Will Steel Body Armor Kill You?!
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- This video was intended to hopefully dispel some myths about steel armor.
If steel is made correctly, with a proper coating it is more than capable of being effective body armor. And if it still isn't the way for you, get Ceramic plates. But after this video you should no longer be able to say that steel armor will immediately frag and kill you.
Watch the full test here with every shot on the plates:
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Watch the full test here. Every shot on the plates. ua-cam.com/video/J6TqBgkvE1g/v-deo.html
Thank you for covering this so in depth, although I have shot a lot of coated steal with Polymere tipped hollow point .308 and seen it fail on the first shot. I was wondering how your plate may have held up differently with a carrier.
Do you guys have any plans to make helmets?
I'm more of a Kevlar guy
nice to know the plate carrier has some protection. I got the AR500 frag wrap, basically covers top 1/4 of the plate with kevlar to catch frag
thank you for doing all you guys do. I have a ton of tacticon stuff. Have you guys seen the buffman video where m193 out of a 16" defeats the level 3+ ?? I was really hoping to get input from you guys on it. The velocities he's reporting are so high, it must be a super short distance. I support you guys and recommend them to tons of people, probably at least 8 so far. thank you tacticon
Thank you for providing non-veteran average civilians, like myself, a reliable option for protecting ourselves. You are helping us stay independent and self reliant when the government is telling us to sacrifice freedom for safety.
It's our pleasure. It's an honor and a privilege to serve you guys. Thank you for all the support.
Best,
Jake
Owner, Tacticon
You ever get shot with that garbage on you're gonna die. Don't be stupid
Thank you for wanting to stand up for your rights!
Citizen, not civilian.
Hey man... Works till it don't 🤷🫡 don't trust your life on it.
I’d always prefer the faint possibility of some bullet fragments than the definite possibility of a bullet in my chest.
I also love that tactical advice that if you find yourself being shot 20 times in the plate your ought to get uh… out of the way!
Only logical
😂 someone trying to be like hulk. shit just 1 round is enough to tell me to get out the way.
I've used ceramic and kevlar professionally (aka: it's been issued to me), but, never steel. At first, I was going to get the ceramic like I'm used to, but, started thinking about the multi-hit capability of the steel. Here's my thinking (and no, I'm not saying I'm correct. Just my opinion and I could be wrong)... If you're using it professionally hitting targets or on a SWAT/Tactical Team, the lightweight benefits of ceramic makes sense to me. Those raids are "normally" not that long and drawn out (I know things don't always go to plan), and if you do end up getting hit in your ceramic plates (and you survive. Kinda important), you can get new plates once you're back on base, back at your department, etc. However, in a SHTF scenario for the everyday citizen, you're not likely to have the option of replacing your compromised plates. Obviously, I don't want to take a hit at all, but, if I take a hit to my ceramic plates after society has collapsed or if WW3 kicks off (ya know, things be looking sketchy nowadays), I don't have a department/agency or a supply unit that can replace my now compromised ceramic plates, and I doubt I'm going to be able to order any new ones online. This is where I think the multi-hit capability of steel plates (that are properly made and coated) would be beneficial, especially if you have your plates in a kevlar sleeve to help the frag-coating even more. Again, just food for thought. I don't think either one is "wrong" for someone to get.
Which is why last night, I finally ordered my first set body armor. I ordered the AR600 Level 3+ Body Armor With BattleVest Plate Carrier Package. I also ordered some trauma pads, an IFAK V3 kit, and a R3S mag pouch, but, that clearly has nothing to do with the armor topic.
I really like this comment and it's good food for thought for the people.
You should look into SRT+ plates. They are made for more common rounds like 7.62x39 and 5.56. The backface of 308. and 30'06 is worrying but, if you put a IIIA soft armor plate behind it, it'll neglect a lot of the Backface trauma. I personally really like the SRT+ plate versus my IV plates, it's thinner and a lot more light weight. Though I have multiple armor plates for the reason: " However, in a SHTF scenario for the everyday citizen, you're not likely to have the option of replacing your compromised plates."
After so many blow to that ceramic plate it will be worthless paperweight
Level IV Ceramics are multi-hit rated. They have to take multiple hits in order to achieve level IV.
@@jeorgedavid3239Why would you be taking like 10+ rounds to the chest?
Please understand that Boron-Carbide ceramic plates aren’t the same as your toilet or coffee cup. Ceramic plates do an excellent job of stopping multiple hits, so long as you’re not getting hit in the exact same 1” spot multiple times by rifle ammunition. 😂
This is exactly why I buy from you. This elevates you above the rest, among so much other stuff you do. Thank you! 👊🏼
We appreciate that so much! Thank you for the support brother!
@@TacticonArmamentwith multi curve, is it possible you could get a ricochet/deflection from one of the curves into your body?
Jake, if after 20 hits you're not thinking to get "the F outta there", perhaps "steel v ceramic" isn't the top internal conversation to be having?
truth, haha
I like the brutal honesty coupled with facts. Nice way of putting other manufacturers on notice as well. Bringing back integrity to the consumer is why you have my support.
I appreciate that my friend. Breath of fresh air to get some support instead of all the hate riddled throughout the comment thread.
I’m becoming a MASSIVE fan of this channel and this company.
We are massive for you... wait that didn't come out right
@@TacticonArmament we both knew what you meant 😘
@@kuhmpashunOh, i know what they mean.😉
You guys have a lot of haters online. I'm glad you are putting them to rest with these videos. Keep it up. Not only are you guys proving that your product is legit, but you are educating folks who have clearly consumed false information or misunderstood the content they've watched. Glad to have local folks fighting the good fight. I recently bought my first carrier with AR600 steel plates from Tacticon. Videos like this are what keep my confidence high in this company and why I will be a return customer.
Man, I want to say the SAPI plates we were issued in '04-'05 were ceramic over steel. They were super SUPER heavy, think I estimated around 40lbs for my kit! If I was on my back, I felt like a turtle with my limbs flailing around. Had to roll sideways onto my hands and knees to stand up. Good to see the industry advancing since then.
The vests have soft armor as well.
My deployment was 05-06. I can't confirm that those were some heavy ass ceramic plates!
So glad I found your channel/company a month ago. Its nice to see a company with good affordable products that back it up with informative content... Aaaaaand can make me laugh my ass off.
You guys give me PSA vibes. Loving it. Keep up the good work!
As an owner of the steel from this company along with the compression pads and the elite plate carrier, If I've taken 30 rounds to the chest that would induce enough "splash to come out the bottom to cut up my legs I wasn't going to need my legs in the first place. The only major downside to steel is its weight. But that's what we train for right?
"That is why we train" 100% correct. and at 6.6 lbs the ar600 plates, don't get me wrong yeah there is a difference between that and the 3 lb srt + but it's not as bad as a lot of people say
This company has THE best customer service I have ever had the pleasure to deal with. Keep it up because in the end, that is what keeps your customers coming back! Love the line (paraphrasing) “ if you’re getting shot 20 times in the plate, you need to get the fuck out of the way”.
thanks i'll relay the positive feedback to our CS guys
Thank you for sharing. I’ve bought armor and other products from you. 100%satisfied!!!
I’m picking up some more items today. My father served 20 years in the Air Force. I try to support veteran owned companies whenever possible.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!!!
it's our pleasure, appreciate the support my friend
Great video Jake. This among many other things is why I support you and your company.
means a lot Randy, thank you
Great video, thanks for the conformation.
I bought your 10x12 3+ steel frag coated plates before they were certified,, only because I have complete confidence in everything you sell!
Keep it up
Thank you so much for the support and the kind words!
Ahh this is refreshing. Was so tired of seeing the hate on steel armor. This really puts it to bed. I have a coating build up on my plates but will be adding a spall sleeve as a failsafe.
Thank you for finally putting a plate into a carrier unlike so many others. I got a carrier and plates from a guy who sales your products in my state. Thanks for making affordable options
It's our pleasure! Thank you so much for the business
@@TacticonArmament anytime. Plan on getting more stuff from him once he comes back to town next month. You guys have any plans on doing helmets or anything like that?
Holy smokes, an honest and forthright video! Slow clap for objective information. Three cheers! Ya'll should do more of this.
Thank you! I appreciate the feedback. We will keep them coming
Thanks for this video. When researching which type of plate I wanted I chose your steel plates. Not because of cost but because of how well they hold up. I trust them so much I bought two more plate carriers, one for each of my sons
Thank you so much for trusting your life and your family's life with our equipment. It means the world to us!
Love what you guys are doing with social media including your Instagram. I've also bought multiple sets of armor from your company and will continue to do so. My only counter that I would raise is who is actually running slick plate carriers? Anybody wearing a plate carrier is typically at a minimum carrying six magazines of ammo as well as a tourniquet and usually some other type of gear around the front of their body armor. So the issue of bullet splash or spall in my opinion is almost a non-issue in that if you take a round you most likely will have something blowing up around your body. I'm a firm believer in steel plates but also see the value of plates without a buildup coat for the simple fact that no build up coat saves you around 1 lb on your plate carrier front and back. If you throw in side plates, there's about another 1 lb between the two side plates. Personally, knowing that I'm going to have items all over the front of my plate carrier that will explode if ever shot, I'd rather take the weight savings as 3lbs, while not seeming like much, definitely adds up.
Fair enough. Good point on all the kit being a protection point. Thanks for the insight
I recently snagged a carrier and plates from one of your recent sales. I’ve already written a review on your site, but thank you again for providing a great product at a great price point. Hopefully I never need it, but better to have it and not need it than really wish I had it.
Man some companies just sit an rip this lol. thanks for teaching me about spall and splash. I don't have plates yet but it's still to good to learn. I will use splash in my videos instead of spalling when shooting steel.
It's important to know the difference. If we are going to have meaningful talks about it we have to know what the words mean!
@@TacticonArmament I agree, everyone just always says spalling it seems.
I enjoy your willingness to dive into details.
I bought a set of both steel and composite from you guys just to have options . And my wife had to have set as well.
That and that few lbs lighter makes a difference for my “non service “ connected knee pain . Goes well with that pleasant ring my head that I would be lonely without.
I do run with my steel setup majority of the time just to prove to myself I still got it .
New customer here, I bought a very well priced Optic though, not your manufactured Armor. I very much like the attitude/mind-set of the company. Doing the 2in. outer edge on your plates is a perfect example! Well Done!!! If your scope tracks... I'm coming back for a couple of your plate-carrier combos!
Thanks for being an honest manufacturer.. when looking at armor, weights are a big factor for me. I’ll take a look at your product line.
My favorite channel for ballistic protection on UA-cam. And remember guys, if you so happen to find that there are 20 holes in your plate carrier, please do get the f outta there.
Not that I ever doubted it but feel even more confident now about my ar500 level 3+ 🤘
❤️
Facts
ar500 from the company of the same name isnt armor
if its not NIJ CERTIFIED its a liability and will get you killed, dont try and claim your cheap garbage is something it isnt
@jakegrube9477 Appreciate the comment brother, but @samrivera4736 is actually a customer who purchased his AR500 steel armor from Tacticon so his armor is indeed NIJ Certified. I understand where you're coming from though, if he were talking about the Company "AR500" who does not certify their steel then it's a no-go
@@TacticonArmament rut roh raggy 😱
Heck, buy both. Steel for defensive situations, and ceramic for situations where you know you'll be moving around A LOT.
For steel in home defense, I'll have to make sure everyone else is far enough from me, in case the fragmentation coating fails.
Thankyou I have more knowledge on this subject and thankyou for becoming the most reliable company that actually test prove their product and makes me feel safe in trusting my instincts in these reliable products
Cheers brother
Took advantage of your recent sale. Added kevlar sleeves.
Good to know! I really appreciate the support and business
Right on for the honest info and review, and putting your neck on the line shooting your own product
These are two individuals I would get a beer with. Cheers, gentlemen.
Well back in my day we said arterial bleeding toughened you up.....😆 Good video and good info presented in a clear and logical fashion. Nice.
If you don't wake up in the morning to a bowl of nails for breakfast you're a sissy
Just bought a Level iii+ plate from AR500 and opted for the build-up fragmentation coat. I was a little apprehensive at first, but this video helped to assuage that apprehensiveness. Thank you for this great info!
There are no perfect solutions, only trade offs
I also have a Kevlar collar, for any splash in the throat.
Im buying some right now. You literally sold me with this!
Me and some friends of mine were at a USPSA competition. We had a Ricochet from a pistol come directly back and catch my friend in the neck. Luckily enough of us were there with medkits to take care of it until the ambulance got there. Yes it did hit his artery and he was very close to death even though we were only 10 minutes away from the emergency room. This incident did make the local news
Thank you for being precise, to the point, without hem hawing around. A nice change of pace. You get a sub.
Remember a while back for a long time I was throwin a lot of comments at ya bout makin somethin like this cause I honestly had my doubts so I definitely do appreciate ya doin this video
You're a talented mediator.
Well ya sold it to me gents. Good job being so open.
Our pleasure my friend. We want to be as transparent as possible!
Love the explanation, not sure these “other companies” would be so honest about it.
Thanks Brother!
I love my 3+ ar600. The ceramic we had in iraq that was multi hit rated ,I believe, was good for 3-5 rounds. The government made me fought in combat with that, and I was grateful.
Much love for ceramic! That's why we make them. We're just really don't like false rhetoric being spread.
I own Tacticon steel and I trust my life with it, and I don't plan on hangin around gettin mag dumped on.
Thanks guys, I love your gear.
I only recently discovered your channel, good stuff.
I wear steel plates, i love them i dont care about the weight. Get in shape and the weight of the equipment that can save ur life wont matter. GREAT VIDEO!🙏🏾
Nice job. 1st video I've seen going through so much detail. One thing I would like to remind people is you don't want to get shot in the 1st place. 1 or 10 rounds, you're going to feel it. Possible broken ribs, absolutely trouble breathing and definitely not wanting to take another round. 👏👏👏👏👏
I got 3+ from Spartan Armor Systems, buildup coat, trauma pads, and spall sleeves, the pad and 3+ both fit inside the spall sleeve. Your life is yours to decide its worth, but I personally believe 500 or so bucks for a one time purchase if you don't get shot for the shelf life of 10 to 20 years. Stay safe, stay alert, stay alive, and stay armed.
Only steal not ceramic. Ceramic has a shelf life of about 5 years then it needs to be replaced because it deteriorates.
I wonder if the dudes that say STEEL ARMOR WILL KILL YOU WITH SPALLING think they're going to be shot at with HESH?
The best video on UA-cam about plates.
Thank you for posting!!!
Wow man, thank you. I put a lot of time into this video and makes me happy to know its appreciated! Thank you!
Just bought a new carrier and plates from you today. Stoked to get it.
I like steel for the longevity. If I ever had to use body armor, then times are probably too crazy to even order replacement ceramic plates. But, I'm super poor, so that's just my opinion. I bought the Lite Plate Carrier with trauma pads and AR500s. That sale going on is one Hell of a deal, especially considering everything going on these past few years.
I appreciate that. We do our best to keep our margins thin and the prices as low as possible so everyone has the opportunity to own armor.
Good ceramic armor doesn't expire and is lighter.
@@mwwwww648 I think the expiration dates on ceramic armor are just for the polyethylene backing.
Good afternoon Y’all! First, thanks for being a true company….. 100 % backing your stuff! I have one of your carriers and steel plates, and I have all the faith in them!
Thanks for putting out quality stuff for us, you and your company needs more thanks from us!
Take care and my best to all of you!!
Thank you for the kind words and support my guy! We will continue to do our best!
@@TacticonArmament We know you will!! You have our backs….. we have yours!!! Take care!!!!
Thank you for being honest people I found one of your bags on Amazon then found your website and yt channel and have been hooked ever since, turned all my friends onto your products and am getting armor when I get paid, you guys need the elite plate carrier on the ar600 bundle :(
Ceramics cool for modern day use when you can buy replacements etc. But for a shtf scenario when resupply of armor is nigh unlikely the longevity of steel would be better imho
Just bought kevlar armor sleeves for steel. Generally less expensive than paying for a coating.
Scientific process? Gives me the warm and fuzzy inside and out
Great vid and always enjoy your content! Keep it up!
Thanks Jake!
so many hate on Ar500 armour. With the anti spall coating, they are a great price point to be able to have a few sets for friends and family.
Thank you for doing what you all do. Happy 4th of July.
Seriously love all the work you guys do, and love your products just as much. Keep it going!
You Guys/Tacticon are fkn awesome. I got my first 3 or 4 items from you guys and they are awesome. Getting ready to order another plate carrier and some plates, the 500 bundle
7:16 my favorite joke! Lol 😂😂
A 10 by 12 play, when you react to inches around the perimeter turns into a 6 by 8 plate
I wear 2 steel plates for my head and a 10 pound kevlar vest for back and chest. It’s not that heavy once you get used to it. 🤷🏻♂️
Everywhere I go I'm in a giant steel box surrounded by armor with wheels and transparent armor in the front so I can see where I'm going
@@TacticonArmament that’s what I need for my windows I swear
And... by the way i really enjoy your videos it nice that some people still have a sence of humor.. and i am getting more and more T.A supplies for the family and myself thank you for that
For steel, it would be nice to have some kevlar protection in the top half of the carrier to protect the neck. Ya it would be a lot more expensive but I'd buy it if running steel. Old breastplates back in the day utilized a v shaped ridge to stop and redirect arrowheads (from 100lb +yew longbows) that deflected upward toward the neck after impacting the armor. A similar v-shaped ridge would probably also work against splash heading to the neck.
I knew those FB trolls were wrong when they insisted I needed ceramic over steel. I bought the steel plates and carrier kit off you guys and knew it was the right choice for a regular civilian with no combat training. Something is better than nothing, and although weight savings is a good argument, I dont plan to be out in war anytime at all. Just need something to fend off the crazies.
I dont know why but the Redditor nonsense that "a steel plate will get you killed" (so will getting shot?!?), makes me unreasonably mad. Thanks for making a good video with consistent science and an unbiased veiw on both materials.
Steel has always given me certainty, no matter the application.
Best video about the subject, thank you.
I like the steel plates it can stop so many more rounds than ceramic plus u don't have to buy a new plate if u drop it. And I would take a steel plate that's been hit with multiple rounds over a ceramic that's been hit I don't care if it didn't have a buildup coating anymore some shrapnel in your arms or neck is better than bullet holes. Great video bro
Youre guyses no bullshit approach got me interested and has kept my poverty-stricken ass geared up ready go to thank you brothers!🤙
I love tacticon. I’m so sick of people fanboying over brands that are break the bank expensive.
I have a red dot that I purchased years ago from you guys and it works beautifully. I love it. Keep doing what your doing
It all depends on what you get hit with.
I think I’m about ready. This is a great video full of information.
A good place to start is soft pistol armor. It is super affordable and has great protection for pistol rounds, which is a large percentage of hits in civilian environments. Easy to get a carrier and two soft plates for about $200 delivered. Upgrade later. Soft armor is extremely comfortable and light. 🎉 For those of us who are not going into a rifle firefight 😁
Just bought some of the level 3+ steel plates. Just know that if i die while wearing these from splash, im coming to haunt you, lol.
If fragmentation only occurs when you already have been hit 20+ times, it won't certainly be a problem anymore ...
I appreciate these videos from you and how you break it down you have my business and my families business
Best bet is a steel sandwich, 3a Kevlar layers up front, steel plate, 3a Kevlar under. That way the Kevlar stops penetration while the steel eats the impact force.
“Steel plates will get you kilt in da streetz” says every internet commando with an extra 50 lbs around their midsection.
Cardio my brothers. Fatties die first.
And if you have some Kevlar just laying around, you could put it has a cover on top of your steel plates too. To help against splatter too.
Love y’all’s gear! Awesome plate carries and bags
Id say the heavier issue isn't a huge con for steel plates because you can train your body to be used to carrying that little bit extra weight, you can't train the ceramics or your body to withstand more rounds. The standard arguement to that is well I'll be able to move faster in ceramics, yes but there's also a higher possibility of having that catastrophic failure with it.
Build up coat with a frag bag and it would be great armor for longevity without integrity compromise.
Finally some honesty! Thank you!
Just ordered my vest yesterday, cant wait to get it ty
Why don't companies try a kevlar covering on the plate carrier surrounding the plate?
There are some. They are called Frag Sleeves. I plan on testing some out soon, and some alternative methods
I'm sure price jumps up
I think the price per sleeve is around like $30 but I need to double check
Dude you run a company how it should. Super impressed with your NIJ cert congrats. Im buying from you guys.
I appreciate the objective view.
Hi out of curiosity but why is it that when you see sci fi armor of the more reasonable and realistic kind, such as say the halo ODST, UNSC marine, 40K tempestus scions and so on, where you see them covered in plates of armor, why is it that modern soldiers today don’t wear that sort of armor despite it’s supposed extra protection?
Just bought your plate carrier and plates bundle super awesome stuff. Already want another set.
Thanks for the support my friend If there's anything to do for you down the road please don't hesitate to ask. I appreciate the business
Great information,awesome channel guys!!
Having discussed this with active SWAT guys, they all use Steel and all agree that they’d rather be alive and (possibly but not likely) wounded, than not wear any armor at all
Appreciate the feedback. I am inclined to agree