+The Wombat from Hell You're trying to be like those people who say military FPS games only have grey textures, bland textures, whatever. In TFC, each map has a different color, and a unique style. If you have not actually played TFC you cannot say "it actually sucks", not only because that is an opinion and you're stating it like it's a fact, but if you haven't *PLAYED* TFC, you can't actually judge it.
lol why did you Auto assume i play Cod? i dont and i only ever played until CoD 5 and never even been on online multiplayer most of what my FPS consists of is TF2 and that game is FULL of colors
The Wombat from Hell 1. TF2 has a lot more blood and gore then most military shooters 2. I AM SO VERY SORRY that english isnt my native speaking language
Lol its not,drippys 2fort is always full lol but its the only server that you can play on with normal number of people an no bots 10-20players at any time...but other servers use bots and have 5-10players without bots or even less players than that with a lot of bots.TFC is still pretty active,its actually only one of the 4 games active in 2020 that are based in gldsrc engine
I like to think that this one guy took a picture of his grass and made it into a texture, then was so proud of it that he made an entire map out of it.
What really upsets me is that shaft where ster explains "THERE'S NOTHING UP THERE" and fires up at the ceiling, you can clearly see that is a room. I don't know what's in banana-land and I'll never know.
This game was all you needed for multiplayer action back in the day. Trying to explain it to my friends, who at the time would think 'split screen Goldeneye' if I were to mention multiplayer FPS games, was pretty much impossible. They just had to see it with their own eyes.
Star's complaints here are so dumb. He sounds like a spoiled kid because all he did before is TF2. Was he even old enough to play video games in the 90s?
I'm so glad that TF2 improved so much in the art direction of the franchise, I would probably would've never even consider touching TF2 if it was another modern realistic, boring looking game that we have too much of these days. In videogames: Style > Realism
Gameplay> Art Style BTW.... TFC is just as unrealistic as TF2 when it comes to it's gameplay, actually. It's VERY high paced and explosion time compared to say, CS 1.6, made the same year...
I know, I'm just saying that if TF2 didn't have the art style and overall personality the game is known for, I would've probably never been interested enough to try it, and I argue that the art direction is very important during the development cycle of a videogame, because it will determine the kind of logic the game will follow, well, at least in most cases.
TF2’s art style is also critical in that it makes everything easy to see, which is a huge and noticeable difference versus this game where everything is blurry mud
personally i'm more interested in TF2 than TFC, maybe it's just because i like the humor in it along with the classes designs and back-stories/personalities. But that's just my opinion.
Team Fortress Classic has this appealing "Off the Rails" feeling, everything is very fast and jagged, it's certainly an experience Team Fortress 2 has a more refined, cartoony and rounded art style, with a slower pace. Besides the similar classes and maps, they're completely different games. I enjoy the quirkiness of both.
As a person, that has played TF2 in 2012, and TFC in 2014, I gotta say, both of these games are amazing. I can appreaciate both of the games, for what they are. I just hate when people complain about how: "TFC's better cuz' bhop" or "TF2's better cuz' hats". If there was no TFC, there would be no TF2. I don't care if you hate TFC or not, but at least appreaciate the fact, that it even exists. While TFC is for more advanced players, with it's BHop, Concs and other stuff. TF2 is a more relaxing experience. Again, I love both of these games, I just hate when people complain about which one is better.
If Team Fortress Classic never existed,there would be a Team Fortress 2,except it would be a free mod to Doom 3 or Quake 4,since the original Team Fortress was a mod for Quake.
If you never played TFC here is how it goes: -Bots shoot you 24/7 and don't get the flag (Yeah, bots are needed cause only like 3 servers have real people) -People (not bots) do nothing but capture the flag -Grenades are spammed -Everyone seems to take infinite damage and still not die -The only classes you need are Engineer, Heavy, and Medic -Everyone has a (useless) shotgun
This is probably how I sounded playing TF2 the first time going "What? No grenades?! You mean I'm supposed to actually WALK across this whole F**king level?!
Has anyone ever actually been able to see the crosshair when ster_ is sniping? Cause I've spent a good 15 minutes looking at the frame where he snipes the engineer and I still can't see it...
Gamer Player Yes, that's why the Classic sniper rifle in Team Fortress 2 is named the Classic. It uses the exact mechanics that the Team Fortress Classic sniper rifle did.
Seriously guys, graphics do not make a game. It's a shitty reason to hate a game, the gameplay looks decent and you don't have to worry about various weapons with different stats or abilities, this truly tests how good you are with the given weapons for each class. I think this might be a fun game for me to try personally,
Well it's one thing to call it dated cause it is, but calling out right bad because it looks nothing like TF2 is rude to me. It was praised highly as a game during its time for a reason, it deserves some type of respect. Some gamers these are just ungrateful.
Matthew Riley Depends. Team Fortress 2 did make the series more causal-friendly by changing its gameplay mechanics, and that is the main reason why a majority of Team Fortress Classic players are not fans of the sequel.
Tan Zhenyu But that was only one map. And it's not widely used like 2fort and some others. I agree graphics matter on some games, but it shouldn't be the element that revolves around the gaming community that makes a game a good game. I can honestly tell you that despite GTA V being out, I know a lot more people who prefers GTA SA over that.
Graphic's do matter, the graphic is a huge part of the atmosphere, and atmosphere is in most games the reason why they are even fun. Amnesia as an example, think of an amnesia with banana land textures, that game would not be one of the best horror games ever, it would be a bad, because it ain't scary to look on ugly stuff. I do believe you wouldn't play Tf 2 as much as you may do now, if it had 2D Fire animations. A game is not just gameplay, that's straight up wrong, because no one would play a Battlefield if it looked like Super mario 64, because there is no real atmosphere of a war like situation.
The ability to pick up sentries really changed the way engineer was played in TF2. And also the ability to upgrade dispensers and teleport. After that update I was wondering how I ever managed before. :)
Giving the engu the ability to move his building made him a bit more mobile. Before, he really was the defense class he was intended to be. It's a good change, but it did make the class easier to play.
2:05 You've probably enabled Mousemove thing, it was a feature in old FPS games like Doom, Quake and probably Half-Life, where your mouse was linked to movement
At Valve the 2nd game of a series is usually VASTLY different and often more enjoyable and worth more money and time but you'll never have a 3rd installation EVER
@@nersie2814 CS 1.6 is kinda bad compared to Source or GO Source is just 1.6 but prettier and more balanced, GO expands on Source. I have tried many times to play 1.6 but it's filled to the brim with Spanish speaking servers and the gunplay feels like garbage.
Comment Guy its been forgotten by valve and all that it seems, they just didnt change the price and they made tf2 F2P for a reason idk, but i think tfc costs money because it was forgotten by valve and doesnt get new players much, but if you think about other old valve games, they cost money because people still buy them and play them
***** Is it still very on-going as I hope it to be? It's been many years since I've played this game, but I remember the dedication of the servers (be it fun servers, jump servers or regular servers), so there was really never a reason for me to get bored because of that sheer variation, one that I personally enjoy more than TF2's (TF2 has specific things I like more of course). Heck, I blew like 3500+ hours on this as opposed to the 2000 of TF2. I don't actually have the game anymore, which is why I ask.
I love this video. Kinda funny man I grew up on this game as a kid. It's absolutely nostalgia now but some aspects were hilarious like getting other teams sick. Or headshot body explosions. The obnoxious amount of ammo packs. But like I see you're amazing at rocket jumping and that was a jewel of this game too. I'm glad the soldier is one of the pretty much untouched classes to transfer over(also my favorite class in TF2).
That's what made this game so much fun. Yes there was a lot of spamming (especially respawn spam) but having grenades and secondary grenades made this game fun. Something they got rid of in TF2.
These children don't remember TFC how could they possibly appreciate it? If they were playing Half-Life when TFC came out their opinion would probably change. Fact is TFC contributed to the popularity of online gaming and deserves props.
I agree. You would think tf2 players would have respect for TFC because its the original team fortress game, and it is what created its great sequel. I like both games, why do people have to take sides?
TFC did indeed contribute to the popularity of online gaming and it does deserve props. It's also horribly dated and unbalanced, and simply doesn't hold up for a lot of people This comment section has gotten to the point where complaining about people complaining about people complaining has taken over the top comments; I'd say that's the point when we all need to go do something else
ComputerDude2600 I haven't seen anyone discuss TFC without mentioning something about either Spies/Pyros being useless, or Medics being god-tier. Usually all three. Valve themselves mentioned various somethings about hand grenades dominating the metagame (in the developer commentary version of Hydro)
Why are people raging so hard over him voicing his opinions? The reason why he does not like it is that he is too used to tf2 and probably cant get used to the mechanics of TFC, If he plays more of it he might start getting used to it and enjoy it more.
This is an old video, but the best part is that someone made a steam discussion about star and one guy was like "This STAR_ kid needs to watch this" and its just a 10 minute rambling from some dude about movement in games and how the new fps like cod suck cuz there is no movement in them and im sitting here like 3 years later writing this shitty comment xD
1. Team Fortress 2, the sequel, is what they are worried about now. They have stopped caring about TF Classic, beyond an update back in August of 2013. 2. TFC does not have an online store that requires people to use real money to buy, and two different accounts where the paid one provides more content.
Viper _ Read the recent Team Fortress 2 comic. The Classic mercenaries are hired by Grey Mann to kill the TF2 mercenaries and they are depicted as being older then they were in TFC. TFC comes before TF2.
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 in my opinion, I like TFCs gameplay way more than TF2s. TFC takes a lot more skill and takes a lot more movement to get good. TF2 just feels slow.
@@reeseekpuffs6498 tf2 feels slow because you havent mastered the movement. Sentry jumping, rocket jumping, trimping, sticky jumping, pill jumping, damage surfing, airblast jumping. id say tf2 takes more skill because of how much weapons are there to master and how many different playstyles there are
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 All of those things exist in TFC except trimping, airblast jumping and sentry jumping... but in TFC you have conc jumping which is actually crucial and regular frag grenade jumping which any class (except Scout) can do. Ultimately it's a very stupid argument because both games are based on Quake movement so they are extremely similar in that regard.
Dustbowl looks 10x better in this than TF2.. I mean, this map has more cover for defenders, Where TF2 has none. This looks even more rundown. Although I DO like the texture work in TF2. Oh, and valve, please continue the Territorial control maps... Hydro was kickass. now it's deserted...
***** It's not that hard to compare it when you get down to the 'core gameplay' of the whole thing. Like dustbowl (I think) instead of caps it's flags. The map and basic concept is pretty much the same nonetheless. I haven't played TFC classic in forever so don't take my word on this
***** Incase you're just unable to click that "Read More" button, I have stated I hadn't played the game in a while, meaning that I have vague memories of the game in general. It's obvious I'm just making this based on loose memories, so of course most of it would probably be wrong in your eyes, and it probably is. k bye
It was rather implemented rather well, but it was slighty rushed so the class balance was pretty bad but the gameplay was very fast paced and exiting...
I had COUNTLESS HOURS of fun with this game back in the day. Would go over to my neighbor friends house, we’d get on his computer, dial up to the internet and play some fucking awesome TFC for hours.
Someone in Spanish said: ''cambien mapa me da lag'' Wich means: ''Change the map, I have lag'' OMG, u srs? How the fuck can you have lag on TFC and on a fricking small map? Shittest PC EU#
Most people who criticize this game criticize for extremely bad reasons like graphics. Most people I've seen criticize this game on the review section and other Steam areas have played for less than an hour or slightly over an hour. That is not enough to know how this game works. It doesn't matter at all how good you are at Team Fortress 2. You can be the best Team Fortress 2 player in the world, but you could still be awful at Team Fortress Classic. You know what this means? You have to see it as a completely different game. Treat Team Fortress Classic as a new experience, and not just an older experience of a game you currently play. That's how I found it enjoyable after playing Team Fortress 2. Many people think that Team Fortress Classic is obsolete because of Team Fortress 2, but that's not true. There will always be a a reason to play Team Fortress Classic. Nostalgia is one, but there's more reasons to play it than just nostalgia. There's almost no other game like it. There's Fortress Forever, but it has less players even after the Steam release. Quake World Team Fortress also has less less players. Team Fortress Classic players don't like Team Fortress 2, but it's not always because of nostalgia. Most Team Fortress Classic veterans criticize Team Fortress 2 the same reason why Team Fortress 2 players criticize Team Fortress Classic. They couldn't accept change. That's what people need to start doing. The fact that Team Fortress 2 and Team Fortress Classic are in the same series is one of the reason why both games get hated either way. People try to see them as the same game because of that very reason, but seeing them as the same game just doesn't work. Some common complaints of Team Fortress 2 players include: 1. "It's too difficult!" Yes, but it's still possible to learn it. You don't have to master the game to have a good time with it, but you certainly should know at least the basics. 2. "The classes are so different!" Some classes work that way. You have to learn not to play scout as a fighter, but as a flag runner. You have to learn that medic isn't just a heavy's lover, and you have the ability to do much more. Just learn the basics of them. 3. "Everyone looks the same." Type tfc_newmodels 0 in the console. Gets the fresh old models in the game. Soldier and sniper are a bit hard to distinguish in this one, but all you need to do is get close or look at their poses. 4. "Grenades!" Grenades are spammed. There's no denying that even if you are a Team Fortress Classic veteran, but they still require a degree of skill. If you can have a grenade on your hand before your enemy does, you have a huge advantage. You should also start expecting them. This game wouldn't be the same without grenades. 5. "Every class has a shotgun." True, but scouts rarely fight, heavies, pyro, soldiers, and engineers already have them in Team Fortress 2, and shotguns work in a completely different way. They're more like a weak pistol than anything else. Five classes get a double-barrel which is the more punch packing one. There are more. TL;DR: The game isn't just Team Fortress 2, but older. Learn it before you criticize it.
There are plenty of reasons not to play this game. The combat mechanics are atrocious by modern standards, the player base is tiny and filled with brainless fanboys, it's overly complex for no justifiable reason, and the way information is displayed is very poorly designed. Sure, it may have been decent when it came out, but there are plenty of games, like quake that were even based on the same engine but still manage to stand the test of time infinitely better. There really is no reason to play this game when so many strictly better options are available. There. Is that a good enough explanation that is unrelated to graphics?
Kyl Harrt "There really is no reason to play this game when so many strictly better options are available." What options? TFC is a one-of-a-kind game with nothing that comes near it's gameplay. Sure, there is QWTF, but it's dead. There really are only bots in it. There's FF, but it's also dead, and the gameplay was incredibly dumbed down with automatic bhop and source engine physics. There's nothing that can be a truly great alternative for it. Also, I'd love for you to specify when you say "combat mechanics are atrocious and overly complex." I can't really think of any game that provides the same fast-paced experience as TFC that also has a good amount of players. Sure, TFC doesn't really have a lot of players, but it's a good enough amount to play it.
I enjoyed this game a lot as a kid, but I was never really a fan of the bullet-spongeyness of everyone. For sniping, I think you have to hold down the fire or aim button to charge its strength, signified by the red dot getting brighter.
As a diehard TFC player, it's absolutely hilarious to see new players from TF2 join thinking this game is *exactly* like TF2, and they instantly make the assumption that Scout is an extremely powerful class that can 2 shot everyone and everything. They all die 100% of the time, every time. "(2)Player THE SCOUT EVERYBODY! HE WILL SAVE US ALL!!"
As a New TFC player who mainly plays TF2 I say best first class to start off as are Heavy or Demo . .. ..Maybe engi . Medic are more moderate to expert as they are the REAL scout role in TFC with that weird shock wave grenade yall fly around .
I feel so strongly on this, I used to play this game non stop with my friends, we all used to lug our computers around, mostly to my house cause at the time I had a huge room, it was hilarious, my friends would bring the towers over and computer monitors and hook them up in my computer room, I would have 7 people in at a time, everyone playing on their rigs, it was like mission impossible inside that room, so many wires going everywhere. Im 29 now and I would go back and relive every possible moment of this time growing up, I cant say I miss it cause I still play games like Sven Coop with some close friends of mine, so we still live it out, but to have that many people in a small room was priceless, the jokes we made, the times we lived it could never be replaced. Gaming is just not how is used to be, sounds old of me to say, but you cant replace these memories, games will most likely never go back to this kind of style...and im gonna sound like a dick, but dude you suck at team fortress. This was a game where you had to smoke crack to watch every single area around you. I love it, and I love how this game is still alive, I still play it every now and then, on my favorite level 2fort. I hope this game never dies, and in my opinion is way better then tf2. It amazes me that people still play this and sven coop. Don't let the classics die!
To be fair, TFC has some really useless classes like Pyro and Spy. And the fun only begins when you are abusing glitches like bunnyhop or scripts to detonate buildings. TF2 is really way better and balanced.
@@Orang3Eric your right about that, they should have fixed it but. But it does not change my opinion on the game, those glitches just made you wanna get better against the ones who abused them. And you learned how to deal with them, the pyro was crazy with their secondary grenades, ive seen people take down rooms full of people with those grenades that spread fire.
@@toadburger well that's why its mine and not yours, everyone has their own opinion about it. I didn't like tf2 and one of the biggest reasons was the cell shading, I hate cell shaded games, never liked them, never will. If it wasn't so cartooney, I probably WOULD have liked it a ton more.
TFC is easily, or was the best team fps of all time. In it's prime it shit all over TF2 and i truly miss the ridiculously epic battles that raged in packed servers every night. I've played tf2 plenty to try and relive all of that but it honestly doesn't even come close to those days. Originally TF2 was supposed to be something ENTIRELY different than what we got, and that is so unfortunate considering how grand the original vision was for the game.
I understand why the Team Fortress classic members are the villians in the Tf2 comics.
The BLU TFC crew are the villains only
They were all tortured souls from Banana Land. 😆
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I played tfc an after five minutes and said in chat “welp I can officially say tf2 is better” and some people got mad at me
Star is acting like a CoD kid the first time a CoD kid plays TF2
***** He's saying that the textures in the game look similar to the uninitiated.
+The Wombat from Hell You're trying to be like those people who say military FPS games only have grey textures, bland textures, whatever. In TFC, each map has a different color, and a unique style. If you have not actually played TFC you cannot say "it actually sucks", not only because that is an opinion and you're stating it like it's a fact, but if you haven't *PLAYED* TFC, you can't actually judge it.
hahahaha military FPS are just bland textures? what FPS games do you play?
lol why did you Auto assume i play Cod? i dont and i only ever played until CoD 5 and never even been on online multiplayer most of what my FPS consists of is TF2 and that game is FULL of colors
The Wombat from Hell 1. TF2 has a lot more blood and gore then most military shooters
2. I AM SO VERY SORRY that english isnt my native speaking language
I like how the jungle inferno update actually added a banana land
where?
He's talking about Banana Bay, which has nothing on the CLASSIC Bananaland #Bananalandsweep
I bought TFC, and all the servers are empty.. all of them. Including Drippy's 2fort. Kind of wish I actually COULD play the game.
tfc is actually pretty active. evil battlezone in the morning EST, drippy's at all other hours
Ever heard of bots?
ledderfayes evil battle zone is always jumping. Averages like 12 players whenever I’m on
Lol its not,drippys 2fort is always full lol but its the only server that you can play on with normal number of people an no bots 10-20players at any time...but other servers use bots and have 5-10players without bots or even less players than that with a lot of bots.TFC is still pretty active,its actually only one of the 4 games active in 2020 that are based in gldsrc engine
@@marijafilipovic7398 man its been a solid 10-15 years for me. would be fun to hit some CONC jumps
they should make a Bananaland map in tf2
There is one actually. I used to know the server that had it but it's gone
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Just with a different texture.
I like to think that this one guy took a picture of his grass and made it into a texture, then was so proud of it that he made an entire map out of it.
"dude, you're getting pretty mad, I don't even know if _you_ are gonna make this video".
man, jerma is the greatest
"you know team fortress 2, great game i love that!" - Ster 2013
Times have changed
(Old Snake voice)TF2.... has changed
well its not all tf2s fault, not tf2s fault he was ddosed on an april fools stream
That Guy I just feel happy looking at his twitter and second channel. Might not be playing tf2, but he’s enjoying what he’s doing.
You might be happy these days, he uploaded some tf2 vids
What really upsets me is that shaft where ster explains "THERE'S NOTHING UP THERE" and fires up at the ceiling, you can clearly see that is a room. I don't know what's in banana-land and I'll never know.
I don’t think there is, I think the rocket launcher decal just didn’t spread to the walls
There are banana collectibles on the map.
I watched this before bed and had a nightmare that my boss sent me away for work to bananaland
This game was all you needed for multiplayer action back in the day.
Trying to explain it to my friends, who at the time would think 'split screen Goldeneye' if I were to mention multiplayer FPS games, was pretty much impossible. They just had to see it with their own eyes.
Yeah, "split-screen Goldeneye" exactly sums up multiplayer FPS back in '99.
Star's complaints here are so dumb. He sounds like a spoiled kid because all he did before is TF2. Was he even old enough to play video games in the 90s?
@@AB0BA_69 did your grandchildren love this game too?
@@DeathMagpyyyyy No, but I did.
Quite sad that nowadays is the opposite
As sniper in Tf Classic , you use the classic
From Tf2
+Tommy Lu ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
That's why it's called "Classic" in TF2
You should be a detective.
Wasn't in game
To anyone clicking on this
try watching banana land in 144p
link?
Kira Eisler Video quality setting?
bobby bob
No, link to the video
Kira Eisler click the gear in youtube payer as star is playing tfc
I'm on a devise :|
funny thing is this game is paid on steam and tf2 is free
Funny thing: This game is legend, can't be compared to TF2 where 75% of player are either children,F2P haters, noobs and e.t.c
Draconiz yeah, good old 2007 where cosmetic didnt exist yet
Plague Mark II ill admit it was pretty boring back then
Yeah boring game and some idiots always think it's better than tf2.
Wow. Can you believe people have their own opinions? Holy crap!
When i go to the comment section i see people complaining about the comment section.
Complain-ception
Beraat Tekin It's not like you stole that comment or anything
Comment-ception
+ethan marshall Totally. He is totally original...
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I JUST REALISED THEY'RE PLAYING ON DUBSPOL
+Snowflake the Shiny Eevee ♀ I think it's called dustbowl
That's what he said, Dubspol
That shiny eevee looks so cute!
I'm so glad that TF2 improved so much in the art direction of the franchise, I would probably would've never even consider touching TF2 if it was another modern realistic, boring looking game that we have too much of these days.
In videogames:
Style > Realism
Gameplay> Art Style BTW....
TFC is just as unrealistic as TF2 when it comes to it's gameplay, actually. It's VERY high paced and explosion time compared to say, CS 1.6, made the same year...
I know, I'm just saying that if TF2 didn't have the art style and overall personality the game is known for, I would've probably never been interested enough to try it, and I argue that the art direction is very important during the development cycle of a videogame, because it will determine the kind of logic the game will follow, well, at least in most cases.
TF2’s art style is also critical in that it makes everything easy to see, which is a huge and noticeable difference versus this game where everything is blurry mud
Guys did you know that the Engineer in the classic is Engi's Dad in Tf2!
personally i'm more interested in TF2 than TFC, maybe it's just because i like the humor in it along with the classes designs and back-stories/personalities. But that's just my opinion.
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Team Fortress Classic has this appealing "Off the Rails" feeling, everything is very fast and jagged, it's certainly an experience
Team Fortress 2 has a more refined, cartoony and rounded art style, with a slower pace. Besides the similar classes and maps, they're completely different games. I enjoy the quirkiness of both.
Every now and again I’ll just think “Bananaland,” and come back to this video.
I'm the same with sock em bopper hevies and "buffalovingazeffolocheese".
When you’ve played TF2 for so long that you recognized the maps immediately
Yep, Well, Dustbowl, and 2Fort were originally from here.
As a person, that has played TF2 in 2012, and TFC in 2014, I gotta say, both of these games are amazing. I can appreaciate both of the games, for what they are. I just hate when people complain about how: "TFC's better cuz' bhop" or "TF2's better cuz' hats". If there was no TFC, there would be no TF2. I don't care if you hate TFC or not, but at least appreaciate the fact, that it even exists. While TFC is for more advanced players, with it's BHop, Concs and other stuff. TF2 is a more relaxing experience. Again, I love both of these games, I just hate when people complain about which one is better.
If Team Fortress Classic never existed,there would be a Team Fortress 2,except it would be a free mod to Doom 3 or Quake 4,since the original Team Fortress was a mod for Quake.
Peter X Don TF2 IS BETTER
Peter X Don I started Steam in 2010-2011. I love the original half-life even after playing TF2, HL2, Insurgency etc.
Well technically TFC was only released as a demo for the Source Gold Engine. They would have made TF2 if TFC didn't exist.
No offense im sure it's a fun game but from first impression it looks like it's pretty bad
TFC: No Hats or New Weapons
TF2: No Granades and Infection
and no Hunted on TF2, so TFC wins :D
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The Graphics don't care only the gameplay
i absolutely love how you take it so seriously, MY faith in humanity just stepped even lower
Tomek Tomek huehuehuehuehue your jimmies have been rustled
MSTVD please stop, this is just embarrasing
My Grandchildren loved this!
Frollzor
no, im not your grandchilldren
Shut up Kleiner, we all know you're a virgin.
Calm down boys, I made cookies!
Conor Brown he has grand children through adoption then, and someone like you who comments this is probably a virgin anyways
yeaaaaah all the cookies gone
this comment section gave me 200 types of cancer
200 types
all at once
my blood hurts
you've only seen the HALF of it, 1 year later and you'll have ALL the cancer. and all of the aids as dessert with a side of heart failure.
We'll have to put you down then.,,
Your pic fits your comment XD
CookedChef Wait, this comment if familiar....
CookedChef like Zepheniah Mann!
If you never played TFC here is how it goes:
-Bots shoot you 24/7 and don't get the flag (Yeah, bots are needed cause only like 3 servers have real people)
-People (not bots) do nothing but capture the flag
-Grenades are spammed
-Everyone seems to take infinite damage and still not die
-The only classes you need are Engineer, Heavy, and Medic
-Everyone has a (useless) shotgun
J Garcia The servers have more than 3 people..
Classified Lobby 3 servers ≠ 3 people... read it right.
+J Garcia TFC has an armor system, hence why everyone has "infinite health". That's also the reason why grenades are used, to weaken your opponents.
Not 3 servers with people. It's 7 or 8
Hearing the frustration of a TF2 player playing TFC for the first time ever is AMAZING! God I miss TFC
This is probably how I sounded playing TF2 the first time going "What? No grenades?! You mean I'm supposed to actually WALK across this whole F**king level?!
play twisted
two years later,still couldnt see the sniper crosshair
+SPACE DOGE Hence why most players just get custom ones from a variety of websites.
Has anyone ever actually been able to see the crosshair when ster_ is sniping? Cause I've spent a good 15 minutes looking at the frame where he snipes the engineer and I still can't see it...
same it's like it's not there
just force of habit? i'm not trying to pay an omage to him or anything, it's just what he used to call himself. no need to get so butthurt about it
I can. he's doing the sniping wrong though. he needs to hold the shoot button for the red big crosshair.
1:03 when he's looking at the blood on the wall
Gamer Player Yes, that's why the Classic sniper rifle in Team Fortress 2 is named the Classic. It uses the exact mechanics that the Team Fortress Classic sniper rifle did.
1.4k people's grandchildren loved this when they were little boys
Seriously guys, graphics do not make a game. It's a shitty reason to hate a game, the gameplay looks decent and you don't have to worry about various weapons with different stats or abilities, this truly tests how good you are with the given weapons for each class. I think this might be a fun game for me to try personally,
It's not bad, just dated; TF2 improved strongly on the gameplay mechanics.
Well it's one thing to call it dated cause it is, but calling out right bad because it looks nothing like TF2 is rude to me. It was praised highly as a game during its time for a reason, it deserves some type of respect. Some gamers these are just ungrateful.
Matthew Riley Depends.
Team Fortress 2 did make the series more causal-friendly by changing its gameplay mechanics, and that is the main reason why a majority of Team Fortress Classic players are not fans of the sequel.
Tan Zhenyu But that was only one map. And it's not widely used like 2fort and some others. I agree graphics matter on some games, but it shouldn't be the element that revolves around the gaming community that makes a game a good game. I can honestly tell you that despite GTA V being out, I know a lot more people who prefers GTA SA over that.
Graphic's do matter, the graphic is a huge part of the atmosphere, and atmosphere is in most games the reason why they are even fun. Amnesia as an example, think of an amnesia with banana land textures, that game would not be one of the best horror games ever, it would be a bad, because it ain't scary to look on ugly stuff.
I do believe you wouldn't play Tf 2 as much as you may do now, if it had 2D Fire animations.
A game is not just gameplay, that's straight up wrong, because no one would play a Battlefield if it looked like Super mario 64, because there is no real atmosphere of a war like situation.
You think this is a big change, try Team Fortress 1 (1996)
What about the other TF's, the military one's
Kel Dos That was an early form of TF2 that was never released.
QTF, TFC best, never player FF tho
EarthCrash Why do you like yourself btw.?
Kel Dos Because I find myself to be an enjoyable person.
The ability to pick up sentries really changed the way engineer was played in TF2. And also the ability to upgrade dispensers and teleport. After that update I was wondering how I ever managed before. :)
Giving the engu the ability to move his building made him a bit more mobile. Before, he really was the defense class he was intended to be. It's a good change, but it did make the class easier to play.
0:10 This was probably the last time that STAR claimed to like TF2.
My only memory of tfc is getting stung by a wasp and freaking out
this is tf1?
christ it is 1000% different.
This is a revork of tf1
Tf one has only 5 classes and looks like doom
2:05 You've probably enabled Mousemove thing, it was a feature in old FPS games like Doom, Quake and probably Half-Life, where your mouse was linked to movement
This is a very underated game. It recieved Critical Acclaim upon release. I love Team Fortress 2. But this game also needs respect.
I can't find Banana land on the server list :(
Why does this comment have so many likes? ._. I found out that Bananaland was the map they were playing.
***** Wanna cookie?
***** show less plies
"What is this? A crosshair for ants?" LOL.
Thanks for posting the video. Always wondered what the old TF looked like...
That moment when the newer game in the same series is free to play
At Valve the 2nd game of a series is usually VASTLY different and often more enjoyable and worth more money and time but you'll never have a 3rd installation EVER
@@sosig6445 laughs in cs 1.6
@@nersie2814 CS 1.6 is kinda bad compared to Source or GO
Source is just 1.6 but prettier and more balanced, GO expands on Source. I have tried many times to play 1.6 but it's filled to the brim with Spanish speaking servers and the gunplay feels like garbage.
@@evdestroy5304 func_vehicle and riot shields that's why
Why the fuck does TFC cost money but TF2 doesnt?
tf2 costed money before but it went f2p
Comment Guy its been forgotten by valve and all that it seems, they just didnt change the price and they made tf2 F2P for a reason idk, but i think tfc costs money because it was forgotten by valve and doesnt get new players much, but if you think about other old valve games, they cost money because people still buy them and play them
Comment Guy TFC does not have an Economy.
+Comment Guy
Team Fortress Two is free. No wonder the servers are filled with kids :/
+Ink's Incorporated Incorporation TFC was free with HL1 back in '98.
-Oh, you wanna see something else really funny?
-No.
Surprising how people still play this game. Nostalgia maybe?
***** Is it still very on-going as I hope it to be? It's been many years since I've played this game, but I remember the dedication of the servers (be it fun servers, jump servers or regular servers), so there was really never a reason for me to get bored because of that sheer variation, one that I personally enjoy more than TF2's (TF2 has specific things I like more of course). Heck, I blew like 3500+ hours on this as opposed to the 2000 of TF2.
I don't actually have the game anymore, which is why I ask.
Cool. It's nice to see "old" games like these still being enjoyed.
CS:S is le best for nostalgia
Cheesy Gonzalez I still play it :(
***** I'm not. I'm just saying that it's old. :P
This game was super fun back in the day. People actually tried to push flags and stuff.
The good ol days 😢
I want to see Star_ and Jerma play Fortress Forever, or even the original Quake Team Fortress..
Hi clayguy09 remember me on steam? We always talk xD
These games are ghost towns now
It took me way too long to realise they were playing on dustbowl
if only it was KFC
but its TFC
yes, it, can
Amen, brother.
if only everything was KFC.
Unrelated question. Are you black?
Racist! :O
TFC : the game where you have to become a pro in order to find any enjoyment in it.
The learning curve does suck, but it’s incredibly enjoyable once you get pass it.
@@lucifersam7946 like i said. "First you get good at my game, then you can have fun playing it"
as a tfc fan, this is super false and i feel this vid did more damage then was necessary to a good game
@@elfascisto6549 That’s exactly how TF2 is
I saw a bananaland spray in TF2 the other day and laughed.
I wish 90% of the servers in TFC weren't filled with bots, it would be way easier to find active servers.
and i could finally take the role of the civilian >:( stupid Lurgoyf bot always hogging the civilian spot
damn this aged like wine
oh my god is this a loop
I love this video. Kinda funny man I grew up on this game as a kid. It's absolutely nostalgia now but some aspects were hilarious like getting other teams sick. Or headshot body explosions. The obnoxious amount of ammo packs. But like I see you're amazing at rocket jumping and that was a jewel of this game too. I'm glad the soldier is one of the pretty much untouched classes to transfer over(also my favorite class in TF2).
That's what made this game so much fun. Yes there was a lot of spamming (especially respawn spam) but having grenades and secondary grenades made this game fun. Something they got rid of in TF2.
@@AJice1980 Glad they did.
Holy shit! 2:38 That is Dustbowl! Man, the older maps in tf2 might be criticized for being crowded and spammy but they will always be recognizable.
This video in a nutshell: WTF IS THIS, WTF IS THAT?! The End.
These children don't remember TFC how could they possibly appreciate it? If they were playing Half-Life when TFC came out their opinion would probably change. Fact is TFC contributed to the popularity of online gaming and deserves props.
I agree. You would think tf2 players would have respect for TFC because its the original team fortress game, and it is what created its great sequel. I like both games, why do people have to take sides?
TFC did indeed contribute to the popularity of online gaming and it does deserve props. It's also horribly dated and unbalanced, and simply doesn't hold up for a lot of people
This comment section has gotten to the point where complaining about people complaining about people complaining has taken over the top comments; I'd say that's the point when we all need to go do something else
***** I don't see how its unbalanced, but I would agree that at least for todays standards its pretty dated, but it was great for its time.
ComputerDude2600 I haven't seen anyone discuss TFC without mentioning something about either Spies/Pyros being useless, or Medics being god-tier. Usually all three. Valve themselves mentioned various somethings about hand grenades dominating the metagame (in the developer commentary version of Hydro)
***** Weird, I've never heard that before.
"I'm gonna offend somebody, but I don't like this!" Oh how he never knew...
Why are people raging so hard over him voicing his opinions? The reason why he does not like it is that he is too used to tf2 and probably cant get used to the mechanics of TFC, If he plays more of it he might start getting used to it and enjoy it more.
So weird seeing the maps in their classic design, takes me a while to realise which one is what, except 2fort that's easy to tell
2Fort, Well, and Dustbowl.
@@lucifersam7946 Good point
No hats c:
You cannot customize anything, I check it.
Unless it's a skin.
0/10 no hats -ign (?)
WHY ARE YOU SMILING? THERE IS NO HAATS >:l
***** XDXDXDXD.
I just realized the map was gravelpit
*dustbowl
*dubspol
@@therandomperson02 *dubdsodklpol
Dustdool
@@ThePawelo222 thats late af
This is an old video, but the best part is that someone made a steam discussion about star and one guy was like "This STAR_ kid needs to watch this" and its just a 10 minute rambling from some dude about movement in games and how the new fps like cod suck cuz there is no movement in them and im sitting here like 3 years later writing this shitty comment xD
TF2 : Free To Play 2014 Constantly updated
TFC : Paid to Play, 1999 Never updated..... why is Valve still forcing people to pay for this?
Valve basically gave up on TFC.
1. Team Fortress 2, the sequel, is what they are worried about now. They have stopped caring about TF Classic, beyond an update back in August of 2013.
2. TFC does not have an online store that requires people to use real money to buy, and two different accounts where the paid one provides more content.
EarthCrash
TF2 is actually the prequel to TFC.
Gordon Freeman I'll have you know that the comic has these new mercenaries as evil! Evil people always come first. Therefore, Half Life 3 confirmed.
Viper _ Read the recent Team Fortress 2 comic.
The Classic mercenaries are hired by Grey Mann to kill the TF2 mercenaries and they are depicted as being older then they were in TFC. TFC comes before TF2.
This game may have been great, but boy did it not age well.
@UKSKIDS graphics are fine. gameplay seems poopy compared to tf2, cant see why you would spend money on a worse version of tf2
@Shellpox lad you need a new computer if it cant run a 13 year old game running on a 16 year old engine
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 in my opinion, I like TFCs gameplay way more than TF2s. TFC takes a lot more skill and takes a lot more movement to get good. TF2 just feels slow.
@@reeseekpuffs6498 tf2 feels slow because you havent mastered the movement. Sentry jumping, rocket jumping, trimping, sticky jumping, pill jumping, damage surfing, airblast jumping. id say tf2 takes more skill because of how much weapons are there to master and how many different playstyles there are
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 All of those things exist in TFC except trimping, airblast jumping and sentry jumping... but in TFC you have conc jumping which is actually crucial and regular frag grenade jumping which any class (except Scout) can do. Ultimately it's a very stupid argument because both games are based on Quake movement so they are extremely similar in that regard.
Tf2 player:I know everything about Team fortress.
TFC and TFQ player:Yeah,keep talking.
***** The more you know.
Jerma's glee and optimism are the cherry on top for this video.
"so I come from TF2 with certain expectations. None of them were met."
You were expecting an older game to be the same as the newer one?
Dustbowl looks 10x better in this than TF2.. I mean, this map has more cover for defenders, Where TF2 has none. This looks even more rundown. Although I DO like the texture work in TF2. Oh, and valve, please continue the Territorial control maps... Hydro was kickass. now it's deserted...
Hydro is horrible and probably the reason for the lack of Territorial control maps.
Kyle Sparkle Who even said anything about facts?
What are you talking about?
I really miss hydro
I want banana land for TF2
Tf3: banana. land. 2.0!!! GABE, WE NEED IT!!!
Well, we have banana bay now, but it don't have the classic weed texture everywhere
TFC is probably better then tf2 in some aspects.
but everyone is so serious :^(
*****
It's not that hard to compare it when you get down to the 'core gameplay' of the whole thing.
Like dustbowl (I think) instead of caps it's flags. The map and basic concept is pretty much the same nonetheless.
I haven't played TFC classic in forever so don't take my word on this
*****
all i can think of with that is GRENADES.
*****
Incase you're just unable to click that "Read More" button, I have stated I hadn't played the game in a while, meaning that I have vague memories of the game in general. It's obvious I'm just making this based on loose memories, so of course most of it would probably be wrong in your eyes, and it probably is. k bye
nope,Fortress Forever is the best
***** in germany,only like 4 are in 1 month online whats sad :(
Those are some really nice graphics for 1999. The shadowing and the textures are amazing
Team fortress classic was a lot of excelent ideas that really weren't perfected.
It was rather implemented rather well, but it was slighty rushed so the class balance was pretty bad but the gameplay was very fast paced and exiting...
I literally puked after playing banana land. my computer roasted. i had to buy a new one.
Patrick Holensaber Bananaland is a shitty custom map made by potheads, it's not part of the main game...
EarthCrash Well said. If a person judge any game because of ONE bad custom made map ( like banana land ) they're not clear in the head.
team fortress classic is a modified version of doom
I were once addicted at TF Classic when I was still a young lad...
TF classic was the shit back then
I had COUNTLESS HOURS of fun with this game back in the day. Would go over to my neighbor friends house, we’d get on his computer, dial up to the internet and play some fucking awesome TFC for hours.
These comments really make me hate both the TF2 and TFC communities.
*communities
In other words, he has moved on.
***** Hats are love...........Hats are life.........
***** have you tried the various gamemodes? x10 randomizer and uberupgrades are super fun.
Hats SUUUUUCCCCKKKK
Absolutely classic game and video! "BANANA LAND!" I just love the entire old charm and feel of the old gold source stuff! 😅😆👍🏻
god its hard to remember that jerma was once a tf2ber
1:04 oh thats why the classic is the classic. at this time we didn't know you have to hold fire to charge up a shot
4:04 That was when I completely lost it
Error 404
Someone in Spanish said: ''cambien mapa me da lag''
Wich means: ''Change the map, I have lag''
OMG, u srs? How the fuck can you have lag on TFC and on a fricking small map?
Shittest PC EU#
Bigger or smaller maps make a difference on low end PCs.
Maybe he's playing on a American Server or some shit,i mean, he's not even American, didn't you think of that, smartass?
BreakBitz I don't have a lot of lag and I'm Spanish, butthurt much?
Andrusto100 How is that a valid excuse? we're talking about the guy in the server, not you.
s4n714g000 I know, I was talking about being in another country doesn't means you have a lot of lag.
THERES NO REASON TO BE IN BANANLAND ,OK SO I COLLECTED THE STUPID HALO LET ME GO OUT THIS DOOR , WAIT NO SUK U TO THE WALL its so funny!
There's to many people complaining bout the comments idk what they were even talking about and now I'm complaining about people complaining lol
Most people who criticize this game criticize for extremely bad reasons like graphics. Most people I've seen criticize this game on the review section and other Steam areas have played for less than an hour or slightly over an hour. That is not enough to know how this game works. It doesn't matter at all how good you are at Team Fortress 2. You can be the best Team Fortress 2 player in the world, but you could still be awful at Team Fortress Classic. You know what this means? You have to see it as a completely different game. Treat Team Fortress Classic as a new experience, and not just an older experience of a game you currently play. That's how I found it enjoyable after playing Team Fortress 2. Many people think that Team Fortress Classic is obsolete because of Team Fortress 2, but that's not true. There will always be a a reason to play Team Fortress Classic. Nostalgia is one, but there's more reasons to play it than just nostalgia. There's almost no other game like it. There's Fortress Forever, but it has less players even after the Steam release. Quake World Team Fortress also has less less players.
Team Fortress Classic players don't like Team Fortress 2, but it's not always because of nostalgia. Most Team Fortress Classic veterans criticize Team Fortress 2 the same reason why Team Fortress 2 players criticize Team Fortress Classic. They couldn't accept change. That's what people need to start doing. The fact that Team Fortress 2 and Team Fortress Classic are in the same series is one of the reason why both games get hated either way. People try to see them as the same game because of that very reason, but seeing them as the same game just doesn't work.
Some common complaints of Team Fortress 2 players include:
1. "It's too difficult!" Yes, but it's still possible to learn it. You don't have to master the game to have a good time with it, but you certainly should know at least the basics.
2. "The classes are so different!" Some classes work that way. You have to learn not to play scout as a fighter, but as a flag runner. You have to learn that medic isn't just a heavy's lover, and you have the ability to do much more. Just learn the basics of them.
3. "Everyone looks the same." Type tfc_newmodels 0 in the console. Gets the fresh old models in the game. Soldier and sniper are a bit hard to distinguish in this one, but all you need to do is get close or look at their poses.
4. "Grenades!" Grenades are spammed. There's no denying that even if you are a Team Fortress Classic veteran, but they still require a degree of skill. If you can have a grenade on your hand before your enemy does, you have a huge advantage. You should also start expecting them. This game wouldn't be the same without grenades.
5. "Every class has a shotgun." True, but scouts rarely fight, heavies, pyro, soldiers, and engineers already have them in Team Fortress 2, and shotguns work in a completely different way. They're more like a weak pistol than anything else. Five classes get a double-barrel which is the more punch packing one.
There are more.
TL;DR: The game isn't just Team Fortress 2, but older. Learn it before you criticize it.
+Nick E. *slowly claps*
Amen. Well said.
+Nick E. It is the same as criticize CS as they use same engine, but everyone should know that it is superior in every way to CS GO, except graphic!
There are plenty of reasons not to play this game. The combat mechanics are atrocious by modern standards, the player base is tiny and filled with brainless fanboys, it's overly complex for no justifiable reason, and the way information is displayed is very poorly designed. Sure, it may have been decent when it came out, but there are plenty of games, like quake that were even based on the same engine but still manage to stand the test of time infinitely better. There really is no reason to play this game when so many strictly better options are available. There. Is that a good enough explanation that is unrelated to graphics?
Kyl Harrt "There really is no reason to play this game when so many strictly better options are available." What options? TFC is a one-of-a-kind game with nothing that comes near it's gameplay. Sure, there is QWTF, but it's dead. There really are only bots in it. There's FF, but it's also dead, and the gameplay was incredibly dumbed down with automatic bhop and source engine physics. There's nothing that can be a truly great alternative for it. Also, I'd love for you to specify when you say "combat mechanics are atrocious and overly complex."
I can't really think of any game that provides the same fast-paced experience as TFC that also has a good amount of players. Sure, TFC doesn't really have a lot of players, but it's a good enough amount to play it.
I enjoyed this game a lot as a kid, but I was never really a fan of the bullet-spongeyness of everyone.
For sniping, I think you have to hold down the fire or aim button to charge its strength, signified by the red dot getting brighter.
Indeed.
I can't be the only tf2 player who couldn't care less about hats.
***** Agreed. I love TF2, but hats are useless.
Sir derpingtons Yes, I did!
Hats do suck. And people make fun of people who aren't willing to spend REAL money on virtual hats. It's fucking stupid
Mazze It's your opinion, so it needs to be respected.
I hate hats
4:23 it even featured bananaland_r on his video even after I saw it from Whomobile.
>bananaland
>weed textures
this map was made by jamaicans
The Sniper he was using, I have that in Team Fortress 2
+DeatBeat Now you know why it's called "The Classic".
Yeah, I came to the thought of that
+Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart Same with the original, it's a recolored version of the rocket launcher from deathmatch classic
SocksAndHats Which dates back to Quake, the parent game to the original Team Fortress.
Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart Oh, cool I didn't know that it had the original, the only reason I knew DMC had it was because I have DMC
I think the saddest thing is that this is probably more playable than TF2 is now.
As a diehard TFC player, it's absolutely hilarious to see new players from TF2 join thinking this game is *exactly* like TF2, and they instantly make the assumption that Scout is an extremely powerful class that can 2 shot everyone and everything. They all die 100% of the time, every time.
"(2)Player THE SCOUT EVERYBODY! HE WILL SAVE US ALL!!"
As a New TFC player who mainly plays TF2 I say best first class to start off as are Heavy or Demo . .. ..Maybe engi .
Medic are more moderate to expert as they are the REAL scout role in TFC with that weird shock wave grenade yall fly around .
Banana land doesn't even look like bananas.
the only thing with bananas in it was that there was a banana over all the player's heads.
No wonder why no one plays classic anymore
I feel so strongly on this, I used to play this game non stop with my friends, we all used to lug our computers around, mostly to my house cause at the time I had a huge room, it was hilarious, my friends would bring the towers over and computer monitors and hook them up in my computer room, I would have 7 people in at a time, everyone playing on their rigs, it was like mission impossible inside that room, so many wires going everywhere. Im 29 now and I would go back and relive every possible moment of this time growing up, I cant say I miss it cause I still play games like Sven Coop with some close friends of mine, so we still live it out, but to have that many people in a small room was priceless, the jokes we made, the times we lived it could never be replaced. Gaming is just not how is used to be, sounds old of me to say, but you cant replace these memories, games will most likely never go back to this kind of style...and im gonna sound like a dick, but dude you suck at team fortress. This was a game where you had to smoke crack to watch every single area around you. I love it, and I love how this game is still alive, I still play it every now and then, on my favorite level 2fort. I hope this game never dies, and in my opinion is way better then tf2. It amazes me that people still play this and sven coop. Don't let the classics die!
To be fair, TFC has some really useless classes like Pyro and Spy. And the fun only begins when you are abusing glitches like bunnyhop or scripts to detonate buildings. TF2 is really way better and balanced.
That tf2 opinion is pretty out there dude
@@Orang3Eric your right about that, they should have fixed it but. But it does not change my opinion on the game, those glitches just made you wanna get better against the ones who abused them. And you learned how to deal with them, the pyro was crazy with their secondary grenades, ive seen people take down rooms full of people with those grenades that spread fire.
@@toadburger well that's why its mine and not yours, everyone has their own opinion about it. I didn't like tf2 and one of the biggest reasons was the cell shading, I hate cell shaded games, never liked them, never will. If it wasn't so cartooney, I probably WOULD have liked it a ton more.
TFC is easily, or was the best team fps of all time. In it's prime it shit all over TF2 and i truly miss the ridiculously epic battles that raged in packed servers every night. I've played tf2 plenty to try and relive all of that but it honestly doesn't even come close to those days. Originally TF2 was supposed to be something ENTIRELY different than what we got, and that is so unfortunate considering how grand the original vision was for the game.
idk why, but i just lostit at 7:04 when sgt heartmen came on
Holy Jesus, What is that? What THE fUCK IS THAT?
Somebody here is an obvious full metal jacket fan.
And then Valve came
I once joined a TFC server, and someone was complaining about EVERYTHING that happened since the year 2000.
Never again.
This is why they made a second one.
TFC was made because they wanted to test out the development kit they were going to use to make TF2. TFC isn't a bad game.
spy Google is your friend.
spy No, you.
spy [Citation Needed]
spy Please support your claim with strong evidence and sound reasoning.