War Subsidies - Victoria 2 MP In A Nutshell

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  • @Bokoen1
    @Bokoen1  2 роки тому +1783

    Kaiserball = Bavaria/ Bavaria-Bohemia
    Italyball = Venice/ Italy
    UKball = Scotland/ UK
    USAball = Whatever American Nation Jake Played lmao.

    • @Elcabezon06onxbox
      @Elcabezon06onxbox 2 роки тому +8

      Gae

    • @linkly9272
      @linkly9272 2 роки тому +45

      rilberball = rilbermany. bring in rilber. we need rilber to make it 10000% rilber win rate

    • @ИльяМоисеенко-г5л
      @ИльяМоисеенко-г5л 2 роки тому +2

      I feel poor for Jake

    • @Kalmaro4152
      @Kalmaro4152 2 роки тому +7

      God fucking damnit swimmy!
      AND GOD FUCKING DAMNIT JAKE! Just had to click the button!

    • @vladpuscasu5037
      @vladpuscasu5037 2 роки тому +13

      morball = for the morbiest morber of the morbiuses

  • @bobhuijgen884
    @bobhuijgen884 2 роки тому +875

    ISP using advanced 19th century espionage called 'stream sniping'

    • @SAndres316
      @SAndres316 2 роки тому +118

      Too bad Bo had Operation bokoenBlackScreen on stand by

    • @TempestLM
      @TempestLM 2 роки тому +4

      Gulf Stream sniping

    • @Aqueox
      @Aqueox 2 роки тому +29

      ISP ordered a Royal Navy officer and one of his underlings to sneak into Bavaria, sit on a stream next to the capital city of Bavaria, and watch Bo's palace through a telescope.
      Stream sniping, Royal Navy edition.

    • @epa901
      @epa901 2 роки тому +16

      @@Aqueox It's a shame Bo just closed the curtains.

  • @Bifurdoggo
    @Bifurdoggo 2 роки тому +810

    "You'll mobilize? For Serbia?"
    isn't that what they did IRL though lmao

    • @nickstav4779
      @nickstav4779 Рік тому +39

      Swimmy descentant of Romanovs confrimed?!?!

    • @resentfuldragon
      @resentfuldragon Рік тому +40

      to be fair I bet everyone's reaction back then was like that too.

  • @breath4255
    @breath4255 2 роки тому +2653

    Jake crashing the game after realizing he could crash the game, being told not to do it, and doing it anyway is the best part of this video

    • @TheStonedZone
      @TheStonedZone 2 роки тому +130

      Telling him not to do it probably made him want to do it even more.

    • @coneinggaming6285
      @coneinggaming6285 2 роки тому +50

      Giga chad

    • @adtopkek4826
      @adtopkek4826 2 роки тому +73

      You don't tell an American to not do something. That will just make us want to do it even more.
      How have you not learned this Europe?!

    • @theortheo2401
      @theortheo2401 Рік тому +13

      @@adtopkek4826 That explain your childlike behavior that's so prominent in your culture.

    • @tbird1991
      @tbird1991 Рік тому +26

      ​@@theortheo2401 how do you feel knowing children rule the world then

  • @teag2591
    @teag2591 2 роки тому +3230

    How is it that, without fail, every single Vic 2 episode involves Swimmy getting into a death war or otherwise fucking up his nation beyond belief

    • @Bokoen1
      @Bokoen1  2 роки тому +1197

      I'd say it's more 50/50 between him or Braun

    • @minuda
      @minuda 2 роки тому +725

      @@Bokoen1 "Fighters over I-95!"

    • @CallingSkoot
      @CallingSkoot 2 роки тому +280

      @@minuda "How the hell did they get through?!"

    • @lioninjawarloc
      @lioninjawarloc 2 роки тому +57

      THATS THE SWIMMY EXPRIENCE BABY

    • @Erfan-x8p3c
      @Erfan-x8p3c 2 роки тому +42

      Because he is sigma male.

  • @chiga3388
    @chiga3388 2 роки тому +1404

    “It quickly turned into a death war” isn’t that every Victoria video

    • @Psytinker
      @Psytinker 2 роки тому

      Real Victorian era leaders: prefer diplomacy, are shit-scared of total war and legacy of Napoleon
      Victoria 2 players: blob, mobilize, sit in mountains, build liquor factories and have three world wars before 1914
      God I hope Victoria 3 fixes this retard-fest.

    • @wetwillyis_1881
      @wetwillyis_1881 2 роки тому +31

      Bo’s Vicky videos are all a nice tea party, and then Golden opens his mouth, and then it turns into a bare knuckle boxing fight.

  • @jedor988
    @jedor988 2 роки тому +483

    "You're the new Golden"
    unnecessarily savage burn

  • @crocfighter.1322
    @crocfighter.1322 2 роки тому +2158

    Can we all take a moment to appreciate ISP's legendary shit-stirring? Truly some of the best British role play I have ever seen. To think he can do this well all without meta-allying Palden Norbu really shows how much he has improved over the series.

    • @Kandall05161
      @Kandall05161 2 роки тому

      ISP wasn't even lying, Palden was the mastermind behind the entire episode. He sent ISP the money to send to Swimmy, while also funding Golden through Bo. They got to keep a little off the top in exchange for their silence, and he got to distract every European empire while he single-handedly built the Greater Mexican Empire. Of course, his plan was foiled when Jake bricked the save by countering his colonization of the pocket dimension he created on the border, cutting off his genius plan before it got to truly take flight.

    • @MrWeeseAChine
      @MrWeeseAChine 2 роки тому +265

      ISP enabling Swimmy is my new addiction.

    • @bigboygrease5922
      @bigboygrease5922 2 роки тому +56

      He does it in every game he is in with them and I love it lmao

    • @theideaofevil
      @theideaofevil 2 роки тому

      The Vicky equivalent of seducing everyone's spouse and cucking them in ck2 🤣

    • @leonardlopez4106
      @leonardlopez4106 2 роки тому +86

      he's the instigator. Remember when he told braun he would join the great war on his side after braun picked, and then proceeded to join the other side XD

  • @steffanyschwartz7801
    @steffanyschwartz7801 2 роки тому +1739

    I see that Swimmy’s competent arc hasn’t reached Vicky.

    • @TheKing-mm4me
      @TheKing-mm4me 2 роки тому +100

      Greatness takes time

    • @sivalingampriya2526
      @sivalingampriya2526 2 роки тому +59

      You have not been keeping up with the hoi4 streams swimmy is in 7 game loosing streak

    • @TheKing-mm4me
      @TheKing-mm4me 2 роки тому +153

      @@sivalingampriya2526 greatness takes time

    • @samiamrg7
      @samiamrg7 2 роки тому +87

      It’s not even a competence problem, it’s a “being a stubborn ass” problem. He just refuses to give up on some random thing he decides to care about until he is literally forced by the game to give up.
      In Vic2, he can pretend he won by sticking to some principle even if it means his country is falling apart. In Hoi4 if you choose to die on a hill and end up losing the war you just get annexed.

    • @wotsafish2696
      @wotsafish2696 2 роки тому +39

      @@samiamrg7 in this game he literally won tho

  • @DunkTasticMan
    @DunkTasticMan 2 роки тому +692

    Victoria 2 content at last, more to binge watch.

    • @theshoe1391
      @theshoe1391 2 роки тому +4

      Cheers I'll drink to that

  • @griffinreed9005
    @griffinreed9005 2 роки тому +417

    I heard death war 5 years into the game and knew it was Golden and Swimmy. They are two polar opposites that will never be able to work together

    • @SM-ys8lw
      @SM-ys8lw 2 роки тому +28

      tbf golden didnt want to death war, swimmy forced him into it

    • @martonk
      @martonk 2 роки тому +33

      No you don’t get it: they deathwar each other all the time because they are so similar, not cuz they are opposites.

    • @yaroslavyakovlev6352
      @yaroslavyakovlev6352 Рік тому +12

      @@SM-ys8lw you REALLY should watch this stream from Swimmy`s perspective. All Swimmy lost bs is cockoen1 propaganda

    • @notme8232
      @notme8232 Рік тому +2

      ​@@yaroslavyakovlev6352The Snake of Denmark strikes again.

  • @bswurve8957
    @bswurve8957 2 роки тому +443

    Swimmy death waring in 1842. Almost beating the braun record of russia death war in 1838

  • @bruh5912
    @bruh5912 2 роки тому +663

    I love when swimmy doubles down on something. He’s willing to die for a cause even if it loses. He would have been a brave defender of Berlin if he was born earlier.

  • @KingJupiter
    @KingJupiter 2 роки тому +162

    Lead Dev here, thank you so very much for playing my mod. Itlmeans so much to me and I can imagine it means a lot to my team too.

  • @Redhead-pf8le
    @Redhead-pf8le 2 роки тому +79

    "You'll mobilize? FOR SERBIA?" Kaiser Wilhelm to Nicolas II, 1914

  • @riolkin
    @riolkin 2 роки тому +106

    "These are the Ottomans we're talking about, they are the toughest there is"
    Swimmy: Well, he's never fought me.
    "Yeah, he has."
    Swimmy: Well, he's never fought me twice.

    • @eduardomarianjel
      @eduardomarianjel 2 роки тому +12

      the man is the embodiment of the russian nation

  • @bierrollerful
    @bierrollerful 2 роки тому +416

    "Let's end this. Let's not make this any worse than it already is."
    "No, you shit talked me."
    Love how they accurately portray real life politics.

  • @mr.business5307
    @mr.business5307 2 роки тому +236

    Vic content is always interesting because it's way less predictable and way more nuanced.

    • @Volthoom
      @Volthoom 2 роки тому +42

      "less predictable" and "Swimmy" don't really fit together.

  • @polarvortex6496
    @polarvortex6496 2 роки тому +100

    Bo: “I’m subsidizing the Ottomans”
    Everyone: “I’m gonna pretend I didn’t hear that.”

  • @Regali123
    @Regali123 2 роки тому +80

    Bo was just a business man doing business

  • @ZephyrTM101
    @ZephyrTM101 2 роки тому +172

    Ngl I'm wondering why they don't make it a rule that those two can't border one another anymore because all they do is ruin themselves by killing eachother every time 🤣

    • @equilintogo5378
      @equilintogo5378 2 роки тому +56

      Because they are gonna do it anyway, border or not

    • @Soccerfandan120
      @Soccerfandan120 2 роки тому

      Because they didn't even have a border this time. It won't matter

    • @nothuman3083
      @nothuman3083 2 роки тому +33

      @@equilintogo5378 honestly I want a cold war game where it's both of them as the 2 super powers.

    • @gideonmele1556
      @gideonmele1556 2 роки тому +39

      @@nothuman3083 everyone else as secondaries trying to talk them down. That would be hilarious

    • @SM-ys8lw
      @SM-ys8lw 2 роки тому

      @@gideonmele1556 i mean, they would probably kill each other first

  • @5ertallity
    @5ertallity 2 роки тому +167

    1:49 Silly bokoen1, the Russians would never mobilize for Serbia irl, right?

    • @alect525
      @alect525 2 роки тому +25

      Franz Joseph to Kaiser Bohelm ii

  • @BeratLjumani
    @BeratLjumani 2 роки тому +96

    You all had to know setting up Swimmy as Russia and Golden as the Ottomans would mean peace was never an option.

  • @Star_moses
    @Star_moses 2 роки тому +45

    Swimmy + Death warring 5 minutes into a Victoria 2 game.
    Name a more iconic duo

    • @Bokoen1
      @Bokoen1  2 роки тому +45

      Braun and Death warring 5 minutes into a victoria 2 game

    • @maintainingBW
      @maintainingBW Рік тому

      Bo + being a lying rat

  • @arthas640
    @arthas640 2 роки тому +36

    I love this game for a million reasons but the idea of war subsidies was one of them. I routinely start backing 1 or even both sides of a war just to draw the conflict out and wear them both down. One time I got super lucky and the US went to war with the British so i backed the US and let them both tear each other apart for almost a year longer than they would have normally fought, and i did the same when Russia went to war with China. By backing both sides you allow them to conscript/draft/mobilize for longer which exhausts their precious "soldier", "officer", and "craftsmen/artisan" pops so by the time the war is over their economy is in ruins and pops are unruly compared to a swift war. I played France and within a couple decades Russia was slipping in and out of Great Power status with the Ottomans, the US's rise to superpower status was crippled, the UK was broke, and China was so weak I was chiseling off states that had 1mil+ population per province and with 2 Chinese states near the coast I corned the world market on tea and silk, plus I had substantial amounts of other resources thanks to my high tech levels and infrastructure investments, all because I bankrolled 2 pointless wars.

  • @lucifergames9936
    @lucifergames9936 2 роки тому +15

    Can't wait to see how Bo hoed Swimmy in the edits just like he did in the last Vicky game

  • @Somtaaw7
    @Somtaaw7 2 роки тому +30

    Swimmy and Golden getting into a fight. Name a more iconic combo.

  • @helwrecht1637
    @helwrecht1637 11 місяців тому +6

    Golden gaslighting harder than a camp stove

  • @tbird1991
    @tbird1991 2 роки тому +81

    Holy shit the moment I saw the title I called the plot. "Golden has to be Ottoman again and Swimmy is Russia" and I fucking called it, I'm so fucking happy I can read the plot of the show before it even happens

    • @equilintogo5378
      @equilintogo5378 2 роки тому +10

      I guess the script is too repetitive now smh my head

    • @pcu9284
      @pcu9284 2 роки тому +1

      Fr

  • @MrDMIDOV
    @MrDMIDOV 2 роки тому +7

    “You’re playing the game right now, are you enjoying it?” 💀

  • @tamimnassery6056
    @tamimnassery6056 Рік тому +8

    “You’ll mobilize, for Serbia?” The German Empire to the Russian Empire, circa 1914

  • @brix7738
    @brix7738 2 роки тому +17

    I’m convinced swimmy always plays Russia to keep the wars going for as long as possible

  • @Ninjanate898
    @Ninjanate898 2 роки тому +15

    more death wars, gotta love the old swimmy play of just throwing your men at the enemy

  • @xydyr4864
    @xydyr4864 2 роки тому +8

    1:16 "I think a country by definition has a border." pure genius.

    • @StrazdasLT
      @StrazdasLT 6 місяців тому +1

      Unfortunately there are a lot of people nowadays that think otherwise.

  • @Kalmaro4152
    @Kalmaro4152 Рік тому +4

    ISP is the best, because he just doesn't care lmao. He's there for a funny time, plus he's like a legitimately good Vic2 Player

  • @trygveplaustrum4634
    @trygveplaustrum4634 2 роки тому +28

    6:33 *Can I just say how cursed it is that Norway is labeled "Scotland" on the map?*

  • @Legion617
    @Legion617 2 роки тому +3

    Man it is cathartic as hell seeing players basically be acting like irl politicians in the most fundamental of nutshells

  • @Zeitgeist2000
    @Zeitgeist2000 Рік тому +13

    Weird how everyone is having more fun in this video than your vic 3 videos.

  • @spartandud3
    @spartandud3 2 роки тому +5

    1:48 Russia mobilizing for Serbia? I swear I've heard this one before.

  • @raikaria3090
    @raikaria3090 2 роки тому +3

    Swimmy v Golden in the same neighbourhood.
    Everyone grabs the popcorn.

  • @johnmichaelchance1151
    @johnmichaelchance1151 2 роки тому +2

    I’ve been lying in bed unable to go to sleep. So I decided to play something on UA-cam to help me fall asleep. The second I saw this I knew it would entertain me but will also help make my mind relax, so thank you.

  • @MineCartable
    @MineCartable 2 роки тому +5

    I was rooting for Swimmy in this one. I just wish his plans involved more than the immediate buttons he can click.

  • @NIkonEX-
    @NIkonEX- 2 роки тому +5

    i feel like i’ve seen this scenario played out in another vic2 video and both ottomans are golden

    • @Bokoen1
      @Bokoen1  2 роки тому +3

      It was Braun Russia

  • @LordofKings_
    @LordofKings_ Рік тому +5

    Classic ratkoen at work…

  • @heresjohnny2172
    @heresjohnny2172 2 роки тому +4

    I can't believe you made a Hanna Montana reference

  • @nathanbean8763
    @nathanbean8763 2 роки тому +3

    1:50
    “You’ll mobilize… for Serbia?!?!”
    - Anonymous, 1914

  • @crook7493
    @crook7493 2 роки тому +27

    Last vicky video swimmy was playing like real life Germany, now swimmy is playing like real life Russia

  • @parsatayebi7652
    @parsatayebi7652 2 роки тому +12

    Sanjaab in Persian means squirrel so that is literally the Empire of the Squirrels in Persia

    • @dgh6g33gf
      @dgh6g33gf 2 роки тому +3

      Ah yes, the might Persian Squirrel dynasty

  • @lexguttman
    @lexguttman 2 роки тому +3

    'Just click it guys' excellent alternate title.

  • @talosisoursavior3061
    @talosisoursavior3061 2 місяці тому +3

    golden ragequit, swimmy won golden lost

  • @peanutsplatoon9826
    @peanutsplatoon9826 2 роки тому +8

    Yet another amazing script by Bokoen1!

  • @billybob-zk9nm
    @billybob-zk9nm 2 роки тому +5

    All im saying is. Even tho swimmy death warred, still the only one part of BOBG to form Super Germany while being enemies with France, Russia and AH obv. still mad respect

  • @potato88872
    @potato88872 2 роки тому +1

    Swimy attacking
    "Wueeeeee why me under attack, I was only defending"
    Procede to go into the offensive
    "Defensive, see"

  • @MurrayC_11
    @MurrayC_11 2 роки тому +4

    “You’ll Mobilise for Serbia” love the historical accuracy

  • @davidmaroney7967
    @davidmaroney7967 2 роки тому +4

    ISP, the true mastermind when it comes to VIC2.

  • @saladbruh2625
    @saladbruh2625 2 роки тому +9

    As a Serb I have to support Swimmy on this one

  • @sauronkamidogu4826
    @sauronkamidogu4826 2 роки тому +2

    This is the most love hate friendship I've seen

    • @OnlyGrafting
      @OnlyGrafting 2 роки тому

      Watch swimmy POV and he always tries to find a way to shit on Golden when the opportunity arises.

  • @BashtorTV
    @BashtorTV 2 роки тому +15

    Russia, England, Ottomans, Germany: Dont click it.
    USA: I am clicking it and nothing wrong happened.
    *The USA has been disconnected from the game.*

  • @lemoncaketerrorist2921
    @lemoncaketerrorist2921 2 роки тому +6

    I’m convinced Bo will never upload before the sun goes down. Ratkoen strikes again!

  • @Eru-Ash
    @Eru-Ash Рік тому +1

    I don't say this lightly, or seriously, but Justice for Swimmy.

  • @kanrasama
    @kanrasama Рік тому +26

    So in this very same heavily curated Bokoen propaganda video:
    > Golden is mad because when he declared on Serbia, Swimmy answered the defensive call to arms
    > When Serbia attacked Hungary, Golden answered the defensive call to arms, but is mad because Swimmy was called in by Serbia
    Yeah, really makes me think

  • @frederickfugglesworth9877
    @frederickfugglesworth9877 11 місяців тому +1

    I used to think paradox's ai being stubborn and useless was a bug when it came to accepting they were defeated in a war. Now I have to accept its a realistic feature.

  • @albens5852
    @albens5852 2 роки тому +2

    As soon as I read death war I said to myself Golden and Swimmy. God I love those two.

  • @gavanboguszewski9835
    @gavanboguszewski9835 2 роки тому +3

    Ah Victoria 2 content, my favorite tied with hoi4 content, keep up this beauty

  • @roathrobin
    @roathrobin 2 роки тому +3

    Swimmy try not to become everybody’s enemy in Victoria 2 Challenge (100% Impossible)

  • @slythrombobules6585
    @slythrombobules6585 2 роки тому +1

    1:48 "You'll mobilize, for Serbia??" cough cough ww1 :)

  • @gideonmele1556
    @gideonmele1556 2 роки тому +1

    You know it’s going to be a good one when there’s a huge petty war within the first 10 years of the game
    Better when it’s a Golden-Swimmy moment

  • @baeryn26
    @baeryn26 2 роки тому +2

    Bavaria in ToL is crazy powerful definitely the best one to get #1 with

  • @Gabeslicor
    @Gabeslicor 2 роки тому +2

    New Vic 2 video I wonder what its gonna be about? *Swimmy's in the game* oh ok here we go.....

  • @irontemplar6222
    @irontemplar6222 Рік тому +3

    "You've been shit talking me the whole time..."
    Unless there is stuff left out of the video. This is infact a lie.

  • @kaieastwood3373
    @kaieastwood3373 2 роки тому

    I read early Game death war and just went this is Swimmy and Golden. And it was satisfying to see thw episode open with swimming talking with the Russia ball

  • @shaggybottomtext8363
    @shaggybottomtext8363 2 роки тому +1

    The politics of the Vicky 2 videos are always an enigma

  • @riccardocirielli
    @riccardocirielli 2 роки тому +1

    Swigma grindset

  • @count487
    @count487 2 роки тому

    The mod looks fun. Swimmy continues to cut off his nose to spite his face

  • @theholypotato7763
    @theholypotato7763 2 роки тому +1

    Bo awake at 5 am moment

  • @telekineticcomm
    @telekineticcomm 2 роки тому

    I finally got a hit of that sweet sweet Bokoen Victoria II content

  • @beaz3784
    @beaz3784 2 роки тому +1

    Probably the first time I was like "I want Golden to win".

  • @ScamallDorcha
    @ScamallDorcha 2 роки тому

    Really enjoyed the LARPing in this video.

  • @thesos11
    @thesos11 2 роки тому +1

    Swimmy is a definition of a meme.

  • @MekarWB
    @MekarWB 2 роки тому

    I love how I read the description and I'm like "well then Swimmy is one of those nations and Golden is the other" and first line in the video I hear Swimmy on Russia. Yep, it's over. Later Golden shows up on the Ottomans. I knew it.

  • @GeeseButLarge
    @GeeseButLarge 2 роки тому +1

    “You’ll mobilize, for Serbia?” - Austria Hungary to Russia, 1914.

  • @golgarisoul
    @golgarisoul 2 роки тому

    Ohhhh that summary at the start is getting me exited for this episode!

  • @battlefieldandcodarefun1020
    @battlefieldandcodarefun1020 2 роки тому +1

    swimmy is always joker. golden being next to swimmy was a guaranteed death war, swimmy has to death war golden every game.

  • @Event42NULL
    @Event42NULL 2 роки тому

    this is some fucken braun tier gameplay from swimmy this game

  • @munk6576
    @munk6576 2 роки тому +6

    2 minutes, and theres already 20 comments and 400 views. Notification gang rise up!

  • @Jordan-xm6wo
    @Jordan-xm6wo 2 роки тому +6

    Your “Best of Both Worlds” reference did not go unnoticed Bo!

  • @Igorilianu
    @Igorilianu 2 роки тому

    the eternal swimmy-golden war is so fun

  • @Abba_Fan
    @Abba_Fan 2 роки тому

    I love vicky2 and insta death wars, brings out the best jokes

  • @Whisk3yKnight
    @Whisk3yKnight Рік тому +7

    Please come back to good Victoria😭

  • @HansWurst1569
    @HansWurst1569 2 роки тому

    The salt in this video could fill barrels

  • @ggexploder7705
    @ggexploder7705 2 роки тому

    More victoria II content
    Reject assault tank, return to trench warfare.

  • @chookee1080
    @chookee1080 2 роки тому +1

    I read the intro and I was like: this is gonna involve Swimmy or Golden
    I didn’t think it was Swimmy and Golden

  • @YourFriendKrea
    @YourFriendKrea 2 роки тому

    Love how Scotland took Scandinavia and then became Britannia after getting shoved off the British isles lol

  • @WilliamTehConqueror
    @WilliamTehConqueror 2 роки тому +2

    There needs to be a CK game where swimmy RPs Littlefinger, I think he'd be perfect for it

  • @dasderpdood228
    @dasderpdood228 2 роки тому

    swimmy, golden, death wars...
    name a more iconic trio

  • @grant9855
    @grant9855 2 роки тому

    Man i read the summary and knew it was swimmy on russia and golden on ottomans. Really good character development. Nice writing bo.

  • @fulcrum2951
    @fulcrum2951 2 роки тому

    Swimmy tried to conduct a special military operation

  • @JD-mo9sr
    @JD-mo9sr 2 роки тому +1

    You should do a session or mod where its the Swimmy's (Supporters of Swimmy) vs. the Golden's (Supporters of Golden). I love it when the two clash and how they react differently.

  • @sahilhossain8204
    @sahilhossain8204 2 роки тому

    Hmm yes lore of Throne of Lorraine in Vic 2

  • @duwang8499
    @duwang8499 2 роки тому

    Ah I see.
    Swigma doing some Swigma grindsets on the Goldenoids again.