Winds of Winter Predictions: Shireen and Patchface
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2024
- We have had confirmation that the book-version of Shireen will suffer a tragic death along the lines of what we saw on the HBO show, but with many of the surrounding circumstances being different, how will it happen, what will it mean, and what effects will it have on the characters linked to her? Will this darkest deed of R'hllor be linked to the invasion of the Others, or Jon's resurrection perhaps? Meanwhile, Mel keeps seeing Patchface in her visions, surrounded by skulls and lips red with blood...
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Cover Art: "Patchface and Melisandre" by Solar Sea
This one is dark folks...
The night is dark and full of terrors...
Wait so your dog ate your hat so you got cornrows?
Love it!
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I would never trust Mel's interpretation of her visions. Ever. "I keep seeing Jon Snow in my flames repeatedly when I'm looking for Azor Ahai. Whatever could it possible mean???" Girl bye.
It means he's gonna shank Dany.
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@@jostockton.Shag & shank
Lol she never actually said Jon snow, she just said the word snow.
What if Patchface like Hodor has seen his own death and is trying to save Shireen when he wants her to go away with him because they both get burned
D Peach he certainly sees a lot into the future - it makes sense he would see his own death and perhaps this is the thing that sent him mad when the drowned god may have intended him to become a priest of some sort?
WDE!
He knows, he said it hi.self
If Shireen is going to be burned to resurrect Jon, one could see why HBO changed it...
They couldn't hang that on their pretty-boy hero, so they chose to hang it on Stannis and Selyse instead.
I doubt it was hbo . Dumb and dumber have shown to have little knowledge of what makes the books amazing.
............but they had him kill Daenerys 🤔 you’re obviously biased logic doesn’t quite add up there lol
@@jasonmendoza2044 Jon killing Dany is central and necessary to the main plot arc of the show, and Dany had become the villain at that point, framing it as a noble act.
How a minor character like Shireen dies isn't central to the plot at all, and she's an innocent child, not a murderous tyrant, making the situations completely different.
My comment is about a prediction made in this video: how Shireen could be sacrified to resurrect Jon in the books. And if that were to happen, it would mean the showrunners decided not to go that route for a reason, and besides my sarcastic 'pretty-boy' remark, I don't think it's illogical at all to think they wouldn't want to hang Shireen's death on Jon. He's one of the main characters and one of the "good guys."
For Shireen to die in the books the same way she did in the show, Selyse, Melisandre and Shireen would have to leave Castle Black, travel hundreds, if not thousands of miles to Winterfell in order to get to Stannis' camp. And I don't think that's happening.
Shireen is still alive and at Castle Black when Jon is stabbed to death, and Stannis' army is about to engage the Bolton army.
Human sacrifice won’t ever be heroic. It won’t help defeat the others. It’s a mislead. GRRM’s heroism is about self sacrifice. D&D we’re right not to link Shireen’s burning to Jon Snow’s resurrection.
Damn Quinn's hair looking good
Agreeeed
I think Patchface takes on the role of the jester/joker. In old days they were supposed to act as the devil's advocate for rulers, keeping their ego in check and giving perspective (Watch Joker by Alan Watts). Over the years and a few short tempered rulers, they began to veil their criticisms in humor/songs. Similarly, Patchface is doing the same but no one reads into his sayings, except those who are perceptive.
100%
Water wight!
Patchface died in the sea and the Drowned God brought him back to be his prophet. He volunteered to go to Hardhome, saying "We'll ride into the sea and out again." Whenever he talks about the sea, he means death ("under the sea, fish eat us" "under the sea, bodies fall up" etc.). So at Hardhome, going into the sea means dying and coming out means being reanimated. He may have a hand in bringing on the Long Night.
The drowned god really wants winter
That's interesting, but isn't Patchface from Volantis? If I'm not mistaken he was bought there, and the Drowned God is from the Iron Islands I don't see connection, it wouldn't make sense.
That's the most interesting aspect of Patchface: he seems to be a prophet of the Drowned God. A religion that he never followed and may not even have heard of, and which seems to have driven him mad with what he saw. I guess Cthulhu made him an offer he couldn't refuse. (Of course there's Cthulhu. That description of a sea dragon just screams it).
And "what is dead may never die, but rises harder and stronger" can only be a memory of wights. Yeah, that's why you live on your inaccessible craggy islands.
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"Feminist icon Stannis Baratheon" 😂😂
Heh heh heh
@agnat86 - i've always thought of Stannis as a progressive character, but don't think i've articulated it as well as you just did! #teamstannis
@agnat86 He also seems to be sympathetic towards the wildlings.
Also he is the only one who behaves like a king. When he meets people he tests them... and then sends them on complicated missions for the realm. The rest are just plotting to take or increase their power
He is actually quite progressive with questioning prejudices and stepping over the invisible lines they draw, like with Jon, who is a bastard, Davos who is lowborn and was for most of his life a criminal, not caring what people think of him letting his daughter be acompanioned by a mentally disabled person, listening to women, respecting other people's devotion to different causes.. . It did not help him, but he definitely is on a level with Tyrion in trying
Honestly, the more I think about Shireen's bleak future, the most upset I get about this poor little girl. I guess getting older, taking care of children and all of that amplifies the feelings, but I'm pretty sure her sacrifice will have me in tears.
Poor Shireen.
I can't even imagine Stannis, Davos and Edric Storm's reactions...
Stannis isnt caring, but he does love Shireen, no question about it
I agree w Quinn, I think the grayscale will be the reason behind Shereen's death. I think she will cause an outbreak of grayscale north just like Connington is about to cause a pandemic south, she'll be taken by the wildlings and killed and the body burned afterward but for practical reasons. I think Jon's resurrection could be happening simultaneously making the process ambiguous/unclear just like the the dragons birth was.
Malegorn: Lord Snow, who will lead this ranging?
Jon: Are you offering yourself, ser?
Malegorn: Do I look so foolish?
Patchface: I will lead it! We will march into the sea and out again. Under the waves we will ride seahorses, and mermaids will blow seashells to announce our coming, oh, oh, oh.
Paraphrasing:
Malegorn: Who will lead us from life to death and back to the living.
Jon: Would you like roll in this story, ser?
Malegorn: I am an idiot, but not that type of idiot, ser.
Patchface! I am that idiot! We will march beyond death and out again. Beyond the wall, we ride a pale horse and giant ice spiders, and our mortal enemies will blow the horn of the first man to announce our coming, oh the cumming, oh-oh-oh,
Me: What the fuck is that dude talking about this time?
Seahorses can be interpret as "ships" or "sea mounts"... And Patchface said "under the waves"...Is Patchface saw them drowning while on mission to hardhome...geezz...
"Under the waves se will ride seahorses"
Aurane Waters stole all those ships from Kings Landing and hes a bastard of House Velaryon, and its sigil is...thats right, a seahorse
I like to imagine after Quinn's puppy killed his hat LML offered to give him those sweet ass cornrows because lord knows no cosmetologists are open right now lol.
Hahaha it was just like the opening of Gin and Juice... Naw we recorded all this in Feb
In Homer's Iliad, King Agamemnon sacrifices his daughter Iphigenia to appease Artemis, change the winds and get the Greeks to Troy. When he gets back to Mycenae a decade later, Queen Clytemnestra murders him in revenge. Not an exact parallel, but close.
So Stannis might go berserk if he comes back to the wall?
@@songbird7450 If it follows the pattern, Selyse would kill him in the bath with an axe.
@@rebeccaridolfo6538 Since Selyse is at the wall, maybe the genders are swapped. Sounds like an GRRM thing to do
@@songbird7450 True! GRRM likes gender swaps and so do I. Hard to tell from the show how involved Selyse was in burning Shireen, but I bet she's gonna have a big reaction to it either way and so will Stannis (regret, guilt, shame etc)
Everyone knows patchface is pretty crazy, I have no idea why Stannis thinks he is a good playmate.
He's the one thing he has left of his parents.
Right??? "Let the lonely little girl run around with creepy! It'll be good for her"
Well, patchface is a thing of his childhood, he is crazy, but that does not mean he is automaticly a threat. Nothing ever happened so there is no reason for Stannis to be cautious of him. That would be quite predjudiced! We know he is conected with higher powers and see Mels fear of him without the trust that builds with knowing someone as harmless for years. Stannis is pragmatic, he does not believe in the badmouthing of people and for him there is no indication of Patchface beeing anything but harmless and broken. Realy up toll this point to my knowlage patchface has not done anything to earn Stannises mistrust so I would not blame him for leaving a companion of his childhood with his daughter
It might have started out of the fact that Shireen, when she showed first signs of greyscale, would have had hardly anyone willing to go near her. A crazy boy might have been "disposable" enough to give Shireen at least some company while everyone was waiting to see if the disease would go dormant.
@@Jess-yo9rt Shireen is the normal highborn in her family
Yall left us in this cold dark world! Glad you're back
Patchface is the jar jar of ASOIAF. He is the key to everything
Definitely going to be key differences from the show with the concepts covered in this vid in terms of overall semantics , where characters are and general motivations. I have been leaning towards Shireen being sacrificed for Jon for a bit now ; with Jon's resurrection in general there is going to be more cost and likely more ritual sacrifice from Mel unlike the show's more simplistic hair washing and incantation version. So Shireen is a prime candidate here for a sacrifice connected to Jon , with ample textual clues for it. Stannis i do not see being directly involved or okaying her sacrifice in any way (even if he was in close proximity which he almost certainly will not be) as he does hold value for his daughter ; Selyse on the other hand the level of fanatic she is I would think would sign off Shireen's sacrifice if its something she deems rather important to the cause (not just a weather reprieve like the show). And this likely sacrifice is surely going to have ramifications on numerous levels and a general narrative catalyst for characters / arcs around and affected by the event.
Patchface is interesting , somewhat bummed he was not in the show but in hindsight I am sure they would not have portrayed or captured him well anyway. In the books the prevalence of him in visions and another somewhat resurrected character who has prophetic / vision attributes / elements about him , does seem he has some integral role to fulfill , which may even manifest in his sacrifice. Definitely curious to see how these particular concepts play out in the books , it will be much more complex , nuanced and well thought out from GRRM compared to the show.
Thoros needed no sacrifices to bring Beric back umpteen times.
@@Paganscot i think there are a few differences there , for one Thoros resurrected Beric practically immediately after death each time which likely requires less cost / intervention , although there is surely some type of cost within Beric losing more and more of himself with each death. Catelyn required Beric giving his life to resurrect her as Lady Stoneheart after a few days had passed since she died. And as far as we are aware Mel has not done this successfully before so it would make sense for her to want to heighten her power (likely per the sacrifice) to get it done nd we do not know for sure if she is using the exact same method / spell as Thoros anyway. Ntm parts of her magic seems more tied with blood sacrifice in general with her after / coveting certain types of blood. Also as of now we do not know how long it will be between Jon's death and resurrection , where if a lot of time has elapsed between death and resurrection is at play this whole action looks a much more challenging task. Nor do we know if will cost more or less to get a soul / spirt that is in another entity (direwolf) back into their body with Ghost acting as a soul jar for Jon. I just see more variables at play and do not think it is necessarily like for like in terms of the situation or the exact magic / spell being used.
Not going to happen that way.
These are essential over the quarantine
Could it be that Patchface will go berserk when Shireen is killed, and the reason Melisandre feels so scared of him is that he will either kill her or be such a threat that she fears for her life? She said that she first learned to see danger to herself, and her intense fear/dislike of Patchface could be related to this
Definitely, I think so
I mean the blood can be Melissandres in th vision.
That whole thing about Patchface having blood on his mouth... Maybe it's about his prophecies about many people dying?
At the 4:20 mark -- I think Quinn has a point, though perhaps not in the way we think. What if Mel's visions of Patches surrounded by skulls was a hint from GRRM about who Patches is? Meaning that he's a green-seer. Mel's vision of Patches in the flames and Bran's coma vision could be interpreted as similar:
"...Many a time I have glimpsed him in my flames. Sometimes there are skulls about him..."-Mel
"There was nothing below him now but...a frozen wasteland where jagged blue-white spires of ice waited to embrace him. They flew up at him like spears. He saw the bones of a thousand other dreamers impaled upon their points..."-Bran
What Mel sees could be a reformation of what Bran saw. We know Mel seems to fear Patches because of her visions, and the only other time a fire vision scares her is the one where Bran and Bloodraven are staring back at her through the flames. Two greenseers. There's a lot more to the theory than that, too much to include in a comment, but just thought I'd mention the bits about the skulls since their possible meaning was touched upon in the video.
It's also worth noting that if this were true and Patchface stepped onto Shireen's pyre, burning a greenseer could have interesting implications for Jon's resurrection. Maybe it'll awaken the gift in Jon, similar to the Jojen paste bolstering Bran's abilities. This could be what makes Patches more significant than Stannis as Quinn suggested. We know Bran tried opening Jon's third eye while Jon was in Ghost; maybe this inadvertent sacrifice will do what Bran couldn't. Further, Jon's direwolf has red eyes, and red eyes are the mark of a greenseer. Perhaps I'm misreading things but it seems like there's been some groundwork laid here.
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Ok so this is MY prediction, or atleast how I see it happening. I think they will try to sacrifice Shireen to the Red God, but when they go looking for her she's missing. Everyone goes crazy looking for her cause they believe that if they give her to the Red God they'll be safe but, when they find her she's been drown by Patchface as a sacrifice to the Drown God. Then they'll end up sacrificing Patchface to the Red God.
Wouldn’t really follow Patchface’s character to kill off Shireen
That seems really unlikely
I don't know about drowning, but I could see Patchface trying to mercy kill Shireen so that she doesn't have to go through being burnt alive. I suppose he could try drowning her if his intent is to bring her back similar to the Iron Born drowning ceremony. Maybe he interprets "what is dead may never die" as immunity against being burnt.
On many ocassions Patchface starts a phrase with the words "under the sea" . I noticed that if you replace under the sea with Valyria it kida makes sense. But you need to iluminate us on his quotes. He is the most misterious chatacter in ASOIAF, even more misterious than Quaithe
Now do the rickon on Skagos video !
Shireen is lovable in both the books and the show...I don’t want a anything to happen to her but...
You guys should cover Hardhome. I think it will be the prologue chapter in Winds. Melisandre said none shall return from there. It seems much darker than the tv series, wildlings are eating the dead, Black fleet is broken, losing half it’s ships, the dead are in the woods and “things” are lurking in the water. It seems really ominous and creepy.
Hey, not a bad idea!
George has said that Jeyne Westerling will appear in the prologue chapter so it won't be Hardhome
@@harryobrien1547 What a shame
@@JonyTony2018 But If It was, it would've been from Tormund's POV!
@@PedroLucas-mg5je Tormund is on the wall
These videos are phenomenal, and are really helping folks through the quarantine. Thanks for the quality content, guys.
I feel that Patchface is connected to Euron in some way. All this talk about underwater beings and Euron wants to raise all sorts of creatures with his "sea of blood" plan.
Patchface is definitely connected to the drowned god. Would be funny if he killed Euron for disrespecting the drowned god
This is the one I was waiting for. Discussions about Patchface. His connections to prophecy and the deep ones. That is a plot threat I’m waiting to read
Not nearly enough material on this subject out there! Perfect for keeping me going at work thanks guys!
Thanks for all the videos I love when you two team up! I just recently found your videos and have been watching both of you guy's channels and love the theories You make my work days enjoyable!!
Patchface is frontrunner for my favorite character of all time ❤ awesome to have another episode today, thanks fellas 🤘
Holy F***ing S***, it's Quinn.
The man who predicted the downfall of GOT before it even happened. Quinn is a absolute true fan!
Lovely to have another video from you two! I definitely thought the television show story behind Stannis burning Shireen was totally lame. If he is somehow involved in the decision, then it would have to be an existential threat, like a literal attempt to save mankind from the Others, IMO. Though I won’t be surprised if he isn’t there at all either.
You have no idea how much I love that you stuck that little chibi G.R.R.M doll inside the Weirwood cup.
Glad to have you guys back I was going through vid withdrawals after that amazing March you guys provided us! Also shoutout to my boy Quinn with the fresh cornrows tho lmao.👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾
If the reader is present for the burning of Shireen, it will almost certainly be a Mel POV. Jon is dead (for now), Davos will be marshalling an army to retake the Wall and George says she's misunderstood. Well, put us in her mind and show us how she feels about killing a little girl. It has the potential to be one of the best scenes in the entire series. Or maybe the wildlings will misunderstand her burning rituals and kill Shireen because of the greyscale, which will really upset Mel. I don't think Mel will purposely kill Shireen for any reason. Even for Jon. She needs a king's blood and Mance's son (that definitely wasn't swapped with Craster's son) will probably be used to bring Jon back. but he'll be more like Lady Stoneheart than Beric. It'd be an interesting sort of irony. Two of the characters who want nothing to do with each other are now more alike than anyone else in the Seven Kingdoms. I mean, there are a hundred thousand similar people north of the Wall, but that's not the Seven Kingdoms. And if we're sticking with the last thoughts of undead characters being their motivation in their new lives, Beric hunting the Moutain, Cat's hatred of the Freys, then Jon will likely spend the remainder of his existence killing turncloaks, whipping betrayal from the face of the earth.
I got sidetracked. Sorry. I don't have any theories about Patcheface, but I think his songs and rhymes are more important than anyone realizes.
These are great guys. Not overly long and the style of the room and table are on point. Also likin the classier look. You guys have solid insight keep it up
Second queen, after Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra has an army! I hope the bit about dragons doesn't mean Dany's literal dragons are in any way involved. No Evil Dany, please!
One of my favorite aspects of this entire series is Patchface. Can't wait to see where this goes. Still hyped for TWoW TO THIS DAY!!!
You guys have motivated me to get back into making asoiaf videos so ty!
We've already seen that Beric and even Catelyn didn't require a fire and blood sacrifice. So why would Jon? I mean, is there evidence that Mel failed red priestess school? I think the burning is for Stannis. Because what else would you do when you think the most important person in the world has died? You pull out all the stops. Maybe by proxy Jon will be revived instead (bc Stannis isn't dead). Then Mel will go on thinking that Jon is Azor Ahai instead and then Stannis will come back. Very messy.
very glad you two are back with this preview thx
I hope Patchface will find a way to get Shireen or get her remains to the sea ask "The King of The Mer-People to bring her back like he did him (or so the theories say) but instead the Mer-people King does bring her back but for himself as his queen or she comes back more crazy than Patchface and Patchface and Shireen go make a life together in like some F-ed up place like Ashai or in the actual shadow.
Just a random input about this scene: In the german version the forshadowing works a little different as Snow (Jon) and snow are both written capital in german so we dont get the hint in the Mel chapter. Therfore they changed this quote to something like: every time I ask Rhollor for the king he only shows me you (to Jon Snow). Implying also she always saw him when she asks for Azor Ahai when she saw s/Snow
I looked this chapter up and it turns out it wasnt this chapter/qoute that was altered. Could be that I was misreading something but I remember beeing supprised because Mel was so direkt to Jon. If I find it I will comment the exact quote translated.
Oh, nearly forgot. One thing that made the show plot even worse is this: Stannis is desperate over a snowstorm, yes? But how can the storm be that bad if Ramsay and Twenty Good Men can set ... whatever it was on fire? A blizzard would put the fire out, no? Snow is H20, basic chemistry?
It was all terrible right there
Dont underestimate ser Twenty of the house Goodmen
So fucking happy to see this new video popped up!! Love your all’s collaborations. Keep em coming
I love the many styles of Quinn. hope ye guys are taking this pandemic on your stride and thrive. great time for reflection, introspection and changing of routines! also a great time for asoiaf content! loving every video!
Thank u 2 for making these video's. I LOVE ASOIAF content, but especially now. With the lockdown in effect, we all can use more great content like this.......😀
Thanks for keeping me entertained during the quarantine.
Man, I had a mini heart attack when a saw it first thing on notifications. Keep up with this stuff guys its unbelievable!! (Also Patchface has the most fucked up lines in the book imo and I love it)
"We'll do it live! Eff'n thing. It sucks!"
The best thing Bill ever did. ;-)
Could never get tired of you two collaborating on videos. Also, nice cornrows :D
Finally! I was starting to be worried that you had stopped this serie. Don't you dare!! I love your various insights and analysis of the books.
Great content, as always. Thanks also to give some attention to a couple of characters that are less present in the books but are as enigmatic and relevant to the story.
This is definitely my favorite format for these videos. I know you two moved... I hope it was closer together
All Patchface has to do to fulfill the "bloody lips, while surrounded by skulls" prophecy is : say the wrong thing, and get people killed.
I predict the wildlings will insist on killing Shireen (because she's infected). Melisandre will convince them to let her do it her way, to bring back jon (so she feels like she's making the best of a bad situation). I bet Selyse flips out and tries to protect her daughter, so they are burned together (echoing the 2 skulls in the heart tree that night's watch found). Then Melisandre is like "we should never tell Stannis about any of this." But patchface goes ahead and tells stannis.
I'd bet Stannis returns and intends to work with Jon to fight the Others, but because of this betrayal he just can't.
(plus, there's stinging symbolism in the way Patchface is a fool stag. So Stannis's only remaining symbol to cling to is: what a foolish baratheon he's been)
I really believe that after hearing Stannjs is dead in the pink letter(I don’t think he’s really dead)selyse it Mel will burn shireen asking to bring back azor ahai/ the prince that was promised and Jon will rise back from the dead...and that will be when Mel starts to support Jon instead of Stannis
Well maybe not, because Stannis is far from the wall and they may not be able to do that, even though it is a good idea. Most likely Shireen will be used to bring Jon back, after Melisandre confirms that he should be brought back. But she has never brought anyone back,or has nor met Beric Dondarrion so she knows that she can bring him back
Why would Melisandre support Jon over Stannis? Couldn't she see the value in both of them and value them equally?
Donald J Gump Official because Mel is a religious zealot who wholeheartedly believes that stannis is the prince that was promised/azor ahai...the moment jon comes back to life she will switch to supporting Jon.
keep this videos coming, they are awesome
Guys you make the wait on wofw worth while! Love you 2 working together. Keep up the good work!
God as a mother I dread the idea of a sacrificed Shireen. And I hope we learn more about patch face in the upcoming book. Quin did a video bout him and ever since I hope to learn more
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Quinn, I finally see your hair. You are very handsome...I thought you must be bald. LOL
Thank god you guys are back at it
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Thank god I thought y’all weren’t gonna continue this series! I’m so hype for your rickon prediction! He’s looks so bad ass in the teaser.
I always thought that the king seen by Stannis in the flames and who is turned into ashes by his fire crown, is Viserys, when Khal Drogo crowns him with melted gold. I thought Stannis and Melissandre were again misled by the flames. Doesn't it make sense?
Never considered that... Could be, but the then applies to Stannis either way
Thanks for a thought-provoking video on my favourite princess and her fool.
I absolutely love these. After these are done, I’ll be looking forward to the actual book being released and am hoping to see the 2 of you going over all of these plot lines again and comparing what you thought would happen against what actually happens in the book. I really like the chemistry between the two of you. More collaborations for you two, please!
Patchface continues to be the character that is the most interesting to me, and really MISSING him in the show.
My man Quinn looking good with the braids!
Oh shit, you thought it was over, top works ma nerds!
love you guys, thank you for the video!🥰
If Mel and the queen think Stannis is dead( from the pink letter), then they would burn the daughter to bring Stannis back to life. But as Mel is trying to bring back Azora Hi, it will be Jon who comes back to life, and Mel will finally realize who Azora Hi really is. At least that's my theory.
White Walkers already have two wights inside, Jon had two corpses brought in and had them watched but after his death there might be no one being told to watch them...
*Away, away, come with me beneath the sea, away, away, away.*
Patchface sings this to Shireen, so we can expect her death in the books to have some correlation with the Red God and/or Patchface. So, yeah I think your theory sounds about right!
The winds of winter are blowing... yaaaaaay another one!
Rewatching this playlist like I reread the books.
I need TWoWP and I need TWoW!
I cant wait for the Jon/Ghost hybrid.
Lmao I needed that Little finger joke. Great video LML and Quinn 👍
How does a Father and Mother come to gripes with murdering BY fire their only child. How.
You destroy your own life.
Extreme zealotry, essentially
I love your patchface singing voice
Just so selyse gets hers. Put her in a damn jar. Patchface has always creeped me out. Obviously important but still, skeevy.. he better mean something.
I was hoping you would wear your Patchface costume.
Great video guys👍👍👍
Nice cornrows Quinn. Getting some 90s NBA vibes... maybe Allen Iverson or even Sprewell? Now you just have to convince LML to keep growing out his hair so he can get a matching set, you know, for the symbolism.
Cornrows for the Green God!
Also, what kind of harvest can you expect from a buzz cut?
I think I speak for everyone when I say we can never have enough ASOIAF videos from you guys
Damn it Quinn, quit reminding me of Ford Perfect from the Hitch Hikers Guide movie! 😂
Shireen will die, without Stannis involvement, to bring back Jon (making more dramatic Jon's resurrection) or to do something against the Others, and probably failing, thus making Stannis miserable. Those are my guesses. I slightly prefer (1), but (2) would be eextremely bitter and sad.
Now, I'll watch the video ;)
Nice to see a new video!!
What a great Tuesday
Good episode. Nice braids Quin!
best podcast duo ever
I love this episode but one thing I think youre both over looking is that Stannis still can die in the Battle of Ice, and I would agrue it makes sense for him to.
The chain of events could be like:
-Stannis dies at Winterfell.
-The Wall gets word of their defeat.
-Seyles and Shireen get word of his death.
-Theyre both heartbroken and Seyles offer Shireen to Rhylor to ressurect their assumed Azor Ahia, Stannis
-The sacrificial ritual ressurects Jon instead
Is always the way I pictured it going.
The king being burnt by his crown that Stannis sees could be Viserys perhaps? This might be one of those instances that when people have visions like this, they can only interpret it within their context, but who's to say he was not seeing the past? Like with Melisandre, when she asks something of R'hlor, she doesn't have enough information to even understand the answer.
Other visions in the books also show things out of context, like Dany seeing the Red Wedding. She is far removed from that event and the people involved.
The Ghost of High Heart also sees the Balon Greyjoy.
I love your Patchface voice!
It really is one of the elements I am most interested in seeing with the books, what the storyline is for Stannis and Shireen because the show was complete dumpster fire rush out the door. I am wondering if we get Stannis going beyond the wall to fight the others and getting whooped. Would have loved to see Stannis go beyond the wall to prove his faith isnt a lie and walking into disaster and his full armour smashed by The Others. What if Daenerys cooks her if it literally :O
You're going too far with the predictions my friend XD
Great video, thank you. I love these discussions.
So like, we are pretty established that Melisandre *is* the same person as the woman who was around during The Dance of the Dragons, as Aemond One-Eye's mistress who called herself Alys Rivers? I mean, I guess it's a bit tenuous, but they both see visions in fires which they describe with the phrase "much and more", they both are extremely beautiful and look younger than their rumored years, and they are both powerful and feared sorceresses.
The deeper connection has to do with her knowledge concerning the power of "kingsblood" - it'd make sense for her to be the mother of a Targaryen bastard, frankly. Makes me wonder what actually ended up happening to her bastard - if he didn't die of plague as assumed. There's also the extremely intriguing fact that she'd have been the bastard sibling of two extremely significant characters in the Dance of the Dragons - Larys 'Clubfoot' Strong the master of whisperers who played both sides against the other, and Harwin 'Breakbones' Strong who was (very very likely) the true father of Rhaenyra's three children supposedly sired by Laenor 'The Fabulous' Velaryon.
There's another theory saying that Mel is the daughter of BloodRaven and Shiera Seastar!