@@metaldreams3595 He got a projector, not a tv, and he sold his mother leaving a fake review. You gotta be really mentally challenged to consider any projector better than any tv...
@@rafars2246 Bro I think he was talking about for the theater room when he said he's never going back to regular tv. And with modern tech thats quite believable. Whereas your opinion, is not. Sorry Chum, better luck next time.
It only supports a max of 60hz, this is definitely not for gamers. We have very affordable OLED TV's currently capable of 120hz and 0.1 millisecond response time. LG C3.
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Feels like a marketing/pro production- from not missing a beat reading the script to multiple, perfect camera cuts with a beautiful, uninterrupted no-need-to-edit narration that mentions no drawbacks other than price as disclosure & obviously filmed “at home”.
As cool as this looks, I think the large LG OLED is the way for me. Projectors are always effected by ambient light and the substrate its on. But this one is definitely a huge step up in quality compared to others!
And the tech will just NEVER make HIGH QUALITY HDR possible... You can improve the contrast as much as you want, but I don't think there's really ANY way to make a projector that can do 'local dimming' similar to an OLED where the brightness if each individual pixel can be controlled from OFF up to PEAK brightness? I've been a projector convert for over a decade ($500 for 100"+ screen just seemed like a no brainer), but with new HDR/4K it seems I'll have to make some sort of compromises/concessions.... :(
@@StreetPreacherr Yes there is the 20,000 hr bulb life which I liked to have had. Where I worked after 3 months the "change bulb" sign came on weather it needed it or not. Then would have to go into the settings every morning to by pass it. At $250 a pop it became a real costly nuisance for us too. Also voided the warrantee if damage was caused by not maintaining it properly. Things are looking better with the laser unit at least. Life would have been a little easier.
While I don't see myself spending that kind of money to watch stuff at home, this is useful information. For the foreseeable future, I don't think I'll need anything larger than 55, 60 inches, and there are plenty of options in that size, but if the prices keep going down and quality going up, this kind of setup might be an option in a few years.
Plus you can use those genuine TV's as computer monitors and for video games as well. And the cost is such that after five years , if it breaks you just ditch it for a new one. But wonderfully , they are not building them to break yet.
This could upset the Movie making industry too. Right now Disney shoots actors against what is basically massive LCD screens to pose as sets. It's how they replicated Tatooine in the Rise of Skywalker. With this tech you could replicate that kind of movie studio for much less.
@@thedarksequel6252 I mean yeah they could use these if they're available and are cheaper. But right now they already have the big LCD's, so they would be still using it.
No, no no. Not ambient light cancelling. This was very misleading. It ABSOLUTELY has a viewing angle. It reflects light from above, back up (generally) and reflects light from below toward the viewer within limits. If your ambient light is low windows (like mine), or ceiling light reflected off white carpet, shiny floors, a lamp lower than the screen etc, then NO is is NOT CANCELLED, it is reflected back towards the viewer washing out the screen. He showed a specific use case to highlight the system IN A GOOD LIGHT. Very dishonest salesmanship, and in his own words: "why wouldn't he?" It got him a free system. You would have to have only ceiling level lights, dark floors and no windows to take advantage of this grainy, horizontal lined screen. This channel is shameful in it's greed at the expense of full disclosure of the systems flaws.
Almost. Standing in front of a projector blocks the image for everyone in the room. Standing in front of a TV only blocks the image for the people in front of you. Someone sitting off to the side could still see just fine.
Instead of a moving image, throw a linearity pattern up so we can see linearity and focus. My concern with many ultra-short throw PJs is they can’t hold uniform linearity and focus across the screen.
I have an ultra short throw projector at home with 106 inch screen and I love it. I'm with you sir I can never go back to a traditional TV setup. I chose to go that route for a few reasons because when my wife and I moved into our new place, there was so much real-estate on the wall that even if I went with an 85" it just wouldn't have filled up any space and it would've been costly to get an entertainment center or other place fillers. Secondly, after moving I told myself that we would never do TV's again other than the ones we already have because when we move, the convenience of not having to worry about making sure your TV's are safe during the move and taking down wall mounts is what sold me on my decision once I put everything into perspective, and when it's time to go just take the screen off the wall break it down box it up and you are good to go. My setup was a little less than $1500.
I'm very interested once this becomes a bit more mainstream/affordable. As it stands, this costs roughly twice as much as my current projector setup. The advantages are tempting but not quite worth the investment for someone like me. Hopefully it will be by the time I'm ready to replace my Epson.
@@82pythons85 He's just talking about tech. Whether it's affordable or not is on an individual basis. For me, this is about twice as much as I'd be willing to invest into.
Another good idea to improve the image on your projector would be to paint the room in dark grey / black, as the projector gives off a whole lot of light which bounces through a bright (white) room back on the screen where it gets absorbed in a room that’s painted black…
Use dark gray or dark blue walls, black, dark gray or dark blue carpeting, and definitely a cinema black painted screen. Not white, silver, or light gray.
The other great thing about these is how little power they use, particularly compared to larger screens. Anyone who is off-grid appreciates the value of saving power, and anyone who's ON the grid knows the cost adds up. For a huge screen, several KWh per day all year long adds up.
In my apartment, the 55" television that I paid a few hundred dollars for is like having a home theater. And at that price point, it will be easy replace when the time comes. But for people who have some money to spend, this does look like a pretty nice setup. You make a compelling case for the projectors close to the screen and certainly have taught me a few things about projection television in general. The quality of the screen, for instance, makes a huge difference. Something I was previously unaware of. And I kind of do like that LED lighting effect around your screen. It's a nice touch. So is that frame around it. I agree with you that it's a better aesthetic.
@@Tony-bg6ql It is if it's ridiculously oversized for your small apartment. Which was the clearly stated point. Context matters. How long ago it was a common size doesn't.
The size of tbe room matters... As does the distance you are from the screen... 55 inch in a large living room with a sofa set and coffee table... The 55inch is going to look somewhat underwhelming. But... It depends on what you want in life. I'm running a 42inch, TV doesn't dominate our family life and we like it that way. Living room for family interactions. That said... That ALR screen with a laser ultra short throw and sound surround would be totally cool for a home theater room for movie nights
One whole wall of my bedroom is a projection screen. Basically the windows are covered with four layers of light blocking material and the screen covers that. Speakers fit in the window pockets so I get sound through the screen, like a theater. It works well but I prefer the 4K 55" TV in the same room. It's just more comfortable, I can leave the lights on, etc.
This is super cool but I bought a 75inch a year ago for about $900 that I have in my bedroom that takes up most of a wall. I paired that with a soundbar that only cost around $75 and I have a home movie theater in my bedroom. Sure I'd like this setup but I have something only slightly smaller for 1/5th the price so I'll wait till the prices drop.
@@Iampatrix I just checked, and 75 inch televisions are on sale for about $600. Regular price about what you paid. What you have is a little expensive, but I'm saying that making comments on a $2,500 gaming machine. So, it's a question of priorities. When I bought my television, I had a 32 inch television in good condition. So, I wasn't planning on buying anything else until I found out that a 55 inch was only $300. At that point, the decision was completely a no brainer. But anything under $1,000 is still in pretty reasonable price range. Something I could potentially justify in the future. But that would be pushing the limits of my budget. Paying several times that isn't something I could ever justify.
@@michaelangelo5783 in most rooms 150 inches make zero sense. It litterally has to be an 8 meter long dedicated room, or you wont be able to see it all 😂
Right now the sweet spot is 65" Oled. I have two and look great lights on or off. No fussing around with projectors sticking 3 feet in front etc. Laser might be ok for 150" but still don't think they look as good as Oled just better than old 1990s projection.
@@Physics072 I agree with the 65", but there's a lot of QLED's now that look as good, and even better in some ways than OLED's. Hisense U8H for example, is a mind blowing TV for the price.
I already dislike the lack of true blacks in LCD panels. I can't deal with projectors. The perceived sharpness goes out the window with such low contrast ratios.
This is the first thing I wondered about. I'm waiting for cheaper large OLED displays, and this doesn't seem to be a real alternative, unless you value size over image quality or contrast. In that situation, you might as well sit a little closer and save $4000.
Good video! Just a warning on ultra-short-throw projectors: DO NOT BUY ONE, UNLESS YOU ARE VERY CERTAIN ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE. This video does a good job of describing this no-name projectors. However, most short-throw projectors are really terrible. They are taking a natively-rectangular image and outputting a hyper-trapezoidal image. Then, they use a combination of optics and internal electronic adjustment to correct the geometry. The problem is that in 95% of the cases, this will 1) reduce the actual pixel count that hits the screen, 2) mess up the bottom and corner focus, 3) create bad corner geometry, and 4) produce soft, fuzzy images due to the electronic geometric correction needed to force a rectangular image into a trapezoidal projection beam. Brand names are no protection against this. Most short-throw projectors are made for educational use and the quality standard is far below that of high-end home theatres.
Hello mate, I hear what you say, question mate, Im thinking of buying a Dell S718QL Advanced Laser Projector 4K UHD 5000 ANSI Lumens it says on the advert. is this model any good and up to the claimed specs generally. hoping you know or can advise.
@@colinwinterman Greetings, my Aussie-sounding friend! :) I don't know this projector, specifically. While Dell isn't the first name in video projection, the units I've seen are put together well. I can't give you a buy/don't buy recommendation. But, I will reiterate this warning about ALL short-throw projectors: You can't really know how well it will perform until you see it on your actual screen. The kooky optics and electronic geometric correction give these types of projectors very little margin for error, in terms of focus and sharpness. The type of surface you are projecting onto and the amount of ambient room light are also critical. If I were to give you any advice, it would be to buy something you can return. Good luck...mate!
I'm on my 3rd short throw. Using a black back screen makes a MASSIVE difference. All of my projectors however have only lasted 1 year before the chip burnt a "white pixel" into them. One was fixed by hand and has not had an issue in the 12.months since. So they are so much fun, however look for long warranty, or don't bother unless you are prepared for the expensive initial setup.
I just got a small laser projector and I'm curious. What do you mean by a black back screen? The wall behind the projector screen is black? Or the screen itself is black?
Very nice ! Seems ideal for the avid home theater . Thanks for the detailed dive . Really appreciate the comparison over the lamp centered projectors that must sit 14 feet or more from the screen .
For a theater room where you can control the light then yeah, projection is very good. In most situations you can’t beat a OLED TV. Also, running colored lights around your screen is a huge pet peeve of mine. This washes your screen’s color temp and white balance, affects the contrast you can see and it’s a huge distraction. And it’s just plain tacky.
Harsh lights, correct. In a dark room a nice consistent and adjustable rear glow from the back of the screen helps to differentiate edge-of-the-screen-dark with room-dark. It’s also easier generally on the eyes scene to scene.
@@rossimarti but the whole point of a dark room with very good contrast and black levels is to completely draw you into the movie. Adding those lights takes away from the immersive experience.
People have different ideas about immersion. 3D? Dolby Atmos audio? Rumble seating? I am referring to “bias lighting” that can even synchronize with the screen’s color composition to create greater immersion. Elite Home Theater: “One of the biggest design mistakes in home cinemas is assuming that as long as the room is dark, it will work.”
By the way, welcome to home theater, where everyone has an opinion. We exchange ideas, features, effects, upgrades, considerations, experiences, on and on. And that’s why it’s home theater, not “one size fits all” theater.
@@rossimarti try to run a screen calibration with those lights on and report back. As far as your last comment, yeah, most setups don’t do all that great in a completely dark room. That’s where OLED shines. That’s why the black diamond screens are popular. It’s hard to get a great picture in a completely dark room. Adding bright colored lights will bleed into the picture. Audio is separate from picture and so are the rumble seats, not a good comparison. And 3D could have made huge strides but the populous didn’t demand it in home cinema. And to that point, for 3D it’s even more critical to have good contrast and no lighting around. Those LED strips can induce flickering in active glasses and can also bleed in and cause reflections in the passive ones.
Nothing beats LG's O-LED. Not even Samsung qLED. O-LED is the best technology for screen details and sharpness. I'm actually shocked that Samsung doesn't have an O-LED TV out yet.. At least not that I know of.
I just learned about these projectors today when I accidentally stumbled upon them on Amazon. I already have a high-end 75" TV that I'll be holding on to for a few more years, but I could see one of these in my future after I retire (5-8 years). There's already another ultra short throw triple laser projector called the AWOL VISION LTV-3500 that may have an edge on the unit above. They seem very similar, but the AWOL has 3500 lumen brightness compared to this units 2800. I think that would make a pretty big difference between the two when it comes to brightness of the picture in a well lit room condition. The AWOL also comes with a heftier price tag too though, so there's that. The technology is fascinating though, I'm looking forward to seeing how much it advances by the time I may be looking for one.
Like you mentioned. The AWOL is $5500.00 before taxes without the screen. That would make the whole set up extremely expensive with maybe not too many additional benefits!
If you'd paint your walls and ceiling dark colors like dark gray with a black ceiling most of your contrast and lighting issues will go away. You don't even have to paint the whole room, just the 8 feet or so on the projector wall. You can use lamps if you must have lights on but adding a black curtain to separate your viewing room from your other room would make a massive difference. Remember, cutting weight is usually much easier and cheaper than adding horsepower. No need to blast brighter and stronger light on white wall. Just darken the area.
@@toanvu9003 What are you even talking about? Black is black because the paint is absorbing light, hence no light is reflected and you perceive that material is the "color" black. Black is literally the absence of light, so their is no such thing as an "ambient light rejecting" paint.
I have a 98 dollar RCA projector and a 110 inch view on a painted wall using left over white paint from my bathroom and green mask tape that i painted black and paint SONY on the bottom and it all works perfect people who come over think i have a actual screen ... Light is not a issue for you usually watch movies in a dark room to begin with...So for you being a DIY guy who should help to save money you have unsold me on the Laser projector now that i know you have to buy a special screen for it ..The whole idea of my projector is so i no longer have a cumbersome piece of equipment to movie around or fasten to a wall. I have had it for 6yrs now and no issues ... But with that said it is a nice piece of kit if you have the money for it or had it given to you for FREE but still would not want it because i have to buy a special screen for it unless you failed to say you do not need the special screen OOOOPS on you
Wouldn't the Ambient Light Rejection screen look much better if you had a black (or at least very dark) carpet and table under your laser projector, so that when the lights were on it would still reflect this dark background underneath it for the darks in the image? I would think that would greatly improve the image when the lights were on.
His whole room seems very bright in color, for a dedicated cinema setup. You are right about the table, but a lot is to be gained from darkening up the ceilings and walls as well, in case of projection. This setup does resemble a living room situation better however, maybe that's what the reasoning is. Anyway, cool tech. I will keep on projecting however, in my living room even. Nothing resembles the cinema experience more than that, despite its shortcomings and nuisances.
Well when light is reflected after it hits the screen it's pretty much not going to improve anything at all. But it might make you think it's better... And since your perception really is a part of the enjoyment of the system then maybe yes.
Our School has been progressively replacing their traditional projectors over the last eight years as they played up. Great Technology. I had the pleasure of using my work projectors for home theatre from back in the nineties … we even did outdoor movies on a seven metre screen with great success …
Thanks for video and the honesty on how you acquired the products in the video. It was helpfull information. All people watching product reviews (really demos, not reviews) need take into account the how YT channels get the products they show case. I can't fault anyone for wanting free products especially high ticket items that they could not otherwise afford, but what often is missing in the videos are the real "cons" of the products. The YT channels don't want to be cut off from the free product stream sent to them by fully disclosing the important negatives. It is best to perceive the videos as polished product demos, not reviews, much like going a trade show or watching an infomercial.
Yes, as cool as it is, the price is going to push off 99% of tv buyers. This is ultra luxury reserved for the wealthy. Most people are barely willing to spend $1000 for their tv, let alone 5 times that. But at least it makes a nice cooperation gift for tech youtubers 🤔
99%? That's not true. Not everyone is poor or has 5+ children, and home entertainment is a high priority for many people and households. I would think that 99% figure should be more like 70 or 75%. I personally know many people who have spent 2.5k plus on multiple tvs in their house, and none of them are wealthy.
@@sf5553 you don't understand how those numbers work. 70% of a suburban residents with mid class income maybe, but 99% of the entire USA population of age 18 and above. Many of us live in a bubble, and as you say "know people" mostly from that bubble. If you know many people who would be willing to spend $5000 on a tv setup, I rest my case 🤝🏼
@@OrcCorp If you're saying 9.9 out of 10 people over 18 in the USA cannot spend 5k on their household entertainment theater or TV setup, that isn't true. Can't and won't are different. There are TONS of people who have no desire for it or other priorities, but 9.9 out of 10 CANNOT, is not true. 63% of the USA is not married, and the median household income is 71k.
Definitely too expensive for my needs but I do love these short throw setups. Maybe if I ever have a dedicated theater/streaming room again or if the tech disseminates out until the price comes down to something on par with a 70" TV. Until then I'll just stick to my cheap and portable Nebula DLP projector. I do love it though.
The Diamondback screen is used on projection and works great. Whether it's laser light or light from a light bulb it's still light it still needs to hit the screen from the bottom and ambient killed from the top.
@@kriswingert1662 the inversion of that pattern would assume an ambient light source from the floor in that scenario. An UST would be projecting from the ceiling as well as the ambient lights
So glad to see you have jumped onto the UST bandwagon as well! Although we have pre-wired our basement (including conduits etc.) for ceiling mount projectors, we have also been looking at UST for last couple years. A few friends locally even asked me to helped design their home theater setup and we ended up going with USTs for all of them. Unfortunately, I am super sensitive to rainbow effect and ended up returning the same single laser UST projector that we all bought for my own home theater (and yes, I have confirmed unfortunately I am susceptible to it even with the triple laser USTs that have come to market in the last 6-9 months including Formovie). Having said that - on the flip side - as an Epson 3LCD ceiling mount projector owner (like you), I look forward to their current gen UST (LS800?) and since most other 3 laser projectors are ruled out, it should hopefully narrow the list quite a bit and make the decision easy (once we find / do a demo at one of the local best buy Magnolia or similar specialty store that might have one for demo). Also, to reiterate - I AM glad to see you have jumped onto the UST bandwagon.😉 As I am looking forward to innovative / "handy" solutions you might come up with for "re-wiring" between the UST to the home theater rack. Ideally, UST wiring *should* be relatively straightforward compared to ceiling mounted projectors, but I always like to look at multiple ways folks in the home theater community tackle the problem and try to pick one based on my own skillset, cost and so on. Great video as always!
I used a DLP projector for a few years and found the most annoying part was the fan noise and heat in the room. The projector being right by your head made it far worse.
That price point is actually not bad at all. I'm sure people have spent vastly more for similar setups in the past. That being said, I hope you will appreciate how lucky you are to get that for free every time you sit down to watch it.
Formovie is part of Xiaomi Technology. Chinese products have revolutionized the world beating Samsung and other major companies. And being made in China the price is very affordable. Its amazing how advance China tech has become thats why US is jealous of China. Even with US sanctions China can exceed everyone in tech and sell it at a reasonable price.
2:50 The cost per square inch (or cm) would be more useful than the diagonal length. It’s the area that determines much of the cost and also the benefit.
Assuming all screens are in 16:9 it really doesn't matter, because the area will scale linearly with an increase in diagonal, therefore the ratios would stay exactly the same.
I was gonna say, diagonal "rise over run" is a consistent, but nonstandard comparison for pixel density. It just requires a little geometrical math, merely conversions, and there’s no data lost in translation.
I have the AWOL Vision LTV-3500 and a 120inch ALR screen and it's an amazing set up. It actually came first in another comparison video and beat the Formovie. It supports 3D and has input lag on 30ms at 4K and 15ms at 1080p. I too will never go back to traditional televisions. The immersion on this 120inch screen is just too incredible.
@@tcine Absolutely incredible. I've seen 3D Avatar 21 times in the cinema and the 3D on the AWOL LTV-3500 with a 120inch ALR screen feels even more epic than in the cinema. There's something special about having that kind of depth and perception of space and distance in your own home when watching 3D movies. I literally contacted AWOL Vision earlier this year and convinced them to add 3D support to their two projectors. Two weeks later, they announced a 3D update was coming and they told me I was a big reason why they decided to add 3D. I then pre-ordered the LTV-3500 because I simply won't buy a projector unless it supports 3D. Now it does and I couldn't be happier.
@@michalsavatar7 You, sir, are a legend! I have 2 3d tvs (Sharp Aquos 70" LCD/Vizio Cinemawide 58") and I love the 3D effect. Wanted to upgrade my screen and AWOL is the only UST that supports 3D. You have helped make up my mind on which UST to purchase! Thank you!.
Curious. As a speaker designer/builder, I find that when doing a dedicated room like this, I always recommend (and most agree) to impliment a matching center channel speaker in-wall or out, At the very least a center utilizing an M/T-M/M same or smaller version of the L/R mains (same or smaller drivers). Where are you going to fit an external 1.5 to 3 cubic foot center channel speaker? Under the projector, that is too close to the ground. May sound silly, but considering how important the center channel is in any home theater system, not liking my options here. Angled In-wall, above and below maybe? Hmmm. Increasing the height could be problematic too but maybe the best option to consider. not a fan of using a sounbar or an entirely different speaker for the center channel, just not an option.
If you look at his room on the shot showing his previous projector from the side indicating the 14 feet of throw distance required you will see what I think is his centre channel speaker mounted above on a ceiling crop out, so he may already have it in position. One issue with that placement is the tweeters are no where near aligned anywhere close the main left and right tweeters and cause possible audio problems.
My center channel speaker is mounted to the soffit, which hangs down about a foot from the ceiling. Ideally I’d have an acoustically transparent screen with the center channel behind it but until then having my center channel where it is has worked well enough for years.
Cool video but I'll stick with my standard projector. Too much money for small gains. In a few more years when they come down in price then maybe I'll try the laser. Good video
Great video. I keep going back and forth on a TV vs UST. I'm replacing an old 98" Mitsubishi, so even an 85" TV is still losing 13" of screen. My concerns are that UST 4k is not "real" 4k, and most of what I've read say that they CAN'T do HDR because they can't get bright enough and HDR has minimum NITS requirements. I haven't found side by side comparisons with a TV, and I'd question the Dolby Vision support. It would be great to see you go into the HDR/DV support/comparisons. I also never understood how/why something like this has Dolby Atmos. If you have a 100+" screen you have a decent size room, and it just isn't possible to get GOOD sound to fill that space from built in speakers. I'd love to see how you set it up with your speaker system, and how you'd recommend doing an Atmos sound bar setup. As several people pointed out, placing the soundbar is tricky for a UST. Under it isn't ideal since not only is it too low, but there is risk of the projector being vibrated, and you can't put it above for obvious reasons, and I don't think I've seen an acoustic transparent ALR screen.
I'm very happy with my 65" Vizio TV, the only problem I had one night was a old TV show I used to watch when I was a kid with the uhd 4K I could see the stings on a space ship sorta messed with that , oh and I got this around 3yrs ago and it's been really great my smartphone hooked up on it with no problem and I even played games on it without any problems.
I recently had the 120” vivid storm motorized screen and the Vava 4K and sent it back. Oddly enough I traded them in for the same Epson mentioned in this video. My screen is a power Stewart masking unit so it needs pretty dark rooms or it washes out easily. I set up some warm Edison lamps in the room to illuminate the room and it’s perfect. It’s not read a book bright but you can discern between Tortilla and kale chips just fine. I have a Sony Oled 77” for the daytime and literally the second the sun starts to set I switch to the Epson projector and love it. It feels like a movie theater and the natural colors of the Epson are more relaxing on the eye than the OLED and much better than the VaVa. I do hear the new Vava is supposed to be better but the is was lame. The Sony is nice but I find a bit too contrasted and limited on settings. I don’t usually write about Things like this but I’d like to know if anyone has the same opinion?
@@mattmatti3525 compared to a 30k dollar tv of the same size (120 inch), this 4-5k range of projectors can get away with a somewhat softer image and worse brightness in an ambiently lit room. We're talking like 15% of the price for like 60% image quality. That's a very good trade off, which is why many people with dedicated home theater rooms are choosing it
@@derekfurst6233 i would say the market clearly reflects that nobody is looking for a 125 inch tv.. That would make the cheap 70 inch panels more popular than more expensive 55 inch ones.
My $798.00 Walmart Exclusive SANYO 65" LED TV is still going strong after 8 yrs and the 1080p picture looks absolutely beautiful! I have disabilities so I'm home all day and my TV has been on everyday from early morning till late at night for 8 yrs. I'm still very satisfied!
@@mcgilliman I have a DLP projector for my home theater. It throws a 12ft image and looks great. I don't feel pressured to upgrade just cuz this guy (who got his unit for free in exchange for a favorable review) says this is better and I should run out and buy one.
@Lungho not only that but we keep electronics out of the landfill. There is this consumer mindset to buy the latest thing every year and it's not good for the planet
Yep. Sadly, that is the mindset of most consumers. People have to get the latest and the greatest, even if whatever figure of merit is only marginally greater. Most people are hugely affected by their friends'/relatives'/neighbors' latest purchases, and will strive to equal or surpass those. Its a game where the manufacturers win.
I always prefer size over quality when it comes to media consumption so this is my dream setup except the money for that is also only my dream 😆 I was even fine using a portable projector on a 100" screen a few years ago. Although to be fair, after getting a 4K Mini LED TV, my standards for projectors might be a lot higher 😄
Yep. The newer Mini LED 120Hz 4K monitors are some serious kit. Currently I'm running my computer off three 27" 4K monitors. But, when I replace them, I'll be looking at something like the Mini LED TV. They're so good right now that they're a perfect replacement for a computer rig. And the pricing is more than reasonable. But give it a couple years to hit ubiquity, and the prices will plummet.
4th projector issue: they're loud. If you have it hanging on the ceiling, it'll be noticeable, no matter how quiet people say it is, and it detracts from the viewing experience. I had a 91" equivalent screen with projector, but I stepped back to 75" LCD just because I couldn't stand the noise. I'd be curious to know just how much I'd hear one of these. I know they're quieter than what I had hanging on my ceiling, but if you're enjoying a movie at night and you don't want to disturb your family, it's a problem if you need to crank the movie volume to overcome the fan noise. TV panels are still 0db silent.
My benq 4k projector is not loud. I could barely hear the fan unless I put it mute try to listen to it. It’s doesn’t matter me at all even when I put the volume extremely low.
Well, I have the Nebula Capsule 3. Obviously not a 4K ultimate home theatre kind of projector. But still a laser projector with good quality for its size and price, and the fan noise is hardly even noticeable unless you got it right next to your ear. You can definitely find quiet laser projectors, LED projectors will always inevitably be louder because LED's get more hot more quickly. Also, if you're playing something at night, you always have the option of using bluetooth headphones on every OS I can think of. An AppleTV will even let you connect two sets of AirPods if you want to listen with a partner. So the fan noise argument isn't really valid tbh
Each time I've had projectors, they were in rooms with horrible lighting for a projector, so I eventually swapped back to my 75" Samsung. I do prefer a projector to a TV, but with the room I'm in currently the projector just doesn't work well. Once I move again, I'll hopefully be in a place I can use the projector again.
Love how you open up with a flyby of Stirling Castle, nestling atop the rock from which I am one of many sons......you can almost see my house from there. And aside from that..awesome.
I personally think that comparing this laser setup to projector is apples to oranges when it comes to cost. I bought my 4k 3000+ lumens Optoma projector for $1200 and it does pretty well here in Florida on a well lit day right next to my sliding glass patio door. To compare it to a $6500 laser projector setup is disingenuous at best... It's like comparing a Ferrari to a modified civic. Both are equally enjoyable. One just requires more work to make good.
It would be interesting to see a side-by-side of a high-end OLED screen and this in daylight and a darkened room. I'd also like to know is it possible to mount the projector on the ceiling and have it down fire, in what would probably have to be a darkened room but potentially a much better picture than a regular projector or possibly a OLED TV.
@@dexter-wy5bo mounting upside down would take away any of the benefits, so it would probably be better to use a regular screen at that point, save some money. I don't see why it wouldn't work with a regular screen other than that. Except maybe the projector not being able to do the keystone in the other direction, but that would probably only be a firmware thing.
Pleae, do NOT get an UST PJ (guy here calls them "laser TVs." But even if you must -- never get an "ambient light rejection" or ALR screen with them. Please. You have been properly warned.
First of all, many thanks for your introduction and demonstration on this product. However, the projection seems to form a shady pattern across the screen that is sailing through the screen from the bottom screen to the top screen in a constant repetition pattern. Looks like a typical projection lamp error! Wonder if that can be adjust?
I am amazed that you have shown me a TV option that I've never heard of. It won't work for my setup, (no back wall), but it was a great explanation of the pros and cons. I have a 65 inch 4k, but rarely (never?) play native 4k content. Next TV will probably be sub $1k ~85 inch biggest frame I can get.
These projectors are cool, and for some people they will be the best option, but I would personally prefer a ceiling mounted projector rather than having something sitting on the floor in front of the screen. But if you in an apartment, for example, where you can ceiling mount, then this would be a good option.
@@Wirmish People only seem to talk about having these short throw projectors on a coffee table or something in front of the screen, so I wasn't sure that was an option. If you're able to ceiling mount though, you have all kinds of options.
Hey man, just a tip, if you are shooting video of a projector and want people to buy it, make sure to change your camera frame rate so there are no scan lines on the screen (or change the Hz/frame rate of the projector, so it cancels out). Also, shoutout to Elite Screens. I use their "Yard Master 2" with an ultra short throw rear projection, specifically for events and conferences, as its quick and easy to set up (shame they had no skirt trim and I had to make my own).
I looked up the pros and cons of laser tv’s. It’s still like a projection that also has a problem with smears. Also like a projection, you need to have a dark lit area to get the best picture unless your willing to spend extra and still suffer the same issue. The lamp also last for 20,000 hours. And very expensive to replace. In short: it’s not worth it at this time.
Sound like coping from someone who wants but can't afford the setup. It is DLP and has all the drawbacks of high end DLP, which are few. There is no perfect TV technology. Everything is a compromise. This is engineering, not utopia. I had one of these UST DLP projectors and the picture quality was fantastic. The picture quality on ANY TV is better in a dark room, especially OLED which has brightness issues. Again everything is a compromise. At least you don't have to deal with specular reflections. The ALR screen certainly makes it a decent picture in a brighter room. The "lamp" is not a lamp and doesn't "last" 20,000 hours. The mean time to half brightness is 20,000 hours. It will continue working after that. And the cost is negligible. Even if you spend another $3k to replace the whole projector in 10 years it's not that big a deal. I've certainly had TVs that didn't last that long.
Unlike a projector, with a lens system, lasers project s tiny dot, that stays the same size (almost) over the distance from top to bottom, so that there's no blurring.
The top corners are the two that are hardest to get sharp with a test pattern. The little bit of blur from it isn't noticeable when watching something.
This is amazing. I would love to know what the input lag is like on this as it could be great for gaming. Also I hope to see curved screens with laser projectors for total immersion in things like racing games. Imagine having 180 degrees FOV with a giant screen around my sim racing rig. Maybe just at pipe dream as the laser projector would pretty much need to go in the middle where the rig would be placed.
You can already get decent immersivity by sitting less than 2m from a large 4K Tv. It gives you about 120° fov. I haven't gone back to 'normal' viewing distances since trying it for gaming. Works really well with a 65" OLED.
@@cnocbui Unfortunately that’s not enough for sim racing. You can’t see the cars beside you and you lose a lot of the sense of speed. Also for the most part you can’t see your mirrors if your fov is set correctly. Three screens or a very wide supercurved screen is much better.
I wish 3D gaming would make a comeback. 3D films and games on a big old screen (if you sit close at the right range) are somewhat like the VR experience without the headset and which can be shared with others wearing the 3D glasses. I'd get this PJ if they added 3D support. But a good number of PJs still have it.
I'd love one of these, but I'd want my own screen. I have a very light controlled room so the light filtering stuff doesn't apply that much. It'd be a nice feature, but I wouldn't get much use out of it. The laser projectors are nice, though. I'd love to get one when I do upgrade.
Trouble is, most commercial screens are designed to take light shot straight at them by a projector and bounce it back straight out at the audience. Their off-axis brightness ranges from OK to very dim, though this is mostly an issue for side viewing angles for normal projectors. For a projector like this one that is designed to project the light up from a low position, an average screen would bounce most of the light up at the ceiling.
There are some matte projector screen materials made in mind for short throw laser projectors where you can find and buy the raw material to try and set up yourself. It's a niche market, but it's out there. In-fact it's so niche, I imagine you could probably negotiate a 1-off from some local company instead of DIYing the whole of it.
@LRN2DIY - That screen with its sawtooth design is fascinating! An observation though: what about the lamp on the table next to the seat in your demo? How would it affect the picture? I suspect maybe it would bounce the light downward toward the projector, but would overall probably not affect the image too much. This combination of screen and short throw projector almost looks like it might work in my church except for one thing. If the projector is ceiling mounted near the screen hanging down also from the ceiling, I feel like that sawtooth pattern might not only reject ambient light but also the laser light. Even if the screen was flipped upside down, it probably wouldn't be very effective because then both laser and ceiling lights would show on the screen. Plus you have the congregation that would be sitting lower to the screen than in a standard theater. Any thoughts?
The screen type reminds me of the old school rear projection tv screen panels. The problem with those was that you needed to be seated directly in front, otherwise the light and clarity became washed for anyone viewing from wider angles. Is there any issue with view angle with this type of setup? Are they planning to adapt to a curved screen?
The one thing I’m trying to figure out is where to put my very large Martin Logan center ch without having to resort to placing it on the floor. The one thing I thought of was having a custom cabinet that was deep enough to place the center in front of the UST as I’d never use the UST’s built in speakers but not sure aesthetically how it would look.
False wall with acoustically transparent screen. Speaker goes behind the screen. Obviously that requires some construction and extra space behind the screen.
Very cool! Thanks for the video. I hope to see some more reviews of the Formovie. I couldn't seem to find it on any lists other than the projectorscreen one. Also, not sure if you can do this with the Formovie, but hisense projectors can be paired side by side for an ultra wide cinema experience.
Bigger isn't always better if you want a big screen for gaming I'd suggest a quality 65 inch or 75 max. It depends on the distance you're sitting same goes for pc monitors. I have a beamer but mostly use it to project it to the ceiling when I lay in bed.
Large screen setups exist to have a true "theater at home" experience if you are building an actual home theater. For a gaming setup it will never make sense.
I expect my TVs to last at least 10 years if not more, so I’ll still go for the normal set up with 8k. But I’m going to get my own home next year so maybe if this laser tech can get up to 8k or at the very least 5k, I’d consider it. Still, it’s nice to know that there are screens that can actually make short throw a viable option
I set up our theater as a ceiling mount as well. The short throw PJs are sweet but they seem really in the way of the room. Thanks for sharing the price. I'm guessing the screens can't be acustic transparent?
@@azurthedragon A normal short throw pj sure, but this is paired with a special screen that blocks light from above. Mounting this to the ceiling would require flipping the screen as well. Defeats the purpose.
So, I'm guessing mounting the projector on the ceiling another foot back would give you a larger image (require a larger screen), but wouldn't do a good job with the ambient light? How does it do with lamps that are at eye level in the room vs overhead lights?
well no because that projector was specifically designed to sit under the picture, and the projection screen he was using was specifically designed to be projected onto from below.
@@KonradZielinski Didn't realize that was how it worked. We used to have some close profile projectors at my office and they would work either from the top or bottom of the "screen" that was actually painted on the wall. It was special paint, but nothing like this I guess.
Been thinking about getting this setup for my tradeshow booths. Currently I pack this huge 20ft by 10ft LED wall and would like to replace it with something more up to date. Normal projectors are out as they dont have a great track record for transporting. How would this work out as a trade show video screen? would it be bright enough I wonder?
I understand that Laser Light is not good for your eyes. Is it any different in this situation? If the system is basically bouncing Laser Light off the screen and into your eyes, and you are exposed to it for hours each day, I would like to know what safety testing requirements or standards these machines have met? Is there any mention of this in the owners manual?
I would assume the laserlight is bouncing off diffused from the screen, it is not laser focused anymore. Hence, I don't believe there would be a problem. Just would not want to look into the laser source, which is probably why Nils avoided to have it point at the camera sensor.
If I got it for free I wouldn't go back either
😂😂😂 right
But he gave the review AFTER he got the TV. Not sure why someone would give away their soul after receipt of said goodie.
@@metaldreams3595 He got a projector, not a tv, and he sold his mother leaving a fake review. You gotta be really mentally challenged to consider any projector better than any tv...
@@rafars2246 Bro I think he was talking about for the theater room when he said he's never going back to regular tv.
And with modern tech thats quite believable.
Whereas your opinion, is not. Sorry Chum, better luck next time.
@@metaldreams3595 who cares where, the point is, the most expensive projector in the planet can't compare with a $500 Walmart tv.
I'll save you all 8+ minutes: It's around $5500.
Samsung Láser proyector is less than 3,000
Thanks! Couldn’t 😊wait any longer to get to that key info!
@@flecha4116 the projector itself is 2800$ the screen cost kinda alot but seems very worth it.
Not all heroes wear capes
Thank you
Ever since we got this product for free, we are never going back to something we need to pay for! What an amazing, quality, objective review!
It only supports a max of 60hz, this is definitely not for gamers. We have very affordable OLED TV's currently capable of 120hz and 0.1 millisecond response time. LG C3.
Lazer screens looks like absolute TRASH.
Don't forget he sold his old projector so he actually made money😂😂😂 What a Clown
@@sp6450 Umm an LG OLED C3 only goes up to 83". You are comparing apples and oranges.
C series are the best tvs on the market right now though. Profesional Colorists use this for reference monitors sometimes, they are amazing
I followed Neil and learned from him on how to finish my basement. I’m glad to see your channel grew and growing big since. The level of professional and information provided in his contents is for sure one of the best !
Feels like a marketing/pro production- from not missing a beat reading the script to multiple, perfect camera cuts with a beautiful, uninterrupted no-need-to-edit narration that mentions no drawbacks other than price as disclosure & obviously filmed “at home”.
There are tons of cuts when he is speaking
More of a commercial than review.
Yup. For sure.
This was an infomercial
Get use to it this is how social media works now. Advertising will always run rampant in America one way or another.
Thanks for revealing it was a sponsorship 6 minutes into the video. Really helpful.
Who cares? It was a good review.
@@Zsumms21it wasn’t a review. It was a demonstration.
@@Zsumms21complete advertising
As cool as this looks, I think the large LG OLED is the way for me. Projectors are always effected by ambient light and the substrate its on. But this one is definitely a huge step up in quality compared to others!
Projectors are trash 🚮 OLED IS KING 🤴
And the tech will just NEVER make HIGH QUALITY HDR possible... You can improve the contrast as much as you want, but I don't think there's really ANY way to make a projector that can do 'local dimming' similar to an OLED where the brightness if each individual pixel can be controlled from OFF up to PEAK brightness?
I've been a projector convert for over a decade ($500 for 100"+ screen just seemed like a no brainer), but with new HDR/4K it seems I'll have to make some sort of compromises/concessions.... :(
@@StreetPreacherr Yes there is the 20,000 hr bulb life which I liked to have had. Where I worked after 3 months the "change bulb" sign came on weather it needed it or not. Then would have to go into the settings every morning to by pass it. At $250 a pop it became a real costly nuisance for us too. Also voided the warrantee if damage was caused by not maintaining it properly. Things are looking better with the laser unit at least. Life would have been a little easier.
@@StreetPreacherr Isn't a laserprojector just one dot that draws the picture, similar to OLED it doesn't need local dimming ?
@@BrainHurricanes laser projector is like old tube TV.
Excelente vídeo, parabéns pelo sistema de dublagem. Ficou muito bom em Português (Brasil).
While I don't see myself spending that kind of money to watch stuff at home, this is useful information. For the foreseeable future, I don't think I'll need anything larger than 55, 60 inches, and there are plenty of options in that size, but if the prices keep going down and quality going up, this kind of setup might be an option in a few years.
Plus you can use those genuine TV's as computer monitors and for video games as well. And the cost is such that after five years , if it breaks you just ditch it for a new one. But wonderfully , they are not building them to break yet.
You are not about that life
@@phil4986
yeah I dont even have a monitor just a 65 inch QLED Samsung cost me like 1100, I will get a monitor later but not in a hurry too
@@kingofnara I think a LED TV does great as a monitor. I use an old LED Samsung 60inch that works great for me.
these ppl ar enothing but money hngry ads for corporations for useless chit
Had no idea they had such ambient light cancelling feature. What a clever idea.
This could upset the Movie making industry too. Right now Disney shoots actors against what is basically massive LCD screens to pose as sets. It's how they replicated Tatooine in the Rise of Skywalker. With this tech you could replicate that kind of movie studio for much less.
@@thedarksequel6252 I mean yeah they could use these if they're available and are cheaper. But right now they already have the big LCD's, so they would be still using it.
Fernell Lense. As used in Lighthouses for over 100 years!
This is NOT a Fresnel lens. This screen reflects. A Fresnel lens refracts.
No, no no. Not ambient light cancelling. This was very misleading. It ABSOLUTELY has a viewing angle. It reflects light from above, back up (generally) and reflects light from below toward the viewer within limits. If your ambient light is low windows (like mine), or ceiling light reflected off white carpet, shiny floors, a lamp lower than the screen etc, then NO is is NOT CANCELLED, it is reflected back towards the viewer washing out the screen. He showed a specific use case to highlight the system IN A GOOD LIGHT. Very dishonest salesmanship, and in his own words: "why wouldn't he?" It got him a free system. You would have to have only ceiling level lights, dark floors and no windows to take advantage of this grainy, horizontal lined screen. This channel is shameful in it's greed at the expense of full disclosure of the systems flaws.
Standing in front of a projector screen is the same as standing in front of a tv. In either case, you block the image.
Almost. Standing in front of a projector blocks the image for everyone in the room. Standing in front of a TV only blocks the image for the people in front of you. Someone sitting off to the side could still see just fine.
@adamb89 that all depends on how close one is standing to said TV.
@@adamb89 Standing in front of a TV blocks the image for the people behind you, and if you're taller, in front.
@dacu3140 This isn't rocket surgery, blocking the screen is blocking the screen. It doesn't matter what medium you're using to display it.
Someone doesn't understand what a short throw projector does!😅😅
Instead of a moving image, throw a linearity pattern up so we can see linearity and focus. My concern with many ultra-short throw PJs is they can’t hold uniform linearity and focus across the screen.
Exactly this!
Yes that is an issue if you don't have a good flat wall.
It’s just so hard to take someone’s word for it when they get something for free.
I have an ultra short throw projector at home with 106 inch screen and I love it. I'm with you sir I can never go back to a traditional TV setup. I chose to go that route for a few reasons because when my wife and I moved into our new place, there was so much real-estate on the wall that even if I went with an 85" it just wouldn't have filled up any space and it would've been costly to get an entertainment center or other place fillers. Secondly, after moving I told myself that we would never do TV's again other than the ones we already have because when we move, the convenience of not having to worry about making sure your TV's are safe during the move and taking down wall mounts is what sold me on my decision once I put everything into perspective, and when it's time to go just take the screen off the wall break it down box it up and you are good to go. My setup was a little less than $1500.
Same. I have a Benq ST and get like a 200 inch screen. Id consider 4k down the road, but am more than happy with my 1080p projector.
I'm very interested once this becomes a bit more mainstream/affordable. As it stands, this costs roughly twice as much as my current projector setup. The advantages are tempting but not quite worth the investment for someone like me. Hopefully it will be by the time I'm ready to replace my Epson.
I don’t think he took into account most people can barely afford to eat right now.
@@82pythons85 He's just talking about tech. Whether it's affordable or not is on an individual basis. For me, this is about twice as much as I'd be willing to invest into.
Another good idea to improve the image on your projector would be to paint the room in dark grey / black, as the projector gives off a whole lot of light which bounces through a bright (white) room back on the screen where it gets absorbed in a room that’s painted black…
yeah not sure why he went with white carpet
Use dark gray or dark blue walls, black, dark gray or dark blue carpeting, and definitely a cinema black painted screen. Not white, silver, or light gray.
yeah and i will paint my face green i suppose
Hey what year is this LT-75KC627 it's a jvc
this is true. i experienced this with hue lightings also. with darker background, colors don't flushouts that much and are focused.
The other great thing about these is how little power they use, particularly compared to larger screens. Anyone who is off-grid appreciates the value of saving power, and anyone who's ON the grid knows the cost adds up. For a huge screen, several KWh per day all year long adds up.
Very fascinating!
In my apartment, the 55" television that I paid a few hundred dollars for is like having a home theater. And at that price point, it will be easy replace when the time comes. But for people who have some money to spend, this does look like a pretty nice setup. You make a compelling case for the projectors close to the screen and certainly have taught me a few things about projection television in general. The quality of the screen, for instance, makes a huge difference. Something I was previously unaware of. And I kind of do like that LED lighting effect around your screen. It's a nice touch. So is that frame around it. I agree with you that it's a better aesthetic.
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It is if it's ridiculously oversized for your small apartment. Which was the clearly stated point. Context matters. How long ago it was a common size doesn't.
The size of tbe room matters... As does the distance you are from the screen... 55 inch in a large living room with a sofa set and coffee table... The 55inch is going to look somewhat underwhelming.
But... It depends on what you want in life. I'm running a 42inch, TV doesn't dominate our family life and we like it that way. Living room for family interactions.
That said... That ALR screen with a laser ultra short throw and sound surround would be totally cool for a home theater room for movie nights
One whole wall of my bedroom is a projection screen. Basically the windows are covered with four layers of light blocking material and the screen covers that. Speakers fit in the window pockets so I get sound through the screen, like a theater. It works well but I prefer the 4K 55" TV in the same room. It's just more comfortable, I can leave the lights on, etc.
This is super cool but I bought a 75inch a year ago for about $900 that I have in my bedroom that takes up most of a wall. I paired that with a soundbar that only cost around $75 and I have a home movie theater in my bedroom. Sure I'd like this setup but I have something only slightly smaller for 1/5th the price so I'll wait till the prices drop.
@@Iampatrix
I just checked, and 75 inch televisions are on sale for about $600. Regular price about what you paid. What you have is a little expensive, but I'm saying that making comments on a $2,500 gaming machine. So, it's a question of priorities. When I bought my television, I had a 32 inch television in good condition. So, I wasn't planning on buying anything else until I found out that a 55 inch was only $300. At that point, the decision was completely a no brainer. But anything under $1,000 is still in pretty reasonable price range. Something I could potentially justify in the future. But that would be pushing the limits of my budget. Paying several times that isn't something I could ever justify.
omg glad I found your channel again! watched this video, then lost your channel for like 6+ months, until i started watching DIY again.
$3,500 for the theater then another $1,500 for the screen. That’s a hard pass for me.
Right. I just can't. I can put a 70 inch tv in every room for that kind of money.
@@wadebrewer7212
True, but a 75" tv pales to a 150" projected screen.
@@michaelangelo5783 in most rooms 150 inches make zero sense. It litterally has to be an 8 meter long dedicated room, or you wont be able to see it all 😂
I love how it looks like a 90s VCR imagine what the future holds for us
Lol
Right now the sweet spot is 65" Oled. I have two and look great lights on or off. No fussing around with projectors sticking 3 feet in front etc.
Laser might be ok for 150" but still don't think they look as good as Oled just better than old 1990s projection.
@@Physics072 I agree with the 65", but there's a lot of QLED's now that look as good, and even better in some ways than OLED's. Hisense U8H for example, is a mind blowing TV for the price.
Ya Laser screens looks like absolute TRASH.
This has been around for MANY years. I had a setup like this a few years ago, but went back to a regular TV. Contrast is just not the same.
Totally agree.
Yeah the darkest black looks like battleship grey.
I already dislike the lack of true blacks in LCD panels. I can't deal with projectors. The perceived sharpness goes out the window with such low contrast ratios.
This is the first thing I wondered about. I'm waiting for cheaper large OLED displays, and this doesn't seem to be a real alternative, unless you value size over image quality or contrast. In that situation, you might as well sit a little closer and save $4000.
@@mikaelwithers7079 - Are we talking the purple ones where the skin shines?
Good video! Just a warning on ultra-short-throw projectors: DO NOT BUY ONE, UNLESS YOU ARE VERY CERTAIN ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE. This video does a good job of describing this no-name projectors. However, most short-throw projectors are really terrible. They are taking a natively-rectangular image and outputting a hyper-trapezoidal image. Then, they use a combination of optics and internal electronic adjustment to correct the geometry. The problem is that in 95% of the cases, this will 1) reduce the actual pixel count that hits the screen, 2) mess up the bottom and corner focus, 3) create bad corner geometry, and 4) produce soft, fuzzy images due to the electronic geometric correction needed to force a rectangular image into a trapezoidal projection beam. Brand names are no protection against this. Most short-throw projectors are made for educational use and the quality standard is far below that of high-end home theatres.
Hello mate, I hear what you say, question mate, Im thinking of buying a Dell S718QL Advanced Laser Projector 4K UHD 5000 ANSI Lumens it says on the advert. is this model any good and up to the claimed specs generally. hoping you know or can advise.
@@colinwinterman Greetings, my Aussie-sounding friend! :) I don't know this projector, specifically. While Dell isn't the first name in video projection, the units I've seen are put together well. I can't give you a buy/don't buy recommendation. But, I will reiterate this warning about ALL short-throw projectors: You can't really know how well it will perform until you see it on your actual screen. The kooky optics and electronic geometric correction give these types of projectors very little margin for error, in terms of focus and sharpness. The type of surface you are projecting onto and the amount of ambient room light are also critical. If I were to give you any advice, it would be to buy something you can return. Good luck...mate!
All this just to watch storage wars
I'm on my 3rd short throw.
Using a black back screen makes a MASSIVE difference. All of my projectors however have only lasted 1 year before the chip burnt a "white pixel" into them. One was fixed by hand and has not had an issue in the 12.months since.
So they are so much fun, however look for long warranty, or don't bother unless you are prepared for the expensive initial setup.
I just got a small laser projector and I'm curious. What do you mean by a black back screen? The wall behind the projector screen is black? Or the screen itself is black?
Very nice ! Seems ideal for the avid home theater . Thanks for the detailed dive . Really appreciate the comparison over the lamp centered projectors that must sit 14 feet or more from the screen .
For a theater room where you can control the light then yeah, projection is very good. In most situations you can’t beat a OLED TV. Also, running colored lights around your screen is a huge pet peeve of mine. This washes your screen’s color temp and white balance, affects the contrast you can see and it’s a huge distraction. And it’s just plain tacky.
Harsh lights, correct. In a dark room a nice consistent and adjustable rear glow from the back of the screen helps to differentiate edge-of-the-screen-dark with room-dark. It’s also easier generally on the eyes scene to scene.
@@rossimarti but the whole point of a dark room with very good contrast and black levels is to completely draw you into the movie. Adding those lights takes away from the immersive experience.
People have different ideas about immersion. 3D? Dolby Atmos audio? Rumble seating? I am referring to “bias lighting” that can even synchronize with the screen’s color composition to create greater immersion.
Elite Home Theater: “One of the biggest design mistakes in home cinemas is assuming that as long as the room is dark, it will work.”
By the way, welcome to home theater, where everyone has an opinion. We exchange ideas, features, effects, upgrades, considerations, experiences, on and on. And that’s why it’s home theater, not “one size fits all” theater.
@@rossimarti try to run a screen calibration with those lights on and report back. As far as your last comment, yeah, most setups don’t do all that great in a completely dark room. That’s where OLED shines. That’s why the black diamond screens are popular. It’s hard to get a great picture in a completely dark room. Adding bright colored lights will bleed into the picture. Audio is separate from picture and so are the rumble seats, not a good comparison. And 3D could have made huge strides but the populous didn’t demand it in home cinema. And to that point, for 3D it’s even more critical to have good contrast and no lighting around. Those LED strips can induce flickering in active glasses and can also bleed in and cause reflections in the passive ones.
Nothing beats LG's O-LED. Not even Samsung qLED. O-LED is the best technology for screen details and sharpness. I'm actually shocked that Samsung doesn't have an O-LED TV out yet.. At least not that I know of.
I just learned about these projectors today when I accidentally stumbled upon them on Amazon. I already have a high-end 75" TV that I'll be holding on to for a few more years, but I could see one of these in my future after I retire (5-8 years). There's already another ultra short throw triple laser projector called the AWOL VISION LTV-3500 that may have an edge on the unit above. They seem very similar, but the AWOL has 3500 lumen brightness compared to this units 2800. I think that would make a pretty big difference between the two when it comes to brightness of the picture in a well lit room condition. The AWOL also comes with a heftier price tag too though, so there's that. The technology is fascinating though, I'm looking forward to seeing how much it advances by the time I may be looking for one.
Like you mentioned. The AWOL is $5500.00 before taxes without the screen. That would make the whole set up extremely expensive with maybe not too many additional benefits!
If you'd paint your walls and ceiling dark colors like dark gray with a black ceiling most of your contrast and lighting issues will go away. You don't even have to paint the whole room, just the 8 feet or so on the projector wall. You can use lamps if you must have lights on but adding a black curtain to separate your viewing room from your other room would make a massive difference. Remember, cutting weight is usually much easier and cheaper than adding horsepower. No need to blast brighter and stronger light on white wall. Just darken the area.
turn the. lights out works better when watching tv
If the paint is ambient light rejecting then yes.
@@toanvu9003 What are you even talking about? Black is black because the paint is absorbing light, hence no light is reflected and you perceive that material is the "color" black. Black is literally the absence of light, so their is no such thing as an "ambient light rejecting" paint.
yeh he kept the light on.
I have a 98 dollar RCA projector and a 110 inch view on a painted wall using left over white paint from my bathroom and green mask tape that i painted black and paint SONY on the bottom and it all works perfect people who come over think i have a actual screen ... Light is not a issue for you usually watch movies in a dark room to begin with...So for you being a DIY guy who should help to save money you have unsold me on the Laser projector now that i know you have to buy a special screen for it ..The whole idea of my projector is so i no longer have a cumbersome piece of equipment to movie around or fasten to a wall. I have had it for 6yrs now and no issues ... But with that said it is a nice piece of kit if you have the money for it or had it given to you for FREE but still would not want it because i have to buy a special screen for it unless you failed to say you do not need the special screen OOOOPS on you
How am I going to afford all this....hmm...*moves the couch closer*
This Formovie projector supports Dolby Vision, and that is awesome. No other projectors do that. Thanks for the video
Not only that... Look at the color gamut coverage
Wouldn't the Ambient Light Rejection screen look much better if you had a black (or at least very dark) carpet and table under your laser projector, so that when the lights were on it would still reflect this dark background underneath it for the darks in the image? I would think that would greatly improve the image when the lights were on.
There's paint that swallow light. 99.99% black.
People should play around with that.
Big brain. Most people only think about the light source and not the many light rays from surfaces they hit.
A dark room would be wonderful.
His whole room seems very bright in color, for a dedicated cinema setup. You are right about the table, but a lot is to be gained from darkening up the ceilings and walls as well, in case of projection.
This setup does resemble a living room situation better however, maybe that's what the reasoning is.
Anyway, cool tech. I will keep on projecting however, in my living room even. Nothing resembles the cinema experience more than that, despite its shortcomings and nuisances.
Well when light is reflected after it hits the screen it's pretty much not going to improve anything at all. But it might make you think it's better... And since your perception really is a part of the enjoyment of the system then maybe yes.
Good to know these are coming back. I wanted a Mitsubishi LaserVue since I first saw them
Nice explanation of the ambient light rejection screen tech. Always wondered how that worked
Our School has been progressively replacing their traditional projectors over the last eight years as they played up. Great Technology. I had the pleasure of using my work projectors for home theatre from back in the nineties … we even did outdoor movies on a seven metre screen with great success …
Price at : 07:58 .... , $5500 should have mentioned in the start :P
Thanks for video and the honesty on how you acquired the products in the video. It was helpfull information. All people watching product reviews (really demos, not reviews) need take into account the how YT channels get the products they show case. I can't fault anyone for wanting free products especially high ticket items that they could not otherwise afford, but what often is missing in the videos are the real "cons" of the products. The YT channels don't want to be cut off from the free product stream sent to them by fully disclosing the important negatives. It is best to perceive the videos as polished product demos, not reviews, much like going a trade show or watching an infomercial.
Yes, as cool as it is, the price is going to push off 99% of tv buyers. This is ultra luxury reserved for the wealthy. Most people are barely willing to spend $1000 for their tv, let alone 5 times that. But at least it makes a nice cooperation gift for tech youtubers 🤔
99%? That's not true. Not everyone is poor or has 5+ children, and home entertainment is a high priority for many people and households. I would think that 99% figure should be more like 70 or 75%. I personally know many people who have spent 2.5k plus on multiple tvs in their house, and none of them are wealthy.
@@sf5553 you don't understand how those numbers work. 70% of a suburban residents with mid class income maybe, but 99% of the entire USA population of age 18 and above.
Many of us live in a bubble, and as you say "know people" mostly from that bubble. If you know many people who would be willing to spend $5000 on a tv setup, I rest my case 🤝🏼
@@OrcCorp If you're saying 9.9 out of 10 people over 18 in the USA cannot spend 5k on their household entertainment theater or TV setup, that isn't true. Can't and won't are different. There are TONS of people who have no desire for it or other priorities, but 9.9 out of 10 CANNOT, is not true. 63% of the USA is not married, and the median household income is 71k.
Definitely too expensive for my needs but I do love these short throw setups. Maybe if I ever have a dedicated theater/streaming room again or if the tech disseminates out until the price comes down to something on par with a 70" TV. Until then I'll just stick to my cheap and portable Nebula DLP projector. I do love it though.
The Diamondback screen is used on projection and works great. Whether it's laser light or light from a light bulb it's still light it still needs to hit the screen from the bottom and ambient killed from the top.
This same screen can be installed upside down for a ceiling mount short throw. We did it to 27 classrooms with no issues.
@@kriswingert1662 the inversion of that pattern would assume an ambient light source from the floor in that scenario. An UST would be projecting from the ceiling as well as the ambient lights
Wow. I just ran across this video by chance. It's the first time I've ever heard about laser TVs. THANK YOU for the detailed explanation!
Amazing how good things are when you get them for free !!
So glad to see you have jumped onto the UST bandwagon as well! Although we have pre-wired our basement (including conduits etc.) for ceiling mount projectors, we have also been looking at UST for last couple years. A few friends locally even asked me to helped design their home theater setup and we ended up going with USTs for all of them. Unfortunately, I am super sensitive to rainbow effect and ended up returning the same single laser UST projector that we all bought for my own home theater (and yes, I have confirmed unfortunately I am susceptible to it even with the triple laser USTs that have come to market in the last 6-9 months including Formovie). Having said that - on the flip side - as an Epson 3LCD ceiling mount projector owner (like you), I look forward to their current gen UST (LS800?) and since most other 3 laser projectors are ruled out, it should hopefully narrow the list quite a bit and make the decision easy (once we find / do a demo at one of the local best buy Magnolia or similar specialty store that might have one for demo).
Also, to reiterate - I AM glad to see you have jumped onto the UST bandwagon.😉 As I am looking forward to innovative / "handy" solutions you might come up with for "re-wiring" between the UST to the home theater rack. Ideally, UST wiring *should* be relatively straightforward compared to ceiling mounted projectors, but I always like to look at multiple ways folks in the home theater community tackle the problem and try to pick one based on my own skillset, cost and so on. Great video as always!
Someone needs a life.
he didnt Jump into it, it was sent for Free
I used a DLP projector for a few years and found the most annoying part was the fan noise and heat in the room. The projector being right by your head made it far worse.
Then move it
I replaced my fan with a quite PC fan, and put top of the line paste on the heat sink. Fixed all that for me.
That price point is actually not bad at all. I'm sure people have spent vastly more for similar setups in the past. That being said, I hope you will appreciate how lucky you are to get that for free every time you sit down to watch it.
Formovie is part of Xiaomi Technology. Chinese products have revolutionized the world beating Samsung and other major companies. And being made in China the price is very affordable. Its amazing how advance China tech has become thats why US is jealous of China. Even with US sanctions China can exceed everyone in tech and sell it at a reasonable price.
2:50 The cost per square inch (or cm) would be more useful than the diagonal length. It’s the area that determines much of the cost and also the benefit.
Assuming all screens are in 16:9 it really doesn't matter, because the area will scale linearly with an increase in diagonal, therefore the ratios would stay exactly the same.
I was gonna say, diagonal "rise over run" is a consistent, but nonstandard comparison for pixel density. It just requires a little geometrical math, merely conversions, and there’s no data lost in translation.
I have the AWOL Vision LTV-3500 and a 120inch ALR screen and it's an amazing set up. It actually came first in another comparison video and beat the Formovie. It supports 3D and has input lag on 30ms at 4K and 15ms at 1080p. I too will never go back to traditional televisions. The immersion on this 120inch screen is just too incredible.
What ALR screen do you have? I'm searching for my AWOL Vision 2500
@@EnriqueReyes AWOL Vision have their own ALR screens and I got the 120inch from them.
Hi Michael, how does the 3D mode look on the AWOL?
@@tcine Absolutely incredible. I've seen 3D Avatar 21 times in the cinema and the 3D on the AWOL LTV-3500 with a 120inch ALR screen feels even more epic than in the cinema. There's something special about having that kind of depth and perception of space and distance in your own home when watching 3D movies. I literally contacted AWOL Vision earlier this year and convinced them to add 3D support to their two projectors. Two weeks later, they announced a 3D update was coming and they told me I was a big reason why they decided to add 3D. I then pre-ordered the LTV-3500 because I simply won't buy a projector unless it supports 3D. Now it does and I couldn't be happier.
@@michalsavatar7 You, sir, are a legend! I have 2 3d tvs (Sharp Aquos 70" LCD/Vizio Cinemawide 58") and I love the 3D effect. Wanted to upgrade my screen and AWOL is the only UST that supports 3D. You have helped make up my mind on which UST to purchase! Thank you!.
"When it comes to really big images, big TV's are the way to go." Never would have guessed it.
I got a school grade epson and it works really well in a medium to low light room, adjustable settings really help.
Curious. As a speaker designer/builder, I find that when doing a dedicated room like this, I always recommend (and most agree) to impliment a matching center channel speaker in-wall or out, At the very least a center utilizing an M/T-M/M same or smaller version of the L/R mains (same or smaller drivers). Where are you going to fit an external 1.5 to 3 cubic foot center channel speaker? Under the projector, that is too close to the ground. May sound silly, but considering how important the center channel is in any home theater system, not liking my options here. Angled In-wall, above and below maybe? Hmmm. Increasing the height could be problematic too but maybe the best option to consider. not a fan of using a sounbar or an entirely different speaker for the center channel, just not an option.
It's quite odd that he put so much effort into having a big screen, with zero understanding of speaker placement. All that work, for nothing.
What the f*ck did I just kinda read?
If you look at his room on the shot showing his previous projector from the side indicating the 14 feet of throw distance required you will see what I think is his centre channel speaker mounted above on a ceiling crop out, so he may already have it in position. One issue with that placement is the tweeters are no where near aligned anywhere close the main left and right tweeters and cause possible audio problems.
My center channel speaker is mounted to the soffit, which hangs down about a foot from the ceiling. Ideally I’d have an acoustically transparent screen with the center channel behind it but until then having my center channel where it is has worked well enough for years.
Cool video but I'll stick with my standard projector. Too much money for small gains. In a few more years when they come down in price then maybe I'll try the laser. Good video
Great video. I keep going back and forth on a TV vs UST. I'm replacing an old 98" Mitsubishi, so even an 85" TV is still losing 13" of screen.
My concerns are that UST 4k is not "real" 4k, and most of what I've read say that they CAN'T do HDR because they can't get bright enough and HDR has minimum NITS requirements. I haven't found side by side comparisons with a TV, and I'd question the Dolby Vision support. It would be great to see you go into the HDR/DV support/comparisons.
I also never understood how/why something like this has Dolby Atmos. If you have a 100+" screen you have a decent size room, and it just isn't possible to get GOOD sound to fill that space from built in speakers.
I'd love to see how you set it up with your speaker system, and how you'd recommend doing an Atmos sound bar setup. As several people pointed out, placing the soundbar is tricky for a UST. Under it isn't ideal since not only is it too low, but there is risk of the projector being vibrated, and you can't put it above for obvious reasons, and I don't think I've seen an acoustic transparent ALR screen.
I'm very happy with my 65" Vizio TV, the only problem I had one night was a old TV show I used to watch when I was a kid with the uhd 4K I could see the stings on a space ship sorta messed with that , oh and I got this around 3yrs ago and it's been really great my smartphone hooked up on it with no problem and I even played games on it without any problems.
I recently had the 120” vivid storm motorized screen and the Vava 4K and sent it back. Oddly enough I traded them in for the same Epson mentioned in this video. My screen is a power Stewart masking unit so it needs pretty dark rooms or it washes out easily. I set up some warm Edison lamps in the room to illuminate the room and it’s perfect. It’s not read a book bright but you can discern between Tortilla and kale chips just fine. I have a Sony Oled 77” for the daytime and literally the second the sun starts to set I switch to the Epson projector and love it. It feels like a movie theater and the natural colors of the Epson are more relaxing on the eye than the OLED and much better than the VaVa. I do hear the new Vava is supposed to be better but the is was lame. The Sony is nice but I find a bit too contrasted and limited on settings. I don’t usually write about
Things like this but I’d like to know if anyone has the same opinion?
If the setup was priced around 2 to 3k it would be alot more competitive with TVs on the market
Not in the 125 inch class.
@@derekfurst6233 yea but it has disadvantages compared to a regular TV that don't make it worth 5 to 6 k
@@mattmatti3525 compared to a 30k dollar tv of the same size (120 inch), this 4-5k range of projectors can get away with a somewhat softer image and worse brightness in an ambiently lit room. We're talking like 15% of the price for like 60% image quality. That's a very good trade off, which is why many people with dedicated home theater rooms are choosing it
@@derekfurst6233 i would say the market clearly reflects that nobody is looking for a 125 inch tv.. That would make the cheap 70 inch panels more popular than more expensive 55 inch ones.
Minor correction: "I WAS GIVEN a laser TV and I'm never going back." Pretty important distinction.
My $798.00 Walmart Exclusive SANYO 65" LED TV is still going strong after 8 yrs and the 1080p picture looks absolutely beautiful! I have disabilities so I'm home all day and my TV has been on everyday from early morning till late at night for 8 yrs. I'm still very satisfied!
I wonder what happens later when the dust starts to build up on the reflect edge? Can you clean it with air duster ? vacuum cleaner?
We’ll have to see. It’s right in the open so I imagine a quick blast of compressed air should do it every few months.
This is a really good question. If possible and you do keep it, please follow up with a short video or tell people somehow.
Yes, you can. Even if dust is on top the light beams right through no problem.
I would say, that if you're happy with your current setup, you shouldn't let someone pressure you into upgrading to something else.
That attitude is why gramps is still rocking the plasma.
@@mcgilliman I have a DLP projector for my home theater. It throws a 12ft image and looks great. I don't feel pressured to upgrade just cuz this guy (who got his unit for free in exchange for a favorable review) says this is better and I should run out and buy one.
@Lungho not only that but we keep electronics out of the landfill. There is this consumer mindset to buy the latest thing every year and it's not good for the planet
I love my cathode tube TV and use the money I saved to buy gas.
Yep. Sadly, that is the mindset of most consumers. People have to get the latest and the greatest, even if whatever figure of merit is only marginally greater. Most people are hugely affected by their friends'/relatives'/neighbors' latest purchases, and will strive to equal or surpass those. Its a game where the manufacturers win.
I always prefer size over quality when it comes to media consumption so this is my dream setup except the money for that is also only my dream 😆
I was even fine using a portable projector on a 100" screen a few years ago. Although to be fair, after getting a 4K Mini LED TV, my standards for projectors might be a lot higher 😄
Yep. The newer Mini LED 120Hz 4K monitors are some serious kit.
Currently I'm running my computer off three 27" 4K monitors.
But, when I replace them, I'll be looking at something like the Mini LED TV.
They're so good right now that they're a perfect replacement for a computer rig.
And the pricing is more than reasonable.
But give it a couple years to hit ubiquity, and the prices will plummet.
Just get a second job for a while and buy what you want. It's pretty easy.
my current 85 inch TV in the living room will be the last TV i own, i agree, short throw and a screen is definitely the way to go
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4th projector issue: they're loud. If you have it hanging on the ceiling, it'll be noticeable, no matter how quiet people say it is, and it detracts from the viewing experience. I had a 91" equivalent screen with projector, but I stepped back to 75" LCD just because I couldn't stand the noise. I'd be curious to know just how much I'd hear one of these. I know they're quieter than what I had hanging on my ceiling, but if you're enjoying a movie at night and you don't want to disturb your family, it's a problem if you need to crank the movie volume to overcome the fan noise. TV panels are still 0db silent.
my xiaomi laser tv is dead silent.
My benq 4k projector is not loud. I could barely hear the fan unless I put it mute try to listen to it. It’s doesn’t matter me at all even when I put the volume extremely low.
I was thinking of replacing the fan in my projector with a noctua fan cause you can't even hear them
They report the fan noise in the specs. My A/C system is just as loud as the projector. Can barely hear either one.
Well, I have the Nebula Capsule 3. Obviously not a 4K ultimate home theatre kind of projector. But still a laser projector with good quality for its size and price, and the fan noise is hardly even noticeable unless you got it right next to your ear. You can definitely find quiet laser projectors, LED projectors will always inevitably be louder because LED's get more hot more quickly. Also, if you're playing something at night, you always have the option of using bluetooth headphones on every OS I can think of. An AppleTV will even let you connect two sets of AirPods if you want to listen with a partner. So the fan noise argument isn't really valid tbh
Each time I've had projectors, they were in rooms with horrible lighting for a projector, so I eventually swapped back to my 75" Samsung. I do prefer a projector to a TV, but with the room I'm in currently the projector just doesn't work well. Once I move again, I'll hopefully be in a place I can use the projector again.
I am not quite sure whether did you watch the video or not.
Love how you open up with a flyby of Stirling Castle, nestling atop the rock from which I am one of many sons......you can almost see my house from there.
And aside from that..awesome.
I personally think that comparing this laser setup to projector is apples to oranges when it comes to cost. I bought my 4k 3000+ lumens Optoma projector for $1200 and it does pretty well here in Florida on a well lit day right next to my sliding glass patio door. To compare it to a $6500 laser projector setup is disingenuous at best... It's like comparing a Ferrari to a modified civic. Both are equally enjoyable. One just requires more work to make good.
You must be talking about a pixel shift or Doubler type projector that you got for 1200
Cool so I’ll wait a couple years till the new models out and my 65” still goin strong 💪🏼
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It would be interesting to see a side-by-side of a high-end OLED screen and this in daylight and a darkened room. I'd also like to know is it possible to mount the projector on the ceiling and have it down fire, in what would probably have to be a darkened room but potentially a much better picture than a regular projector or possibly a OLED TV.
you lose the ambient light blocker and have to mount the screen upside down, otherwise yes.
For starters, WHERE are you going to find an OLED that size...? THE MOON?! 🙄🙄
@@dexter-wy5bo mounting upside down would take away any of the benefits, so it would probably be better to use a regular screen at that point, save some money. I don't see why it wouldn't work with a regular screen other than that.
Except maybe the projector not being able to do the keystone in the other direction, but that would probably only be a firmware thing.
Pleae, do NOT get an UST PJ (guy here calls them "laser TVs." But even if you must -- never get an "ambient light rejection" or ALR screen with them. Please. You have been properly warned.
@@frankfarago2825 you going to explain, like at all?
First of all, many thanks for your introduction and demonstration on this product. However, the projection seems to form a shady pattern across the screen that is sailing through the screen from the bottom screen to the top screen in a constant repetition pattern. Looks like a typical projection lamp error! Wonder if that can be adjust?
Very suspicious!
There is definitely banding visible. Could be an artefact of this laser tech, or camera+video sync issue.
I love this concept becuase it is like a mobile full sized TV and could be used for camping etc.
I am amazed that you have shown me a TV option that I've never heard of. It won't work for my setup, (no back wall), but it was a great explanation of the pros and cons.
I have a 65 inch 4k, but rarely (never?) play native 4k content. Next TV will probably be sub $1k ~85 inch biggest frame I can get.
No back wall? Make a stand for it.
Wow we play nothing BUT 4k content. More than enough available on pretty much every streaming platform..
These projectors are cool, and for some people they will be the best option, but I would personally prefer a ceiling mounted projector rather than having something sitting on the floor in front of the screen. But if you in an apartment, for example, where you can ceiling mount, then this would be a good option.
Just mount this projector upside down on the ceiling and inverse the projected image.
@@Wirmish People only seem to talk about having these short throw projectors on a coffee table or something in front of the screen, so I wasn't sure that was an option. If you're able to ceiling mount though, you have all kinds of options.
I just wanna say that you can get a For Movie projector for like 300 bucks. I totally expected this to be 3K +, and I'm absolutely blown away :O
Oh yes? Link?
Where can you get one for 300 bucks
@@thesillk8692 haha. He can't
Hey man, just a tip, if you are shooting video of a projector and want people to buy it, make sure to change your camera frame rate so there are no scan lines on the screen (or change the Hz/frame rate of the projector, so it cancels out).
Also, shoutout to Elite Screens. I use their "Yard Master 2" with an ultra short throw rear projection, specifically for events and conferences, as its quick and easy to set up (shame they had no skirt trim and I had to make my own).
I looked up the pros and cons of laser tv’s. It’s still like a projection that also has a problem with smears. Also like a projection, you need to have a dark lit area to get the best picture unless your willing to spend extra and still suffer the same issue. The lamp also last for 20,000 hours. And very expensive to replace.
In short: it’s not worth it at this time.
Did you not watch the video?
@@abarenas - sure did
Sound like coping from someone who wants but can't afford the setup.
It is DLP and has all the drawbacks of high end DLP, which are few. There is no perfect TV technology. Everything is a compromise. This is engineering, not utopia. I had one of these UST DLP projectors and the picture quality was fantastic.
The picture quality on ANY TV is better in a dark room, especially OLED which has brightness issues. Again everything is a compromise. At least you don't have to deal with specular reflections. The ALR screen certainly makes it a decent picture in a brighter room.
The "lamp" is not a lamp and doesn't "last" 20,000 hours. The mean time to half brightness is 20,000 hours. It will continue working after that. And the cost is negligible. Even if you spend another $3k to replace the whole projector in 10 years it's not that big a deal. I've certainly had TVs that didn't last that long.
It’s amazing how the bottom left and right sections of the screen don’t get blurry - with a projector shooting from that close an angle
Unlike a projector, with a lens system, lasers project s tiny dot, that stays the same size (almost) over the distance from top to bottom, so that there's no blurring.
The top corners are the two that are hardest to get sharp with a test pattern. The little bit of blur from it isn't noticeable when watching something.
This is a well-executed video. Well done. Very informative and well structured. Nice one, pal!
Very well done! I appreciate the info!
This is amazing. I would love to know what the input lag is like on this as it could be great for gaming. Also I hope to see curved screens with laser projectors for total immersion in things like racing games. Imagine having 180 degrees FOV with a giant screen around my sim racing rig. Maybe just at pipe dream as the laser projector would pretty much need to go in the middle where the rig would be placed.
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@@spdcrzy Thank you. That is very informative. Should be adequate for gaming then. Just not quite perfect yet.
You can already get decent immersivity by sitting less than 2m from a large 4K Tv. It gives you about 120° fov. I haven't gone back to 'normal' viewing distances since trying it for gaming. Works really well with a 65" OLED.
@@cnocbui Unfortunately that’s not enough for sim racing. You can’t see the cars beside you and you lose a lot of the sense of speed. Also for the most part you can’t see your mirrors if your fov is set correctly. Three screens or a very wide supercurved screen is much better.
I wish 3D gaming would make a comeback. 3D films and games on a big old screen (if you sit close at the right range) are somewhat like the VR experience without the headset and which can be shared with others wearing the 3D glasses. I'd get this PJ if they added 3D support. But a good number of PJs still have it.
I'd love one of these, but I'd want my own screen. I have a very light controlled room so the light filtering stuff doesn't apply that much. It'd be a nice feature, but I wouldn't get much use out of it. The laser projectors are nice, though. I'd love to get one when I do upgrade.
Trouble is, most commercial screens are designed to take light shot straight at them by a projector and bounce it back straight out at the audience. Their off-axis brightness ranges from OK to very dim, though this is mostly an issue for side viewing angles for normal projectors. For a projector like this one that is designed to project the light up from a low position, an average screen would bounce most of the light up at the ceiling.
There are some matte projector screen materials made in mind for short throw laser projectors where you can find and buy the raw material to try and set up yourself. It's a niche market, but it's out there. In-fact it's so niche, I imagine you could probably negotiate a 1-off from some local company instead of DIYing the whole of it.
@LRN2DIY - That screen with its sawtooth design is fascinating! An observation though: what about the lamp on the table next to the seat in your demo? How would it affect the picture? I suspect maybe it would bounce the light downward toward the projector, but would overall probably not affect the image too much.
This combination of screen and short throw projector almost looks like it might work in my church except for one thing. If the projector is ceiling mounted near the screen hanging down also from the ceiling, I feel like that sawtooth pattern might not only reject ambient light but also the laser light. Even if the screen was flipped upside down, it probably wouldn't be very effective because then both laser and ceiling lights would show on the screen. Plus you have the congregation that would be sitting lower to the screen than in a standard theater.
Any thoughts?
The projector needs to be shooting up to the screen not down to it obviously
@@LOLFLUSHDRAW Unless, as he said, the screen is flipped upside down. Then the projector/screen geometry is maintained.
There is a little video in the advertisement.
The screen type reminds me of the old school rear projection tv screen panels. The problem with those was that you needed to be seated directly in front, otherwise the light and clarity became washed for anyone viewing from wider angles. Is there any issue with view angle with this type of setup? Are they planning to adapt to a curved screen?
I feel like that's basically what it is just smaller lights now called "lasers"
The one thing I’m trying to figure out is where to put my very large Martin Logan center ch without having to resort to placing it on the floor. The one thing I thought of was having a custom cabinet that was deep enough to place the center in front of the UST as I’d never use the UST’s built in speakers but not sure aesthetically how it would look.
False wall with acoustically transparent screen. Speaker goes behind the screen. Obviously that requires some construction and extra space behind the screen.
@@winklerchr unfortunately I live in a rental property so the false wall isn't a option.
Very cool! Thanks for the video. I hope to see some more reviews of the Formovie. I couldn't seem to find it on any lists other than the projectorscreen one. Also, not sure if you can do this with the Formovie, but hisense projectors can be paired side by side for an ultra wide cinema experience.
Its a sponser video. Probably got it for free to make a video about it
Dude it’s bowers and Wilkins no wonder it’s high quality. I’ve got speakers not the loudest as they’re small but the sound quality is superb.
1599 for the cheapest? you got ripped off! you can get one at best buy for 899 online 👍
Bigger isn't always better if you want a big screen for gaming I'd suggest a quality 65 inch or 75 max. It depends on the distance you're sitting same goes for pc monitors. I have a beamer but mostly use it to project it to the ceiling when I lay in bed.
Large screen setups exist to have a true "theater at home" experience if you are building an actual home theater. For a gaming setup it will never make sense.
I expect my TVs to last at least 10 years if not more, so I’ll still go for the normal set up with 8k. But I’m going to get my own home next year so maybe if this laser tech can get up to 8k or at the very least 5k, I’d consider it. Still, it’s nice to know that there are screens that can actually make short throw a viable option
New tvs ain’t lasting 10 years lol
@@TheOnlyKontrol I still have some hope. My latest samsung I got for my mother was bought in 2014 and it still looks amazing
@@TheOnlyKontrol Wrong...100% WRONG...I have had my 85 inch Samsung for 11 years.
No tenia idea que existiera algo asi. Excelente video. Super informativo.
I set up our theater as a ceiling mount as well. The short throw PJs are sweet but they seem really in the way of the room. Thanks for sharing the price. I'm guessing the screens can't be acustic transparent?
Can't you mount the short-throw on the ceiling then?
You can mount it on the ceiling too.
@@azurthedragon A normal short throw pj sure, but this is paired with a special screen that blocks light from above. Mounting this to the ceiling would require flipping the screen as well. Defeats the purpose.
The LED strips are included so you don't notice the wash that you can't stop from appearing along the top of the wall/ceiling above the screen.
So, I'm guessing mounting the projector on the ceiling another foot back would give you a larger image (require a larger screen), but wouldn't do a good job with the ambient light? How does it do with lamps that are at eye level in the room vs overhead lights?
Judging by his explanation of the serrated surface, the eyes level light would reflect into the dark part and not affect the screen.
well no because that projector was specifically designed to sit under the picture, and the projection screen he was using was specifically designed to be projected onto from below.
@@KonradZielinski Didn't realize that was how it worked. We used to have some close profile projectors at my office and they would work either from the top or bottom of the "screen" that was actually painted on the wall. It was special paint, but nothing like this I guess.
Excellent presentation!
Well done!
Input lag 38 ms. Gamers won't like
Been thinking about getting this setup for my tradeshow booths. Currently I pack this huge 20ft by 10ft LED wall and would like to replace it with something more up to date. Normal projectors are out as they dont have a great track record for transporting. How would this work out as a trade show video screen? would it be bright enough I wonder?
The real deal is an 85" for $1500.
Cheaper just to sit closer.😁
I dont watch TV and found this video very interesting. I've learned something new. Liked & subscribed
I understand that Laser Light is not good for your eyes. Is it any different in this situation? If the system is basically bouncing Laser Light off the screen and into your eyes, and you are exposed to it for hours each day, I would like to know what safety testing requirements or standards these machines have met? Is there any mention of this in the owners manual?
I would assume the laserlight is bouncing off diffused from the screen, it is not laser focused anymore. Hence, I don't believe there would be a problem. Just would not want to look into the laser source, which is probably why Nils avoided to have it point at the camera sensor.
It is indirect light scatter in the actual light engine to the DLP chip. So no, it is NOT like shooting a laser pointer at your eye.