Destiny Talks w/ MauLer (Bloodborne, The Batman, Plot Holes, Death Note, Game of Thrones s8)
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►Timestamps:
00:00 - Bloodborne, Dark Souls
03:32 - Everything Everywhere All at Once, The Matrix
12:24 - Interstellar, The Dark Knight Rises
17:58 - Death Note, Anime, E;R
23:55 - Game of Thrones, FreeFolk
01:02:57 - Arcane, Top Gun, The Batman, Done
01:11:48 - The Simpsons vs Family Guy
►Date: 3 Jun, 2022
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Mauler: calls
Mauler: triggers destiny about game of thrones
Mauler: *leaves*
The power of Longman effortlessly makes a small highlight into an hour+ podcast. Praise be the massive.
"Finally, A Worthy Opponent , Our Battle Will Be Legendary!"
Literally these two if they ever hardcore debated something
Hell yeah, Mauler.
This has to be the most satisfying stream I've heard in years
The catharsis i experienced; hearing my two favorite content creators rip into the last half of GOT; was immeasurable.
These are my two favorite content creators!
ME TOO ITS CRAZY HEARING THEM TALK
Same. Its So wild to see the Efap Universe collide with the Sitch & Adam Universe then collide with the DGGiverse
Agreed. Might sound cringey, but these two are bastions of objectivity and i cherish them for it.
@@slanderman92 😂😂😂😂 I’m gonna steal that phrase I’m sorry hahah
@@slanderman92 There is no such thing as objective coverage. Thinking that way is definitely something Destiny (no idea about Mauler) would call stupid.
Bloodborne is a real masterpiece. BB was the first game I got with my PS4 and the first "souls" game I ever played. I spent over 300 hours on that had so much fun with it and platinumed it as well. Hands down one of my top 5 most favorite games of all time.
It’s funny, back when it was new and there weren’t many PS4 games I went and bought it, and couldn’t even make it to cleric beast. About a year ago I gave it another shot, stuck with it to really nail down the way souls games want you to play, and it’s easily top 3 for me now.
The dlc is god tier also
@@davidferguson8263 Yeah that is From Soft's best DLC they've done to date imo. Excellent levels, excellent bosses, top tier soundtrack, it's the whole package.
I was super excited at Euron Greyjoy getting introduced into the TV series, thinking we were going to see more of the God cult shit since he effectively was an Eldritch cultist obtaining Godhood in the books. It was so disheartening that he was just a horndog mercenary who wanted to be lord of the Greyjoys and marry Cersei if he won her the war.
What's worse is that it sounds like HBO was giving the brothers full independant autonomy over the show, even offering them additional seasons and they were like, "no, we're good with this."
to be fair who didn't want to bang cersei ?
He's like the most mysterious and potentially most powerful characters in the books but in the show he's just HEE HOO AH FOOK THA QUEEN WIFMAH BIG COK 😂
Damn! How did I miss this a month ago? :O I had to miss the EFAP episode cuz I still haven’t seen EEAAO. Great to hear these dudes talk passionately about media, hope to see them do it again :)
Now this is an awesome crossover
Pretty sure E;R said that even without the source material to judge, netflix's deathnote failed in it's own right which I find very hard to disagree with. I don't understand this weird position of "no you can't judge this based off the source material" when there is no merit to defend.
Absolutely. The live action Deathnote was trash, regardless of its connection to the source material or lack thereof.
Willum defoe as ryuk is perfect casting though
E;R? You're talking about the well known white supremacist?
A story can't be bad just because something is different from the source material. A story is bad based on whether it's internally consistent. That's why the new Star Wars shit is bad, because it's part of a canon that it breaks. Batman killing people in new movies isn't bad in and of itself because new movies create their own rules.
@Alexander Romero Yikes. Apparently you enjoy stories that make no sense, huh?
This was a legitimately fun conversation.
i need a full destiny media arc
E.R at least explained why the changes didn’t work in the film
Like Mia being the evil made light look like a pussy
Or how the notebook now allowing you to mind control people into doing stuff before killing them opens up a tone of plot holes
He could have just had watari die but have him kill L before that
S tier crossover
(yes I know they did EFAP together but the 1 on 1 is better)
WHY NOT PUT MAULER IN THE TITLE
Fromsoft is saving Bloodborne for a big remaster or remake release. Bloodborne, isn't just lacking a PC release, it was one of the few games that never got a performance patch for PS4pro, so it still runs like it did on base PS4 no matter what console you're playing it on. I'm convinced this is a deliberate choice to make the re-release more impressive when it eventually drops.
And btw Demon's Souls was always console exclusive.
From Software doesn't do remasters or remakes, some other developers take care of it.
@@lahunica2726WeLl AcTuAlLy 🤓
wait mauler and destiny? this was a suprising duo!
God damn based Mauler and based Destiny. My worlds have collided.
I assume it must be a scene drawn from the books, but one scene that does convey Arya in a very dark light, is when she feeds walter frey a pie that she actually baked from the butchered meat of his children. I don't understand how more people don't seem to recognize how completely fucking insane and disgusting that reveals her to have become. I mean, it seems not even the show runners recognized it, since it's not reflected anywhere else, but that scene always struck me as deserving a lot more concern.
The way GOT was fumbled is just so sad. They identified 4x9 as where the show stopped being good. I agree and I think season 5/6 didn't engage me in the same way that the previois seasons did.
But I think the true point of no return where the story was fucked is 6x10. It was a cool experience but really it resolved way too many storylines and and there wasn't enough time to build up new ones. Too many of the interesting characters were lost as well.
Destiny is probably right about Dune. God I love that movie
Resurrection takes something when you're resurrected, and Jon snow lost his brains
I love the Destiny movie talks whether with yms or now mauler
Edit: despite how shit his takes can be (like the movies before 2004 were trash)
Did he say they are trash, or did he say that he can’t enjoy them?
@@kobitz9001 listen for yourself lol 2:35 ua-cam.com/video/EV0Fmsf1Ryg/v-deo.html
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I think his dune take was bad, not that dune didn’t have big problems, but he seems to choose the worst critiques about it.
Wait, Destiny said movies before 2004 are trash?
Arcane does mostly follow leagues lore pretty closely, but because it's a prequel show characters aren't at the state they're at in the game yet
I've been told by friends who are into LoL lore that there are several inconsistencies, and that arcane is kind of like its own AU.
@@Greatkingrat88 well I wouldn't call it an au, the stories are going in the same direction as they are in the game but they didn't keep every single detail for the sake of narrative and stuff. the proper changes are actually pretty minor, the reason it feels so different is because the show introduces a bunch of new elements we haven't read about. the writers basically set out to fill gaps in the lore by adding new characters worldbuilding etc. not change the lore for their liking. I read back character bios on rewatches and noticed that they did follow some story beats in character bios verbatim.
@@dubwubwubstek244 I honestly can't tell, but my friends told me there are a few major changes.
Either way it doesn't matter, arcane is a pretty good show even on its own.
@@Greatkingrat88 I guess it's subjective, jinx doesn't really have a backstory in lol yet in arcane she has one. I don't consider that a change of source material, it's just like expanding on source material. no one in league ever goes ahead and calls her "powder" so lore geeks cry and say that arcane is a 10 but alas, it's irrelevant because it's not canonical which is kinda dumb. but so far they've kept the stuff people like about the lore and retconned only bad parts for the better.
the geeks are right about it being a 10. gonna keep coping for season 2 to come out early next year
@@dubwubwubstek244 It's more stuff like, Hextech is new in Arcane and in LoL it was already well established, stuff like that.
Honestly, it doesn't need to be lore accurate to be good. It could be drastically different and still be great. Just being faithful to the source material is not necessarily good. It can be, but not always.
For me Arcane was like... 3/5. The character writing was 10/10, except pretty much everything involving Jayce who was horribly inconsistently written and his entire clique was kind of boring (and they eat up half the screentime), and the actual story was pretty basic, pretty meh. I watched it for Vi, Cait and Jinx; the rest felt kind of meh.
S02 Brienne vs Jamie on the bridge whilst he's captive is the best fight in the show
No
Mmmmmmm
Great stuff.
The thing you say about sci fy movies being a vehicle to explore the human condition is true of every genre.
Lol, i was looking for this comment
That's true of literally every movie 😂
Dany in the last season went from somewhat slowly going mad to just straight up murdering kids that shit was fucking whack.
The white walkers were a tool of nature, and mother nature won the game of thrones in the end
I loved battle of the bastards, but yeah it was a great example of what went wrong
Sansa is responsible for the deaths of thousands of people for not telling Jon about the knights of the vale and all for some girly "wellll you neverrr even bothered to ask meeee" BS
Brann's character started and ended with the window
Based Jamie trying to spare us from the absolute smug face of Bran 🤮
I had to pause and watch ETEWAAO. Jesus Christ, great film
I thought it was kinda mid
Also, in The Dark Knight Rises, the doctor in the prison tells Bruce Wayne that Bane paid him a lot of money to keep him alive. What good is the doctor’s money in that prison? 😂 The prison in that movie doesn’t make sense to me.
oh maybe he implied money and getting out?
Like in any prison, they probably have their own miniature economy in it.
All three of those movies have stuff like that. Like why does Gordon fake his death in The Dark Knight and why doesn’t he tell his family other than to have their genuine grief convince the audience he’s really dead? I don’t believe for a second Gordon would do that to his family, the reasoning for the whole plan or even what the plan was seems to get brushed over, and then he’s somehow just there to capture the Joker at gunpoint after Batman chased him through the city. Like, where was he? How did that work out? And why does Batman have to take the fall for Dent’s crimes at the end? They could’ve just pinned it on the Joker’s henchmen, but for dramatic reason, Batman just decides to take the fall and “be a hero” by effectively putting his vigilante justice to bed as a perceived villain. Also, what happened to the cop Dent spared? Did she get paid off to keep quiet about Dent? There’s just stuff like that that blemishes an otherwise solid movie. TDKR’s logistical issues were just more obvious.
Kinda disappointed they didn't talk about SW
Of course he likes family guy more than the Simpsons
I NEED to hear maulers thoughts on interstellar
I think he knows he's personally annoyed by it, because he says he doesn't wanna "trigger the fanbase" when he's triggered the biggest fanbases in the world.
46:24 THIS IS EXACTLY RIGHT
Welsh Longoid encounters Cuban gnome
I think it's fair to make comparisons to source material when appraising adaptation.
If a creator didn't want their work to be pulled down by comparisons to older works, then don't adapt a work that already exists.
You can't choose to basically borrow the clout and reputation of another property and then get a get-out-of-jail-free-card by having it viewed purely on its own merit. It's not its own thing. It's as derivative as it gets and purposefully uses people's association to the quality of the source-material to get people to engage with it.
Secondly, if you acknowledge, as Mauler does, that comparisons to the source material is usually the best way of illustrating the structural issues that arise when you alter parts of a story while keeping other things the same, then ultimately that is basically a tacid acknowledgement of the problem with straying from source material too much in the first place - namely that, more often than not, to adapt is to essentially remove a work from the context it was created to work within only to catapult into a different context where it doesn't; and for every little change you make you further destroy the interconnected tapestry of functional parts that made it good in the first place.
@Alexander Romero
Who's "you guys"? Why would you assume that I don't??
I still think it's stupid, a different medium just has to change the source material a lot for the adaption to work in it. I agree with Destiny and MauLer that the adaptation just has to be consistent.
@@fab7423
That doesn't address the underlying criticism here - if you want your work to be considered as its own thing, then make your own thing.
It's conceited and frankly speaking completely daft to think any work can be considered in a vacuum to begin with(It can't. That's not how media engagement works. Audiences bring with them their personal history both as individuals and with art as a whole when they engage with a work), but it becomes even more daft to ask for this if an artist went out of their way to basically, in part, reproduce a work that already exists.
Adaptations are inherently not their own thing. That cannot be hand-waved away and clearly no argument was made to even attempt to address this fact.
How do you parse the statement "judge X as its own thing" when it literally isn't that? It's just meaningless wordsalad.
On top of this, the issue here isn't just one of whether you can "make it work" - obviously you can make adaptation that are "good" in some way in some possible world - the issue is 1.) It's extremely difficult, because again, a good work is a product of leveraging its unique medium of choice and because of hows its disparate parts synergize, so we probably shouldn't encourage or reward attempts that fail the overwhelming majority of the time and,
2.) What's even the point? If you had the writing or creative chops to actually pull off such a feat, how about you contribute to humanity's cultural history by making your own thing rather than adapting someone else's work? Again, it probably shouldn't be encouraged or rewarded.
Ultimately, adaptations, unless the source material was trite trash to begin with, are creatively extraneous uphill battles to realize what was 99% of the time better realized as it was expressed the first time around.
I don't see any issue with critiquing that - and indeed doing so, usually requires reference to other works - the more similar the better, which makes the original work the prime candidate.
Even if the Death Note movie was great, if it completely misses the spirit of the work it was trying to adapt, my critique would still stand -
Why oh why then would you even make a Death Note movie at that point?
It's as clearly creatively bankrupt as it is callous and opportunistic, and that remains true regardless of how good it is "on its own" by virtue of the undisputable fact that it isn't its own thing.
25:45 because they ran out of source material and a lot of characters from the books weren’t in the show so they just made up their own canon from there
People should just read the books if they’re going to talk about ASOIAF
They chose to ignore the source material in Season 5. They had two big books to adapt but mostly didn't. And when they did, that pushed the season (s6) above the rest in the latter half of the show
I can't watch this one without timestamps
As an enormous fan of Dune who liked the movie, Destiny's criticisms are spot on. Most of the visuals are pretty boring shots and the movie relies a lot on knowledge from the book being projected onto the characters without giving them much time on screen. Still don't think it was bad, there's still plenty there, but I completely see where he's coming from.
My disdain for the movie just grows by the day. I'm not impressed by Denis' visual style (man is obsessed with his dark monoliths and tracking shots), his designs are lacking character that simply drips from the book, and so much crucial thematic and character development are left out of the film. It's fitting that Destiny brought up the distinction often drawn between old scifi and newer scifi, as the obsession with aesthetics seen in new scifi is really apparent in the film. Really not looking forward to how they'll fumble the second part when they cut out all the setup to the interesting payoffs. They excised what made Dune so fascinating and meaningful for a standard scifi epic with spoopy visuals. And that's not even mentioning nearly ever character is a dry boring piece of shit. Everyone from Gurney to Piter de Vries is done dirty in the film, and the thematic content is scooped out entirely. And on the plot level, they make really big fuckups they never needed to for little reason. Such as sending Piter de Vries, a Tleilaxu creation and Harkonnen agent, to Salusa Secundus to see a legion of Sardaukhar being raised. The primary motive of House Corrino in the book is to safeguard the secret of how they raise the Sardaukhar and thus their grip on power. Count Fenring nearly considers gutting the Baron and dealing permanently with the Harkonnens when he thought the Baron was alluding to knowing something about Salusa Secundus, and the Sardaukhar attempted to genocide the Fremen when they realized how dangerous they could be. Their motive will have to be seriously retooled all because Denis wanted Piter to say 2 lines in a flat, unemotive tone. And now the perception of Dune in pop culture will for years be dominated by an unimpressive film, rather than the pillar of scifi it is. If ASoIaF got the series treatment, Dune certainly deserves it. I'm not convinced Hollywood has the balls to include half the things within the book, let alone what's in Dune Messiah. But at least it has a neat soundtrack and some decent casts.
I had no clue Destiny was this based UwU
Huh. It’s mewbslie
Destiny I love your Batman voice baby girl ❤️
I would kill to have maulers voice and accent. It sounds so smooth.
d riding
@@ZayXVII what destiny's gf does for others
Break not rules but violate assumptions
First Rags, then Mauler???
Two of my favorite people to listen to, it truly is a blessed time
Wait, has Destiny talked to Rags 1-on-1? If so plz link
Who is destiny talking to?
mauler
@@nevvy7669 thank you
Its in the title?
Not even watching the video. Like and let it run to support my boy August
Hustler right now
GOT SEASON 7 AND 8 DON'T EXIST, FORGET THEM
Also 5 and 6
@@Swatyo wrong. 5 and 6 gave 2 of the best episodes in the whole series, Hardhome and Winds of Winter. Light of the Seven OST cant be beat. Nothing good came from season 7 onwards.
With the power of AI we can fix it all
DESTINY, HOW DARE YOU COMPARE LORD OF THE RINGS TO GAME OF THRONES
One Punch Man is a 7.5/10 at best not even ONE's best work
Mauler is a dgger #confirmed
United in their shared hatred of Hasan Piker.
Daeneris sucked from Season 1.
sekiro is not a souls game REEEEEEEEEE
How does Mauler praise Infinity War and all the Tony Stark Era MCU films like their flawless masterpieces, but Interstellar is so fucking stupid he almost left the theater? I like Mauler but this shit is where he loses me. You’re telling me you’re gonna nip at things in Interstellar like the moon landing principals office thing but the vision and scarlet witch being rescued by Cap and Black Widow is fine and logical?
36:14 This is the saddest bit of Game of Thrones trivia i’ve ever heard.
The white walkers being an allegory for climate change, and how power is meaningless in a dead world, would have made GoT the DEFINING STORY OF OUR TIME. Done properly, it could have had a real impact politically, seeing as it was literally the most popular show on earth at the time.
D&D might have literally contributed to destroying the world by checking out in season 5. So yeah, thanks guys. Not only did you ruin one of the greatest stories ever written, you also squandered your opportunity to help humanity avoid an apocalypse.
Dude Maulers take on Interstellar is so boring and pedantic. How does anyone hang out with that guy...
“Elden ring worked on release”
Ha, that’s a good one XD
No it didn’t, not even close XD
We have Republicans who don’t believe we went to the moon - yes I can believe in a fictional story where THOSE people are in power and get others to believe space isn’t real while secretly nasa continues space missions
That is not so hard to fathom
The crops and the dust also aren’t hard to fathom - we have experienced such before
Interstellar is so fucking good idk how folks hate it so much even the tesseract scene via black hole while silly is playing the science of extra temporal dimensions as spatial etc it’s cool the way he tried to show it
I dunno. Some democrats don't know what a woman is. Doesn't make a world where THOSE in power get people to believe humans and other animals have same social standings any more realistic or believable.
Terrible S6 take.
I remember Patricia Taxxon made a good video debunking Mauler's CinemaSins level of analysis a long time ago. Don't know if he's improved since then, but I think I'll just skip this one nonetheless.
MauLer and friends debunked Taxxon as one of their first podcasts. idk why you'd listen to them.
That video was shit lmao
Mauler and others directly addressed that video ages ago.
@@thatdudeinthecotton They addressed it really poorly. You can find Jack Saint's long stream coverage of their coverage of Jack's and Patty's content and they pretty much destroyed EFAP's arguments. I highly recommend it and I have seen both sides cover each other so I'm not being biased.
@@duhlorean5991 the editing and out of context clips Jack and Taxxon put in the video were extremely insulting and dishonest there's no good counter to any of that shite. Not to mention the live tweeting the whole time but never coming on or after was pathetic
The first matrix is very overrated
Yikes
@@jcobleigh09 it's a 6.5/10
Your mom is very overrated
"Overrated" is a meme buzzword that's only used by people who want to have an opinion on everything and don't have anything to say.
Overrated? How?
Mauler is mega dummy cringe, but wtf what a crossover