How long did it take you to do on your own? I have been thinking on tackleing it myself but time is my issue. I don't mind doing it over a couple days in steps but I am clumbsy and may end up forgetting to torque stuff properly.
I recently ordered a S&S 509g kit, it came with 2 rear cams. I returned, refunded, reordered the kit. Someone got the kit with 2 front cams. The parts looked well made, duplicate of a single part the error.
Harley knowingly manufactured a poorly designed timing chain / tensioners on their earlier twim cams and had the nerve to sell a "fix" kit for over $500 (not including labour) which IMO sucks balls. My advice would be to ditch the timing chain completely and get a gear drive conversion instead. Harley really should be doing this for free as a failed tensioner can seriously screw your engine up.
I'm having a gear drive S&S cams installed this week. Not cheap but I really like my bike and want to hang on to it and ride it hard. The shop recommends the 510 and it will cost 1400 bucks. I have 41k on my bike and just recently became aware of the poorly designed spring loaded tensioner issue. Harley should have addressed this years ago!
Good choice mate. It’s a hefty price tag but if you’re serious about your bike then it’s money well spent and could potentially avert the risk of ruining your engine. I’ve heard from other riders how the tensioners crumbled and sent pieces of plastic through the oil pump which in turn caused the engine to seize and die. Fixing that is something you don’t want to have to do. Ride Safe!
I've got a 2003 softail night train fsxt I was wonder what I can do to hot it up..its 88ci I've been told can only go up to 96ic without spending huge money 💰 I live in Australia
Fxdwg 03 ? I ride highway, in town like to twist my throttle. The mechanic recommended the 510 kit with a mikuni 42? The bike is stocked engine slips on and AN big sucker.
What's the best cam for mostly highway riding, for a 2005 Electra glide classic twin cam 88 fuel injected? Also they offer 2 different lifts to choose from, what's the best lift, and why? Thanks
Can a person run gear driven cams on a twin cam but use chain/sprocket to the crank? IE avoid pinion shaft runout concern, and live with the outer tensioner.
Interesting proposition. There would be no physical issues with the solution. The front cam runs in reverse but that's not relevant. The inner tensioner is the problem with servicing and would need to have the hydraulic port blocked. The outer chain could be either silent or roller. The rear cam is compatible with either gear or chain but would be less of a service issue with a hydraulic tensioner. End play on the setup is done with the same method so if you don't mind the hybrid setup and the crank is within the limit for chain it's maybe an elegant solution. I'm a clockmaker by trade and see many solutions that overcome weaknesses in design. The advantage of outer gear is mechanical loss and more controlled timing mostly. Chain reduces noise but Harley could easily of applied the solution with a little thought.
@@theodavies8754 Yeah. It just seemed to me the two cams are going to run true to each other precisely enough for gear drive there, and that is the chain that requires a lot of shop time to service.
Depends on how you like to rip. The 551 Kit is best for stoplight to stoplight riding. the 585 Kit is designed for top end power and highway riding. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-551-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017 *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-585-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017
I know this is an old video, but I've got a 2008 Sporty, with the Arlen Ness monster sucker, and some 2-1 drag pipes. I love to rip up in the high rev range, to the medium range. Whatcha reccomend Lemmy?
We don't have any standalone cam kits for Sportsters currently, so the main question is whether you have an 883 or 1200? If you have an 883, we'd recommend just doing an 883-to-1200 conversion kit. If you have a 1200 already, then you can do a 1200-to-1250 or the full-on Hooligan Kit with cams. Keep in mind that you cannot go from 883 to 1250 though. -DrewZilla *bit.ly/Sportster_ConversionKits
For a bike that is so heavy, the cost benefit ratio is small for an engine that is a torquer vs high rpm horsepower bike. The engine is designed for torque, not horsepower
We don't offer any cam kits for the 883. After an exhaust and air cleaner, the main engine mod would be an 883 to 1200 conversion. S&S only recommends their 482 cams for the 883 to 1200 conversion or the 1200 to 1250 conversion. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-883-to-1200-conversion-kit-for-harley-sportster-1986-2017
great information, thanks. i am taking my 2002 softtail apart to replace my chain tensioners. after seeing this video i wonder if i should get rid of them.where can i get a hold of ALL the information i will need to do so. also, what cams do you recommend . i have all the bolt ons and i am looking for a bit more power..
I recommend converting to hydraulic with the S&S TC3 Kit, S&S Hydraulic Cam Chain Tensioners, and then either the 585 for horsepower or the 551 for torque. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-tc3-oil-pump-cam-support-plate-kit-for-harley-1999-2006 *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-hydraulic-cam-chain-tensioner-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017 *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-585-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-1999-2006 *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-551-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-1999-2006
I have not cammed my bike but am thinking about I'm not a light to light guy I like to get out and cruise take long rides with friends kinda looking at cam that's good down low and runs up to about 5000rpm what would the best S&S cam be for that
Hey Lemmy, what's your take on the S&S 'Easy Start' cams? Are they worth getting for a 103, or is the OEM electric compression release on 103 engine good enough to make starting just as easy as the Easy Start S&S cams?
It depends on your current compression ratio and where you want to make power in the rev range. I recommend the 551 and the 510. See the product details to decide which you'd prefer. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-551-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-1999-2006 *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-510-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-1999-2006
I have 100 inch big bore on my tc88 road king SS recomends the 585 easy starts due to the compression at hot starts getting some kickback . I hear that cam is a higher rpm cam and am concerned it won’t be good. Have any recommendations 10.5-1 compression
Thanks for the vid Lemmy-always great info! I ride a 09 FXDF in Cali. I 'm pretty aggressive from light to light but I also enjoy those highway speeds. Is there a cam for balanced power?
I'd recommend the 583 or the 510. The 583 has great response over a wide 1500 to 5000 RPM range. The 510 has strong response from 3000 to 5500 RPM. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-583-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017 *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-510-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017
G'Day, I'm riding a 2003 FXDWG Wide Glide. Most of the time I"m pulling a camper trailer, approx' 400 kg = 850 lbs. I'm thinking cams that will help when off the lights. Most of the time I"m sitting on the Speed limit?? Around 100 k/h to 110 k/h - This converted would be 60mph to 70mph. Guess, I'm from down under in Australia.
S&S offers cams as part of their Hooligan 1250cc big bore kit. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-hooligan-big-bore-cam-kit-for-harley-sportster
The MR103 is the general midrange cam for your bike we would suggest: www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-mr103-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017 I hope that helps! -Zack
lemmy awesome video bother , one question tho i have 2015 twin cam...just a question, is there a way to improve oil pressure ? they do seem to run pretty low..
Yeah, the S&S TC3 Oil Pump Cam Support Plate Kit could help with that. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-tc3-oil-pump-cam-support-plate-kit-for-harley
I have a 2014 Street Glide with a 2 into 1 exhaust, power commander 5, and Arlen Ness air cleaner. I beat the tar out of this bike and enjoy doing a bit of drifting. What would be my best cam package for the money? My dyno sheet puts me at 94hp and 103tq. I would like to be over 100hp a 110tq. Oh, and my bike also has 33,000 miles on it.
I'm planning on buying a 1999 Road King that is stock and has not had any internal motor work done. I read that there is a chain tensioner problem with this year and motor. This bike has 37k miles, should I have the cams and gears replaced along with the chain tensioner to give this bike some pep? My style of riding is to tour the country.
The chain tensioners should definitely be replaced, but you don't have to do cams unless you really want to. If you do want to upgrade, then yes, it makes sense to do it at the same time. -DrewZilla
I have a 07' road king classic with screaming eagle stage-1 breather v&h ovals and v&h dressers duels and looking for a cam upgrade I like the 509 cams and Andrews 57h what would be better
The 509s are only for 99-06 Twin Cam. For an '07, I'd recommend the 551s for increased low- and mid-range (like stoplight to stoplight or twisties) or the 585s for top end power and highway riding. Both require adjustable pushrods. The 57H is in between the the 551 and 585 for RPM power gains. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-551-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017 *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-585-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam
The 509 is for 1999-2006 Twin Cams. Instead, I'd recommend the 551 kit. That will improve your low and midrange torque, which is exactly what you want for two up riding. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-551-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2016
Hello gentlemen can anyone help I have a 2016 harley Davidson limited low ho 103 cam lift is a 511 stock main reason I'm going in the eng is because it now has 35,000 + I wanna do the tensioners but since I'm going in that department I might as well do the cams any gear heads help please I'm stuck ss 551,woods 555 andrews 57 H I came from the sport bike family some years back I normally stay in the department of shifting around 2,000 2,500 unless I wanna get away then we'll I shift around 3,500
Reusing the stock chain is the most typical move, but we do offer new chains on the site. Since you reuse the stock cam gears as well it's really not an issue and standard operating procedure. -Zack
I have a 2011 sg with the 103. I like to rip down straightaways and backroad twisties and often hitting full throttle. 555 or 585 cam? And do i need adjustable pushrods or upgraded valve springs for either?
Love your vids man!! What type of CAM would you recommend for a 2009 Road King Classic? Pretty aggressive on the throttle and like to bang through the gears.
If you spend most of your time from idle to 4000 RPM, I recommend the 551. If you spend more time higher up, say from 3200-5700 RPM, consider the 570. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-551-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017 *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-570-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017
I have a 2016 Fxdls Harley with the 110 engine, looking for overall more torque and power. I ride a lot of highway cruising. but love to haul a** a lot also. When I want power cruising on the highway I usually drop a gear. What cam would be good.
There are a ton of variables that would determine a good option for you. I recommend you send us an email or give us a call, so one of our Harley Parts Pros can go over all the details with you. Information to consider is weight, where you live/ride, if/how often you have a passenger, where you want to make more power, and other questions. Get in touch at cs@revzilla.com or 877-792-9455. -DrewZilla
My 2013 FLHX is at 50k miles and I plan to install S&S .551 cams, new tappets, bearings and tensioners next winter. Do I need the EZ start cams or not? Does the 2013 H-D 103 have ACR?
The stock 103 does not have ACR, so you don't absolutely need the Easy Start cams. However, they do definitely reduce strain on the starter, so if you can afford the slightly higher price or plan on going another 50,000 miles or more, I recommend the Easy Start Kit. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-551-easy-start-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2016
I have an 07 softail, 96.. all stock except the stage 1 with a thundergeader.. I ride mostly around town but I love to accelerate stoplight to stoplight.. it feels a little weak in the mountains.. which cam would I need??
What Cam would you recommend for a 2006 Softail Deluxe that has a stage 1 upgrade already.. Vance and Hines exhaust and k&n air cleaner.. I just want the next thing over the stock Cam. I do 90% of my riding around in the street and I ride normal... I don’t power shift or rev out the motor before I shift...
Give our Harley Geeks a call (or better yet, an email) for that. As a BMW rider, I can offer nothing but smugness. -Kraus-e *www.revzilla.com/contact-us
With a 475 cam for a 107 m8 do you also have to change the tappets as well or can you use your existing parts. They seem to be marketed as a drop in and use product but I think there might be more to it parts wise than just the regular adjustments you'd do with a new cam.
You can reuse the stock pushrods, but most people save time by cutting out the stock pushrods and using Quickee pushrods. The instructions are straightforward, and you can take a look at the pdf linked below. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/assets/0002/0872/510-0467-chain-drive-cams-m8-20170328a__2_.pdf *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-475-cam-kit-for-harley-milwaukee-eight-2017-2018
2006 fxdb, 88ci, but was bumped up to 95ci. Stock had 70T pulley, but now has a 66T pulley...I am finding on lower rpm, 1500-2500 that I have lost the power...I have to rev a little higher to keep it going. Highway cruising is nice, but low speed it struggles a bit. What cam would help me out? 509? Need to bring the power band down. I dont use the upper rpm 4000 plus range...ie non aggressive riding.
For your riding style and power range, I recommend you go with the 583 kit, as it's designed for Dynas and Softails and improves torque and horsepower from 1500 RPM. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-583-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017
I'd like to pick your brain for a moment. S&S replied to my same question "If you want the power down low go with the MR103 cams. it will get your torque at a lower RPM without having issue with detonation." What can you tell me about MR103 and 583? And maybe the SE 255? Although I rode the bike again today and I feel its dialed in pretty good stock. 2006 fxdb gears with 66T Pulley...works well.
2015 FXDL Low Rider 103, I have S&S Intake/Air Cleaner, V&H Short Shots pipes, and The V&H FP3 tuner. I rarely ride 2 up (maybe once every other month for under 50 miles, in Oklahoma). I like quick acceleration, and stretching it's legs on the turnpike when it is clear. My daily ride to work usually consists of town/hwy driving 40-60mph, and about 12 mile rip down the turnpike. I don't feel like I need more power in the Idle to 2000 RPM range. I don't think pushing much above the 5500 RPM range would be healthy with stock heads/springs. What would you suggest to maximize that 2000/2200-5000/5200 RPM range? I hope I can quench my power thirst for a couple of years...LOL. Thanks!
A lot of cams are available for the 1500-5000 range and the 3000-6000 range. For you, you'd want the lower range. I recommend the 583, 583 Easy Start, and MR103 Easy Start cams. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-583-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-583-easy-start-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-mr103-easy-start-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017
If I did all the work of changing cams and realized I had lost toque at low rpm, I would be very disappointed. Example: I removed the factory exhaust and installed vance and hines longshots. I liked the looks of them on other bikes and the sound. But to my disappointment I lost about 1/3 of the torque below 3000. I was giving it more throttle to get moving and having to rev a lot higher than with stock mufflers. Mileage was down too. I later learned it was due to the vance and hines not having a crossover tube. Something about better scavenging of the cylinders. I read several dyno tests and the pipes with crossover made more torque. I'm a cruiser kind of guy, so it wasn't very long before I removed them and had a friend do a job on the factory mufflers. They are only a bit louder than factory, cops can't tell they were modified, I get better fuel mileage and the low end torque is where I want it. Perhaps you can suggest an S&S gear drive cam that is most likely to give me the low end torque I like. I want to get rid of the cam chain tensioner, I worry about one of them tearing up and damaging the engine.
Hey Mike, Feel free to shoot us an email at cs@revzilla.com or give us a call at 877-792-9455. With some more information one of our Harley Parts Professionals can get you all set up! -Zack
- What is the max run out I can have in order to safely install gear drive cams in my 04 FXDL 88"? 50,000 miles, & the engine has never been touched, & does not burn a drop of anything, ... & I beat the ever-loving piss out of it. Amsoil Synths in all three holes every 2,000. 75% Of time just me, 25% two up. Slip on SE2s, SE plugs 'n wires, SE Heavy Breather, SE Stage 1 carb kit. Gear drive cam suggestions if I am looking for that mid-range, ... maybe even through 5,500rpm when slammin' into fourth? Also, do any of the kits come with a better oil pump, ... what about tappet replacement? I know I will want to do that, but are they always a separate purchase? Be well, ...
We don't have the specs on-hand, but it should be listed in the Factory Service Manual. As for kits, the cam kits don't include an oil pump, but we would recommend getting the upgraded S&S TC3 pump and cam support plate. Lifters, pushrods, and springs are also available separately. The 570 cam kit would be good for the mid-range. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-570-easy-start-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-1999-2006 *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-tc3-oil-pump-cam-support-plate-kit-for-harley-1999-2006 *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-premium-high-performance-lifters-for-harley-1999-2017 *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-quickee-pushrods-for-harley-m8-twin-cam-sportster-1991-2017 *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-sidewinder-valve-spring-kits-for-harley-big-twin-1984-2004
Hey Lemmy I’ve got a 2009 HD Nightster with a 1200 EVO motor I would like to run a more aggressive cam to get more torque and horsepower and to get a more lopey exhaust note kind of like a 70’s model shovel Any advice bro?
Take a look at the S&S Hooligan Kit for the power and hotter cam you're looking for. Also, to get the sound, you'll want a long 2-2 exhaust without a crossover pipe. *bit.ly/SS_HooliganKit
have a 2013 dyna 103" with thunderheader,want to improve overall power and sound, like to ride in the 3500 to 5500 rpm range , lot of highway and 2 up riding also...what cam would you recommend ?
That depends on what you're looking to achieve. If you want better low- and mid-range response, then consider the 509. If you want a bit more power for highway riding, then consider the 510. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-509-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-1999-2006 *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-510-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-1999-2006
If the part to install is one beard, I shave my beard short before I do the job. Then I don't buy my next part until my beard grows out long enough to do a three beard part.
+Derrem Senchi We'd recommend the 625 Easy Start Cam Kit, so you do not prematurely wear out your starter motor and battery. Understand that you would need high-lift valve springs as well. Also keep in mind that with these cams, you're "on the cam" from 3000-6000 RPM. If you have additional questions, we recommend you speak with one of our Harley Parts Pros at 877-792-9455. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-625-easy-start-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2015
Você pode comprar. Selecione Frete internacional depois de adicionar o item ao seu carrinho de compras. -DrewZilla *www.revzilla.com/ss-cycle#facets%5B%5D=2635
Nice vid. And Lemmy, you either know your shit, or your video guys know how to edit. ??? Always informative. Note... Had to come back and edit comment. Your customer service agent on the phone was less than helpful. The conversation ended with him saying he didn't really know specifics on this kit and perhaps I should call S&S. So I did. Found the kit on Amazon.
Installing, timing, and shimming sporty cams is therapeutic
“This is really dry, only for the serious gear heads”
*heavy breathing intensifies*
Love hearing this man speak on some Big Twin knowledge
Excellent info and great advice. Do not over cam your engine and you will be happy. Thank you for the video!
Definitely one of your best videos . Or maybe im just high right now lol
Rooster344 Just High
I got the s and s 509,and related items installed it myself.Good learning experience.Runs fine.
How long did it take you to do on your own? I have been thinking on tackleing it myself but time is my issue. I don't mind doing it over a couple days in steps but I am clumbsy and may end up forgetting to torque stuff properly.
I recently ordered a S&S 509g kit, it came with 2 rear cams. I returned, refunded, reordered the kit. Someone got the kit with 2 front cams. The parts looked well made, duplicate of a single part the error.
Harley knowingly manufactured a poorly designed timing chain / tensioners on their earlier twim cams and had the nerve to sell a "fix" kit for over $500 (not including labour) which IMO sucks balls. My advice would be to ditch the timing chain completely and get a gear drive conversion instead. Harley really should be doing this for free as a failed tensioner can seriously screw your engine up.
I'm having a gear drive S&S cams installed this week. Not cheap but I really like my bike and want to hang on to it and ride it hard. The shop recommends the 510 and it will cost 1400 bucks. I have 41k on my bike and just recently became aware of the poorly designed spring loaded tensioner issue. Harley should have addressed this years ago!
Good choice mate. It’s a hefty price tag but if you’re serious about your bike then it’s money well spent and could potentially avert the risk of ruining your engine. I’ve heard from other riders how the tensioners crumbled and sent pieces of plastic through the oil pump which in turn caused the engine to seize and die. Fixing that is something you don’t want to have to do.
Ride Safe!
I just had Denny's hd Springfield, mo. put a torque cam in mine, m8, I couldn't be happier ...
GREAT, GREAT review / clip - thank you very much !
Fantastic info !
Well done!
Ur a good guy Lemmy. We luv u buddy...
I've got a 2003 softail night train fsxt I was wonder what I can do to hot it up..its 88ci I've been told can only go up to 96ic without spending huge money 💰 I live in Australia
Fxdwg 03 ? I ride highway, in town like to twist my throttle. The mechanic recommended the 510 kit with a mikuni 42? The bike is stocked engine slips on and AN big sucker.
What's the best cam for mostly highway riding, for a 2005 Electra glide classic twin cam 88 fuel injected?
Also they offer 2 different lifts to choose from, what's the best lift, and why?
Thanks
Can a person run gear driven cams on a twin cam but use chain/sprocket to the crank? IE avoid pinion shaft runout concern, and live with the outer tensioner.
Interesting proposition. There would be no physical issues with the solution.
The front cam runs in reverse but that's not relevant.
The inner tensioner is the problem with servicing and would need to have the hydraulic port blocked.
The outer chain could be either silent or roller.
The rear cam is compatible with either gear or chain but would be less of a service issue with a hydraulic tensioner. End play on the setup is done with the same method so if you don't mind the hybrid setup and the crank is within the limit for chain it's maybe an elegant solution.
I'm a clockmaker by trade and see many solutions that overcome weaknesses in design.
The advantage of outer gear is mechanical loss and more controlled timing mostly.
Chain reduces noise but Harley could easily of applied the solution with a little thought.
@@theodavies8754 Yeah. It just seemed to me the two cams are going to run true to each other precisely enough for gear drive there, and that is the chain that requires a lot of shop time to service.
Hey Lemmy, always great videos.
I’m planning an upgrade for my 13model RG. 103.
We do a lot of rippin, so, your thoughts on a 585?
Depends on how you like to rip. The 551 Kit is best for stoplight to stoplight riding. the 585 Kit is designed for top end power and highway riding. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-551-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-585-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017
I know this is an old video, but I've got a 2008 Sporty, with the Arlen Ness monster sucker, and some 2-1 drag pipes. I love to rip up in the high rev range, to the medium range. Whatcha reccomend Lemmy?
We don't have any standalone cam kits for Sportsters currently, so the main question is whether you have an 883 or 1200? If you have an 883, we'd recommend just doing an 883-to-1200 conversion kit. If you have a 1200 already, then you can do a 1200-to-1250 or the full-on Hooligan Kit with cams. Keep in mind that you cannot go from 883 to 1250 though. -DrewZilla
*bit.ly/Sportster_ConversionKits
For a bike that is so heavy, the cost benefit ratio is small for an engine that is a torquer vs high rpm horsepower bike. The engine is designed for torque, not horsepower
2019 iron 883 never two up ride somewhat aggressively, hard off most lights chill when I get to about 60
We don't offer any cam kits for the 883. After an exhaust and air cleaner, the main engine mod would be an 883 to 1200 conversion. S&S only recommends their 482 cams for the 883 to 1200 conversion or the 1200 to 1250 conversion. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-883-to-1200-conversion-kit-for-harley-sportster-1986-2017
great information, thanks. i am taking my 2002 softtail apart to replace my chain tensioners. after seeing this video i wonder if i should get rid of them.where can i get a hold of ALL the information i will need to do so. also, what cams do you recommend . i have all the bolt ons and i am looking for a bit more power..
I recommend converting to hydraulic with the S&S TC3 Kit, S&S Hydraulic Cam Chain Tensioners, and then either the 585 for horsepower or the 551 for torque. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-tc3-oil-pump-cam-support-plate-kit-for-harley-1999-2006
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-hydraulic-cam-chain-tensioner-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-585-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-1999-2006
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-551-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-1999-2006
Is 585 a good cam for a 103
I have not cammed my bike but am thinking about I'm not a light to light guy I like to get out and cruise take long rides with friends kinda looking at cam that's good down low and runs up to about 5000rpm what would the best S&S cam be for that
Ok. Thank You
Hey Lemmy, what's your take on the S&S 'Easy Start' cams? Are they worth getting for a 103, or is the OEM electric compression release on 103 engine good enough to make starting just as easy as the Easy Start S&S cams?
04 road glide with stage 1 and true duals, and 97" big bore kit s&s, which cam, only ride hard when people to impress lol
It depends on your current compression ratio and where you want to make power in the rev range. I recommend the 551 and the 510. See the product details to decide which you'd prefer. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-551-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-1999-2006
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-510-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-1999-2006
I have 100 inch big bore on my tc88 road king SS recomends the 585 easy starts due to the compression at hot starts getting some kickback . I hear that cam is a higher rpm cam and am concerned it won’t be good. Have any recommendations 10.5-1 compression
Thanks for the vid Lemmy-always great info! I ride a 09 FXDF in Cali. I 'm pretty aggressive from light to light but I also enjoy those highway speeds. Is there a cam for balanced power?
I'd recommend the 583 or the 510. The 583 has great response over a wide 1500 to 5000 RPM range. The 510 has strong response from 3000 to 5500 RPM. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-583-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-510-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017
2017 ....103CUI.......Softail Slim....V&H Drags......Apehangers.....Bobber........Bee-Boppin........around Town.......Tampa, Florida..........City Riding.........SS/#551......Thanx Bro.....
Hello! Will supply the 625G S&S Gear Drive Cams Set Pushrods Lifters Engine Kit for the Harley 88 "Twin Cam. Should I change valve springs?
G'Day, I'm riding a 2003 FXDWG Wide Glide. Most of the time I"m pulling a camper trailer, approx' 400 kg = 850 lbs. I'm thinking cams that will help when off the lights. Most of the time I"m sitting on the Speed limit?? Around 100 k/h to 110 k/h - This converted would be 60mph to 70mph. Guess, I'm from down under in Australia.
Go for the 509 Cam Kit. Best for low- and mid-range. -DrewZilla
*bit.ly/SS_509_CamKit
Is there a stage 2 kit for sportster 1200? How much is it?
S&S offers cams as part of their Hooligan 1250cc big bore kit. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-hooligan-big-bore-cam-kit-for-harley-sportster
Here is a tricky one, I ride a M8 ultra and tour heavy , but I also like to beat the piss out of it.
If you have the 107, go with the 465 or 475. If you have the 114, go with the 550. -DrewZilla
What do you recommend to get good mid range in my 2016 Street Bob 103?
The MR103 is the general midrange cam for your bike we would suggest:
www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-mr103-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017
I hope that helps!
-Zack
great reviews
lemmy awesome video bother , one question tho i have 2015 twin cam...just a question, is there a way to improve oil pressure ? they do seem to run pretty low..
Yeah, the S&S TC3 Oil Pump Cam Support Plate Kit could help with that. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-tc3-oil-pump-cam-support-plate-kit-for-harley
I have a 2014 Street Glide with a 2 into 1 exhaust, power commander 5, and Arlen Ness air cleaner. I beat the tar out of this bike and enjoy doing a bit of drifting. What would be my best cam package for the money? My dyno sheet puts me at 94hp and 103tq. I would like to be over 100hp a 110tq. Oh, and my bike also has 33,000 miles on it.
Take a look at the MR103 EZ Easy Start Kit. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-mr103-easy-start-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017
Gear Drive system they cause you a lot of problems too that pinion run better be inspect chain driven cam setup a smarter
I'm planning on buying a 1999 Road King that is stock and has not had any internal motor work done. I read that there is a chain tensioner problem with this year and motor. This bike has 37k miles, should I have the cams and gears replaced along with the chain tensioner to give this bike some pep? My style of riding is to tour the country.
The chain tensioners should definitely be replaced, but you don't have to do cams unless you really want to. If you do want to upgrade, then yes, it makes sense to do it at the same time. -DrewZilla
I have a 07' road king classic with screaming eagle stage-1 breather v&h ovals and v&h dressers duels and looking for a cam upgrade I like the 509 cams and Andrews 57h what would be better
The 509s are only for 99-06 Twin Cam. For an '07, I'd recommend the 551s for increased low- and mid-range (like stoplight to stoplight or twisties) or the 585s for top end power and highway riding. Both require adjustable pushrods. The 57H is in between the the 551 and 585 for RPM power gains. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-551-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-585-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam
2010 ultra classic, two up riding. 509 is the one I want?
The 509 is for 1999-2006 Twin Cams. Instead, I'd recommend the 551 kit. That will improve your low and midrange torque, which is exactly what you want for two up riding. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-551-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2016
RevZilla sweet, thanks!
Hello gentlemen can anyone help I have a 2016 harley Davidson limited low ho 103 cam lift is a 511 stock main reason I'm going in the eng is because it now has 35,000 + I wanna do the tensioners but since I'm going in that department I might as well do the cams any gear heads help please I'm stuck ss 551,woods 555 andrews 57 H I came from the sport bike family some years back I normally stay in the department of shifting around 2,000 2,500 unless I wanna get away then we'll I shift around 3,500
Can you tell me why a new cam chain is not included in these kits? Surely they don't expect you to use a stock chain, do they ?
Reusing the stock chain is the most typical move, but we do offer new chains on the site. Since you reuse the stock cam gears as well it's really not an issue and standard operating procedure.
-Zack
I have a 2011 sg with the 103. I like to rip down straightaways and backroad twisties and often hitting full throttle. 555 or 585 cam? And do i need adjustable pushrods or upgraded valve springs for either?
551* sorry
is there a set for the 2017 touring yet?
Got an ‘01 dyna stage 1.
What’s a good cam for highway touring, for good mpg?
You'd want to consider the 510 Cam Kit. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-510-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam
Love your vids man!! What type of CAM would you recommend for a 2009 Road King Classic? Pretty aggressive on the throttle and like to bang through the gears.
If you spend most of your time from idle to 4000 RPM, I recommend the 551. If you spend more time higher up, say from 3200-5700 RPM, consider the 570. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-551-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-570-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017
Thanks man!
I have a 2016 Fxdls Harley with the 110 engine, looking for overall more torque and power. I ride a lot of highway cruising. but love to haul a** a lot also. When I want power cruising on the highway I usually drop a gear. What cam would be good.
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I’ve got a 97 1200 xl with screamin eagle heads what would be the best cams to wake my girl up.
There are a ton of variables that would determine a good option for you. I recommend you send us an email or give us a call, so one of our Harley Parts Pros can go over all the details with you. Information to consider is weight, where you live/ride, if/how often you have a passenger, where you want to make more power, and other questions. Get in touch at cs@revzilla.com or 877-792-9455. -DrewZilla
My 2013 FLHX is at 50k miles and I plan to install S&S .551 cams, new tappets, bearings and tensioners next winter. Do I need the EZ start cams or not? Does the 2013 H-D 103 have ACR?
The stock 103 does not have ACR, so you don't absolutely need the Easy Start cams. However, they do definitely reduce strain on the starter, so if you can afford the slightly higher price or plan on going another 50,000 miles or more, I recommend the Easy Start Kit. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-551-easy-start-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2016
what is reccomended for a 1998 carbbed evo road king? want more general power nothing crazy, no motor work done to it yet, just exhaust
For more general power, I'd recommend the 520 cam. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-520-cam-for-harley-big-twin-evo-1984-1999
I have an 07 softail, 96.. all stock except the stage 1 with a thundergeader.. I ride mostly around town but I love to accelerate stoplight to stoplight.. it feels a little weak in the mountains.. which cam would I need??
Based on what you're looking for, I'd recommend a 510. -TeamZilla Chris
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-510-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam
What Cam would you recommend for a 2006 Softail Deluxe that has a stage 1 upgrade already.. Vance and Hines exhaust and k&n air cleaner.. I just want the next thing over the stock Cam. I do 90% of my riding around in the street and I ride normal... I don’t power shift or rev out the motor before I shift...
Give our Harley Geeks a call (or better yet, an email) for that. As a BMW rider, I can offer nothing but smugness. -Kraus-e
*www.revzilla.com/contact-us
I got a stock s&s 520 in my super stock evo 88. Anyone got any performance data on that?
With a 475 cam for a 107 m8 do you also have to change the tappets as well or can you use your existing parts. They seem to be marketed as a drop in and use product but I think there might be more to it parts wise than just the regular adjustments you'd do with a new cam.
Lifters I mean lol
You can reuse the stock pushrods, but most people save time by cutting out the stock pushrods and using Quickee pushrods. The instructions are straightforward, and you can take a look at the pdf linked below. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/assets/0002/0872/510-0467-chain-drive-cams-m8-20170328a__2_.pdf
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-475-cam-kit-for-harley-milwaukee-eight-2017-2018
I have a 2001 Dyna I want to do the gear conversion kit do you recommend doing a high flow oil pump?
I would!! I've got an 01 road king and going with a s&s gear drive chest kit. New oil pump comes with it
2006 fxdb, 88ci, but was bumped up to 95ci. Stock had 70T pulley, but now has a 66T pulley...I am finding on lower rpm, 1500-2500 that I have lost the power...I have to rev a little higher to keep it going. Highway cruising is nice, but low speed it struggles a bit. What cam would help me out? 509? Need to bring the power band down. I dont use the upper rpm 4000 plus range...ie non aggressive riding.
For your riding style and power range, I recommend you go with the 583 kit, as it's designed for Dynas and Softails and improves torque and horsepower from 1500 RPM. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-583-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017
I'd like to pick your brain for a moment. S&S replied to my same question "If you want the power down low go with the MR103 cams. it will get your torque at a lower RPM without having issue with detonation." What can you tell me about MR103 and 583? And maybe the SE 255? Although I rode the bike again today and I feel its dialed in pretty good stock. 2006 fxdb gears with 66T Pulley...works well.
Can you run a 551 cam in a stock 88 or would the 509 be better?
It's possible, but it's generally better to run the 509 in a stock 88. -DrewZilla
*bit.ly/SS_509Cam
2015 FXDL Low Rider 103, I have S&S Intake/Air Cleaner, V&H Short Shots pipes, and The V&H FP3 tuner. I rarely ride 2 up (maybe once every other month for under 50 miles, in Oklahoma). I like quick acceleration, and stretching it's legs on the turnpike when it is clear. My daily ride to work usually consists of town/hwy driving 40-60mph, and about 12 mile rip down the turnpike. I don't feel like I need more power in the Idle to 2000 RPM range. I don't think pushing much above the 5500 RPM range would be healthy with stock heads/springs. What would you suggest to maximize that 2000/2200-5000/5200 RPM range? I hope I can quench my power thirst for a couple of years...LOL. Thanks!
A lot of cams are available for the 1500-5000 range and the 3000-6000 range. For you, you'd want the lower range. I recommend the 583, 583 Easy Start, and MR103 Easy Start cams. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-583-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-583-easy-start-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-mr103-easy-start-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2017
Thanks for the advice! I will continue my research with this new info. I think I am getting close to making a good, informed pick.
If I did all the work of changing cams and realized I had lost toque at low rpm, I would be very disappointed.
Example: I removed the factory exhaust and installed vance and hines longshots. I liked the looks of them on other bikes and the sound. But to my disappointment I lost about 1/3 of the torque below 3000. I was giving it more throttle to get moving and having to rev a lot higher than with stock mufflers. Mileage was down too. I later learned it was due to the vance and hines not having a crossover tube. Something about better scavenging of the cylinders. I read several dyno tests and the pipes with crossover made more torque.
I'm a cruiser kind of guy, so it wasn't very long before I removed them and had a friend do a job on the factory mufflers. They are only a bit louder than factory, cops can't tell they were modified, I get better fuel mileage and the low end torque is where I want it.
Perhaps you can suggest an S&S gear drive cam that is most likely to give me the low end torque I like. I want to get rid of the cam chain tensioner, I worry about one of them tearing up and damaging the engine.
Hey Mike,
Feel free to shoot us an email at cs@revzilla.com or give us a call at 877-792-9455.
With some more information one of our Harley Parts Professionals can get you all set up!
-Zack
- What is the max run out I can have in order to safely install gear drive cams in my 04 FXDL 88"? 50,000 miles, & the engine has never been touched, & does not burn a drop of anything, ... & I beat the ever-loving piss out of it. Amsoil Synths in all three holes every 2,000.
75% Of time just me, 25% two up. Slip on SE2s, SE plugs 'n wires, SE Heavy Breather, SE Stage 1 carb kit.
Gear drive cam suggestions if I am looking for that mid-range, ... maybe even through 5,500rpm when slammin' into fourth?
Also, do any of the kits come with a better oil pump, ... what about tappet replacement? I know I will want to do that, but are they always a separate purchase?
Be well, ...
We don't have the specs on-hand, but it should be listed in the Factory Service Manual. As for kits, the cam kits don't include an oil pump, but we would recommend getting the upgraded S&S TC3 pump and cam support plate. Lifters, pushrods, and springs are also available separately. The 570 cam kit would be good for the mid-range. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-570-easy-start-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-1999-2006
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-tc3-oil-pump-cam-support-plate-kit-for-harley-1999-2006
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-premium-high-performance-lifters-for-harley-1999-2017
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-quickee-pushrods-for-harley-m8-twin-cam-sportster-1991-2017
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-sidewinder-valve-spring-kits-for-harley-big-twin-1984-2004
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Hey Lemmy I’ve got a 2009 HD Nightster with a 1200 EVO motor I would like to run a more aggressive cam to get more torque and horsepower and to get a more lopey exhaust note kind of like a 70’s model shovel
Any advice bro?
Take a look at the S&S Hooligan Kit for the power and hotter cam you're looking for. Also, to get the sound, you'll want a long 2-2 exhaust without a crossover pipe.
*bit.ly/SS_HooliganKit
have a 2013 dyna 103" with thunderheader,want to improve overall power and sound, like to ride in the 3500 to 5500 rpm range , lot of highway and 2 up riding also...what cam would you recommend ?
I'd recommend the HP103 Easy Start Cam Kit. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-hp103-easy-start-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2007-2017
RevZilla thanks Brother
WHICH S&S CAM SHOULD I PUT IN MY 04 HARLEY DAVIDSON ELECTRA GLIDE FLHTCI. ANY HELP WILL BE WELCOMED
That depends on what you're looking to achieve. If you want better low- and mid-range response, then consider the 509. If you want a bit more power for highway riding, then consider the 510. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-509-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-1999-2006
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-510-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-1999-2006
Hi can you put the eazy start for the 525G cam on ebay for me ? I have the acr electrical wiring it's okey?
+Derrem Senchi We don't sell on eBay. I apologize for any inconvenience. -DrewZilla
If the part to install is one beard, I shave my beard short before I do the job.
Then I don't buy my next part until my beard grows out long enough to do a three beard part.
Hi what is the best cam for the screaming eagle 110ci ? S&S 625G. ??? Let me know
+Derrem Senchi We'd recommend the 625 Easy Start Cam Kit, so you do not prematurely wear out your starter motor and battery. Understand that you would need high-lift valve springs as well. Also keep in mind that with these cams, you're "on the cam" from 3000-6000 RPM. If you have additional questions, we recommend you speak with one of our Harley Parts Pros at 877-792-9455. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/ss-625-easy-start-cam-kit-for-harley-twin-cam-2006-2015
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Quero comprar estou no Brasil
Você pode comprar. Selecione Frete internacional depois de adicionar o item ao seu carrinho de compras. -DrewZilla
*www.revzilla.com/ss-cycle#facets%5B%5D=2635
Nice vid. And Lemmy, you either know your shit, or your video guys know how to edit. ???
Always informative.
Note... Had to come back and edit comment. Your customer service agent on the phone was less than helpful. The conversation ended with him saying he didn't really know specifics on this kit and perhaps I should call S&S. So I did. Found the kit on Amazon.
I cant seem to find a camshaft for my 2014 Harley Davidson sportster 883 iron do they even make them for my bike?
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What about the s&s 585 cams?
The 585 cams are good if your motor has a 10:1 or 10.5:1 compression ratio and you're looking to increase power above 3,000 RPM. -DrewZilla
RevZilla I'm looking at running a 585 s&s on my 10 103, I'm curious how this will do with stock compression
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