Return today with an overview the Hive Cities of the Imperium - from here we will be able to look more closely at specific details and elements of Hive Cities and those who live within them, including specific gangs activities and so on. As per usual this was meant to be a 30 min video lol - but things often spiral out of control. Thanks for the support as always guys - there will be more coming up very soon - I also apologise for any vocal inconsistency, my voice is still not 100% healed and recording is sometimes just tough.
I wonder how Pandemics impact Hive Cities. Perhaps some Governors have an idea of controlled Pandemics to stop their homeworlds from turning into polluted Hive Worlds. Historically Black Death has interesting implications: www.anderson.ucla.edu/faculty_pages/nico.v/Research/Horsemen_REStud.pdf
I've looking for an in depth video on hive cities. Surprisingly there really aren't many. There is one that I know of that's only about 40 minutes long and isn't in too much depth.
It is good that he prefaced that part of environmental conditions with the need to suspend disbelief. But it is hard to suspend disbelief, believe me. When one has mastered controlled nuclear fusion power and one had antimatter power, one can have an Earth sized planet with a trillion people with a lower carbon footprint than presently exists on Earth. Nuclear fusion power is 12 million times more efficient than natural gas and antimatter is 200 times more efficient than nuclear fusion power. Nuclear fusion power comes from hydrogen which can be obtained via electrolysis of water. Hydrogen is the most abundant element in existence. Nuclear fusion and antimatter power means no greenhouse gas and very few pollutant emissions from such power stations, and it also means no secondary emissions from land vehicles because electric vehicles and hydrogen vehicles will be powered from non fossil fuel sources. With regards to wastes being produced by factories, all wastes can be sequestered, dissociated, recombined, and reused, instead of just spewed into the atmophere or spilled into the environment. Ashen wastes can be utilized to produce graphene, Bucky balls, and carbon nanotubes. What cannot be reused or if it not wanted to be reused can be launched into space and then dumped into the nearest star. The Imperium is not lacking in technologies for space launch and spaceflight and has lots and lots and lots and lots of spacecraft. The explanation that the rulers and power elites of the worlds do not care a hoot about their planets and environments does not cut it either. Given that they possess the technology to make environment much much more pleasant than what prevails in the narrative, even if they mistreat the people that they govern, they would actually like to be able to readily visit pleasant places and surroundings regularly and cheaply. On Hive Worlds those would be placed not occupied by Hive Cities, and even Hive Worlds mostly have far more space not occupied by Hive Cities or any settlements at all than they do. With the technologies at their disposal, they'd be able to ensure that such spaces are ecologically well kept, being mostly verdant and having streams, lakes, and other bodies of water with little pollution. The toxic ecological wasteland narrative of Hive Worlds is ridiculous given the very advanced technological capability of the Imperium and also the logical desire of rulers and elites to be able to easily access and have much in pleasant surroundings on their worlds, even if they do not care much for those that they govern ...
@@musafawundu6718 It's not so much that the elites of a world give a crap about the general citizen, it's more that as a matter of policy, Humanity has little more than a most basic understanding of the technology it runs on - and I'm talking about the guys who're supposed to be maintaining it, the Mechanicum. The average citizen would see their work as a place of magic. All you'd need in a situation like that are small failures gradually snowballing over time to produce toxic leaks and with less inefficient technologies replacing the failing archeotech the toxicity gets built into the system
"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair"…its was the grim dark past of 1.8k
There's something very disconcerting about listening to Luton set the scene for a video about grim dark future with what you assume is a quote from 40k, only for it to be from our relatively recent past. And a description from a contemporary of those events.
@@somethinglikethat2176 totally agree, while listening to the quote i was thinking “yeah that sounds like a hive city” then BAM its Dickens and i felt a little disturbed by that....
Man, the concept of lost colonies is maybe the most intriguing thing about the 40k galaxy for me. There could be entire human civilizations out there that have never even heard of the Emperor, Tau, Tyranids and everything else.
Pffttt... Come live here, this place is a Literal Hive City, we can Swap places. but that is human, to say your condition is worse than others help you endure somehow, never helped me to say that, so dunno just try to enjoy what you can or fall into Lunacy and Madness like me and Hear the Voices of the God of Blood and Slaughter. Soon... Soon when Civil War Erupts here i Shall Revere and Worship my Lord as it fit, with Rivers of Blood running red the Streets and Skulls for his Magnificent Throne...
The Charles dickens quote is kinda eerie when you realize it was written to describe an actual time in human history albeit in a much smaller scale than the hives of 40k but it still fits perfectly
It still describes the actual time. Just take a look at a Chinese/Pakistani sweatshop. People will live under these conditions untill we are able to fully automatize the workforce... That's why in the Imperium there are no robots or highly developed AI, if there were any, this type of horrible conditions for workers wouldn't exist, and humans wouldn't die by the billions during battles with xenos and chaos. But you know, if the Imperium uses robots it wouldn't be 40 k.
@@pedrosalvador1146 If they did use robots extensively, it would still be horrible, as the Imperium is beset on all sides by threats to their existence, more likely, the freed up manpower for factory work will be sent to the meat grinder of battle.
Isn't the entire point of 40k sociopolitical commentary taking real life problems and ramping it up to its logical critical mass if given 38000 years to inflate the numbers
Hive citizen WQ989, Role: Designated Tech priest of engine block component number 143/155 manufacturing plant 3/4, positive thumb given, video was good and a productive expenditure of time gifted to me by both manufacturing plant's many kind spirits, positive comment given, critique: no praise given to the machine spirits of the hive cities that allow life. Praise be the emperor who allows a fraction of his holy knowledge refuge within me, forever indebted I am honored to be.
Luetin: Near 2 hours of Hive City expose. Me: Whoa that will be the most in-depth video for Hive Cities. Luetin: We are not going in-depth for now - this is just the first video of many. Me: 😵
@@Volvith Yes and Not. Yes, because 2 years (both deep into 40k and subscribed to Luetin) is not a lot (compared to some veteran fans). And Not because 2 years deep into the 40k lore and subscribed to Luetin is not making me exactly... New. The thing is I am still amazed by the Luetin's depth. It's unique.
@@thissmithymanga7119 Yeah I know exactly what you mean. I feel both adept and new at the same time. But yeah, 40k is immensely vast AND deep. It's crazy.
In Armageddon, a family of four living in a 200sq feet apartment is appalling, meanwhile in Hong Kong, families of four living in 150sq feet is the norm.
it actually started mercantilism (which in turn created the middle class) So I would beg to differ. Plus, It made people more educated/skilled, despite the early industrial revolution being rough, it got better once the British govt churned out workers rights. (of which now all the world (nearly)now use.) This is why I laugh when people go "but if we leave the EU we have no WoRkeRz RiGhtZ"... when we created it LOL
The rich and beautiful irony of someone believing the British government "churned out human rights" while watching a video that starts with a quote from Dickens, a man who was instrumental in highlighting the plight of British industrial workers, particularly children, precisely because the British government weren't doing anything about it and had to be forced into action by popular protest. Lol.
That emoji makes you look like you’d look at some sort of torture chamber and smile warmly and think to yourself, “ah, it brings me such joy to know how much pain they’re in! Ó_-“
I figure a lot of Hive cities were built/designed in the Golden age, but they were built with idea of resources the Imperium no longer has. Stuff like robotic slave labor which could work in such horrible conditions 24/7 without fatigue, illness or death. They wouldn't need to be fed, housed or anything. I wouldn't be surprised if before the fall hive worlds would only hold a fraction of the population they do now as they would need far less man power as they relied more heavily on machines to do the work for them. More the populations would be in the upper hive levels in what now is taken up by the nobility would likely be the scientist and explorers of ages past. With a smaller population it would have less demands and possibly be able to meet it's own requirements. After all if you think of a Hive that now supports Billions or Trillions of people might of only housed a few million in the past you can imagine the difference that makes.
@@npgabriel Sounds cool =) Depending on the setting you could easily replace technology with magic. A society that used to use golems for all their labor, but as the knowledge to make golems is forgotten the city spirals into decay.
@Lord Admiral Spire I haven't played it in years but there was a series called Rifts made by a group called Palladium. Mass cross over series compatible with every game type that company made. It was a table top RPG much like Dnd but it had high tech robots and power armor, lasers, rail guns etc on one side. Then fantasy elements like magic, dragon, Vampires etc on the other. Whole concept of the game is a massive diasaster broke out and killed off like half the population of the world. All that psychic energy flooded the planets lay lines and caused magic to go out of control and open "Rifts" to other dimensions. From those rifts crawled out super natural horrors which killed more people, flooded more magic into the system and became a self sustaining issue. If 40k could ever cross over perfectly with any RPG I always thought it would be that game.
@@georgerafa5041 Depends, numbers up for debate and not all hives are equal. But consider they are meant to be more or less a single city, not a world. If you consider the upper spires where Nobel's live were perhaps the only area's designed to hold human life (and thus held to a much higher standard) it would make sense. That is the main thing about a balanced eco system, lower population density than you'd expect. There is a reason small town living was sustainable for hundreds of years and more modern mega cities destroy every thing around them.
Agriworlds dont get enough credit they do honest work to provide plenty of food for the rest of the imperium id like to know more about these worlds they seem much more interesting than industrial hellscapes or boring warzones they give some welcome variety to this grimdark future.
40k Hive cities. In the future you'll see the sign back on holy terra outside a town that somehow survived from our time..."Welcome to Flint Michigan where atleast we're not a hive".
In M41, the entire state of Michigan had its lake destroyed millennia ago, and now it's just one huge crumbling, former manufactorum after all the menial jobs were outsourced to Segmentum Obscuris
Mega city one has more unemployment though whether unemployment is better than eternal service to a manufactorum with bad working conditions is your choice.
@@thebestdad9816 much prefer dealing with block wars and recycled food, than the possibility of having warp monsters or tryanids descending on my planet.
@@thebestdad9816 I mean Mega City One is better it's not even a contest. Being bored and having to subsist on soylent green in an overcrowded building might be bad by modern sensiblities but it seems like hive "citizens" have more in common with a slave labourer in a death-camp.
When it comes to sleeper ships you've also got "leap frog theory" in play. Basically it's perfectly possible for a sub-light colony ship to arrive somewhere that's already been colonised by the same species because they developed FTL travel during the voyage. So it's perfectly possible (and given the setting likely) that there are multiple, complete, STC equiped colony ships drifting around the Imperium but nobody notices because they're in the interstellar void where no warp drive equiped ship would go. I don't think you'd ever see it in a mainline 40k story though but it'd make an interesting "What does the Imperium look like to golden age humans?" thing as they studied WTF had happened to their target world, their species and so on. Kind of like the "Warhammer: Crime" stuff but for turbo lore nerds like us lot.
Late comment, but wasn't golden age humanity already using warp travel? The sublight starships were, iirc, sent out in in M18 to M22 and by then, warp travel took over. Still, an interesting concept.
@@rishidronadula7260 They were. Pre Eye of Terror the warp was a fairly calm place, so warp travel was far more common and far more regular. No Navigators were needed.
And millions of them burn every day. Imagine the trillions of story that could all be set within a hive, only for an unstoppable horde of xenos or Chaos to sweep over and bring every subplot to a bloody, meaningless end. This, is life in 40k.
Yeah, i thought that i could catch up to speed during the quarantine (i hadn't delved much into 40k lore before) but now i realize that you could base a whole academic department from bachelors to doctors degrees on 40k lore.
Yeah. There’s brutal, then there’s ‘starved several million people to death while exporting grain because my plans are perfect, no-one’s actually going to care’ brutal. Still, the Man of Steel was a valuable tool in the greatest bitch-slap of human history.
@@cilliancallaghan9788 Off the top of my head, I can't really see Stalin deciding to make himself younger by grinding up babies into rejuvinant fluid if he had the ability to. Those babies would have more value to him as future workers. Hitler, on the other hand, did have people manufacturing soap with corpses, including babies, that's probably where 40k got the idea from. The Imperium mixes and matches so that the most horrific things in human history all are happening at once all the time for thousands of years. I think they'd win any brutality contest by sheer virtue of there being some low the Imperium is fine with that any specific person or nation in reality would go to war over.
@@lkvideos7181 around 10% of workers in Britain around the late 1800's and very early 1900's payed a full board/ rent rate for a "place" on a taught line of string to sleep on, in a warehouse with a few hundred men sleeping on the same or adjacent lines of string. The exposure to pollutants would have likely been worse or the same for the British workers than many in Hive cities. The WH40K world is merely a mirror of our own world, very little can be fully newly imagined when our own reality contains such grotesque treatment of very real humans.
@@RoryJordaan That still is paradise in comparison to the horrendous living conditions of 99% of humans in 40k, tbh. 40k is satire, and ultimately takes real life horrors and cranks them all hundreds of times over. The "grinding of humanity under the wheel of industry" is taken very literally with people being turned into food once they die; for example.
I heard that phrase was first uttered in M38 by a powerful unregulated psyker named Ken Binobi while speaking to his young apprentice Duke Skystrider on some desert world on the far rim.
A week ago I had vaguely heard of Warhammer 40K. I made a conscious decision to figure out what this thing was, and after dumping more than a few hours into watching videos over the last week, I find it quite fascinating. I am sort of dumbfounded how I didn't learn of it earlier. But...most of those hours went to this channel. And as I said it was more than a few. So, after getting a solid sample of your work, all I can say is "well done Luetin09, well done".
I started watching these in much the same way. Have you practically finished them all at this point as well? Now I just have to wait for the new ones or go back and rewatch.
‘My ordinary life in a hive city’ is what I imagine the most depressing slice of life manga would be called “0947-Kun want half of this corpse starch?” “0978-Chan lets get off this world and join the guard, anything is better than this”
@@roguepsykerhaaker4813 Of course we can! It'll have to be short because they may die from the poisonous gas if they stay too long. So it might be like an ova
I tryed listening to audiobooks from a free audible access... i couldnt really stand the animated voice of the narrator, it was just too tryhard. This is perfect for me..
I would play the heck out of that. Aside from the awesome physical building mechanics, imagine all the cool political stuff you could do, like having your Arbites root out genestealer cults or trying to satisfy the inquisition so you don't get half your population executed.
I'd say even predictions in the trillions are still pretty low considering hive cities can be continent sizes with a population density that makes Manhattan Island look like the Australian outback. 5-6 such cities surrounded by tower farms that compress thousands of acres of arable land into just a few meters of ground. Those and other similar implied technologies in the imperium make mind breakingly huge populations not only viable but inevitable.
At least on Necromunda, the hive city isn't as huge as a continent. They have a lot of surface because they pile on high, not because they spread out. Between the hives of Necromunda is the dust wastes where millennia of industrial pollution has choked out almost everything. Only trains between the hives and a villages surviving on scraps and salvage are out there.
For a moment I thought the Luetin Necropolis returned :( Im really looking forward to the next episodes of it. Alas im sure this will be a real cool video too ;)
To be honest, I like when a sci-fi universe creates content a good amount of content based around this sort of subject. As much as I like learning about heroes and battles, I like to dive deep into what there is to learn about the cities in a sci-fi universe. It's why I love Coruscant in Star Wars.
Which SciFi Universe are we actually going to wind up in: Star Trek: rofl, hell no, we can't afford that kinda stuff. Star Wars: If we are lucky, sounds a lot like a golden age. 40K: ....Let's be real honest with ourselves, here...
@@attemptedunkindness3632 To be honest if humanity does´t change dramatically we will wipe ourselfs out before we are even near some of any of this SciFi scenarios.
There are hydroponics in use in 40k, But that involves technology, tech priests, oil, incense and chanting. U can easily just stand land and lights in a tower and throw unlimited manpower at it.
In the grim dark tubes of the interwebway, some youtubers release vids in 10 min installations for revenue. Luetin09 just goes full Angron and bashes your skull with condensing all vlumes into one upload.
As a country boy that grew up in a mountainous town with less than a million inhabitants I am terrified and baffled by the life on the big cities, the pollution, the traffic, the crime rates, the never ending cacophony and blinding neon lights, life in a hive sounds horrible to me, drop me in a neolithic level death world to fend for myself against the forces of nature any day but never leave me in a poorly lit alley on an under hive, I know very well where I have the higher chances of survival, mother nature is not as scary as human nature.
Crime is not that bad, as long as you know what areas to stay in, hell some rural areas have worse crime rates than cities and the worst crime rates in the states is not actually in the mega cities (LA and NYC) but in the medium sized rust belt cities. Now I know cities are not for everyone and that is all good, but they are not horrible places to live as long as it's not flint or Detroit lol. Anyways the a million inhabitants would be a large city, did you mean less than a thousand people?
@@duitk Plus, if you have the cash to support yourself, and your family. With a pretty good job, you can get a pretty good life living in the city. Plus, the convinience of living here is really great.
I don't live in a actual City (i technically do but this city was created by merging three towns that touched each other) but there is two cities close to me one is ok in the other one you just need to avoid certain places but luckily no neon lights everywhere
As a country boy who grew up in a regional agriculture town in the mid west of Western Australia with less than 1000 people who lived in Sydney then returned to the country town it was good to be able to disappear amongst the crowds without anyone knowing your who you are, who you are talking to and getting a root pretty easily
Your rendition of Dicken's is fanastic and I was sure it was a 40k quote from somewhere, but no it's our own history. It was excellent subvervsion and really humanizes 40k, which is also something you are amazing at. As someone who has listened to you for hours please never stop, you have a beautiful mind
Probably lower than one would think. Because people lives there from the start. The horrendous lifestyle would tend to kill the weaker so early they wouldn't have have time to contemplate suicide.
If we take the Charles Dickens quote as a guide then we could use 19th Britain as a reference. It starts at roughly double that of today (in 1863) and rises as easier methods for doing so become more available (to about 3 times today's average in 1905) and drops during both world wars with a large rise during the great depression. academic.oup.com/ije/article/39/6/1464/736597
@@geofff.3343 There are no high suicide rates because for one, people in 40k simply don't know any other lifestyle as they are born into it, and grow up with the heavily indoctrinated perception that their entire purpose in life is to do service to the Emperor for there is no higher calling, and secondly even if someone developed delusions of a better lifestyle and contemplated suicide ( which again, is highly unlikely ), not just himself, but his entire family and generations down the line would face severe punishment for even the thought of wasting imperial resources. In the worst case, the immediate perpetrators would be turned into mindless servitors.
I’m only 11 and when I played D&D, people told me to play Warhammer: 40k. I started searching up the lore and found you, Leutin09. You helped me learn about The Imperium and their enemies, from the Orks to the Tyranids. Now, I’m waist deep in the lore of the 41st Millennium and I love it. So I thank you, and I think you deserve a Seal of Purity and I give you my gratitude. Now, Purge the filth from this sacred land, brothers. FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
@@retributorminis2424 It's odd that people would tell you to play 40k from D&D. They're completely different games. Playing and RPG won't prepare you for a wargame.
ParallaxNick Ah yes, I understand that. I believe that whoever told me might’ve not known much about 40k, and it also might’ve been correlated to me trying to find out the darkest parts about Star Wars, so it might possibly have either been related to that, or D&D.
The idea at the beginning of patrols through an abandoned hive sounds great. Small pockets of squatters ignoring the decree to live of the scraps left behind, a local ork infestation settled in the former corpse starch factory, warp apparitions as echo from the event that caused the fall of said hive ...
A thing to remember is that there are about 20k hive planets in a empire who at the minimum is a million worlds. Yet, despite this they are the most important worlds for the Imperium due solely to population and industrial might needed to help keep the stalemate aganist Orks, chaos Force invasions, tyranids and the occasional minor Xenos incursions. The fall of a Hive World can easily spell doom for a whole sector.
It’s never really talked about in the lore about the “middle class” of a hive city. I mean, there have to be people other than the basic factory workers and the decadent nobility.
I want a tale about a small business owner in a hive-city, attending to tired workers day after day, hearing about local people that have just been deployed to the frontlines just to know that they won’t never be seen again... One day an invasion comes to his planet, but he manages to survive and the Empire retake control. We then could have the first hand look of the aftermath of a victory - How is the rebuilding, how do people deal with the countless dead, etc. It would be an interesting point of view to this universe outside of a space marine on frontlines or an inquisitor unveiling demonic conspiracies... People like that Imperial Guards precisely because there’s a charm to a regular person charging against the larger than life cosmic horrors. What would be more relatable than a civilian outlook at it? Someone who cannot act, just react to it. I think there’s potential for a short story about it.
@@lordblazer I like populating the hive with factions. You can decide how often regular folks actually see a full tech-priest. Sometimes there's tech-guilds who preserve their little parts about the greater whole, like how to keep a certain water plant running or a tram system going with the tech-priests mostly moving in the background dealing with advanced things like the power system.
Considering that any functional Dystopian Society needs to eliminate the Middle Class of order to survive, I highly doubt a Middle Class exists in Warhammer 40k. Middle Class people represent the most likely possibility of change, and that needs to be stamped out if you wanna run a dictatorship. That's why Tyrant States are always poor.
Actually a lot of the economic problems with distance for the Imperium are actually totally solvable via means that are utilized today. Farmers essentially sell their crops months ahead of time, with prices indicated by tradable futures indices.
This is why I generally don’t like fantasy anymore. Authors generally don’t craft realistic worlds. Everyday life, trade and governance are missing so many basic details. Being able to poke holes in a world simply by asking the question, “How does this work?” completely breaks my immersion.
Your description of currency that was effectively only spendable within the workers' local area was close to a system still present in industrial factory towns in the UK in the 20th century - where towns had 1 major employer who controlled all of the shops and was the landlord.
i’m impressed every time without fail by Luetins videos. the amount of information and pictures/artwork gathered for the actual video is amazing. The amount of work put into each video is amazing. And i’ll be watching and liking every one of them because with 40k, every answer i get has me asking two more questions
I don’t know if I am alone in this, but I have tremendous struggles getting to sleep, but these videos really help. They give my mind something else to focus on and your voice just has such a calming effect, no matter what the topic of the video is. So thank you for helping me sleep, and filling my dreams with sweet holy emperor stuff.
in 40k its just as likely by the time that cargo gets there the buyers have been either eaten by tyranids, flayed by dark eldari, murderboned by slanesh, or sacrificed by any number of chaos cults. its very hard to plan around these trade disruptions
This guy is so committed to this game. It’s quite impressive. Calling it a game at this point is a disservice, Luetin makes it a way of life! Keep up the good work bro.
I didn't know anything about Warhammer except the name. Then a couple of weeks ago I watched Astartes and I have watching these videos ever since after work. They have become my bedtime stories.
Kind of funny how the 40k universe gets so many things right, scientifically speaking (such as the scale of things) but other extremely basic things just utterly wrong and inconsistent within their own universe. Oxygen in a Hive city should be solved the exact same way it's solved on every ship/life support system anywhere else, you just synthetically separate carbon dioxide into carbon and oxygen. This is done much more efficiently by machines than by trees, even today. Difference today is simply cost, a tree costs almost nothing while a machine performing the same task costs quite a lot. If you have what amounts to forced labour and a shiiiiit ton of people it's a no-brainer to just build some "oxygenators" to support your world. From a military standpoint anything else would be pure lunacy, willingly opening your world up to medieval siege tactics of starving your world when you can with minimal effort be self sufficient.
Electrolosys of CO2 is one way. Heating up CO2 until it breaks appart is another. Bottom line is that trees are extremely inefficient, less than 1% if I remember correctly. Trees are not ”designed” specifically to convert CO2 into oxygen and carbon, they are ”designed” to survive and reproduce, tasks infintely more complex than simply converting CO2 to O2, hence they use most of their energy for that task, surviving.
Inquisitor Fart Lord Might be true, sounds a bit distorted though, it might be that they are more efficient than trees and produce more oxygen per kg or something like that. Overall Algae produces the most oxygen but I do not know if they are more efficient than trees or if there’s just so much more algae than trees/plants.
This and the idea of living in squalor. Less than 100 million people are truly productive today. Now imagine a planet where EVERYONE is productive. They're not going to be in poverty, it's inevitable
I’ve heard from multiple sources, one of them being one of the creators of the game, that hive worlds contain around 4 quadrillion people. I even saw a mathematical breakdown on it, and factoring in how deep the layers of the city go, it all checks out. Horrific.
13:00 I know In the Macharius Crusade novels whenever the 3 main character guardsmen mention a few times about their "meagre salaries" so there is some sort of currency. I believe it only really applies to the lowest level of people. I think Nobility works for land, favors, assets. Space Marines/Sororitas/Assassins fight for honor. Inquisition doesn't need pay because they can take anything in the name of the Emperor.
Like a lot of stuff, it varies. Planetary governments are free to run their economy as well. They can issue local currency or allow guilds and houses to issue their own private scrip. Places can run like planned economies where you're issued basic food prepacks and a pair of shoes every few years.
The only currency is souls. You only own your life? That's worth enough to survive another day, if you put it to work. You are a noble in charge of thousands, millions or billions of souls? You're a bit richer. You are a Space Marine/Sororitas? Your soul in particular is worth a lot to the Imperium, so you're better off than most, just be a good soldier and don't ask for stuff because we would have to give it to you because you deserve it. If you're an Inquisitor the life of whoever is in front of you is in your hands, so you're as wealthy as you need to be. We trade in human lives on the Imperium
Only videos that genuinely have me excited. I literally get ready to watch your videos , I man roll a smoke grab some munch and relax. You have genuinely really helped me to take my mind off shit during these crazy times and for that I genuinely thank you man keep up the amazing work.
Man, this REALLY reminds me of the belters from the expanse. I can really imagine how the lower levels of the hive and the underhive fit perfectly in a place like ceres. Thinking about the culture, and some lone dude scheming a way to make do within his surroundings is such a cool concept
The edifice is all that remains of humanity's era of progress and even that has been defaced. More than a grim description of how humans live their lives, more than whatever remains of worlds and giant mechs, this really hit home the sheer tragedy of the fall of humanity in this setting.
Luetin09: "you cannot simply cover it in one singular piece or well i could but it would just probably be six hours long". you know damn well most of your viewers would watch that XD.
Just another truly sensational upload. Whenever I see a notification from you I make sure I can watch it uninterrupted so I can enjoy it properly and I'm never disappointed. I'm looking forward to your next offering especially. Going into the gangs and those dark, dirty bits of the 40K lore that's not really explored is what drew me to the hobby in the first place. In a universe of trillions the improbable exists in all its horror.
"I am not a number! I am a free man!"- Planetary Guard trooper. "That's nice trooper 6,346,597,823,354". " Now run along and flank that Ork raiding party."- Unnamed Commissar
I've been meaning to leave this comment on one of your videos for a while now: You are, by far, my favourite youtube channel. Your presentation style, the amount of research, and your passion for the subject make the videos not only informative but also entertaining. So many 40K lore channels are not only hyperbolic but also suffer from, let's be honest, boring presentation, much of that due to the voice of the presenter. You have a very pleasant voice, which helps a lot, but your writing is also excellent. I've been playing 40K since the 80s (Yes, I'm old), but I still learn a lot from your channel. This was a particularly good, partly because I have finally picked up my own copy of Necromunda and am currently educating myself on Hives, for obvious reasons. Keep up the great work.
Hive Cities are my favorite part of the 40k universe. Their scale is just too massive to comprehend but the number of human stories is almost limitless.
Now in regards to a 'stock exchange' ; no, there'd be no Pan-Imperial Terran stock exchange. That's fully impossible. However a planet like Thracian prime that has 1000s of ships coming and going everyday would certainly develop a complex and heavily documented commodity exchange. Barrier to entry in something like that would likely be heavy, guild and nobility only. Thanks for covering hive citys. Theyre my favorite 40k environment. Limitless possibilities.
thank god, a warhammer youtuber that doesn’t populate his videos with miserably unfunny edgy jokes and has good editing/information conveyed effectively. i can finally dip into the surface of 40k woohoo yippee
Ikr? I’ve seen so many warhammer lore channels that are just plain cringe and unfunny with their edgy attempts at humor. It takes away from the compelling topics at hand.
Idk how many hours you have but I have listened to over 20 and if I cant sleel I put you on, then if I Wake up to a point or another and rewind. Love your style, glory to the Emperor.
@28:05 I find this piece of music to be one of your best choices - it always gives me this feeling of objectivity or stepping back to quietly observe different events from a distance - gives me Master of Orion/Antares vibes, excellent choice either way 👍
@@CountingStars333 well the ones in the western world aren't complete shit holes. That's why people immigrate to the west from these countries...not so much the other way round.
@@hewesy7265 Tokyo is not a crap hole by any means, Beijing has nice areas, Delhi though, pretty bad. Japan and South Korea prove you can have well functioning very dense cities.
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Return today with an overview the Hive Cities of the Imperium - from here we will be able to look more closely at specific details and elements of Hive Cities and those who live within them, including specific gangs activities and so on. As per usual this was meant to be a 30 min video lol - but things often spiral out of control. Thanks for the support as always guys - there will be more coming up very soon - I also apologise for any vocal inconsistency, my voice is still not 100% healed and recording is sometimes just tough.
Wow this was early
Another video by the great and possibly heretical Luetin. Yay
2:11. You can't be teasing us like that.
I wonder how Pandemics impact Hive Cities. Perhaps some Governors have an idea of controlled Pandemics to stop their homeworlds from turning into polluted Hive Worlds. Historically Black Death has interesting implications:
www.anderson.ucla.edu/faculty_pages/nico.v/Research/Horsemen_REStud.pdf
I've looking for an in depth video on hive cities. Surprisingly there really aren't many. There is one that I know of that's only about 40 minutes long and isn't in too much depth.
"respirators are mandatory, if they are available" is a great way to describe a hive city in one sentence.
Being a karen is a heresy and the inquisition Will be informed if one shows up.
"Keep those legs moving, citizen! I'm not paying you to breathe!"
It is good that he prefaced that part of environmental conditions with the need to suspend disbelief. But it is hard to suspend disbelief, believe me.
When one has mastered controlled nuclear fusion power and one had antimatter power, one can have an Earth sized planet with a trillion people with a lower carbon footprint than presently exists on Earth. Nuclear fusion power is 12 million times more efficient than natural gas and antimatter is 200 times more efficient than nuclear fusion power. Nuclear fusion power comes from hydrogen which can be obtained via electrolysis of water. Hydrogen is the most abundant element in existence.
Nuclear fusion and antimatter power means no greenhouse gas and very few pollutant emissions from such power stations, and it also means no secondary emissions from land vehicles because electric vehicles and hydrogen vehicles will be powered from non fossil fuel sources. With regards to wastes being produced by factories, all wastes can be sequestered, dissociated, recombined, and reused, instead of just spewed into the atmophere or spilled into the environment. Ashen wastes can be utilized to produce graphene, Bucky balls, and carbon nanotubes. What cannot be reused or if it not wanted to be reused can be launched into space and then dumped into the nearest star. The Imperium is not lacking in technologies for space launch and spaceflight and has lots and lots and lots and lots of spacecraft.
The explanation that the rulers and power elites of the worlds do not care a hoot about their planets and environments does not cut it either. Given that they possess the technology to make environment much much more pleasant than what prevails in the narrative, even if they mistreat the people that they govern, they would actually like to be able to readily visit pleasant places and surroundings regularly and cheaply. On Hive Worlds those would be placed not occupied by Hive Cities, and even Hive Worlds mostly have far more space not occupied by Hive Cities or any settlements at all than they do. With the technologies at their disposal, they'd be able to ensure that such spaces are ecologically well kept, being mostly verdant and having streams, lakes, and other bodies of water with little pollution.
The toxic ecological wasteland narrative of Hive Worlds is ridiculous given the very advanced technological capability of the Imperium and also the logical desire of rulers and elites to be able to easily access and have much in pleasant surroundings on their worlds, even if they do not care much for those that they govern ...
@@musafawundu6718 It's not so much that the elites of a world give a crap about the general citizen, it's more that as a matter of policy, Humanity has little more than a most basic understanding of the technology it runs on - and I'm talking about the guys who're supposed to be maintaining it, the Mechanicum. The average citizen would see their work as a place of magic. All you'd need in a situation like that are small failures gradually snowballing over time to produce toxic leaks and with less inefficient technologies replacing the failing archeotech the toxicity gets built into the system
Or 2020
Damn. I didn't know Charles Dickens wrote 40k lore back in the day.
Never learned enough ;)
Clearly the warp is real :)
@@allancarey2604 had ever doubt? Of course the warp is real.
"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair"…its was the grim dark past of 1.8k
@@christiantoftgaard5969 wrong way to date. It should be 8xx.M1or M2
Quoting Dickens at the start threw me for a loop. Very nice touch.
There's something very disconcerting about listening to Luton set the scene for a video about grim dark future with what you assume is a quote from 40k, only for it to be from our relatively recent past. And a description from a contemporary of those events.
Me too..
@@somethinglikethat2176 It also, unfortunately, very accurately describes the present for numerous people.
@@somethinglikethat2176 totally agree, while listening to the quote i was thinking “yeah that sounds like a hive city” then BAM its Dickens and i felt a little disturbed by that....
Man, the concept of lost colonies is maybe the most intriguing thing about the 40k galaxy for me. There could be entire human civilizations out there that have never even heard of the Emperor, Tau, Tyranids and everything else.
And actual sci fi technology not being hindered by a cult
@@bruno17289 will likely be destroyed like the one other advanced human civilization Horus invaded.
@@joevenespineli6389 at first i read 'invaded' as 'created' and i was like bruh
Kinda like Earth huh?
There are.
That Charles Dickens quote could have been mistaken for the start of a 40K novel. Very nice touch!
What was the revolution if not 40k take away all the cool space ship after all?
@@erikoverland9926 decaying empire and all
My thoughts exactly. Very clever way to start the narrative.
That’s what I thought it was!
Hive citizen TK421 giving his state mandated positive comment and thumbs up. Praise be to the Emperor on his throne.
Praise the Sun! \[T]/
Oh shit! Stepped into the wrong universe! [Runs away from the inquisitors]
TK421 why aren't you at your post? TK421 do you copy?
@@Pile_of_carbon HERESY !!!!!
@@jamespearson2823 Arbites have been dispatched to investigate this deriliction of duty.
@@jamespearson2823 Dammit! You beat me to it.
In the grim darkness if the future, there is only bureaucracy
i guess not much has changed in the thousands of years since the 21st century
Truly the grimdarkest of all possible futures.
Grim darkness of the present?
@Ethan Magor
Not really. War is more fun.
The anarchists lost. But was it worth the price?
Yes, yes it was.
I’m having a really rough couple weeks, 1 hour and 45 minutes of Luetin talking about Hive cities somehow makes things that much better.
Same here, been hurting with money and negative thoughts. Hang in there!
Nathan Thanks man, you too! The Emperor Protects
Pffttt... Come live here, this place is a Literal Hive City, we can Swap places. but that is human, to say your condition is worse than others help you endure somehow, never helped me to say that, so dunno just try to enjoy what you can or fall into Lunacy and Madness like me and Hear the Voices of the God of Blood and Slaughter. Soon... Soon when Civil War Erupts here i Shall Revere and Worship my Lord as it fit, with Rivers of Blood running red the Streets and Skulls for his Magnificent Throne...
The pain and brokenness is temporary. The Emperor protects brother
Do you want to talk, because I'll listen
The Charles dickens quote is kinda eerie when you realize it was written to describe an actual time in human history albeit in a much smaller scale than the hives of 40k but it still fits perfectly
It still describes the actual time. Just take a look at a Chinese/Pakistani sweatshop. People will live under these conditions untill we are able to fully automatize the workforce... That's why in the Imperium there are no robots or highly developed AI, if there were any, this type of horrible conditions for workers wouldn't exist, and humans wouldn't die by the billions during battles with xenos and chaos. But you know, if the Imperium uses robots it wouldn't be 40 k.
@@pedrosalvador1146 If they did use robots extensively, it would still be horrible, as the Imperium is beset on all sides by threats to their existence, more likely, the freed up manpower for factory work will be sent to the meat grinder of battle.
@@pedrosalvador1146 You need to watch lutins video on STCs... Imperium doesnt use robots on purpose.
@@TheKodiak72 I think they have Servitors working on assembly lines in the more advanced manufactorums.
Isn't the entire point of 40k sociopolitical commentary taking real life problems and ramping it up to its logical critical mass if given 38000 years to inflate the numbers
Hive citizen WQ989, Role: Designated Tech priest of engine block component number 143/155 manufacturing plant 3/4, positive thumb given, video was good and a productive expenditure of time gifted to me by both manufacturing plant's many kind spirits, positive comment given, critique: no praise given to the machine spirits of the hive cities that allow life. Praise be the emperor who allows a fraction of his holy knowledge refuge within me, forever indebted I am honored to be.
Praise be
I love this lmao
This tech priest appears to be giving critique of our glorious imperium?
Tech priest, you have not Praised the omnissiah in this statement. Prepare for swift destruction
@@cyrolocker1229 I think he was roleplay "critiquing" the video, not the Imperium.
Luetin: Near 2 hours of Hive City expose.
Me: Whoa that will be the most in-depth video for Hive Cities.
Luetin: We are not going in-depth for now - this is just the first video of many.
Me: 😵
_New to 40k lore/Luetin, i see?_ :P
@@Volvith Yes and Not. Yes, because 2 years (both deep into 40k and subscribed to Luetin) is not a lot (compared to some veteran fans). And Not because 2 years deep into the 40k lore and subscribed to Luetin is not making me exactly... New. The thing is I am still amazed by the Luetin's depth. It's unique.
@@Michael.Virtus 40k is so vast it's kinda intimidating when coming in I've been into 40k for 10 years and still feel new lol.
@@thissmithymanga7119 Yeah I know exactly what you mean. I feel both adept and new at the same time. But yeah, 40k is immensely vast AND deep. It's crazy.
I shall consume it all. MORE WAR LORE.
"wait... it's ALL industrial poverty?"
"Always has been."
always has been* but still good meme
Be aware, our future.
In Armageddon, a family of four living in a 200sq feet apartment is appalling, meanwhile in Hong Kong, families of four living in 150sq feet is the norm.
it actually started mercantilism (which in turn created the middle class)
So I would beg to differ. Plus, It made people more educated/skilled, despite the early industrial revolution being rough, it got better once the British govt churned out workers rights. (of which now all the world (nearly)now use.)
This is why I laugh when people go "but if we leave the EU we have no WoRkeRz RiGhtZ"... when we created it LOL
The rich and beautiful irony of someone believing the British government "churned out human rights" while watching a video that starts with a quote from Dickens, a man who was instrumental in highlighting the plight of British industrial workers, particularly children, precisely because the British government weren't doing anything about it and had to be forced into action by popular protest.
Lol.
They’re like giant metal Christmas trees made out of factories and human misery ☺️
Happy Sanguinala!
@@WASDLeftClick Ah, so that's why there's decorations on all the suicide nets.
@@gso619 nets are too expensive , it's cheaper to just let them fall then recycle the corpses
That emoji makes you look like you’d look at some sort of torture chamber and smile warmly and think to yourself, “ah, it brings me such joy to know how much pain they’re in! Ó_-“
Just like Christmas!
I figure a lot of Hive cities were built/designed in the Golden age, but they were built with idea of resources the Imperium no longer has. Stuff like robotic slave labor which could work in such horrible conditions 24/7 without fatigue, illness or death. They wouldn't need to be fed, housed or anything. I wouldn't be surprised if before the fall hive worlds would only hold a fraction of the population they do now as they would need far less man power as they relied more heavily on machines to do the work for them.
More the populations would be in the upper hive levels in what now is taken up by the nobility would likely be the scientist and explorers of ages past. With a smaller population it would have less demands and possibly be able to meet it's own requirements. After all if you think of a Hive that now supports Billions or Trillions of people might of only housed a few million in the past you can imagine the difference that makes.
Stealing this for a d&d campaign thanks
@@npgabriel Sounds cool =) Depending on the setting you could easily replace technology with magic. A society that used to use golems for all their labor, but as the knowledge to make golems is forgotten the city spirals into decay.
@Lord Admiral Spire I haven't played it in years but there was a series called Rifts made by a group called Palladium. Mass cross over series compatible with every game type that company made.
It was a table top RPG much like Dnd but it had high tech robots and power armor, lasers, rail guns etc on one side. Then fantasy elements like magic, dragon, Vampires etc on the other. Whole concept of the game is a massive diasaster broke out and killed off like half the population of the world.
All that psychic energy flooded the planets lay lines and caused magic to go out of control and open "Rifts" to other dimensions. From those rifts crawled out super natural horrors which killed more people, flooded more magic into the system and became a self sustaining issue.
If 40k could ever cross over perfectly with any RPG I always thought it would be that game.
A few million? Undoubtedly, they're over capacity now but a few million is ridiculous
@@georgerafa5041 Depends, numbers up for debate and not all hives are equal. But consider they are meant to be more or less a single city, not a world. If you consider the upper spires where Nobel's live were perhaps the only area's designed to hold human life (and thus held to a much higher standard) it would make sense.
That is the main thing about a balanced eco system, lower population density than you'd expect. There is a reason small town living was sustainable for hundreds of years and more modern mega cities destroy every thing around them.
Agriworld Civilian: "I wonder what it's like living in a hive ci--"
Luetin: "NOTHING GOOD. LET ME EXPLAIN."
Agriworlds dont get enough credit they do honest work to provide plenty of food for the rest of the
imperium id like to know more about these worlds they seem much more interesting than industrial
hellscapes or boring warzones they give some welcome variety to this grimdark future.
Living in latam literally feels like living in an agri World...
@@thebestdad9816 "it aint much but it's honest work"
@@theghostwolf15 what and where is latam
LATAM is Latin America i think
"No Kids, dad can't play now. Lutin Just posted a 2 hour Long video. Go play with mommy"
Well there goes my productivity today
"No boss, can't work now. Lutin posted a 2 hour long video in the middle of the work day. Go and outsource my position"
@@Huffman_Tree im not saying im not working...im just saying that obviously my work computer hasnt gone to idle...so i must be here
@buff battle boy you have been in the bathroom 2 hrs now... what are you doing!?!?
@@Huffman_Tree damn. lmao
40k Hive cities. In the future you'll see the sign back on holy terra outside a town that somehow survived from our time..."Welcome to Flint Michigan where atleast we're not a hive".
Then in really small print on the sign it says "try not to drink the water"
@@matthiasthulman4058 (but our water is still better than whatever the fuck is found on Necromunda Prime)
@@nekrataali lol yes, this.
In M41, the entire state of Michigan had its lake destroyed millennia ago, and now it's just one huge crumbling, former manufactorum after all the menial jobs were outsourced to Segmentum Obscuris
Michigan is the most revered place on holy terra
When the quote at the beginning turned out to be a quote from Charles dickens I felt a chill up my spine
I really didn't expect it. It's quite horrifying what conditions people lived in just a few generations ago
@@fanaticaltechpriest1002 we still do in most places
"In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war" was written by Charles Dickens?
@@FuzzyChubbyPurpleUnicorn in china and other such places maybe.
Dickens is outstanding. For something more recent, you could also read The Road to Wigan Pier.
When Mega City One looks like a paradise.
The only reason I understand this reference is because of Anthrax's Among the Living album. Lol
Mega city one has more unemployment though whether unemployment is better than eternal service to a manufactorum with bad working conditions is your choice.
@@thebestdad9816 much prefer dealing with block wars and recycled food, than the possibility of having warp monsters or tryanids descending on my planet.
Everything is relative.
@@thebestdad9816 I mean Mega City One is better it's not even a contest. Being bored and having to subsist on soylent green in an overcrowded building might be bad by modern sensiblities but it seems like hive "citizens" have more in common with a slave labourer in a death-camp.
When it comes to sleeper ships you've also got "leap frog theory" in play. Basically it's perfectly possible for a sub-light colony ship to arrive somewhere that's already been colonised by the same species because they developed FTL travel during the voyage. So it's perfectly possible (and given the setting likely) that there are multiple, complete, STC equiped colony ships drifting around the Imperium but nobody notices because they're in the interstellar void where no warp drive equiped ship would go.
I don't think you'd ever see it in a mainline 40k story though but it'd make an interesting "What does the Imperium look like to golden age humans?" thing as they studied WTF had happened to their target world, their species and so on. Kind of like the "Warhammer: Crime" stuff but for turbo lore nerds like us lot.
Late comment, but wasn't golden age humanity already using warp travel? The sublight starships were, iirc, sent out in in M18 to M22 and by then, warp travel took over.
Still, an interesting concept.
@@rishidronadula7260 They were. Pre Eye of Terror the warp was a fairly calm place, so warp travel was far more common and far more regular. No Navigators were needed.
@@lozfreak17I think navigators were still used but they didn't need the astronomicon to get everywhere
I have not played a single SECOND of this game but I know a lot about the 40K universe from watching all Luetin09's videos. 10/10
Shit he covers alot but there's a helluva lot more to dig up this universe has been going since the 80s
You are WEAK
Armada and Armada 2 are fun. In the grim dark future of mankind, even space ships engage in melee
@@JoshuaKevinPerry and in broadside barrages
@@_DrSimon_ peak of tactical efficiency
Dude, your voice is absolutely perfect for what you do. Clarity, accent, everything. Just a pleasure to listen to.
The one complaint I have is TERROR and TERA sound very similar.
I agree wholeheartedly
Let’s be honest. The English accent is far superior to the accents of other English speaking countries.
@bearshy couldn't agree more
I use his videos to get to sleep in an instant. Plus side is I can hear his videos again and again because I aleays fall asleep fast
Dear god, a single hive is its own universe of lore and stories.
And millions of them burn every day. Imagine the trillions of story that could all be set within a hive, only for an unstoppable horde of xenos or Chaos to sweep over and bring every subplot to a bloody, meaningless end. This, is life in 40k.
Yeah, i thought that i could catch up to speed during the quarantine (i hadn't delved much into 40k lore before) but now i realize that you could base a whole academic department from bachelors to doctors degrees on 40k lore.
Exactly. And that's why THIS is the part of the 40k universe that interestd me the most, much more so than the galactic wars.
You should read the Kal Jerico trilogy.
That's the idea, you don't buy into the story of the 41st millenium you buy into a framework to author your own stories.
Reminds me of a quote: "One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic."
-Joseph Stalin
Yeah. There’s brutal, then there’s ‘starved several million people to death while exporting grain because my plans are perfect, no-one’s actually going to care’ brutal. Still, the Man of Steel was a valuable tool in the greatest bitch-slap of human history.
Peak Joseph Stalin would make even the most brutal of Imperial nobility tremble
@@cilliancallaghan9788 Off the top of my head, I can't really see Stalin deciding to make himself younger by grinding up babies into rejuvinant fluid if he had the ability to. Those babies would have more value to him as future workers. Hitler, on the other hand, did have people manufacturing soap with corpses, including babies, that's probably where 40k got the idea from.
The Imperium mixes and matches so that the most horrific things in human history all are happening at once all the time for thousands of years. I think they'd win any brutality contest by sheer virtue of there being some low the Imperium is fine with that any specific person or nation in reality would go to war over.
@@alexanderward5286 are sure that isn't an Pol Pot or Angela Merkel quote?
Hive world factory worker: life is nothing but a crushing grind until death.
19th factory worker: First time?
19th century factory worker is living his life compared to *any* factory worker in 40k.
They can still see the sun/sky sometimes.
matchstick girls have entered the chat
@@lkvideos7181 around 10% of workers in Britain around the late 1800's and very early 1900's payed a full board/ rent rate for a "place" on a taught line of string to sleep on, in a warehouse with a few hundred men sleeping on the same or adjacent lines of string. The exposure to pollutants would have likely been worse or the same for the British workers than many in Hive cities.
The WH40K world is merely a mirror of our own world, very little can be fully newly imagined when our own reality contains such grotesque treatment of very real humans.
@@RoryJordaan That still is paradise in comparison to the horrendous living conditions of 99% of humans in 40k, tbh. 40k is satire, and ultimately takes real life horrors and cranks them all hundreds of times over. The "grinding of humanity under the wheel of industry" is taken very literally with people being turned into food once they die; for example.
"You will never find a more dangerous hive of scum and villainy...." - The God-Emperor, probably.
Except for all the other hives.
I heard that phrase was first uttered in M38 by a powerful unregulated psyker named Ken Binobi while speaking to his young apprentice Duke Skystrider on some desert world on the far rim.
Was he referring to pre-conquest terra?
@@orumonuldor1340 it's quot from Samurai Jack, no?
@@MenRot No, Babylon 5, maybe.
Currency? Citizen, YOU are the currency.
Truer words have never been said
Life is the Emperor's currency, spend it well
@@thebestdad9816 your name is a lie
@@temugebagira6592 false
This deserves to be pinned
BLESS'ED IS HE WHO BRINGETH US LORE
FOR HIS NAME IS LUETIN, ARCHIVIST OF KNOWLEDGE
Thanks for another video, so excited to listen to it! :)
I thought his name was kitten.
BEHOLD, THE GREATEST SACRIFICE OF OUR AGE. LUETIN THE ARCHIVIST IS NO MORE. HENCEFORTH, HE SHALL ALWAYS AND ONLY EVER BE, LUETIN THE HERO.
A week ago I had vaguely heard of Warhammer 40K. I made a conscious decision to figure out what this thing was, and after dumping more than a few hours into watching videos over the last week, I find it quite fascinating. I am sort of dumbfounded how I didn't learn of it earlier. But...most of those hours went to this channel. And as I said it was more than a few. So, after getting a solid sample of your work, all I can say is "well done Luetin09, well done".
If you stray too close to the lore it just sucks you in brother.
I started watching these in much the same way. Have you practically finished them all at this point as well? Now I just have to wait for the new ones or go back and rewatch.
Welcome to the hobby my friend. As all encompassing as chaos. Enjoy your stay
Hey, a bit late, but i'd be really interested in what happened! :D
You lost your life and time or you came out unscathed after finding w40k?
‘My ordinary life in a hive city’ is what I imagine the most depressing slice of life manga would be called “0947-Kun want half of this corpse starch?” “0978-Chan lets get off this world and join the guard, anything is better than this”
40k is my favourite anime
Yes Inquisitor, this coment and that answer
@@theghostwolf15 If 0947-kun and 0978-chan can find a boiler room in the underhive, we can get the hotsprings episode of the anime
@@nayas1885 we can even have a beach episode out in the Ash field next to a pollution lake :)
@@roguepsykerhaaker4813 Of course we can! It'll have to be short because they may die from the poisonous gas if they stay too long. So it might be like an ova
Never enough Luetin in my life. You should definitely narrate an audiobook at some point man!
Wait this wasnt a audio book hey where are my 15 bucks then?
@@leonst.7471 Tzeentch. It is all part of the plan :)
...or better yet. MAKE HIS OWN.
YES PLEASE!
I tryed listening to audiobooks from a free audible access... i couldnt really stand the animated voice of the narrator, it was just too tryhard.
This is perfect for me..
The use of Dickens at the start was bloody inspired.
Someone should make a Hive City city builder sim. 😅
A 40K building simulator sounds... Kinda cool actually
Nice idea. And the endgame is setting up a nice industry and pop growth to support PDF garrisons and Guardsmen regiments.
I would play the heck out of that. Aside from the awesome physical building mechanics, imagine all the cool political stuff you could do, like having your Arbites root out genestealer cults or trying to satisfy the inquisition so you don't get half your population executed.
Fallout: Shelter, grimdark edition.
With political choices, frostpunk style.
I'd say even predictions in the trillions are still pretty low considering hive cities can be continent sizes with a population density that makes Manhattan Island look like the Australian outback.
5-6 such cities surrounded by tower farms that compress thousands of acres of arable land into just a few meters of ground. Those and other similar implied technologies in the imperium make mind breakingly huge populations not only viable but inevitable.
At least on Necromunda, the hive city isn't as huge as a continent. They have a lot of surface because they pile on high, not because they spread out.
Between the hives of Necromunda is the dust wastes where millennia of industrial pollution has choked out almost everything. Only trains between the hives and a villages surviving on scraps and salvage are out there.
2020 isn't that bad in the end I guess. We could live in 40 020.
Better to live in a shitty world, then to live in a HOLY FUCK EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE WHY AM I ALIVE world.
For a moment I thought the Luetin Necropolis returned :(
Im really looking forward to the next episodes of it.
Alas im sure this will be a real cool video too ;)
To be honest, I like when a sci-fi universe creates content a good amount of content based around this sort of subject. As much as I like learning about heroes and battles, I like to dive deep into what there is to learn about the cities in a sci-fi universe. It's why I love Coruscant in Star Wars.
Why I love Dune
It's why Disney owning star wars meas things will be kinda neat but g rated from hear on out on all official releases
2:08
"I could but it would be six hours long..."
That would be awesome :D
Right? I'm trying to see the downside.
@@daisho13 the downside it LT taking 6 months to make it.
6 hours? Why not, I like looooooong film reviews from the loooooooong man Mauler
@@kredonystus7768 no regrets! 😆
Wich Scifi Universe would you like to live?
Star Trek: "Yes."
Star Wars: "YES ABSOLUTLY!"
40K:"NEVER EVER! NO WAY IN HELL!""
Which SciFi Universe are we actually going to wind up in:
Star Trek: rofl, hell no, we can't afford that kinda stuff.
Star Wars: If we are lucky, sounds a lot like a golden age.
40K: ....Let's be real honest with ourselves, here...
@@attemptedunkindness3632 To be honest if humanity does´t change dramatically we will wipe ourselfs out before we are even near some of any of this SciFi scenarios.
@@Schattennebel Enter Age of Strife.
We will end up on “Planet of the Apes” future.
Sounds great actually. Return to Monke gang forever.
The universe of The Expanse seems likely
The concept of agriculture worlds always escaped me. When a thing like hydroponics exists, any planet with water could be an ag world.
There are hydroponics in use in 40k, But that involves technology, tech priests, oil, incense and chanting. U can easily just stand land and lights in a tower and throw unlimited manpower at it.
@@timsearle5837 well said
Ah yes hive cities! The most perfect and unflawed of the Omnissiah's blessings
Fool, the hive city can never match the holy mechanization of our automanufactories
In the grim dark tubes of the interwebway, some youtubers release vids in 10 min installations for revenue. Luetin09 just goes full Angron and bashes your skull with condensing all vlumes into one upload.
Thought that opening quote was from my mom talking about how my room was back in high school...
Everyone in my writing group:'*LOTR the world's most extreme worldbuilding*'
Me: I see you have yet to touch the Grimdark.
As a country boy that grew up in a mountainous town with less than a million inhabitants I am terrified and baffled by the life on the big cities, the pollution, the traffic, the crime rates, the never ending cacophony and blinding neon lights, life in a hive sounds horrible to me, drop me in a neolithic level death world to fend for myself against the forces of nature any day but never leave me in a poorly lit alley on an under hive, I know very well where I have the higher chances of survival, mother nature is not as scary as human nature.
Crime is not that bad, as long as you know what areas to stay in, hell some rural areas have worse crime rates than cities and the worst crime rates in the states is not actually in the mega cities (LA and NYC) but in the medium sized rust belt cities. Now I know cities are not for everyone and that is all good, but they are not horrible places to live as long as it's not flint or Detroit lol. Anyways the a million inhabitants would be a large city, did you mean less than a thousand people?
@@duitk Plus, if you have the cash to support yourself, and your family. With a pretty good job, you can get a pretty good life living in the city. Plus, the convinience of living here is really great.
I don't live in a actual City (i technically do but this city was created by merging three towns that touched each other) but there is two cities close to me one is ok in the other one you just need to avoid certain places but luckily no neon lights everywhere
I am staying out in the countryside.
As a country boy who grew up in a regional agriculture town in the mid west of Western Australia with less than 1000 people who lived in Sydney then returned to the country town it was good to be able to disappear amongst the crowds without anyone knowing your who you are, who you are talking to and getting a root pretty easily
Dude, you make a full blown documentary every week or two. Hats off to you and your hard work. It is impressive and you deserve a shoutout.
ohey its lootin
Yee brah its lootin
@@icetea9092 Time for some lootin maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
Where my another warframe crossover to Warhammer 40k I want more :)
@@TheDragonfriday where's the UA-camrs privacy. I'm sure they clearly want more people bugging them everywhere they go too.
@@mostlyjovial6177 It's a public forum, mouthbreather. UA-camrs can easily get in contact with each other privately.
I have never ever played any of the iterations of War hammer but i absolutely love the lore and your approach of narrative and break down
Your rendition of Dicken's is fanastic and I was sure it was a 40k quote from somewhere, but no it's our own history. It was excellent subvervsion and really humanizes 40k, which is also something you are amazing at. As someone who has listened to you for hours please never stop, you have a beautiful mind
"I sent wave after wave of my own men at them"
~ zap branegan
Zap:so i threw so many bodies that it overdrive the robots kill switch!
Imperial Commissar: Brilliant give this man a medal and a promotion!
"Clogging the enemy turrets with wreckage" Zapp Branagen.
Zap was 37k years ahead of his time
40K Lore often feels like a text book on how to die in the most horrible ways possible.
you can say, there are 40k ways to die
Me when i see a luetin09 video: "I offer a toast to the Loremaster!"
A toaster*
piece of toast to the loremaster*
@@marcolaf6948 Toasters for the Toast God!
@@marcolaf6948 Did someone mention cyberdongs?
@@johnivanoplimo5172 Bread for the Bread God! Slice up this Toast!
The suicide rate among humans in 40K must be abysmal.
Probably lower than one would think. Because people lives there from the start.
The horrendous lifestyle would tend to kill the weaker so early they wouldn't have have time to contemplate suicide.
@@charloteauxvalerian3875 Yeah... that's... not how that works.
If we take the Charles Dickens quote as a guide then we could use 19th Britain as a reference.
It starts at roughly double that of today (in 1863) and rises as easier methods for doing so become more available (to about 3 times today's average in 1905) and drops during both world wars with a large rise during the great depression.
academic.oup.com/ije/article/39/6/1464/736597
@@geofff.3343 Ok, you got a point ! :D
@@geofff.3343 There are no high suicide rates because for one, people in 40k simply don't know any other lifestyle as they are born into it, and grow up with the heavily indoctrinated perception that their entire purpose in life is to do service to the Emperor for there is no higher calling, and secondly even if someone developed delusions of a better lifestyle and contemplated suicide ( which again, is highly unlikely ), not just himself, but his entire family and generations down the line would face severe punishment for even the thought of wasting imperial resources. In the worst case, the immediate perpetrators would be turned into mindless servitors.
“This scrip system seems terrible!”
*The Pinkertons has entered the chat*
I’m only 11 and when I played D&D, people told me to play Warhammer: 40k. I started searching up the lore and found you, Leutin09. You helped me learn about The Imperium and their enemies, from the Orks to the Tyranids. Now, I’m waist deep in the lore of the 41st Millennium and I love it. So I thank you, and I think you deserve a Seal of Purity and I give you my gratitude. Now, Purge the filth from this sacred land, brothers. FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
I was your age when I started in 2001!
@@retributorminis2424 It's odd that people would tell you to play 40k from D&D. They're completely different games. Playing and RPG won't prepare you for a wargame.
ParallaxNick Ah yes, I understand that. I believe that whoever told me might’ve not known much about 40k, and it also might’ve been correlated to me trying to find out the darkest parts about Star Wars, so it might possibly have either been related to that, or D&D.
@@retributorminis2424 don't give up on star wars though. that stuff can be dope as hell. though, nowhere near as dark as warhammer can get.
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I am about to run a game of Dark Heresy 40k RPG set in a Hive City, you have no idea how much I needed this video!
The idea at the beginning of patrols through an abandoned hive sounds great. Small pockets of squatters ignoring the decree to live of the scraps left behind, a local ork infestation settled in the former corpse starch factory, warp apparitions as echo from the event that caused the fall of said hive ...
A thing to remember is that there are about 20k hive planets in a empire who at the minimum is a million worlds. Yet, despite this they are the most important worlds for the Imperium due solely to population and industrial might needed to help keep the stalemate aganist Orks, chaos Force invasions, tyranids and the occasional minor Xenos incursions.
The fall of a Hive World can easily spell doom for a whole sector.
It’s never really talked about in the lore about the “middle class” of a hive city. I mean, there have to be people other than the basic factory workers and the decadent nobility.
guild members, traders, merchants and high ranking civil servants are the usual middle class citizens.
I want a tale about a small business owner in a hive-city, attending to tired workers day after day, hearing about local people that have just been deployed to the frontlines just to know that they won’t never be seen again...
One day an invasion comes to his planet, but he manages to survive and the Empire retake control. We then could have the first hand look of the aftermath of a victory - How is the rebuilding, how do people deal with the countless dead, etc.
It would be an interesting point of view to this universe outside of a space marine on frontlines or an inquisitor unveiling demonic conspiracies...
People like that Imperial Guards precisely because there’s a charm to a regular person charging against the larger than life cosmic horrors. What would be more relatable than a civilian outlook at it? Someone who cannot act, just react to it. I think there’s potential for a short story about it.
literally went into guilds and merchant class. that's your middle class. it was talked about at great length in this video.
@@lordblazer I like populating the hive with factions. You can decide how often regular folks actually see a full tech-priest. Sometimes there's tech-guilds who preserve their little parts about the greater whole, like how to keep a certain water plant running or a tram system going with the tech-priests mostly moving in the background dealing with advanced things like the power system.
Considering that any functional Dystopian Society needs to eliminate the Middle Class of order to survive, I highly doubt a Middle Class exists in Warhammer 40k. Middle Class people represent the most likely possibility of change, and that needs to be stamped out if you wanna run a dictatorship. That's why Tyrant States are always poor.
Actually a lot of the economic problems with distance for the Imperium are actually totally solvable via means that are utilized today. Farmers essentially sell their crops months ahead of time, with prices indicated by tradable futures indices.
This is why I generally don’t like fantasy anymore. Authors generally don’t craft realistic worlds. Everyday life, trade and governance are missing so many basic details. Being able to poke holes in a world simply by asking the question, “How does this work?” completely breaks my immersion.
Your description of currency that was effectively only spendable within the workers' local area was close to a system still present in industrial factory towns in the UK in the 20th century - where towns had 1 major employer who controlled all of the shops and was the landlord.
*ATTENTION CITIZEN*
Multiple third-party individuals have reported one or more of your actions as inappropriate.
Well........ I’m screwed....
You know, let's just cut out the middle man here and just...
*_FIRE!_*
**planet subjected to exterminatus**
_In the grim darkness of the 41st century, there is only cancel culture_
I have literally just built a hive city for my D&D 5E homebrew campaign. Thank you so much for this!
"Alright, I'm getting things DONE today boi!"
LUTEIN: No. You're not.
i’m impressed every time without fail by Luetins videos. the amount of information and pictures/artwork gathered for the actual video is amazing. The amount of work put into each video is amazing. And i’ll be watching and liking every one of them because with 40k, every answer i get has me asking two more questions
I don’t know if I am alone in this, but I have tremendous struggles getting to sleep, but these videos really help. They give my mind something else to focus on and your voice just has such a calming effect, no matter what the topic of the video is. So thank you for helping me sleep, and filling my dreams with sweet holy emperor stuff.
in 40k its just as likely by the time that cargo gets there the buyers have been either eaten by tyranids, flayed by dark eldari, murderboned by slanesh, or sacrificed by any number of chaos cults. its very hard to plan around these trade disruptions
This guy is so committed to this game. It’s quite impressive. Calling it a game at this point is a disservice, Luetin makes it a way of life! Keep up the good work bro.
When Netflix or Hulu decides to make a new megseries, hopefully this guy gets picked up for the scriptwriting dept
@@globaladdict aged well
structure - its a mountain,
economy - unfathomably large
life - ....... its kinda shit to put it kindly for most
30:25 It scares me what the Empire considers "to polluted/toxic" to close part of a hive.
"We sent 15 billion conscripts to this area and they died too quickly." -Commisar Throwpeopleatproblemus
The Imperium is a galaxy-spanning machine fueled by human blood and souls..
Figuratively _and_ literally.
"One death is a tragedy, A million deaths is a statistic."-Joseph Stalin
"Don't hate the player, hate the game." -Joseph Stalin
In the grim darkness of the far future, it is a terrible truth.
Alternate comment: Joseph Stalin does what’s called a statistic
@@Wuoffan1 ahhh no lol
@@thomasgross8289 "I'm gonna do what's called a Pro-Gamer Move." -Joseph Stalin
Clicked for an in-depth review of hive cities, walked away with a history lesson in real life human economies and currency systems 👍🏾
I didn't know anything about Warhammer except the name. Then a couple of weeks ago I watched Astartes and I have watching these videos ever since after work. They have become my bedtime stories.
saw a "reaction" video to Astartes where they wondered if anyone had ever written any books on Warhammer.
Oh boy have they some catching up to do 😃
Kind of funny how the 40k universe gets so many things right, scientifically speaking (such as the scale of things) but other extremely basic things just utterly wrong and inconsistent within their own universe. Oxygen in a Hive city should be solved the exact same way it's solved on every ship/life support system anywhere else, you just synthetically separate carbon dioxide into carbon and oxygen. This is done much more efficiently by machines than by trees, even today.
Difference today is simply cost, a tree costs almost nothing while a machine performing the same task costs quite a lot. If you have what amounts to forced labour and a shiiiiit ton of people it's a no-brainer to just build some "oxygenators" to support your world. From a military standpoint anything else would be pure lunacy, willingly opening your world up to medieval siege tactics of starving your world when you can with minimal effort be self sufficient.
It's done more efficiently by machines? How.
Electrolosys of CO2 is one way. Heating up CO2 until it breaks appart is another. Bottom line is that trees are extremely inefficient, less than 1% if I remember correctly. Trees are not ”designed” specifically to convert CO2 into oxygen and carbon, they are ”designed” to survive and reproduce, tasks infintely more complex than simply converting CO2 to O2, hence they use most of their energy for that task, surviving.
@@beaconofwierd1883 I think I read somewhere that moss produces alot more oxygen than trees and grass.
Inquisitor Fart Lord Might be true, sounds a bit distorted though, it might be that they are more efficient than trees and produce more oxygen per kg or something like that. Overall Algae produces the most oxygen but I do not know if they are more efficient than trees or if there’s just so much more algae than trees/plants.
This and the idea of living in squalor. Less than 100 million people are truly productive today. Now imagine a planet where EVERYONE is productive. They're not going to be in poverty, it's inevitable
damn for a second there i was thinking "wow this 40k writer he's quoting is actually pretty talented"
I’ve heard from multiple sources, one of them being one of the creators of the game, that hive worlds contain around 4 quadrillion people. I even saw a mathematical breakdown on it, and factoring in how deep the layers of the city go, it all checks out. Horrific.
13:00 I know In the Macharius Crusade novels whenever the 3 main character guardsmen mention a few times about their "meagre salaries" so there is some sort of currency. I believe it only really applies to the lowest level of people. I think Nobility works for land, favors, assets. Space Marines/Sororitas/Assassins fight for honor. Inquisition doesn't need pay because they can take anything in the name of the Emperor.
Technically salary doesn't have to mean money, it could mean food and/or other supplies for personal use.
Like a lot of stuff, it varies. Planetary governments are free to run their economy as well. They can issue local currency or allow guilds and houses to issue their own private scrip. Places can run like planned economies where you're issued basic food prepacks and a pair of shoes every few years.
The only currency is souls. You only own your life? That's worth enough to survive another day, if you put it to work. You are a noble in charge of thousands, millions or billions of souls? You're a bit richer. You are a Space Marine/Sororitas? Your soul in particular is worth a lot to the Imperium, so you're better off than most, just be a good soldier and don't ask for stuff because we would have to give it to you because you deserve it. If you're an Inquisitor the life of whoever is in front of you is in your hands, so you're as wealthy as you need to be. We trade in human lives on the Imperium
These videos almost feel like real documentaries of past events. It's such a treasure trove to stumble onto and listen to while I work.
"It would be 6 hours long"
That's fine!
That's great!
When you talked about the golden age men going back to a prehigh tech lifestyle, a nice comparison to eldari extrodites
Only videos that genuinely have me excited. I literally get ready to watch your videos , I man roll a smoke grab some munch and relax. You have genuinely really helped me to take my mind off shit during these crazy times and for that I genuinely thank you man keep up the amazing work.
So weird listening about such cruel living conditions with your voice is soothing
Man, this REALLY reminds me of the belters from the expanse. I can really imagine how the lower levels of the hive and the underhive fit perfectly in a place like ceres. Thinking about the culture, and some lone dude scheming a way to make do within his surroundings is such a cool concept
The edifice is all that remains of humanity's era of progress and even that has been defaced. More than a grim description of how humans live their lives, more than whatever remains of worlds and giant mechs, this really hit home the sheer tragedy of the fall of humanity in this setting.
@IntrepidTit an indication of what can come to be. Although not as...extreme.
@IntrepidTit yeah, I suppose.
Ever thougth of releasing these in a podcast form on things like Spotify etc? Would subscribe in a heartbeat
Lutein made me spring for YT premium. Can’t go back
Luetin09: "you cannot simply cover it in one singular piece or well i could but it would just probably be six hours long". you know damn well most of your viewers would watch that XD.
The revelation of the Dickens quote gave me chills. What a fantastic video.
Today, I realized I don't actually care what the topic is, I just like hearing Luetin talk as I work. Nice.
All this talk about infrastructure I'm half expecting Rogal Dorn to show up.
Just another truly sensational upload. Whenever I see a notification from you I make sure I can watch it uninterrupted so I can enjoy it properly and I'm never disappointed. I'm looking forward to your next offering especially. Going into the gangs and those dark, dirty bits of the 40K lore that's not really explored is what drew me to the hobby in the first place. In a universe of trillions the improbable exists in all its horror.
"I am not a number! I am a free man!"- Planetary Guard trooper. "That's nice trooper 6,346,597,823,354". " Now run along and flank that Ork raiding party."- Unnamed Commissar
I've been meaning to leave this comment on one of your videos for a while now:
You are, by far, my favourite youtube channel.
Your presentation style, the amount of research, and your passion for the subject make the videos not only informative but also entertaining.
So many 40K lore channels are not only hyperbolic but also suffer from, let's be honest, boring presentation, much of that due to the voice of the presenter. You have a very pleasant voice, which helps a lot, but your writing is also excellent.
I've been playing 40K since the 80s (Yes, I'm old), but I still learn a lot from your channel.
This was a particularly good, partly because I have finally picked up my own copy of Necromunda and am currently educating myself on Hives, for obvious reasons.
Keep up the great work.
Hive Cities are my favorite part of the 40k universe. Their scale is just too massive to comprehend but the number of human stories is almost limitless.
Now in regards to a 'stock exchange' ; no, there'd be no Pan-Imperial Terran stock exchange. That's fully impossible.
However a planet like Thracian prime that has 1000s of ships coming and going everyday would certainly develop a complex and heavily documented commodity exchange.
Barrier to entry in something like that would likely be heavy, guild and nobility only.
Thanks for covering hive citys. Theyre my favorite 40k environment. Limitless possibilities.
Luetin, here I was wondering what I was going to do for today then I get this beautiful notification
thank god, a warhammer youtuber that doesn’t populate his videos with miserably unfunny edgy jokes and has good editing/information conveyed effectively. i can finally dip into the surface of 40k woohoo yippee
Ikr? I’ve seen so many warhammer lore channels that are just plain cringe and unfunny with their edgy attempts at humor. It takes away from the compelling topics at hand.
Idk how many hours you have but I have listened to over 20 and if I cant sleel I put you on, then if I Wake up to a point or another and rewind. Love your style, glory to the Emperor.
@28:05 I find this piece of music to be one of your best choices - it always gives me this feeling of objectivity or stepping back to quietly observe different events from a distance - gives me Master of Orion/Antares vibes, excellent choice either way 👍
Wanna see hive cities in their early stages? Go to Beijing, Tokyo, and new delhi
Sureeeee. Only the Asian ones.
@@CountingStars333 well the ones in the western world aren't complete shit holes.
That's why people immigrate to the west from these countries...not so much the other way round.
@@hewesy7265 Tokyo is not a crap hole by any means, Beijing has nice areas, Delhi though, pretty bad. Japan and South Korea prove you can have well functioning very dense cities.
@@duitk every city has nice areas mate. Just like a hive city.
Tokyo is not a hive city at all. Tokyo is closer to an archology. Beijing, Shanghai, Delhi and Mumbai on the other hand... Yeah