TF2 VS TFC: The Evolution of the Soldier
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
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Intro: 0:00
Round 1: 1:39
Round 2: 2:21
Round 3: 2:33
Round 4: 3:22
Round 5: 4:20
Round 6: 5:13
Round 7: 7:15
Final Round: 11:22 - Ігри
tf2 soldier wins by default because rick may won over our hearts 🫡
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"Rockets in TF2 are not particularly fast compared to some other projectiles"
I'd like to point out that, in TF2, crossbow bolts, syringes, arrows, and a meat cleaver are all faster than _a rocket._
Makes sense
Funny how that never struck me as odd
syringes are slower but yeaa
Keep in mind that meat cleaver was yeeted by a fast Boston crackhead with a super shotgun
@@cyanideytandcuriousseadogg4160 he also survives chugging actual RADIATION
Do Spy or Medic next, they actually changed A LOT.
I feel like both TF2 classes would win pretty quickly. Uber and cloak are pretty damn strong.
@cheezkid26 Not sure about spy here, but I'm pretty sure TFC Medic stomps tf2. Uber doesn't really help if Medic can't attack during it, and the only thing that Medic potentially has is Melee on his side. Meanwhile TFC can literally infect and do pretty good damage, he has far better weapons compared to the syringe gun (heck he has a super syringe gun), and has regeneration also. From what I know, TF2 Medic is only good for support, and TFC is good for fighting for themselves.
I'd say TFC Med vs TF2 Scout would be 10x cooler to see.
yeah tf2 is an easy win for both
@@wesleyfuccaro8821nah tfc medic is better
Spy in tfc is better cause it has a shotgun, poison grenades which infect you until you die, he has grenades, bhop and many stabs like neck stab for example. In tf2 you can look back and kill the spy but in tfc, if he catch you up, you are dead
"The rocket launcher VS the other rocket launcher"
Ah, truly a battle for the ages.
I like how fast he just gave up when he suggested the Bison.
I feel like TFC's rocket launcher having higher knockback and slower rockets might give them a significant disadvantage against TF2 soldier in a direct 1 on 1, making it harder to track and land hits where TF2's rocket jumping is such an integral part of soldier's kit it would be easier to out maneuver and turn that to your advantage
Nah, it takes more skill to play with slow rockets, also you forgot about bhop. Scouts main are better than soldier mains in 1v1, now imagine that scout with more speed and a rocket launcher
@@franagustin3094 this fight wouldn’t have anything to do with player skill, and if we are taking height advantage the tf2 soldier would be better at air shots due to faster rockets and better at attacking from the air
Also found the scout main that hates direct hit solider’s
@@geoshark12 You have to take skill if you want to talk about 1v1 and tfc soldier is used to deal with faster players than tf2 soldier, so no, tfc soldier is better at attacking from the air. In addition, scout is stronger than soldier because of his movement, tfc soldier is faster than tf2 soldier because of bhop and with grenades is an easy lost for tf2 soldier which also would be losing his health because of rocket jumping which gives advantage for tfc soldier, who can damage from far with shotgun. Slow rockets take more skill too
@@franagustin3094 lol definitely a scunt
@@franagustin3094 if were going with “skill” instead of raw stats like the actual video then you would have to include the things from the comics as well as the unlock weapons in which case tf2 solider would win with a neck snap
What's hilarious is, this came out just minutes after I finished my binge of the rest of the series
no way man me too. i was sad there was no more and now it came out hell yea
10:18 Actually, it's not based on the distance the rocket was fired from, it's based on the distance the soldier is from his target. I know this not just from playing way too much soldier (doing sync-rocket divebombing), but there's a video out there somewhere (forgot who made it, sorry) who showed a soldier taking a teleporter to appear next to his target while the rocket travelled, and when it arrived it did max damage rampup.
i guess it was shounic
Same thing with the wrangler on Engie. Gotta love Source Spaghetti
6:02 this is the most dramatic spy death i have ever seen
I'm fairly confident that medic vs medic will be the only stomp for tfc. Not only does classic have the double barrel shotgun, but tf2 medic has what is clearly baby man's nail gun for damage unless he wants to risk getting in melee range.
It really depends on how how rank them, since tfc med is a powerful combat class and tf2 med is pretty worthless in combat but his healing and uber win entire games
If you count combat for medic then TFC has an obvious advantage but as a support class medic outclasses TFC so hard it's not even funny.
"But what kind of unlocks would It's the crossbow."
@@zebaguettefromfrance1287tfc also heals too. Not better than tf2 medic but he can
@@franagustin3094 yes but comparing TFC medic's medkit to the unparalleled game destroying potential of ubercharge just doesn't leave much room for argument. Ludwig is the king of support hands down.
Spy's death at 6:01 was way more dramatic than it had any right being
L4d zombie ahh death
Very interested to see Demoman, the weapons are so similar in concept yet function pretty differently
Plus, classic Demoman having the Single Barrel Shotgun might make it the only time in history that weapon wasn't worthless. Maybe.
I would think the single barrel shotgun still would not be good, It deals tiny damaged compared to the other stuff in his kit.
@@figro1988 Yeah, it does piss poor damage, but unless I'm remembering wrong, TFC Demoman doesn't have really anything that can hit people from long range, so low damage is better than no damage at that range
When it comes to TFC shotgun versus TF2 shotgun, I think you should call it based off of what class uses it, since different classes have uses for the shotgun. Like for Soldier, the shotgun is much more of close range weapon since the rocket launcher self damage is too dangerous for most close range fights, meaning the TF2 shotgun is better. But for Pyro (and to a lesser extant Heavy) the shotgun is more for picking off targets outside of your flamethrowers range or finishing low health targets running away, meaning the better range of the TFC shotgun is more important. It’s super subjective, but reflects the usefulness more imo
You're forgetting, tf2 soldier can't die after taking merasmus' entire bottle of "kill me come back stronger" pills. Victory by attrition
Fun Fact: Rocket Damage Falloff in TF2 is calculated by player distance to the explosion, not distance traveled.
I think Medic Vs Medic would be cool but making the video into 2 separate parts.
1-seeing which medic is the best at playing offensively
And 2-seeing which medic is the best at playing supportively.
(Mostly to let TF2 Medic stand a chance.)
TFC medic
-has real weapons (shootguns super needlegun Crowbar
-has grenades
-can protect himself
-can bunnyhop even fast than scout
-can poise enemy team with his medkit
-no one forces you to only heal people
Tf2 medic
-can ubercharge
-very bad weapons expect crussider
-hard to protect yourself even if you try to fight people will make fun of you
-can become powerfull with heavy
-has normal fast
-Cant go war zone without somoene
-his purpose more like just healing people more than fighting...
-The everyone loves but nobody plays
-entire team calls him and it makes him mad
Tfc medic=Combat Medic
Tf2 medic=Medic...
@@zussman_ TFC medic also had conc grenades alongside the regular ones he can jump with.
Imo in a 1v1 tfc medic annihilates tf2 medic and its not even close. He's so much faster and has much better equipment.
Think of it this way: tf2 medic *helps* you win games, tfc medic WINS the game.
@@superbrainz2357 kinda the point of the original comment. TFC is much more capable as it’s own class, while TF2 is built to rely on teamwork and strategy. Same reason it’s difficult to fight a heavy or demoman as a medic, unless you do some goofy ubersaw switching shit.
@@zussman_ every single class becomes powerful with heavy
TFC medic is better at healing. He can heal someone at 1 HP to full in less than a second with the med kit.
I couldn’t in good conscience put TF2 soldier under any other soldier. He IS the face of unrepentant stupid violence and power. Glory to our Stars and Stripes Savant!
AH. You're back. I was actually scared.
Me too!!
@@SquimJim hey can you do medic vs medic next?
Please do Engineer next, engineer may be interesting since buildings have been thrown into the mix.
(Also, aren’t the engineers relatives? If so, it would be cool to see who upheld their legacy better).
With buildings, tf2 engi win. Without them, tfc engi win because of EMP (that shit is the most unbalanced weapon of tfc)
Tfc engie is tf2 engie's dad
what did the emp do?
@@dande3208 It has a long range of distance, his damage traspass walls (if the emp is up to you, you will die cause its effect) and it gives you an instantly dead, not matter if you are full of health. Many engis use the emp for surprise attacks and it was unfair because you never knew when it was coming
Unrelated, but I happen to have that minifig in your profile pic!
TFC soldier having grenades also meant he could "double blast jump" mid air similar to how the Beggars Bazooka lets you overload jump.
2:53 I see you reusing that market garden footage, Squim. You can't fool me!
I did it ONE time! Now I'll reuse the footage for all eternity.
I still think counting grenades is pretty dumb, because in if you're gonna count something specific only for tfc why not count something specific only for tf2 by getting unlockables into the mix, or just as I wrote above, not count grenades at all.
Because grenades are base kit for tfc classes and unlockables are not.
@@superbrainz2357 still, it's a dumb freebie
keep in mind with the damage output that grenades can give a BIG boost in burst damage, you can land a rocket and grenade at the same time. I do however think that the crazy knockback from the tfc rockets could be a hindrance to a soldier not used to them, I forgot how insane it is
hoo, that was quick! glad to see this channel back in action
I waited a year for a new TF2 VS TFC video. It was worth it.
I think you kind of skimped on the details for rocket jumping. Yes, they are essentially equivalent in terms of health cost, but what else? Who jumps higher? Who can go faster? Is rocket jumping as necessary for movement in TFC as in TF2?
Theyre essentially the same to be honest. The main difference being TFC can bunnyhop out of a rocket jump in a way TF2 can't really.
@@SquimJim on the other hand faster rockets means that you can bomb much more safely.
@@vyor8837on the other hand, a grenade destroy soldier and you forgot his main grenade which take you the half of health. Rolls out would be a death for tf2 soldier and in distance, tfc soldier beat him
@@franagustin3094 you know. If the TFC guy could *hit* TF2 Soldier with those grenades... which he can't do.
And, uh, Tf2 soldier can walk out of the way of TFC's rockets, it's much harder to do that with TF2 soldier rockets unless you're playing Scout.
@@vyor8837 do you think he can't touch tf2 soldier with grenades? In the first moment that tf2 soldier go to floor, he would lost 75% of his health because of nail grenade and his rollouts. And tfc soldier is faster than scout if you add bhop, I don't think tf2 soldier is walking out all tfc soldier rockets
I'd say this is the most mathematically involved episode of TF2 VS TFC. Must have been a massive headache
I'd say TF2 should've won the shotgun round for Soldier. Yes the TFC double barrel shotgun is more consistent at longer ranges, but Soldier already has mid-to-long range covered with his rockets, so the much higher close range effectiveness of TF2's shotgun is more useful to him
No? TF2 doesn't cover long range with his rockets, they're unreliable for that. They deal worse damage than TFC super-shotgun. Also TFC soldier can simply avoid rockets lol. And why would he come closer if he has range advantage? So no, you're just wrong.
@@fantastikboom1094 We're not talking sniper sightline levels of distance here. That's why I said "mid to long range."
A major weakness of the rocket launcher is you can't use it at super close ranges without damaging yourself, and the TF2 shotgun is much more effective at close range than the TFC double barrel, so it covers that weakness better. The range the double barrel is effective at is more or less the same range that the rocket launcher goes out to, so it doesn't grant a range advantage and it doesn't cover the close range weakness.
I literally binged this series last night and there’s already a new episode. How!?
TFC has the power
But the TF2 Soldier has the charisma lol
More like TFC has the health boost, the TF2 has the damage boost.
@@apolloknight9521 in close ranges, yes, medium they are Kinda in a tie, and long-range tfc lack of damage falloff is insane, especially with the shotguns, it's warframe all over again where shotguns fell more like mini snipers lol
@@MariaFlores-KAII Shotgun pellets are easy to dodge? Hit-scan weapon? Ok...
@@MariaFlores-KAII And the dude you've replied to was clearly talking about shotguns. Learn to read before replying to someone. ☺
I'd love to see an Engi vs. Engi battle. Not only would it come down to the buildings and what they can do, but how fast they can be built and how much metal they cost to fully build first stage and upgrade it.
Holy ravioli is that me who appears on the description???!!!!
having a lot of rockets make enemy TFC engineer smile
RIP Rick May
Rocket jump your way to heaven to give god a sensible haircut
You DO have to remember that some of these lose because of Engine Limitations. Plus, they were porting a Quake Game to GOLDSRC.
Fun fact about Grenades: In TF2 pre release. The soldier and other classes were suppose to have grenades but it was overall cut
With good reason. Grenade Spam.
id love to see the tfc weapons get imported into tf2, maybe with more extreme adjustments to how they worked to make them more distinct from their newer counterparts
Single barrel shotgun would make for a funny fatscout weapon
10:20 A little correction: It's distance between the rocket impact and the shooter at moment of impact.
Hooray!! Its finally back up, glad to see you back
This is such a fun series!
I love seeing two of my favorite games being compared!
Wonder who's gonna compete next?
Engineer? Medic?
Hope you continue this series!
new SquimJim upload? YIPPEE!
Finally, a new TFCvTF2!
Pyro main here, I would like to thank you for giving that phlog pyro a speed boost as he was pushing out. It's little things like this that almost make me revert back into a medic main.
Been waiting for this, great video as always 👍
“Little bit of an upset”
…quite an understatement (correction a huge one) considering Soldier is my favorite class in game and having him lose this round hurts. I’m more upset TF2 Soldier lost this round. I was hoping he could win! “Would having his unlocks push the edge for TF2?”
Yes… it would if he had his unlocks he would win. You pointed out the Direct Hit could diminished half of TFC Soldier’s Health, especially with the speed of said rocket. It’s going to be a bit hard for me playing when soldier by the reminder he lost to his counterpart. But I’m still going to anyways, because I’ll not let some video comparison discourage me from playing my favorite TF2 Character since most of it is opinion based.
You may say Soldier lost, but I and many others, see him win by default. Both heart and soul. While I still disagree with the outcome of this match, I do want to see the other versus you have planned,
How about next time we do Medic vs Medic instead of comparing damage though we compare heal rates and see which is better? Or maybe overall damage + healing not sure how you would precisely go about that one.
I think he should take the closest battle from the other classes and check for a medic + other class pair who wins
Oh my gosh, just when I started rewatching the whole tfc vs tf2 series, this comes out!? Talk about timing.
Finally a new video about. Tfc vs tf2 I've been waiting for this episode for so long and that's now here. Let's go.
I think after you cover all of the TFC vs TF2 mercs, maybe do the ones from Quake World: Team Fortress? Some of them from what I’ve seen are fundamentally similar, but at the same time are radically different.
He is back!
“If you know what’s best for you, you will run” -Solider TF2
Spy has always been the most fascinating one for a comparison simply because of how the direct 1v1 would work. Like simply put the invisibility seems like it forces that to be a tie because it’d be impossible to realistically fight them with that in play.
The match tf2 favored because spy can stay invisible longer, meaning he's more likely to catch tfc out of cloak, and unlocks makes this even more so
@@calebbarnhouse496 Tfc spy doesnt cloak, he plays dead.
Also you're underestimating his vastly superior arsenal of gas grenades which would make tf2 spy hallucinate, a dart gun that would cripple 2's movement speed, and a double barrel shotgun that can easily match the revolver.
Tf2 spy's best bet is he cloaks away and can catch tfc off guard which isnt happening in a 1v1. Even worse since some knives straight up make spy weaker.
@@superbrainz2357 l
feels like the double barrel shotgun is just a alternate weapon.
Nope, it’s a default weapon.
@Maria Flores oh, because I felt they should at least include panic attack if other guy has 2 shotguns
Speaking of the original original, have you considered comparing the classes to their quake team fortress counterparts?
Tf2 won in all except maybe in demoman and soldier (qwtf has the original). Demoman in qwtf was offensive like tf2 demo but it has grenades too
i have been waiting for this for so long
Wake up babe! After Breakfast uploaded a new tfc vs tf2 video!
ok but why do grenades' and bunnyhop count as free victory for tfc in that case tf2 should have a free win for unlocks as both are a massive part of the game smh.
Have to let the tfc have something 😂
tf2 soldier wins because I say so
I feel like including bunny hopping and grenades (mechanics exclusive to TFC) while excluding any and all unlocks (a mechanic unique to TF2) feels a bit unfair.
The main goal was to compare default abilities to default abilities. Generally adding unlocks into the mix provides an unnecessary advantage to TF2. Where TF2 overall has more powerful weapons, adding ones with specialized uses tends to skew things. As of right now the TF2 vs TFC videos have been somewhat one sided toward TF2 without the need for any unlocks.
@@SquimJim except this one. I’m still salty with Soldier losing this round because of a health factor.
The Double Barrel Shotgun would probably be a great exclusive shotgun for Heavy
Two words...Market Gardener
A 195 Garden crit paired with a point blank 112 rocket equal 307 damage, barely enough kill TFC Soldier with it in just a swing and a rocket
So in a fight with unlocks for TF2 allowed I think that the Market Gardener alone would be enough to tip the scales slightly towards TF2
I happened to search "The evolution of tf2" and saw you upload, nice
TFC Soldier: You should stop, you're bleeding.
TF2 Soldier: I don't have time to bleed!
I've been waiting for this!
Man finally another one of these videos
I cant wait to see the next One of this series
legendary series is back BABY
If you considered unlockables, this fight would’ve ended much differently
A guy with a Classic Crowbar vs a guy with a WW2 Shovel
Medic vs Medic next
tfc soldier watching 31 manthread strength soldiers form a pile on his shoulders
How did I miss this
TFC soldier getting killed in less than a second when TF2 soldier hits him with a market garden immediately followed by a point-blank rocket (he was told the odds were in his favor):
I love the original original user joke, because tf2 soldiers name is Jane doe
Ah but can the TFC Solider strip himself, get doused in honey, and grapple bears to death only with his bare hands???? I didn't think so.
We were all waiting for this
As ridiculous as it may sound, The model for TFC double barrel shotgun is technically a double barrel... Because when VALVE made that model for Half-Life they modelled the SPAS-12's magazine tube as a secondary barrel.
I think Soldier could take it if we're going "pro gamer" instead of character-wise. Realistically, Soldier isn't going to use combos as a character, but he will as a player. Switching back and forth constantly from rocket launcher to shotgun/melee could definitely swing it in his favor I think, especially if we're using Panic Attack.
and yes i'm coping that tf2 lost here. i'd say it's more 55% to 45% though than 60%-40%
You’re not the only coping with this match comparison. I hate it when Soldier loses.
After almost a year, we finally see more TFC vs TF2…
Considering that the comics show the tf2 crew beating the TFC crew
Tf2.
i feel like tfc soldier would run around mid range and use his double barrel for most of his damage, then use grenades for zoning, and his rocket launcher for an emergency escape
If you do spy you need to put in a gag with the Spy vs Spy theme.
i love TFC gaming some people dont put in the effort to learn TFC its like re learning TF2 in a way learning how to use your grenades and how to utilize your kit in that game and gold source bhopping is fun asfu
it actually would be kinda nice to have a shot gun that does better damage at midrange so ye I would advocate for the double barrel shotgun to be added as a new soldier secondary in tf2
TF2 soldier just needs to be coated in honey and naked, he's impossible to beat when in that state.
I used to watch this channel when I started playing tf2 around jungle inferno it’s nice coming back here after 4 years
@@AfterBreakfast1WAIT A MINUTE YOUR NOT SQUIM JIM
@@AfterBreakfast1NICE TRY FAKER
TFC soldiers are more disciplined mercenaries. Most of the mercs on TF2 on the other hand are basically sociopaths. Soldier has PTSD, Heavy has a romance with his gun, Demo has his own eye trying to kill him, Pyro is Pyro and Medic treats his own teammates as experiments.
Also in the comics(which is canon) and TF2 mercs beat the tfc mercs
Except the tfc mercs were old, sabotaged by medic on the inside bringing sniper back to life, and some of them just wanted to leave.
I can’t wait for Civilian vs. Payload
I was just watching some of your other vids when - BING! New Vid.
Second time happening. Cool
Omg never thought it would come out but I did
You know, if you where to include the spell book, one of the few extra default items that has no mode restrictions, and the one that it does have being able to be activated at any time, it would be an interesting way to deal with the B-hopping and grenades. Then again, it may be too broken, as that and the unlocks would give TF2 soldier a very large advantage against TFC soldier, but it would be nice to include the default power items.
also other weapons too if to speculate
beggars bazooka: its high dmg and a larger clip makes him deal less shots but its 30% projectile deviation makes it harder to predict on choke points and long hallways
escape plan: allows him to retreat faster when needed in a pinch
cow mangler: infinite ammo do i say more
trolldier: mantreads makes knockback useless and market gardener hits 175 and jumps away before he got the chance to retaliate and by chance goomba stomped him
airstrike/base jumper: although easier to be hit but a barrage of rockets, good luck avoiding that
Direct Hit, as mentioned in the video, would take away half of TFC’s soldier’s health due to the high damage output and fast projectile speed of the Rocket. Along with Gunboats to mitigate self-damage from explosions.
I mean if you are going to give TFC bunnyhopping you should give TF2 all their weapons.
Well soldier vs soldier I think is always with rocket jumps and airshots, is it fair to assume that, at equal skill levels, both can hit their airshots even though tfc soldier has a slower rocket making it harder? Also, assuming both play perfectly logically, tf2 soldier would have to approach to be in effective range whilst tfc soldier can retreat just as fast giving tfc the advantage. Idk how grenades mix in given the rocket jumping strats but I imagine every once in a while it would give tfc the edge, having more tools is better than not having them even if they're useless.
Talking about the best scenerio that could happen with unlocks, Solider does a rocket jump with airstrike and mantrats or how those boots are spelled, and hits every rocket, then Marketgarden tfc solider with damage from boots as well xD
Soldier basically has the advantage with unlocks
yes
I actually disagree. The TF2 soldier directly counters bunny hopping due to splash , and the TFC soldier is much less likely to hit airshots than a TF2 soldier. Assuming the TFC soldier does use grenades, the TF2 soldier would likely be able to use the rocket to evade, then quickly burst down the TFC soldier while in midair
What? A tf2 soldier can't catch a main scout, is he gonna catch a bhoper who is faster than a scout? Kjjjjj. Do you play tfc? Tfc soldiers has a lot of airshots and many of them has to kill 4 speed medics in 15 or 30 minute in a fast paced game. It s ridiculous to say that tfc soldiers were bad in airshots
@@franagustin3094 I think most people in this comment section never played TFC.
@@superbrainz2357 Or if they did, they play in drippy where is no bhop. I want to see them playing in battlezone or in servers of 2004-2008 and they will see what a is an offensive heavy kjjj
@@franagustin3094 I played one semi competitive lobby and the medics there were gods moving at Mach 3. Really put into perspective how powerful conc jumping was.
Medic v Medic is gonna be a bloodbath in TFC's favor.
@@superbrainz2357 Yeah, just look at wheaties and neon. Wheat is 42 years old and he still has the reflexes to face young people in a fast paced game. Do you imagine wheaties in 6s playing as demoman? He would have been a mix of b4nny and kaidus in one person. Many tfc players didn't like tf2 cause it feels slower than its predecesor.
In addition, there are available matches of Rizzo healing his teammates to maintain his offense up. So tfc medic can heal and do more things than tf2 medic.
It would be hypocrite to say that tf2 medic is better cause he heals more, in that case, tfc scout is better than tf2 scout cause he can take the flag and make his job faster than Jeremy
PD: I main same class in tf2 and tfc
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YES! it's been 84 years!
9:26 „u got Games on your phone?“
TF2 soider would just break both TFC Soider arms and then Strangle him to near death whole punching him, like he did to scout in the tf2 comics so tf2 soider would win.