The Three Best Home Theater Projector - Jvc, Sony, And Epson. We talk brightness vs Contrast. ALR
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2023
- The Three Best Home Theater Projectors - Jvc, Sony, And Epson
In this video Theater Advice gives it's opinions on the 3 big projector brands. In truth we like them all. We talk different price levels and what you get at each tier. There were a few price mistakes when I was talking as I hadn't seen some of them in a while. Was generalizing. But I did some corrections on pop ups. Enjoy I hope it helps many of you make the right decision when purchasing a new Projector. Sony vs Jvc. Sony Vs. Epson. Epson Vs. JVC. Home Theater Projector review 2023
We do not cover HDR or Tone Mapping because I do not believe that was a technology meant for projection being they are so much less bright than a television.
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This is the video I spent my entire day looking for. Everything I wanted to know wrapped up into one quick video! Thank you so much!
Really glad it helped. That's what I am doing on here.
Me too 😆
Just the info i was looking for. Awesome review..
Glad I could help
Thanks for this i learned a lot expecially about the native 4k vs pixel shift 4k and the better brightness. Thanks you have got a subscriber. Finally what do you think aboutthe benq HT 4550i vs the LS 12000
I am an Epson guy but that’s a nice unit. I stay away from single chip DLP as too many see rainbow effect. Nice and bright though.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV thanks
Just subscribed. Awesome videos my friend. Keep up the great work 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Means a lot thanks sir. It's a different take on AV from a different lens.
Great video, thank you.
Which projector would you prefer: the Epson EB-PU1006W or the LS1200?
It will be a dedicated cinema room without any distracting light sources. Room is 12 x 15,5 foot and i plan a 120 - 150 inch canvas. Thx in advance!
I like the 1006...Brighter is better. Always.
This is the video I’ve needed ! Thank you 🙏. I want to get a top tier projector for my birthday (it was May 6th) and Memorial Day or Labor Day is my shopping windows .. do you install in the concord, Ca. Area ?? Great looking installs in your showroom . It’s no wonder you won the awards ! You are the goat of HT!
Happy birthday! thanks for the comments. I can find an installer there vfor sure as I am growing that network now. Reach out to us through our website. The forms there go straight to me and if you say you're from YT I won't forward it to sales.
Thanks for a great video! Very informative. I don't know if you will answer me but I'll go for it: How does Sony (6000es) handles the differences in HDR (tone mapping) between movies to get the correct brightness?
Very good. JVC is better at it....HOWEVER.... HDR is really only meant for direct view not home projectors. They aren't bright enough to do it right and cannot make black so it's pointless IMO. so in short I don't care how any of them do HDR beause I leave it off.
Like the reviews you seem to know your stuff. Can you recommend a 4k laser projector for my home. It will be a dark basement and love gaming and Movies. Also want a large screen at 150 inch. But would like the option to have some soft lights on in the room sometimes. Can you suggest your top pick? Budget would be $5000 too $10000. Thanks 😊
LS12000 for brightness....if you can get a 6000ES around that much (the higher end) would be a great projector. Stay away from HDR. If you write us through my site I can help you directly. We take care of people all over the nation.
nice one. love your review "Big 3 guy"
Thanks for watching!
I have an old Epson HC3700 that I love for its ability to handle warm colors well. Whenever I see a video comparing a laser projector to a bulb based one, the lasers seem to struggle with reds. The LS11000/LS12000 seem pretty good, but I'm still afraid of having that nasty green/blue push if I were to try an LS11000. Maybe it doesn't look like that in person, but I wanted to hear your thoughts. Would it be a worthy upgrade if I'm using a 110" white screen?
Mine looks great. Sold 150...no issues.
I would get a gray screen with a .8 grain with the LS 1000 from everything I have looked at. Dream media has a good shoot out with all the different screen materials. You can really tell the difference in the colors with some of them. Especially between the all white and slate material.
Most definitely not. Buying a bright projector and killing the brightness with a low gain. Screen is not smart. Also, I forgot more about A/V yesterday than dream media has ever known. I have sent his lawyer a letter in the past for stealing my pictures off of my website, pretending they were his. He claimed he did not know they were mine. At which time I commented that he at least knew they weren’t his. Pretty fun getting a huge UA-cam following off of the laurels of others. Hilarious and pathetic. So I won’t be listening to him or even caring one percent what he thinks or says. Watch my screen video that’s all I will say.
I have been struggling to decide which projector to was next on my upgrade and the Epson just has so much VALUE!! Thanks for the knowledge!! Call me crazy but I currently own a Epson 5040 and one of things I love most is the motorized lens!! I think at the price point these all should have full motorized lenses.
They should....and the new one does.
I love the motorized lens for adjustment but I frequently have issues with lens sag (the memory slightly losing its image position)
Very helpful, thanks bro, I’m an Epson man myself . Where do you suggest buying replacement bulbs?
call a dealer ...we usually have them. Thanks for the comment.
Very much considering an Epson ls12000 as well as changing out the screen since I would like my current one a little bigger and I want to change the color of the screen as well. I receive a TON of direct sunlight during the day. Would a dark screen suit me better? I think is have a SI white screen right now.
Watch my most popular screen vid 😀
Wow! This SI Slate screen looks great but what's your take on the manufacture's recommendation of "Minimum Throw 1.5 x The Image Width"? I personally don't have an extra 17 inches of throw distance unless I drastically reduce my desired screen size... which would totally suck! Of course, the forums say that recommendation is to help avoid the ALR issues such as hot spotting, sparkle, and image uniformity. Thoughts?
They have to say something. I don't care about that stuff at all. Resolution is different now. And there is NO hot spotting in these screens. Not anymore...and not for a long time. Most people on the forums get caught up in specs and have literally no clue what they are talking about. Sadly. I don't even go on there anymore.
Thanks for your comparison on these projectors. I picked up the LS12000 a couple of months ago which replaced my BenQ W7000 I had for about 10 years. I'm currently very happy with the LS12000, but I am curious if I'm getting the most out of it with my current 120" white 1.1 gain Elite Screens pull down screen. Which screen would you go for with a light controlled room other than my white walls and ceilings with the ceilings having a slight slant on both sides? I've been considered either the fixed frame Elite Screen or Silver Ticket both in white. Thanks again for the down to earth video.
Watch my other down to earth video on screens :). And thanks for the comment. I appreciate it. Nothing wrong with a white screen but there is another layer. You’ll see
Stick with your screeen over what you mentioned till you can get the good stuff
Screen Innovations Slate 1.2 gain or .8 gain... IMO.
I have a 200 Inch projector screen. Would you recommend the Epson LS12000 for that setup or do I need to fork up the extra money for the EPSON PU1006 for my setup?
It can handle it at the right distance in a dark space but that's pretty big. I have a 153 and an LS12000 and it's amazing. LS12000 is a better video projector but that brightness of the 1006 is pure magic. Let me know if you need help we ship all over the US
How is the contrast and black level of that Epson 1006? Epson website says that it has a 0.35 ultra short throw lens, a 0.65 - 0.78 and 0.87 - 1.05 short throw lens. Have you tried these lens? With MadVR, it can be a good option for a big screen in a room that are lacking in length.
Please watch my ALR screen video.... "No such thing as black levels on a projector". : )..I am the only one saying it online...and I am the only one that's right. You cannot send "the absence of light" across a room. Scientifically impossible. Black levels come from screen and room only. The best black level you can ever get on a white screen and a projector is white with a little light on it. Having said that..the lumens of that 1006 is great. I use it in all high end systems including famous movie producers. I've only ever used the regular lens because I haven't had to use the others but they are all good and all do what they are supposed to do from different throws. And MadVR is always a good option on any projector if it's in the budget.
Legend. Videos are so to the point.
Thanks brother. We appreciate the viewership.
Revisiting this thread after more time and observations. After rechecking the Brightness and Contrast settings of my 5050UB, and Adjusting the HDR Brightness slider in Natural mode, I am getting fully cinematic image and HDR content that is as "impressive" as it is on my calibrated OLED. Fan noise is not really an issue here.
There are 3 projectors that David covered that should make the most sense (maybe only 2) for most consumers and me.
1. Epson LS12000. Yes, the right screen can improve contrast a bit, but given the brightness of the projector, 4k 120 for gaming, motorized lenses, and a laser engine, the value is just there.
2. Sony 5000ES. You do lose brightness, and a motorized lens, but you do gain a bit of sharpness and Sony image processing for a great picture. Also 1k more for the projector. It's truly a tossup between this and the Epson depending on how your main use would be.
3. JVC NP5 - Bulb based but otherwise getting you most of the NZ7 features. Again, not as bright as the Epson or the Sony. Calibrated this may not matter. 4k 120 and motorized lens, auto calibration. Is paying the same amount as a laser projector warranted? At this price, a laser based NP5 may have been a slam dunk. JVC, does not expect this to be your last projector at this price.
I've not made a final decision yet, but the LS12000 may be back in the lead.
I agree JVC needed a cheaper laser.
Many thanks for the advice. I currently have a 15 year old Sim3 which has seen better days. My screen is about 177 inches wide with a 33’ throw. Would the Epson PU 1006 do the job.
Yes. I just shipped two to clients in the nation. Email me through my site and I'll reach out.
I have the LS12000 and want to project to a 156" 2.40:1 screen Will it be bright enough for a Black diamond screen or should I stick with a 1.3 gain white screen? Total light controlled room.
I would tell you to do a slate. also watch my videos on 2.40 aspect ratios as it was a hot topic in my comments and I cleared it up. You can also only do a Black diamond XL at that size as regular BD stops at 120" ...but yes it's bright enough. I have a 153" at home. Slate.
I switched from the XS5000 to the LS12000 and I‘m very happy about this decision. It‘s the better projector for my living room
I love mine.
Hi! Great content! What's your take on the contrast between the three option at 5k ( current budget )?
All I hear is the higher ratio the better, and it should come before lumens "per say".
I come from a long oled user and even tough the blacks will never be the same as oled what's your take on the best combo? Go high lumens and low gain and forget constrast (such as the 6.000 EPSON beast you've shown)
or go with the higher contrast sony and just forget the rest?
Projectors can't really have..or make contrast since it's just on and off...and off..on a white screen is white. So tough quesiton. I think it's mostly complete BS TBH. and what you hear is wrong..that's why I got on YT. Watch my Truth about Home Theater Screens for more info.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV thanks a lot for the response, I will make sure to check all yours videos about screens!
Only the 1 video. It's the only video anyone needs to watch
What’s your recommendation for a retractable screen with tension for the epson?
SI Solo 3 is a nice screen. EPV makes a few as well.
what screen best goes with sony 5000es? Any advice please? in a light blocked room with black painted walls!
Still Slate 1.2 from SI. Email us through our website for a more detailed and personal touch.
Everywhere I go I hear that JVC projectors are still superior when it comes to black level. I’ve also read that the lens on the Sony projector. Laser line are all made of acrylic and not glass. Is this not true? I was thinking of possibly purchasing the JVC’s NP5 for my 135 inch acoustically transparent screen. What’s your assessment on this lens? Memory is very important to me as I have a Cinemascope screen to get the Sony 6000 it’s a big Leap up in price I really enjoy your videos. Keep them coming.
Can't say it enough. No projectors can make black at all so one can't be really that superior at making something....that none of them make. They are now a mix of Acrylic and glass with learned methods from Zeiss and his time with a contract with them. They did it for a few reasons. JVC makes nice projectors. They are really neck and neck in my opinion. The JVC does better lens memory. I've owned many of them. Hope that helps. You'll be happy either way.
I’m working on a new black laser that projects black light so you have RGB and now black RGBB projection would like to work with either Sony or Epsom to take to market if you have any recc who would be better to work with
I had the ls12000 and unfortunately it failed 2 weeks after i got it and there was no stock in Australia so i was forced to get the jvc np5 and you can DEFINITELY see the sharpness difference in native vs pixel shift, its at least 10-15% sharper if i had to put money on it. I was happy woth the epson amd if it didnt fail on me i wouldnt of ever tried the np5, and im so glad that it did happen
Both great. I've sold about 200 LS12000 no issues at all. Sorry you got a bum item. All three are great.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV the brightness on the Epson was definitely nice, I actually had it on 60% laser fron memory, I didn't need all its brightness in my light controlled room
If you were buying again for a 4.8m long room fully dark and movies only. What would you recommend. I'm in Aus too
@racecrashrepeat 100% jvc, it's in a different league, the calibrated brightness difference is like 2400 lumens vs 1920. With the latest jvc update hdr frame adapt version 2 it's even better
so to be clear, you find the np5 sharper but the lower brightness isnt an issue?
Thank you so much for this summary. It was fantastic with no bullcrap. I'm in Australia and the Sony 6000 is not available here only the 5000. Im building a full light controlled cinema 15ft deep. Anamorphic screen is something i love the look of. My screen will be AT with Krix speakers behind it. I have a feeling ill have to buy a lens as I don't want lose pixels or light for HDR. But that doubles the cost. I've been watching oleds Tvs for the last few years so black and contrast is something I appreciate see and appreciate.
What am I choosing here? I am so over deciding...
JVC - Blacks etc, but brightness from what I've seen is average. And I'm hearing our warranty in Aus is a nightmare to deal with. Months of wait times
Sony - sharpness is great but blacks suffer compared to the JVC. Also the 5000 has no lens memory so cannot setup anamorphic lens memory and then get a panamoroh etc later
Epson 12000 - bright but in a video it got DESTROYED for sharpness against the Sony 5000. It sort of ruined it for me. ua-cam.com/video/JdZMjrpXnmU/v-deo.htmlsi=EwFeUtoKABk4358N
What would you recommend. 90% movies only. No console...a F1 race once a fortnight. Can I move the lens out of the way automatically or is there a mode in the PJ?
Thanks again.
Is the 6000 only in US?
I don't know why the 6000 isn't avail. And I have the LS12000....watch my other vids on it...and other video topics. Sharpmess is great. Esp after you calibrate it right which most don't even know how (another video)...also better for gaming. 6000 I'll admit is better but still not as bright and I HATE HDR on projectors so I have no comment there.
Can you do an Epson ls800 vs a comparable long throw Epson for streaming and gaming? Btw your channel is awesome! Deserves more subscribers
I am working on it...and I appreciate it. I can't compare them because they are different technologies. ALWAYS go long throw when you can. If you watch my ST video I explain the issues there. They are both fine for gaming. I'd only get a ST if I had to.
Hi there
Adjust the colors again in dynamic mode today, since it is the only one where the light source of the projector switches off to black.
After yesterday's calibration, the projector is much more colorful, explosions and clouds are more vivid and realistic, before without calibration the projector was cool in terms of image compared to after.
For me, the EPSOn LS 12000B is also a phenomenal projector of the high-end class, with Sony and JVC, which doesn't need to hide behind the 1000.00 EUR more expensive Sony 5000ES, better lens, better brightness, etc., quite the opposite when you Considering that you have to pay EUR 15,000.00 for a Sony with the same brightness, and natively or not, a lot has happened in 4K shifting. EPSON is up to date, my eyes don't see any difference to native 4K either.
My values after calibration:
RGB level
10% = 0.3 ; 20% = 0.6 ; 30% = 1.5 ; 40% = 1.1 ; 50% = 0.9 ; 60% = 0.7 ; 70% = 0.6 ; 80% = 0.7 ; 90% = 0.2 ; 100% = 0.6
I paid more attention to a linear and balanced range here, and that things tend to get better rather than worse towards the back. More on that later.
CIE color space BT 709
Red 0.6 Green 0.6 Blue 1.3 Yellow 0.5 Cyan 0.6 Magenta 0.5 White 0.6 You should all meet and are within the tolerance range.
So,
all parameters are fine, but of course it can always be improved, only I have set one picture mode, namely cinema, where I will give you the other settings for the way, so that you also have a better home cinema than cinema .
The following applies:
movie theater
Hell.50
Ko55
Fasä58
Fato50
Sch14/14/14
white balance
FaTemp.7
G-M4
Fri in low
Liaus 75%
Dyn Ko High Speed
image opt.
image template 1
intoxication 8th
MPEG R. Low
sup right Fine L. / soft focus 6/14
Auto Co. Withd. 12
Scenes Gamma adapt. 7
Dynamic range
settings HDR10 8
image processing Fine
Have fun
The Basti
Thanks for sharing. Hope it helps folks.
Good video
Can't really see the difference on a camera looking at a screen...Poeple just show you what they want you to see. It's insight...if you want a shootout go to a place that has them all and see them. the point is to talk...YT wants 10 min videos...blame them.
@theateradvice the LS12000 is newer, so it will have more features. LS12000 has 8.3 million pixels, EB-PU has 4.6 million pixels. LS12000 can do 4K/120Hz, EB-PU can do 4K/60 Hz.
Now the next generation EB-PQ projectors (8.3 million pixels) will be more like the LS12000 but with lumens like the EB-PU.
All good info ...not really what the video is about though but good info for my viewers.
I have chance ti buy JVC DLA-X35 for 500$ with 3 reserve lamps! .It cost about 3500$ new. Is it worth that much money and is it really a good cinema projector?I have Epson EB U04 the colors have become pale and the contrast is weak. It is possible that the lamp has worn out..I want that JVC DLA X35B Thanx
I mean you can't go wrong...can probably sell those bulbs for more than $500 total...haha.
I love this guys authenticity! Non of that BS. Just straight to the point! You have yourself a new sub my man! Keep up the good work and knowledge!
I really appreciate it. I'll do my best. Always open to ideas on things to cover as well.
I just recently got the Sony VPL-XW5000ES and it's one of the most spectacular projectors for the money.
Although not as bright as the Epson, it does have a very crisp image and amazing black level and contrast performance. It is also brighter than my old LG hu810p laser projector that had 2700 lumens. Of course calibration killed most of the lumens on the DLP projector. But the Sony out of the box had better color and more accurate, so there was no loss in lumens. The 5000es has been measured to hit 2,180 lumens even though it's a 2,000 lumens projector.
I’ve seen it measured at 1900 also. Either way a great choice. I love and sell it often
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV LOL. Got to say here in India SONY is the Value as well. We getting XW7000ES for $12.5k and Z380 for $35k(yes brand new from certified dealers). That is insane value when considering JVC NZ9 is priced at $30k and NZ8 at $18k. God knows how SONY is pulling that off but we are happy here. Because all other stuff are overpriced so guess we can break even by saving on Projectors.
@@KING_DRANZER I’ve heard pricing in other countries is different
How's the lens on your 5,000 sharp across the screen
@@ryanpellico6083 from what I can see with my 50 plus years eyes, Very sharp, satisfyingly sharp!
Now not as sharp as my 77 inch LG C1 OLED. But then that comparison would not be fair on several fronts to compare anything to OLED 😁
One significant area you failed to discuss was tone mapping. Most viewers these days stream their 4k, and since no projector can meet HDR content, the tone mapping becomes even more important.
The Sony and Epson projectors are not in the same class when streaming HDR content.
Thanks for the information. I appreciate your efforts
I didn't fail..I purposefully didn't' talk about it. It's for HDR content. I don't believe any projector under 5000 lumens should have HDR on. It was brought on to projectors like a gimmick...same with 3D for home use. It's a technology meant for Direct View displays only. Projectors aren't bright enough for it. With a bright projector and MadVR it's fine I guess...still I'd turn it off. But yes...if you do use HDR...the JVC is superior. I don't think any of them look better with it on because of how much light it kills. So that's my two cents...just my opinion based on fact of what HDR was meant for. HDR meant for TV's....3D meant for commercial theaters..both tacked on to other tech to boost specs then you have to do a million things to make it look good.
I agree with the HDR comment, but 3d on a 120-inch screen looks amazing.
@@3483maverick 3D is fine … just active glasses which some are sensitive to. 3-D is really a technology meant for two projectors. But if it doesn’t bother you enjoy it. It’s definitely cool just not something that will stay around forever because it was kind of gimmick. That’s why a lot of projectors went away from it and don’t come with glasses anymore, etc.
@HomeTheaterAdvice So your advice is what? Stick with Blu Ray discs? Probably fine for the video end, but they almost never have the Dolby Atmos mix.
I can say I saw the NZ9 and the xw7000es back-to-back at Audio Advice Live last year and was embarassed for the Sony rep. Both demos used the race scene from Ready Player One as one of their clips and the Sony didn't resolve any details in the dark portions of the picture, just a muddy mess. My 8 year old JVC rs500 handles the scene better than the xw7000es did.
Just my 2 cents.
@@Zachary_Setzer well not sure where that came from but if you can't afford a K-scape and want best content..sure watch a disc. I hardly watch discs...so not sure how you got that from any of my videos. If I cared about HDR...which I don't...AT ALL i'd say get the JVC. I like Epson better than any of them for the money anyway. Brightness always. a 5000 lumen projector will handle HDR actually. It's not meant for projectors is what I said. and it wasn't. Just attached to them and they are still trying to make it look good. lol. It's a TV tech... But as always. To each their own. Your two cents matter too. Thanks for it.
Can you please elaborate on the black diamond not really going over 120"? I see they sell them bigger than that, so does quality drop or something? I was thinking 140" for me. Would you prefer slate at 140" or black diamond at 120"?
Amazing content from this channel, thank you
Yeah there is only one machine that makes BD and it goes to 120". ONly BDXL goes beyond that and it's not as good and way more money....still better than slate. Just not as good at 1.4 BD. I am always size over black diamond..unless 120 is the biggest you can go. Just not below a Slate.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV thank you so much for the response. If I have some tall windows on my back wall of my 26' deep room, would you recommend upgrading to the brighter Epson 1006 over the LS12000 to combat the light if I have to go with Slate instead of Black Diamond? Or will I likely be okay with just the LS12000 with the slate at 140"? Plan to sit around 16' away and keep the lights off in the front half of the room
Light from the rear will effect ANY sreen poorly as een an ALR screen cannot reject from that direction as it cannot differentiate between projector and sunlight. So that light will have to be controlled if it's from rear. @@CH-pp5py
I see, would a UST work better in this situation then? I'm not fond of taking up the space I want to put my center channel though.
Would be ok. Hard to go past 120 with those. Sun affects all screens.
Do black diamond screens suffer of hot spotting?
Not anymore. I have 6000 lumens on the one at the showroom....gorgeous. That used to be an issue for sure. Center looks as bright as the sides.
Wow, great, you included top-notch brands like Epson, Sony and more.... of course, you have to pay the price to get them.....
I wouldn't say any of these brands are expensive on all levels... Epson 4050 is $2399, Laser for $5k and Sony true 4K $5999. In our world....just normal.
Is True 4k the same as Native 4k? Some manufacturers claim True 4k but are not Native 4k.
The majority of 4K displays come with 3840 x 2160 pixel (4K UHDTV) resolution, which is exactly four times the pixel count of full HD displays (1920 x 1080 pixels). There are also 4096 x 2160 pixel (DCI 4K) displays for the film industry that are referred to as 4K displays. YOU WILL NOT SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN ANY OF IT. THAT'S WHY I DON'T TALK SPECS AT ALL. EVEN "FAKE 4K" LOOKS PHENEMENAL AND NOBODY CAN TELL UNLESS YOU ARE INCHES FROM THE SCREEN. To me brightness, color accuracy is more important.
Hi building a home theatre with no window and minimal lighting. Room is 15x18 and was leaving towards the JVC NZ 7/8. Was told about the Epson but not sure if I'd like the lower black quality. Will probably have madvr. Was not considering Sony, would you still recommend Sony over JVC?
So ...first of all no matter what they say...anyone says online..even if Jesus told you...projectors don't make black. Not JVC..not Epson...not for a million dollars. If you watch my screen video this will help you more than this. Other than that they are both good. I own the Epson...i'll take brightness and a good screen (that's how you get black...has nothing to do with the projector AT ALL) Hope that helps. Watch the screen video...it's my most watched probably. For a reason.
Thank you, watched the screen video and loved it.. Learned some more info. I know now which screen to get. I would love to see they black diamond side by side with the 3 projectors in a very low lit room
Screen lives matter most...they will all look good. @@johnmoricone294
I have an Optima UHD 60 and it finally died, what do you suggest in 2-3K range?
BenQ makes some nice units....Epson 4050 nice choice. Find an old 6050 even they are floating around. JVC makes a nice little laser DLP too
I considered the Sony 6000ES but was dissuaded by some concerns I've heard about panel degradation issues I've read about. My previous projector was an Epson 6050 which I loved. When I was ready for a laser projector I really wanted to go with the LS12000 but Epson chose to drop 3D support, which ruled it out for me. I ended up going with the JVC NZ8 and have been extremely satisfied. I don't doubt the Sony has a better overall picture but doubt it's significant enough to matter in practice. Meanwhile the JVC's handling of HDR is unmatched and it wins the contrast battle in every shootout I've seen.
So the panel Degradation issue was on an old model. Not heard it once on the new ones. But I replaced my 6050 with the LS12000. Love it. 3D is dead as sad as that is for some. Older content is fine but less and less being done or supported. JVC makes great stuff. Just not as bright. I cannot stand HDR in projection but that's just opinion. I'ts too dim for me even in the dark. But you made a good choice.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV I dunno. Avatar - Way of Water is not exactly "old content" but I do understand what you're saying. I have a nice 3D collection and want to view it as I please, so 3D support mattered to me. I know why Epson dropped it, I just hate it had to be that way.
I tend to think you're right about the panel degradation issue but wasn't willing to risk it as I doubt Sony would cover it once the warranty expires.
Thanks for your response and your content.
@@GunnyPhillips Just not a lot being supported or coming out. That's why tv's and projectors stopped making it an option or at the least stopped including glasses etc. But it was cool for sure. It was something that probably hurt them a little by not including it. Couldn't have cost them that much to leave the tech in there.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV Manufactures have to be concerned with what the masses want. Us enthusiasts sometimes get left behind. It is what it is but I do love an occasional 3D film.
@@GunnyPhillips Yeah unfortunate. Not sure they should have taken it out though. Who knows.
Thank you great video coverage.
There is a larg lens old sony rating 5000 lumens VPL-VW5000ES
Have a deal 10k will that projector do justice with HDR ??
How it's blacks and contrast?
VPL-VW5000ES VS VPL-XW7000ES
All used with a deal 12k who wins?
Hi. Not sure I fully understand since there is no such thing as an OLED projector. And the 5000ES is only 1900 LM rating. I don't recommend HDR for anything under 5000lm. Just my opinion but even with correct settings...it's just dim. I'd watch out with "deals"..you won't get warranty on something very expensive. Buy small and local.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV sorry my mistake no oled. There is a Sony projector 4k 5000 LM has large lenses VW-5000es not the new xw5000 with 2000lm.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV no oled i ment old model
The Epson and Sony I like are currently the same price at my Best Buy... if I care the most about how good it is in the daytime are you saying the Epson is preferable? I think that's what I'm getting.
If that is even a small concern the epson is light years better...no pun intended. Even though that's a unit of distance.
Thoughts on Epson 3800 for the “under $2,000 budget projector”? P.S., I’m using an old 100” Stewart Firehawk screen, light control is pretty good. Had a JVC dla rs40u. Finally died. I am also cheap…..lol.
Nice and bright. Great for the money.
I have a 3500 lumen Panasonic 1080p laser projector on a 135-inch Silver Ticket grey screen and I'm pretty happy with it; it's got a great picture. Can't afford any of this high end stuff, lol.
All that matters is that you like your stuff in the end.
Hi do you have a video on UA-cam for home cinemas made with a budget of10-15-20 k
That's my next video : ). Friday at 5 it drops. And it's almost all we do outside of the fancy stuff. So we sure do. Thanks
i heard you loose 30% after calibration with the Epson, so its pretty similar light output to the JVC..with JVC you get tonemapping. WHen is Epson going to get that?
Maybe if you put on HDR...wich I say not to do. I don't lose anything when I calibrate mine. HDR on a projector shouldn't be used until you get about 5000 lumens or more....and even then I don't like it. It's a tech built for flat panels.
is a cheap DLA-X 5000 *JVC Rs400 ) , a banger for 2024_? is its lower price then a 9300 epson(
Nice unit. Not laser but great for the money if you don't mind bulbs.
Since I got my SONY VW1000, I've only bought a couple of times the original bare 330 Watt Philips lamp and within 15 minutes I install the replacement lamp, and so a new lamp only costs me 150 euros instead of 600 euros (including the module) plus I'm a non-smoker and don't have any Pets and every two or three years I open the housing and vacuum the built-in fans inside and out.
Sounds good
Where is your show room located
Hi. We are in North Dallas. We have two showrooms located in Frisco, TX and Southlake TX.
Right now ..The best value to performance is the new Benq ht 4550i, 4 led..3200 ansi lumens..both ways lens shift..
Glad you like it. I have different picks.
I agree with you on the Epson for value and that would probably be my next projector for a big screen. I currently have a JVC and I love the blacks but doesn't have the lumens for a larger screen. I love the way the Epson looks on that black diamond screen but it is way over my budget, what screen would you recommend with the Epson that is more affordable than the Black Diamond ? I appreciate your advice...
So first...I have to always say it..lol. Projectors do NOT have black levels. Having said that lol..the slate works well with every projector really. I like JVC...I've owned three in my life. Epson and Slate is what I own and love it,
Can someone tell me is JVC home projector superior than Barco home theater projector. Is there any other projector brand better than JVC?
Barco is bettter.....more money though. That stuff is the real deal for sure.
From my experience, talking with clients and HT enthusiasts, JVC is the cream of the crop.
Their high end stuff is very good yes. Feature heavy. Same chip set as Sony...but a little more tweaking. I touch on that too.
So. Help me choose. I can’t buy a second hand JVC NP5 with 100 hours, no guarantee for 5,5 k$, an Epson lS12000 for 5 k$ or an Epson LS11000+with a Vroom (yada yada that will handle tone mapping sorry can’t remember name) all projected on a 128” ARL screen for 2.5t€ in a decent but not light controlled room. TIA!
LS12000 is the best bet. JVC is scary...they have no online dealers and don't honor warranty without an authorized purchase. I could buy a $20K projector easily if I wanted..I have an LS12000. HDR on a projector is pointless IMO
what would be the oled TV equivalent projector?
No such thing. Bright projector on a Black Diamond screen (other videos on this) is your best bet.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV thanks!
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV thank you. I had my sights on epson ls11000 but then thought refurbished sony xw5000es gives me better experience in my completely light controlled media room. Can you please suggest? Or i should just get epson ls12000 instead. I am spoiled by LG oled’s black levels and sharpness and would love to have something atleast near to its quality.
Suggesting that you watch my video on screens. You don't get black levels from screens. You are concentrating on the projector too much when you don't' get black from the projector. Want the best contrast get a Black Diamond screen and whatever projectort you can afford after that. @@samratkautilyach
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV thanks for the prompt reply. I just watched the video about screens. That was an excellent insight into screens and how no projector can project black, brutal honesty which i loved. But arent some projectors better at sending least light to display black compared to others. Which corresponds to better blocking of light in specific regions. Please do correct me if i am wrong here!
Picture quality aside, the things I am looking for from a projector are laser (for lifespan), low fan noise, auto picture mode switching, and best obtainable picture quality. I have a 5050ub at the moment and the fan noise is horrendous and so is having to manually switch between SDR and hdr settings. I do think the Sony 6000es is a strong contender but the NZ7 is very close due to auto calibration and 8k future proofing. I find myself going back and forth between the two and thankfully have a few months to make that decision.
Those are both great. I’ll say though I e never seen a projector of any price do HDR that I’d pick over SDR. It was tech built for direct view displays. Projectors aren’t bright enough (under 5000lm) to handle the content. Every time I mess with it even proper settings I’d prefer SDR. I don’t hear the fan at all on my LS12000. The 6000ES has a known issue with FN. but I really like it. Either would be great. I’d star away from HDR on all of them. Just my opinion.
@@KimmoJaskari I never hear it and run my LS12000 full bore. Showroom either.
Has Sony fixed their panel degradation issues?
They tell me they have. Time will tell.
No they didnt!
This guys a straight shooter and knows what hes talking about.Straight shooter being most importamt.
But this video was made 9 months ago.
Yes a lot can change in 9 months. He's also right about screen technology changing.
I personally dont love having the home "theater" so much anymore and Ill tell you why.
But firdst ill say...if you have the money...and I mean 6,000 sq feet minimum house and $80,000 doesnt make your cold one pull back up into the warmness of your torso then yes recreate a movie theater for the kids.
But...having more of a man/fam cave loungie comfy comf room with beautiful ambient light running throughout and like a huge horseshoe shaped couch with nappy poo blankets and pillows layin around it is the way Im tellin you to go.
Ultra short throw projectors with specific UST screens they have today? Ohh its a 120"-150" laser tv lookin like a beaut in almost total light.
And you can take those $25,000 30lb black tanks they weld up on your ceiling and throw it out with the babys bath water. And thats just for the PJ.
Sht....for $15,000 you can get a UST projector, a floor rising UST ALR/CLR screen and a beautiful cabinet furniture that has a motorized tray in it that hides the UST PJ when youre not using it and lifts it up and out when you hit the power button for the PJ.
And it operates the floor rising screen all at the same time.
And not to be a dck cos EVERYONE thinks those Sony/JVC and Epson are the bomb...but they aint. Theyve all been getting their sick kicks with us for years.
Non innovative. These USTs have technology and features those big name behemoths cant touch. Theyre trying to play catch up now with the Dolby Vision capability. And dont get me started on the light bulb lamps that actually suck yet they still been giving yall the bone in ribeye if you know what I mean.
I sell those too...different video too : ). But thanks for the comments. I do in fact know what I am talking about. : )
You have a new sub. I am looking at upgrading from my JVC X35. I am torn between the LS12000 and the 5000es. I redid my room and went with a faux wall build. My screen is a 16.9 140 UF centerstage material. The room is dark and light controlled. Which projector would you go with? Thanks again.
Between those I give it to Epson. They are both good. Sony might have a small picture quality upgrade that I cannot see even with my glasses on...lol but it might be there. brighter is always better. And cheaper too : )
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV that's what I was thinking. Thanks again.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV I do have one more question. What do you recommend for tone mapping? Thanks again.
@@percybedford6266 I am not into HDR on projectors. I talk about it a lot. Not bright enough. But if you're into HDR and want to do tone Mapping properly get a MadVR..this is when it's totally worth it.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV yeah that makes sense. I just don't think MadVr is worth the price.
My SONY VW1000 still working since 2013
That's good. Getting value out of your purchase is everything. Things are so much brighter and better now but if you love it...ride it out.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV Since I got the projector, I've only bought the original bare 330 watt Philips lamp and within 15 minutes I install the replacement lamp, and so a new lamp only costs me 150 euros instead of 600 euros (including the module) plus I'm a non-smoker and don't have any Petsvand every two or three years I open the housing and vacuum the built-in fans inside and out. Greetings from Munich Germany
The Sony 7000 ES has terrible black levels, I own one. Watching the night part of "Zero Dark Thirty", about 75% of the picture is missing completely! I'm considering selling if for the jvc n9 because I hear they have better black levels than others.
yeah...if only projectors has black levels which they don't. You need a better screen. If you have a white screen the best black you're gonna get on any of them ...is white. Watch my screen video for more proof.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV I have a 130" AGS grey silver ticket screen, black levels are still bad. I think I should just stick with tvs, there is a 115" TCL now, might try my luck with that and hope it doesn't get destroyed during shipping from China. Others might be happy with the JVC nz9 projector, but I can't afford to keep trying things, its too expensive. Today I went and looked at led walls in person, specifically the Planar 136' ultrares T or something equivalent to it. It was HD resolution but I was still very underwhelmed with the picture quality and black levels, seemed inferior to any regular tv for sure.
You just have to stop buying cheap screens and expecting good results. SI slate at MIN… black diamond will get you there. Blacks DO NOT come from the projector. Not even if you spent a million on it. It’s not possible. Don’t buy a $6k projector and a screen from Amazon. That’s the issue. My screen costs $4k MORE than my projector.
I’ve seen them all. I’m in a HT group circle of enthusiasts. We’re all JVC. There are Epson two are LS12000 they did it for cost mainly. There are more to it than just lumens. We have professional projectionist with decades of experience and he chooses JVC. After calibration epson will lose brightness. I think it was measuring at 97 Nits. As HT enthusiasts we’re looking at not only brightness but also accuracy. The Epson was driven by an Envy Extreme and fully calibrated but it didn’t have the same performance as a JVC. Especially in a very dark controlled room. JVC’s dark performance and contrast is hard to beat.
And I bet it's all on a white screen....watch my other videos.
Explain how a projector has contrast if it doesn't make black...I'll wait.
Also I love jVC too...this isn't an Epson sales video. I've owned 3 JVC...not bright enough till the expensive ones. So if brightness doesn't matter how come EVERY projector charges more for it. But you guys can geek out on all the stuff that doesn't matter that much....screen first.
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That doesn't compete with any of the projectors in this video but a nice unit. It's basically the best one you can just set up on a wall in an apartment. I don't take any projector seriously with speakers built in. But pretty bright. Hope you don't see rainbow effect. I havent sold a single chip DLP in well over a decade because of it. It's a good one for the money though sure. Give me Epson all day. LG makes good tv's
Another reviewer did a really good side by side of the Sony and Epson. I have seen both in person and there most clearly is a big difference. I would say the Sony is 10 % sharper and cleaner and has at least 10% better black levels. Epson for sure is brighter but looks washed out at times. Disappointed Sony when cheap with the entry level lens. I may just bite the bullet and get the more expensive Sony with the motorized lens.
Projectors don't have black levels. Watch my screen video.
They project black levels so yes they do in a sense.
Oh man...please tell us how "the absense of light" is sent across a room. They ABSOLUTELY do not project black levels. They send a "dim white light" to the dark area meaning they ruin blacks with light. But you can believe what you want...most clearly do. I'm still 100% correct.
@@scotttild
Oh good it’s better for dark rooms like home cinemas
All rooms are dark till the projector turns on. Watch my screen video for more info.
Kris Deering runs Deep Dive AV, a professional AV Calibration, consulting and education service. He's also a writer/technical editor of Sound and Vision magazine and has been a writer/editor for both Home Theater magazine and Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity. You are welcome to challenge him and others in the 8-year-old, 5000+ comment-long thread about the SXRD degradation issue.
I know him and that's fine. I am saying...my clients don't talk about it or complain about it. If nerds on YT want to spend their time doing it...have fun. I own and love the Epson more anyway...which is clear by the video. And those are the same people that say projectors have black levels.lol. So they can come challenge me.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV People who spend $5.000 or more on a projector care about quality, if that is being a nerd then most people are nerds. But good for you if your customers don't care if they pay $5.000 or even $20.000 for a projector that delivers less contrast than a $2.000 DLP projector in a year or two.
and $2000 DLP have color wheel issues still. No perfect tech.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV But your customers don't care, right?
I mean, I’ve probably sold 500 of these projectors. The only time I have ever heard this is on UA-cam. Not that I don’t believe it but since I’ve never heard it as the actual retailer, I would have to say they don’t care. As I’ve said before.
Are you sure the Sony lenses are all glass with no plastic in there?
They are now a mix. I was mistaken. But the lenses were designed by Zeiss before they broke. But they went to a hybrid lens recently. Still love their stuff. I'll see more tomorrow. I can't know everything...I don't research and I know about 90% of everything I sell which is literally 10K things I bet.
They only use the glass lenses on the higher end models not the low end 5,999 model.
@@scotttild yeah, I covered it in some of the comments. They use a hybrid lens was still all designed by Carl when he was with Sony or had a relationship with them. Doesn’t really matter still a great projector.
Epson 6050 is a better with brightness and Contrast than 4050 on a 180 inch Stewart screen with 4k and 2k contents. I cannot see the pixels sitting 10 feet away unless you are a foot away and your eyes cannot see the difference. I think it’s a waste of money to spend over $4000 for a protect when the technology is constantly changing if you are planning to upgrade every 2-3 yrs. I do pend my money on quality speakers and audio equipments….
6050 Is better but it's also not sold anymore so talking about it would have been pointless. They replaced it with the LS12000 laser and kept the 4050 in the lineup.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV you are correct sir.. it was a good run for them while it lasted because of advanced with technology for them. I will go with another Epson when a better option and more advance model for Epson down the road. I do like your channel and informative. Could you do a show on those giant (100-300 inch) mini-led.. thanks and have a great day
@@johntyler2127 I sure will be. We are installing one at a pool. Might be a while but at a video a week for years to come I'll eventually cover it all. I will say it doesn't replace a projector to me. Too bright at those sizes for a dark room. I do like them though.
If you have a 3D collection the JVC NZ7 is the obvious choice - the Sony 5000es will not play 3D and the 6000 and 7000 need a $2000 adapter compared to $150 for the JVC.
Dead tech. But yes if you own old ones sure. Active 3D IMO is garbage.
just stay with epson unless your building a small movie theater if its just a room where u can see the speakers and it looks like a big tv dont spend so much moeny just stay with the cheapest one
Thanks for watching
Hi Guys I am new to home cinema and have followings doubts.
1) Is it okay to watch movies in 16:9 aspect ratio at 150"
2) Even many projector have 4k but any projector support multiple vedio formats like HDR 10+, DOLBY VISION, etc.,
Watch my last video of my room. 153" 16x9....and I go bigger for clients all the time. Stay away from HDR. IMO on all projectors. It's a technology meant for direct view displays that are much brighter naturally. You need 5000 lumens in a projector to even talk HDR in my opinion. Even then id leave it off for SDR60.
Epson 4050? I'm very confused
It's the LS12000 in this video but yes we talk about that one too and love it. Great Bargain projector. Not sure what you're confused about though.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV just because I heard 4050.
Yes...I cover them all there.
I would probably get a Sony if it wasn't for the well-documented problem with the degradation of the polarizer in the SXRD light block. If you're unlucky, you might pay a premium price but get DLP contrast and drifting colors after 2-3 years. No thanks, I'm probably getting an Epson. Kris Deering runs Deep Dive AV, a professional AV Calibration, consulting and education service. He's also a writer/technical editor of Sound and Vision magazine and has been a writer/editor for both Home Theater magazine and Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity. You are welcome to challenge him and others in the 8-year-old, 5000+ comment-long thread about the SXRD degradation issue.
That was an old Sony issue...But i own Epson as well.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV It has affected ALL sxrd generations, we’ll have to see about the latest version (W5000/6000/7000) that is too new to be affected. Let’s hope for the best. Kris Deering runs Deep Dive AV, a professional AV Calibration, consulting and education service. He's also a writer/technical editor of Sound and Vision magazine and has been a writer/editor for both Home Theater magazine and Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity. You are welcome to challenge him and others in the 8-year-old, 5000+ comment-long thread about the SXRD degradation issue.
I'd say...don't buy one. : )
I've sold about 300.....never heard one doing that. And trust me...I'd have heard.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV It's a proven, well-documented issue. How many of the 300 have you measured at delivery and then after 2-3 years? This is an example from Kris Deering when he measured a Sony VW885ES, 3 years old and with 4000 hours on it: "Contrast just under 2K:1 (1:1626) and light output is about half of what it was last time I was here. You can see the RGB values have shifted massively toward blue as well." That's a $25.000 projector with DLP contrast and drifting colors. Kris Deering runs Deep Dive AV, a professional AV Calibration, consulting and education service. He's also a writer/technical editor of Sound and Vision magazine and has been a writer/editor for both Home Theater magazine and Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity. You are welcome to challenge him and others in the 8-year-old, 5000+ comment-long thread about the SXRD degradation issue.
What about the 6050
Great projector. Just not been made in a year. I have 3 new in box for a great deal actually
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV I’m in Australia, I currently have one on order, along with all my other gear.
Awesome. Good unit enjoy
Money is always and issue. Home theater processor, amplifiers. Speakers, 7:37 cables , room acoustic.........
Not sure I ever said it wasn't. Confused of the point of your comment.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV you mentioned in part of your video the cost of some projector, so is all the equipment that comes with building à home theater, it all depends how much you have, because there's no limite...
yup...I agree. that's why we ask everyone for a budget. Again..im not understanding the point of your comment. Better things cost more money...true of everything. @@invisibles362
I'm not married to any brand because I don't have a projector. I'm looking for a projector and I'm open to anything. But I see the content of the video with a lot of bias towards the ls12000.
Each projector has its strengths and weaknesses, but only the Epson's strong point, which is light, is emphasized. Furthermore, it seems that to emphasize it he is forced to say non-real data (doubles the light difference between projectors)
The ls12000 does not have 3000 lumens per specifications, but 2600.
The Sony xw5000 does not have 1900 lumens due to specifications, but 2000.
Also, if the ls12000 is calibrated, that light difference disappears, compared to the xw5000. He also doesn't mention this.
It seems to me like a typical video of a commercial that encourages you to buy a single product.
It's my impression.
WRONG..I sell them all. I own an Epson and find it's the value play is all. I don't care what my clients buy...I talk about the strengths and weaknesses of them all. I've seen them all....just my opinion on what I see. Adn i see a lot more than most.
Please say Sony as i have already ordered that one 😅
Sony makes a good projector. Just make sure you bought from a real authorized dealer
I get your projectors don’t do blacks argument. Makes sense. Also acknowledging your the only one saying this. What about contrast. Why does everyone online, including professional reviewers say JVC is the OLED of projectors?
You tell me. lol. I can't figure it out either. If they'd like to call me up and explain to me how they are sending "the absence of light" across a room I am all ears. They just claim that they send "less light " LMAO...to the dark area. Ok...so you still send some light there. Great. That's NOT BLACK ..that's just the same color of what the screen is. My answer in short is... these professional reviewers need stuff to talk about...it's all BS...and that's why I started this. I am tired of the silly stuff. They review...I sell ... and I sell more screens than anyone in the US. I think they need to justify what they are saying and not just say it. Feel free to share this with them. They can write me. I've asked the quesiton to JVC directly actually.. they look like Joe Biden on a Podium. OLED's are black..because it's off and it's Black. The pixels are black when off...turn a projector off..it's a white screen sitting there. They are probably paid to say this dumb stuff. I am the only one making sense... about how light works.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV Hahahaha you had me at dementia Joe. But on a serious note, that makes sense.
Oh..contrast...complete garbage made up BS. Most just lie. If you look at a super high end projector they will say 3000:1...even that's a lit. THX is 150:1...that's what they shoot for in the theater. So when JVC says 1M:1..it's a lie. They read it on a white screen...plug it into a 220V circuit and blow the bulb...take it at the height of the Blow...and another reading after it was broken or "off" giving them weird peak fake contrast. But sure...they all have good contrast. JVC might at best send the least light to the dark area...still not black. Just less light. But inflated specs will always be a thing. Same with watts in a receiver. Mostly BS. Hope that helps.
I try...I really do. I am as confused with their BS as you are. Especially when they review for a living. I guess they have to talk about something. Doesn't make me scratch my head less. OLED of projectors...FFS.
Die Garantie sagt doch nix mein Sony ist 10 Jahre und macht immer noch ein geiles bild VW 500
No clue what this says.
I don't understand why the FDA would care if you have a 10,000 lumen projector in your home. What does the Food and Drug Administration care about who has what home theater projector installed? Projectors and home theaters have nothing at all to do with food or drugs.
Has something to do with the laser and health. Have to train not to look into it and train client the same. It was dumb and crazy… but 100% true. Lol. And took forever.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV Wow, I never would have guessed that. Good to know!
www.fda.gov/media/107723/download
What about Sony panel degradation. And tone mapping. You must not be a dealer for JVC because you're pushing everything BUT JVC.
I commented on this plenty here. I do sell JVC. like it. I don't like HDR on projectors at all...it's not even a tech that was made for projection. If you do care about HDR on a projector JVC is probably the best. None of them IMO are bright enough to handle HDR the right way. I owned about 4 different JVC over the years and swapped to Epson for it's brightness in the end but like all three...that's why I talked about all three. I am talking to regular buyers usually and things like Tone mapping are not on their radar trust me. I am not sure I've talked about it in a year actually in the real world with clients. for Enthusiasts...sure. I think SDR60 looks better with all it's light output there on all the models.
Nope! Bang for buck ill take that new xgimi horizon ultra over any of these.
We are good not even talking about or considering some off brand stuff. But if it works for you have at it. I talk about real products.
I still don’t understand why Epson doesn’t do native 4k at this point.
I do. Their engineers told me. They have the chip. They do blind tests all the time with the other two..and more. they win...due to brightness. When they use the 4K chip...they can't get half that light through. I think I cover this in the video if you watch it again. brightness wins...that's why the 3000 lumen sony which is pretty much as bright as the epson is $25K.
Lol he literally explained why in the most simple way that we consumers can understand lol
It's all good. My frustration is when people ask questions I covered in videos..I mean.it's youtube not a forum. the videos is the point...watch the videos. Watch them 5 times if needed.
I understand the reason given in the video perfectly but feel a lot of customers would prefer a native 4k offering from them at this point in the game. @@thewatchmensknowledge4914
Great honest discussion…so many really good projectors in the market.
You are a dealer, and financially, Sony pays more to you. JVC delivers the best overall picture. I certainly understand your point of view, but please let people know that it is better for you to sell Sony. You never mentioned that their chips contrast lessens over time. Sony has refused to address it. Not to mention their bad service and ignoring their customers.
Financially.....I make the same on both. Sony Panel degradation according to the rep....only happened on the old 5000 model that was 5000 lm...when used at 100% brightness. They say they haven't gotten a single complaint on the new ones. Neither have I. I like them both though. Sony does have garbage service. I am not against jVC...just don't have the same love affair with them all my commenters do. lol.
Excellent review.
I'm really surprised how everyone ignored the comment of the 6000lm epson.
You're all going on about tone mapping and contrast levels.
You need to first get the very best black diamond or ALR screen you can afford even if it cost ten grand.
Your black levels are only as good as screens black level which is white if your using a white screen.
Test it yourself and you'll see for yourself. There are videos that illustrate this well.
Next is using a super high lumen projector to create the contrast.
2K, 4K etc is only for distance only. If your sitting 25' away from the screen a HD project is exactly the same resolution as a 4K
The human eye can't see the difference unless you have 20/05 vision.
First get the math down and than worried about the projector. And stop listening to sales people.
Some people get it....some people don't lol. using a super high lumen to create contrast is correct. These people are nuts lol. I don't really care. WE are right.
Hello David is there any projector that you would recommend that can do 120" 16x9 screen from a 10 foot throw or should I just go with a UST projector ? I would like to keep it under 5K...
You have to go ST for sure. Lens distance for almost all home projectors to a 120" is 11'8" at very min. This is when I sell ST and it's a great solution. Your issue will be getting a good ST screen for that money but there are some options. Can always go white for now if you can truly get the room very dark.
Thanks for your response I do have a fully light controlled room so do I need a UST screen or am I better of with a standard screen ?
@@GR-jq2qp Watch my ALR screen video and you'll understand more. Don't Need...but will look better even in a dark room. But watch the video if you haven't.
Saw the video that's quite an eye opening experience and a great explanation with video to back it up thanks for putting this out. I plan on getting an UST projector what US screen would you recommend ?
@@GR-jq2qp SI and Stewart make the very best ST materials. I've used SI many times..but it's pricey. EPV makes a good one. Frame isn't as good. White is an option to save money..but no ALR properties. Thanks for the comment on the video. We really do care and are trying to help.