Is Baldur's Gate 3 The Ultimate D&D Video Game?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Now, I think it’s fair to say that people really like Baldur’s Gate 3. 800,000 people are currently playing it via Steam at the time of recording. It’s the highest rated game of all time, according to aggregate site Opencritic. My 62 year old Dad asked me about it over the weekend, which honestly is the most impressive accolade a game can receive. The last game he cared about was The Great Escape. Remember that? Of course you don’t. Stop lying.
Baldur’s Gate 3 is exceptional, then, a flexible and dynamic RPG that provides players with a vast fantasy sandbox that reacts to their every decision, not unlike Dungeons and Dragons, the table top RPG it’s built upon. Based on the game’s fifth edition ruleset, Baldur’s Gate 3 aims to replicate the joy of Dungeons and Dragons in video game form, but how successful is it at that monumental task?
To discuss this question, I’m joined by deputy editor Alice B, who has spent many hours with both Baldur’s Gate and Dungeons and Dragons proper. So, is Baldur's Gate 3 the ultimate D&D video game? Watch to find out, and let us know your thoughts in the comments below.
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A ultimate D&D Game for me would need a Dungeon Master Mode and a Editor like Neverwinter Nights did 15 years ago. However , BG3 is the best D&D Module on the PC ever made.
I feel larian really dropped the ball here. They have a DM mode for divinity. Why not for the actual D&D title? Weird choice
@@666slateran666larian explained that it takes quite some work to release a DM mode. They might add it later on. The DM mode for divinity wasn't available on release
@@fazzi4019 and wasn't really good if you campared it to the DM Mode of NWN 1.
@@fazzi4019 I hope BG3's success goes so far as to not just put in their stated upcoming mod tools, but a fantastic DM mode, and expanded mod tools that let creators go crazy with campaign designs (INCLUDING cinematics to a degree; bigger ones will require much more custom work - and voice acting).
This will certainly never be the officially stated reason, but my guess as to why there is no dungeon master mode is that it would compete with WOTC. Also, it’s a lot of work and it’s wasn’t very popular in divinity. Still I think the primary reason is WoTC trying to do their own virtual D&D thing and having larian do it better would be bad for business
Is your dad going to play it? I'm 66 and love it. Only currently halfway through Act 2 but I've already spent over 100 hours already with so much to discover. It helps to know a bit about DnD combat rules but it is presented in a pretty easy to understand way with this game. As regards to the dialogue and story I highly suggest you just go with the dice rolls. It makes for a very immersive game where you just have to adapt to taking the good with the bad, just like it is in real life.
I hope so! I think he'd love it if he tried it. Glad you're having fun!
shoutout to dad!
Played hundreds of hours of divinity and about 80 in early access. Definitely a smooth transition to the full game
I just sank over 40 hrs into act 1 alone. Yes I like to take my time, but I’m not save scumming or respeccing. Just doing everything, picking up everything, talking to everyone.
I'm 60, and been playing the game since it was released. My 59 year old brother plays, as well as our 57 year old D&D DM.
But... are we going to get a 100 part Let's Play with Alice and Matthew?!?
If we could do that, I would fight for it to be a thing
You touched here on one of my only criticisms of BG3. When I need an intimidation check or religion check, I want to be able to switch to the party member who is good at that!!
That's fair. I think if they're in the vicinity you should be able to pull them into the convo (or if co-op, request the player, and they can refer to the conversation history).
I understand this frustration, but my overall feeling after a play through is I have no issues with the way it functions in game. I like the way pathfinder wotr worked where skill checks would use all of the party’s proficiencies, but I also liked the way it is in bg3… I guess bg3 feels better from a story experience? I am not sure, I just felt like my character failing certain skill checks even though I had proficiencies in my party didn’t feel bad to me
having played the pathfinder games before BG3, the combat / class system was really easy to get into comparatively :)
Dear Lari and modders, please give us an option to disable the camera snapping and auto zooming out when making a ranged action in combat, and to disable the camera jumping to a character when I press F1 - F4. It should only jump to them when I double press it. Thank you!
Most other RPGs are easier? what RPGs were you playing? DnD E5 is really simplistic
Yup, it is the ultimate D&D game imo. Everything i wanted and more
Engagement for the engagement god! Subs for the sub throne!
If a monster rolls a critical it can kill you in a tabletop. So also tons of luck.
The 5th edition of DnD is actually the more simplified of the last 3. If they find it complicated what will they say about AD&D or the 3rd edition?
The game actually communicates every roll as a-% chance to succeed so it’s even easier to grasp.
I was also baffled how someone who allegedly plays RPGs for 10 YEARS finds BG3 and DnD very complicated. I can't imagine what would she think of other systems. And what systems has she been playing till now?
yeah, it's simple compared to pathfinder. not saying that's a bad thing.
woman from video here: I've played other TRPGs and D&D editions! I should have perhaps been clearer but when I said it has a higher barrier of entry than most RPGs I meant video game RPGs (also distinct from cRPGs, I guess), as in if you have largely only played e.g. Skyrim and Dragon Age, a game based on D&D rules is more complicated. (But also D20 is my least favourite system lol)
It’s really fun it just needs a few tweaks like adding a ready action and dodge plus some more subclasses
I believe larian has stated they are excited to see this added in mods.. they couldn’t get it working. I think the best part of this game we have yet to experience is mod support. I am hoping these release a comprehensive tool but we will see, they have definitely expressed a lot of supposed for modding and I think that just really adds to its value at a D&D video game. All the home brew you could ask for.
@@Bigfish5404I think your right. This game is going to be relevant for a decade at the least.
Yes.... yes it is...
Personal opinion, no, bg3 isn't the ultimate dungeons and dragons video game. Not even the ultimate dnd 5e video game. It's a great game, don't get me wrong. But it's not the ultimate dnd video game. There is another 5e game which follows the rules more closely has a level editior and you can hold your action oh also the level cap now goes beyond 12 in that one
Solasta?.. not sure if that’s what you’re referring to but it’s definitely more true to 5e combat wise. Just the role playing was very limited. Didn’t really detract from my enjoyment, it’s just not the type of game I’d play a bard in… think bg3 really nails the non combat aspects that makes it feel like a better d&d video game
@@Bigfish5404 fair, mostly my comment is because solasta is more of a 5e game than bg3. Both are based on it and both are good games but solasta follows more closely to 5e.
Not the ultimate DnD game (Neverwinter Nights did this 20 years ago with its amazing editor and DM mode). Also, comparing computer games to real-life table top sessions with real people and a real DM is just pointless. Its a whole different planet. No video game will ever give you the same amount of creativity, adrenaline, immersion and fun.
This is literally Divinity Original Sin 3 with D&D. People who are discovering this now really missed out the excellent two games prior.
There is some similarity but I don't feel its another Divinity. It definitely has a strong Baldur's gate feel
The guest was delightful.
It seems later Acts aren't as polished. I'll just wait 3-6 months.
The real release date of any Larian RPG is 6 months after release
Last act can be a bit buggy but even better than act 1 imo
i didnt have any problems in act 2 and 3. the performance in the city takes a little bit of a dip because theres SO much going on, but it's not terrible.
@@genericusername546 2 years after release after every single patch (but an expansion for this game would get me drooling), Definitive Edition, and a healthy list of QOL and other mods, 25-50% on sale. lol
My only big bug was act one strangely enough… act 3 is not as good as act one performance wise but actually didn’t have any bug I can remember.. except for non lethal attack not really working properly, but that wasn’t exclusive to act 3 so not really sure I’d call it an act 3 bug
*starts whistling The Great Escape theme*
It is very D&D like, I think Solasta is more faithful to the mechanics but that is a pretty bare bones indie game. This is a rich feast of a game. Just finished Act 2. Lone time d&d player and DM. A regular DM'ed game is going to be a different experience more tuned to the party playing it. However, very few DMs will have the writing chops of the Larian team.
Is it sacrilegious to say that I don’t think BG3’s D&D combat can hold a candle to DOS2's combat system?... Possibly… But everything else this game does is superior to Larian’s other masterpiece.
Hey - I had a ps2 demo disc with great escape 😂 not a lie.
20-25 hours per act!? I've been playing for 70 hours and I've still not finished act one!
The discourse around this game has gotten weird.
“Well, the game doesn’t let you kidnap a goblin and make it your slave, so…”
Wtf
Amazing game 🎉 10/10
I think there should be more tutorializing. The current tips are good if you're just trying to jump in, but there should be at least one other level that is for COMPLETE newbies TOTALLY willing to be handheld in the start, and for a while.
Yea, my fear is that this is too complicated for entry level. Not sure if I would enjoy it
You likely shouldn't jump into 5e as a first time player and pick wizard. Spell casters are supposed to be more complex when sitting down at the table. Anyone brand new to 5e D&D should play something like a champion fighter or monk, or maybe ranger. Warlock is definitely the best class to start to learn about spell casting from an ease of learning curve. Two spells per short rest. Spam Eldritch blast.
No, Forgotten Realms: Unlimited Adventures is yet to be topped.
I hope its not. I'd like more Dnd video games to be made.
Did yall get to the 3rd act? I've heard it's bigger than the first 2 acts combined
I hear its bigger and in some ways much more impressive, but it also got to be more buggy, threads and more polished story aspects of earlier don't get as followed up as they should, and the ending is arguably lacking. Its definitely something Larian can and probably should give a lot more care to but eventually just went fuck it, its launch time.
At Act 2, is a very good game but feels more like DOS3 than BG. It's nothing to do with the game but I'm dislike 5E rules. I love spellcasting and the concentration mechanic really put a stop to prebuffing multiple buffs and unleashing an array of spells. Also leveling up is boring compared to 3e or like Pathfinder.
Is nobody missing the old school hand drawn character portraits? I hate so much that they are not in the game that I haven't touched it. They have always been a huge part of my BG experiences.
Not really. They rarely represented my character. Now, maybe with our fancy schmancy generation tools, I'd have loved a character portrait creator that had a painterly touch.
I really don’t think that should stop you from giving it a try… but I think you could most likely mod in that style of portrait if you like