Whenever I hear Pakistani intellectuals, I don't get angry, in fact I feel reassured about how much ahead we are. But I am aware we are far from perfect and have a long way to go. But atleast we are moving in the right direction unlike the frozen mindset of Pakistan. Thank God for that.
@@naimsiddiqui4216 Wrong!! Vulnerable Pakistan is harmful to India. this is a Lahori churan sold to us by Pakistani and so-called liberals in India. we don't care what happens to Pakistan.
You are right. India is way more ahead of Pakistan in intelligence n intellectual discourse. That's why very late n hardly reacts to Pakistani aggression
@@MunawarAzaad2025 react and come down to level of Pakistan? Lol.. we will answer in a way it can never recover.. why was it in grey list? Why is US ignoring it & not giving money? Why has CPEC stopped? Why are people in backward states like KPK running after food trucks for lack of food?
I have studied in an IIT and can confirm that most of us were from the middle and lower middle class. The trend caught up even more when the entrance exam was offered in Hindi. In hindsight, the social mobility such institutions offer is remarkable. Truth be told- we in India have miles to go. Will be a long way before we are out of the woods.
After reading this statement I am assure everyone that he not an IIT alumina, but for your knowledge as well I want to illuminate you on what he is trying to say here is not that IIT is a bad institution but the problems it solves or its purpose is to give benefits to elite, or make more of them in the society, as the name itself give the edge irrespective of knowledge or performance. You can check this from student loans given to the amount of package offered and also after passing out what that student is bringing to the society or which problem is he solving. Stop talking like a privilege person that if you can't afford bread than why don't you buy cake. Also you know very well, what is the ratio of people qualifying IIT without any coaching or help and how much these exam qualifying institution cost a common man.
@@Mrigank0819the argument was lower class can't get to iit and it's totally wrong. You can check it by how many students are from middle class or lower class background which will turn out to be majorities. The upper class usually gets admission into ashoka university or narshee monji or ms ramiah... Etc or abroad. So if you think lower class people don't take coaching classes, you're wrong there too. In your personal experience, you may have found some people who didn't. But your experience isn't the reality and you can confirm that by looking at the data.
Amazed to see that this Pakistani program is being followed and commented by Indians. this reflects the mindset of Pakistani youngsters. a Pakistani villager i am and can say that education cannot be reformed in Pakistan. From a jobless PhD in Pakistan. cheers!
move to Singapore, malaysia, dubai, qatar, oman, bahrain, saudi and come back, you'll get a job, go to the gym and take showers, you'll have better marriage prospects, yes it is a sad state of affairs, but you should go in groups and come back in groups
Calling IIT as an institution of an elite class doesn't stand even near to reality. IITs have students who come from all the backgrounds from elite to subaltern. What makes them accessible is the state subsidies and the quality of research. India has a long way to go, still we have something to brag about is our subsidized education, which made us reach here, where we stand today.
Another Indian here, it definitely is an institution of elite in another way. It comprises the best of best of Indian students, the quality of education after top 30-40 colleges drops very noticeably. If rest of our education system fails to match IIT quality then it becomes a problem, we are creating IIT vs rest situation where IITians get all the best but rest have to make do with whatever is availible.
All Iitians didn’t come from rich elite background but became elite in ntellectual sense! There was a difference between their achievements and rank and file engineers. It’s just like Harvard, MIT Oxford of West. Ofcourse alumni connection matters!
@@rajeevsharma8024 Oh Dear. You see that's not the case always or more often than not. Being "elite" is about the choices which you make, not about the institutes which you study. If someone gets a degree through IIT and decides to join some RTI movement isn't an elite least of all is that he is working for a ground level movement but a private institute student who decides to become a CEO of the world's biggest software firm can be elite. So it's about choices not the institutes. Personally I don't believe that there is something elite or less elite it's all about perspectives one looks into the world after all what we all have to be is a good human being who is kind to everyone. Thank you.
Dr. Altaf should update his awareness of Indian Education system. Leave alone IITs and IIMs, which are filled with middle class and lower middle class students, due to reservation system.Even sizable IAS and IPS officers hail from Bihar and UP. Dr. Hoodbhai is correct, unless the bottom of pyramid is strong, it would collapse.
@surya narayanan Maybe coaching classes are expensive but the folks who pay for it aren't some landlords. They pour every penny of what they earn into the child's education and unlike what the guest speaker was saying know the education system works and his child will make it.
Well most IIT graduates we had recruited are from obscure towns and villages. Kids are working very hard to crack JEE, their passport out of poverty. At least 50% would be from Andhra and Bihar, the two backward states in the south and the North of India. Now of course Andhra is surging ahead. Thanks to IIT.
@@hawkingdawking4572 we have rational and critical and rational thinkers like vikash divyakirti sir not like altaf who is far from reality .... and talking about shiv lingam i know for you its a fun thing to make jokes about others religion looks like thats what your religion taught to you ....
@@hawkingdawking4572and we really don't need vidyabharti we already have jawahar novodaya vidyalas and our primary govt. funded schools are also doing well in rural areas there is more checking more nutritional foods are being provided to kids for free..... in my state up every person whoose yearly sallary is lower than certain range get 25 kg atta 25 kg Rice 1 litre oil 1 kg chana, for free ..... so you can cryy on say allah allah and yeah your country is world's no. 1 supreme conqurer 🎉🎉🎉 congooo to youu
Pakistani education cannot be reformed because of people like Anjum Altaf. His only pleasure is taking pleasure in all negative news from India, magnifying it and delighting in it. Very educative
I do subscribe to the view point that it is only the political movement which can prove to be catalyistic. Such like discussions in itself is a major step. Keep it up sir.
It is wrong to say that IITs and IIMs are elitist. The admission there is based on merit. A lot of poor and rural students make it to the IITs. Yes, there are a lot of bad colleges in India. But, the quality of graduates gets sorted out based on merit in the industry. There is a fierce competition for opportunities among the 1.4 billion Indians, which forces every one to compete on merit.
It is elitist because you can't get in IIT without coaching and 2 years of IIT coaching in Kota cost around 5 to 6 lakhs rupees which is hard for 50% of population
@@shubhamkumarjha4469 But even if let's say, magically, poor people's kids are given entry into Tier-1 universities, they still will have to pay fees. How will they pay that? Then you will say give them scholarship, but wouldn't giving too many scholarships shut down the education system itself? This is like saying that a rickshaw-wala's son should be given the opportunity to become Ambani purely on basis of education - sorry but it cannot happen in one generation.
Since almost 90% Muslims voted for the partition and the Two Nation Theory in 1946, most Muslim population should have relocated to Pakistan. Muslim Soch: Chit bhi meri, Pat bhi meri!
This guy Mr. Anjum needed to get a Doctorate from Stanford to show his "Closet India-bashing" skills (!??!) -- well matches his counterparts in other fields from such "Hi-fi" places like Oxford (Imran Khan) and Harvard (Bilawal) etc etc 😁😁 I APPLAUD you Hoodbhoy sahab for showing us a sample "luminary" of your system... 👍🙏
The foundation of the success of the Indian technocrats are the CBSE and the Central schools. Only when 35-40 lakhs students come out of the CBSE schools will you get quality engineers and doctors. The competition is intense. That is what Pakistan needs to replicate
Lol Veera Muthuvel the project director of Chandrayan 3 is a government school pass out and a diploma holder from an unknown college to most Indians and not from your elite CBSE or CS schools . So is the case of Dr Sivan the last Director of ISRO or Dr Mailsamy AnnaDurai the predecessor of Dr Sivan who served as ISRO chief or APJ Abdul Kalam the missile man , poet and statesman of India
What a wonderful discourse, though some of our friends from across the border have taken an obvious offence to the facts and figures quoted. But I am well and truly impressed by the objectivity of the talk and the clarity with which questions were raised and answered. Seldom one expects such a complex social issue to be analysed with such precision, single-mindedness, and candidness. Finally, both Dr Altaf and Dr Hoodbhoy have demonstrated remarkable grace, integrity, and politeness. 👋👋👋👋
Sir ,our average graduates knows more than this expert ,so they know facts and figures well bcoz of utube and its knowledgeable utube shorts, so we daily face data and facts ,when your so called intellectuals don't deliver then what's the status of students😅
the speaker is right there is a great disparity about public schools through out the country. You can find disparities among public schools where almost the equal amount of money spent on poor performing schools and good performing schools but the difference comes from the neighbourhood and the income.
@@shubhamkumarjha4469 Kendriya Vidyalayas in many states are actually better than private schools. Many of my batchmates from the South were from KVs. And many private schools are not that costly (for example, my ICSE school fees in the 1990s was around 1,000 pm)
Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy should be made tge education minister of Pakistan and given full powers to refom education and take action against people who try to obstruct the reforms. He is an honest and sincere person who holds excellent ideas on education and most academic matters. I am convinced that he can certainlybrepirm Pski education if given a free hand.
he is partially correct about pathetic situation of public education in India (mainly in Hindi belt), however the real truth is that everyone lower middle class and above don't use them and get private education. Public education (up to 10) is mostly availed by poor classes and that too for nutrition (free midday meal.)
Bhaktiyar Khilji burnt Nalanda University's library and burnt it for months until the last book got burnt, according to his own historians, saying we have one asmani-kitab and that is all we need. If you consider yourself descendants of such people, education will not come easily.
ChatGPT owned by Microsoft does have a bias towards Western thinking. India should develop its own tools, so that people are not totally brainwashed by western imperial thinking. China saw the dangers of relying on western software tools and developed their own search and social media tools. 🙏🏾🇮🇳🙏🏽
Most of the students going to IITs, IIMs, AIIMs are from middle class & lower middle class, Upper class mostly directly go to the foreign because they have the money, ASER is a rural India Survey not urban for foundational literacy. Even most of the rural kids come to the town schools for education only the most backward & poor who could not afford education enroll themselves in rural Government schools but Govt. is trying to make rural education right at the village at par with Urban schools. Hunger index is not about 'hunger' otherwise India has the world s largest food security program available to every BPL families at marginal rates under the National Food Security act.
They released press freedom index and ranked india below Pakistan where media houses only publish news items sanctioned by ISPR, and below Taliban ruled Afghanistan too. I think we all know what these indexes are for, for clue Google America USAID shennainingans in Hungary.
Brilliant discussion!!! Thanks for remembering BR, BB, and NC. Most of all thanks for presumably keeping the spirit of KM alive. And yes, we in India have light years to go.
Dear black hole team, you are producing excellent content. Kindly consider putting your content in the audio podcast form, where they can be downloaded and easily listened to while driving or doing other chores.
Very educative talk. Inspite of such brilliant people in our countries we refuse to learn and progress. We need to have many black holes in our countries. Unfortunately black hole should not be where you lose all the ilm in it
Never understood why Pakistani intellectuals invariably start talking about and comparing with India even when the subject being discussed is primarily about Pakistan. Get the feeling the true Pakistani identity is only in comparison with India and cannot stand on its own!
If we define Pakistan it means not India. So if India is good or doing good by definition us Pakistanis have to be bad. So stop it India. At least stop blaming us
Tere gaon mein hoga aisa. Not saying india is best but comparison should be best vs best, average vs average and worst vs worst…Aur sab mein india is much much better than Pakistan
@@Bengalifirst Ye Sab Mai Kya Sun Rha Hu.😳 Ye Survey Kidhar Ho Rhe Hain? Mai Bhi Gaav Se Hu. Mere Pas Aaj Bhi Apna Ghar Nhi Hai.😢 Ek Saans Me 10-15 Line Fir Bhi Bol Skta Hu.😢
Can anyone... May Allahkarim bless us all with His' love' help' light' and protection' ... Reforming the education system is the lifeline of our society... Yet suicidal tendencies prevail upon our thoughts... We have to have our guides in our control... Save Democracy with the help of a reformed system of education
I propose that philanthropic foundations and civil society organizations unite to establish thousands of public libraries in each and every town in Pakistan. This will promote literacy and encourage children and adults to read books. The libraries will also teach people computer skills. In addition, the libraries will organize seminars on topics of public interest including healthcare, literature, history, music, the arts, and community matters. In all advanced countries, public libraries play a key role in the intellectual development of the people. We can do the same in Pakistan. And we don't need the government to do it for us. It can be done through self-help.
Many here seem to be missing the point about IITs...Dr Altaf wasn't implying that IIT has been created to educate the Indian elite, rather that the elite has the incentive and drive to train rest of the masses to grow the local economy.
From my experience in Canada, I remember not being able to adjust from high school level to college, as for studying and succeding in exams. I know many students faced those challenges. I assume maybe I was not into studies or not given the proper training. Not blaming, but stating my journey. After many years and with maturity, I received my diploma and degree. I also worked full time, unlike my youth years. This was achieved through time management, being organized and having confidence in asking questions to my instructor or peers.
If this is how they are goin* to bring a difference in their society, by spreading misinformation about India, tab toh hogayi development Pakistan ki. Good luck!😅
There were no such universities but Budhist schools. Ask your Hindu bosses called Rajputs (or Huns in reality) why they destroyed Taxila. I am waiting till you come back with an answer.
@@hawkingdawking4572 Huns were Greeks..they did not destroy the univ but the destruction was a result of the decline of their empire..also vedic texts, linguistics, law, astronomy and reasoning was taught there (Frazier and Flood, 2011, P.34)
Pakistanis should sit down and ask what they want to be in 2040/2050. Don’t waste time comparing yourself with India or anyone or talk about Muslim superiority or supremacy. Just sit down and ask where you are going and where you want to be.
Liaquat Ali Khan imposed a 25 per cent tax on business profits over one lakh rupees, doubled corporate tax, imposed capital gains tax, and doubled export duty on tea. The budget also proposed a commission to unearth tax evaders. Socialists in Congress supported these proposals. But others like Patel were outraged, claiming Liaquat Ali Khan was really attacking Hindu businessmen (like GD Birla, Jamnalal Bajaj and Walchand) who had long financed Congress. Liaquat Ali Khan had the power to block any expenditure. He constantly queried and blocked spending proposals of Congress Ministers. Sardar Patel is reported to have said that he could not even appoint a peon without Liaquat's approval, which took ages. Hindu businessmen also feared that Liaquat would selectively target them for tax evasion via the new commission, a fear some Congressmen shared. Liaquat's tactics proved successful. Ultimately, the conduct of Liaquat Ali Khan apparently convinced Patel and Nehru that working with the Muslim League was impossible. It is also said that Nehru and Patel accepted Partition because "by conceding Pakistan to Jinnah, they would have no more of him and eliminate his nuisance value; or as Nehru put it privately, that by 'cutting the head we shall get rid of headache.'
Sardar Patel agreed for parition due to Muslims leagues killing of innocent Hindus in Kolkata as thier naked gundagardi during direct action dayin 1946,Sardar Patel view that after independence it will be difficult to run the country, Muslims wil pose obstacles in every step against government functioning,so he said number of times to Muslims go to Pakistan after independence
I studied at Delhi University 65-68. History has weightage to the Delhi Sultanate and Mughal period. Little weightage given to South India or East Indian rulers.
Satya Nadella is not from IIT. Besides IITs we have NITs, IIITs, IISC, TIFR, BITS and many other research and technical institutes. Then there are AIIMS and NIDs and IIMs. Then we have good humanities universities and colleges too. Ajay banga president of the world bank is from DU and IIM. So India is more than IITs.
The Pakistani view of the world and everything non muslim amazes me.... Dr. Saab well you your self have proved that even education cant enlighten a jihadist mindset....
Mr Anjum doesn't want to reform Pakistani education system, he only wants to have some satisfaction by pointing out that many things are also bad in India.
When they have decided that they cannot reform their own education system. The easy way is to bash the Indian Union education system which is a concurrent subject between the state government and the union government in Delhi and feel happy after the misrepresentation of the progress and attribute it to the ellite of India rather than realising that education is normalised to all Indian Kids
Sir India launched a huge campaign for educating its masses right after the independence, especially the girl child’s education. From the start itself India pushed for modernisation of its educational curriculum. Schools were setup at the village level and incentives like free education for all children along with books and even mid day meals were granted by successive governments. Colleges and Research institutions were set up for every field that would ensure India’s future success. It’s because of such concerted, integrated and continuous efforts that India was able to fight illiteracy that was left by the British. These efforts were backed up by social reforms to create an atmosphere of openness, inclusiveness and tolerance. That’s why today we have children from all parts of the country that enter our engineering, medical, legal, IT , fashion design, acting …. colleges and universities. India’s bureaucracy (IAS) is made up of people from all walks of life from across the country. While the government created IITs, IIMs, RECs, AIIMSs, NIFTs etc. private business groups like the Tatas, Birla, Bajaj and many others created some of the finest institutions to nurture India’s academic aspirations. Please don’t quote these shady and biased foreign surveys about India’s failure, as its amply evident that India’s reforms have touched and improved our masses more than many countries and especially much much more than of Pakistan.
I watch Hoodbhoy's videos quite often. I find Hoodbhoy very knowledgeable and "a bit" objective in his views about India. I say "a bit" objective as in his talks I am constantly reminded that on every topic that Hoodbhoy talks about he is always talking about Pakistan in comparison with India. That is the mindset of every Pakistani regardless of how educated, informed, or objective they are. And that sense of wistfulness come through very clearly when they bring up this comparison. This is, undoubtedly, borne out by an unmistakable, and ever deepening sense of inferiority complex whenever they are talking about things that matter in the modern world. And, as India grows by leaps and bounds, while Pakistan is sinking deeper in its own morass, this sense of inferiority complex is getting worse as time passes.
At the onset I would say that. 25%. improvement can be done within a year or two if Islamiyat. and Pakistan studies are removed from school and college syllabus. I was shocked to learn that these are taught in medical and Engineering colleges. In India there is no religious teaching in Educational institutions
@@existentialbaby Ashish Vasvani did his Btech from BITS Pilani, Niki Parmar graduated from Pune Institute of Computer Technology...after that they went to USC
@@existentialbaby The US is open to all nationalities provided you work within their framework. They don't set a precondition to convert to Christianity.
Dr Altaf is very defensive about everything! He changes topic and goes back to India instead of changing educational system of Pakistan! Not in million years Pakistan can catch up with any country ahead!
Please note that one of the state ir Karnataka has introduced ' Super 30 ' model in Engineering college Education where by 1 subject ie one branch of Engineering in 1 Engineering college of the district is selected and funded to raise to the standard of IIT. The additional rooms/lab equipment/Books. These teachers are trained by IIT to impart quality education.This if it makes necessary impact other disciplines of Engineering will be taken up. Quality of education is important. Look at Government school in Delhi where students get best education. It depends on the political will and long time objectives
Anjum Altaf was mostly though not always objective when talking of general issues with education. Completely lost it when it came to India and Hindus. These people get a cerebral palsy. 😂
Ironically, Jinnah helped India by separating the large population with Jihadi mindset from India. This allowed India to focus on education and economy. Today, most Indians are happy about the partition. 🙏🏽🇮🇳🙏🏾
He is very pissed that our students will read less of Mughals and more about Cholas and Vijayanagara Kingdoms. I would love for Pak to teach their kids, who their ancestors were and how they got converted (hint: "not peacefully")
Antiquated thinkers feel that The solutions are always top down. Always look to the government for answers. These kind of old schoolers and central planners who want to bestow more power of decision making with the state.
I am a product of IIT and IIM, and in our classes, we had less than 10% who would be considered they were from wealthy families…I myself was from lower to mid middle class. It was because the government had subsidised the fees and hostels to a large extent that I was able to do both. The NIT’s for engineering and the multiple medical schools are a testament to the fact that india has some of the best medical skills in the world and a thriving tech startup system. So that professor is wrong that 80% of Indian schools are crap….I would say this is closer to 30% rather than 80%. JNU needs a complete wipeout IMO, as it has become a completely useless university where folks continue to do PhDs for decades at a time…in useless subjects and on government money, As to “saffronisation”, this is being done to correct the history again IMO….if history was being incorrectly taught, it does need to be changed. No one is removing Mughal history, they are presenting Mughal history in a neutral light,….ie not romanticising it, but present the truth. No one is removing sciences or changing science to a belief system. Anyway only time will tell in the next 2 decades if the changes being brought into the text books are going to progress india or not.
I didn't understand hunger index.. Because in india government gives free ration every month to 800 million people......Free education with mid day meal schemes already feeding millions of kids every day in every part of the country...... Akshay patra feeding million+ kids every day......
World press freedom Index shows 2023 Shows Afghanistan is way ahead from India🤣😂 So,if one can easily imagine that what is the credibility regarding such bias reports.
This guy does not know that IIT’s were created much later. Just one IIT Kharagpur came into existence in 1951. All other institutes came in sixties and seventies.
His whole analysis of Indian school and education system in India is based on hunger index made by 5 people in western countries & gives pakistan better ranking in hunger index where people are dying in stampede just to get 1 bag of AATA. I am convinced every university 🎓 in pakistan is affiliated to Labbaik ya rasool Allah university. 😂
Even Indian kids are stunted. People in Pakistan do not force vegetarism on other and in household, which is quite common in India. Even India current government accepted that and said they are proud that atleast they are vegetarian.
Again false information here, he is trying to mix two points together said in a different context. Hunger index is absolutely true on some points and it is an open secret now that nutritional is not provided in the Primary education center especially after the removal of egg from menu. And as for primary education center whoever is reading this comment just try and look at education center in your area and also if you yourself are ready to send your child there to get educated, if not than my case is closed.
Shi in chutiyo ko ye bhi nhi pta hoga ki hunger index bnata kon h Germany or ek dusri country ke ngo bnate h. Or naam world hunger dete h jaise ye kisi world organisation ne bnaya ho😀😀😀
@@vinsin328 You are correct. India has at present more poor people (less than 1.9$ a day) than whole of sub saharan africa. Only south India is well to do. The north Indians - which I would club with pakistanis - have bonded labour and no land reforms except in Bengal.
The circles are inverted in my view. Culture from education determines politics which determines economics and business. His overall premise is an interesting construct. Looking back, I perfectly see this premise played out in past by Congress and it's intellectuals as well as playing out currently in India by BJP. The government schools run in India are indeed of poor standard and people go to private schools, but there is now a large focus to allocate resources and bring corporate sponsorships to government schools and improve quality. The education dominated by English based learning impacting future earning potential of children is reality and reason for current standing of India in index. There is a difference in seeking education for pure wisdom versus economic development of both individuals/family. The needs/basics are same only to a level or degree after which it vastly differs in terms of need for relevant curriculum. Making it a standard one across, I don't know how it will help, except it will stop intellectual pursuits.
Just 2 Pakstani professors forced to grudgingly acknowledge that India does manifold better in education than Pak and take comfort from the fact that India is still not as good as the best in the world!! In the meantime, Indian professors all over the world busy writing books, papers, heading departments and Universities everywhere, advising govt and businesses. Do any of them participate in podcasts? Hell no! They are far more effective as teachers and thinkers to waste time on podcasts where 20 people turn up. This is what disguised unemployment looks like
hmmm is Anjum Altaf conparing Pakstan with India?! Shouldn't that be Pakstan with Somalia? Secondly, he must know that the hunger index doesn't really measure "hunger".
@@dinamaanchannel Because when Pakistani commentators talking about success story about Indian origin Americans ,IIT is invariably mentioned. Here Iam telling those Pakistanis to improve engineering and science education. Don’t be obsessed about IIT colleges! Wish them well!
India's education system is way better than any system in South Asia and the Middle East as well as in some of south american countries. While we may not come on par with Europe or America we are much better than what Anjum portrays. He has no clue about the Indian system. Not all CEOs are from IITs. Microsoft CEO Satya Nadela is not from IIT for example. We have 100 times more educational institutes than Pakistan. 100 times. we still have issues due to a few government schools as well as Madrassahs which are really bad but overall our education system is good and improving day by day. JNU had Anti-national activities that are being crushed by the government. We had J!had! groups in JNU taking our rallies and chanting "Bharat tere Tukde honge Inshallah..inshallah.". Such illegal anti-national activities are being crushed. We are also looking at reducing aid to tertiary education and providing more to primary education. Anjum - In Hunger Index Pakistan is better than India. LOL🤣🤣 . Do you really believe that? we are not having people fight for ATTA here in India we have a good government public support system that provides food items free of cost for 80 Cr. people. Not that we have come out of the woods but we are much better than you Pakistanis. Hence I laugh at your awareness of India. Again both intellectual and common man of Pakistan believes that BJP/RSS are against Muslims in India which is utterly false. I would appreciate you actually gave institutional law or examples not anecdotes that discriminates against Muslims in India. Also a food for thought for you Pakistanis is why in India we have ONLY MUSLIMS waving the VICTIM CARD. They are the second largest Majority community yet they are always crying. How come the actual minorities of India like "Jains" or "Parsis" have never said anything about discrimination against them? Do you have Honest answers to any of my questions.
Not every ceo (Indian 🇮🇳) of tech giant are from iit for eg Microsoft ceo is from Manipal institute of technology who's ranking is way below IIT or Nit BITS pilani or IIIT. There are many more examples director Tesla Autopilot artifical intelligence division is from college 🎓 of engineering Guindy Chennai which is way behind in ranking to iit, nit bits or IIIT. This Man is Graduated from Labbaik ya rasool Allah university. 😂 🤣
The educated and honest people can only teach and preach while influential and powerful (backed by wealth) will rule. And this is the system which suits our foreign masters. Let's accept the hard fact that our rulers are not our rulers they are answerable to their foreign masters.
It can be seen in the nonsense the the key note speaker of this program Dr Anjum Aftal . This guy is a representation of what Pakistan elite education itself entitles to and what do you expect from the uneducated Pakistani and the Madraasa radicalised idiot Pakistani
India is a very diverse country with 1.4 billion people. There is a huge variety in terms of economy, literacy, education, health. It might differ a lot between the richest district and poorest one. So simplistic answers don't work. India is more of a subcontinent in itself. There is no one answer to improve education. In India we need a variety of answers tailored to the situation in each district. Without strong economic development in certain districts there will always be the problem of children dropping out of school after a particular age.
I am surprised this guy is putting blame on the industrialists who were brought into the freedom movement by Gandhi and Nehru and basic and compulsory education was the first requirement in the country. On the other hand Liaquat Ali Khan was sent by Muslim League just to oppose every thing that was proposed by Congress.
World Bank is a colonial institution. Most of the projects supported by World Bank are not sustainable. World Bank still supports outdated projects like large dams. World Bank does not support more efficient and sustainable projects like solar powered lift irrigation, rooftop solar, digging of deep lakes and wells and recharging of groundwater around borewells.
I am from India and can confirm Pervez Attaboy AKA Pakistani Shashi Kapoor, is wrong in his debate/argument with Anjum Atlaf and latter is right. The thing which he is not getting is Statistics and the difference between percentages and absolutes. Percentage wise, the amount of students in India receiving good school education is not that great and the average performance of a school kid is at par with the Pakistani ones, but because the top tier is much better and because Indian population is much bigger, even that minority results in humongous numbers in absolute terms, which in turn, impacts greatly his anecdotal experiences. That is why Statistical results are and should be much more trusted than anecdotal experiences and conclusions. India is still predominantly Rural, and the state and quality of school education in villages is pathetic on average.
Most of our senior intellectuals are so stubborn and arrogant that they will never accept how much our neighbours have improved their quality of life, just to make us believe that subcontinent is still has same level as it was few decades ago. Its them who had to set the foundation that we could compete our neighbours today but instead they are just hiding behind their rubbish logic.
A society that has democratic ‘mindset’ and a society that accepts and ‘allows’ even a day laborer’s son as PM, President is where you want to be. Meaning, the people in the top of the food chain should have the magnanimity and courage to allow upward social and economic mobility where anyone can get to the top of the food chain is where real development and change happens and wealth is created. Does Pakistanis exhibit any of these behaviors - NO
In this land of Bharat, "taleem" was organised and provided at Gurukuls, where children of the rich and poor studied. Individual guidance was only for much higher studies.
Definitely the IIT's are the elite institute of India for education but not for the elite's But we also cannot forget that after neoliberalization this institutes Continuously becoming the lavish institute for rich and upper middle class. With the only aim of producing a rich business class as puppet for capitalists tycoon's Where as IIT's aim should be reaching scientific excellence worldwide
A session is needed on what changes occured in Pakistani Education system after 1947.
Whenever I hear Pakistani intellectuals, I don't get angry, in fact I feel reassured about how much ahead we are. But I am aware we are far from perfect and have a long way to go. But atleast we are moving in the right direction unlike the frozen mindset of Pakistan. Thank God for that.
@@naimsiddiqui4216 Wrong!! Vulnerable Pakistan is harmful to India. this is a Lahori churan sold to us by Pakistani and so-called liberals in India. we don't care what happens to Pakistan.
Avunu. Manamu veellakante enno retlu mundu vunnamu.. endukante manaki childhood nunchi vere valla patla dvesham nerpincharu mana intlo.. veellaki adhe cheppi penchutaaru
You are right. India is way more ahead of Pakistan in intelligence n intellectual discourse. That's why very late n hardly reacts to Pakistani aggression
@@MunawarAzaad2025 react and come down to level of Pakistan? Lol.. we will answer in a way it can never recover.. why was it in grey list? Why is US ignoring it & not giving money? Why has CPEC stopped? Why are people in backward states like KPK running after food trucks for lack of food?
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All US tech firms are not IIT graduates. There are many from other colleges.
CEO of Microsoft is not from IIT
Hats off to Anjum Altaf..... Thanks alot.
I am from India. First time, I listened non biased great discussion. Blackhole please continue such discussion.
I have studied in an IIT and can confirm that most of us were from the middle and lower middle class. The trend caught up even more when the entrance exam was offered in Hindi. In hindsight, the social mobility such institutions offer is remarkable. Truth be told- we in India have miles to go. Will be a long way before we are out of the woods.
After reading this statement I am assure everyone that he not an IIT alumina, but for your knowledge as well I want to illuminate you on what he is trying to say here is not that IIT is a bad institution but the problems it solves or its purpose is to give benefits to elite, or make more of them in the society, as the name itself give the edge irrespective of knowledge or performance. You can check this from student loans given to the amount of package offered and also after passing out what that student is bringing to the society or which problem is he solving. Stop talking like a privilege person that if you can't afford bread than why don't you buy cake.
Also you know very well, what is the ratio of people qualifying IIT without any coaching or help and how much these exam qualifying institution cost a common man.
@@Mrigank0819the argument was lower class can't get to iit and it's totally wrong. You can check it by how many students are from middle class or lower class background which will turn out to be majorities. The upper class usually gets admission into ashoka university or narshee monji or ms ramiah... Etc or abroad. So if you think lower class people don't take coaching classes, you're wrong there too. In your personal experience, you may have found some people who didn't. But your experience isn't the reality and you can confirm that by looking at the data.
Amazed to see that this Pakistani program is being followed and commented by Indians. this reflects the mindset of Pakistani youngsters. a Pakistani villager i am and can say that education cannot be reformed in Pakistan. From a jobless PhD in Pakistan. cheers!
move to Singapore, malaysia, dubai, qatar, oman, bahrain, saudi and come back, you'll get a job, go to the gym and take showers, you'll have better marriage prospects, yes it is a sad state of affairs, but you should go in groups and come back in groups
Calling IIT as an institution of an elite class doesn't stand even near to reality. IITs have students who come from all the backgrounds from elite to subaltern. What makes them accessible is the state subsidies and the quality of research.
India has a long way to go, still we have something to brag about is our subsidized education, which made us reach here, where we stand today.
Another Indian here, it definitely is an institution of elite in another way. It comprises the best of best of Indian students, the quality of education after top 30-40 colleges drops very noticeably. If rest of our education system fails to match IIT quality then it becomes a problem, we are creating IIT vs rest situation where IITians get all the best but rest have to make do with whatever is availible.
@@berserkhorimiya Another non-iitian who couldn't get into IIT/NIT OR IIIT.
All Iitians didn’t come from rich elite background but became elite in ntellectual sense! There was a difference between their achievements and rank and file engineers. It’s just like Harvard, MIT Oxford of West. Ofcourse alumni connection matters!
They rather become elite after studying in IITs
@@rajeevsharma8024 Oh Dear. You see that's not the case always or more often than not. Being "elite" is about the choices which you make, not about the institutes which you study. If someone gets a degree through IIT and decides to join some RTI movement isn't an elite least of all is that he is working for a ground level movement but a private institute student who decides to become a CEO of the world's biggest software firm can be elite. So it's about choices not the institutes. Personally I don't believe that there is something elite or less elite it's all about perspectives one looks into the world after all what we all have to be is a good human being who is kind to everyone. Thank you.
Extremely misleading title, but a great discussion. Truly enlightening, and enjoyable.
Dr. Altaf should update his awareness of Indian Education system. Leave alone IITs and IIMs, which are filled with middle class and lower middle class students, due to reservation system.Even sizable IAS and IPS officers hail from Bihar and UP. Dr. Hoodbhai is correct, unless the bottom of pyramid is strong, it would collapse.
Sir. More than 50% students in IIT cones from small towns and villages...from the most backword states of India.
Not true, maybe it's because of reservation.
Coching classes are expensive .
@@suryanarayanan777 No, it's true.
@@suryanarayanan777 what’s not true? My own family comes from a small town an we have 3 IITians in our family. Are you an IITian?
@surya narayanan Maybe coaching classes are expensive but the folks who pay for it aren't some landlords. They pour every penny of what they earn into the child's education and unlike what the guest speaker was saying know the education system works and his child will make it.
Well most IIT graduates we had recruited are from obscure towns and villages. Kids are working very hard to crack JEE, their passport out of poverty. At least 50% would be from Andhra and Bihar, the two backward states in the south and the North of India. Now of course Andhra is surging ahead. Thanks to IIT.
Thank God, we don’t have “experts “ like Dr. Altaf
But you have Sadhguru who can turn garden artifacts of 2013 into Shiva linga BCE 2013. How is your Vidyabhararti funding now BTW?
@@hawkingdawking4572 we have rational and critical and rational thinkers like vikash divyakirti sir not like altaf who is far from reality .... and talking about shiv lingam i know for you its a fun thing to make jokes about others religion looks like thats what your religion taught to you ....
@@hawkingdawking4572and we really don't need vidyabharti we already have jawahar novodaya vidyalas and our primary govt. funded schools are also doing well in rural areas there is more checking more nutritional foods are being provided to kids for free..... in my state up every person whoose yearly sallary is lower than certain range get 25 kg atta 25 kg Rice 1 litre oil 1 kg chana, for free ..... so you can cryy on say allah allah and yeah your country is world's no. 1 supreme conqurer 🎉🎉🎉 congooo to youu
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Sadhguru is not an official person, whatever he is doing is in personal capacity, Bacha Khan.
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He is like the drug smuggling RAW agent Nikhil Gupta. Part of the establishment. Unofficially.
Pakistani education cannot be reformed because of people like Anjum Altaf. His only pleasure is taking pleasure in all negative news from India, magnifying it and delighting in it. Very educative
Great point 🤣
True always bites to bjp supporter...😂😂😂
@@burakglobal7370 Are you saying only bjp supporters defend India? That's a shame
Pakistan as a whole can't be Reformed 😢
.....which looking from one angle is unfortunate - but is a source of great entertainment. 🙂
I do subscribe to the view point that it is only the political movement which can prove to be catalyistic. Such like discussions in itself is a major step. Keep it up sir.
I am glad that this is the standard of the Pakistani educators. Pakistan will never progress!!!🤣🤣
India ko bura bola to tera kyu pathi
@@vishalhali nahi phatti!! He is lying. Showing his ignorance. It’s not making me angry. Making me happy. So there!!🙏🏻
@@vishalhaliIndia has reached the moon, while Pakistan can only think of “Kashmir, Kashmir, Kashmir”.
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Take it who has stopped you😅
Tu theka liya huwa hai 😂😂😂
It is wrong to say that IITs and IIMs are elitist. The admission there is based on merit. A lot of poor and rural students make it to the IITs. Yes, there are a lot of bad colleges in India. But, the quality of graduates gets sorted out based on merit in the industry. There is a fierce competition for opportunities among the 1.4 billion Indians, which forces every one to compete on merit.
It is elitist because you can't get in IIT without coaching and 2 years of IIT coaching in Kota cost around 5 to 6 lakhs rupees which is hard for 50% of population
60 percent reservation is there so general category can't get admission in iit
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But even if let's say, magically, poor people's kids are given entry into Tier-1 universities, they still will have to pay fees. How will they pay that?
Then you will say give them scholarship, but wouldn't giving too many scholarships shut down the education system itself?
This is like saying that a rickshaw-wala's son should be given the opportunity to become Ambani purely on basis of education - sorry but it cannot happen in one generation.
Since almost 90% Muslims voted for the partition and the Two Nation Theory in 1946, most Muslim population should have relocated to Pakistan.
Muslim Soch: Chit bhi meri, Pat bhi meri!
There was no universal franchise in 1946 election at all.
Mr. Hoodbhoy explains everything with logic and evidence.
A half -truth is more dangerous than falsehood.
This guy Mr. Anjum needed to get a Doctorate from Stanford to show his "Closet India-bashing" skills (!??!) -- well matches his counterparts in other fields from such "Hi-fi" places like Oxford (Imran Khan) and Harvard (Bilawal) etc etc 😁😁
I APPLAUD you Hoodbhoy sahab for showing us a sample "luminary" of your system... 👍🙏
The foundation of the success of the Indian technocrats are the CBSE and the Central schools. Only when 35-40 lakhs students come out of the CBSE schools will you get quality engineers and doctors. The competition is intense. That is what Pakistan needs to replicate
Lol Veera Muthuvel the project director of Chandrayan 3 is a government school pass out and a diploma holder from an unknown college to most Indians and not from your elite CBSE or CS schools . So is the case of Dr Sivan the last Director of ISRO or Dr Mailsamy AnnaDurai the predecessor of Dr Sivan who served as ISRO chief or APJ Abdul Kalam the missile man , poet and statesman of India
What a wonderful discourse, though some of our friends from across the border have taken an obvious offence to the facts and figures quoted. But I am well and truly impressed by the objectivity of the talk and the clarity with which questions were raised and answered. Seldom one expects such a complex social issue to be analysed with such precision, single-mindedness, and candidness. Finally, both Dr Altaf and Dr Hoodbhoy have demonstrated remarkable grace, integrity, and politeness. 👋👋👋👋
True the approach makes great sense There is no need to quote data or make comparisons which make the exercise invidious.
Sir ,our average graduates knows more than this expert ,so they know facts and figures well bcoz of utube and its knowledgeable utube shorts, so we daily face data and facts ,when your so called intellectuals don't deliver then what's the status of students😅
the speaker is right there is a great disparity about public schools through out the country. You can find disparities among public schools where almost the equal amount of money spent on poor performing schools and good performing schools but the difference comes from the neighbourhood and the income.
The gentleman does not realise that the students coming to IITs nad IIMs and other prestigious institutes come from schools of india.
He is talking about public schools not private schools
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Kendriya Vidyalayas in many states are actually better than private schools. Many of my batchmates from the South were from KVs.
And many private schools are not that costly (for example, my ICSE school fees in the 1990s was around 1,000 pm)
It is not IIT‘S,They r students from NIT‘S,Other deemed Universities,Ist ,IInd tier colleges, They have brought the revolution.
Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy should be made tge education minister of Pakistan and given full powers to refom education and take action against people who try to obstruct the reforms. He is an honest and sincere person who holds excellent ideas on education and most academic matters. I am convinced that he can certainlybrepirm Pski education if given a free hand.
he is partially correct about pathetic situation of public education in India (mainly in Hindi belt), however the real truth is that everyone lower middle class and above don't use them and get private education. Public education (up to 10) is mostly availed by poor classes and that too for nutrition (free midday meal.)
Bhaktiyar Khilji burnt Nalanda University's library and burnt it for months until the last book got burnt, according to his own historians, saying we have one asmani-kitab and that is all we need. If you consider yourself descendants of such people, education will not come easily.
ChatGPT owned by Microsoft does have a bias towards Western thinking. India should develop its own tools, so that people are not totally brainwashed by western imperial thinking. China saw the dangers of relying on western software tools and developed their own search and social media tools.
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Most of the students going to IITs, IIMs, AIIMs are from middle class & lower middle class, Upper class mostly directly go to the foreign because they have the money, ASER is a rural India Survey not urban for foundational literacy. Even most of the rural kids come to the town schools for education only the most backward & poor who could not afford education enroll themselves in rural Government schools but Govt. is trying to make rural education right at the village at par with Urban schools.
Hunger index is not about 'hunger' otherwise India has the world s largest food security program available to every BPL families at marginal rates under the National Food Security act.
They released press freedom index and ranked india below Pakistan where media houses only publish news items sanctioned by ISPR, and below Taliban ruled Afghanistan too. I think we all know what these indexes are for, for clue Google America USAID shennainingans in Hungary.
You are spot on hunger index.
Middle class in India is 4%. It's not middle income. IITs are for near rich kids to get education.
India is very protein deficient due to the Hindu religious policies.
@@hawkingdawking4572 it is more than 33% and problem in India is most of the people does not declare their actual income.
Brilliant discussion!!! Thanks for remembering BR, BB, and NC. Most of all thanks for presumably keeping the spirit of KM alive. And yes, we in India have light years to go.
Mussalman, Mussalman, beimaan. 🐕 jaisi khopdi, 🐱 jaise kaan 😝
Its strange that very few people in Pakistan are interested in such a beautiful discussion
Dear black hole team, you are producing excellent content. Kindly consider putting your content in the audio podcast form, where they can be downloaded and easily listened to while driving or doing other chores.
That's a great idea. ✌️
Very educative talk. Inspite of such brilliant people in our countries we refuse to learn and progress.
We need to have many black holes in our countries.
Unfortunately black hole should not be where you lose all the ilm in it
Never understood why Pakistani intellectuals invariably start talking about and comparing with India even when the subject being discussed is primarily about Pakistan. Get the feeling the true Pakistani identity is only in comparison with India and cannot stand on its own!
If we define Pakistan it means not India. So if India is good or doing good by definition us Pakistanis have to be bad. So stop it India. At least stop blaming us
Biggest joke.
.... India k 80% students pakistan se bhi kharab hai...😂
Tere gaon mein hoga aisa. Not saying india is best but comparison should be best vs best, average vs average and worst vs worst…Aur sab mein india is much much better than Pakistan
He Said That?😳😳😳😳
@@Bengalifirst Ye Sab Mai Kya Sun Rha Hu.😳
Ye Survey Kidhar Ho Rhe Hain? Mai Bhi Gaav Se Hu. Mere Pas Aaj Bhi Apna Ghar Nhi Hai.😢
Ek Saans Me 10-15 Line Fir Bhi Bol Skta Hu.😢
Professor is right only 20% are intelligent in india and pakistan rest are stupid
i would rather let them think about whatever they think of India, it doesn't make any difference to us. 😂😂😂
Can anyone...
May Allahkarim bless us all with His' love' help' light' and protection' ...
Reforming the education system is the lifeline of our society... Yet suicidal tendencies prevail upon our thoughts... We have to have our guides in our control... Save Democracy with the help of a reformed system of education
I propose that philanthropic foundations and civil society organizations unite to establish thousands of public libraries in each and every town in Pakistan. This will promote literacy and encourage children and adults to read books. The libraries will also teach people computer skills. In addition, the libraries will organize seminars on topics of public interest including healthcare, literature, history, music, the arts, and community matters. In all advanced countries, public libraries play a key role in the intellectual development of the people. We can do the same in Pakistan. And we don't need the government to do it for us. It can be done through self-help.
waoo what a start..
Many here seem to be missing the point about IITs...Dr Altaf wasn't implying that IIT has been created to educate the Indian elite, rather that the elite has the incentive and drive to train rest of the masses to grow the local economy.
Enlightening- merits multiple viewing.
Wonderful discuss
India main gurukul systems aur Kuch univercity bahut pahle se the
From my experience in Canada, I remember not being able to adjust from high school level to college, as for studying and succeding in exams. I know many students faced those challenges. I assume maybe I was not into studies or not given the proper training. Not blaming, but stating my journey. After many years and with maturity, I received my diploma and degree. I also worked full time, unlike my youth years. This was achieved through time management, being organized and having confidence in asking questions to my instructor or peers.
Har baat me RSS ko ghasit laate hai, sirf RSS ke primary aur middle schools ke curriculum ko check kare, fark samajh aa jayga.
If this is how they are goin* to bring a difference in their society, by spreading misinformation about India, tab toh hogayi development Pakistan ki. Good luck!😅
Thank you Parvezji for intervening.
You are doing a great job
In India the curriculum is the same. Govt schools learning outcome is not good because the admin system /parents do not demand quality from teachers
The teachers are from the quota system and the students suffer.
Takshila aur nalanda jesi university kiske liye thi
Religious elites. Mass education woh nahi karte thhe.
There were no such universities but Budhist schools. Ask your Hindu bosses called Rajputs (or Huns in reality) why they destroyed Taxila. I am waiting till you come back with an answer.
@@hawkingdawking4572 kuch pta na ho... Tumhe to bakbas na kiya kro......... 😂😂😂😂😂
@@hawkingdawking4572 Huns were Greeks..they did not destroy the univ but the destruction was a result of the decline of their empire..also vedic texts, linguistics, law, astronomy and reasoning was taught there (Frazier and Flood, 2011, P.34)
@@avishekbhattacharjee812
Big fat lie. Huns are not Greeks. It's like saying Russians are actually Americans. And even that book reference is fake.
Pakistanis should sit down and ask what they want to be in 2040/2050. Don’t waste time comparing yourself with India or anyone or talk about Muslim superiority or supremacy.
Just sit down and ask where you are going and where you want to be.
Liaquat Ali Khan imposed a 25 per cent tax on business profits over one lakh rupees, doubled corporate tax, imposed capital gains tax, and doubled export duty on tea. The budget also proposed a commission to unearth tax evaders. Socialists in Congress supported these proposals. But others like Patel were outraged, claiming Liaquat Ali Khan was really attacking Hindu businessmen (like GD Birla, Jamnalal Bajaj and Walchand) who had long financed Congress. Liaquat Ali Khan had the power to block any expenditure. He constantly queried and blocked spending proposals of Congress Ministers. Sardar Patel is reported to have said that he could not even appoint a peon without Liaquat's approval, which took ages.
Hindu businessmen also feared that Liaquat would selectively target them for tax evasion via the new commission, a fear some Congressmen shared. Liaquat's tactics proved successful. Ultimately, the conduct of Liaquat Ali Khan apparently convinced Patel and Nehru that working with the Muslim League was impossible. It is also said that Nehru and Patel accepted Partition because "by conceding Pakistan to Jinnah, they would have no more of him and eliminate his nuisance value; or as Nehru put it privately, that by 'cutting the head we shall get rid of headache.'
Sardar Patel agreed for parition due to Muslims leagues killing of innocent Hindus in Kolkata as thier naked gundagardi during direct action dayin 1946,Sardar Patel view that after independence it will be difficult to run the country, Muslims wil pose obstacles in every step against government functioning,so he said number of times to Muslims go to Pakistan after independence
last question hit the nail although it was full of confusion
I studied at Delhi University 65-68. History has weightage to the Delhi Sultanate and Mughal period. Little weightage given to South India or East Indian rulers.
Tabhi pet dard h.
Invandero ke itihas jo unhone apne hisab se likhe use shi kr rhe.
Satya Nadella is not from IIT. Besides IITs we have NITs, IIITs, IISC, TIFR, BITS and many other research and technical institutes. Then there are AIIMS and NIDs and IIMs. Then we have good humanities universities and colleges too. Ajay banga president of the world bank is from DU and IIM. So India is more than IITs.
The Pakistani view of the world and everything non muslim amazes me.... Dr. Saab well you your self have proved that even education cant enlighten a jihadist mindset....
If you ask Why things are bad in Pakistan?
Anjum doesn't answer and says that some things are bad in India.
That is why he fits the definition of an intellectual.
Mr Anjum doesn't want to reform Pakistani education system, he only wants to have some satisfaction by pointing out that many things are also bad in India.
Looks like they end up discussing Indian education more than Pakistani education system 😂😂
When they have decided that they cannot reform their own education system. The easy way is to bash the Indian Union education system which is a concurrent subject between the state government and the union government in Delhi and feel happy after the misrepresentation of the progress and attribute it to the ellite of India rather than realising that education is normalised to all Indian Kids
Sir India launched a huge campaign for educating its masses right after the independence, especially the girl child’s education. From the start itself India pushed for modernisation of its educational curriculum. Schools were setup at the village level and incentives like free education for all children along with books and even mid day meals were granted by successive governments. Colleges and Research institutions were set up for every field that would ensure India’s future success. It’s because of such concerted, integrated and continuous efforts that India was able to fight illiteracy that was left by the British. These efforts were backed up by social reforms to create an atmosphere of openness, inclusiveness and tolerance. That’s why today we have children from all parts of the country that enter our engineering, medical, legal, IT , fashion design, acting …. colleges and universities. India’s bureaucracy (IAS) is made up of people from all walks of life from across the country. While the government created IITs, IIMs, RECs, AIIMSs, NIFTs etc. private business groups like the Tatas, Birla, Bajaj and many others created some of the finest institutions to nurture India’s academic aspirations.
Please don’t quote these shady and biased foreign surveys about India’s failure, as its amply evident that India’s reforms have touched and improved our masses more than many countries and especially much much more than of Pakistan.
but we got independence in 2014 ?
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I watch Hoodbhoy's videos quite often. I find Hoodbhoy very knowledgeable and "a bit" objective in his views about India. I say "a bit" objective as in his talks I am constantly reminded that on every topic that Hoodbhoy talks about he is always talking about Pakistan in comparison with India. That is the mindset of every Pakistani regardless of how educated, informed, or objective they are. And that sense of wistfulness come through very clearly when they bring up this comparison. This is, undoubtedly, borne out by an unmistakable, and ever deepening sense of inferiority complex whenever they are talking about things that matter in the modern world. And, as India grows by leaps and bounds, while Pakistan is sinking deeper in its own morass, this sense of inferiority complex is getting worse as time passes.
At the onset I would say that. 25%. improvement can be done within a year or two if Islamiyat. and Pakistan studies are removed from school and college syllabus. I was shocked to learn that these are taught in medical and Engineering colleges.
In India there is no religious teaching in Educational institutions
Infact in India talent from lower economic strata is more than upper strata,
"Transformer" technology in ChatGPT was invented by Indian American Ashish Vaswani and Niki Parmar.
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In US with US resources, educated from Uni of South California
bhakt aur pagal me koi antar nahi h
@@existentialbaby How many Pakistanis have excelled in the West compared to Indians?
Jihadis should explain this.
@@existentialbaby Ashish Vasvani did his Btech from BITS Pilani, Niki Parmar graduated from Pune Institute of Computer Technology...after that they went to USC
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The US is open to all nationalities provided you work within their framework. They don't set a precondition to convert to Christianity.
Why ? If there is strong will, it should be. But there are preconditions.
Dr Altaf is very defensive about everything! He changes topic and goes back to India instead of changing educational system of Pakistan! Not in million years Pakistan can catch up with any country ahead!
he is one person not the millions, if you mine for gold with a clear focus you'll find it
The speaker, ends his speech ,without batting an eyelid, saying that gradually China can take over Pakistan as a solution to all the current problems.
Please note that one of the state ir Karnataka has introduced ' Super 30 ' model in Engineering college Education where by 1 subject ie one branch of Engineering in 1 Engineering college of the district is selected and funded to raise to the standard of IIT. The additional rooms/lab equipment/Books. These teachers are trained by IIT to impart quality education.This if it makes necessary impact other disciplines of Engineering will be taken up. Quality of education is important.
Look at Government school in Delhi where students get best education. It depends on the political will and long time objectives
Anjum Altaf was mostly though not always objective when talking of general issues with education. Completely lost it when it came to India and Hindus. These people get a cerebral palsy. 😂
The literacy rate in urban areas was 87.7% & in rural areas was 73.5% in India.
Ironically, Jinnah helped India by separating the large population with Jihadi mindset from India. This allowed India to focus on education and economy. Today, most Indians are happy about the partition.
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Very true,I have put forth this opinion in another channel & I added 25 crore jahil yaha chod Gaye, which r becoming problem in today's India
Then why do you terrorist Hindus come here and comment ? You can go to your religious channels.
If he knew it will help India, he might not have done it!
History is being corrected in the books in India.
He is very pissed that our students will read less of Mughals and more about Cholas and Vijayanagara Kingdoms. I would love for Pak to teach their kids, who their ancestors were and how they got converted (hint: "not peacefully")
Very difficult subject taken ,
It is necessary in South Asia not for Pakistan.
Very nice effort by black hole.
Good talk thank you for sharing sir please read education and significance of life
Antiquated thinkers feel that The solutions are always top down. Always look to the government for answers. These kind of old schoolers and central planners who want to bestow more power of decision making with the state.
I am a product of IIT and IIM, and in our classes, we had less than 10% who would be considered they were from wealthy families…I myself was from lower to mid middle class. It was because the government had subsidised the fees and hostels to a large extent that I was able to do both. The NIT’s for engineering and the multiple medical schools are a testament to the fact that india has some of the best medical skills in the world and a thriving tech startup system. So that professor is wrong that 80% of Indian schools are crap….I would say this is closer to 30% rather than 80%.
JNU needs a complete wipeout IMO, as it has become a completely useless university where folks continue to do PhDs for decades at a time…in useless subjects and on government money,
As to “saffronisation”, this is being done to correct the history again IMO….if history was being incorrectly taught, it does need to be changed. No one is removing Mughal history, they are presenting Mughal history in a neutral light,….ie not romanticising it, but present the truth. No one is removing sciences or changing science to a belief system. Anyway only time will tell in the next 2 decades if the changes being brought into the text books are going to progress india or not.
I didn't understand hunger index.. Because in india government gives free ration every month to 800 million people......Free education with mid day meal schemes already feeding millions of kids every day in every part of the country......
Akshay patra feeding million+ kids every day......
Latest news in press freedom index Afghanistan is ahead of India. These indices are not more than a joke
World press freedom Index shows 2023 Shows Afghanistan is way ahead from India🤣😂
So,if one can easily imagine that what is the credibility regarding such bias reports.
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Give him a Nobel prize
No God. No religion. This is TRUTH 💝👍🌅
This guy does not know that IIT’s were created much later. Just one IIT Kharagpur came into existence in 1951. All other institutes came in sixties and seventies.
His whole analysis of Indian school and education system in India is based on hunger index made by 5 people in western countries & gives pakistan better ranking in hunger index where people are dying in stampede just to get 1 bag of AATA. I am convinced every university 🎓 in pakistan is affiliated to Labbaik ya rasool Allah university. 😂
Even Indian kids are stunted. People in Pakistan do not force vegetarism on other and in household, which is quite common in India. Even India current government accepted that and said they are proud that atleast they are vegetarian.
Again false information here, he is trying to mix two points together said in a different context. Hunger index is absolutely true on some points and it is an open secret now that nutritional is not provided in the Primary education center especially after the removal of egg from menu. And as for primary education center whoever is reading this comment just try and look at education center in your area and also if you yourself are ready to send your child there to get educated, if not than my case is closed.
Shi in chutiyo ko ye bhi nhi pta hoga ki hunger index bnata kon h
Germany or ek dusri country ke ngo bnate h.
Or naam world hunger dete h jaise ye kisi world organisation ne bnaya ho😀😀😀
@@vinsin328 You are correct. India has at present more poor people (less than 1.9$ a day) than whole of sub saharan africa. Only south India is well to do. The north Indians - which I would club with pakistanis - have bonded labour and no land reforms except in Bengal.
The circles are inverted in my view. Culture from education determines politics which determines economics and business. His overall premise is an interesting construct.
Looking back, I perfectly see this premise played out in past by Congress and it's intellectuals as well as playing out currently in India by BJP.
The government schools run in India are indeed of poor standard and people go to private schools, but there is now a large focus to allocate resources and bring corporate sponsorships to government schools and improve quality.
The education dominated by English based learning impacting future earning potential of children is reality and reason for current standing of India in index.
There is a difference in seeking education for pure wisdom versus economic development of both individuals/family. The needs/basics are same only to a level or degree after which it vastly differs in terms of need for relevant curriculum. Making it a standard one across, I don't know how it will help, except it will stop intellectual pursuits.
About 50% of the seats filled. Better than most of the lectures.
Only 24 people in the room, wide age range, sad intellectual discourse has very little takers
Just 2 Pakstani professors forced to grudgingly acknowledge that India does manifold better in education than Pak and take comfort from the fact that India is still not as good as the best in the world!! In the meantime, Indian professors all over the world busy writing books, papers, heading departments and Universities everywhere, advising govt and businesses. Do any of them participate in podcasts? Hell no! They are far more effective as teachers and thinkers to waste time on podcasts where 20 people turn up. This is what disguised unemployment looks like
😂 इन दोनो के level के भारत के हर शहर में मिल जायेंगे।
Is this Dr Anjum madrassa graduate?😂😂
India's per capita GDP is twice than Pakistan's.. How come he says 80% Hinduo ki haalat Pakistan se badtar hai?
Looks like it
hmmm is Anjum Altaf conparing Pakstan with India?! Shouldn't that be Pakstan with Somalia? Secondly, he must know that the hunger index doesn't really measure "hunger".
Your Mistake. The Video Itself Says "Pakistani Education Cannot Be Reformed".
Still, You Take Their Words Seriously?😂
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@@KararaJawaab then he shouldn’t have compared with india!
@@nacpatil How Will They Prove Existence Of Pakistan Without India?
@@KararaJawaab I think you may know that Pakistan came into being before India
Every technocrats and professors of Indian origin in US are not from IITs..
okay. so what?
@@dinamaanchannel Because when Pakistani commentators talking about success story about Indian origin Americans ,IIT is invariably mentioned. Here Iam telling those Pakistanis to improve engineering and science education. Don’t be obsessed about IIT colleges! Wish them well!
India's education system is way better than any system in South Asia and the Middle East as well as in some of south american countries. While we may not come on par with Europe or America we are much better than what Anjum portrays. He has no clue about the Indian system. Not all CEOs are from IITs. Microsoft CEO Satya Nadela is not from IIT for example. We have 100 times more educational institutes than Pakistan. 100 times. we still have issues due to a few government schools as well as Madrassahs which are really bad but overall our education system is good and improving day by day. JNU had Anti-national activities that are being crushed by the government. We had J!had! groups in JNU taking our rallies and chanting "Bharat tere Tukde honge Inshallah..inshallah.". Such illegal anti-national activities are being crushed. We are also looking at reducing aid to tertiary education and providing more to primary education. Anjum - In Hunger Index Pakistan is better than India. LOL🤣🤣 . Do you really believe that? we are not having people fight for ATTA here in India we have a good government public support system that provides food items free of cost for 80 Cr. people. Not that we have come out of the woods but we are much better than you Pakistanis. Hence I laugh at your awareness of India. Again both intellectual and common man of Pakistan believes that BJP/RSS are against Muslims in India which is utterly false. I would appreciate you actually gave institutional law or examples not anecdotes that discriminates against Muslims in India. Also a food for thought for you Pakistanis is why in India we have ONLY MUSLIMS waving the VICTIM CARD. They are the second largest Majority community yet they are always crying. How come the actual minorities of India like "Jains" or "Parsis" have never said anything about discrimination against them? Do you have Honest answers to any of my questions.
Not every ceo (Indian 🇮🇳) of tech giant are from iit for eg Microsoft ceo is from Manipal institute of technology who's ranking is way below IIT or Nit BITS pilani or IIIT. There are many more examples director Tesla Autopilot artifical intelligence division is from college 🎓 of engineering Guindy Chennai which is way behind in ranking to iit, nit bits or IIIT. This Man is Graduated from Labbaik ya rasool Allah university. 😂 🤣
If you have a pessimistic professor like Dr Anjum, you are bound to be doomed. On the contrary Dr Pervez type of more people are needed in Pakistan
Did you even watch the video? What a stupid comment.
The educated and honest people can only teach and preach while influential and powerful (backed by wealth) will rule. And this is the system which suits our foreign masters. Let's accept the hard fact that our rulers are not our rulers they are answerable to their foreign masters.
Cannot reformed because " nafarati jihadi" mentality is very deeply rooted in Pakistanis society
It can be seen in the nonsense the the key note speaker of this program Dr Anjum Aftal . This guy is a representation of what Pakistan elite education itself entitles to and what do you expect from the uneducated Pakistani and the Madraasa radicalised idiot Pakistani
India is a very diverse country with 1.4 billion people. There is a huge variety in terms of economy, literacy, education, health. It might differ a lot between the richest district and poorest one. So simplistic answers don't work. India is more of a subcontinent in itself. There is no one answer to improve education. In India we need a variety of answers tailored to the situation in each district. Without strong economic development in certain districts there will always be the problem of children dropping out of school after a particular age.
I am surprised this guy is putting blame on the industrialists who were brought into the freedom movement by Gandhi and Nehru and basic and compulsory education was the first requirement in the country. On the other hand Liaquat Ali Khan was sent by Muslim League just to oppose every thing that was proposed by Congress.
World Bank is a colonial institution. Most of the projects supported by World Bank are not sustainable. World Bank still supports outdated projects like large dams. World Bank does not support more efficient and sustainable projects like solar powered lift irrigation, rooftop solar, digging of deep lakes and wells and recharging of groundwater around borewells.
I am from India and can confirm Pervez Attaboy AKA Pakistani Shashi Kapoor, is wrong in his debate/argument with Anjum Atlaf and latter is right.
The thing which he is not getting is Statistics and the difference between percentages and absolutes. Percentage wise, the amount of students in India receiving good school education is not that great and the average performance of a school kid is at par with the Pakistani ones, but because the top tier is much better and because Indian population is much bigger, even that minority results in humongous numbers in absolute terms, which in turn, impacts greatly his anecdotal experiences. That is why Statistical results are and should be much more trusted than anecdotal experiences and conclusions.
India is still predominantly Rural, and the state and quality of school education in villages is pathetic on average.
IITs could be criticized in several ways, but saying they are elitist, is absolutely wrong..
Most of our senior intellectuals are so stubborn and arrogant that they will never accept how much our neighbours have improved their quality of life, just to make us believe that subcontinent is still has same level as it was few decades ago. Its them who had to set the foundation that we could compete our neighbours today but instead they are just hiding behind their rubbish logic.
A society that has democratic ‘mindset’ and a society that accepts and ‘allows’ even a day laborer’s son as PM, President is where you want to be. Meaning, the people in the top of the food chain should have the magnanimity and courage to allow upward social and economic mobility where anyone can get to the top of the food chain is where real development and change happens and wealth is created.
Does Pakistanis exhibit any of these behaviors - NO
Pakistan education cannot be reformed till Islam is not banned in Pakistan .
In this land of Bharat, "taleem" was organised and provided at Gurukuls, where children of the rich and poor studied. Individual guidance was only for much higher studies.
Definitely the IIT's are the elite institute of India for education but not for the elite's But we also cannot forget that after neoliberalization this institutes Continuously becoming the lavish institute for rich and upper middle class. With the only aim of producing a rich business class as puppet for capitalists tycoon's Where as IIT's aim should be reaching scientific excellence worldwide