Best Projectors Fight: NZ9, NZ8, NZ7 vs 7000, 6000, 5000 vs LS12000
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All projectors facing off on two 150" inch screens side by side!
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---chapter index
0:00 8 Projectors Face Off in KC
2:40 Projector calibration
4:15 JVC NX5 vs Epson LS12000
6:37 Sony xw5000es vs JVC NZ7
9:52 JVC NZ8 vs Sony xw6000es
12:39 Sony xw5000es vs Epson LS12000
15:34 Sony xw7000es vs JVC NZ9
18:43 Sony xw6000es vs JVC NZ7
22:57 JVC NZ8 & MadVR vs NZ9
24:05 JVC NZ8 vs Epson LS12000 & MadVR
24:40 Final Thoughts
-- Best Projectors NZ9 vs 7000 vs NZ8 vs 6000 vs LS12000 vs NZ7 vs 5000
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I left this comment on the previous live stream version but will put it here for further transparency. The Epson LS12000 did have a slight calibration issue (I calibrated it) and near black was able to be made less blue. The black floor was blue though, there's no question about it. We tested it further after the show. That was also possible to fix but to do so meant adding in red which reduced contrast. Lastly, without a direct comparison even without the fixes above it looked less blue.
Thanks Andy, it was awesome co-hosting this with you and Nick - I learned so much from you guys!
@@stopthefomo I had a blast joining you. Didn't really think I'd spend hours on UA-cam when I woke up on Sunday but it sure was fun talking projectors with you all day!
I'm sure you don't remember but what were some of those calibration settings to get the black floor to look less blue
Great job guys my price range is the epson ls12000 and the Sony 5000es my room is a dedicated space I have a 135 inch elite acoustically transparent screen out of those 2 which 1 would be best for me
@@kcwmac green gain was at 49, should have been at 50. To fix the actual black floor greyscale step 1 needed red to go to 15 (from 0). This reduces contrast though so it might not be worth it if you don't see it by itself. Also, these are unit-specific. I calibrated two LS12000s before and greyscale step 2 needed blue to be reduced to -10/15. There appears to be a consistent blue push on these projectors near black.
this is a PHENOMENAL comparison video and is so appreciated as comparisons like these are what many are looking for - thank you !!!!
Fomo,
I was able to purchase the JVC nz7 at a reasonable price below MSRP . I previously owned a Sony vpl-55es front projector shown on a vutec 120 inch 1.0 gain screen.
I sold my old Sony which was about 4+ yrs old and was in the market for a new projector. I had a wonderful Aunt who I got into home theater many yrs ago and she had her own Epson projector that she loved. Unfortunately, she passed away this past January from cancer but left behind some cash for me to do my ultimate home theater. I'm 57yrs old and in a wheelchair due to a car accident many years ago. I've always been into home theater and I've done it all over the years.
I'm very satisfied with my new JVC nz7 which I'm throwing onto a 135 inch dragonfly screen with a 1.1 gain. The most important features for HDR 10 material are frame by frame adapt, theater optimizer and the biggest difference that gave my screen the pop it needed was changing my HDR levels from auto to +1. You can choose between -2 to auto or+2. My black levels look very good and and my specular highlights just pop off the screen without clipping.
I have a Klipsch premier 7.2.4 Dolby Atmos system powered by a Marantz 7015 receiver. The only reason I didn't do the sr8015 was my friend has an extra meridian power amp that can give me 200 watts into 5 channels. So, I'll use the Marantz to power the Atmos and side surrounds...
It's really incredible to play an image in 4k HDR.
Many things are subjective but I want the best black levels I can get within reason and JVC does that with their theater optimizer and frame adaption. .
I have you and your friends to thank for me purchasing my 77 inch LGC1 OLED last year from value electronics. I can play my Xbox series X and enjoy movies at the same time...
I'll wait a few years to see how QLED pans out, but my family loves the picture quality on this laser projector.....
Keep up the great work!
Nick
I currently have the Sony VPL HW55ES as well, and (as mentioned above), I viewed the JVC NP5 and NZ8. Love the JVCs, but haven't viewed the NZ7 yet. Will upgrade to either NZ7 or NZ8. The JVC firmware update 2.0 will improve the JVCs even more. Can't wait to see how a JVC looks in my room (light controlled and 1.2 gain high contrast screen (VNX Black Horizon Bright TV)).
Excellent video! Loved that you included the external tone mapping to the mix.
Amazing video! Thank you so much for doing this!!! You made it an easy decision to go with the JVC NZ7. You all deserve an award for your amazing work on this!!! Bravo Stop the FOMO!
Awesome video. Much easier to pull conclusions than the entire livestream!!
This is exactly what I’ve been wanting to see!! Amazing!!
I’ve been contemplating with the LS12000 & 5000, or if it’s worth going for the NZ7. And after watching I’ll for sure want to try and get the NZ7 ^_^
Great content and shoot out, I think missing is the Luamgen Radiance Pro- this can do multi-point greyscale (I think upto 21x) Which can sort (likely) the Epson blue tilt and with all the other key features engaged - HDR Tone mapping etc We installed a Braco Freya RGB laser and the Multi point Lumagen was a god send to manging the light engine power.
10/10 video! Answering the exact questions we want to know.
Great video! Short question, what was the frame adapt setting on the jvcs? Theater optimizer in setting high?
I wish there was an objective measure of black floor like we do for contrast and luminesce. It's hard to shop for things when you've never seen them in person and don't have a hifi showroom nearby to demo. I'm sticking with my beloved last gen JVC x750 basically because of everything I've heard, no 4k projector has been able to match its black floor.
Well there technically is. White measurement / black measurement = contrast ratio. Or white measurement / contrast = black level.
I'd rather invest in JVC >NZ8 alone than any other projector brand + MadVR. Maybe it's UA-cam compression but also I feel like the NZ9 looks better than NZ8+MadVR. The MadVR route would make more sense for DIY versions IMO (due to cost).
Seen the JVC NZ8 vs Sony XW5000 and JVC NP5…… the NZ8 blows both away by far, can’t imagine how it looks with the Mad Envy. Between the XW5000 and NP5, I prefer the latter, as JVC’s HDR and blacks are very good, plus JVC looks more natural. Sony has great popping colors though.
I agree, the JVC looks better since the HDR is much more apperent. Tested the same scene on my Epson 6050 + vertex2 and I you allmost get blinded during the scene which makes the scene more "powerfull" IMO. I can still make out the faces, but not as detailed as the madVR shot on the right.
great comparison video!!
Very helpful thank you. Was thinking of getting the ls12000. So if i get the lower lumen version is it possible i get rid of the blue bias?
Great job. Obviously the JVC with the built in tone mapping is the way to go.
The Epson black floor just isn't enough during the dark scenes. ( I ran a Epson 5050 for 2 years ) Lots of low APL scenes in content now. Epson look as good as the other 2 in brighter scenes BTW.
Sony MUST update their Tone Mapping ASAP!
YES, Sony was amazing in bright scenes but fell apart in dark rooms to everyone’s surprise
Agreed. I think the biggest takeaway from all this is just how important DTM is for any projector in this crazy 4k/HDR world. JVC clearly understands this
Had a 5040 for years. Have a NZ8 now and this was my first take away in immediate differences. The black floor on Epsons just don't go low enough, but the blue push is more annoying.
@@stopthefomo I think with better calibration the Sony can get there. That new processor is too good.
@@stopthefomo Coming at this as someone with a Lumagen and trying to choose a new PJ, it was disappointing not to see a Sony with Envy vs a JVC. Since you did the Sony without external DTM vs Sony with DTM, you at least got to see how it looks.
Any chance you could try to summarize your impressions of how the 6000 with Envy compared to the JVC lineup? Also, how much difference in black floor between these new Sonys and the JVC?
These Comparisons reminded me of the Invidia T&T 2 ultra vs 3d fx where the tnt boasted 32 bit color that could be shown in screen shot but wasn't usable in game play. The sony clearly out preformed the JVC with the 5000 and 6000 at a lower price point, except for a unrealistic scene where highlights were boosted by the JVC's tone mapping and you could see detail that may not have been intended to be seen by the creator.
Literally every professional I have spoken with says the JVC is vastly superior. Not sure what you are seeing that is different from actual calibrators and professionals.
Any reason why you didn't have the NP5 in the mix? I would like to see some NP5 vs NZ7 comparisons.
On my sort list are the Sony XW5000 and the JVC NZ7. The Mad VR Envy got me curious now.
Which projector would you choose between the Sony 5000 and the Epson 12,000 if brightness was not the issue? I have a dedicated theater with a 115 in cinascope screen. I also use a lumagen for tone mapping
Can you explain how the lumagen works? Can you use it with a 4K Blu-ray player or a streaming device or does it have to be a computer?
Great video, but is there a NZ9 theater optimizer and madvr versus the 7000ES envy?
Was the Madvr Envy used the pro or extreme? How much does the pro cost? Thanks!
Thanks for the comparisons. For me I'm currently living with a pitch black theater room + Sony HW40ES and ready to upgrade to a Sony 5000 or Sony 6000 or the JVC counterpart. While brightness is important, color accuracy, gradient smoothing, judder reduction, sharp detail also matter. I would trade some brightness for all of those things. Before watching this video I was sold on the Sony 5/6000, now I need to consider the JVC as well. The JVC had its short comings too. The Sony had more detail and smoother panning. Every video I've seen before today showed the Sony to have a sharper image with more accurate color than the JVC. This video was mostly about brightness and contrast. Thank you for adding the panning scene. FOMO: If you have the chance I would like to see more comparisons about Sony vs JVC covering factors other than how bright it gets. Opinions and suggestions are welcome as make my decision.
Does the risk of panel degradation concern you with the sony? Almost pulled the trigger on it but went with the epson as I didn't want to risk it.
Which way did you ultimately go?
@@gregorystevens5173 , I went with the Sony 5000. No regrets. The picture is beautiful. Better blacks better sharpness better brightness than my 40 ES. If I had any complaints it would be a nitpick but the fan is louder than my 40 ES. But on the other hand, it runs much cooler than my 40 ES. It's also a little disappointing that I no longer have a 3D ability. But I only have a half dozen 3D movies anyway. And I still have my 40 ES that I can run them on if I want to. Overall the 5000 is the price point and performance that matches my need. The 6000 at double the price did not offer double value to me
@@yepyep111 , I'm not worried about the panel degradation. I've had my Sony 40 ES for years and the picture still looks good. I'm running my second lamp and I'm still happy with the picture. It's still looks a lot like it did when I bought it. Also, the new 5000 has a new redesign panel. We don't know if it will have degradation issues, but it's more likely that it won't considering it's a new panel versus the same panel that they've used for years. Of course there's no way to know for sure, but I don't feel worried about it. I've been using the 5000 for months now and I run it every single day and the picture still looks as good as it did the day open the box.
I have the Sony XW6000 and the picture quality is amazing. I watched a lot of dark scene movies and it does a great job. The blacks are deep. I don’t know how it compares with the JVC projectors, but it puts up a beautiful picture.
So glad to hear!
My experience with the 6000 also .dont know how this video shows the sony in such a bad light ( LOL) in dark scenes but its not accurate with my extensive testing . I used my 65" LG OLED as a reference and they look the same . This forum was not accurate regarding the sonys DTM . I also tested the sony 5000es and pretty great also . the extra 500 lumens( 5000 to 6000) does make a difference in HDR but if you set the HDR enhancer to high it does a great job . Lets be accurate and fair
This learned me that everything is a trade off. Has made it easier, but learned a lot haha
Which laser projector do you want? NZ9 is so good!
--- Epson LS12000 $5K bit.ly/3J70wY4
--- JVC NZ7 $11K bit.ly/3cMFPVu
NZ8 $16K bit.ly/3zyFsXu
NZ9 $26K bit.ly/3cJFeE2
--- Sony 7000 $28K howl.me/chKfYlOmsFg
6000 $12K bit.ly/3cIGUxo
5000 $6K bit.ly/3S4fYII
Great comparison! For a 150” 16:9 ceiling and walls painted flat black, light controlled, what would you suggest Epson LS12000 or Sony 5000ES? Also should I use a white screen? Thank you for the input!
What did you get in the end
@@cyan_28 construction has taken longer than expected. I ended up picking up the Sony 5000ES. Still sitting in the box waiting. Hopefully in the next 3 weeks get to set everything up.
@@kenpoS2Khow did it go?!
I watched the original 6+ hour stream...swayed my decision from getting a XW5000es to just today ordering a JVC RS1100/NP5. Thank you
I bought a vw325 but realized there was an option of NP5 for 1500 more , couldn’t be more happier.. returned vw325 and realized its almost disconnected a month later
Can you do a ultra short throw comparison too? Also maybe a ultra short throw vs traditional projectors compared in this video?
I’m thinking of that for sure
The JVC clearly betters the Epson in every clip.
Sony bettered them all in colour scene and JVC top spot in all dark scenes.
Very interesting test. Can't help but prefer the natural look of Sony projectors, even if I wish it came across as a bit brighter...
The most interesting thing to me about this shoot out, is how limmited the dynamic rage of consumer grade camera's are. What type of set up would you need to accurately capture 1000nits HDR scenes, probably something that has six digits in it's price tag.
any modern $500+ DSLR camera can do the job far beyond what a tv/monitor/projector can display. the problem is UA-cam compression. it only gets really expensive if you want a high frame rate camera over 60fps. the other thing to note is you need to know what lens and iso setting to use.
So glad I have my nz8.. i also use hdfury for dolby vision. This is my 4th jvc in 6 or 7 years.
Rs400 Rs520 Rs640 and now Nz8
Hi Jorge, how would you compare the RS640 to the NZ8?
@@alejandrocervantes4981 blacks on the 640 maybe 10 percent better but everything else on the nz8 blows it away. Really blows it away. Now if they had the nz8 with a bulb I would had taken it the price on the nz8 is just way too high. Now that I have a laser I really don't care for it.. I would had been happier with a bulb and 4000 cheaper..
Which he fury product are you using for Dolby vision conversions? I’m very interested in this but there product page is a bit overwhelming
@@ChuckPappas I use the HDFURY Diva.
I'm currently using a Benq ht3550 in my light controlled theater room (which I have actually been really happy with). I think the Sony 5000es is my next projector unless Benq rolls something new out soon. Does anyone have any new on new home theater laser projectors from BenQ at all?
Wish this was in a higher resolution youtube upload! Otherwise great content!
Yes! Bad rez.
I didnt see LS12000 + MadVR Envy with the 1917 clip up against NZ7. That would have been nice.
hi do u know any short throw projectors or long range under £800 that can do around 120 inch from 2.5m from amazon uk.
I like the Sony colors (in GT) in EVERY scene EXCEPT that really dark 1917 scene
The only thing I didn’t get to see compared was the NZ7 + MadVR vs Sony 7000es.
This convinced me NOT to buy a madvr.
What is the gain of the screen? No one mentioned that?
Need help on this one,im thanking getting the jvc np5 or the nx7 which one is the better one🤔🤔
that was the final decision i faced since the nx7 was on clearance but I went with rs1100(np5) mostly because of newer dtm and hdmi 2.1
Hey FOMO countdown to Saturday and Sunday infamous Value Electronics shootout. I know you are ready and excited. I'll be tuning in to see what's what.
What is the difference between the X1 processor vs X1 Ultimate processor? I am debating wether to get the older VPL-VW915ES or the new VPL-XW6000ES.
X1 has better shadow detail, but right now the newer 6000ES has not been impressive despite firmware updates and for the price, get the JVC
Thanks
The more I watch these comparison videos, especially with MadVR, the more I wonder what the director really intended. I feel like a lot of these videos aren't very functional without a reference monitor or even an OLED to go off of. Like some of those details MadVR pulls out of the shadows... are those really supposed to be there?
A reasonable question. But one that can be answered. And that answer is yes, IF the display has been properly calibrated. If you have color calibrated to accuracy, and you have gamma tracking accurately, and you have proper tone mapping like a madVR can do and you've set it up for the correctly measured brightness of your display, and that display is putting out reasonable foot lamberts in a properly darkened room that isn't imparting any editorializing on the picture, then you are seeing what is there to be seen. It is with HDR tone mapped poorly that one gets into wild Wild West territory where the detail that is being crushed and the unknown of how a projector manufacturer is implementing their tone mapping algorithms that you can't truly know if you're looking at an accurate picture in all respects.
Front perfector.. Great as long as the film doesn't jump between 2 aspect rations throughout the film e.g. the dark Knight
wishing there was reviews from non-cave setups. We have our media area as part of our main living area for socializing etc. Obviously not a blacked out box so there are going to be some compromises, would think this would be where the lasers shine and the ILA's fall off but hard to say for sure and how much...
Honestly, these are pretty much all projectors for blacked out rooms, or at least moderately treated, so most reviews are going to be around that. I have two rooms, a theater room and a living/great room. Theater room blacked out is where these types of projectors will shine, put them in a living room with white walls and ceiling and even the JVC will appear to have blacks not much different from a DLP or 3LCD (okay maybe a bit better than that). But they are probably not going to be bright enough for living room type area.
In my "living room" setup I put up an ALR screen and a conference room projector (Optoma ZU920T), that puts out nearly 6,500 lumens calibrated... nearly 9,000 lumens on full bright... Sure the Contrast is pretty bad at 1,000:1, but the white walls and ceiling are going to put any projector there anyways... The black level is what is going to be noticeable, but only if all lights are off. However, it is more than sufficient for the socializing area, and movies still look decent in lights off viewing if you bring the laser brightness down a bunch, plus I can watch during the day with windows shades open and it still looks pretty close to a TV.
Different projectors have different purposes. These are really meant for blackout rooms, would probably look pretty poor during day or lights on viewing, and would be severely crippled if placed in a completely untreated environment. There are extreme brightness projectors like mine that are good for mostly day viewing or giant 300" screens..., and there are in-between "living room" projectors that put out okay blacks and a decently bright 3,000 to 5,000 lumen picture for those that want a projector to suite both lights on and off viewing.
My point is, don't waste your money on a $12k projector if you are going to put it in an environment where a $2k projector would perform equally as well, maybe even better...
To be fair, I originally set out for one of these projectors with a similar room, and have since covered it in black motorized drapery after coming to the conclusion above. Needless to say, my wife is less than thrilled about it...
Would you take the NZ8 over the Sony 6000?
Can the shadow detail in dark scenes (in 1917) be brought up with calibration on the Sony XW6000 projector? It doesn’t have to be as good as the JVCs, but just want to know if the detail can be brought up with adjustments. Thanks!
It takes some unusual settings that will run contrary to one's experience with previous generations, but ultimately you can get there....probably. I have found that Brightness needs to be set considerably higher than previous generations to pull detail out of black. And with a large screen in a not pitch black room, you may find that SDR looks more like HDR than HDR does. Sony's near black behavior is taking some getting used to with this new generation.
Thanks a lot! That’s what I thought. What do you mean by Sony’s near black?
I have the 6000. I bought the 1917 hdr 4k disc to do my own test . My experience with the sony is outstanding and whether Sony had already added the firmware upgrade to my unit( if there is such a thing) I dont know . What I do know is that my dark scenes look great . the famous 1917 scene on the stairs was unwatchable at this forum but I can tell you that it is VERY watchable on my unit . The HDR is outstanding . My user setting is at hdr contrast of 85% ( or higher) 55 % on brightness ( instead of 50% default) Medium on the hdr enhancer and Full on the dynamic iris ( which is not actually an iris but effects the laser somehow) . if you drop the dynamic control to "Limited" or off the hdr gets considerably brighter even, but I prefer the blacks to be at optimum and have the theatre for it. good luck
@@jmr8111 Now you've got me curious. It seems most people claim the JVCs are "better" yet you're seeing something that clearly pleases you (and presumably you've got a critical eye). You've really got me wondering if I should at least give a Sony 6000 a trial. Any further insights you'd care to pass along now that you've had your Sony for a few extra months?
@@jmr8111 and @gregorystevens5173 also interested in an answer ;). I'm currently doubting between going for an NP5 or a Sony 5000
I did the test with my projector with the same scenes you guys did and I think im gonna hang on to my projector for some years to come I have had the FOMO disease since all those other laser projectors came out I know its youtube and your camera makes it look worst than it really does but my price range is the epson and the Sony 5000es and my projector looked better than both of those
Worthless comment without naming the PJ.
@@stodrac optoma uhz65 theo
Idk what you guys are seeing in that LS1200. The color looks washed out on everything. The into the spider verse demo you said the right looked incredible??? It reminded me of vivid mode. Colors all off and blending.
Prime example, to why I always watch my 4K discs converted to SDR 2020, on my Panasonic UB820, on my projector. It was too damn annoying having to do the balancing act, to get the black vs whites to not clip etc.
FOMO: Did the sony rep indicate that sony would fix the “base-black issues”- with its new laser projectors - noted in your MWAVE shootout, before the Value Electronics projector shootout on October 25? If so, how?
Can Sony improve tone mapping with firmware updates? And will you see the differences if you are not in a completely black and dark room?
Unless they completely revamped their algorithm, it won’t help. Sony’s DTM is simply useless, I’ve mentioned that months ago in the review on my channel
@@DavidSusiloUnscripted David your mistaken there . By this forum granted the 6000 is un watchable in the 1917 dark scene . I have the 6000 and can attest that dark scenes look great with some tweaking . which is what you should do anyhow. THE DTM is far from useless .MY reference is an LG 65" oled and the only difference in pic quality is the enormous screen . I saw your review of the 7000 and it nearly swayed my choice. If I had 15k perhaps Id go with the NZ8 but at 10,800.00 ( what I paid ) the 6000 is incredible . Between the processor being superior on the sony , the better motion ( and aren't movies all about motion people ??) and the personal preference of a higher level of detail , Im very set . I also love sports on the big screen and half the time i think im in the stands :) I know the NZ8 is a great machine but dont be so quick to discount the new sonys . Lastly once these external DTMs come down in price which they will you can always add one as the tech keeps improving anyway . good luck
6050ub vs ls12000 mostly black levels but overall to?
What?
Any projector with madVR is a better experience.
Hey Fomo. Great stuff. Can you share the screen material that was used? Was it acoustically transparent screen? Also what' was the gain on it?
The screens were NOT acoustically transparent and the gain on the screens were 1.1.
@@FriendOfaCoolFriend Thx for the info. I think FOMO should mention that since many who use projector do end up using AT screen. Plus this is 1.1 which means its reflecting more light than what's projected on it. Now since this is 1.1 gain, no one saw any screen effects? I mean in scenes specially the ones that get super bright, screen effects become visible unless one is sitting far enough to negate that effect like 12+ feet away
Price plays a big part, the jvc n27 is double the price of the cheapest sony projecter
Anyone has the time stamps for the movies?
Anyone have the movies and timestamps of the demos?
Esp interested in the harry potter scenes
What's the movie where they're fighting on the platform and the one dude is whipping the other?
Flash Gordon
Can the 5000es shadow highlights in 1917 be brought up to match the JVC in a setting? If yes and I'd consider it. I own the RS2100 (NZ7).
@mpitogo that is the question I have as well?
The Sonys needed a little more calibration on the dark scenes, but with some adjustments to the HDR Dynamic Contrast and brightness I was able to match the detail seen in the JVC without sacrificing the color saturation and accuracy that was seen on the Sony. Setup time was extremely limited on Sunday morning and we just had time to get the projectors sighted in on the screens and were unable to check final calibration. I am looking forward to a rematch where I can get a little more time for calibration
@@TheHifiguru thank you for the follow up Andrew I was hoping this would be case. I am think the 5000es will be my new projector. I saw a another UA-camr do a review on the 5000es and the HDR looked really good in his review.
@@TheHifiguru I have the 5000 on order. Will you guys do a settings video to help people get the projector to where it needs to be?
@Andrewturner That’s what I wanted to know as well. I was hoping the Sonys could at least get close to the jvcs in the dark scenes. Can you give us the settings that you used to correct the dark scenes with the Sony? I’m getting a XW 6000 projector. Thank!
Would have been nice if Sam Mendes was the judge. Haha
Do the same on ust projectors
Why did you take down the live streaming video from mwave
Nice review, but if you review 4K projectors, this UA-cam video should also be in 4K! Hard to see differences!
Would have loved to see the 1917 clip with ls12000 and madvr
Fomo, do these projectors make you feel like you're having a different experience (cinema feel) versus watching an OLED? Or do you feel the beauty of an OLED picture outweighs that 'feeling'?
No OLED can bring you the Cinema experience like a high end projector in a light controlled room. After you watch say LOTR on a 135-160" diag scope screen, there is no going back
@@shaolin95 Apart from the size, what else makes it different though?
@@wayneiceman apart from the size??? That is THE reason to go projector. If you don't want the immersive screen size that brings up cinema experience home then better stick to OLED
But I would never watch an epic movie like say LOTR, Star Wars on my OLED 75" instead of my 150" diag scope screen. I use the OLED for normal TV shows but for real movie watching..we go to the ht room.
The experience is completely different between the two
I’ll add that acoustically transparent adds another theater like quality. Size plus speakers behind the screen hidden and perfectly aligned with vocals and the action. That is what home theater is about.
@@FriendOfaCoolFriend You nailed it. AT screens brings another level of immersion you can’t achieve with OLED. I have 2 OLEDs, but use them for bedroom and living room watching TV shows etc. Not for Movies and Epics like Game of Thrones, LOTR, Star Wars, Harry Potter, Endgame, etc.
I did my own 1917 test bought the HDR 4k disc and was shocked to see that the Sony 6000 did a great job depicting that very dark scene on the stairs . from this video it looks like the sony is un viewable . I dont know if the 6000es in this video was prior to a sony firmware upgrade and the 6000es I tested was post firmware but they looked totally different . The HDR on the Sony is fantastic almost too much on the high setting. Great blacks . I have a 65" LG OLED as my reference and they look almost identical no joke. This is my own opinion but the Sonys were released and then sent back to sony why?? I know this for a fact. Perhaps the firmware was indeed implemented ?
does a comparison exist between a jvc and 3-5k ust projector? yes i know jvc probably has way better black and contrast, but a direct comparsion would be interesting
I was out once you calibrated all projectors to have the same brightness so that the participants would not be confused. Projectors should be calibrated to look their best on their own. Thank you for the effort, but it seems as you are always trying to promote another piece of equipment.
They explicitly said they didn't do that.
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I think the LG hu810p laser projector would have been a great competitor to the lineup! 💯
Jvc and epson look the brighter
Which harry poter movie is this one at 13:33 ?
NZ9 is the best among the ones showed in the video.
Sony gets another chance at the value electronics projector shootout in October. Will Sony get its tone mapping fixed by then and offer a firmware fix? I don’t think they can afford not to?! Meanwhile, I’m glad I didn’t jump on the sony projector bandwagon - just yet. Phew!
Sony never fix shit
Not a chance.
You mean Sony will continue to live in its own delusions of grandeur?
@@marvinabugov4579 Yup, JVC is always the king.
@@mr2cqql That was what everyone thought about Samsung UNTIL Sony executives decided to produce the A95K oled tv last year! Best tv of all time! (Value Electronics shootout Spring 2022.)
So, I have HOPE - Sony execs will see the “light” and DECIDE to improve the projector’s tone-mapping even more through a firmware update. It’s hard to realize $6,0000 to $25,000+ (depending on where you live and currency exchanges) to admit you settled for second best after two bona-fide shootouts! So you make “apologies for Sony” to save face for yourself. I see that in the comments from several sony customers who bought a recent Sony laser projector.
This time, I will likely buy another Sony projector, BUT not before Sony issues a firmware update or issues a new set of laser projectors with the firmware update included in it!
The bigger question is for 3D fans which one does a more immersive 3D pop out?
Epson’s out of the game since they dropped the 3D format on their new laser
the oculus does most immersive 3d
Sadly I remember I thought Sony used to do passive 3D, now all these projectors that support 3D went with the stupid shutter active 3D so I can’t watch anyways >_
Sony 5000 laser does not support 3D. The 6000/7000 do support it with a small plug device(sold separately)
Hi super quick question A80J 65" for 1150€ or G2 65" for 1500€ ? 99% of the time streaming from netflix/disney/prime app. I do read super great thinks about both tv's and the only reason i have not decided yet is, lg seems brighter then the sony (will i miss brightness if i mostly stream movies in the dusk/night?), but sony seems to do everything (beside gaming) a little bit better then the lg ... is that still correct for the g2 ? also bcs the sony is from 2021 and the lg is from 2022 ... also the ~400€ i safe i could invest more into my audio setup :)
I have a fear of missing out on making my mortgage payment if I buy the laser projector I really desire😭😅🤣
I know!
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@@keepingupwiththejones2933 my friend I hope you are well buddy.
Ya mortgage comes first.
I appreciate the commentary, but the side-by-side images all look like crap. The camera and streaming compression don't do justice for what one would expect to see in-person.
JVC ❤
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There is no battle royale here...JVC rules the projector wars followed by Sony
Wrong...the Sony colors crap all over the JVC...
The echo or something when you're talking about stuff is supremely distracting, please get everyone wearing headphones or something.
I don't own a projector but let me tell you about projectors and tone mapping
Jvc n27 is vinar,
How about a video on the best projector for each price range?
depending setting ... not good test!
My 85" QN90A beats all of these projectors. For those of us want 120" or larger image, and MiniLED picture quality wait till 2025, when likely 120" miniled will be available at under $20K
my 77" OLED already gave me a shxt load of trouble when moving. Not sure if a 120" TV can get through my front door without unpacking it first.
This is not true. Experience and how comfortable when watching a projector is completely different from very big TV. especially when you watch in dark room.
Hold on I thought your a tv guy? You said you never buy a projector and you even said you prefer tv over projector. Now what?
I'd rather have a big TV.
Why is he wearing gloves? Lol
I want an NZ5….
Honestly:
1) JVC wins every test.
2) Sony is so overpriced and overrated that makes JVC prices fair (which is kinda of a couple thousands bucks overpriced too).
3) Epson needs Native4K to be able to compete.
Wrong...the Sony colors crap all over the JVC...and the Sony 6000 is cheaper now than the JVC NZ8
The sony better in all pictures except the dark picture
You just confused me 🤔 Im going to stick with my OLED tablet so I can see the faces
This just shows how much of a fail these projectors are for the price, they all should be beyond perfect for what they cost.