He almost always says "the third time watching" or whatever. The hints at the amount of times he's watched what he reviews indicate he watches them. And when he doesn't finish, then he will say it or just don't mention it. He's never lied about what he's not seen 😂 he's too smart to get owned by someone who just saw something he didn't. He could never.
Actually. The biggest part of the contro was him rating movies on big platforms like IMDB based off the first 20 minutes. And he even admitted the rating could be much higher if he watched, but that's just not how he does things, so he didn't care.
@@lieutenantmoon8003 Might seem like a minor issue. And IF he was the only person doing that, then it's like. Well, whatever. But if you create a culture of this, it could have issue's within the industry. And I doubt he's the only one doing this. And what's the point of movie ratings if most of it is inaccurate. It's just kind of a very stupid thing to do. You can use whatever idiotic downplaying of other peoples feelings on the matter all you want. It's just an opinion.
The movie Adum is talking about is "One Cut of the Dead" and it is an awesome watch. Its not spoiling it to say that you have to sit through the whole film because the first 40 minutes is purposely made in a b-movie crappy way in order to fit into the whole narrative.
@@synlion Hmmm, I would call the plot dense. Kinda agree about the lack of character dev (except at the end) but I think it's only really going for character establishment since it's only a part one.
@Chockavox Fantano’s mostly good, and there’s probably not much wrong with the political positions he supports, but his socio-political and economic perceptions and analyses are extremely naïve (ex. basically buying rheotric where 75% of problems in the world are caused by corporations and their executives), and he’s come off pretty indignant defending them in the past.
@Chockavox My point exactly! Although I think I've heard some people complain that he lets those analyses seep into his reviews some times. I don't personally buy that, though -- but purely on the basis that I can't think of many examples.
@@quietman208 And he's almost exactly said stuff like "America's not actually a democracy. It's more of an oligarchy because corporate donors control everything." (ex. he said that in one of the "Cringing with Tom MacDonald" videos). On one hand, this probably isn't the most egregious opinion; but on another hand it's still some shit that I realized was wrong and dumb (at least in the sense of being egregiously hyperbolic about the state of corporate influence on policy in the US) when I grew out of my quasi-socialist phase in high school.
I, too, like to read the SparkNotes for books and then rate them based on how much "action" I imagine was in them. I am a popular critic affecting media ratings.
I disagree about Steins;Gate. The first 12 episodes are also great. Even if it's slower, the characters are interesting and fun to watch and the plot & mystery are still developed gradually and methodically.
Even if a review is really positive or so negative that the critc just stop watching the movie, it doesn't matter because only the viewer can say "l like/dislike this movie" so all this "drama" seems like just a waste of time
Pretty shocking anyone agrees. Even Destiny at the end there realizes it's a really indefensible position because movies are not like food or any other thing. He just agrees that people shouldn't get that mad about it.
@@friendlypup5650 I thought this was the whole thing, but YMS later debates a guy while Destiny moderates and even he realizes the arguments YMS uses to defend himself are pretty bad.
There are objective elements in movies that are good or bad if two identical films are made, one is consistent and doesn't contradict its narrative, message, tone, or characters and the other does then I can argue that the first is objectively better and I think it should be uphold above others that don't have does qualities, I think effort dedication skill and intelligence is worth praising more than others that lack does elements.
You are still placing subjective value on consistency of narrative, message, tone and characters. There is no objective reason why those things are important or would be better than something that is inconsistent. The same with dedication, skill and intelligence.
So if a story makes no sense because the writer is an idiot like Tommy Wiseau or Neil Breen, a movie still can work if a person in this world enjoys it? And just because something is subjective doesn't mean it's good, morals are subjective but that doesn't mean that if someone supports rape that means he should not be criticized and discouraged, we still can place objective values on subjective matters.
@@screencut4237 Believe me, I don’t like it anymore than you do, but the objective fact of the matter is that what is good ultimately comes down to personal preference. I never said something was good because it’s subjective. That doesn’t even make sense. Also sorry to say that rape is not objectively bad. It is objectively true that most people find it bad and agree it should be punishable, but that does not make it objectively bad. (OR GOOD SINCE YOU SEEM TO THINK IM SAYING THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS SUBJECTIVE ITS GOOD)
@@jimothy9943 I didn't say that rape is objectively bad what I implied is that even if movies are subjective like morals shouldn't a critic support films that have those technical things like lighting audio-editing sound mixing CGI practical effects etc. be comprehensible to the human senses and things that make a story cohesive and not contradictory should be put above others that don't so the people that make those movies would be reworded for them so they can continue making them because I'm guessing that the vast majority of people enjoy those things in movies just like the vast majority of people think that rape is bad.
@@screencut4237 “Shouldn’t a critic support films…” What a critic should and shouldn’t do is entirely subjective. You started this whole thing off by making the claim that films could be objectively better than others. THEY CANT, GET OVER IT!
He says the point of reviews is to get a barometer to be able to scale your own tastes against, but I think the point he’s missing is that some people may expect consistency between his reviews. Not finishing it is similar to watching a movie wasted drunk when you normally review sober. It’s good for content but I think it might be a little disrespectful to the people who made the movie. Assuming his videos are meant to be taken as comical reviews, and not just outright comedy. I can’t say what he’s doing is outright wrong, just maybe a little disrespectful in my opinion.
@@MenchieExtrakt thats true, but i still think it would be kind of disrespectful to give it a score without seeing it. Also it was alot better than i expected actually, im not mad i watched it or anything
This was part of my point. It’s pretty disrespectful to the moviemakers to just watch a part of their movie and then do a review on it. The worst part imo is that he rates the movies he didn’t finished. Now it doesn’t matter about whether Adum says he only watched part of the movie and that’s what the reviews reflect, a large part of his audience will only care about the score he gives the movie and base their decision on whether they watch it or not based on that score.
@@askechadd2473 he doesn’t rate the movies he didn’t finish. He rates the PART he saw. And yes, it does make a difference and the majority of his audience knows. Most of those who take any issue in this are those who don’t even watch his videos and got triggered and made assumptions based off of somebody else’s second hand tweet.
IMO it’s like saying “that music album songs” when you only heard the first two songs. Like dude... finish the damn album before you give your opinion.
YMS made some tweets in response to people who were bothered by his reviews where he hadn't fully watched the film, but still gave his impressions and a score. Then a bunch of people argued with him on Twitter and it escalated (as things do on Twitter), and then he asked for people to have a live discussion with him about it and Destiny agreed.
When he talks to Destiny about X movie and how the final act recontextualizes the entire film, he would have had no way of knowing that if he had dipped out in the first 30 minutes to an hour and written it off in a review. I don't have a huge issue with his method so long as he's transparent about leaving the movie early but the example he gave is an oxymoron if any.
You're saying this like you're adding something, but he was literally acknowledging exactly what you said- the possibility that the movie would get better if he stayed and kept watching. He's just saying that movies like that are rare.
My only issue is the IMDB problem. It's like those fuckers that give video games a 0 because it didn't have a single accessibility option for them. Like, what?
“Looking only at the score and not the full review is a dishonest thing to do and a dishonest way to approach films” is it just me or is that a little ironic?
Honestly Dune is just kind of a boring book that a lot of people read in their formative years and have kept a nostalgia boner for. Dont get me wrong, it's highly influential but other universes have picked it apart and made more interesting worlds from its pieces. People always think they're going to be the next lord of the rings when that was a complete once in a lifetime thing with a horror director being given free reign and infinite money to make his vision an uncompromised reality. The fusion of his style with the lotr universe made something better than the sum of its parts. That said, I didn't hate Dune. I think it is the best movie a faithful adaptation of the book could be(it left out the dinner scene which had some of the most interesting character parts, but that was the only glaring omission imo) but there just isn't much to work with in the book to begin with.
@@ataridc There are some good and/or interesting themes in Dune going by analyses of it which I've read or listened to. But I found the book itself rather boring and a chore to get through. I read around half of it and then couldn't finish it. I like the idea of some of the philosophical concepts from the series (specially the ones relating to free will, prescience and the interaction between the two) but the story which those ideas come packaged in was really unengaging for me.
@Ibrahim bin Norman This is the only way I got through the book. I read about half of it and put it down probably 3 or 4 times, but in audiobook format, it was more enjoyable and easier to follow. Still not the most entertaining thing ever, but I am happy I finally got through it because it was kind of a bucket list book to finish.
@Ibrahim bin Norman I like the themes of the book, and I like that there is moral ambiguity of the "hero journey" for Paul, it's just the actual things happening inside of the book are often boring to me
@Ibrahim bin Norman holy shit a fellow chad you’re the first person i’ve seen talking about the second book not talking shit about it it’s insane how everyone hates on the second book when i thought it was amazing apart from the first part i didn’t care much for that but i felt it humanized paul and really showed how he never chose to be put in the situation (huge spoiler ahead). he was in and he felt horrible for thrusting it onto his son to do what he couldn’t do and complete the "golden path"
YMS is one of those guys that talks about movies but doesn't really like them. And when I say he doesn't like them, I don't mean any specific movie, I mean movies in general. He doesn't really seem to enjoy the art form as much as he enjoys talking shit about it. I guess his name says it all.
Maybe it’s like how metal music fans seem to dislike a lot of music, but they are very passionate about music. Also, Adam watches a lot of niche movies in private. So no way he doesn’t like movie
Perhaps watch one of his yearly list videos, his analysis of Synecdoche, New York, his Oldboy YMS, or even listen to him fawn over Punch-Drunk Love or Being John Malkovich on Sardonicast. It seems you haven't really seen a wide enough breadth of his content, because he does frequently go in depth about his love of film and art.
I think it's less that he "doesn't really like movies" and it's more that he has a very particular taste in movies. Like he said in the video, he tends to have more critical reviews than someone like Chris Stuckmann. There's nothing wrong with that.
@@bryant7369 okay so it definitely doesn’t seem like he’s one of the “two worst guys to listen to movies about” then lol. Idk, maybe cause I don’t watch him much either but I imagine he just is more critical or goes more in depth about it, I know he loves Synecdoche; New York and I’ve never heard anyone describe it as anything other than a masterpiece But idk it’s the internet
How can someone watch Destiny and make these uncharitable interpretations of other people? The level of reaching you're doing is equivalent of people claiming Destiny loves child porn, incest, etc.
@@guerinbalkovec1946 I know the meme your referring to. He’s talked about this hundreds of times as to how people misconstrue what he said. You either didn’t bother looking any further than you wanted to or youre purposefully being misleading. Or both, idk
Love Adum, wanna see him more often.
He almost always says "the third time watching" or whatever. The hints at the amount of times he's watched what he reviews indicate he watches them. And when he doesn't finish, then he will say it or just don't mention it. He's never lied about what he's not seen 😂 he's too smart to get owned by someone who just saw something he didn't. He could never.
Literally the most pointless controversy I've EVER heard.
???
@@leadfaun !!!
ikr, just watch the fucking movies instead of talking about not watching them
Actually. The biggest part of the contro was him rating movies on big platforms like IMDB based off the first 20 minutes.
And he even admitted the rating could be much higher if he watched, but that's just not how he does things, so he didn't care.
@@lieutenantmoon8003 Might seem like a minor issue. And IF he was the only person doing that, then it's like. Well, whatever. But if you create a culture of this, it could have issue's within the industry. And I doubt he's the only one doing this. And what's the point of movie ratings if most of it is inaccurate. It's just kind of a very stupid thing to do. You can use whatever idiotic downplaying of other peoples feelings on the matter all you want. It's just an opinion.
The movie Adum is talking about is "One Cut of the Dead" and it is an awesome watch. Its not spoiling it to say that you have to sit through the whole film because the first 40 minutes is purposely made in a b-movie crappy way in order to fit into the whole narrative.
Even saying that is spoiling it. That film is amazing and is truly experienced having 0 prior knowledge. Just go see it
@@jamezz41 i’ll be the judge of that
Yooo thank you I was super curious about which movie he was talking about
It absolutely is a form of a spoiler. Is it a major one? Thats debatable.
This channel is better than the official destiny channel.
Who the fuck asked?
@@m.czandogg9576 nice meme my dude.
@@watcheem Genuine thanks and I legit hope you have a great day.
@@m.czandogg9576 I did.
Maybe I’m just a sucker for sci fi, but I loved dune
Yeah, Dune was amazing. Funny that Destiny loved Bladerunner but hated Dune.
@@Phisherman10 Extremely drawn out plot and almost no character development.
@@synlion Hmmm, I would call the plot dense. Kinda agree about the lack of character dev (except at the end) but I think it's only really going for character establishment since it's only a part one.
I never felt like DUNC was a long movie either
I also felt DUNE was too short but I was really hyped for the movie going in, being a fan of the books. MLADY
Adam is like an uncucked Fantano. One of the only you tubers I show my friends and they appreciate unlike Destiny.
@Chockavox Fantano’s mostly good, and there’s probably not much wrong with the political positions he supports, but his socio-political and economic perceptions and analyses are extremely naïve (ex. basically buying rheotric where 75% of problems in the world are caused by corporations and their executives), and he’s come off pretty indignant defending them in the past.
@Chockavox My point exactly! Although I think I've heard some people complain that he lets those analyses seep into his reviews some times. I don't personally buy that, though -- but purely on the basis that I can't think of many examples.
Fantanos not cucked, he just thinks white people shouldn’t say the n-word
@@quietman208 And he's almost exactly said stuff like "America's not actually a democracy. It's more of an oligarchy because corporate donors control everything." (ex. he said that in one of the "Cringing with Tom MacDonald" videos).
On one hand, this probably isn't the most egregious opinion; but on another hand it's still some shit that I realized was wrong and dumb (at least in the sense of being egregiously hyperbolic about the state of corporate influence on policy in the US) when I grew out of my quasi-socialist phase in high school.
You're just made Antknee gave your favorite artist NAV a Not Good.
I, too, like to read the SparkNotes for books and then rate them based on how much "action" I imagine was in them. I am a popular critic affecting media ratings.
Adum dominates the conversation as per usual
Destiny on Sardonicast when?
That would actually be dope.
Based
Ralph would never allow it. Guy's got a stick up his ass.
ok the conversation was exhausted after 60 seconds
I disagree about Steins;Gate. The first 12 episodes are also great. Even if it's slower, the characters are interesting and fun to watch and the plot & mystery are still developed gradually and methodically.
It's fine to be wrong
43:42 - dune
0:38 - hate movies
36:31 - Batman
Cool channel. Why aren't these clips posted officially?
Does anyone know what game he's playing?
Even if a review is really positive or so negative that the critc just stop watching the movie, it doesn't matter because only the viewer can say "l like/dislike this movie" so all this "drama" seems like just a waste of time
pretty shocking anyone disagrees with yms here
Pretty shocking anyone agrees. Even Destiny at the end there realizes it's a really indefensible position because movies are not like food or any other thing. He just agrees that people shouldn't get that mad about it.
@@user-uq4gr5nl5o there’s nothing to disagree with here. Destiny never even really pushes back
@@friendlypup5650 I thought this was the whole thing, but YMS later debates a guy while Destiny moderates and even he realizes the arguments YMS uses to defend himself are pretty bad.
@@user-uq4gr5nl5o no he doesn’t lol. He stays neutral
@@friendlypup5650 Watch the debate again. He tries to stay neutral, but even he points out those are not good arguments.
There are objective elements in movies that are good or bad if two identical films are made, one is consistent and doesn't contradict its narrative, message, tone, or characters and the other does then I can argue that the first is objectively better and I think it should be uphold above others that don't have does qualities, I think effort dedication skill and intelligence is worth praising more than others that lack does elements.
You are still placing subjective value on consistency of narrative, message, tone and characters. There is no objective reason why those things are important or would be better than something that is inconsistent. The same with dedication, skill and intelligence.
So if a story makes no sense because the writer is an idiot like Tommy Wiseau or Neil Breen, a movie still can work if a person in this world enjoys it?
And just because something is subjective doesn't mean it's good, morals are subjective but that doesn't mean that if someone supports rape that means he should not be criticized and discouraged, we still can place objective values on subjective matters.
@@screencut4237 Believe me, I don’t like it anymore than you do, but the objective fact of the matter is that what is good ultimately comes down to personal preference. I never said something was good because it’s subjective. That doesn’t even make sense. Also sorry to say that rape is not objectively bad. It is objectively true that most people find it bad and agree it should be punishable, but that does not make it objectively bad. (OR GOOD SINCE YOU SEEM TO THINK IM SAYING THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS SUBJECTIVE ITS GOOD)
@@jimothy9943 I didn't say that rape is objectively bad what I implied is that even if movies are subjective like morals shouldn't a critic support films that have those technical things like lighting audio-editing sound mixing CGI practical effects etc. be comprehensible to the human senses and things that make a story cohesive and not contradictory should be put above others that don't so the people that make those movies would be reworded for them so they can continue making them because I'm guessing that the vast majority of people enjoy those things in movies just like the vast majority of people think that rape is bad.
@@screencut4237 “Shouldn’t a critic support films…” What a critic should and shouldn’t do is entirely subjective. You started this whole thing off by making the claim that films could be objectively better than others. THEY CANT, GET OVER IT!
He says the point of reviews is to get a barometer to be able to scale your own tastes against, but I think the point he’s missing is that some people may expect consistency between his reviews. Not finishing it is similar to watching a movie wasted drunk when you normally review sober. It’s good for content but I think it might be a little disrespectful to the people who made the movie. Assuming his videos are meant to be taken as comical reviews, and not just outright comedy. I can’t say what he’s doing is outright wrong, just maybe a little disrespectful in my opinion.
But a movie like the new matrix, I don’t need to watch its entirety to know it’s just a cash grab and a boring movie
@@MenchieExtrakt thats true, but i still think it would be kind of disrespectful to give it a score without seeing it. Also it was alot better than i expected actually, im not mad i watched it or anything
This was part of my point. It’s pretty disrespectful to the moviemakers to just watch a part of their movie and then do a review on it. The worst part imo is that he rates the movies he didn’t finished. Now it doesn’t matter about whether Adum says he only watched part of the movie and that’s what the reviews reflect, a large part of his audience will only care about the score he gives the movie and base their decision on whether they watch it or not based on that score.
@@askechadd2473 he doesn’t rate the movies he didn’t finish. He rates the PART he saw. And yes, it does make a difference and the majority of his audience knows. Most of those who take any issue in this are those who don’t even watch his videos and got triggered and made assumptions based off of somebody else’s second hand tweet.
IMO it’s like saying “that music album songs” when you only heard the first two songs. Like dude... finish the damn album before you give your opinion.
Joker was the ‘80s
I’m so out of the loop, What controversy are they talking about
YMS made some tweets in response to people who were bothered by his reviews where he hadn't fully watched the film, but still gave his impressions and a score.
Then a bunch of people argued with him on Twitter and it escalated (as things do on Twitter), and then he asked for people to have a live discussion with him about it and Destiny agreed.
When he talks to Destiny about X movie and how the final act recontextualizes the entire film, he would have had no way of knowing that if he had dipped out in the first 30 minutes to an hour and written it off in a review. I don't have a huge issue with his method so long as he's transparent about leaving the movie early but the example he gave is an oxymoron if any.
You're saying this like you're adding something, but he was literally acknowledging exactly what you said- the possibility that the movie would get better if he stayed and kept watching. He's just saying that movies like that are rare.
@@debrachambers1304 Thanks Debra, cool comment!
@@DerelictCountry You're welcome, I'm glad you liked, brotha!
My only issue is the IMDB problem. It's like those fuckers that give video games a 0 because it didn't have a single accessibility option for them. Like, what?
the best in the game
Destiny is a good barometer for me for film, typically I’ll think think the exact opposite lol
Seen 20 min of adum talking. Scores of the stuff i've seen 0/100 for his corpus of work.
Fucking love Stein's Gate
YMS sounds like he's arguing against his point sometimes. He really should have just let the whole controversy die.
He should, but you underestimate how big his ego is
“Looking only at the score and not the full review is a dishonest thing to do and a dishonest way to approach films” is it just me or is that a little ironic?
I know right? Cause Adum didn’t watch the entire movie... so isn’t that a dishonest way to approach films?
@@quietman208 how is that dishonest if your being honest about your experience
@@jonafloppa8336 Because he's not being honest, he counts having watched a portion of a movie as having seen the movie.
Dune didn't make sense to me the first time. Then I watched it on acid.
Honestly Dune is just kind of a boring book that a lot of people read in their formative years and have kept a nostalgia boner for. Dont get me wrong, it's highly influential but other universes have picked it apart and made more interesting worlds from its pieces. People always think they're going to be the next lord of the rings when that was a complete once in a lifetime thing with a horror director being given free reign and infinite money to make his vision an uncompromised reality. The fusion of his style with the lotr universe made something better than the sum of its parts. That said, I didn't hate Dune. I think it is the best movie a faithful adaptation of the book could be(it left out the dinner scene which had some of the most interesting character parts, but that was the only glaring omission imo) but there just isn't much to work with in the book to begin with.
@@ataridc There are some good and/or interesting themes in Dune going by analyses of it which I've read or listened to. But I found the book itself rather boring and a chore to get through. I read around half of it and then couldn't finish it. I like the idea of some of the philosophical concepts from the series (specially the ones relating to free will, prescience and the interaction between the two) but the story which those ideas come packaged in was really unengaging for me.
@Ibrahim bin Norman This is the only way I got through the book. I read about half of it and put it down probably 3 or 4 times, but in audiobook format, it was more enjoyable and easier to follow. Still not the most entertaining thing ever, but I am happy I finally got through it because it was kind of a bucket list book to finish.
@Ibrahim bin Norman I like the themes of the book, and I like that there is moral ambiguity of the "hero journey" for Paul, it's just the actual things happening inside of the book are often boring to me
@Ibrahim bin Norman holy shit a fellow chad you’re the first person i’ve seen talking about the second book not talking shit about it it’s insane how everyone hates on the second book when i thought it was amazing apart from the first part i didn’t care much for that but i felt it humanized paul and really showed how he never chose to be put in the situation (huge spoiler ahead). he was in and he felt horrible for thrusting it onto his son to do what he couldn’t do and complete the "golden path"
When I watch his 20 min review I go off the first 2 mins and assume the rest.
There’s nothing wrong with that
So Adam doesnt review movies. He's not a reviewer. He's a critic. That's all. Problem solved.
YMS is one of those guys that talks about movies but doesn't really like them. And when I say he doesn't like them, I don't mean any specific movie, I mean movies in general. He doesn't really seem to enjoy the art form as much as he enjoys talking shit about it. I guess his name says it all.
Never got that impression at all.
Maybe it’s like how metal music fans seem to dislike a lot of music, but they are very passionate about music.
Also, Adam watches a lot of niche movies in private. So no way he doesn’t like movie
??? Have you ever seen one of his yearly list videos?
Perhaps watch one of his yearly list videos, his analysis of Synecdoche, New York, his Oldboy YMS, or even listen to him fawn over Punch-Drunk Love or Being John Malkovich on Sardonicast. It seems you haven't really seen a wide enough breadth of his content, because he does frequently go in depth about his love of film and art.
I think it's less that he "doesn't really like movies" and it's more that he has a very particular taste in movies. Like he said in the video, he tends to have more critical reviews than someone like Chris Stuckmann. There's nothing wrong with that.
The two worst guys to listen talk about movies
I still don’t understand why people hate YMS lol
@@MossFauna to me it seems like his whole thing is just disliking whatever’s popular at the time. Admittedly don’t watch him much tho
@@bryant7369 okay so it definitely doesn’t seem like he’s one of the “two worst guys to listen to movies about” then lol.
Idk, maybe cause I don’t watch him much either but I imagine he just is more critical or goes more in depth about it, I know he loves Synecdoche; New York and I’ve never heard anyone describe it as anything other than a masterpiece
But idk it’s the internet
@@bryant7369 you seem to be disliking him because he is popular because you don't even watch him lmao, pretty hypocritical
you're subscribed to sam sedar so opinion discarded
Wow, this guy doesn't even watch the movies he reviews. Why should I listen to anything he has to say?
Because he has good opinions
@@vafanapoli5396
Sometimes
50 minutes of a hack whining about being called a hack.
Destiny has terrible taste in movies and YMS sounds like a terrible movie reviewer.
Destiny needs to stop talking to the guy that defends fucking animals
He doesn’t. Try again
How can someone watch Destiny and make these uncharitable interpretations of other people? The level of reaching you're doing is equivalent of people claiming Destiny loves child porn, incest, etc.
@@liam6157 you can find messages in his own discord where he says animals can consent to sex
@@guerinbalkovec1946 I know the meme your referring to. He’s talked about this hundreds of times as to how people misconstrue what he said. You either didn’t bother looking any further than you wanted to or youre purposefully being misleading. Or both, idk
@@liam6157 let’s hear it then. I’ve been involved with the yms community for over four years though
Hated Blade Runner