TF2 Maps (Actual Size)
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- Опубліковано 4 кві 2018
- Maps, maps, we are the maps. Celebrateanadabada birthday bash. Anyway, this is a half story-time, half Fun Fact video about the size of TF2 maps (or at least the size that actually matters).
Thumbnail SFM by @PyBun
Special Thanks @Pazer
Special Thanks @UEAKCrash
14bit - / mr14bit
Freyja - / freyjadesign
Teamwork.tf - teamwork.tf
Additional SFMs by SquidCubed: steamcommunity.com/id/SquidCubed
Modified version of CastingEssentials: www.dropbox.com/s/i1d183t23fb...
AMENDMENTS:
(04/06/2018) Updated the size of Enclosure from 48.446 to 41.0497. Pazer discovered that the nav flood had extended into an inaccessible area by accident. Still the biggest map, but not by as much as previously thought.
(04/07/2018) The conversion rates from kHu² to real life measurements are incorrect; here is a list of every map, along with their averages in km² (data provided by @the_link_crafte on Twitter): pastebin.com/rwXevdPs - Ігри
Before you ask, yes I'm going to be making a video about the Short Circuit since it was updated last week to be a freakin Mega Man gun. Uploading that video will take some time since I'm waiting on a few possible bug fixes and generally just getting a good feel for how to use it effectively, so thanks for your patience. Hopefully this video holds ya'll over in the meantime. :)
Uncle Dane oh boy. They should increase alt fire damage so it can be viable, or decrease metal cost to 50
nice
Uncle Dane Our Lord and saviour Ankle Dan is back
Uncle Dane YO I AM FIRST
It's my boy *how to basic!*
"I whipped up a satellite earlier to scan the topography of the area, boys. And guess what? There's plenty of room for us to kick their asses all over it!" -The Engineer
*crits frontier justice and runs towards the enemy spawn room
Great reference
That's basicly what the nav_flood system does. Uncle Dane IS The Engineer.
That should be a start of round quote for engineer.
@@jjoohhnn6065 *and dies instantly due to pridefully walking into a pipe grenade or a Scout
This is like something the actual Engineer would do.
k boomer
@@MP-tz2yn pushing it
Uncle Dan is a real life engie man
Misha Petrov go away feetus
@M D Fuck off
A real Engineer Measures his landscape so he knows what to bring.
Yeah bwuh
The bigger the map, the bigger the sentry
@@nickkayfabe6147 and if that dont work, more sentry
Just bring a turret the size of a fucking tank,
No,
*actually just bring a fucking tank.*
"We're playin' Enclosure, boys. Bring the *big* sentry."
pl_Enclosure: is literally called enclosure
Also pl_ENCLOSURE: is the map with the most playable space
ironic
@@Rodrigo-kq3js i think snowfall is bigger
@@japester5927 snowfall's non-christmas version landfall was listed as 15th smallest, with enclosure over double the size, i don't think snowfall would be much bigger than landfall
@@japester5927
enclosure is the biggest
even with twchnically the most space the map is so *B* *A* *D* *.* its worse then 2fort.
"Popular Alternate Gamemodes"
>shows Hydro
ok
Dr. Loveshank I unironacly like hydro
Dr. Loveshank it’s a unique idea, just done kinda poorly
Hydro is one of those maps that I wish was more popular even though I know it's bad
I miss hydro so much
Damn i have hydro flashbacks...
Feels like a Vsauce episode
Not quite. Vsauce would also tell you about how measurement was invented and how to measure a black hole.
Hey! Michael! Vsauce here! *W H E R E A R E Y O U R F I N G E R S?*
Are you kidding? This video stays on topic _and_ is factually accurate. Nothing like a vsauce video.
iLander I also thought his intro felt like vsauce
Hey! Dsauce, Dane here, exactly how large are tf2 maps?
“Kind of a big deal...but how big?”
This transition was smoother than silk lathered in melted butter.
@BradynLee09 he's a bootleg owo
Reminds me of Vsauce
Also the camera pan through the tire swing 👌
4:15 I'm just imagining the situation in which Dane was getting cool shots for this video where he saw the tire and decided "This would look so cool to fly through."
Truly a moment in history.
Man I knew hightower wasn't a big map. Everyone telling me the map is actually huge. *YOU ARE SO TINY!*
I mean highertower is fun but if they had just added like 3 more floors to High tower
highertower is large
@@xhelestinebelerma2271 yknow .... Theres probably a pyro up there waiting to airblast you.... Ive seen it happen to me
@@sethleoric2934 Why only 3 more? Why not fully commit and go with highertower?
@@sethleoric2934, it's either that or a Shortstop Scout. Poor x10 Kunai Spy chased me all the way to the top just for me to shove him off.
Never saw him again.
Very cool info! Glad my dumb idea for how to solve your problem actually turned out to put you on the right path!
UEAKCrash nice
it was a great suggestion! Immediately I thought that he should start checking the nav mesh as well.
It's certainly a lot more elegant than manually measuring areas in Hammer.
"Dumb Idea" It's not a dumb idea. I honestly never thought of using the script commands. I recorded a bot I scripted to run around the maps playable areas barrier recording the amount of steps and space between such steps along with the possibility feet varying space placement.
I created the odd formula of,
(S ÷ 2) × B() = A
The () was implemented incase of foot variance, I could take how ever many variances subtracted from the total S (Steps) and had their own formula and either time up or down depending upon variance. Even then, the bot had true troubles running off of my potatoe of a computer and what was quiet simply, a horrible slapped together script.
The bot also had issues with going off of the cliff as shown, it is a playable area, making it restart it's entire path.
Flooding the map would've been twenty times easier than having a bot run around. Then again, the bot running around did give me a good laugh as the program began to freak out and the head began to appear in his crotch.
Maps maps we are the maps celebrating yet anoda birthday bash
*Engie* , it's your birthday today
Crates and unlocks are on the way
And *Engie* was such a good class this year!
Unlock all your crates while we all cheer
*Michael*
itsyourbirthday.today
FaZe Huebert i dont cheer when i uncrate 2 Antlers in a row.
This aged horribly
@@T-74 no
7:36 in awe at the size of this lad, absolute HAMMER UNIT
This is a pretty cool video. I never considered comparing playable area on a pvp map before. This could be valuable information for designers looking to create new maps.
I wonder if you could check how efficient a map is by getting the average of how many of those navmesh rectangles have been occupied once during several matches. Could be a intresting (albeit hard to calculate) statistic.
We do have something called heatmaps.tf which gives some indication in what parts of the maps get used or not
Remember that nav mesh areas vary in size. You need to factor in the area.
dustbowl hallway most efficient map
What's truly amazing is that people are still putting out incredible TF2 content after all this time. Incredible. Kind of makes me sad I left TF2. Kind of.
Hey I started playing again after putting it down for two years. Feels good. But the community is shit sometimes and people get angry a lot. But yeah, feels goood.
Come back we need good players
Edit. Im really new (since Jungle Inferno) and i would say its still fun but if you dont want i cant tell you
Isaih Bernardo I mean, the community can be shit, but I’ve met several nice players through TF2. And I’ve seen much worse communities then TF2’s community. For example, Rainbow Six Siege has one of the worst communities
I came back a few weeks ago, and it’s worth it. So many memories.
Ryan Smith hahahahah yeah I moved from Siege to TF2 cause of the community.
4:46 I like how the text shows the Uncle Dane logo
At first I thought "Wow, that's kinda egotistical", but after taking a moment...
Yeah, I'd totally do the same thing.
Truly work of an engineer.
Uncle Dane's Stream Archive how about highertower
Uncle Dane's Stream Archive ttttt
@@unknownxheats the language of cakes
Then GET PAST MY SENTERY BOI!!!
Never thought I'd sit through 12 minutes of stating different sizes of TF2 maps, but yet here I am. How do you make these things so entertaining Dane?
Also, that super slow mo music right at the end made me think my pc was crashing while typing this comment. Thanks for the incredibly mild heart attack.
Edit: Wait what the EFF!? There is no super slow mo music right at the end. Was my PC actually crashing? I'm going insane maaan
What? What noise,
Yeah no, turns out I'm actually a crazy person.
it reminds me of the video where 3kliksphilip talks about stairs in CSGO for 5 minutes. worth a watch, since most of it applies to tf2 as well.
ua-cam.com/video/d5B9ytF6gas/v-deo.html
Memes. That's why they are entertaining.
The lag is real
I realize this is a year old but youtube recomendations are weird like that.
how could you not measure the best map cp_orange?
Because it's not an official map.
It's also a bad mal
@@chlaospooks1712 no, it's the best map in the game!
@@darkiusmc979 yùyýý
@@mrwheatthins2413 no it's fucking awful
7:36 best part of the video hands down
Haha y e s
"I don't mean thick like how I'm *_thicc"_* ↴
AIRHORNSSSS
That was actually really interesting. Thanks for all the work that's been going into this!
Captions: Dust Balls Tight-
Me: Dust Balls?
*lenny face*
@@weed84 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Tight?
@@Ataurion ( ͡°ᴥ ͡°)
dustballs tight
7:37 pause and click for the meme. Never need to thank me.
Thank you
What meme? Its just a photo of himself
Get pst my sentry boi
You may not like hearing this but this is the ideal human form
Main uncle the Dane engi
"Other popular maps"
Uncle Dane: *tc_hydro at 37.5 kHu²*
Yah maps like Hydro and Steel have good concepts, they were just poorly executed causing their gamemode to never expand out from the one map.
If the capture times were longer they'd probably be more stalemate-y though.
Burning Elsen True but having games where a scout caps in three seconds while the team looks away for one second isn’t very fun. The problem is that Steamrolling is often too easy on that map.
_9 years in development_
Hydro is pretty popular in Eastern Europe
HEY! _Teamsauce!_ Dane Here.
But where is _Here?_ And, how big is it?
genius
Fucking genius
i know i just watched zipf and i hate the graph now
gimblo yes yessssss yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssssss
is that a furry GET HIM BOYS
Quite fitting that the engi main calculates the map size of each and every map
So I rewatched this video, and thought it was Peterscraps for some reason.
"Oh, hes doing the common 'uncle dane intro' meme, okay." and continued to watch till the very end, "Wow, he is really uhh... Taking the uncle dane meme a few miles, hm? I wonder if they're best friends or somethin."
After finishing the video and checking the uploader, you can bet I felt pretty silly.
But... Peterscraps has an English accent...
@@ren.67 Mhm.
@@Madalovindamn I can't believe you replied to my comment even though yours is from 2019
Moon Truther His point I think was that he assumed Peterscraps got Dane to voice it.
@@baronofbahlingen9662 probably
Since these are the actual sizes of the TF2 Maps, I’m wondering if it’s possible for someone to actually make those TF2 Maps IRL for people to play paintball on like how someone made a real life de_dust for paintball, like a real life 2Fort
I need a TF2 style airsoft/paintball field in my life now!
This guy needs a break from his computer instead of *looking at UA-cam for hours waiting for TF2 video to be uploaded*
update : I've never expected this much likes :))) I luv ya'll whoever liked my comment
That sounds amazing. But what if valve made an amusement park full of tf2 CS:GO and Half Life themed rides and attractions including paint ball and Lazer tag type arenas. I think it would be pretty freakin' popular.
that would take a lot of money
Oil stick! sup dud
Now to wait for someone to actually put junction inside of enclosure 6 and a half times and upload it to the steam workshop. (It's going to be 2bine all over again but much worse)
Junclosure
i read this just as that part of the video came up.
7:37 GET PAST MY SENTRY BOI
"and I love maps" careful Dane, this is 2021 now
ironically enough the map called enclosure is the biggest map of all time
TokyoDrift456 They never specified how big the enclosure was
Re _Turtle it's called enclosure, yet it's the biggest in regards of playable space
TokyoDrift456 I get that but one could even argue that Earth is just a giant enclosure. I don't think anyone is going to start complaining about the planet being small oh wait *looks at India|China*
are you saying THICC is useless space ?
t h e w a v e 1999 only on maps my man. Well...until someone makes some rule 34 of the maps.
@@BlazingShadowSword nobody has yet?
@EnderWolf06 rule 41 time. Let's also make it rule 43
6:30
“Dust balls” in caption
Ah yes
God dang it now I can’t unhear it
Suijin was also captioned as Sweden
11:18
"Get yourself an uncle danger"
"I'm the Uncledanegolab. I love maps." *rapidly smashes like too many times for the system to process*
So YOU'RE why UA-cam wasn't working!
I hate the fact that the globgogabgolab actually makes decent background music
Uncle Globgogabgolab is a very good yeast main
The yeast of *thots*
... ehm, the video's background music was just N-sane Trilogy music.
He's talking about the beginning
Size matters
That's what she said.
that's what waluigi over here was going for
Justice Countryman Don’t be that guy that states the obvious in a joke.
Bronzewarrior thick matters
Your Waluigi pic fits so well with this comment.
It'd be interesting to see which ones are bigger in terms of volume, as different maps have higher skyboxes
such a good idea!
I also think that you should've talked about Hydro for a bit longer. You know, the 3rd largest map apparently.
You're beautiful 😊
@@SusDoctor what
@@PrGibus I think they like you
@@SauceCake0 i mean yeah
Fun, overlooked statistics like this are why i love channels like Uncle Dane and LimitBreakers and Booundary Break. It's cool to take a peek at why games are the way they are.
Uses "smol" for the small maps but not "thicc" for large ones.
Everybody type in chat Dane is a stupid Demo main.
Thicc for big hallways, chonky for huge open areas
Dane is a stupid Demo main.
Demo is a stupid Dane main
aNkLe dEaNe iS a VurY dUm dEmOo MaNe
Dane is an engi main
Beautiful game when you take the time to appreciate its level design. Every little tuft of grass is cleverly placed.
I do enjoy cutting edge games that want to melt my PC from time to time but most of these don't stand the test of time. TF2 has this timeless quality to it like a Nintendo title.
But its just a theory, A DANEE THEORYY
DimasGA
A HOWTOBASIC THEORY*
But Uncle Gaaamee...
Thats not a theory thats a fucking fact you dumbass
@@lilbigmichael9528
Do you think anything relating to game theory would be smart?
@@lilbigmichael9528 WOOOOSH
No one COMPLIMENT THE THUMBNAIL OMG!!!!
_btw nice thumbnail dane_
Dlol Face Ronia Rodriguez is a good artist
Dlol Face Mr.Worldwide
Dlol Face thanks fam
The thumbnail has black hands
Mr. Map Size
0:31 *Vsuace music starts playing*
I was having a really hard time sleeping, but listening you nag on about hammer units really helped!
I think you've done a pretty cool thing for the TF2 Commun with this. Good job Uncle.
That was pretty cool actually.
T H I C C Maps
Thundermountain and Enclosure are "super sized"
The video was very interesting, however I was most excited when I realised you used music from Neurovoider at the beginning 😊
I don't play tf2 but seeing how passionate you are about this game is really cool. keep doing you bud :)
Looks like somebody had a bit too much spare time ;)
Archimo your gay
no u
Archimo top ten comebacks of all time
nahhh a top 10 comeback would look more like this
or well at least if you read it the correct way ;)
u gotta look at the first letter on each of these lines.
Archimo you are doing it all wrong, it's nobellium uranium.
That Globgogabgalab reference was simply delicious.
you're a wizard, harry
you're a lizard, harry
you're a blizzard, harry
*you're delicious, harry*
I really like your honesty, when you say things like:
"what I would call their 'actual sizes'" (1:45) and
"it would still be bigger than dustbowl _in_ _terms_ _of_ _playable_ _surface_ _area_ " (9:17)
There's so much sloppiness with definitions, and some people even use it for deception. Liked and subscribed!
Also, how about this measure: The minimum number of characters (or cameras) you would need to place for every playable-area-pixel to be in line-of-sight of at least one of them.
E.g. for a square map with an empty single room building in the middle, you would need three: Two at opposing corners of the house, and one inside. This could to some extent solve the problem of big open useless spaces making a map bigger.
A computationally heavy brute force way of doing it would be to put stationary enemies everywhere, and see how many sentries you would need to put down to hit all of them. Where enemies everywhere would mean, say, one per square Hu, on a uniform grid. Obviously there must be a better way of doing it that doesn't use the game but works with the map files directly, I just wanted to be constructive.
So, Junction isn't the smallest map, but rather DeGroot Keep. Gotcha.
He did put it at the end, also he only counted the core gamemodes whick DeGroot Keep isn't.
@@vladimirmureseanu1477 it's sad that probed and 2fort_invasion are not in their respective gamemodes
Well, they are miscellaneous maps
@@notfunnydidntlaugh68 Well yeah but they are literally just koth and ctf maps respectively
@@heywaitasecond46 you can just select them separately in matchmaking by choosing specific maps. Personally, my saved settings only include DeGroot Keep, because - let's be honest - it's basically its own gamemode, albeit with only one map, sadly.
But... but Uncle Dane, what about MvM?;-;
Ever since Valve left MvM to die, it has become a forgotten gamemode played only by those who remember.
And all the F2Ps who like to shoot robots of course.
But i dont get it, its one of tf2s most profitable things
Sgt Crwhips Eh not too sure about that as the mainly profitable thing about MvM is the tickets and since people need a lot of them to get what they want (a chance at an Australium) the people who would usually be buying these things are the Whales and they are almost guaranteed to buy things. Plus the money from people buying keys and taunts from the creates from updates is more than enough money for the work valve does compared if they attempt to work on the massive under taking of MvM.
Yes, that is true, but its one of the most played gamemodes, and they showed some intesrest in it, as the Titanium Tank Tour presented
Sgt Crwhips Not too sure about that either, I mean sure there are plenty of servers where a bunch of F2Ps are running around but the Mann up servers are usually empty or have long queue times. When valve gave up on it, everyone else seems to have as well, except those still dedicated making community events of course but those are the minority.
Y'know what I want? Ratmaps. I want CS 1.6 Ratmaps, converted to TF2.
I think there are servers with ratmaps but I'm not sure .....hmmmm
Make one yourself and see how it goes
You mean like maps that are supersized rooms? That sounds cool, but I think it would be kinda diverging from the TF2 style.
N Horvath And huge rooms fit into Counter-Strike's style?
N Horvath why not? Engi's or Medic's experiment, Hale's Merc Park 2.0, Merasmus shrinking everyone - TF2 can find a canon excuse for everything
Now we need to know how much playable space is in Highertower.
*He solved a practical problem*
Hey Uncle Dane when are you gonna measure the Engineer's size like Matpat did with Luigi?
His stuff used to be invincible.
Pokémaniac Guquiz Actually the reason he couldn’t take damage in his crotch region is because the Engineer has balls of steel that reflect all pathetic bullets.
Who said it was only his balls?
Pyro is Ness.
Pokémaniac Guquiz I mean the Engineer is known for being good at erecting things.
I love when TF2bers actually put work into their videos, instead of just talking over game-footage. Keep it up! You're almost as cool as my actual uncle. And he's probably the coolest guy I know.
Size doesn't matter.
It's about playability
size is part of playability bruv
Thats what she said
Dr.Pootis The Engineer Main exactly
@Brodie Ainsworth yeah, by 10 months lol
Your vids made me return to TF2 after at least 3 years, good stuff man
But why?
late time april fools?
it's cool my dude
Just knowing how big maps are in reality compared to how big they feel to us reveals all the tricks people do to make small maps feel much bigger, it can also show how much effort is put into maps (especially Enclosure where the final stage feels like it is barely played)
ironredpizza why not?
"Science isn't about why, it's about why not!" - Cave Johnson, CEO of Aperture Science
Dude, this is ... an amazingly interesting video. The way you laid out the methodology in the beginning as well was super professional and intriguing. Will be looking for more of this kind of stuff man.
lovin how you started to shake up the intros
This video has haunted my recommended for 2 years and I’m giving in
It's nice to see a creative , well thought out and hard worked video made with the help of friends , you deserve every subs ankle dave :D
RATS RATS WE ARE THE RATS CELEBRATE ANATHA ONE A BIRTHDAY BASH -m i c h a e l- Uncle Dane ITS YOUR BIRTHDAY TODAY CAKE AND ICE CREAM IS ON YOUR WAY
Is that a jerma refrence
I don't know why, but the fact that you let globgogabalab keep being the background music after the joke ended was really funny.
Coming back to this, I think another useful statistic to measure would’ve been distance between objective points, including spawn rooms.
You’ve heard of Uncle Dane
Now get ready for Daddy Daniel
{A Jeff In Time} Yes
damn daniel
*Yes daddy*
Uncle Dane is confirmed to be T H I C C.
I needed this for my homework. Thanks ankle dan!
This is such a cool video dude no joke
If Uncle Dane uploads a video it's gonna be great no matter what the video is about 💝
trying to get a heart?
Clearly.
Getting hearts doesn't give you anything...it's just a sign from the owner of the channel to show he saw your comment
qrabbit_ spongebob smoking weed review
qrabbit_ Bad mindset. He can have bad videos. A good quality video average =\= every video to ever be uploaded is good.
Uncle dane the HowToBasic main
DeD MajoR *vsauce
*game theorists (particularly austin)
4:47 Ankle Dan is a very gud console man
pretty good job my man, seems like u have a lot of free time:DD
I'm the beep boop engineer
The bam bam bib bob pow
I'm full of shiny metal guns, that blow people toughts and mind...
thats a proper introduction right there
Always love to return to this video everyone once in a while
Keep up the great work ankle dan
2000iq required to watch
nah man you need infinite IQ for this rick and morty fans got nothing on Dane
Don't worry... I watch Rick and Morty... I have a IQ of 1983261087619856
Not sure if I should laugh at the overused joke or be worried
9,000iq
God the way you structured this video was honestly superb. It was like a legit educational video
Uncle Dane can make something as bland as the size of a video game map extremely interesting and fun to watch
Great video, fantastic pacing, it feels weird to compliment the pacing of a technical video, but it held the video together nicely.
It's been three months, and only now did I get the _Strawinsky and the Mysterious Maps_ reference at the beginning.
*THE STARS HAVE ALLIGNED*
Turtleitious *A L L T H E S T A R S A R E C L O S E R*
I mean, I always knew that the older maps were generally smaller, but even though I dislike and even hate some of those maps, you have to appreciate all the tricks they do to make these small maps feel much bigger and allow for longer games (even though it is chokepoint hell sometimes)
Dude, the Crash Bandicoot music made me smile. Thank you for that.
im glad there is people like you in the world
A lot of the larger maps (aside from Enclosure) are large not only because of the sheer scale of them, but also because of the multiple levels and "dead" areas inside them, like the area by Spawn on Lazarus and Mercenary Park. The chances of an actual fight going down in those areas is ridiculously small, and people often opt to just set up by the first mercenary park point rather than closer to blu spawn. Honestly, while they're aesthetically beautiful, they're just plain useless and could be completely removed in favor of a longer respawn time.
Now the question is: how big are mvm maps?
I'm gonna fall asleep while listening to this, see y'all in the mornin'.
Sorry I slept for so long, I'm awake now.
@@probablyafemboy4668 how long did you sleep?
@@6starnutty970 forgot to come back here after waking up
@@probablyafemboy4668 ah it happens haha! What'd you dream of? (If you can still remember it..)
@@6starnutty970 Something rather personal. I'd rather not talk about it.
Honestly that’s the best thumbnail I’ve ever seen.
3:07 *feels good :p*
Oh wow another how2basic video
Justin D I AM HOW TO BASIIIIIIIC
I saw you worked with Mumkey Jones and I have a newfound respect for you
one of my favorite videos on youtube