Pakistan’s Religious Minorities - Past, Present, Future
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- Mr. Jinnah’s famed 11 August 1947 speech has long been quoted as guaranteeing religious freedom for Pakistanis. Why was it not taken seriously? Why have non-Muslims left the country in such numbers and what awaits them in the future?
An interactive session with
• Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy
• Bishop Samuel Azariah (Director Christian Study Centre)
• Pritam Das Rathi (President Islamabad Hindu Panchayat)
This session is moderated by Dr. Naazir Mahmood.
Indian education me nafrath nhi sikaya jatha he..me kudh ek Christian hu..yaha inter faith harmony sikaya jatha he..proud to be an Indian Christian ✝️
Buddy, I am Hindu and that too Brahmin and I celebrate Christmas. We decorate X'mas tree and have to get dift for my daughter. The celebration mode gets turned on equally for us. We don't stop here and I have been going to my Muslim friends house udirng Eid and celebrate Eid with them. Same way everyone celebrate Dewali and Puja with us.
@@ankurgoswami7568 very true 👍
@@ankurgoswami7568what do you mean by bra-min. Do you mean you come from that community which use to scam people in the name of god.
Musalmann is secular in minority and islamist when in majority. You can not be both. Pick one
Well said brother.
Well said brother!
Excellent
Hypocrite 🎉🎉..
That’s not true. Secular Muslims tend to congregate in secular lands. Islamists tend to stay in Islamic countries. You have it backwards. Indian Muslims aren’t secular because they are a minority. They were secular in the first place that’s why they chose India.
The hatred ingrained in Pakistani mindset is so deep, even if the recommendations by participants are implemented tomorrow morning it will take two generations or 100 year to change the nature of society.
I disagree with you here, brother, the way pak society is headed an implosion is the only way out; in which case 30 years and they shall be half Hindus and a subjugatory state to Indian Union.
No chance
Your last name is Malik which is a muslim surname
And trust me, the hatred that Indians have for Pakistanis is on another level.
@@ranaashhad8040 ha ha ha, my last name is a bit confusing but it is found across Punjabi, Bengali, Haryanavi and so on and so forth. Incidentally I am Hindu Punjabi who is second generation of Partition refugees.
@@sunilmalik9488 Is Punjba doing to be a separate country?
Appropriate to state here that India's eminent lawyer Mr Ram Jethmalani has stated in an interview that he wanted to continue to live in Pakistan but things became too difficult for Hindus and he had to move to India. If Mr Jethmalani, an eminent lawyer, who had full support of his Muslim partners could not live in Pakistan, we can imagine how difficult it must be for ordinary Hindus. So Mr Parvez Hoodbhoy's statement that initially minorities were not treated badly in Pakistan is not true.
Parvez Hoodbhoy is on the wrong track if he thinks that Sanskrit came to India from Iran or central Asia. This thinking is an extension of now the totally rejected theory of the Aryan invasion and association of Sanskrit with them that the idea of a now extinct Proto-Aryan language was entertained by the British to be somewhere in the central Asia. There is now tons of evidence to disprove this. For example, the date of Rigveda is traditionally accepted by the western scholars to be around 1500-1200 B.C.. This date can be made stretched back to 2000-1500 B.C. by this piece of evidence. There was a peace treaty between the Hitties and Mittinites in around 1400 B.C. with their territories in the present day Turkey and Iraq wherein the Rigvedic gods Indra, Varun and others are mentioned. But I don't see any evidence of Rigveda being composed in the central Asia, but actually they were composed in the Rawalpindi region of the present Pakistan wherein Sindh river is frequently mentioned and Saraswati river is held sacred, but Ganga and Yamuna are rarely mentioned. The distance between Rawalpindi and Turkey and Mesopotamia is considerable for the Rigvedic themes to be worked out and spread to such a far off region within a century of 1500-1400 B.C.. Unfortunately, present day Pakistanis, even the most learned of them, are no better than ignoramuses as far as the knowledge of ancient India, Hinduism and Jainism is concerned. What to speak of Sanskrit, not even Hindi is taught anywhere in Pakistan.
Brilliant write up. Sad that a person of Prof. Hoodbhoy’s standing would hold such misinformation 🛑
Leave Hindi, not even Punjabi is s taught anywhere in Pakistan
Hoodboy is a physics guy , he calls Hindu, Hindu baniya at times bec that's the term they use in Pakistan but his intention are not to hurt hindus..I am glad he is atleast talking facts in a country made on a myth.
@@jess-qe5ed I disagree. Prof. Hoodbhoy is a big disappointment though he’s one of the better lots from Papisthan. Like the rest of them he too nurses an anti Dharmic attitude.
@@robin4singh Utterly disgraceful. They are on a mission to erase Sindhi, Baluchi, Pashtu and Punjabi from its home🛑
I am amazed to see even intelligent professors feel good in explaining that everything was divided so no need to accept Indian ancestors.
This isn't the conclusion. But hinted that identity can be formed morphed and manipulated.
What are you talking about?
There is some truth to that. The Baluchis could have come from Aleppo. Pathans are a mix of Iranians and Indians. The Sindhis are proud to be sons of the soil. The Mahajans and the Punjabis have all created stories of foreign ancestry. Many Mahajans claim Mughal ancestry. The Hazaras are the only descendants of Mughals in the Indian sub-continent.
major point is missing...Hindus m Buddhist, Jains lived across present day Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indian, BanglaDesh , before arrival of Islam in South Asia.
Resignation letter of Jogendra Nath Mandal:
“Muslims and Dalits in Bengal were in the same situation. Both were backward, illiterate and oppressed. I was assured that by associating with the Muslim League steps would be taken for the betterment of the conditions of Dalits and Muslims. We would take steps that would lead to harmony and communal peace. This is why I supported the League.
“The League celebrated Direct Action Day in 1946. This led to terrible riots in Bengal. Dalits and backward Hindus in Noakhali-Narshaar areas of Calcutta were killed and hundreds converted to Islam. Hindu women were kidnapped and raped. I undertook a journey through the riot-affected areas and witnessed the miserable conditions of people but still, I continued to support the League with a positive hope in my heart.
“I was admitted to the council of Ministers after 14 August 1947 when Pakistan came into being. I talked with Khwaja Nazimuddin and requested him to include backward class members in the cabinet of east Bengal and he promised. However, he never kept the promise and that disappointed me.
“On the false complaint of a Muslim, several people belonging to the local Namoshudray community in Didharkul in Gopalganj had to suffer atrocities. The Muslims joined hands with the police to thrash people of the Namoshudray community, enter their homes and they even beat up a pregnant woman so badly that she had an abortion. The police and the League Muslims committed heinous atrocities on the backward community. Residents of Sialhet and Habibgadh were thrashed viciously.
“They not only thrashed people but Hindu men were forced to send their women to the army camps to satisfy the lust of the army men. I called this to the attention of the administrators and called for a report but there was no outcome.
“The police, army and Muslim goons combined together with arms to attack a small village in Khulna Jilla. Women were raped. I undertook a journey of Kalshera and nearby villages on 28th February 1950 and saw ruined settlements. About 350 homes were razed to the ground. I reported the facts.
“I toured regions of affected areas in Dhaka. I was shocked to see bodies of slain Hindus lying on the tracks of Dhaka-Narayanganj and Dhaka-Chantgaon.
“I met the chief minister of East Bengal and requested him to take steps to stop the riots.
“I reached Barisaal on 20th February 1950 and was shocked to know of the incidents in this area. Hindus in large numbers were burnt alive. I walked through almost all the riot-affected areas and it was the same story: Mass killings of Hindus. One zamindar in Maghapasha had 200 of his householders killed and 40 were injured. It was living hell that I saw. In one place 300 Hindus were massacred. I saw mounds of skeletons. Dogs and vultures were feasting on rotting corpses. After killing the men the mobs had distributed the women among themselves to do as they pleased.
“60 people were killed in Rajapur. All Hindu shops were looted and razed inBabuganj. About 10000 Hindus were killed in the communal riots in East Bengal. What happened to the women and children is horrifying and brings up tears.
“I asked myself if I had come to Pakistan in the name of Islam.
“He further wrote in his letter: What is the status in East Bengal? After partition 5 lakh Hindus left Pakistan. Hindu doctors, lawyers, shopkeepers and businessmen were all forced to leave their homes and belongings due to communal riots and fears.
“Incidents have come to light of rape by Muslims on women of backward communities. Hindus selling properties to Muslims did not receive full value. Fact is, there is no justice or Fairplay in Pakistan. There is no rule of law. Hindus are worried.
“It is the same situation in West Pakistan. There were about 1 lakh backward community people in Pakistani Punjab. The majority were forcibly converted to Islam. I have a list in which 363 Temples and Gurudwaras are under the control of Muslims. Of these, some have been turned into shops, slaughterhouses and hotels. I have received news that a large number of backward community people in Sindh have been forcibly converted to Islam. Their fault is that they were Hindus and had to suffer atrocities.
“Putting aside all that has been happening in East and West Pakistan, my personal experience is painful. You used the Prime Minister’s office and the parliamentary party to make use of me. I had no inkling that you would exploit me in this way of untruth and injustice. It was difficult for me to refuse your directives so long as I was a minister in your cabinet. However, I cannot tolerate or bear the lies, deceit and injustice. I have decided to resign from the post of Minister in your cabinet. I hope you will accept my resignation forthwith. You are free to assign the post to the person you think fit to further your Islamic state.”
Most Muslims were Dalit Hindus
@@being8107
No factual basis
Mr Jogender mandal seems to have reached India after that, but it's possible that he was disappointed after observing that there were bigger anti hindu elements in power at that time in India.
Is there any secretory of a department, minister, justice, general from minorities now even though they should have equal rights in Pakistan
@@bmniacvery much trueee
First remove the hate towards Hindus from your text books📚
There’s no hate in our textbooks. I think it’s taught by our elders. Every family is different. I don’t remember my parents & grandparents ever telling us anything bad about Hindus. They used to tell us places that belong to Hindus and Sikhs whenever we would go out together. And how they Hindu ladies will bring them thaal ( big trays) of dry fruits and food on Eid and stuff. I have heard other elders( not related to me) to divide and share past that makes one hate Hindus So no I feel like we are transferring this hate to our children and we need to stop it.
@@aishasiddiqa2902 There is alot if you've ever focused
Looters and invaders like ghaznavi are shown as hero in our Pak Studies textbooks. I still remember in 6/7 grade i read in textbook that ghaznavi attacked 16 times aur 17th time he conquered somnath temple and looted gold diamond and treasure from there and it was written in a way that it seemed like it was greatest achievement by any Muslim ever
We have to start thinking critically. World has gone too far and we still don't get rid of this extremism and manipulation we would be left far behind no one would care about us
Our elders as well our govt our education system everyone is culprit of this brainwashing.
Very true 👍
You remove the hateful ruling party from your country first
@@VishalYadav-kt6gw yes i know that ahirs are called yadav over there
maybe we were converted forcefully or we just got influence of ruler's religion not sure about that but now i'm happy and satisfied with my faith
What about Hindu hatred in school syllabus, which has developed mindset from the childhood?
Very few attendees shows the nature of country.
Hoodbhai is a pure Pakistani. It is reflected in his analysis of ancient history of India about which he knows next to nothing. He is correct about the current situation of Pakistan but the root of the problem of Pakistan is the creation of Pakistan itself, which he cannot recognise.
He’s a leftist hardcore that’s the problem. So he has some Islamist talking points, that’s why Islamists tolerate him because he’s a Noam Chomsky. Secularists love him because he knows the obvious fact that over religiosity is ruining Pakistan.
I have been watching various programs of meeting after 75 year relatives during partition, I found all those Hindus or Sikhs who for some or the other reason could come to India, have been converted to Muslims but on the other hand Muslims who could not migrate to Pakistan in 1947, have retained their faith.
Many Hindus Sikh’s and Christian’s are doing very well in Pakistan as well. Please paint the entire picture.
Now after seeing this debate, I understood how great my Indian leaders were in the past!
From 1947 to 1971 despite of Majority population of Pakistan Bengali people had no equal right political and socioeconomic right as a citizen of Pakistan, When Majority had no rights at that time then how Minority will have the equal rights in Pakistan now. its a unexpected to think in Pakistan
Hidu Religion was quite ancient and generous in live and let live but intolerant Islamic jihadists couldn't subscribe to the principles of live and let live. Right from the beginning Islamic majority of fanatical tendency was to convert anybody peacefully if possible or convert to Islam forcibly. Now a days dominant tendency in islamist is to marry Hindu, Christian young ladies and convert them to Islam. They will never allow their Islamic girls to marry Christian, Hindu or Budhist boys 😮😢 .
I agree with Bishop Sahib! Love is my religion and every heart is my temple - Rumi
Let's not say stupid things please. yaheen faltoo ki philosophy bhee aik reason hai tabahee ka. Keep religion whatever your religion may be but respect the others' rights as well.
@@javedsiddiqui1870 yes! Respect all religions 🙏
@@javedsiddiqui1870 Bang on the point. As it's said "Live & Let Live", similarly "Respect your own religion as well as others religion equally".
“You are Afzal” the first lesson injected in the minds of a child
What does that mean?
_BJP Ne Constitutionally Aisa Kya Kiya Hai Jo Problematic Lagti Hai? Or, It’s Just A Blínd Hàtrèd?_
Blind hatered. They consume mainstream Marxist papers and assume bjp is the worst. The man on the street in India who actually knows the truth loves bjp.
Abe bolke kya fayda bhai inko ..ye kehta sanskrit is not innate to india .america se aya sanskrit aur mai mars me paida hua tha
Best secular parties is bjp
Although this interview is 2 month old, it us unfortunate that Prof. Hoodbhoy is not fully informed about enormous information available on “Out of India” now available.
Professor doesn’t seem to be aware of publications like:
J SAI DEEPAK’s “India that is Bharat”, “India, Bharat, and Pakistan
Many of RAJIV MALHOTRA’s including “SNAKES IN GANGA”
There is no proof of what is called out of India migration.
Muslim aur gair Muslim ka fark to Mohamad ne hi suru ho gaya tha.
Sanskrit is purely an Indian language, because Vedas are written 10000 years ago and Iranian and Egyptian civilization is around 5000 to 60000 years old....
Nilesh oke research says that Riq ved was written 21000 years ago.
*_As Usual - An Íslàmíc Country Starts Declaring Progress Of Becoming A Secular When It Has Almost Negligible Mínoríty Left.😂😂_*
*_Whom Are You Fóólings?😂 Kisko Murkh Bna Rhe Ho? Puri Duniya Me Right Wing Rise Pr Hai. Tumhari Halat Vo Hone Wali Hai Ki Híltér Tumhe Péàcéful Insaan Lagne Lagega.😂_*
Inko satya manne main problem hoti hai
Fooling each other, Shias-Hazara ko ajj bhi maarte hain, bass baatein sunon koi mai ka laal nahi Pakistan mein minorities ko haq dilane wala. Pak would remain a lesson for Non-muslims for times to come for perils of muslim demography.
@@dineshsharma6125 Insahallah Ríght Wíng Is On Ríse. Khuda Kasam Musàlmàno Ne Jítne non-Muslíms Ka Qatal Kiya Uska Hisaab Upar Wala Krega.
Bílkul In Logo Ke Liye Dil Me Koi Soft Cornèr Nahi Bacha. Ye Log Sírf Ladaai Jhagda Krte Haín.
Ek Aur Hítlèr Ko Janm Padega.
@@KararaJawaab
Not hitler, India needs development and an open society. Islamic discourse is inhumane and based on barbarian instincts which at the core are Discriminatory among human beings. If you can expose how most of Muslims were converted to this faith in Indian subcontinent they would leave it automatically. Open society and development is the key.
The turks have left brutal records of Non-muslim torcher and enslavement in number of millions. You have to reach a point where you can openly discuss those things in society. This way you can win over the pashmanda Muslims, the Ashraf muslim elites don't love Islam but the love their Turkic ancestry like Saif ali etc naming Jahangir and Taimur etc. So Ashraf would remain muslim, local converts would become Hindus.
@@dineshsharma6125 bhai to Dr. Hoodbhoy bhee yahee baat kar rahae hain naa jo aap kar rahae hain....yeh batain sab kartae hain pur no action by people.
Well ! I would say the Muslim community is more rigid when it comes to reforms because of ultra submission to faith and this scares anyone who is from that faith. Change, reform is scary and a good thing . Scary because you don't know how thing will unfold and good because if you get habitual of reforming as per Era you can tweak mindset of society as per the progression. Because Muslim community have not witnessed any religious reforms for centuries that uncertainty of how things will unfold after a reform plus their radical groups keep pushing and putting them in a situation of us vs them or do's and don't. Iam a Hindu and my sister is an atheist not the militant one (who keep on disrespecting others opinion) but she respects my belief and she wants same respect for her of not believing in an entity , simple as that. Our family have no issues because hey!! we are one unit we tend to have difference of opinions and thoughts. Hindus have radical elements but Majority are progressive and want our country to be successful and people of all religion could reap the benefits. May Radha Krishna bless you all and yes believe in change and reforms but stick to your culture because that's who we are that's what makes us sons and daughters of this soil. Peace to peace loving people of Pakistan from India. Hare krishna❤🙏❤🙏
Under Modi, hindus are getting radicalized too
I am a Hindustani Christian. I am ashamed to hear that Bishop justifying the creation of Pakistan. These people supported creation of Pakistan in 1947 also. Shame on you......
Dr. Hoodbhoy I respect you for your thought process and courage to criticize wrong doings in pakistan. However you are also anti Hindu like most pakistani. I not from BJP or RSS but as I have observed as Indian citizen BJP is not doing any thing against any Muslim. It is however small no of muslim In India are radicalized by madrasas against Hindus like Pakistan. These muslim does jihadi type activity. Most of muslim are very happy in India and they are true nationalist and around 20% Muslim vote for BJP. For your information around 25% muslim do not follow Islam in India after looking at Jihadi activity of some kuttar muslim and they do not come openly as they fear they will be murdered. In this higher number are girls. In kerala there are atleast 1 member of family who are ex muslim and they have made ex muslim group.
Further your comment on sanskrit is totally against Hindus. Aryan invesion theory is created by britishers and European. The latest research prove it it is false narrative. In you read Ramayan and Mahabharat which is our history you will find the astrological information given in these text says they are 5000 and 8000 years old. They are in sanskrit. Our vedas is more older than that. Please read those It has lot of lot of scientific evidences. From latest excavation done by ASI has proved Ramayan and mahabharat were our history. So I request you please correct your thoughts. Please read Quran fully and find how your Quran and hadis explain hatrate against ladies and non muslim.
Dr. Pervez Hoodboy has to appeal to his audience as well. He is just compelled to do that. And, last but not least, he has to live in Pakistan. Otherwise, his situation will become like a "Dhobi ka kutta, na ghar ka na ghaat ka." Here Ghar means moderate Muslims and Ghaat is the extremist group in Pakistan, who hate him already.
The % of minorities in Pakistan has come down from 23% to 1 % since 1947.
In 1947 the most of the population of minority was in east Pakistan which is now Bengal there was never too much population of minority in west
Even ignoring Punjab, there were 13% minorities in west Pakistan.
Karachi was 50% Hindu in 1947.
They were systematically targeted, killed and raped by Islamists.
@@prajithr2202 wrong information sir
@@bukal56 unbelievable, you are so ignorant of your own history. You can try reading Ishithiaq Ahmed's books.
@@prajithr2202 oh please dear go search and you will know the reality
Chacha l , R1A1A , f haplogroup are the main haplogroups of India and originated in it , also the written Sanskrit was found in middle East but we used to write on palf leaf and bark of trees so for how much time it can be preserved , the fact is that Sanskrit is of Indian origin even the mice and pests have followed the same genes sequencing of haplogroups in which out of India migration would have taken place .
You donot want to accept that it was your father's and forefathers who were Hindus .
Hard to sense the level of complete denial even among Pakistan civil society
They are not civil society, they are only in name.
It is appalling that Prof. Hoodyboy would make such fake claims like Sanskrit is not indigenous to BHARATH. And may perhaps extend the argument that SANATHANA DHARM is itself not native to BHARATH. Papisthan has certainly no hope. It’s heading for implosion and disintegration.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit
@@muhamedismailpm8672 better to search about origin of rape jihad born inbred cousin rapist ganduudin namazi aashiq gay rasool Muslim 🐖 in Indian subcontinent on Wikipedia first as how qasim ghori ghazni Babar Aurangzeb nadir Shah abdali Arab Turk Irani Afghans raped and converted begairat behaya ghasti mughaliya musalmina ammi khala baaji of urs 😂😂😂😂
I don't think we know whether Sanskrit is from India. It is very rare that India has originated much. India, however, has been a town square of culture influences. That is India has always imbibed foreign ideas, thoughts, and improvised it and spread across the world.
@@srinisbir8781 BHRATH is the epicentre of DHARMIC civilisation and culture and Sanskrit 🕉️ is integral to it. You may blabber as much gibberish as you want and none cares.
@@muhamedismailpm8672
What's in this Wikipedia article?
Sir, you missed the forest for the trees. Whereas Muslims in India have grown in percentage since independence, the minorities in Pakistan have been quite nearly eliminated. You cannot argue numbers and give an alternative spin to it.
In bangladesh Hindus were 10.5 % in 2011 and now in 2023 it has gone down to 7.5%
This series is basically apology tour. Acknowledging Mis-deeds of past Muslims and desire to lead future Muslims down a corrected path. Uneducated or misinformed comments about BJP/ hindutva just shows under the facade Hindu hatred is still intact.
The Black Hole is a ray of hope in Pakistan! If Pakistan really wants to progress then we must face reality discuss our issues frankly openly and without fear! ☮️❤️🙏
_Sir, This Is Not A Ray Of Hope. Ye Diya Bhujhne Se Pahle Jo Fafakta Hai. Ye Wahi Hai._
_Abhi Indía Me Híndútvà Powér Badh Rha Hai. Théy Are Becomíng Intolérànt In Reaction To What Íslàmísts Has Done In Pàst & Still Doíng._
_Ab Indían Me Híndutvà Jo Krega Uske Reactíon Me Pakístàn Me Réàctíon Badhéga._
_Apke Politícàl Partíes Bhí Rélígíon Càrd Khélnà Suru Krdi Hai. Ab Ràdícàlísm Aur Badhéga._
_Bést Thíng Abóut Indía Is, Hamare Institutions Stróng Hai. Hamaré Mínoríty Véry Stróng Hài. Yaha Freédóm Of Spééch Hai Aur Jyada Log Educàtéd Hàin._
_Sir, Pakístan Has Done Wróng Things At Ríght Tíme In Past. And Now It Is Trying To Do Ríght Thing On Wróng Time._
_I'm Not An Expért. But, Understanding Says Things Are Gonna Worsen._
_Aap Achanak Sab Kuch Tabdil Nhi Kr Skte. Indigestion Hoga. Indeed These Are Good Things, People Don't Understand Values Of Democracy, Liberalism, Secularism, Free Speech._
_Division & Dissent Is Rising In Pak & Globe. Only Army Can Control It. Unfortunately, When U Need An Army Rúlé The Most. You Wanna To Wéàkén Army Rólé In Pólitícs & Move Towàrd Democracy._
_Sir, U Polítícàl Pàrties Dón't Understand How To Rulé In Democracy, Neither Ur People. It Will Lead To Cívíl Cónflíct In Pàk._
Best Thing About India Was. Jab Hamare Dono Mulk Ke Fundamental Strong Krne K Period The. Tab India Me Congress Party Thi. It Gave A Good Foundation.
Ab Jab India Ko Strong Foundation Ke Sath Agressive Hone Ka Wakt Aya Hai Tab Nationalist Party Power Me Hai.
Hamare Foundation Itne Strong Hain Ki. Agar Kuch Galti Bhi Hoti Hai To Sambhal Jayenge.
In Case Of Pakístan, Foundation Was So Confused Aur Ab Galti Kro Ya Sahi Kro. Sambhalna Muskil Hai.
@@KararaJawaab
Illusions!
Pity what a shameful comment it is. Says a lot about Pakistani mindset
I do not understand, in 1971, their Muslim brothers separated because they did not get social, cultural, economic, political rights. The one who cannot give rights to his own muslim people,, is talking about minorities future. 😀👍
Any ideology that is based on hatred of “others” will always have intolerance towards everyone else. It is common sense.
But you reap what you sow. You cannot sow seeds of hate and expect a harvest of love.
India me 5% se 25% ho gye musalmaan. Pakistan me 25% se 5% ho gye hindu.
Kab tha 5% bhai.?????
@@sitanshusaran 1950
They can't do math let em live
As an educator I feel all the Leadership of non Muslims should join hands in abolishing the age old stagnant System of Feudalism which is the root of all Evils,
Half truth is worse than a lie
Sir, we started questioning GANDHI-NEHRU.. Combo, in 2014 and now you have begun in, 2024..well start.. Hope it sustains..
Sanskrit india ki hai.
Tumne kha research btati h ki Sanskrit bahar se ai h lekin research ka reference nahi diya.
Do ge kha se, esi koi research hui hi nahi h, jhooth fela rahe ho bs.
Shame on you
1:21:00
Sir secularism will be there, go read RSS books, separation of religion and state would remain. We the non-left/Hindutvaites want to establish a civilizational state just like China, but with Israel style. We want Congress who are Cultural Marxist to go away. Ever read any text book of India?? It bashes only hindusim and praises Muslims history we want to correct that and that is our long view. We want India to be like Israel just bigger and stronger.
Bishop sir is the best speaker in this video
Pervez Hoodbhoy you have many misconceptions of India. BJP party has been in rule for at least 30 years. There are many states with non BJP governments today. BJP has given a more vibrant economy and progress in these 30 years. Not sure of the sources of your information.
Lucky to be born in India where there is no hatred in text books instead it teaches the love ,harmony and consider entire world as family.. Pakistan is the use case what happens to nations where hate is prominent against others. others should learn from this.. I see many people in hall even not interested in discussions and busy on mobiles.. this shows most of them can't even tolerate discussion about minorities, so sad.
Individuals rarely discriminate against each other on a day-to-day bases, but when you lump them together in a group they become bullies and start discriminating against minorities especially in the absence of democracy.
One example is Pakistan which lacks true democracy till today, the other Israel which has had un-interrupted elections since its birth. Israel's Arab population is about 21%, of which Muslims are 17%, yet they enjoy full freedoms as any Israeli citizen.
Nope Islamic training is the root cause, the extent of Uskam in politics is also a root cause
Sad to see the minority conditions of Pakistan 🇵🇰
wow .. they found 2 of Pakistans endangered species to show up on the show … great job 👏
Wrong facts by Pervez.Sanskrit is not from Indian continent. Misleading. Then where else Sanskrit has still have usage other than Indian continent.
Poonja Gokuldas Meghji, was the paternal grandfather of Muhammad Ali Jinnah and Fatima Jinnah. He was a Hindu from Paneli village in Gondal state in Kathiawar who embraced Islam.
This is true of all citizens of present Pakistan, who adopted Islam due to fear and coercion.
Indian minorities are doing well in all fields of endeavor and pursuit.
We have had Muslim Generals and Air Marshals.Industrialists ,CEOs et al because we are a liberal democracy.
Pakistan has a long way to go.Start by rewriting your school books where hatred is inculcated in young minds.
Let minorities live
The oppressive state of mind remains in 99% of the Muslim states and they never had a secular thinking. The west is much better as everyone is allowed to practice whatever they wish. All Muslim states are at least 1000 years back in their thinking, research and progression. All religions allow reasoning except Islam. I tried to procure Quran in English language, I was promised 4-5 times by their promoters in the Universities, however, never got it. I have numerous Muslim friends and they are fantastic in their dealings and we do not discuss religion. Islam is the most misunderstood religion due to their preachers (Mulas) and rulers. Al other religions are scared of Islam and do not talk about them due to their terror and Jihad.
No one is scared of Islam and many millions of Muslims are amazing.
Parvez Hoodbhoy is making fool this time.
I Had lot of respect for him.Mr Rathi is justify why they are treated like this in Pakistan.
1:19:35 Aaryan Invasion ko sabit kare or Jaipur dilogue UA-cam channel se 500000 ka Inam pay....🙏
I would like to hear more from Bishop Samuel Azariah! He has a lot of valid points and wisdom to share.
Prof Hoodbhoy is a
Muslim through and through
There are more Hindus analyzing this video than Muslims (from Pakistan or otherwise). I am worried if Muslims disengage themselves from these discussions, then not much is going to be achieved in terms of secularism.
Expecting Indian (or any another) Muslims to be concerned about how minorities are treated in Pakistan is asking for the moon. Secularism as practised in India is just about walking on tiptoe around Muslim sensitivities while trampling Hindu concerns underfoot. Just take the case of state control of Hindu temples. Only in India would the Catholic Church be the second or third largest landholder just behind the railways and defence
@@rameshsnayar this is only in Tamil Nadu.
this sanatani uncle is talking outof fear.
Dr. parvez sir, on the question of kindness towards Sikhs in Pakistan, I would not say that you have lied, but I would definitely like to say that you missed telling the truth. In fact, in the context of Khalistan, Sikhs suit Pakistani Muslims, so there is no special hatred towards them in Pakistan today. 🙏
Mr Hoodbhai needs to read more about linguistic and DNA migration theories before even concluding , he failed as basic physicist, which requires proof before concluding , I am not doubting his credentials in physics but in other areas it is not the same
haha so true , I dropped the video after that shit
See audience, a handful in such a small auditorium. This shows and proves the interest of common pakistanies in such rational intelligent discourse. This country is bound to live on hateread and ultimately DOOM!
I like the effort to find reconciliation and attempt to introspect into problems with identifying only with a religion that people converted into. But the argument that Sanskrit came from outside, isn’t substantiated by evidence or logic. But that is a moot point for this discussion.
Actually Jinnah had no vision he had been acting on advice of British to divide sub continental
Finally someone intelligent who’s pakistani
Thus, Ayesha Jalal wrote something in her PhD thesis which is just wrong that Jinnah was a secularist. In that case her PhD degree should be cancelled.
Nothing will be happen because all these teaching came from Holy Book... If need to improve then they have to boycott the teaching of the book...otherwise Dil Behlane Ke Khyal Acha Hai GALIB....
Pakistan jab dafault hono ke kagar pr h to ab pakistan log hindu muslim ke समझौता kar rahe h
How big intellectuals or scientist their mindset revolve around and doesn’t go beyond Islam.
Inhe BJP se badi mirchi lagti hai. Acha hai.
PLEASE BE CAREFUL PROF HOODBHOY, WHEN TALKING ABOUT INDIAN HISTORY...PLEASE DO NOT SAY THINGS YOU ARE NOT SURE ABOUT...I KNOW YOU ARE AN INTELLECTUAL, BUT EVEN YOU CAN MAKE A SERIOUS MISTAKE.....SANSKRIT AND IRANIAN LANGUAGE ARE CLOSELY LINKED, AND SANSKRIT IS FROM INDIA, INFACT FROM YOUR OWN REGION....I AM APPALLED AT THE NON CHALANT WAY IN WHICH YOU 'CLAIM' HISTORY ABOUT INDIA
God bless you all
Rathi Saheb, why are you speaking unde fear? Speak like the Bishop, who said the truth with emotion.
WESTERN BEST And MUSLIM LEAST is the slogan what is stuffed in all Pakistanis irrespective of the faith, which shows the mindset of the Western Civilized world,
That's why we now see Pakistani Diaspora sitting in foreign countries, but All the millions of people whether Muslim or non Muslims are fleeing the dilemma is that the world could not and would not accommodate millions of people from Pakistan, they have already too many problem in their own country,
Let us not critisize Hoodoo bhai.. We too had such hoodie in our country,... Irfan bhai😀😀😀
Few chairs filled.... Shows the seriousness on the matter...
If the main obstacle is the Religion then why is it that the Christians hold mass prayers, etc, healing with Dua, etc,
May god have mercy on Pakistan's minorities.
The country formed on the basis of religion will be secular is the biggest irrational statement 👍
Sanskrit is indian not iranian
The minority speakers speak with great refrain of fear not to displease the majority
It would have been more useful if they spoke with more courage
Zafar ullah appointed Foreign Minister after Quaid death but he is first Foreign Minister it is history
Great Bishop ji good explanation Christianity
I am disagree with indin Muslims dosnt have equal rights since BJP in power, Kindly advise one single amendment in indain constitution (like PAK did ) which is provove any discrimination in any mainority . Till date not any hindu religious chapter included in indain education syllabus , we did not mixup relejion and modern education.
Sorry but it's true , some of Pakistani may not much radical but definitely they have hetret against india
Black hole discussions are truly honest and enlightening. I have listened to all and each one taught me something. Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy may your tribe grow.
If Sanskrit came from Iran then why there is no one there who use Sanskrit or why there is no Sanskrit literature?
Al Bairuni visiting Indian subcontinent mentioned it his Book Kitab al Hind in 16th century, wrote that here in India there are two distinct Civilization Muslim and Hidu Civilization, the only way they can coexist is either to conquer one over the other, or to expel the other out of Indian subcontinent,
My ancestors also migrated from Dera Gauzi Khan, rather they were forced to move, consider Jinnah as villain of Indian History.
Agree with bishop😍
1:48:12 Is it so that all Insan are same in Islam, then who are Kafirs ?
Very interesting to hear that Samskrit came from outside to India. If so, do we find any language (outside India) that matches not just few vocabularies, but grammar, phonetics and other aspects of a language?.
Of course not. It's only the indian languages that matches sanskrit in all the aspects mentioned above.
It's a wonderful well developed language completely developed in India. By engaging little but if common sense, it can be proved. No need to go beyond that.
These are bunch of fools and not educated in linguistic. They read romula thapar and accept aryanninvationntheory which is cooked up europian.
Don't argue with Pakistanis, they are at least 500 years behind Indians (even Indian Muslims) in terms of intellectual and social evolution.
See the name of youtube channel then thumbnail
Reason why I don't take him seriously
You will never see HC verma doing such things on his youtube channel.
That's the hollow churning of muslim society in Indian subcontinent; living a failed dream to make it Islamic and vulgarity of Jannat.
This reformative churn is going to produce " " at all, much like Jannat dreams of all of the muslim society.
In Holy Quran Kareem , Chapter , The Women, Verse.36.
Mongal Badashaha Akbar the great was ahesamand to marry large number Hindu young girls but his tremendous memory and great generosity could not find any time or kindness to marry young girls from his his empire or from his friends' Janana. Well he was quite busy Badashah to much engrossed to waste his valuable time in such trivia..
his friend's to young subjects of his empire 😅😮😮😮
Qq
The aryan invasion theory has been one of the most controversial historical topics for well over a century. However, it should be pointed out that it remains just that - a theory. To date no hard evidence has proven the aryan invasion theory to be fact. In this essay we will explain the roots of this hypothesis and how, due to recent emergence of new evidence over the last couple of decades, the validity of the aryan invasion theory has been seriously challenged.
It is indeed ironic that the origin of this theory does not lie in Indian records, but in 19th Century politics and German nationalism. No where in the Vedas, Puranas or Itihasas is there any mention of a Migration or Invasion of any kind. In 1841 M.S. Elphinstone, the first governor of the Bombay Presidency, wrote in his book History of India:
'It is opposed to their (Hindus) foreign origin, that neither in the Code (of Manu) nor, I believe, in the Vedas, nor in any book that is certainly older than the code, is there any allusion to a prior residence or to a knowledge of more than the name of any country out of India. Even mythology goes no further than the Himalayan chain, in which is fixed the habitation of the gods... .To say that it spread from a central point is an unwarranted assumption, and even to analogy; for, emigration and civilization have not spread in a circle, but from east to west. Where, also, could the central point be, from which a language could spread over India, Greece, and Italy and yet leave Chaldea, Syria and Arabia untouched? There is no reason whatever for thinking that the Hindus ever inhabited any country but their present one, and as little for denying that they may have done so before the earliest trace of their records or tradition
Dr,. Sahib. You are 95/. True. My. Father. Was. Lived in. Lahore. Before 1947
Sorry Dr Hoodbhoy
You are too influenced by the Marxist leftists combine. BJP has not included hate in our school curriculum like Pakistan has done. They are including our pre Mughal history so that our children understand the true history of India.
I have been a teacher and curriculum designer for 30 years; I would never include hatred for any community in my work. But I do want our children to learn about our very ancient history, culture and heritage.
You have a huge following in India Sir but please drop the prejudice. There is a reason for the BJP to be democratically elected. Time for all of us to look within.
Partition not only divided land but also created hatred.
Will Hon abl respected Prof Hoodboy enlighten me why Mr Jinha gave a call for Calcutta killing in Aug 1946.Mr Surwlrthy was promoted to implement it where Bangabandhu Mujibar took part. We Hindu Muslims living happily
In rule of Islamic state, others were jimi....3rd class citizens who will play taxes to be alive
Hindus and Sikhs were 23 percent in 1950 and now it is around 1 percent.
India has 25 crores muslims and pak has may be 2500 hindus !! That is the difference!!
There are 8 million Hindus in Pakistan and there numbers are increasing.
Jo bhagh Sakta tha Bhagh gaya !!
Abi Sirf Minorities hi nhy Majority bhi yaha se ja rahi h
2022 7.8 lacs people left
2021 6.7 lakh People left
You want to know How A state is strong and working well just see How the State is treating the minorities
Not All good byes are Difficult
Like Good bye Pakistan 🌙