Thank you so much, Dr Hasan Abbas; the Black Hole and relentless efforts of Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy. We are lucky to have such a place for real intellectual discourse.
In his "To Know A Fly" , biologist Vincent G. Dethier narrates: "...there is the well-known case of the chap who wondered which component of his mixed drink caused his inevitable intoxication. He tried bourbon and water, rum and water, scotch and water, rye and water, gin and waster and concluded, since every drink had water as a constant, that water caused his drunkenness. He then gritted his teeth and tried water alone-- with negative results. When I last saw him he had concluded that the glass was the intoxicating agent, and he was about to begin another series of experiments employing paper cups." One remembers this story when watching all these discussions of problems in the Muslim world and Pakistan in particular. Prescriptions of solutions have been provided for centuries now, with no effect.
Parvez hoodbhoy said he is very concerned about Muslims bad condition under Modi govt. First of all it's totally wrong. It is a propaganda created to subside hard facts since mugal empire till now. 1. Don't highlight brutal facts about mugal atrocities. Relatable gets offended without even thinking that they don't have any resemblance with them. 2. Muslim's atrocities to kashmiri Hindus in kashmir. 3. Exclusive constitutional powers: waqf board, Muslim personal law, Tripple talaq, Madarsa board, Haj subsidy,Halala, mehram, No compensation to divorce women. 4. Their idols are Babar, Aurangzeb, gajnavi etc. 5. Above all they are in great denial for scientific & historic facts. List is endless...
I expected to know about Middle East situation, but it surprisingly focused on Islamic interpretation. While he rightly expressed concern for Palestinians suffering, I felt he overlooked the plight of Parachinar's communities who also happen to be Muslims. The professor emphasized justice above religion, but didn't address Pakistan's failure to provide justice to its own minorities. Historically, invaders of India sought to convert or conquer, leaving a lasting impact. The professor's opening remark, 'every problem has a solution,' rings true, but unfortunately, many global issues remain unresolved.
Professor Hoodbhoy should reflect on why Israel changed from being secular to being extreme. It is because the liberal impulse never received a positive reception from the Palestinians or Arabs at large. If you see how India has shifted from Nehru/Mahatma Gandhi (Prof. Ishtiaq Ahmed talked about them on The Blackhole) to Modi, again, it is because in 75 years, all that India had was constant resentment from Muslims. Goodwill does not last into perpetuity. Slap aside the friendly hand too many times and it will be withdrawn permanently.
@Parvez Hoodbhoy: There was mention of Socrates etc. Why can't Pakistan study Nalanda, Takshshila, Chanakya' s Arthshastra or Shanti Parv of Mahabharat???
Study osho first. Osho tell everyone real meaning of gita and vedas😂 ua-cam.com/video/oavfFWB3WlU/v-deo.htmlsi=xGslrpPxs75w83tE ua-cam.com/video/Aq9cfZfdJ9Q/v-deo.htmlsi=2EtuGo8iOKxvQPOW
Art of War by Sun Tsu far outweighs any war or diplomatic book. Fascists must be interested in - and also being practised by them in India is Machiavelli's "The Prince." The best book on politics as of now is "The Republic" by Plato. Why would they want to study Mahabharata which preaches Jati, where Karna, the foremost warrior was not accepted as a disciple of Drona because of Karna being born as a shoodra? Ekalaivya was not accepted as a disciple for the same reason of being born into a lower Jati. Then there are other incidents of cheating and winning where Duryodhana was killed by hitting below the belt on the advice of Krishna, Karna was killed by cheating, Ashwadhama was killed by cheating. Why would somebody want to read such obnoxious stuff when you have abundant greek and other stuff?
The last question about the Leftists and Islamists, that all existing Leftisms and Islamists were imperfect, just follow my interpretation is also a good one.
The point about Tribal Muslim populations is a valid point . The loyalty of such Tribals is first to the Tribe and only after that to the Nation . In Pakistan all are Tribal except the peoples of Punjab and Sind who can thus be told to be firstly loyal to Pakistan . The problem still remains Religion which overrides anything , especially progress in Madrassa brainwashed Pakistan . Finally remember that the Iranians are not Tribal ; and have you wondered how fast they will return to former progressiveess if just the Maulana Mullah rule is eradicated ( which is round the corner and will happen ) .
Parvez and the speaker and many in that audience know about - Normal Finkelstein, the foremost Jewish scholar on Palestine, Noam Chomsky, Illan pappe, Avi Shlaim, Giddion Levy (Haaretz) etc and once you follow them you know the nitty-gritty of this issue and who started it. They might not need your crap.
He's talking as though Islamic sectarianism is a modern phenomenon. If sectarianism was there when Islam was young and new, then it is almost an essential phenomenon.
Is that not true that minority righteous people have always won the battles right from maha bharat war and war of badar with majority aggressive unbelievers, same is the Israel defeated all neighbouring Arab countries on the same basis being righteous since moses and jesus, but the area was aggressively captured by hazrat umar time without any reason, the minority Israel is now winning. What would you say in this historic perspective perspective
پاکستانیوں کا جو حال سعودی جیلون مین ھے اسکا حال بھی اس سوشل میڈیا پر موجود ھے کہ جہان کھانے کی روٹی بھی پوری نہی ملتی۔۔۔۔پاکستانیوں کی فریادین کئ بار سوشل میڈیا پر لوگون نے دیکھین
Bhailog jahan islam paida hua woh bhi itna Islam Islam nahi karte.Jitna converted karte hain.converted tab na ache hindu the aur ab na achche musalman hai.
Tarakki of India is mainly due to South India, ruled mostly by regional parties. HIndi Gau patta, the land of BJP is a shxthole. Gau patta or the cow belt has more poor people than the whole of sub-Saharan Africa, it is as dirty as Bangladesh and dirtier than Pakistan .
Pakistan and palistine must first acknowledge that present war was started by Hamas. That is unlikely to be acknowledged by any Muslim. How can one expect suck sense from a tribal society?
just can't leave religion behind, everything is in light of religion, and they will never get over it, will never progress
This is precisely what this country needs, which is tolerance & acceptance for one another.
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Thank you so much, Dr Hasan Abbas; the Black Hole and relentless efforts of Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy. We are lucky to have such a place for real intellectual discourse.
In his "To Know A Fly" , biologist Vincent G. Dethier narrates: "...there is the well-known case of the chap who wondered which component of his mixed drink caused his inevitable intoxication. He tried bourbon and water, rum and water, scotch and water, rye and water, gin and waster and concluded, since every drink had water as a constant, that water caused his drunkenness. He then gritted his teeth and tried water alone-- with negative results. When I last saw him he had concluded that the glass was the intoxicating agent, and he was about to begin another series of experiments employing paper cups."
One remembers this story when watching all these discussions of problems in the Muslim world and Pakistan in particular. Prescriptions of solutions have been provided for centuries now, with no effect.
Parvez hoodbhoy said he is very concerned about Muslims bad condition under Modi govt. First of all it's totally wrong. It is a propaganda created to subside hard facts since mugal empire till now.
1. Don't highlight brutal facts about mugal atrocities. Relatable gets offended without even thinking that they don't have any resemblance with them.
2. Muslim's atrocities to kashmiri Hindus in kashmir.
3. Exclusive constitutional powers: waqf board, Muslim personal law, Tripple talaq, Madarsa board, Haj subsidy,Halala, mehram, No compensation to divorce women.
4. Their idols are Babar, Aurangzeb, gajnavi etc.
5. Above all they are in great denial for scientific & historic facts.
List is endless...
I expected to know about Middle East situation, but it surprisingly focused on Islamic interpretation. While he rightly expressed concern for Palestinians suffering, I felt he overlooked the plight of Parachinar's communities who also happen to be Muslims. The professor emphasized justice above religion, but didn't address Pakistan's failure to provide justice to its own minorities. Historically, invaders of India sought to convert or conquer, leaving a lasting impact. The professor's opening remark, 'every problem has a solution,' rings true, but unfortunately, many global issues remain unresolved.
Professor Hoodbhoy should reflect on why Israel changed from being secular to being extreme. It is because the liberal impulse never received a positive reception from the Palestinians or Arabs at large.
If you see how India has shifted from Nehru/Mahatma Gandhi (Prof. Ishtiaq Ahmed talked about them on The Blackhole) to Modi, again, it is because in 75 years, all that India had was constant resentment from Muslims.
Goodwill does not last into perpetuity. Slap aside the friendly hand too many times and it will be withdrawn permanently.
Prof. Perevez, you 💕 are great 👌.
Ex Muslim sahil ❤❤❤❤
Science journey, zaid Patel, sam stollen, awazehaq, exhindu atheist,
*_Please Be Cautious! Tie Coat Wala Maulana.😂_*
*_Mujhe Lga Middle East Pr Discussion Hogi. Puri Discussion Sugercoated Mazheb Pr Hui.😂_*
no equality in islam , don't talk rubbish
We Muslims don't have caste system, racial superiority, Ethno-nationalism, gender discrimination
Religion laid bare with its peculiarities
Mashallah. Very nice message for the Nation. May Allah Ta'alh bless you all Ameen.
We are passing through the dark ages of Islam and unfortunately renaissance is far fetched idea.😢
Sir,this is one more podcast on the statement of the problems along with a set of solutions.
It is a difficult situation.
Democracy and election is haram in Islam only Khalifa is allowed in islamic nations
How do you define Quran. During prophet time or while he was alive which was considered as Quran.
Thank u sir for this knowledgeable lecture.
@Parvez Hoodbhoy: There was mention of Socrates etc. Why can't Pakistan study Nalanda, Takshshila, Chanakya' s Arthshastra or Shanti Parv of Mahabharat???
how will they think they civilized the subcontinent if they study hadith and gita?
Study osho first. Osho tell everyone real meaning of gita and vedas😂
ua-cam.com/video/oavfFWB3WlU/v-deo.htmlsi=xGslrpPxs75w83tE
ua-cam.com/video/Aq9cfZfdJ9Q/v-deo.htmlsi=2EtuGo8iOKxvQPOW
We have studied Osho in detail. Osho has 18 volumes on 18 chapters of Gita itself. Whats your point? @@md.shaghilsubhani.1639
Art of War by Sun Tsu far outweighs any war or diplomatic book. Fascists must be interested in - and also being practised by them in India is Machiavelli's "The Prince." The best book on politics as of now is "The Republic" by Plato. Why would they want to study Mahabharata which preaches Jati, where Karna, the foremost warrior was not accepted as a disciple of Drona because of Karna being born as a shoodra? Ekalaivya was not accepted as a disciple for the same reason of being born into a lower Jati. Then there are other incidents of cheating and winning where Duryodhana was killed by hitting below the belt on the advice of Krishna, Karna was killed by cheating, Ashwadhama was killed by cheating. Why would somebody want to read such obnoxious stuff when you have abundant greek and other stuff?
@@rajValath greek stuff also has slavery and misogyny, but you third raters will not benefit from anything
The last question about the Leftists and Islamists, that all existing Leftisms and Islamists were imperfect, just follow my interpretation is also a good one.
Actions always speak louder than words . Well said
Amazing ❤❤❤
The session was really insightful but diverted to main mentioned topic.
The third last question made the most sense - problems have to be solved in the framework in which they exist.
Great talk….😊
Excellent lecture.
How to b part of your group
Nice lecture
The point about Tribal Muslim populations is a valid point . The loyalty of such Tribals is first to the Tribe and only after that to the Nation . In Pakistan all are Tribal except the peoples of Punjab and Sind who can thus be told to be firstly loyal to Pakistan . The problem still remains Religion which overrides anything , especially progress in Madrassa brainwashed Pakistan . Finally remember that the Iranians are not Tribal ; and have you wondered how fast they will return to former progressiveess if just the Maulana Mullah rule is eradicated ( which is round the corner and will happen ) .
Wonderful. How can I purchase the book in Pakistan?
Is he the author of the book about A.Q.Khan's network, Defiance, Deviance and smth.?
RELIGION: The sigh of an oppressed creature, the hope of a hopeless world, the soul of a soulless condition. Thanks Karl.
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Please also mention that Hamas started the present imbroglio in Israel.
Parvez and the speaker and many in that audience know about - Normal Finkelstein, the foremost Jewish scholar on Palestine, Noam Chomsky, Illan pappe, Avi Shlaim, Giddion Levy (Haaretz) etc and once you follow them you know the nitty-gritty of this issue and who started it. They might not need your crap.
Great man…
It was great fun.
حسن عباس ، امام علی کی زندگی عدالت اسلامی کا پورا نقشہ ھے۔
Excelent
He's talking as though Islamic sectarianism is a modern phenomenon. If sectarianism was there when Islam was young and new, then it is almost an essential phenomenon.
Actual Islam jameen ke ander ja raha, radical extremist Islam ubher raha, due to illiteracy in Muslim.
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Is that not true that minority righteous people have always won the battles right from maha bharat war and war of badar with majority aggressive unbelievers, same is the Israel defeated all neighbouring Arab countries on the same basis being righteous since moses and jesus, but the area was aggressively captured by hazrat umar time without any reason, the minority Israel is now winning. What would you say in this historic perspective perspective
Religion is SOPs and operating system of humanity , rules and regulations and obligations from creator of universe, how one could left behind
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پاکستان مین جیلون کا حال اور extra judicial killing کا موازنہ کس ملک سے ممکن ھے،؟؟؟؟؟
Prophet's heir: ❎
Prophet's Khalifa: ✅
پاکستانیوں کا جو حال سعودی جیلون مین ھے اسکا حال بھی اس سوشل میڈیا پر موجود ھے کہ جہان کھانے کی روٹی بھی پوری نہی ملتی۔۔۔۔پاکستانیوں کی فریادین کئ بار سوشل میڈیا پر لوگون نے دیکھین
بلیک ہول بہترین کام کر رہا ہے اچھے لوگوں کے کام کو سامنے لا رہا ہے
Saw it
Pakistani log 11 august ki Jinna sab ki taqrir nahi padhate , maanate to aur historic logo ki kya manenge
Bhailog jahan islam paida hua woh bhi itna Islam Islam nahi karte.Jitna converted karte hain.converted tab na ache hindu the aur ab na achche musalman hai.
Unfortunately, I don't understand urdu(
you better stay like that, nothing in it
جو حال اماراتی جیلون کا ھے اسکا کوئ زکر کرے گا؟؟؟؟
میریٹ کزور کے خلاف ہے۔ انڈیا میں کمزوروں کو ریزرویشن دی جاتی ہے جبکہ uppercast میریٹ کی وکالت کرتے ہیں
😭😂(Hezbollah & hamas) une kaise logoko inspire kiya lol ye log zindagi me kabhi tarakki nahi karenge.
Tarakki of India is mainly due to South India, ruled mostly by regional parties. HIndi Gau patta, the land of BJP is a shxthole. Gau patta or the cow belt has more poor people than the whole of sub-Saharan Africa, it is as dirty as Bangladesh and dirtier than Pakistan .
life ka asali maja hai apne indigenous religion Mein Jeene mein
Who he means when he address app log
Pakistan and palistine must first acknowledge that present war was started by Hamas. That is unlikely to be acknowledged by any Muslim.
How can one expect suck sense from a tribal society?
Democracy in religion of peace.?