I love how by the end of Dance the entire world is about ready to fall apart, with no Others needed. The drama in Kings Landing, the battle of Ice outside Winterfell , the battle of Fire in Mereen , the murder of Jon and the chaos that will follow afterwards at the Wall. Jon Con and fAegon tearing through Westeros....and then behind it all the Others ready to make their move. TWOW will be INSANE.
This is why I'm not salty that George is taking his time. He's one man. TWoW is juggling like five major stories at once. All of them very interesting and can go a myriad of ways.
Vicious Zero I’m worried there’s too much going on in TWOW. I don’t understand how it’s possible for all of those stories to physically fit into one book, and that’s ignoring Dany’s story in the Dothraki Sea and whatever Arya and Sansa are going to do.
@@coqui9879 Yeah, it'd be hard to see how he could fit it all in one book, let's not forget; - Bran and Blood Raven - The Night's Watch and Jon's revival - Young Grif and Jon Con's probable demise - Stannis vs Ramsey - The fall of the Frey's / Northern Conspiracy - The Dornish Plot - The battle in Meeren - Little Robin's harem - Victarion - Euron and Old Town - Cersei and her inevitable loss of control in King's Landing - Tyrian's arc - Lady Stoneheart's revenge - Arya's arc - What's up with Patchface - How Jon's parentage affects all of Westeros - And, of course, The White Walkers Etc. There's just... So much. And George says he wants it to be only one book. It best be one helluva book then because you've got all these characters in all these continents with all their schemes. AND you have to make their successes and failures between one another make perfect sense. I know there's a video trying to shave off characters logically for the next book but even then he had trouble doing so. The best way would probably be to kill off the majority of characters in the first half of the book and get the rest where they need to be. I suspect ADofS to be a full flashforward, but I wonder if that gives more or less time in the story to wrap up these plotlines. Though I am optimistic we'll get a release date by the end of the year, I'd rather he be careful not to rush all of this. This is his magnum opus after all. In the end, I don't think how long we waited mattered, but the quality of the books that will stand in the decades to come.
I think the fact that there’s so much emphasis on Jon and ghost basically being and acting as one. Jon is stated as being a pretty powerful skin changer, he’s just too busy running the wall and hanging on for dear life
Targaryen Loyalist In the real world, most idealistic revolutionaries like Robespierre, Stalin or Mao finally became a cold-blooded mass murderer due to harsh conditions of war, injustice and betrayal. Jon could go that path.
@@nont18411 it is known. and all three had strong religious ties to their domininion. stalin and robespierre catholic (stalin was georgian and they are catholic and not russian orthodox) and mao buddistic. and than they decided to be a god on earth.
now I'm picturing a white haired, red eyed Jon next to his red eyed white wolf. They look and move like one being, connected and inseperable. Whatever Jon does, Ghost complements. Jon looks like a Ghost become flesh, and his demeanor reflects the change. He has this sharpened sense about him, more composed and watchful. (the visual change would also help convince people he actually died, because you can tell something drastic changed. This is not the same man that joined the nights watch)
My theory is Mel is going to sacrifice Monster, Gillys baby The same as we're tricked into thinking (f)Arya was the important one in the Winterfell rescue (really it was Theon) we were tricked into thinking Mance son was the important one in the baby swap Why else does Gillys baby exist in the story? what role could he possibly have to play? why was Craster allowed to keep giving sons to the Others? the only reason that makes sense is Bloodraven needed one of Crasters babies himself eventually for a little magic Kill the boy, let the man be born..
sharin baratheons death is to revive jon fucking snow. no good for sure. jon snow is the big fat red herring in a song of ice and fire. and bloodraven has a treacherous nature of a bastard.
In a way, Gilly's son kinda-sorta has king's blood. Craster was pretty much the ruler of his own little faction and acted like a king, answering to no one.
I think they'll say that the baby is not Mance's and Melisandre will sacrifice Shireen for her King's blood. That will make Jon's guilt over the sacrifice really severe since he made the baby swap making Shireen the target of the sacrifice.
I like the idea of Jon with red eyes and frozen armor. That is like Ghost, and also symbolically like Dragonglass, frozen fire and all that. Cool stuff guys!
At the least Jon will be more ruthless when he returns, a piece of him will be chipped away, being murdered by his own brothers of the Night's Watch will no doubt have a profound impact and some of Ghost's wild animalistic nature may have rubbed off on him. All these factors will result in a distinct new incarnation of Jon Snow. On another note, remember in ADWD when Bran was warging Summer and meets the wolf that Varamyr Six Skins ended up in at the end of the prologue? When he locked eyes with it Bran knew that someone's mind dwelt within that wolf. By that point Varamyr was too far gone but there was still enough of a presence for Bran to notice. Moments like this further my belief in Jon residing within Ghost, and we definitely need 1 chapter from that strange PoV in TWOW.
I keep picturing a destroyed Winterfell. The dead swarm through the breaks in the millenia old walls. But they just flow around jon like the water in a river parting for a stone. The White Walkers surround him and Jon raises his sword one last time and meets ice with steel. And the Walkers kneel.
@@teese1630 Does it? Sounds more like a Davy Jones in Pirates situation "The Flying Dutchman Must Always Have a Captain." We don't have a POV for the Others, we still don't entirely understand their motivations or if they are entirely unjustified in action.
"I had bad dreams," Shireen told him. "About the dragons. They were coming to eat me". I never considered that Jon was the dragon, and that these dreams possibly foreshadowed Shireen being sacrificed to save him. I always thought if a dragon were to kill her it might be fAegon. My only question would be what other dragon is involved, because Shireen said "dragons", so there has to be one more.
I think the dragons could be a metaphor for greyscale because of the stone dragons at Dragonstone, I’m pretty sure when she says that she’s talking about those dragons. Also because in Dance Val says she thinks Shireen will die from greyscale. This could also be part of why she’s sacrificed; she’s dying anyway.
Jon's potential as a character arc stand point is truly exciting. I've enjoyed him embracing the political nuances from being pulled in different directions from stannis, the nights watch and the wildlings. When he comes back he'll be a different more aggressive man. Can't wait
And along with the hair with mixed colors, instead of red eyes, it would've be cool if Jon gains heterochromia after ressurection just like Tyrion and Shiera Seastar, one eye will stay grey but will look Ice-Blue similar to an Other while the other eye will be Targaryen purple, but it will look Fire-Red, similar to BloodRaven!
The fact that on the show he was called "The white wolf" while being king may be taken from the idea that the people will start having about him while resurrected and being in part Ghost (A white wolf), so he will be more "Stark" since he will have Wolfblood and therefore being more irrational and savage. All attributes that people in the North always liked about the Starks. On the show he was called white wolf almost without a reason, since Ghost disappears for entire seasons...
The moment I read this al those years ago, I cried... Because after Stannis, Jon's story was the most compelling to me. The 2 always in the shadow of a brother (stannis by Robert with his charmed and Jon with his Robert the heir of winterfell, while he is the bastard in the back) I truly hope Jon's ressurection will be keeping him almost exactly the same and ghost alive... After the show I thought maybe Jon will be bound to the north so his choice to stay with the wildlings is more of necessity than for will. After he completes his task he can't leave the lands of always winter.
If Jon gets resurrected through Shireen's Sacrifice, then Jon's feelings will mirror his Father Rhaegar's for Summerhall. He will become more private and withdrawn like Rhaegar was in Life.
my theory is: rhaegar was a warg as well. this was the reason of his lone travels to summerhall. so no one could be witness when he warged into somerhing like an owl.
@@anne-kathrinhohlig1466 Rhaegar’s grandmother was a Blackwood, and they’re hinted to be able to skinchange horses, which may explain Rhaegar’s sudden change from bookish dweeb to god-tier equestrian seemingly overnight
George RR Martin was so annoyed by Gandalf the White that he created Lady Stoneheart and Beric Dondarrion. Also, I don't think we'll ever get another Jon POV chapter. Unless that's why Winds is taking so long. Writing the thoughts and inner monologue of a zombie might be pretty hard.
Lord Odysseus It’s strange though, because the two characters are completely different. Not just in terms of sex and personality, but one is literally an angelic spirit in the form of a human while the other is literally just a human. So it’s not that crazy that their resurrections affect them differently.
I think people misunderstand how George feels about lotr. It seems like he enjoyed and respected those books greatly and they inspired him to defer to more darker tones and outcomes. Lotr is not without travesty, the land and people were ravaged at the end but had the leaders and knowledge to rebuild. Tolkien also had ideas for a sequel where humanity causes there downfall again but he decided to let the series rest.
I’m gonna have to disagree greatly because Jon is way to essential to not be a POV. We will get to see what being stabbed and dying then being brought back to life does to a person.
@lil crispy only scretched a bit on the neck. not more. jons ability for speaking is not in danger. he was stabbed in the belly and between the shoulder.
These videos make me drop whatever I’m doing, and I forgot how excited ASOIAF used to make me. Keep up the great work guys! I know you’re helping other fans look forward to TWOW again too. I can’t wait for the next videos!
About the looks of post-resurrection Jon. I agree that Jon's hair would most likely turn white. Besides being Ghosts counterpart, he would most definitely be called the 'White Wolf', just as Robb was called the 'Young Wolf'. Also, the Stark banner is a grey wolf on a field of white. That reverses would be a white wolf on a field of grey :)
Awesome! I really hope Jon doesn't come back the same like he did on the show. Jon has a lot of baggage and I want that to show through when he gets revived. I want a dark Jon. I also love the idea of him being a Night King. All of these people remember the last time a Targaryen was on the throne and now there's gonna be one beyond the wall.
@@wisdommanari6701 I agree, but until we get our hands on the books - then everything is just a theory. And these 2 gentlemen showcase amazing theories that are worth believing.
Ah, my favourite topic - Thank you! :) - Jon is by heritage of BOTH sides mainly a Blackwood-warg. He's a wolfman. A new edition of Bloodraven. - I wouldn't mind if Jon stayed in Ghost for a long time and turned very wolfish. He was never very comfortable around humans and might be a lot happier being extra-smart-Ghost while his corpse is preserved in an ice-cell until the wall breaks. (If Euron gets a hold on Sams Horn, it might do so very quickly) - Though it might be, that Melisandre wakes his corpse by error trying to resurrect Stannis. But as it is, I could imagine the Wildlings - and the Giant would be completely ok, if a magical direwolf led them south, to aid Stannis. As a direwolf he can go directly for Ramsey's throat without cultural niceties and speeches. - But I wondered about Arya/Nymeria when Arya was stabbed in the Show, she might run off the Faceless Men to avenge Jon, and I somehow cannot see them taking that very kindly. - I would rate it a happy ending, if Ghost and Nymeria trotted back into the deep North to their kin after the end. If by a mixture of ice and fire magic his body manages to go back to a normal non-zombie-life he might go north with Val after all is finished, but I don't think she'll survive. I like the direwolf-end best, the zombie-lovestory would be... just urgh... gross... He might need a human body for a while to deal with Daenerys and Euron (not necessarily if the later turns into Cthulhu, in that case a Jon Twoskin and a very big dragon would be best, their godly battle-magic-rage could cause Volcanos and Earthquakes and Tsunamies and break the Neck and split Westeros) but... I'm no big fan of this either. Since Daenerys already had a relationship with a man whose main vocabulary was 'No' (mind as I read it, Jon's throat was slashed and just like Stonehart he might not be able to speak without perhaps Melisandres repair-necklace. Ghost is mute, so most likely is he.) she could even build a short romance on this... but I never shipped that aunt&nephew thing. Yes, she saw a blue rose grow from an ice-cell and since it's a plant growing from an icy seed it might be tree-magic, it might be 'true life' (from frozen sperm) and it would be perfect for dynastic purposes, but Daenerys is a conqueror and no breeding mare, so... most likely not. - Though it might need a baby to make a Lord Protector Bran 'Drogon' Stark in whatever is left of King's Landing - IS there anything left?... (behold, how I wriggle and twist and salto trying to fit the Show end in my argumentation...) Hm... for making Bran Lord Protector according to medievel usances he would need to be the closest male relative... otherwise the southern Lords would never have that, their royal blood is as good and old as that of the Starks, he can't be King, unless he uses Drogon's power and reigns by terror. By the way magical first-men bloodlines: Waymar Royce seems to be a cousin of Jon and the Starks and the Blackwoods. - Houses Royce and Waynwood and Templeton are in the run for the Stark-heritage in the North according to Lady Catelyn when Robb tried to appoint an heir for the North. - Only the Targaryen and Dayne-blood ran too thin in Royce, so he was iced. And what I missed: nobody talked about Jon and cousin 'steel-skin' Sansa. Steel and Ice with fiery hairs and fiery eyes might clash and fuse rather beautifully into a next generation. - THAT might be a reason for a regent Bran Stark (AND a perfect reason for Daenerys and Sansa getting really bitchy against each other.)
Yes, I have been thinking more & more about the symbolism of The Trident River in this regard. Your question brings this to my mind again. Blue Fork, Green Fork, & Red Fork, all joining at (or near) The Ruby Ford, which is where Rhaegar Targaryen’s King’s Blood was spilt. The Ruby Ford is also just North of The Isle of Faces in The God’s Eye Lake, which is covered in Weirwood Trees. And as The Weirwood-man himself said: “Time is different for a tree than for a man. Sun and soil and water, these are the things a weirwood understands, not days and years and centuries. For men, time is a river. We are trapped in its flow, hurtling from past to present, always in the same direction. The lives of trees are different. They root and grow and die in one place, and that river does not move them. The oak is the acorn, the acorn is the oak.” -Lord Brynden Rivers (Bloodraven) “The Dragon must have three heads.” -Prince Rhaegar Targaryen The way that The Trident River is a confluence of 3 tributaries (Blue, Green, & Red Forks), Jon Snow’s resurrection could be the confluence of 3 magical forces, Blue-Ice, Green-Seer, Red-Fire Magic.
@@poseidonc1259 personally I'd prefer Jon to remain in The North till the White Walkers arrive. Who said that Fire, Green, and Ice magic won't be mixed ever again to do something even greater at the God's Eye? Like stopping the Long Night?
@@poseidonc1259 I think that Ghost, Theon/Roose and Shireen will be killed to mix Green-Seer magic (Ghost), Ice-Blue magic with someone who has king's blood/blood of the First Men (Theon or Roose) and Fire-Red magic with someone who has the blood of Old Valyria through the blood of the Demon of the Trident (Shireen) in order for Jon to be perfectly ressurrected! (What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger)
I've had the theory that Jon will come back with white hair for a while now, so I'm glad you guys agree even though it's not necessarily a big deal. A young wolfish Bloodraven with a burning sword would be awesome!
Also I think the "armored in black ice" is obsidian armor, to protect from others blades. This is why the nights watch has it so ingrained to be obsessed with wearing black. Its a survival tactic
Perhaps Jon could be like Varamyr Sixskins in the sense that his soul is divided between his own undead body and Ghost’s, and the only way to keep him from succumbing to the evil of whatever magic revives him is to keep Ghost alive to stay tethered to his soul, keeping it at least halfway in a living body, one that, while being an animal’s, is not corrupted by magic.
I feel like Jon might lose memory of his Stark siblings. It would be very heartbreaking to see a Jon Ayra reunion but Jon doesn't remember much of their past relationship.
If this happens and if, during his time inside Ghost he could've received scenes involving Rhaegar and Lyanna (if they are his real parents) with the help of Bran or BloodRaven, he might confuses Arya for Lyanna and Sansa for Ygritte!
@@justarandomgirlvx3578 yes.. but jon losing half his mind and thinking arya is lyanna and sansa as ygritte is not... not that we know of.. we don't even know if that exists.
@@justarandomgirlvx3578 Even if Martin had done the timeskip, Jon and Arya probably would still love themselves as siblings because George discarded this idea even before the first book was published!
Every rewatch is awesome, again. I love the simple fact that you two came together for the best ASOIAF-Teamup of the fandom! Positive vibes to George!!!!!!
Ghost as Jon's Soul jar-Quinn and Dave-you nailed it. And you're right This story is going to be gnarly once GRRM finishes Winds Of Winter. I still think Melisandre may sacrifice herself so Jon fulfills the prophecy. (use the breath /the fire of life resurrection. She may offer herself up instead of Shireen to ensure Jon becomes Azor Ahai). You may be right about Ghost the Wolf is sacrificed. A Jon/Ghost POV sounds light he'll level up as a warging fire/ice wight. juicy... served bloody and rare. PS: Quinn, I ordered your book. Can't wait to read it. Dave. Looking forward to reading your graphic npvel. Sorry about those inked pages were ruined. That sux!
What about Bran once he fell from the window. Bran got weaker the further he was from Summer and only recovered once summer entered the room. If Bran did flee into Summer after falling from the tower, then Jon might be able to last a long time in wolf without decaying.
I don't think he fled to Summer because we see Bran's dreams after the fall. Instead of getting a wolf POV (like we see from Varamyr) we get that 3-eyed crow dream
Great job hitting all the most anticipated concepts from TWoW and this is surely near the top for myself and many others , in terms of Jon's resurrection. Excellent ideas as always , the semantics with the resurrection are certainly up for debate , will it be Fire or Ice magic that reanimates him ? both are in close proximity and both candidates , as suggested given Jon's location in the ice cells not only does that preserve him but becomes possible for the Others to control JS' body (most likely temporarily) , Greenseer magic is also a possibility as mentioned we just have not been given resurrection evidence via that specific medium. The main determining factors will be how long in-between his death and resurrection since we know that is significant , which exact magic does it and the unprecedented element of a warg being resurrected (including how long being in Ghost). Interesting stuff , i liked the mention of Jon who is the embodiment of the ASoIaF concept if somehow he comes sort of a fire wight / ice wight hybrid or an ice body with fiery animation. So many ways it can go , I do think Jon will leave the NW post-resurrection , might be one of the few things the show got right , perhaps via Stannis' authority or Robb's will or just of his own volition. Although the show certainly got wrong the lack of personal change with Jon's resurrection , we see all instances of such occurrences there is a cost and alteration , for us its just not clear how much with the amount of time , type of magic, being a warg / warging into Ghost and even being kept in an ice cell variables factor in. I do think there will be a physical change , possibly the white hair mentioned or even red ices but personality wise from either the time elapsed , the manner and / or the interim warging i do expect a more wolfish Jon. Which could manifest as more ruthless , harsh , driven , aggressive, more alpha and even more protective of his pack. Eagerly awaiting to see how this concept plays out in the books.
I think we mights see a resurrection that combines all three types of magic. Rheagar died on the trident where the red, blue, and green fork meets, with each river probably symbolizing the three types of magic. So you could say that he was given as a sacrifice to those magic powers. It would then be cool if his son was ressurected by all of these powers combined. Maybe Melisandre will do the fire ritual by sacrificing Ghost and Shireen or something, while Bran does some crazy stuff that he doesn't have control over (possibly sacrifices Bloodraven in the process), and then at the same time the Others will try to snatch Jon's body.
@@gagstersps3 i like it , good catch with that symbolism , the three colors representing those magical types , the spot where Rhaegar died and this is Rhaegar's son we are dealing with . Jon is the embodiment of the Song of Ice & Fire with his bloodlines after all and as a warg he has old gods / Weirwoods predisposition and abilities , so he has all three elements at work already within him to a degree. Ntm being a rare warg (rare in comparison to the vast majority of characters in the universe) is already another wrinkle to this resurrection and JS being such an integral character with special bloodlines have to assume GRRM gives us something unique and different compared to the other resurrections we know about or have seen. Unlike the show resurrection i do agree it will likely be a ritual sacrifice of some kind (seemingly a fire one) given GRRM's prevalent magical cost principle that is well established in the books. Mel does seem the most likely candidate so fire wight is the most likely and she will provide the fire portion of this equation but as you say other elements / forces could converge. Maybe being temporarily wighted by the Others gives him the ice properties and Mel does the fire ritual after. Although maybe Bran or the Others are not needed to still facilitate your idea. Lets not forgot where this will be done , at the Wall , which is likely a combo of Ice magic and Weirwood / Greenseer magic already (via the CotF). The location itself could factor in with those other types of magic already at play beyond fire and again another unique aspect of resurrection occurring at one of those rare locations on Planetos with extremely heightened magic. The Wall we know has a Weirwood door (a strange anomaly at that) but there are also likely Weirwood roots and Weirwood wood used in its construction and of course looks to have some heavy Ice magic involved as well. The location itself has the multi-magic conditions already set , that coupled with his bloodlines (Ice & Fire) and warging (old gods ability) all give rise to the possibility you are suggesting with the fire aspect coming from likely a Fire magic ritual sacrifice done by a Fire magic / R'hllor priestess. You might be on to something there.
@@alexb3604 Yeah, it could very well be the wall just being a magical hinge of the world. I also believe that there is weirwood within the wall that gives it magical properties. I've also heard a theory that Mel's ritual will be at the weirwood north of the wall where Jon ans Sam said their vows, which also could include some green magic.
@@gagstersps3 possible , although I have some doubts on that one.As far as we know Mel has not successfully done this before (unless i am forgetting something) , we saw the shadow babies but i do not believe any resurrections or heard her speak of any previous ones and she has remarked that she feels more power at / on the Wall. So Mel might feel she has a better chance of success doing this at the Wall given her feeling of heightened magic and the reader knowing how special a magical location the Wall is. Ntm she is wary of , does not trust or understand the Weirwoods , she urged Jon to burn them i believe , she already had Stannis burn the godswood at Storm's End and views them as dark evil magic . She might be convinced to go to the Weirwood where they took their vows but the power she feels at the Wall and her distrust for the Weirwoods has me a bit skeptical on that one. The Wall on top of being a magical hinge seems to be a combo of Ice and Weirwood / Old gods magics via the CotF , with a Weirwood door / gate , likely Weirwood wood and roots all within it so perhaps even unknowingly she will draw upon those other magics beyond Fire during the ritual. Plus there are numerous living Weirwoods in the forests north of the Wall , including the one Sam and Jon took their vows , in fairly close proximity to the Wall so maybe the ritual would draw upon them anyway with the Wall acting in sort of a beacon type manner. Either way i still think you are on to something , the symbolism , Jon already having elements of Ice , Fire and Old gods in his blood (Targ , Stark , warging ability) , and those magical elements will all be in and around the same area ; be it a convergence of Mel, Bran and the Others or perhaps more simply Mel using fire magic in a fire ritual sacrifice at the Wall which already encompasses Ice and Old gods magic.
@@alexb3604 I definitely think that any weirwood or ice magic that gets included in the ritual will be unintentional from Mel, as she is very much is all in for Rhollor. I think that big magical events like this typically will come together seemingly by coincidence. Parts of it will be Mel trying to revive Jon with fire magic, other parts can be Bran doing some greenseer stuff at the same time. It seems to me that Martin likes to create his characters' fates by weaving together different arcs that not necessarily are contextually obvious, but make more sense on a symbolic level.
I've said it before and I'll say it again...you guys make the best colabs ever. You compliment each other so well! Neither try to over talk the other, ect. 10 out of 10!
I’m being honest when I say this; this is, in my opinion, the BEST videos for WOW! I wish you guys would do more on WOW. Maybe a dual breakdown of the released sample chapters. I’d LOVE to hear your predictions on it!!
I believe that Jon will be the future head of House Stark inverting the colors showing a white wolf on a gray field. Plus he has a valyrian steel sword fit for a Lord and according to Jojen's dream "the wolves will come again".
The lone wolfs died (Ned and Robb), but the pack (Jon, Sansa, Arya, Bran and Rickon) will survive, they have to! (And it would be cool as fuck if the white wolf on Jon's sigil has dragon wings and spit fire, making hints at his Targaryen parentage (and it would be cool if he makes a new name mixing his Targaryen-Stark lineage, like Winterfire or Firewinter with his new house's words being "The Flame That Melts The Snow"))
Yeessss this is the best video! I am convinced Jon will be rezzed with a combo of all three systems; Green, Fire and Ice. The watch will attempt to burn his body but Mel will do some fire sorcery, Bran will Greenseer from afar and the Ice resurrection will play a part. Jon will rise from the flames with wolfy vengeance, fire and ice in his eyes.
Robin Hobb had a great take on that issue (preserving human consciousness in a wolf) in her Farseer Trilogy (spoiler, but the books have been out for over 20 years) - the main character is saved from prison and potential execution by connecting with his wolf via that universe's version of warging, dying, being buried, and then having the wolf release the consciousness back into the body (can't remember the details of how it was done, it's been a while) - but what I remember, is that afterward he had to spend a substantial amount of time learning back how to be a human, basically.
Wonder if a bit of Bloodraven may end up in Jon as well. Remember the line about ALL the ravens having a shred of the singers in them. If Bloodraven has been warging Ghost, we may very well get a bit of him in this spiritual blender.
hmmm. varamyr had troubles with orells eagle. and a warg can kill a other warg when the warg lives only in his second live in the beast. so no. bloodraven cant live in jon snow.
RE: Sword lighting. Aemon left a book for Jon. A passage marked describing the characteristics of the flaming sword of Azhor. Does Beric's sword have heat? We know that Stannis' does not.
Can the others testing Waymar have anything to do with the fact that the Royces are direct descendants of First Men, like the Northmen, and have had several marriages throughout history with the Stark's "special" blood" (plus he had an amazing well made sword, but it broke)? Maybe the Walkers felt something special, alongside his brave behavior, like they did afterwards, when they possibly tested... Benjen. But what if instead they were trying to attract...Robb Stark? Maybe they captured Benjen to provoke a response and drive Robb north, like Osha said Robb should do, but he drove his sword into a lion's heart (Tywin), and so it broke. So now... a sacrifice and Azor Ahai shall be "reborn". Just a wacky theory. Don't care as much for the story focused on AA cuz I just want to be surprised by whatever/who comes but seemed kind of an interesting parallel
It would be interesting if Lady Stoneheart acts as a sort of precedent for Jon's return. I mean, the northern lords might not believe that Jon died and was brought back because of the sheer absurdity of it all, but it they meet with the walking corpse of Catelyn before that.... It could also serve as a sort of chalange for the ressurected Jon, having on one side the people that see him as a form of messiah but on the other side you have those that fear him as a second Stoneheart
And if Stoneheart crowns Jon King in the North instead of all the other Stark children (they must reunite in order for this scene to happen) in a room full of northern lords, I expect a reaction similar to when Rhaegar crowned Lyanna Queen of Love and Beauty in the Tourney of Harrenhal! (I even imagine Blackfish or Wyman Manderly having a similar reaction as Robert)
Before the final battle I want Jon to have the black Valyrian Steel Armor and say it fitted Euron who was a taller man but to Jon it felt like it was made for him. With a crown of Valyrian Steel with 8 swords, 8 obsidian jewels and Runes of the First Man inscribed in it looking not like the Winter Kings of old but the first of the New Kings of the Dawn.
This is actually really interesting I haven't really thought about how Jon will come back. I do wander if his potential chapter titles will be like Theon when he becomes Reek and essentialy lost his identity but when he found himself and discovered who he really is his chapter titles went back to being Theon and I believe the same will be with Arya when she figures out who she is.
Rewatching this podcast , david. I remember somewhere Jon reflecting that Summer was the one who saved him. And he was reflecting if a piece of bran is still there in summer, is forshadowing his own ghost in ghost. G👻 ^2
Bran's vision of the blue crystal Wall and Jon in a cold bed could refer to the ice structures (caves?) under the Wall that were used as prison cells. It is quite possible that his body was placed in one of them after his death which would preserve his body better for resurrection and he wouldn't end up like Lady Stoneheart.
Only death can pay for life. What are the odds of Jon being resurrected without Ghost being sacrificed to do so ? Ghost would still live on in Jon so that would be the saving grace.
If you pay attention, "only death can pay for life" is something that is said about blood magic. Like when Mirri maz duur says it to Dany after practicing blood magic. But there are many examples in the books of people being brought back without a sacrifice, like Beric Dondarion who was brought back repeatedly by Thoros of Mir.
Lilith Revived it seems to be a general principal of all magic, including greenseear magic and most likely ice magic if you ask me. Beric although not brought back with a traditional blood sacrifice is brought back after blood has been shed and the fact that they have a weirwood hideout means they’ve had chances to feed it some blood. My original point was what we’re the odds that ghost would survive Jon’s resurrection. Some people think Sharine will be sacrificed, some ghost, but its almost a given that something needs to be sacrificed. I don’t want it to be Ghost but it would be so impactful for the story going forward
@@PaiMeiofthelotusclan you do have a point but perhaps it is only blood that need be sacrificed. As you said Beric coming back after bloodshed. With the amount of times Jon gets stabbed I would think that he ends up shedding a lot of blood, Stark and Targaryen blood, both lines having "King's blood" which Melissandra is constantly going on about as being intensely powerful.
Lilith Revived Great point! I have to agree. It reminds me of a thought I had the other day, I was looking at Jon’s snows stabbing similar to Rob stark’s Murder, and how the terribleness of it sent reverberations through the world. Maybe Jon and stone heart can be walking “ghosts” in the classic sense because of their tragic ends. Maybe anyone who suffers a really terrible and maybe unjustly death could have the potential to be brought back to complete unfinished business
beric was a fire wight. and he says every time when he had came back lesser than before. he was also lossing everything that had made him into the man who had been known as beric dondarrion. the same with lady stoneheart. she was lost more than beric because catlyn was longer dead before the kiss of life had been offered to her.
So, listening to 16:05 I have this idea. We know that one of the biggest differences of the books and the show is the Night King, how this impersonal threat that are the others are presented as the opposite, an individual threat because of the Night King. But what if, just for the sake of theorising, is Jon the one that fullfiles that rol? The biggest opositor to the others plan, converted to one of them. Most probably not gonna happend, but is a interesting idea.
love the idea of him getting the Greenseer resurrection and just being a little bit part of the weirwood-net? the occasional “huh, that dream felt more prophetic than usual”
Jon's 'changing' appearance will take away from the fact that the whole possibility of him surviving to adulthood relied upon having the Stark look. Additionaly, as you said, Others looked for the 'Stark appearance' in Waymar, so it doesn't seem like they have some mythical abilities to discern Stark blood other then physical looks. Seems to me Jon having the Stark look is very important, it could be used in many ways (Robb's will, the Others looking for 'Stark' looking guy etc.), but the possibility of him changing that appearance is cool and hey that has happened before with Beric and LSH so who knows. P.S. I really wish you guys would dive more in Jon's story. You know, he is not the 'noble hero' boring cliche that he is in the show... This fucking guy managed to take a loan from Iron Bank, for the NW that doesn't produce ANYTHING, holds some barren lands close to the lands of always winter, which are thoroughly attacked by wildlings, and the wall itself inhabited by the lowest of men. How in the world did he pull that off
Well, that loan wasn't so hard. Nights Watch is sort of federal institution in Westeros, so there is high chance that the Iron Throne or Winterfell would pay that debt if need be, also, Tycho Nestoris wouldn't loan him money if he didn't support Stannis, after all he wants Stannis to win and pay back waaay bigger and thus way more important debt of the Iron Throne
A thought that just occurred to me: What do you think the odds are of the "hold the door" moment being part of Bran's role in Jon's resurrection through his greenseer magic? And the door Hodor is "holding" is the one between life and death / the door for Jon's soul to move back from Ghost to his own body.
@@TheBaronAmaruPhoenix I could be a million miles off with that thought but if GRRM only said Hodor = Hold The Door without anymore context for the reveal then you never know.
The only Targaryen that had white-silver hair was Aemon Targaryen, son of Jaeherys I Targaryen. Rest had mostly silvery gold. His hair would likely be like Brynden Rivers since he was albino too and a son of Targaryen and blackwood on top of that.
I think the Queen's Men will sacrifice Shireen to bring _Stannis_ back to life (Monster having either been saved by the Wildlings or revealed as a fake by Mel). But the ritual will be phrased for Azor Ahai and they'll get Jon instead.
Thanks for the excellent content both you and Quin have done an excellent job on all your videos you post. You guys got me into the books and just wanted to say thanks!
I didn't account the possibility of his hair going white and his eyes go red that would be epic :) I also have this theory that considering parallels between Jon and Sansa in last two books, and Sansa actually thinking about Jon and "ghost wolves", maybe it'd be Jon's spirit while in ghost that somehow connect with Sansa and unlock her skinchanging powers, because I think it's heavily foreshadowed that Sansa will fly. Of course it could be Bran activating her powers but I'm more geared towards Jon helping her in some way. And they haven't ever communicated on page so it would thematically have meaning if they meet on some spiritual world and reconnect.
To me I think the answer is in Jon’s arc. So far Jon has had to choose between the watch, his respect for the wildlings, and his dream of becoming Lord of Winterfell and a true Stark. In the last book we see him trying to choose all of the above following the pink letter and Jon gets killed for it. In my opinion, I see Jon having to become a member of another clan beyond the wall that is looked upon as evil: the white walkers. He will find the humanity in them and even though he doesn’t necessarily want it, Jon will have to give up the watch, the wildlings, and the Starks to save humanity. He will become a full fledged White Walker and save the seven kingdoms as a White Walker.
George had said... We will see the Lands of Always Winter... Jon and may be Bran will serve as PoVs for us for that, I suppose. Especially if Others are trying to get hold of Jon Snow's Spirit. Jon sees their culture because of this attempt of Others and is able to communicate with them, understand their language.
I think the reference to Jon in a cold bed etc is a reference to Jon's body being "stored" in the ice cells in the Wall. Other bodies that could be "resurrected" as wights have been stored there to "monitorize" them after the incident with the wights and Jeor Mormont. I think Jon should be resurrected by green magic methods and/or Melisandre magic. IIRC, Varamyr talks about how he pushes Haggon from his eagle. Maybe with the help of Melissandre or Bran or not, another skinchanger could push Jon from Ghost to his body. There are tons of possibilities :/ PD: I also think that Ghost is being warged by Bloodraven. He is wayyy toooo smart even for a magical direwolf
If Jon temporarily goes whight, and then resurrects, he may come back with some insider knowledge, like why they're doing what they're doing, how to pacify them, what their weaknesses are, etc..
Hi guys! I love your WOW Predictions. I hope you are going to make one about Sansa, Littlefinger and all the story in the Vale of Arryn. It could be interesting. Keep doing great! Thank you!
I love the idea of Ghost merging inside John after his resurrection (if Ghost’s body has to be sacrificed that is). John would be very difficult to out maneuver if he has Ghost literally sharing his scents and intuitions.
I know I’ve mentioned it once before but I am stuck on this thought that there will be fire magic playing some part in Jon being resurrected and along with being wolffish he will also begin to show signs of his dragon half. Maybe even begin having dragon dreams. Somehow his Targaryen side will reveal itself upon his resurrection and that will help him believe when he’s told about his true parentage.
@@DavidLightbringer His hair being a mix of dark-brown and silver-blonde and gaining heterochromia with an right Ice-Blue-Grey eye and a left Fire-Red-Purple eye would be a fine as hell combination!
I love how by the end of Dance the entire world is about ready to fall apart, with no Others needed. The drama in Kings Landing, the battle of Ice outside Winterfell , the battle of Fire in Mereen , the murder of Jon and the chaos that will follow afterwards at the Wall. Jon Con and fAegon tearing through Westeros....and then behind it all the Others ready to make their move.
TWOW will be INSANE.
Dan N you forgot euron and the ironborn fleet might summon krakens to try and sink oldtown
Nicholas Campbell and that! Duhhhh dan
This is why I'm not salty that George is taking his time. He's one man. TWoW is juggling like five major stories at once. All of them very interesting and can go a myriad of ways.
Vicious Zero I’m worried there’s too much going on in TWOW. I don’t understand how it’s possible for all of those stories to physically fit into one book, and that’s ignoring Dany’s story in the Dothraki Sea and whatever Arya and Sansa are going to do.
@@coqui9879 Yeah, it'd be hard to see how he could fit it all in one book, let's not forget;
- Bran and Blood Raven
- The Night's Watch and Jon's revival
- Young Grif and Jon Con's probable demise
- Stannis vs Ramsey
- The fall of the Frey's / Northern Conspiracy
- The Dornish Plot
- The battle in Meeren
- Little Robin's harem
- Victarion
- Euron and Old Town
- Cersei and her inevitable loss of control in King's Landing
- Tyrian's arc
- Lady Stoneheart's revenge
- Arya's arc
- What's up with Patchface
- How Jon's parentage affects all of Westeros
- And, of course, The White Walkers
Etc.
There's just... So much. And George says he wants it to be only one book. It best be one helluva book then because you've got all these characters in all these continents with all their schemes. AND you have to make their successes and failures between one another make perfect sense.
I know there's a video trying to shave off characters logically for the next book but even then he had trouble doing so. The best way would probably be to kill off the majority of characters in the first half of the book and get the rest where they need to be. I suspect ADofS to be a full flashforward, but I wonder if that gives more or less time in the story to wrap up these plotlines.
Though I am optimistic we'll get a release date by the end of the year, I'd rather he be careful not to rush all of this. This is his magnum opus after all. In the end, I don't think how long we waited mattered, but the quality of the books that will stand in the decades to come.
I think the fact that there’s so much emphasis on Jon and ghost basically being and acting as one. Jon is stated as being a pretty powerful skin changer, he’s just too busy running the wall and hanging on for dear life
A dark, savage and more brutal Jon chapters are going to be very entertaining to read😁God I can't wait for that book
the next big proof that jon snow is not the hero from song and legend.
Targaryen Loyalist In the real world, most idealistic revolutionaries like Robespierre, Stalin or Mao finally became a cold-blooded mass murderer due to harsh conditions of war, injustice and betrayal. Jon could go that path.
@@nont18411 it is known. and all three had strong religious ties to their domininion. stalin and robespierre catholic (stalin was georgian and they are catholic and not russian orthodox) and mao buddistic. and than they decided to be a god on earth.
@@anne-kathrinhohlig1466 Georgians are orthodox, Stalin came from an orthodox family.
@@ozthegamer6399 only the russisan minority is orthodox. and stalin was an erhical georgian not a russian.
Therapist: TeenWolf Jon isn't real. He can't hurt you.
Teen Wolf Jon: 17:37
glad someone appreciated my teenwolf jokes
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now I'm picturing a white haired, red eyed Jon next to his red eyed white wolf. They look and move like one being, connected and inseperable. Whatever Jon does, Ghost complements. Jon looks like a Ghost become flesh, and his demeanor reflects the change. He has this sharpened sense about him, more composed and watchful. (the visual change would also help convince people he actually died, because you can tell something drastic changed. This is not the same man that joined the nights watch)
That'd be so fucking badass. I'd go from Euron to Jon right away if so haha
Rosie I like the idea of a white haired red eyed Jon, Like a fucked up Geralt
ghost must die to free rhaegars spirit from the stark slavers.
White hair- like a Valyrian
There also happens to be another white haired red eyed Valyrian in the north with a first men mother too… Brynden Rivers
My theory is Mel is going to sacrifice Monster, Gillys baby
The same as we're tricked into thinking (f)Arya was the important one in the Winterfell rescue (really it was Theon) we were tricked into thinking Mance son was the important one in the baby swap
Why else does Gillys baby exist in the story? what role could he possibly have to play? why was Craster allowed to keep giving sons to the Others? the only reason that makes sense is Bloodraven needed one of Crasters babies himself eventually for a little magic
Kill the boy, let the man be born..
Well these characters of George's are humans so very different
sharin baratheons death is to revive jon fucking snow. no good for sure. jon snow is the big fat red herring in a song of ice and fire. and bloodraven has a treacherous nature of a bastard.
Big ups on this theory. Hadn’t heard it before but makes total sense.
In a way, Gilly's son kinda-sorta has king's blood. Craster was pretty much the ruler of his own little faction and acted like a king, answering to no one.
I think they'll say that the baby is not Mance's and Melisandre will sacrifice Shireen for her King's blood. That will make Jon's guilt over the sacrifice really severe since he made the baby swap making Shireen the target of the sacrifice.
I like the idea of Jon with red eyes and frozen armor. That is like Ghost, and also symbolically like Dragonglass, frozen fire and all that. Cool stuff guys!
At the least Jon will be more ruthless when he returns, a piece of him will be chipped away, being murdered by his own brothers of the Night's Watch will no doubt have a profound impact and some of Ghost's wild animalistic nature may have rubbed off on him. All these factors will result in a distinct new incarnation of Jon Snow.
On another note, remember in ADWD when Bran was warging Summer and meets the wolf that Varamyr Six Skins ended up in at the end of the prologue? When he locked eyes with it Bran knew that someone's mind dwelt within that wolf. By that point Varamyr was too far gone but there was still enough of a presence for Bran to notice. Moments like this further my belief in Jon residing within Ghost, and we definitely need 1 chapter from that strange PoV in TWOW.
Imagine if the first TWOW chapter will be "Ghost I"!
You guys are really psyching me up for The Winds of Winter.
I keep picturing a destroyed Winterfell. The dead swarm through the breaks in the millenia old walls. But they just flow around jon like the water in a river parting for a stone. The White Walkers surround him and Jon raises his sword one last time and meets ice with steel. And the Walkers kneel.
yeah baby give it to me
@@DavidLightbringer yeah but you relize this makes jon the villian
@@DavidLightbringer also bran being alive would be the oldest stark male he would be king.
@@teese1630 Does it? Sounds more like a Davy Jones in Pirates situation "The Flying Dutchman Must Always Have a Captain." We don't have a POV for the Others, we still don't entirely understand their motivations or if they are entirely unjustified in action.
@@DavidLightbringer xddddd
"I had bad dreams," Shireen told him. "About the dragons. They were coming to eat me".
I never considered that Jon was the dragon, and that these dreams possibly foreshadowed Shireen being sacrificed to save him. I always thought if a dragon were to kill her it might be fAegon. My only question would be what other dragon is involved, because Shireen said "dragons", so there has to be one more.
I honestly thought dragon was just a metaphor for fire.
I think the dragons could be a metaphor for greyscale because of the stone dragons at Dragonstone, I’m pretty sure when she says that she’s talking about those dragons. Also because in Dance Val says she thinks Shireen will die from greyscale. This could also be part of why she’s sacrificed; she’s dying anyway.
If George burns Ghost we riot.
ghost must die to free a enslaved valyrian spirit.
My thought exactly.
I have the feeling that Ghost, Theon and Shireen will be the deaths that pays for Jon's life!
@@anne-kathrinhohlig1466 Kill the wolf, let the dragon be born.
So let the boy die to let the man to live, you must let the wolf die to wake the dragon from stone?
Jon's potential as a character arc stand point is truly exciting. I've enjoyed him embracing the political nuances from being pulled in different directions from stannis, the nights watch and the wildlings. When he comes back he'll be a different more aggressive man. Can't wait
I think Jon will look more like Darkstar's opposite, his hair still mostly black but with a streak of white now present. The red eyes idea is cool.
And along with the hair with mixed colors, instead of red eyes, it would've be cool if Jon gains heterochromia after ressurection just like Tyrion and Shiera Seastar, one eye will stay grey but will look Ice-Blue similar to an Other while the other eye will be Targaryen purple, but it will look Fire-Red, similar to BloodRaven!
The fact that on the show he was called "The white wolf" while being king may be taken from the idea that the people will start having about him while resurrected and being in part Ghost (A white wolf), so he will be more "Stark" since he will have Wolfblood and therefore being more irrational and savage. All attributes that people in the North always liked about the Starks.
On the show he was called white wolf almost without a reason, since Ghost disappears for entire seasons...
The moment I read this al those years ago, I cried... Because after Stannis, Jon's story was the most compelling to me. The 2 always in the shadow of a brother (stannis by Robert with his charmed and Jon with his Robert the heir of winterfell, while he is the bastard in the back) I truly hope Jon's ressurection will be keeping him almost exactly the same and ghost alive... After the show I thought maybe Jon will be bound to the north so his choice to stay with the wildlings is more of necessity than for will. After he completes his task he can't leave the lands of always winter.
I need to see Jon go BEAST MODE Literally. Another great one Guys
I wonder if he'll hate the nightswatch or at least the ones who conspired in his death and try to kill them.
"I don't want it"
"You are my queen"
@@freshcakes1382 "I don't know what else I can say!"
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If Jon gets resurrected through Shireen's Sacrifice, then Jon's feelings will mirror his Father Rhaegar's for Summerhall. He will become more private and withdrawn like Rhaegar was in Life.
my theory is: rhaegar was a warg as well. this was the reason of his lone travels to summerhall. so no one could be witness when he warged into somerhing like an owl.
@@anne-kathrinhohlig1466 how would that happen tho
@@yungbratz561 isn't rhaegars grandmother a blackwood???
@@anne-kathrinhohlig1466 Rhaegar’s grandmother was a Blackwood, and they’re hinted to be able to skinchange horses, which may explain Rhaegar’s sudden change from bookish dweeb to god-tier equestrian seemingly overnight
@@emilybarclay8831 now I need to know what happened to Rheagar's horse on the trident
George RR Martin was so annoyed by Gandalf the White that he created Lady Stoneheart and Beric Dondarrion. Also, I don't think we'll ever get another Jon POV chapter. Unless that's why Winds is taking so long. Writing the thoughts and inner monologue of a zombie might be pretty hard.
I agree he won't be a pov anymore but I wonder who Will be the pov at the wall. In my opinion Melissandre is too powerful to be a regular pov
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It’s strange though, because the two characters are completely different. Not just in terms of sex and personality, but one is literally an angelic spirit in the form of a human while the other is literally just a human. So it’s not that crazy that their resurrections affect them differently.
I think people misunderstand how George feels about lotr. It seems like he enjoyed and respected those books greatly and they inspired him to defer to more darker tones and outcomes. Lotr is not without travesty, the land and people were ravaged at the end but had the leaders and knowledge to rebuild. Tolkien also had ideas for a sequel where humanity causes there downfall again but he decided to let the series rest.
I’m gonna have to disagree greatly because Jon is way to essential to not be a POV. We will get to see what being stabbed and dying then being brought back to life does to a person.
@lil crispy only scretched a bit on the neck. not more. jons ability for speaking is not in danger. he was stabbed in the belly and between the shoulder.
Im gonna be bummed when these are finished. You two together are the definitive ASOIAF content.
These videos make me drop whatever I’m doing, and I forgot how excited ASOIAF used to make me. Keep up the great work guys! I know you’re helping other fans look forward to TWOW again too. I can’t wait for the next videos!
About the looks of post-resurrection Jon.
I agree that Jon's hair would most likely turn white.
Besides being Ghosts counterpart, he would most definitely be called the 'White Wolf', just as Robb was called the 'Young Wolf'.
Also, the Stark banner is a grey wolf on a field of white. That reverses would be a white wolf on a field of grey :)
Ever since I heard LML hypothesize about losing Jon Snow’s POV, the concept has become my most anticipated part of the upcoming story.
Maybe when Jon awakens his eyes will be red like Ghost’s are
I’d love that. 😍😍
Awesome! I really hope Jon doesn't come back the same like he did on the show. Jon has a lot of baggage and I want that to show through when he gets revived. I want a dark Jon. I also love the idea of him being a Night King. All of these people remember the last time a Targaryen was on the throne and now there's gonna be one beyond the wall.
Freeze them alllll...~
@@darylchurch2115 - Jon on the ice dragon
He'll have to be different
@@wisdommanari6701 I agree, but until we get our hands on the books - then everything is just a theory. And these 2 gentlemen showcase amazing theories that are worth believing.
@@SUPERHONEYBUNNY jon is no ice dragon. he whines to often because its cold on the wall. he is a stark. no targaryen.
Ah, my favourite topic - Thank you! :) - Jon is by heritage of BOTH sides mainly a Blackwood-warg. He's a wolfman. A new edition of Bloodraven. - I wouldn't mind if Jon stayed in Ghost for a long time and turned very wolfish. He was never very comfortable around humans and might be a lot happier being extra-smart-Ghost while his corpse is preserved in an ice-cell until the wall breaks. (If Euron gets a hold on Sams Horn, it might do so very quickly) - Though it might be, that Melisandre wakes his corpse by error trying to resurrect Stannis. But as it is, I could imagine the Wildlings - and the Giant would be completely ok, if a magical direwolf led them south, to aid Stannis. As a direwolf he can go directly for Ramsey's throat without cultural niceties and speeches. - But I wondered about Arya/Nymeria when Arya was stabbed in the Show, she might run off the Faceless Men to avenge Jon, and I somehow cannot see them taking that very kindly. - I would rate it a happy ending, if Ghost and Nymeria trotted back into the deep North to their kin after the end.
If by a mixture of ice and fire magic his body manages to go back to a normal non-zombie-life he might go north with Val after all is finished, but I don't think she'll survive. I like the direwolf-end best, the zombie-lovestory would be... just urgh... gross...
He might need a human body for a while to deal with Daenerys and Euron (not necessarily if the later turns into Cthulhu, in that case a Jon Twoskin and a very big dragon would be best, their godly battle-magic-rage could cause Volcanos and Earthquakes and Tsunamies and break the Neck and split Westeros) but... I'm no big fan of this either.
Since Daenerys already had a relationship with a man whose main vocabulary was 'No' (mind as I read it, Jon's throat was slashed and just like Stonehart he might not be able to speak without perhaps Melisandres repair-necklace. Ghost is mute, so most likely is he.) she could even build a short romance on this... but I never shipped that aunt&nephew thing. Yes, she saw a blue rose grow from an ice-cell and since it's a plant growing from an icy seed it might be tree-magic, it might be 'true life' (from frozen sperm) and it would be perfect for dynastic purposes, but Daenerys is a conqueror and no breeding mare, so... most likely not. - Though it might need a baby to make a Lord Protector Bran 'Drogon' Stark in whatever is left of King's Landing - IS there anything left?... (behold, how I wriggle and twist and salto trying to fit the Show end in my argumentation...) Hm... for making Bran Lord Protector according to medievel usances he would need to be the closest male relative... otherwise the southern Lords would never have that, their royal blood is as good and old as that of the Starks, he can't be King, unless he uses Drogon's power and reigns by terror.
By the way magical first-men bloodlines: Waymar Royce seems to be a cousin of Jon and the Starks and the Blackwoods. - Houses Royce and Waynwood and Templeton are in the run for the Stark-heritage in the North according to Lady Catelyn when Robb tried to appoint an heir for the North. - Only the Targaryen and Dayne-blood ran too thin in Royce, so he was iced.
And what I missed: nobody talked about Jon and cousin 'steel-skin' Sansa. Steel and Ice with fiery hairs and fiery eyes might clash and fuse rather beautifully into a next generation. - THAT might be a reason for a regent Bran Stark (AND a perfect reason for Daenerys and Sansa getting really bitchy against each other.)
Can his resurrection be a combination of all three. Green magic, ice magic and fire magic
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Yes, I have been thinking more & more about the symbolism of The Trident River in this regard. Your question brings this to my mind again.
Blue Fork, Green Fork, & Red Fork, all joining at (or near) The Ruby Ford, which is where Rhaegar Targaryen’s King’s Blood was spilt. The Ruby Ford is also just North of The Isle of Faces in The God’s Eye Lake, which is covered in Weirwood Trees.
And as The Weirwood-man himself said:
“Time is different for a tree than for a man. Sun and soil and water, these are the things a weirwood understands, not days and years and centuries. For men, time is a river. We are trapped in its flow, hurtling from past to present, always in the same direction. The lives of trees are different. They root and grow and die in one place, and that river does not move them. The oak is the acorn, the acorn is the oak.”
-Lord Brynden Rivers (Bloodraven)
“The Dragon must have three heads.”
-Prince Rhaegar Targaryen
The way that The Trident River is a confluence of 3 tributaries (Blue, Green, & Red Forks), Jon Snow’s resurrection could be the confluence of 3 magical forces, Blue-Ice, Green-Seer, Red-Fire Magic.
@@poseidonc1259 personally I'd prefer Jon to remain in The North till the White Walkers arrive. Who said that Fire, Green, and Ice magic won't be mixed ever again to do something even greater at the God's Eye? Like stopping the Long Night?
A spell(song) of ice and fire
@@poseidonc1259 I think that Ghost, Theon/Roose and Shireen will be killed to mix Green-Seer magic (Ghost), Ice-Blue magic with someone who has king's blood/blood of the First Men (Theon or Roose) and Fire-Red magic with someone who has the blood of Old Valyria through the blood of the Demon of the Trident (Shireen) in order for Jon to be perfectly ressurrected! (What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger)
I was talking about this with people in chat before the livestream. Not watched yet but excited!
ASoIaF Fans: Oh boy, hopefully we'll see some TWOW this year!
Quinn and LmL: *Dropping the hottest mixtape of 2020
9:24 I thought of the HBO Direwolves as cute. But this creeps me out.
With Jon being inside Ghost when he comes back he might be more aggressive/wolf-ish which is something they’ll need when facing the long night
this is the one video i was most excited about since you guys mentioned it, thaks for the qualiti content
😄😳😭😄 so excited for Jon’s story. Btw funny editing and really freaking cool backdrop
I've had the theory that Jon will come back with white hair for a while now, so I'm glad you guys agree even though it's not necessarily a big deal. A young wolfish Bloodraven with a burning sword would be awesome!
I imagine when people die in Westeros they go (back) to the weirwood network.
I get so excited when I see you have a new ASOIAF video. Thank you so much for doing these videos. I’ve become a huge fan of you guys.
Long claw could take the heat if Jon wanted to light it on fire with his kings blood!
You could be on to something...
Also I think the "armored in black ice" is obsidian armor, to protect from others blades. This is why the nights watch has it so ingrained to be obsessed with wearing black. Its a survival tactic
About that Ghost POV... recall that Ghost is mute.
Gregory Kavivya Not entirely mute, he’s howled before
@@legbiter1462 When does Ghost howl? Which chapter?
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Brans thoughts were still given while in his wolf so why wouldn’t Jon’s?
Legbiter 14 When please. I’m not saying he didn’t. I would just like to know when it happened.
Perhaps Jon could be like Varamyr Sixskins in the sense that his soul is divided between his own undead body and Ghost’s, and the only way to keep him from succumbing to the evil of whatever magic revives him is to keep Ghost alive to stay tethered to his soul, keeping it at least halfway in a living body, one that, while being an animal’s, is not corrupted by magic.
Can I just say, your reading voice is amazing. I would Love to hear any audio book in that voice!
I feel like Jon might lose memory of his Stark siblings. It would be very heartbreaking to see a Jon Ayra reunion but Jon doesn't remember much of their past relationship.
If this happens and if, during his time inside Ghost he could've received scenes involving Rhaegar and Lyanna (if they are his real parents) with the help of Bran or BloodRaven, he might confuses Arya for Lyanna and Sansa for Ygritte!
@@PedroLucas-mg5je I think that's how GRRM intended..
I heard he wanted Jon and Arya to marry..
@@rhaevan.maniyara that was thrown away though. The time skip has been erased.
@@justarandomgirlvx3578 yes.. but jon losing half his mind and thinking arya is lyanna and sansa as ygritte is not...
not that we know of..
we don't even know if that exists.
@@justarandomgirlvx3578 Even if Martin had done the timeskip, Jon and Arya probably would still love themselves as siblings because George discarded this idea even before the first book was published!
Every rewatch is awesome, again.
I love the simple fact that you two came together for the best ASOIAF-Teamup of the fandom!
Positive vibes to George!!!!!!
if ghost burns, Im done
Ghost as Jon's Soul jar-Quinn and Dave-you nailed it. And you're right
This story is going to be gnarly once GRRM finishes Winds Of Winter.
I still think Melisandre may sacrifice herself so Jon fulfills the prophecy. (use the breath /the fire of life resurrection. She may offer herself up instead of Shireen to ensure Jon becomes Azor Ahai).
You may be right about Ghost the Wolf is sacrificed.
A Jon/Ghost POV sounds light he'll level up as a warging fire/ice wight. juicy... served bloody and rare.
PS: Quinn, I ordered your book. Can't wait to read it. Dave. Looking forward to reading your graphic npvel. Sorry about those inked pages were ruined. That sux!
What about Bran once he fell from the window. Bran got weaker the further he was from Summer and only recovered once summer entered the room. If Bran did flee into Summer after falling from the tower, then Jon might be able to last a long time in wolf without decaying.
I don't think he fled to Summer because we see Bran's dreams after the fall. Instead of getting a wolf POV (like we see from Varamyr) we get that 3-eyed crow dream
Perfect timing on the releasing of these videos.
I felt cold just listening to this...
Great job hitting all the most anticipated concepts from TWoW and this is surely near the top for myself and many others , in terms of Jon's resurrection. Excellent ideas as always , the semantics with the resurrection are certainly up for debate , will it be Fire or Ice magic that reanimates him ? both are in close proximity and both candidates , as suggested given Jon's location in the ice cells not only does that preserve him but becomes possible for the Others to control JS' body (most likely temporarily) , Greenseer magic is also a possibility as mentioned we just have not been given resurrection evidence via that specific medium. The main determining factors will be how long in-between his death and resurrection since we know that is significant , which exact magic does it and the unprecedented element of a warg being resurrected (including how long being in Ghost). Interesting stuff , i liked the mention of Jon who is the embodiment of the ASoIaF concept if somehow he comes sort of a fire wight / ice wight hybrid or an ice body with fiery animation.
So many ways it can go , I do think Jon will leave the NW post-resurrection , might be one of the few things the show got right , perhaps via Stannis' authority or Robb's will or just of his own volition. Although the show certainly got wrong the lack of personal change with Jon's resurrection , we see all instances of such occurrences there is a cost and alteration , for us its just not clear how much with the amount of time , type of magic, being a warg / warging into Ghost and even being kept in an ice cell variables factor in. I do think there will be a physical change , possibly the white hair mentioned or even red ices but personality wise from either the time elapsed , the manner and / or the interim warging i do expect a more wolfish Jon. Which could manifest as more ruthless , harsh , driven , aggressive, more alpha and even more protective of his pack. Eagerly awaiting to see how this concept plays out in the books.
I think we mights see a resurrection that combines all three types of magic. Rheagar died on the trident where the red, blue, and green fork meets, with each river probably symbolizing the three types of magic. So you could say that he was given as a sacrifice to those magic powers. It would then be cool if his son was ressurected by all of these powers combined.
Maybe Melisandre will do the fire ritual by sacrificing Ghost and Shireen or something, while Bran does some crazy stuff that he doesn't have control over (possibly sacrifices Bloodraven in the process), and then at the same time the Others will try to snatch Jon's body.
@@gagstersps3 i like it , good catch with that symbolism , the three colors representing those magical types , the spot where Rhaegar died and this is Rhaegar's son we are dealing with . Jon is the embodiment of the Song of Ice & Fire with his bloodlines after all and as a warg he has old gods / Weirwoods predisposition and abilities , so he has all three elements at work already within him to a degree. Ntm being a rare warg (rare in comparison to the vast majority of characters in the universe) is already another wrinkle to this resurrection and JS being such an integral character with special bloodlines have to assume GRRM gives us something unique and different compared to the other resurrections we know about or have seen.
Unlike the show resurrection i do agree it will likely be a ritual sacrifice of some kind (seemingly a fire one) given GRRM's prevalent magical cost principle that is well established in the books. Mel does seem the most likely candidate so fire wight is the most likely and she will provide the fire portion of this equation but as you say other elements / forces could converge. Maybe being temporarily wighted by the Others gives him the ice properties and Mel does the fire ritual after. Although maybe Bran or the Others are not needed to still facilitate your idea. Lets not forgot where this will be done , at the Wall , which is likely a combo of Ice magic and Weirwood / Greenseer magic already (via the CotF). The location itself could factor in with those other types of magic already at play beyond fire and again another unique aspect of resurrection occurring at one of those rare locations on Planetos with extremely heightened magic. The Wall we know has a Weirwood door (a strange anomaly at that) but there are also likely Weirwood roots and Weirwood wood used in its construction and of course looks to have some heavy Ice magic involved as well. The location itself has the multi-magic conditions already set , that coupled with his bloodlines (Ice & Fire) and warging (old gods ability) all give rise to the possibility you are suggesting with the fire aspect coming from likely a Fire magic ritual sacrifice done by a Fire magic / R'hllor priestess. You might be on to something there.
@@alexb3604 Yeah, it could very well be the wall just being a magical hinge of the world. I also believe that there is weirwood within the wall that gives it magical properties. I've also heard a theory that Mel's ritual will be at the weirwood north of the wall where Jon ans Sam said their vows, which also could include some green magic.
@@gagstersps3 possible , although I have some doubts on that one.As far as we know Mel has not successfully done this before (unless i am forgetting something) , we saw the shadow babies but i do not believe any resurrections or heard her speak of any previous ones and she has remarked that she feels more power at / on the Wall. So Mel might feel she has a better chance of success doing this at the Wall given her feeling of heightened magic and the reader knowing how special a magical location the Wall is.
Ntm she is wary of , does not trust or understand the Weirwoods , she urged Jon to burn them i believe , she already had Stannis burn the godswood at Storm's End and views them as dark evil magic . She might be convinced to go to the Weirwood where they took their vows but the power she feels at the Wall and her distrust for the Weirwoods has me a bit skeptical on that one. The Wall on top of being a magical hinge seems to be a combo of Ice and Weirwood / Old gods magics via the CotF , with a Weirwood door / gate , likely Weirwood wood and roots all within it so perhaps even unknowingly she will draw upon those other magics beyond Fire during the ritual. Plus there are numerous living Weirwoods in the forests north of the Wall , including the one Sam and Jon took their vows , in fairly close proximity to the Wall so maybe the ritual would draw upon them anyway with the Wall acting in sort of a beacon type manner.
Either way i still think you are on to something , the symbolism , Jon already having elements of Ice , Fire and Old gods in his blood (Targ , Stark , warging ability) , and those magical elements will all be in and around the same area ; be it a convergence of Mel, Bran and the Others or perhaps more simply Mel using fire magic in a fire ritual sacrifice at the Wall which already encompasses Ice and Old gods magic.
@@alexb3604 I definitely think that any weirwood or ice magic that gets included in the ritual will be unintentional from Mel, as she is very much is all in for Rhollor. I think that big magical events like this typically will come together seemingly by coincidence. Parts of it will be Mel trying to revive Jon with fire magic, other parts can be Bran doing some greenseer stuff at the same time. It seems to me that Martin likes to create his characters' fates by weaving together different arcs that not necessarily are contextually obvious, but make more sense on a symbolic level.
I've said it before and I'll say it again...you guys make the best colabs ever. You compliment each other so well! Neither try to over talk the other, ect. 10 out of 10!
I’m being honest when I say this; this is, in my opinion, the BEST videos for WOW! I wish you guys would do more on WOW. Maybe a dual breakdown of the released sample chapters. I’d LOVE to hear your predictions on it!!
I believe that Jon will be the future head of House Stark inverting the colors showing a white wolf on a gray field. Plus he has a valyrian steel sword fit for a Lord and according to Jojen's dream "the wolves will come again".
Winterfell belongs to Sansa, Jon said so himself.
The lone wolfs died (Ned and Robb), but the pack (Jon, Sansa, Arya, Bran and Rickon) will survive, they have to! (And it would be cool as fuck if the white wolf on Jon's sigil has dragon wings and spit fire, making hints at his Targaryen parentage (and it would be cool if he makes a new name mixing his Targaryen-Stark lineage, like Winterfire or Firewinter with his new house's words being "The Flame That Melts The Snow"))
@@kiiltochii1607 Rickon
Yeessss this is the best video! I am convinced Jon will be rezzed with a combo of all three systems; Green, Fire and Ice. The watch will attempt to burn his body but Mel will do some fire sorcery, Bran will Greenseer from afar and the Ice resurrection will play a part. Jon will rise from the flames with wolfy vengeance, fire and ice in his eyes.
My take away from all this is that Jon will be an flame proof undead flame wielding warg champion of the light who can command dragons.
10 years later and he’s still feeling the cold
The only life pays for life (bringing back the dead) has precedence in the Danny POV when the Magi brought Khal Drago back.
Robin Hobb had a great take on that issue (preserving human consciousness in a wolf) in her Farseer Trilogy (spoiler, but the books have been out for over 20 years) - the main character is saved from prison and potential execution by connecting with his wolf via that universe's version of warging, dying, being buried, and then having the wolf release the consciousness back into the body (can't remember the details of how it was done, it's been a while) - but what I remember, is that afterward he had to spend a substantial amount of time learning back how to be a human, basically.
Jon is in Ghost since 8 years now - this will be too late to get him out! ;-)
Wonder if a bit of Bloodraven may end up in Jon as well. Remember the line about ALL the ravens having a shred of the singers in them. If Bloodraven has been warging Ghost, we may very well get a bit of him in this spiritual blender.
hmmm. varamyr had troubles with orells eagle. and a warg can kill a other warg when the warg lives only in his second live in the beast. so no. bloodraven cant live in jon snow.
@@anne-kathrinhohlig1466 But I do believe that he'll be the one who reveals R+L=J to Jon while Jon is inside Ghost!
RE: Sword lighting. Aemon left a book for Jon. A passage marked describing the characteristics of the flaming sword of Azhor. Does Beric's sword have heat? We know that Stannis' does not.
Woo! Thanks guys!
Can the others testing Waymar have anything to do with the fact that the Royces are direct descendants of First Men, like the Northmen, and have had several marriages throughout history with the Stark's "special" blood" (plus he had an amazing well made sword, but it broke)? Maybe the Walkers felt something special, alongside his brave behavior, like they did afterwards, when they possibly tested... Benjen. But what if instead they were trying to attract...Robb Stark? Maybe they captured Benjen to provoke a response and drive Robb north, like Osha said Robb should do, but he drove his sword into a lion's heart (Tywin), and so it broke. So now... a sacrifice and Azor Ahai shall be "reborn".
Just a wacky theory. Don't care as much for the story focused on AA cuz I just want to be surprised by whatever/who comes but seemed kind of an interesting parallel
Considering the theory that the Starks are the "Blood of the Other"...
It would be interesting if Lady Stoneheart acts as a sort of precedent for Jon's return. I mean, the northern lords might not believe that Jon died and was brought back because of the sheer absurdity of it all, but it they meet with the walking corpse of Catelyn before that....
It could also serve as a sort of chalange for the ressurected Jon, having on one side the people that see him as a form of messiah but on the other side you have those that fear him as a second Stoneheart
And if Stoneheart crowns Jon King in the North instead of all the other Stark children (they must reunite in order for this scene to happen) in a room full of northern lords, I expect a reaction similar to when Rhaegar crowned Lyanna Queen of Love and Beauty in the Tourney of Harrenhal! (I even imagine Blackfish or Wyman Manderly having a similar reaction as Robert)
Before the final battle I want Jon to have the black Valyrian Steel Armor and say it fitted Euron who was a taller man but to Jon it felt like it was made for him. With a crown of Valyrian Steel with 8 swords, 8 obsidian jewels and Runes of the First Man inscribed in it looking not like the Winter Kings of old but the first of the New Kings of the Dawn.
This is actually really interesting I haven't really thought about how Jon will come back. I do wander if his potential chapter titles will be like Theon when he becomes Reek and essentialy lost his identity but when he found himself and discovered who he really is his chapter titles went back to being Theon and I believe the same will be with Arya when she figures out who she is.
I think that his post-resurrection's chapters' titles will be with his real name, I think it's either Aemon or Jaehaerys!
I love that theory about Coldhands and Jon! Also, a WolfJon would be so cool but losing Ghost as a constant companion/pet would be so sad 🥺🥺🥺🥺
I cannot get enough of these style videos. Excellence by you two.
if you remember the one scene tormund say jon snow die for the wildlings, similar like jesus. wonder if jon will be die for 3 days too?
Rewatching this podcast , david. I remember somewhere Jon reflecting that Summer was the one who saved him. And he was reflecting if a piece of bran is still there in summer, is forshadowing his own ghost in ghost. G👻 ^2
Oh yeah you are right about that!
A more aggressive wolf John might opt to destroy the wall for some reason in a moment of crazy wolfyness.
Bran's vision of the blue crystal Wall and Jon in a cold bed could refer to the ice structures (caves?) under the Wall that were used as prison cells. It is quite possible that his body was placed in one of them after his death which would preserve his body better for resurrection and he wouldn't end up like Lady Stoneheart.
Ion with white hair and red eyes! I love it! Great video y’all!!
Only death can pay for life. What are the odds of Jon being resurrected without Ghost being sacrificed to do so ? Ghost would still live on in Jon so that would be the saving grace.
If you pay attention, "only death can pay for life" is something that is said about blood magic. Like when Mirri maz duur says it to Dany after practicing blood magic. But there are many examples in the books of people being brought back without a sacrifice, like Beric Dondarion who was brought back repeatedly by Thoros of Mir.
Lilith Revived it seems to be a general principal of all magic, including greenseear magic and most likely ice magic if you ask me. Beric although not brought back with a traditional blood sacrifice is brought back after blood has been shed and the fact that they have a weirwood hideout means they’ve had chances to feed it some blood. My original point was what we’re the odds that ghost would survive Jon’s resurrection. Some people think Sharine will be sacrificed, some ghost, but its almost a given that something needs to be sacrificed. I don’t want it to be Ghost but it would be so impactful for the story going forward
@@PaiMeiofthelotusclan you do have a point but perhaps it is only blood that need be sacrificed. As you said Beric coming back after bloodshed. With the amount of times Jon gets stabbed I would think that he ends up shedding a lot of blood, Stark and Targaryen blood, both lines having "King's blood" which Melissandra is constantly going on about as being intensely powerful.
Lilith Revived Great point! I have to agree. It reminds me of a thought I had the other day, I was looking at Jon’s snows stabbing similar to Rob stark’s Murder, and how the terribleness of it sent reverberations through the world. Maybe Jon and stone heart can be walking “ghosts” in the classic sense because of their tragic ends. Maybe anyone who suffers a really terrible and maybe unjustly death could have the potential to be brought back to complete unfinished business
beric was a fire wight. and he says every time when he had came back lesser than before. he was also lossing everything that had made him into the man who had been known as beric dondarrion. the same with lady stoneheart. she was lost more than beric because catlyn was longer dead before the kiss of life had been offered to her.
I loved the predictions and you two have great chemistry. Also, the visuals were bomb and hilarious!
So, listening to 16:05 I have this idea. We know that one of the biggest differences of the books and the show is the Night King, how this impersonal threat that are the others are presented as the opposite, an individual threat because of the Night King. But what if, just for the sake of theorising, is Jon the one that fullfiles that rol? The biggest opositor to the others plan, converted to one of them.
Most probably not gonna happend, but is a interesting idea.
No, I think that Euron will fullfill this role.
Jon's death is similar to Robb's death. Robb's last words are 'Grey wind'
love the idea of him getting the Greenseer resurrection and just being a little bit part of the weirwood-net? the occasional “huh, that dream felt more prophetic than usual”
Whatever happens to Jon, I just hope that he'll still be Jon at heart.
Jon's 'changing' appearance will take away from the fact that the whole possibility of him surviving to adulthood relied upon having the Stark look. Additionaly, as you said, Others looked for the 'Stark appearance' in Waymar, so it doesn't seem like they have some mythical abilities to discern Stark blood other then physical looks. Seems to me Jon having the Stark look is very important, it could be used in many ways (Robb's will, the Others looking for 'Stark' looking guy etc.), but the possibility of him changing that appearance is cool and hey that has happened before with Beric and LSH so who knows.
P.S. I really wish you guys would dive more in Jon's story. You know, he is not the 'noble hero' boring cliche that he is in the show... This fucking guy managed to take a loan from Iron Bank, for the NW that doesn't produce ANYTHING, holds some barren lands close to the lands of always winter, which are thoroughly attacked by wildlings, and the wall itself inhabited by the lowest of men. How in the world did he pull that off
The Royces are direct descendants of the First Men, maybe that's why they tested him
Well, that loan wasn't so hard. Nights Watch is sort of federal institution in Westeros, so there is high chance that the Iron Throne or Winterfell would pay that debt if need be, also, Tycho Nestoris wouldn't loan him money if he didn't support Stannis, after all he wants Stannis to win and pay back waaay bigger and thus way more important debt of the Iron Throne
I'd like to see that. Jon coming back with white hair and red eyes like Ghost. I just don't want Ghost to have to die for it to happen...😢
A thought that just occurred to me:
What do you think the odds are of the "hold the door" moment being part of Bran's role in Jon's resurrection through his greenseer magic? And the door Hodor is "holding" is the one between life and death / the door for Jon's soul to move back from Ghost to his own body.
Shannon0893 holy shit wowwwww
@@TheBaronAmaruPhoenix I could be a million miles off with that thought but if GRRM only said Hodor = Hold The Door without anymore context for the reveal then you never know.
"Could he be the frozen one?" Underrated line.
"The frozen one to bring balance to Westeros and destroy the Others" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😝
I love the idea of Jon's hair turning white like a Targaryen. I hadn't thought of that
The only Targaryen that had white-silver hair was Aemon Targaryen, son of Jaeherys I Targaryen. Rest had mostly silvery gold. His hair would likely be like Brynden Rivers since he was albino too and a son of Targaryen and blackwood on top of that.
"Lady stone hearts eyes are red berrics eyes are red" Lml's eyes are red 😆 you guys are awesome.
It might be that Stark Blood prevents the loss of sentience that Ice-Magic resurrection entails. Would explain Benjen.
Considering the theory that the Starks have the "Blood of the Others"...
I think the Queen's Men will sacrifice Shireen to bring _Stannis_ back to life (Monster having either been saved by the Wildlings or revealed as a fake by Mel). But the ritual will be phrased for Azor Ahai and they'll get Jon instead.
Thanks for the excellent content both you and Quin have done an excellent job on all your videos you post. You guys got me into the books and just wanted to say thanks!
I didn't account the possibility of his hair going white and his eyes go red that would be epic :) I also have this theory that considering parallels between Jon and Sansa in last two books, and Sansa actually thinking about Jon and "ghost wolves", maybe it'd be Jon's spirit while in ghost that somehow connect with Sansa and unlock her skinchanging powers, because I think it's heavily foreshadowed that Sansa will fly. Of course it could be Bran activating her powers but I'm more geared towards Jon helping her in some way. And they haven't ever communicated on page so it would thematically have meaning if they meet on some spiritual world and reconnect.
To me I think the answer is in Jon’s arc. So far Jon has had to choose between the watch, his respect for the wildlings, and his dream of becoming Lord of Winterfell and a true Stark. In the last book we see him trying to choose all of the above following the pink letter and Jon gets killed for it. In my opinion, I see Jon having to become a member of another clan beyond the wall that is looked upon as evil: the white walkers. He will find the humanity in them and even though he doesn’t necessarily want it, Jon will have to give up the watch, the wildlings, and the Starks to save humanity. He will become a full fledged White Walker and save the seven kingdoms as a White Walker.
George had said... We will see the Lands of Always Winter... Jon and may be Bran will serve as PoVs for us for that, I suppose.
Especially if Others are trying to get hold of Jon Snow's Spirit. Jon sees their culture because of this attempt of Others and is able to communicate with them, understand their language.
Greenseer resurrection seems to be referenced as if it’s happened before with significant consequences. To a major character of the series
I think the reference to Jon in a cold bed etc is a reference to Jon's body being "stored" in the ice cells in the Wall. Other bodies that could be "resurrected" as wights have been stored there to "monitorize" them after the incident with the wights and Jeor Mormont. I think Jon should be resurrected by green magic methods and/or Melisandre magic. IIRC, Varamyr talks about how he pushes Haggon from his eagle. Maybe with the help of Melissandre or Bran or not, another skinchanger could push Jon from Ghost to his body. There are tons of possibilities :/
PD: I also think that Ghost is being warged by Bloodraven. He is wayyy toooo smart even for a magical direwolf
I need to see Jon meeting BloodRaven when he's inside Ghost!
If Jon temporarily goes whight, and then resurrects, he may come back with some insider knowledge, like why they're doing what they're doing, how to pacify them, what their weaknesses are, etc..
Similar to how he temporarily joins the wildmen and got some information on them for the Nights Watch
@@210SAi And we REALLY need more info about the Others before the New Long Night and ADOS!
Imagine is when Jon is resurrected, he has white hair, and red eyes like Ghost! That'd be awesome!
Hi guys! I love your WOW Predictions. I hope you are going to make one about Sansa, Littlefinger and all the story in the Vale of Arryn. It could be interesting. Keep doing great! Thank you!
For sure we are! Might be a week or 2 tho
Tormund was stabbed while being glamoured as Jon
You hope
Tormund calls out for Ghost as he dies?
I love the idea of Ghost merging inside John after his resurrection (if Ghost’s body has to be sacrificed that is). John would be very difficult to out maneuver if he has Ghost literally sharing his scents and intuitions.
I know I’ve mentioned it once before but I am stuck on this thought that there will be fire magic playing some part in Jon being resurrected and along with being wolffish he will also begin to show signs of his dragon half. Maybe even begin having dragon dreams. Somehow his Targaryen side will reveal itself upon his resurrection and that will help him believe when he’s told about his true parentage.
That’s if Jon is rhaegar son Imo I think he’s neds son and dayne lady(sorry forgot her name)
I agree - i see him getting white hair, which will help, and yeah I think he'll be some sort of ice and fire hybrid, just not sure how
@@DavidLightbringer His hair being a mix of dark-brown and silver-blonde and gaining heterochromia with an right Ice-Blue-Grey eye and a left Fire-Red-Purple eye would be a fine as hell combination!
14:30 I think George RR Martin is foreshadowing/describing Jon being dead on a bed, his body's warmth draining as his body forgets what heat once was.