I just realized the parallel between the description of the waters leading to Oldtown and Hardhome: dead things in the wood (here dead things among the wooden ships) and dead things in the water. Plus the crows eating the dead bodies combines the imagery of the wildlings eating their own dead with Sam drinking a Maester Aemon cocktail. Not only is this pretty creepy potential foreshadowing (maybe Oldtown will be another Hardhome), but it further solidifies the NK symbolism for Euron who leaves only dead things in his wake to trouble the living.
Man of Honor [yung turt] I don’t think so, my understanding was they drank some of it to lower the level of it so it wouldn’t overflow when they put in Aemon’s body
@@Eddy1938-b That isn't tragic, that was a mercy killing. Quinn looks better with his hair out. I just hope the pupper's stomach wasn't roughened by it, lord knows what funky artificial starches they use in their production o.O.
The only people who can’t pull off wearing a fedora are literal neck beards, which is why the fedora got a bad rap, because neck beards were seek wearing them. Shocking, I know, but when a fit male wears one it doesn’t look bad! What a surprise!
Was the Horn of Winter broken in two, or just broken so that it could not be blown? Also, wasn't it mentioned in someone's vision about the sea rising up to destroy the towers in Old Town? This will be cutting it close for Sam. The one possible good news is, if Sam finds the magic that the Maester has been looking for to fight against Euron, perhaps it's Sam that has to perform whatever it is in order to save Old Town. It may not stop Euron's forces but it could stop the wall of water that the vision mentioned maybe? Jon's going to have to get back in his body quickly too. He needs to organize the North. Sam needs to get the Horn up there repaired. It will be needed while everyone falls back to Harrenhal area. Whatever is going to cause the Long Night is on the cusp of happening in the story. If it's meteors falling from the sky then that could cause the wall of water that the vision spoke of regarding destroying the towers of Old Town. I'm so excited. I hope the book gets released later this year, or early next.
Isn't there a sand snake there same time from Dorne? Will GRRM have there be cross meetings interactions between the Faceless guy, Sandsnake & Sam plus all the sinister Meisters? Kinda like Its a Mad Mad Mad World chasing for Precious secrets.
@Lucifer means Lightbringer, You and Quinn should go watch Alt Shift X video on Euron. I think you guys would like it and it might help put some pieces together.
If the Oldtown library should burn down like Alexandrië's library, it makes a lot of sense for Bran to become King. Because as the three eyed raven he can definitly give them back the knowledge that gets lost. And then Sam being his maester would also make a lot of sense actually...
Interesting how Mace Tyrell accepts Willas as heir, a guy who seems to have a lot in common with Sam, while Randyll rejects a son who is non-martial. It could have been in the Tarly's best interest to have promote a bookish, learned heir to promote them in one way with a martial younger brother to keep their interests safe in that area too. The Tyrell and Martell brothers acknowledge and work their strengths and weaknesses to promote their house while Randyll cannot accept what Sam is good at.
Davos's description of the walls of the Merman's Court, combined w/a lazy Leo jab, makes me think Sam will play a pivotal role in Euron's downfall, possibly even kill him. Which is consistent w/his occasional brave act. "Behind the dais, a kraken and a grey leviathan were locked in battle beneath the painted waves". (Leo upon seeing Sam) "The citadel is not what it was...They will take anything these days...Dornishmen, pig boys, cripples, cretins, and now a black clad whale. And here I thought leviathans were grey".
Great catch with the leviathan quote never noticed that, it wud be pretty cool if sam was to kill the crows eye but after the eldricht comes true!!!!!???
Honestly, Sam talking business with his dad and showing authority would probably go a long way. Randyll Tarly respects strength above all else and by talking business, Sam would finally show strength. Randyll would still see him as a coward but might give Sam some begrudging respect. All in all great video and I can't wait for more.
Gotta respect how emphatic GRRM is to write these characters. If they were third person, they would be cringly unrealistic, but it’s just funny how absurdly wrong the anxiety from our inner voice can be. E.g. Sam thinking he’s craven. The reason is because everything he does, he measures it against his Fathers unrealistic standards. I can relate to this, but in relation to comparing yourself against your older siblings achievements. It can be extremely immobilising and depressing. Even when everyone thinks yours a great person, you still view yourself as a loser, by the standards of your older sibling/parent. Never measure yourself by the stick of others.
I reckon Pate's friends cottoned on pretty quickly that something changed - especially given how quickly he started forging his links after years of not forging one.
I was thinking this earlier. If only Randel Tarly looked at his son as his son for two seconds he would have realized a Maester’s life was perfect for him.
An interesting parallel between LOTR and ASOIAF is the glass candles and the palantir. Both have pretty much the same abilities besides the palantir not being able to enter dreams.
Pate reminds me of, Invasion of the Bodysnatchers. You can Totally tell a difference, from the old Pate. Plus, Original Pate, was not very sharp. His IQ, must have jumped a bunch of points.
Sam and PateNotPate roadtrip with a wagon full of library books! ...also, may get to see inside the Hightower as it's meant to be a defensive position, so certain people (any of Marwyn's acolytes/novices) may be moved there, especially if Lord Lleyton is as magically interested as he is rumoured to be
Henbot It makes sense for him to be upset. However frought their relationship, at the end of the day his father was murdered. That’s a rough thing to process. And his brother died too- I don’t think their relationship was bad outside of the forced comparisons between them. His family died horribly. They were burned alive. That’s upsetting. Now, would I have liked for there to be more conflict in his portrayed feelings? Yes. I think part of him would be glad or even vindictive that his father was dead and couldn’t abuse him anymore. Which in turn he’d probably feel guilty about, since again, being burned alive is horrible and they were his family. So they could have done more with that story beat, but ultimately I didn’t find it unbelievable
@@willowdove6703 Saw no issue with him mourning his brother but it was too much for me with his dad plus how they framed the whole thing. She executed them it wasn't just murder. Just because someone your dad doesn't mean you have to mourn them if they pass and were horrendous to you. It also didn't feel like it matched what little growth they did with Sam either, he would have moved on from his dad, already sort of was, especially with him robbing the heirloom. Really the fact is it was no different from any other Lord in the show who executed people that disobey and how they went on about it evidence she tyrannical. She gave them two choices and they refused, then by the laws of the world, they were executed.
"Just because someone's your dad doesn't mean you have to mourn them" - Sure, and just because your dad's an abusive asshole doesn't mean you CAN'T mourn them. Sam had a (tragic & probably hopeless) dream of eventually earning his father's respect, and his death made that impossible. Grief - especially over a parent - is complex, traumatic, and incredibly personal. There's no right, wrong, or "inaccurate" way for it to manifest. Having said that, Sam is an incredibly sensitive and empathic character, and seeing him do a triumphant fist-pump over the gruesome death of his father and little brother would have been weird and implausible even in the paper-thin "emotions other than vengeance and lust are for babies" universe of the show.
AltShiftX recently speculated, based on another theory, that Sam has brought the horn of winter so that Euron can blow it. Thematically, there has been a connection between the tower in old town and the wall, with even a passage stating that one can see the wall from the top of the tower. Do you have any opinions of the Winds of Winter ending with Euron blowing the horn from the top of the tower and collapsing the Wall?
Yeeees the whole Oldtown ordeal is one of the things I'm most excited about - in part because I really like Sam, but also because some plots are converging there and the Hightowers are 100% up to some shady shit.
Sam has a horn found at The Fist of The First Men. The Tarley estate is HORN Hill. Their VS sword is pre-Doom [100 yrs older than the Starks' current Ice]. Yup, Sam is *V*E*R*Y* IMPORTANT! I was disappointed that GRRM did not make a cameo appearance in the TV series as "Elderly Sam" finishing the Maesters' version of TSOIAF.
no valyrian steel sword had been forged in valyria of old but for two or three: dark sister and blackfyre ( longclaw could be blackfyre). so ice, brightroar, heartbane, red rain and nightfall had been forged at the citadel of old town by the maesters.
Agree that he's clearly important but George doing a cameo would've made it even worse than it actually was, any iota of immersion left would've gone out the window
@@anne-kathrinhohlig1466 I thought I was the only one that had drawn the conclusion that Longclaw was actually Blackfyre. I told this to someone on the Westeros Forum and it blow their mind
Keep up the great work LmL , I fell behind for a few episodes in the series on both channels with the insanity going on at the moment but all caught up again , this type of content is certainly a great way to escape all the craziness going on. Sam and everything about to go down in Oldtown is certainly an interesting arc for TWoW, one among many being highlighted in this series. Definitely seems Sam is on a reconnaissance / intelligence gathering mission and with the imminent threat of Euron and of course the Others and all the goings on in the North there will not be much time to stick around. Likely will be some confluence of important information and possibly the odd magical talisman / artifact Sam has to take on the way out of there. I do think it will be some inner conflict with Sam finally where he always wanted to be , at the Citadel , but i think similar to the show (won't be saying that very often) he will realize the flaws of the institution , the monopolization of knowledge , not accepting of new ideas and warnings to the point of outright disbelief / resistance and other than their own self interest & self preservation not proactive in terms of taking action ; which along with the threat of Euron and the need to get back to Jon will be the impetus for Sam to get out of there , take some treasures (knowledge and likely some physical items) and his realizations about the Citadel not feel all that bad about it. Given Sam's life experiences at this point he is not going to dither about and fall in line the way he likely would have if he was sent to Oldtown as a boy instead of The Wall. Not sure if Randyll will be a Horn Hill by the time Sam likely arrives there given how far away Randyll is off in combat but would be a nice dynamic change for Sam to come in with valuable info , driven in his plans with conviction and be the one who helps out his family and father who cast him out , might be ironic if somehow Randyll's demise is on account of not listening to Sam. I do think the horn he has is the Horn of Winter , he seems to keep hanging onto it and we know the horn will likely play a role in the endgame , the graphic of TWoW is a horn (which looks like the HoW) and though we will likely see the imminent blowing of the dragon-binder horn , i think one of the last acts of this book may be the blowing of the Horn of Winter as well. Though i do agree i think some knowledge of what the horn is and does and maybe even a physical piece that Sam could acquire in the Citadel will likely facilitate its repair and being blown ; the repair process might even be a two-fold thing as it may be magically and physically broken.
Glass Candle reminds a lot of the seeing stones of Palantír in Tolkein stuff tbh. Also think a private intelligence spying company called themselves Palantir in last few years lul
If Sam does have the actual horn of winter and it does what we think it does, I wouldn't mind seeing Sam use the horn and crush some of euron fleet while defending oldtown. Euron horn sent out a terrible noise that stopped and even paralyzed men. Maybe Sam horn can send some sort of shock wavy or cause a huge tidal wave.
dragon binder binds people, not dragons. thats why victarion has it. to bind people. and what for people? unsullied. they are the main target. euron is the mentioned corsair king kraznys mo nakloz speaks off to push the price high. and what does euron very often? lying.
Ugh, what if Marwyn and the crew KNOW that Pate has been killed and replaced, and they don't care, or at least they accept it as 'for the greater good'? Marwyn could have seen it happen in his glass candle, maybe even wanted it to happen, and now they're just working together because they have some sort of common goal, and they know that it would be easier for this Faceless Man to move around if he's got Pate's face.
That’s not impossible by any means. I suspect the Faceless Men are actually concerned about the Others and would straight up see the wights as the ultimate abomination to the God of Many Faces. Marwyn is also concerned about the Others so that could align
They must know, and Tthe faceless man must know they k ow. But have they aknowledged this to one another, or are they all walking around pretending as if they don't know?
😳 I’m running a dnd game set in Oldtown, found the perfect module to kick it off on short notice. Two of my players worship the storm god, first mission is to stop a wizard friend of Layton Hightower from transforming himself into a living storm with guidance and components from Euron and two Starry Wisdom priests. Intending to have the transformed wizard attack oldtown with him...
1st these videos have been the best part of my days this week. So thank you. 2nd I just have to say how disquieting it is that Sam and Jon are apart. They both need each other in ways that neither understand. They are completely loyal to one another, and that is rare in Westeros. Do you think Jon would be seeping blood into the ground now if Sam was there to help him? Do you think Sam is safe without Jon to protect him in Old Town? One running theme in ASOIAF is the lone wolf dies but the pack survives. Sam and Jon are sworn brothers and they need to stick together. I love Sam but he is ripe for the picking in Old Town. They have alot of the same prejudices as the Nights Watch they are just more civilized and covert about it to Sam's face...
i disagree. jon and sams friendship was founded in the last days of summer. and what says jon with some wildlings of summer friends? those friendships won't last for long. and jon has only summer friends.
I think it would be great if Sam just accidentally fumbles over a book related to The Horn Of Winter and just gets carried away, reading all the sacred materials and then the maesters suspend him for that and The Oldtown gets attacked just after Sam leaves.
The faceless men have a rule that they cant kill people they know. thats why aria is treated so well by the sailors that take her to bravos they make a point of makeing sure she knows their name. thats half the problem resolved by the faceless men
Was glad to see Quinn happy and smiling more.. He enjoyed this video better it seemed. Love to both of you... Quinn's voice... Fan of it 🤗✨💖 Enjoying this journey... Thanks to both of you ☺️
I've got no interest in Sam "earning his dad's respect," because Randyll's respect is worth jack shit... but I *do* like the idea of a fleeing Sam organising the defence of Horn Hill if he were to arrive there and find his father is away on campaign. Dickon isn't a completely lost cause so it could be nice to see Sam earn *his* respect, but it would also be very in character for Sam to merely put in the work with no expectation of anyone giving him credit for it. Maybe Dickon just comes back from war to hear the story of how his "useless, craven" big brother appeared out of nowhere, saved the day, and rode off again.
I think one of my favorite moments with Sam in the early books was when the watch first went beyond the wall. Everyone else was scared and nervous, but Sam was smiling and pretty much having the time of his life beyond the wall. That felt like a smal glimpse that Sam might be a lot braver than anyone ever gave him credit for.
I did that thing and named my kid Samwell. I think Sam is amazing and totally look look forward to whenever Winds gets to nestle on my bookshelf (after an intense read of course). I'm just mad i only recently discovered you guy's channels. Loving this content!
This whole battle of Ice and Fire is going to start at Old Town. That's what makes it so intriguing and I just like any scenario that's anything to do with the libraries.
Y’all forgetting another brave sam moment. He stole gilly from craster! He stole a wildling wife from a wildling lord! And that makes gilly his spear wife. Then proceeds to bed her. Absolute chad.
Guys I hust wanted to say your videos are incredibly cool and it helps a lot while waiting for the book to come out. I think I needed this to put all of the pieces together. Thanks for doing this !
Randyl Tarley is a difficult character for me. He has a very limited and inaccurate view.of masculinity, massive insecurity, rampant misogeny and is a joke of a parent. On the other hand he's so damn good at army stuff, that he's incredibly useful, heroic even, to the side of good. Its tragic he's such a D Bag, cos the non Others need people as good at warfare as he is. Oh well. Screw him.
I completely missed the description of The Cinnamon Wind as a swan ship, which is yet ANOTHER wink and nod to Tolkien since the ships of the Elves are Swan prowed (instead of Dragon prowed like Viking ships). And dromons showing up, another bit since that was the type of ship ancient Numenoreans and their descendants in Gondor and among The Corsairs of Umbar.
It it me or did someone cast a truth spell on Sam? In both your quotes Sam keeps blurting stuff out from the White Walkers to his name Sam the Slayer. It's not as if Sam cannot keep a secret but something about the Citadel seems to loosen his tongue.
I literally could see Sam start grabbing what he can, but get on to himself over and over for not getting the Epic items when in reality he did, they just don't look super epic. Like the Holy Grail being a simple cup. Sam is upset about getting a blade that looks like a letter opener but it's the sword of heroes or something.
I like to think jaqen looks like Dwight when he is wearing the cpr dummy’s face and everyone is just like “I think something is a tad off with this late guy”
In this whole world, when there is a surfeit of heirs in a house and the person in charge (not necessarily the Lord) delegates power and manages egos, the house is very successful. In the show, Tyrion said something like princes are c+*
What do you guys think of Preston's idea that Jaqen is in Oldtown for the glass candle, in order to find his true target; Bloodraven? I think it's a really, really interesting theory that makes a ton of sense. Love to hear a discussion on this.
Unless fPate wants to destroy them he might need help to lift the books. Once Euron attacks, Marvin's students could steal the restricted books, and Horn Hill looks as far away from the coast and Euron as it can be, and seems a good hiding place to flee to with a cartload of books, at least first. (Though I would not pick the keep but some cave near by to hide). Not to forget, that if the map is correct, Horn Hill guards a Red Mountain's-pass to a river that ends at Starfall. While Euron besieges and breaks Oldtown to get what he wants, and perhaps is held up by some minor troubles in the Redwyne Straits, Samwell and his group could run up to Horn Hill (though I'd go by Uplands, since it looks shorter) and from there can take a boat down in perhaps a two day journey to Starfall (excluded waterfalls). In the show Samwell steals a sword. But Lord Tarly still has his own and the only really interesting ownerless sword of the book is kept at Starfall. And his entry to Starfall would be Alleras. - Not to forget in High Hermitage they could run into whatever happened to (probably fake) Myrcella and into Obara and Darkstar.
I just subscribed recently, and I'm loving all the content you two put out, but have you always have this consistent of an upload schedule? Is this in anticipation of the hopefully very soon announcement of The Winds of Winter? Or are you just enjoying looking through all of George's work like this? xD Whichever it is, I am all for it ^_^
no certainly not; this is kind of a special project that we undertook for this month. It just seemed like the time to reorient on the books and let the bad show ending go... hopefully all the focused energy can help manifest TWOW, lol
Gavel man is there to confirm glass candles are working and take one if so. After seeing what no one sees the faceless man will take sams face and head back to the wall.
Sam is a true man. He risked his life to help a woman in distress, then took it upon himself to take care of this woman and to be a father to her child. There's nothing more manly than that.
@@DavidLightbringer Jaqen has his own game to play but not necessarily the Faceless Men's. There is a possibility that faux Pate is not there to kill anyone. That Old Town is just a means to an end. Normally a target will not need a bit of an extra information that Faceless Men didn't have. There are two beings that citadel records have allow the kills to occur Dragons and the Others. faux Pate knows that Samwell knows what kills the Others. But who order the hit and the Faceless Men don't come cheap. Not this level of quarry. The Iron Throne doesn't have the funds nor do I see Dany hiring the Faceless amen.
@@whitneymohrhauser8753 and arya is also trained to hate dragons and true valyrians. and the only true valyrian in world is last of her line and even of her origins and she has three dragons. suspicious.
As far as any future book scenes we might get of Sam rolling up to Horn Hill with military intel and talking business with Randyll goes, YES that would go a long way to catching Randyll unawares and surprise-gaining Sam his respect. We won't get that dinner scene a la HBO as you said, but I think even in the urgency to prep incase ironmen come inland, I can't help but think a machismo guy like Randyll wouldn't also grudgingly respect Sam in a toxic-masc "boys will be boys and men have needs" way vis-a-vis his obvious companionship with Gilly. Vow of celibacy breaking won't matter to him as much in the book i don't think. No idea who Randyll will react to baby Monster or even believe he isn't Sam's/therefore hasn't besmirched any Tarly anything. And anyhow, it really shouldn't even cross Randyll's mind either way. Unless later, Sam's younger brother (very much NOT named Dickon in the book) is killed/maimed in battle. That might cause an inheritance issue or maybe even a Tarly-line-ending issue.
@@DavidLightbringer Is Marwyn's group going to try to "trip up" fake Pate? Maybe try to find out What he's after. Also, fPate may not know what he's looking for and has been waiting for Sam to know what's important.
Pate's there to kill someone. the faceless men are not thieves. unless they leave something of theirs behind. like area and the coin, on her first real mission.
This is why I think PJ is onto something with a lot of his conspiracies. Because people can enter into your mind and give you visions and mess with your dreams. So before I get too far into this video... I gotta say that this isn't the show guys there are consequences for actions. It he steals books especially *forbidden* books all hell would break loose. I think that Sam will spend more time learning and providing information to the wall. Sam is at the center of knowledge in Westeros I highly doubt he'd leave. Honestly why would he need to leave? He can either send information via raven or glass candle.
Well it's under attack by Euron, and the long night is about to fall so... It's not that there won't be consequences, but that everybody might be running for their lives at some point fairly soon.
It is crazy to think that Sam wanting to be a maester would solve his fathers problem of the inheritance, but it was too lowly a position so Sam had to die… or take the black
What confuses me is faceless men strictly assassins? His actions tell me he’s not trying to assassinate anyone in particular... yet. Seems like he’s on a completely different mission.
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I just realized the parallel between the description of the waters leading to Oldtown and Hardhome: dead things in the wood (here dead things among the wooden ships) and dead things in the water. Plus the crows eating the dead bodies combines the imagery of the wildlings eating their own dead with Sam drinking a Maester Aemon cocktail. Not only is this pretty creepy potential foreshadowing (maybe Oldtown will be another Hardhome), but it further solidifies the NK symbolism for Euron who leaves only dead things in his wake to trouble the living.
yikes
great comment... and yikes
Wait did sam drink rum from the cask maester aemon was stored in?
Man of Honor [yung turt] I don’t think so, my understanding was they drank some of it to lower the level of it so it wouldn’t overflow when they put in Aemon’s body
Rewatching this and going into the comment section wasnt the best Thing for my mental health
@@6942-j7y🫶 hope you’re doing good
Quinn how does it feel being the only man in the entire universe who can pull off a fedora
Dennis Dillweight tragic news, his fedora got destroyed by his dog😫😫
@@Eddy1938-b That isn't tragic, that was a mercy killing. Quinn looks better with his hair out. I just hope the pupper's stomach wasn't roughened by it, lord knows what funky artificial starches they use in their production o.O.
Don Draper and Neil Caffrey easily pull off wearing a fedora
The only people who can’t pull off wearing a fedora are literal neck beards, which is why the fedora got a bad rap, because neck beards were seek wearing them.
Shocking, I know, but when a fit male wears one it doesn’t look bad! What a surprise!
Steal everything that isn't nailed down!
@ShadeRunner Love seeing fellow Indy-based fans of LML and Quinn. These guys absolutely rock
Was the Horn of Winter broken in two, or just broken so that it could not be blown? Also, wasn't it mentioned in someone's vision about the sea rising up to destroy the towers in Old Town? This will be cutting it close for Sam. The one possible good news is, if Sam finds the magic that the Maester has been looking for to fight against Euron, perhaps it's Sam that has to perform whatever it is in order to save Old Town. It may not stop Euron's forces but it could stop the wall of water that the vision mentioned maybe?
Jon's going to have to get back in his body quickly too. He needs to organize the North. Sam needs to get the Horn up there repaired. It will be needed while everyone falls back to Harrenhal area. Whatever is going to cause the Long Night is on the cusp of happening in the story. If it's meteors falling from the sky then that could cause the wall of water that the vision spoke of regarding destroying the towers of Old Town. I'm so excited. I hope the book gets released later this year, or early next.
Isn't there a sand snake there same time from Dorne? Will GRRM have there be cross meetings interactions between the Faceless guy, Sandsnake & Sam plus all the sinister Meisters? Kinda like Its a Mad Mad Mad World chasing for Precious secrets.
@Lucifer means Lightbringer, You and Quinn should go watch Alt Shift X video on Euron. I think you guys would like it and it might help put some pieces together.
@@klyanadkmorr sarella sand who is going by the name alleras who is pretending to buy cos women aren't allowed
If the Oldtown library should burn down like Alexandrië's library, it makes a lot of sense for Bran to become King. Because as the three eyed raven he can definitly give them back the knowledge that gets lost. And then Sam being his maester would also make a lot of sense actually...
Interesting how Mace Tyrell accepts Willas as heir, a guy who seems to have a lot in common with Sam, while Randyll rejects a son who is non-martial. It could have been in the Tarly's best interest to have promote a bookish, learned heir to promote them in one way with a martial younger brother to keep their interests safe in that area too. The Tyrell and Martell brothers acknowledge and work their strengths and weaknesses to promote their house while Randyll cannot accept what Sam is good at.
Great points! Tarly is so bigoted as to be self-defeating, yes
Davos's description of the walls of the Merman's Court, combined w/a lazy Leo jab, makes me think Sam will play a pivotal role in Euron's downfall, possibly even kill him. Which is consistent w/his occasional brave act.
"Behind the dais, a kraken and a grey leviathan were locked in battle beneath the painted waves".
(Leo upon seeing Sam)
"The citadel is not what it was...They will take anything these days...Dornishmen, pig boys, cripples, cretins, and now a black clad whale. And here I thought leviathans were grey".
I like it! Sam has other whale and leviathan symbolism, thats no accident. Maybe he will fix / use that broken horn he has! I love this idea :)
@@DavidLightbringer Thank you. I know I have to come correct on these videos😉.
Great point
@Erik Why would Jaqen need to kill Sam to kill Euron? He could do so with any face at any time.
Great catch with the leviathan quote never noticed that, it wud be pretty cool if sam was to kill the crows eye but after the eldricht comes true!!!!!???
Honestly, Sam talking business with his dad and showing authority would probably go a long way. Randyll Tarly respects strength above all else and by talking business, Sam would finally show strength. Randyll would still see him as a coward but might give Sam some begrudging respect. All in all great video and I can't wait for more.
His dad is in Kingslanding
Time to rob the Citadel!
Love your videos!!! I miss your lore content and these are great too. But boy do I need more of your lore content!!!
Gotta respect how emphatic GRRM is to write these characters. If they were third person, they would be cringly unrealistic, but it’s just funny how absurdly wrong the anxiety from our inner voice can be. E.g. Sam thinking he’s craven.
The reason is because everything he does, he measures it against his Fathers unrealistic standards. I can relate to this, but in relation to comparing yourself against your older siblings achievements. It can be extremely immobilising and depressing.
Even when everyone thinks yours a great person, you still view yourself as a loser, by the standards of your older sibling/parent.
Never measure yourself by the stick of others.
His wizard name will be: "Samwell the Black".
Oooh I like that one!
I love this
I reckon Pate's friends cottoned on pretty quickly that something changed - especially given how quickly he started forging his links after years of not forging one.
The real question is, do they care enough to notice / do something about it? I mean, did he have any real friends?
@@filipferencak2717they can’t prove anything.
I was thinking this earlier. If only Randel Tarly looked at his son as his son for two seconds he would have realized a Maester’s life was perfect for him.
Some lords think being a maester is servile and unfit for their sons, it wouldn't surprise me if Tarly thought like that.
@@ColdSleep true. Hurts his ego.
Wildlings: "Who's that fat crow?"
"Sam The Stealer."
Wildlings: 😲
"Some call him the *SLayer.*"
An interesting parallel between LOTR and ASOIAF is the glass candles and the palantir. Both have pretty much the same abilities besides the palantir not being able to enter dreams.
Pate reminds me of, Invasion of the Bodysnatchers. You can Totally tell a difference, from the old Pate. Plus, Original Pate, was not very sharp. His IQ, must have jumped a bunch of points.
I’m loving these and how fast y’all have been dropping them!!!
Hey LML, isn't it curious that Sam's home castle is called HORN Hill? Seems like a bit of humourous foreshadowing to me.
I did an episode of my Green Zombies series that did a deep dive on all that symbolism, it ties into Garth the Green, Cernunnos, and lots of cool shit
Son of a bitch that's actually kind of brilliant...
The "gyro thing" on the ceiling is called an astrolabe. ❤️ Love these videos where y'all team up! Keep them coming, gentlemen.
Sam and PateNotPate roadtrip with a wagon full of library books!
...also, may get to see inside the Hightower as it's meant to be a defensive position, so certain people (any of Marwyn's acolytes/novices) may be moved there, especially if Lord Lleyton is as magically interested as he is rumoured to be
Gosh this might have a "Dunk meets Baelor Targaryen" vibe, I can totally see it
Another great episode! I really liked the part when you connected Sam’s bravery to the definition of bravery that Ned gives to Bran
bran will show us that is he is a coward. jon snow becomes brans headsman.
It also bizarre how they made him so upset about his dad's death in the show
Henbot It makes sense for him to be upset. However frought their relationship, at the end of the day his father was murdered. That’s a rough thing to process. And his brother died too- I don’t think their relationship was bad outside of the forced comparisons between them. His family died horribly. They were burned alive. That’s upsetting.
Now, would I have liked for there to be more conflict in his portrayed feelings? Yes. I think part of him would be glad or even vindictive that his father was dead and couldn’t abuse him anymore. Which in turn he’d probably feel guilty about, since again, being burned alive is horrible and they were his family.
So they could have done more with that story beat, but ultimately I didn’t find it unbelievable
@@willowdove6703 Saw no issue with him mourning his brother but it was too much for me with his dad plus how they framed the whole thing. She executed them it wasn't just murder. Just because someone your dad doesn't mean you have to mourn them if they pass and were horrendous to you. It also didn't feel like it matched what little growth they did with Sam either, he would have moved on from his dad, already sort of was, especially with him robbing the heirloom. Really the fact is it was no different from any other Lord in the show who executed people that disobey and how they went on about it evidence she tyrannical. She gave them two choices and they refused, then by the laws of the world, they were executed.
@@Henbot remind me to never trust you with prisoners of war
"Just because someone's your dad doesn't mean you have to mourn them" - Sure, and just because your dad's an abusive asshole doesn't mean you CAN'T mourn them. Sam had a (tragic & probably hopeless) dream of eventually earning his father's respect, and his death made that impossible.
Grief - especially over a parent - is complex, traumatic, and incredibly personal. There's no right, wrong, or "inaccurate" way for it to manifest. Having said that, Sam is an incredibly sensitive and empathic character, and seeing him do a triumphant fist-pump over the gruesome death of his father and little brother would have been weird and implausible even in the paper-thin "emotions other than vengeance and lust are for babies" universe of the show.
@@johnnye87 100% this.
Oh boy we are in for some fun in Winds of Winter. CAN'T WAIT
AltShiftX recently speculated, based on another theory, that Sam has brought the horn of winter so that Euron can blow it. Thematically, there has been a connection between the tower in old town and the wall, with even a passage stating that one can see the wall from the top of the tower. Do you have any opinions of the Winds of Winter ending with Euron blowing the horn from the top of the tower and collapsing the Wall?
E Marti saw that video today and it’s a pretty good theory
Yep I think something along those lines is possible. We have a Euron ep coming tomorrow!
I absolutely love you guys as co-hosts to some great content!
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Yeeees the whole Oldtown ordeal is one of the things I'm most excited about - in part because I really like Sam, but also because some plots are converging there and the Hightowers are 100% up to some shady shit.
Yeah, like we were saying, we started off thinking to do one Oldtown ep and split it into 3! Love this stuff, glad you do too :)
Sam has a horn found at The Fist of The First Men. The Tarley estate is HORN Hill. Their VS sword is pre-Doom [100 yrs older than the Starks' current Ice]. Yup, Sam is *V*E*R*Y* IMPORTANT! I was disappointed that GRRM did not make a cameo appearance in the TV series as "Elderly Sam" finishing the Maesters' version of TSOIAF.
no valyrian steel sword had been forged in valyria of old but for two or three: dark sister and blackfyre ( longclaw could be blackfyre). so ice, brightroar, heartbane, red rain and nightfall had been forged at the citadel of old town by the maesters.
@@anne-kathrinhohlig1466 Is that from a particular theory video or article? I'd like to check it out.
Honestly, that would've been brilliant, especially when you consider how badly we all want him to finish our version of ASOIAF
Agree that he's clearly important but George doing a cameo would've made it even worse than it actually was, any iota of immersion left would've gone out the window
@@anne-kathrinhohlig1466 I thought I was the only one that had drawn the conclusion that Longclaw was actually Blackfyre. I told this to someone on the Westeros Forum and it blow their mind
Not to be creepy, but damn you're handsome Quinn. Great work again fellas.
Is that an attempt at wit?
Quinn and Mos Def could be brothers.
Sam is one of my favorite characters in the books. I hope great things are in store for him. Wizard Sam would be awesome.
Honestly love how LML reads like he’s super confused about all the words
whachyou talkin bout
Lucifer means Lightbringer no criticism lmao. chin up king, your crown is slipping
Sio Goat i think he’s in on the joke!
@@blablablabla3819 I figure it's my William Shatner influence showing
blablablabla I know he’s on that king king king level
thank you so, so much for literally reviving my love for this book series!!!
Keep up the great work LmL , I fell behind for a few episodes in the series on both channels with the insanity going on at the moment but all caught up again , this type of content is certainly a great way to escape all the craziness going on. Sam and everything about to go down in Oldtown is certainly an interesting arc for TWoW, one among many being highlighted in this series. Definitely seems Sam is on a reconnaissance / intelligence gathering mission and with the imminent threat of Euron and of course the Others and all the goings on in the North there will not be much time to stick around. Likely will be some confluence of important information and possibly the odd magical talisman / artifact Sam has to take on the way out of there. I do think it will be some inner conflict with Sam finally where he always wanted to be , at the Citadel , but i think similar to the show (won't be saying that very often) he will realize the flaws of the institution , the monopolization of knowledge , not accepting of new ideas and warnings to the point of outright disbelief / resistance and other than their own self interest & self preservation not proactive in terms of taking action ; which along with the threat of Euron and the need to get back to Jon will be the impetus for Sam to get out of there , take some treasures (knowledge and likely some physical items) and his realizations about the Citadel not feel all that bad about it. Given Sam's life experiences at this point he is not going to dither about and fall in line the way he likely would have if he was sent to Oldtown as a boy instead of The Wall.
Not sure if Randyll will be a Horn Hill by the time Sam likely arrives there given how far away Randyll is off in combat but would be a nice dynamic change for Sam to come in with valuable info , driven in his plans with conviction and be the one who helps out his family and father who cast him out , might be ironic if somehow Randyll's demise is on account of not listening to Sam. I do think the horn he has is the Horn of Winter , he seems to keep hanging onto it and we know the horn will likely play a role in the endgame , the graphic of TWoW is a horn (which looks like the HoW) and though we will likely see the imminent blowing of the dragon-binder horn , i think one of the last acts of this book may be the blowing of the Horn of Winter as well. Though i do agree i think some knowledge of what the horn is and does and maybe even a physical piece that Sam could acquire in the Citadel will likely facilitate its repair and being blown ; the repair process might even be a two-fold thing as it may be magically and physically broken.
Amazing as always. I can't wait to see where Sam's story goes. So excited for Euron's discussion!
Sam isn't craven at all he just has his dad in his head.
100%
Glass Candle reminds a lot of the seeing stones of Palantír in Tolkein stuff tbh. Also think a private intelligence spying company called themselves Palantir in last few years lul
yeah that pissed me off. Fascists don't get to use nerd stuff man WTH
nsa has an ai called skynet.
If Sam does have the actual horn of winter and it does what we think it does, I wouldn't mind seeing Sam use the horn and crush some of euron fleet while defending oldtown. Euron horn sent out a terrible noise that stopped and even paralyzed men. Maybe Sam horn can send some sort of shock wavy or cause a huge tidal wave.
dragon binder binds people, not dragons. thats why victarion has it. to bind people. and what for people? unsullied. they are the main target. euron is the mentioned corsair king kraznys mo nakloz speaks off to push the price high. and what does euron very often? lying.
Battle of HORNS at HORN hill!😂
Ugh, what if Marwyn and the crew KNOW that Pate has been killed and replaced, and they don't care, or at least they accept it as 'for the greater good'? Marwyn could have seen it happen in his glass candle, maybe even wanted it to happen, and now they're just working together because they have some sort of common goal, and they know that it would be easier for this Faceless Man to move around if he's got Pate's face.
That’s not impossible by any means. I suspect the Faceless Men are actually concerned about the Others and would straight up see the wights as the ultimate abomination to the God of Many Faces. Marwyn is also concerned about the Others so that could align
They must know, and Tthe faceless man must know they k ow. But have they aknowledged this to one another, or are they all walking around pretending as if they don't know?
I’m diggin all these vids guys!! Keep it up!!!! 🧟♂️🧟
😳 I’m running a dnd game set in Oldtown, found the perfect module to kick it off on short notice. Two of my players worship the storm god, first mission is to stop a wizard friend of Layton Hightower from transforming himself into a living storm with guidance and components from Euron and two Starry Wisdom priests. Intending to have the transformed wizard attack oldtown with him...
1st these videos have been the best part of my days this week. So thank you. 2nd I just have to say how disquieting it is that Sam and Jon are apart. They both need each other in ways that neither understand. They are completely loyal to one another, and that is rare in Westeros. Do you think Jon would be seeping blood into the ground now if Sam was there to help him? Do you think Sam is safe without Jon to protect him in Old Town? One running theme in ASOIAF is the lone wolf dies but the pack survives. Sam and Jon are sworn brothers and they need to stick together. I love Sam but he is ripe for the picking in Old Town. They have alot of the same prejudices as the Nights Watch they are just more civilized and covert about it to Sam's face...
great comment, totally agree :)
i disagree. jon and sams friendship was founded in the last days of summer. and what says jon with some wildlings of summer friends? those friendships won't last for long. and jon has only summer friends.
yay, this was great. i'm enjoying this series so much- thank you for your work!🥰
I think it would be great if Sam just accidentally fumbles over a book related to The Horn Of Winter and just gets carried away, reading all the sacred materials and then the maesters suspend him for that and The Oldtown gets attacked just after Sam leaves.
Alleras is one hell of a listener. one of my favourite minor characters
The faceless men have a rule that they cant kill people they know. thats why aria is treated so well by the sailors that take her to bravos they make a point of makeing sure she knows their name.
thats half the problem resolved by the faceless men
Sam has a important part that is certain. Great video once again
Was glad to see Quinn happy and smiling more.. He enjoyed this video better it seemed.
Love to both of you... Quinn's voice... Fan of it 🤗✨💖
Enjoying this journey... Thanks to both of you ☺️
it all depends on the quality of my jokes really
@@DavidLightbringer Oh they are awesome. 😄👌
Lml that's a nice bong you got behind you ... but great video keep it up guys for real
I'm really looking forward to Oldtown's arc!!
Oldtown is so interesting
Maybe the 'small thing' Marwyn could have missed could reference Tyrion?
I've got no interest in Sam "earning his dad's respect," because Randyll's respect is worth jack shit... but I *do* like the idea of a fleeing Sam organising the defence of Horn Hill if he were to arrive there and find his father is away on campaign.
Dickon isn't a completely lost cause so it could be nice to see Sam earn *his* respect, but it would also be very in character for Sam to merely put in the work with no expectation of anyone giving him credit for it. Maybe Dickon just comes back from war to hear the story of how his "useless, craven" big brother appeared out of nowhere, saved the day, and rode off again.
What might be "off" is the body or the height. There is more to an identity than a face.
I think one of my favorite moments with Sam in the early books was when the watch first went beyond the wall. Everyone else was scared and nervous, but Sam was smiling and pretty much having the time of his life beyond the wall. That felt like a smal glimpse that Sam might be a lot braver than anyone ever gave him credit for.
I did that thing and named my kid Samwell. I think Sam is amazing and totally look look forward to whenever Winds gets to nestle on my bookshelf (after an intense read of course). I'm just mad i only recently discovered you guy's channels. Loving this content!
This whole battle of Ice and Fire is going to start at Old Town. That's what makes it so intriguing and I just like any scenario that's anything to do with the libraries.
Something you guys forgot to mention was that “Alleras” is actually “Sarella Sand” who Oberyn mentioned is on a secret mission in Old Town
Y’all forgetting another brave sam moment. He stole gilly from craster! He stole a wildling wife from a wildling lord! And that makes gilly his spear wife. Then proceeds to bed her. Absolute chad.
Guys I hust wanted to say your videos are incredibly cool and it helps a lot while waiting for the book to come out. I think I needed this to put all of the pieces together. Thanks for doing this !
Randyl Tarley is a difficult character for me. He has a very limited and inaccurate view.of masculinity, massive insecurity, rampant misogeny and is a joke of a parent. On the other hand he's so damn good at army stuff, that he's incredibly useful, heroic even, to the side of good. Its tragic he's such a D Bag, cos the non Others need people as good at warfare as he is. Oh well. Screw him.
Not all heroes are good people, which is why the story is so compelling. I like your assesment of Randyl, it's pretty spot on.
He's clearly not a fan of millennial parenting, that's for sure...
In the past couple of years, the DMV has actually been very quick for me (I've been to a few in multiple cities but all within the same state).
Another grand episode!
Love this collaboration please work with Quinn more!
You guys rock! You cover my favorite topics see things I've missed.
I love this series.
boy, you gotta stop being afraid of anyone who gets triggered just by hearing the words "toxic masculity" say that shit dont hesitate
Sam will be a Wizard. Quinn when you said that it just has that “ding” of truth. Love it love it love it!
Pate sounds a lot like Hayt, which is the first Duncan Idaho ghola :p
I completely missed the description of The Cinnamon Wind as a swan ship, which is yet ANOTHER wink and nod to Tolkien since the ships of the Elves are Swan prowed (instead of Dragon prowed like Viking ships). And dromons showing up, another bit since that was the type of ship ancient Numenoreans and their descendants in Gondor and among The Corsairs of Umbar.
It it me or did someone cast a truth spell on Sam?
In both your quotes Sam keeps blurting stuff out from the White Walkers to his name Sam the Slayer.
It's not as if Sam cannot keep a secret but something about the Citadel seems to loosen his tongue.
I literally could see Sam start grabbing what he can, but get on to himself over and over for not getting the Epic items when in reality he did, they just don't look super epic. Like the Holy Grail being a simple cup. Sam is upset about getting a blade that looks like a letter opener but it's the sword of heroes or something.
Lol
Damn I just realized Pate is Jaquan Hagaar!
Love this video !!
I like to think jaqen looks like Dwight when he is wearing the cpr dummy’s face and everyone is just like “I think something is a tad off with this late guy”
Love this series, two great content creators 👍
In this whole world, when there is a surfeit of heirs in a house and the person in charge (not necessarily the Lord) delegates power and manages egos, the house is very successful. In the show, Tyrion said something like princes are c+*
What do you guys think of Preston's idea that Jaqen is in Oldtown for the glass candle, in order to find his true target; Bloodraven? I think it's a really, really interesting theory that makes a ton of sense. Love to hear a discussion on this.
Why is Jaqen after Bloodraven?
If Alleras is a Sand Snake, then House Martell might be clued in on all this magic and the return of the Others.
Unless fPate wants to destroy them he might need help to lift the books. Once Euron attacks, Marvin's students could steal the restricted books, and Horn Hill looks as far away from the coast and Euron as it can be, and seems a good hiding place to flee to with a cartload of books, at least first. (Though I would not pick the keep but some cave near by to hide). Not to forget, that if the map is correct, Horn Hill guards a Red Mountain's-pass to a river that ends at Starfall. While Euron besieges and breaks Oldtown to get what he wants, and perhaps is held up by some minor troubles in the Redwyne Straits, Samwell and his group could run up to Horn Hill (though I'd go by Uplands, since it looks shorter) and from there can take a boat down in perhaps a two day journey to Starfall (excluded waterfalls). In the show Samwell steals a sword. But Lord Tarly still has his own and the only really interesting ownerless sword of the book is kept at Starfall. And his entry to Starfall would be Alleras. - Not to forget in High Hermitage they could run into whatever happened to (probably fake) Myrcella and into Obara and Darkstar.
"slip him a penny"......Like the boatman
Sam always wanted to be a Wizard!
Big fan of your channel LML!
Refreshing! Yes, Sam the Wizard!!
I just subscribed recently, and I'm loving all the content you two put out, but have you always have this consistent of an upload schedule? Is this in anticipation of the hopefully very soon announcement of The Winds of Winter? Or are you just enjoying looking through all of George's work like this? xD Whichever it is, I am all for it ^_^
no certainly not; this is kind of a special project that we undertook for this month. It just seemed like the time to reorient on the books and let the bad show ending go... hopefully all the focused energy can help manifest TWOW, lol
I think Sam is gonna save Pates life somehow and will be owed a death like Arya was
first pate is dead. second fake pate wants to steal a book. and third this book thievery is for the murder bank which is envolved in slave trade.
I know pate is dead you know what i mean
Sam the Sorcerer! Wololo!
Came for the dream team, stayed for the burning bush symbolism.
Gavel man is there to confirm glass candles are working and take one if so. After seeing what no one sees the faceless man will take sams face and head back to the wall.
The Citadel with its glass candle reminds me of Orthanc with its Palantir.
Another home run!!!
Sam is a true man. He risked his life to help a woman in distress, then took it upon himself to take care of this woman and to be a father to her child. There's nothing more manly than that.
I think Pate will kill Marwyn and take his place become Maester to Dany. At least we won't get the book that legitimizes Jon Snow as Rhaegar's
Marwyn already left tho and Pate is still there.
@@DavidLightbringer Jaqen has his own game to play but not necessarily the Faceless Men's. There is a possibility that faux Pate is not there to kill anyone. That Old Town is just a means to an end. Normally a target will not need a bit of an extra information that Faceless Men didn't have. There are two beings that citadel records have allow the kills to occur Dragons and the Others. faux Pate knows that Samwell knows what kills the Others. But who order the hit and the Faceless Men don't come cheap. Not this level of quarry. The Iron Throne doesn't have the funds nor do I see Dany hiring the Faceless amen.
@@whitneymohrhauser8753 and arya is also trained to hate dragons and true valyrians. and the only true valyrian in world is last of her line and even of her origins and she has three dragons. suspicious.
jon snow can die as bastard. he is not worthy to be a targaryen. i hope he is a baseborn brat.
Sam will become the equvelant to Gandalf the Grey
And Frodo's father is Drogo. It doesn't track with the parallel but hey
As far as any future book scenes we might get of Sam rolling up to Horn Hill with military intel and talking business with Randyll goes, YES that would go a long way to catching Randyll unawares and surprise-gaining Sam his respect. We won't get that dinner scene a la HBO as you said, but I think even in the urgency to prep incase ironmen come inland, I can't help but think a machismo guy like Randyll wouldn't also grudgingly respect Sam in a toxic-masc "boys will be boys and men have needs" way vis-a-vis his obvious companionship with Gilly. Vow of celibacy breaking won't matter to him as much in the book i don't think. No idea who Randyll will react to baby Monster or even believe he isn't Sam's/therefore hasn't besmirched any Tarly anything. And anyhow, it really shouldn't even cross Randyll's mind either way. Unless later, Sam's younger brother (very much NOT named Dickon in the book) is killed/maimed in battle. That might cause an inheritance issue or maybe even a Tarly-line-ending issue.
They know Pate isn't Pate, but fPate doesn't know they know.
Oh yeah? Could be, could be... glass candles reveal all perhaps
@@DavidLightbringer Is Marwyn's group going to try to "trip up" fake Pate? Maybe try to find out What he's after. Also, fPate may not know what he's looking for and has been waiting for Sam to know what's important.
They know, and fPate knows they know. Question is, do they know fPate knows they know or no?
When we gonna get Quinn back lol didn’t even know you guys collabed, started watching his 3 body problem stuff when the show came out
Pate's there to kill someone. the faceless men are not thieves. unless they leave something of theirs behind. like area and the coin, on her first real mission.
This is why I think PJ is onto something with a lot of his conspiracies. Because people can enter into your mind and give you visions and mess with your dreams.
So before I get too far into this video... I gotta say that this isn't the show guys there are consequences for actions. It he steals books especially *forbidden* books all hell would break loose.
I think that Sam will spend more time learning and providing information to the wall.
Sam is at the center of knowledge in Westeros I highly doubt he'd leave. Honestly why would he need to leave? He can either send information via raven or glass candle.
Well it's under attack by Euron, and the long night is about to fall so... It's not that there won't be consequences, but that everybody might be running for their lives at some point fairly soon.
It is crazy to think that Sam wanting to be a maester would solve his fathers problem of the inheritance, but it was too lowly a position so Sam had to die… or take the black
What confuses me is faceless men strictly assassins? His actions tell me he’s not trying to assassinate anyone in particular... yet. Seems like he’s on a completely different mission.
I see you have your own "glass candles" on your table behind you, good sir
tall and (not) twisted they are
Sam the stealer lol
Sam the clypto I call him lol
Interesting 👀🤙🏾