Thank you for covering this so in depth, although I have shot a lot of coated steal with Polymere tipped hollow point .308 and seen it fail on the first shot. I was wondering how your plate may have held up differently with a carrier.
thank you for doing all you guys do. I have a ton of tacticon stuff. Have you guys seen the buffman video where m193 out of a 16" defeats the level 3+ ?? I was really hoping to get input from you guys on it. The velocities he's reporting are so high, it must be a super short distance. I support you guys and recommend them to tons of people, probably at least 8 so far. thank you tacticon
Thank you for providing non-veteran average civilians, like myself, a reliable option for protecting ourselves. You are helping us stay independent and self reliant when the government is telling us to sacrifice freedom for safety.
I like the brutal honesty coupled with facts. Nice way of putting other manufacturers on notice as well. Bringing back integrity to the consumer is why you have my support.
You guys have a lot of haters online. I'm glad you are putting them to rest with these videos. Keep it up. Not only are you guys proving that your product is legit, but you are educating folks who have clearly consumed false information or misunderstood the content they've watched. Glad to have local folks fighting the good fight. I recently bought my first carrier with AR600 steel plates from Tacticon. Videos like this are what keep my confidence high in this company and why I will be a return customer.
I am confused how the person shooting has good enough aim to land 20 chest shots, but you don't have enough mobility or aim to avoid them or shoot back.
As an owner of the steel from this company along with the compression pads and the elite plate carrier, If I've taken 30 rounds to the chest that would induce enough "splash to come out the bottom to cut up my legs I wasn't going to need my legs in the first place. The only major downside to steel is its weight. But that's what we train for right?
"That is why we train" 100% correct. and at 6.6 lbs the ar600 plates, don't get me wrong yeah there is a difference between that and the 3 lb srt + but it's not as bad as a lot of people say
I've used ceramic and kevlar professionally (aka: it's been issued to me), but, never steel. At first, I was going to get the ceramic like I'm used to, but, started thinking about the multi-hit capability of the steel. Here's my thinking (and no, I'm not saying I'm correct. Just my opinion and I could be wrong)... If you're using it professionally hitting targets or on a SWAT/Tactical Team, the lightweight benefits of ceramic makes sense to me. Those raids are "normally" not that long and drawn out (I know things don't always go to plan), and if you do end up getting hit in your ceramic plates (and you survive. Kinda important), you can get new plates once you're back on base, back at your department, etc. However, in a SHTF scenario for the everyday citizen, you're not likely to have the option of replacing your compromised plates. Obviously, I don't want to take a hit at all, but, if I take a hit to my ceramic plates after society has collapsed or if WW3 kicks off (ya know, things be looking sketchy nowadays), I don't have a department/agency or a supply unit that can replace my now compromised ceramic plates, and I doubt I'm going to be able to order any new ones online. This is where I think the multi-hit capability of steel plates (that are properly made and coated) would be beneficial, especially if you have your plates in a kevlar sleeve to help the frag-coating even more. Again, just food for thought. I don't think either one is "wrong" for someone to get. Which is why last night, I finally ordered my first set body armor. I ordered the AR600 Level 3+ Body Armor With BattleVest Plate Carrier Package. I also ordered some trauma pads, an IFAK V3 kit, and a R3S mag pouch, but, that clearly has nothing to do with the armor topic.
You should look into SRT+ plates. They are made for more common rounds like 7.62x39 and 5.56. The backface of 308. and 30'06 is worrying but, if you put a IIIA soft armor plate behind it, it'll neglect a lot of the Backface trauma. I personally really like the SRT+ plate versus my IV plates, it's thinner and a lot more light weight. Though I have multiple armor plates for the reason: " However, in a SHTF scenario for the everyday citizen, you're not likely to have the option of replacing your compromised plates."
@@jeorgedavid3239Why would you be taking like 10+ rounds to the chest? Please understand that Boron-Carbide ceramic plates aren’t the same as your toilet or coffee cup. Ceramic plates do an excellent job of stopping multiple hits, so long as you’re not getting hit in the exact same 1” spot multiple times by rifle ammunition. 😂
Man, I want to say the SAPI plates we were issued in '04-'05 were ceramic over steel. They were super SUPER heavy, think I estimated around 40lbs for my kit! If I was on my back, I felt like a turtle with my limbs flailing around. Had to roll sideways onto my hands and knees to stand up. Good to see the industry advancing since then.
So glad I found your channel/company a month ago. Its nice to see a company with good affordable products that back it up with informative content... Aaaaaand can make me laugh my ass off.
Great video, thanks for the conformation. I bought your 10x12 3+ steel frag coated plates before they were certified,, only because I have complete confidence in everything you sell! Keep it up
Thank you for sharing. I’ve bought armor and other products from you. 100%satisfied!!! I’m picking up some more items today. My father served 20 years in the Air Force. I try to support veteran owned companies whenever possible. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!!!
I've always taken the hit count conversation to be in the context of needing to fight over and over again. To oversimplify: buy ceramic for a home invasion, buy steel for societal collapse
Thanks for this video. When researching which type of plate I wanted I chose your steel plates. Not because of cost but because of how well they hold up. I trust them so much I bought two more plate carriers, one for each of my sons
Thank you for finally putting a plate into a carrier unlike so many others. I got a carrier and plates from a guy who sales your products in my state. Thanks for making affordable options
@@TacticonArmament anytime. Plan on getting more stuff from him once he comes back to town next month. You guys have any plans on doing helmets or anything like that?
Love what you guys are doing with social media including your Instagram. I've also bought multiple sets of armor from your company and will continue to do so. My only counter that I would raise is who is actually running slick plate carriers? Anybody wearing a plate carrier is typically at a minimum carrying six magazines of ammo as well as a tourniquet and usually some other type of gear around the front of their body armor. So the issue of bullet splash or spall in my opinion is almost a non-issue in that if you take a round you most likely will have something blowing up around your body. I'm a firm believer in steel plates but also see the value of plates without a buildup coat for the simple fact that no build up coat saves you around 1 lb on your plate carrier front and back. If you throw in side plates, there's about another 1 lb between the two side plates. Personally, knowing that I'm going to have items all over the front of my plate carrier that will explode if ever shot, I'd rather take the weight savings as 3lbs, while not seeming like much, definitely adds up.
This company has THE best customer service I have ever had the pleasure to deal with. Keep it up because in the end, that is what keeps your customers coming back! Love the line (paraphrasing) “ if you’re getting shot 20 times in the plate, you need to get the fuck out of the way”.
Ahh this is refreshing. Was so tired of seeing the hate on steel armor. This really puts it to bed. I have a coating build up on my plates but will be adding a spall sleeve as a failsafe.
I bought a set of both steel and composite from you guys just to have options . And my wife had to have set as well. That and that few lbs lighter makes a difference for my “non service “ connected knee pain . Goes well with that pleasant ring my head that I would be lonely without. I do run with my steel setup majority of the time just to prove to myself I still got it .
I recently snagged a carrier and plates from one of your recent sales. I’ve already written a review on your site, but thank you again for providing a great product at a great price point. Hopefully I never need it, but better to have it and not need it than really wish I had it.
Just bought a Level iii+ plate from AR500 and opted for the build-up fragmentation coat. I was a little apprehensive at first, but this video helped to assuage that apprehensiveness. Thank you for this great info!
great video. thanks for showing & explaining real world considerations. btw, checked your website & i love the minuteman loadout. I already have a good setup, but i might still grab the level 3+ & V2 carrier. that's a great price!
New customer here, I bought a very well priced Optic though, not your manufactured Armor. I very much like the attitude/mind-set of the company. Doing the 2in. outer edge on your plates is a perfect example! Well Done!!! If your scope tracks... I'm coming back for a couple of your plate-carrier combos!
Thankyou I have more knowledge on this subject and thankyou for becoming the most reliable company that actually test prove their product and makes me feel safe in trusting my instincts in these reliable products
I dont know why but the Redditor nonsense that "a steel plate will get you killed" (so will getting shot?!?), makes me unreasonably mad. Thanks for making a good video with consistent science and an unbiased veiw on both materials.
I like the steel plates it can stop so many more rounds than ceramic plus u don't have to buy a new plate if u drop it. And I would take a steel plate that's been hit with multiple rounds over a ceramic that's been hit I don't care if it didn't have a buildup coating anymore some shrapnel in your arms or neck is better than bullet holes. Great video bro
Remember a while back for a long time I was throwin a lot of comments at ya bout makin somethin like this cause I honestly had my doubts so I definitely do appreciate ya doin this video
You Guys/Tacticon are fkn awesome. I got my first 3 or 4 items from you guys and they are awesome. Getting ready to order another plate carrier and some plates, the 500 bundle
Good afternoon Y’all! First, thanks for being a true company….. 100 % backing your stuff! I have one of your carriers and steel plates, and I have all the faith in them! Thanks for putting out quality stuff for us, you and your company needs more thanks from us! Take care and my best to all of you!!
Ceramics cool for modern day use when you can buy replacements etc. But for a shtf scenario when resupply of armor is nigh unlikely the longevity of steel would be better imho
I love tacticon. I’m so sick of people fanboying over brands that are break the bank expensive. I have a red dot that I purchased years ago from you guys and it works beautifully. I love it. Keep doing what your doing
“Steel plates will get you kilt in da streetz” says every internet commando with an extra 50 lbs around their midsection. Cardio my brothers. Fatties die first.
Thank you for being honest people I found one of your bags on Amazon then found your website and yt channel and have been hooked ever since, turned all my friends onto your products and am getting armor when I get paid, you guys need the elite plate carrier on the ar600 bundle :(
You guys are the only company that ive ever seen who actually goes out and tests their Armor. You are the most stand up no BS owners and i greatly appreciate you taking the time and spending the money to test armor and to show the world.
And... by the way i really enjoy your videos it nice that some people still have a sence of humor.. and i am getting more and more T.A supplies for the family and myself thank you for that
Heck, buy both. Steel for defensive situations, and ceramic for situations where you know you'll be moving around A LOT. For steel in home defense, I'll have to make sure everyone else is far enough from me, in case the fragmentation coating fails.
Best bet is a steel sandwich, 3a Kevlar layers up front, steel plate, 3a Kevlar under. That way the Kevlar stops penetration while the steel eats the impact force.
For steel, it would be nice to have some kevlar protection in the top half of the carrier to protect the neck. Ya it would be a lot more expensive but I'd buy it if running steel. Old breastplates back in the day utilized a v shaped ridge to stop and redirect arrowheads (from 100lb +yew longbows) that deflected upward toward the neck after impacting the armor. A similar v-shaped ridge would probably also work against splash heading to the neck.
I love my 3+ ar600. The ceramic we had in iraq that was multi hit rated ,I believe, was good for 3-5 rounds. The government made me fought in combat with that, and I was grateful.
Id say the heavier issue isn't a huge con for steel plates because you can train your body to be used to carrying that little bit extra weight, you can't train the ceramics or your body to withstand more rounds. The standard arguement to that is well I'll be able to move faster in ceramics, yes but there's also a higher possibility of having that catastrophic failure with it.
Hi out of curiosity but why is it that when you see sci fi armor of the more reasonable and realistic kind, such as say the halo ODST, UNSC marine, 40K tempestus scions and so on, where you see them covered in plates of armor, why is it that modern soldiers today don’t wear that sort of armor despite it’s supposed extra protection?
ar500 from the company of the same name isnt armor if its not NIJ CERTIFIED its a liability and will get you killed, dont try and claim your cheap garbage is something it isnt
@jakegrube9477 Appreciate the comment brother, but @samrivera4736 is actually a customer who purchased his AR500 steel armor from Tacticon so his armor is indeed NIJ Certified. I understand where you're coming from though, if he were talking about the Company "AR500" who does not certify their steel then it's a no-go
“If you’ve taken 20 rounds and you start getting fragmentation coming out of the plate… you should probably get the fuck outta the way” This line sent me
I got 3+ from Spartan Armor Systems, buildup coat, trauma pads, and spall sleeves, the pad and 3+ both fit inside the spall sleeve. Your life is yours to decide its worth, but I personally believe 500 or so bucks for a one time purchase if you don't get shot for the shelf life of 10 to 20 years. Stay safe, stay alert, stay alive, and stay armed.
Nice job. 1st video I've seen going through so much detail. One thing I would like to remind people is you don't want to get shot in the 1st place. 1 or 10 rounds, you're going to feel it. Possible broken ribs, absolutely trouble breathing and definitely not wanting to take another round. 👏👏👏👏👏
My favorite channel for ballistic protection on UA-cam. And remember guys, if you so happen to find that there are 20 holes in your plate carrier, please do get the f outta there.
Great video and explanation, but correct me if i am wrong. If 2” of the perimeter is not to be considered then you must deduct 4” from overall dimension in both width and height. Correct?
Well I appreciate this as a former us marine I like it when it’s sweet and simple have you tested dropping ceramic plates to see if that affects the over all durability of the plates ? And if you haven’t could you it’s a big reason I’m a steel guy myself I can’t see the use of something like a plate that wouldn’t be usable after a few drops or “light” impacts like diving into the ground
Me and some friends of mine were at a USPSA competition. We had a Ricochet from a pistol come directly back and catch my friend in the neck. Luckily enough of us were there with medkits to take care of it until the ambulance got there. Yes it did hit his artery and he was very close to death even though we were only 10 minutes away from the emergency room. This incident did make the local news
A test I'd like to see, which I have yet to see is to shoot the plates at various angles. You are more than likely not going to be standing square to your target when you take fire, will a bullet ricochet off into your buddies with steel with spall coat? How does ceramic react in this same situation?
I recently saw a video of guys shooting 1/2" plate with 5.56 and it didn't penetrate (just regular, mild steel). They stepped it up to 3/4" and it stopped 308 rounds. I've got full 1" thick plates in my plate carriers (for exercise purposes, it is heavy). I was curious about actual ballistics plates made of regular steel and found this video. It looks like that raw (uncoated) steel plate you tested was pretty thin, though. Maybe 1/4" or 3/8"?
Ceramic and polyuth stuff is better IF you can reliably re-supply and restock them if you ever have to use them. Their shelf life and material doesnt last as long. For "emergency" SHTF scenario's, I'll take steel alloys properly coated. They will last and the slight risk of potential fragmentation is less risky than total plate failure
Plus, steel can stop more than just bullets, and while unlikely. It may be more useful. The US gov military operates on the notion of near-infinite supplies and restocks. That is not the norm, and civlians would do well to equip properly
I have 11x14 and 6x8 side steel plates. For only a couple lbs lighter and 3 times more expensive, I'm good with steel rather than ceramic. Wore them on a 7 hrs ruck and it was fine.
Comporto lo que dice una armadura AR500 requiere de un tratamiento poliuretano que debe de venir con el auque aún así suelen saltar partículas así que es interesante recubrirla con foam para que esas partículas rompan alrededor de esa espuma
I wear steel plates, i love them i dont care about the weight. Get in shape and the weight of the equipment that can save ur life wont matter. GREAT VIDEO!🙏🏾
Watch the full test here. Every shot on the plates. ua-cam.com/video/J6TqBgkvE1g/v-deo.html
Thank you for covering this so in depth, although I have shot a lot of coated steal with Polymere tipped hollow point .308 and seen it fail on the first shot. I was wondering how your plate may have held up differently with a carrier.
Do you guys have any plans to make helmets?
I'm more of a Kevlar guy
nice to know the plate carrier has some protection. I got the AR500 frag wrap, basically covers top 1/4 of the plate with kevlar to catch frag
thank you for doing all you guys do. I have a ton of tacticon stuff. Have you guys seen the buffman video where m193 out of a 16" defeats the level 3+ ?? I was really hoping to get input from you guys on it. The velocities he's reporting are so high, it must be a super short distance. I support you guys and recommend them to tons of people, probably at least 8 so far. thank you tacticon
Thank you for providing non-veteran average civilians, like myself, a reliable option for protecting ourselves. You are helping us stay independent and self reliant when the government is telling us to sacrifice freedom for safety.
It's our pleasure. It's an honor and a privilege to serve you guys. Thank you for all the support.
Best,
Jake
Owner, Tacticon
You ever get shot with that garbage on you're gonna die. Don't be stupid
Thank you for wanting to stand up for your rights!
Citizen, not civilian.
Hey man... Works till it don't 🤷🫡 don't trust your life on it.
I like the brutal honesty coupled with facts. Nice way of putting other manufacturers on notice as well. Bringing back integrity to the consumer is why you have my support.
I appreciate that my friend. Breath of fresh air to get some support instead of all the hate riddled throughout the comment thread.
You guys have a lot of haters online. I'm glad you are putting them to rest with these videos. Keep it up. Not only are you guys proving that your product is legit, but you are educating folks who have clearly consumed false information or misunderstood the content they've watched. Glad to have local folks fighting the good fight. I recently bought my first carrier with AR600 steel plates from Tacticon. Videos like this are what keep my confidence high in this company and why I will be a return customer.
This is exactly why I buy from you. This elevates you above the rest, among so much other stuff you do. Thank you! 👊🏼
We appreciate that so much! Thank you for the support brother!
@@TacticonArmamentwith multi curve, is it possible you could get a ricochet/deflection from one of the curves into your body?
You guys give me PSA vibes. Loving it. Keep up the good work!
I also love that tactical advice that if you find yourself being shot 20 times in the plate your ought to get uh… out of the way!
Only logical
😂 someone trying to be like hulk. shit just 1 round is enough to tell me to get out the way.
I am confused how the person shooting has good enough aim to land 20 chest shots, but you don't have enough mobility or aim to avoid them or shoot back.
I’m becoming a MASSIVE fan of this channel and this company.
We are massive for you... wait that didn't come out right
@@TacticonArmament we both knew what you meant 😘
@@kuhmpashunOh, i know what they mean.😉
As an owner of the steel from this company along with the compression pads and the elite plate carrier, If I've taken 30 rounds to the chest that would induce enough "splash to come out the bottom to cut up my legs I wasn't going to need my legs in the first place. The only major downside to steel is its weight. But that's what we train for right?
"That is why we train" 100% correct. and at 6.6 lbs the ar600 plates, don't get me wrong yeah there is a difference between that and the 3 lb srt + but it's not as bad as a lot of people say
I’d always prefer the faint possibility of some bullet fragments than the definite possibility of a bullet in my chest.
I've used ceramic and kevlar professionally (aka: it's been issued to me), but, never steel. At first, I was going to get the ceramic like I'm used to, but, started thinking about the multi-hit capability of the steel. Here's my thinking (and no, I'm not saying I'm correct. Just my opinion and I could be wrong)... If you're using it professionally hitting targets or on a SWAT/Tactical Team, the lightweight benefits of ceramic makes sense to me. Those raids are "normally" not that long and drawn out (I know things don't always go to plan), and if you do end up getting hit in your ceramic plates (and you survive. Kinda important), you can get new plates once you're back on base, back at your department, etc. However, in a SHTF scenario for the everyday citizen, you're not likely to have the option of replacing your compromised plates. Obviously, I don't want to take a hit at all, but, if I take a hit to my ceramic plates after society has collapsed or if WW3 kicks off (ya know, things be looking sketchy nowadays), I don't have a department/agency or a supply unit that can replace my now compromised ceramic plates, and I doubt I'm going to be able to order any new ones online. This is where I think the multi-hit capability of steel plates (that are properly made and coated) would be beneficial, especially if you have your plates in a kevlar sleeve to help the frag-coating even more. Again, just food for thought. I don't think either one is "wrong" for someone to get.
Which is why last night, I finally ordered my first set body armor. I ordered the AR600 Level 3+ Body Armor With BattleVest Plate Carrier Package. I also ordered some trauma pads, an IFAK V3 kit, and a R3S mag pouch, but, that clearly has nothing to do with the armor topic.
I really like this comment and it's good food for thought for the people.
You should look into SRT+ plates. They are made for more common rounds like 7.62x39 and 5.56. The backface of 308. and 30'06 is worrying but, if you put a IIIA soft armor plate behind it, it'll neglect a lot of the Backface trauma. I personally really like the SRT+ plate versus my IV plates, it's thinner and a lot more light weight. Though I have multiple armor plates for the reason: " However, in a SHTF scenario for the everyday citizen, you're not likely to have the option of replacing your compromised plates."
After so many blow to that ceramic plate it will be worthless paperweight
Level IV Ceramics are multi-hit rated. They have to take multiple hits in order to achieve level IV.
@@jeorgedavid3239Why would you be taking like 10+ rounds to the chest?
Please understand that Boron-Carbide ceramic plates aren’t the same as your toilet or coffee cup. Ceramic plates do an excellent job of stopping multiple hits, so long as you’re not getting hit in the exact same 1” spot multiple times by rifle ammunition. 😂
Man, I want to say the SAPI plates we were issued in '04-'05 were ceramic over steel. They were super SUPER heavy, think I estimated around 40lbs for my kit! If I was on my back, I felt like a turtle with my limbs flailing around. Had to roll sideways onto my hands and knees to stand up. Good to see the industry advancing since then.
The vests have soft armor as well.
My deployment was 05-06. I can't confirm that those were some heavy ass ceramic plates!
So glad I found your channel/company a month ago. Its nice to see a company with good affordable products that back it up with informative content... Aaaaaand can make me laugh my ass off.
Great video, thanks for the conformation.
I bought your 10x12 3+ steel frag coated plates before they were certified,, only because I have complete confidence in everything you sell!
Keep it up
Thank you so much for the support and the kind words!
Thank you for sharing. I’ve bought armor and other products from you. 100%satisfied!!!
I’m picking up some more items today. My father served 20 years in the Air Force. I try to support veteran owned companies whenever possible.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!!!
it's our pleasure, appreciate the support my friend
Great video Jake. This among many other things is why I support you and your company.
means a lot Randy, thank you
Jake, if after 20 hits you're not thinking to get "the F outta there", perhaps "steel v ceramic" isn't the top internal conversation to be having?
truth, haha
People just want to compare everything . Having some armor steel or ceramic is better than no armor make a choice and train
I've always taken the hit count conversation to be in the context of needing to fight over and over again.
To oversimplify: buy ceramic for a home invasion, buy steel for societal collapse
There are no perfect solutions, only trade offs
Thanks for this video. When researching which type of plate I wanted I chose your steel plates. Not because of cost but because of how well they hold up. I trust them so much I bought two more plate carriers, one for each of my sons
Thank you so much for trusting your life and your family's life with our equipment. It means the world to us!
Holy smokes, an honest and forthright video! Slow clap for objective information. Three cheers! Ya'll should do more of this.
Thank you! I appreciate the feedback. We will keep them coming
Thank you for finally putting a plate into a carrier unlike so many others. I got a carrier and plates from a guy who sales your products in my state. Thanks for making affordable options
It's our pleasure! Thank you so much for the business
@@TacticonArmament anytime. Plan on getting more stuff from him once he comes back to town next month. You guys have any plans on doing helmets or anything like that?
Love what you guys are doing with social media including your Instagram. I've also bought multiple sets of armor from your company and will continue to do so. My only counter that I would raise is who is actually running slick plate carriers? Anybody wearing a plate carrier is typically at a minimum carrying six magazines of ammo as well as a tourniquet and usually some other type of gear around the front of their body armor. So the issue of bullet splash or spall in my opinion is almost a non-issue in that if you take a round you most likely will have something blowing up around your body. I'm a firm believer in steel plates but also see the value of plates without a buildup coat for the simple fact that no build up coat saves you around 1 lb on your plate carrier front and back. If you throw in side plates, there's about another 1 lb between the two side plates. Personally, knowing that I'm going to have items all over the front of my plate carrier that will explode if ever shot, I'd rather take the weight savings as 3lbs, while not seeming like much, definitely adds up.
Fair enough. Good point on all the kit being a protection point. Thanks for the insight
This company has THE best customer service I have ever had the pleasure to deal with. Keep it up because in the end, that is what keeps your customers coming back! Love the line (paraphrasing) “ if you’re getting shot 20 times in the plate, you need to get the fuck out of the way”.
thanks i'll relay the positive feedback to our CS guys
Thanks for being an honest manufacturer.. when looking at armor, weights are a big factor for me. I’ll take a look at your product line.
Ahh this is refreshing. Was so tired of seeing the hate on steel armor. This really puts it to bed. I have a coating build up on my plates but will be adding a spall sleeve as a failsafe.
I bought a set of both steel and composite from you guys just to have options . And my wife had to have set as well.
That and that few lbs lighter makes a difference for my “non service “ connected knee pain . Goes well with that pleasant ring my head that I would be lonely without.
I do run with my steel setup majority of the time just to prove to myself I still got it .
I enjoy your willingness to dive into details.
I recently snagged a carrier and plates from one of your recent sales. I’ve already written a review on your site, but thank you again for providing a great product at a great price point. Hopefully I never need it, but better to have it and not need it than really wish I had it.
Just bought a Level iii+ plate from AR500 and opted for the build-up fragmentation coat. I was a little apprehensive at first, but this video helped to assuage that apprehensiveness. Thank you for this great info!
great video. thanks for showing & explaining real world considerations. btw, checked your website & i love the minuteman loadout. I already have a good setup, but i might still grab the level 3+ & V2 carrier. that's a great price!
New customer here, I bought a very well priced Optic though, not your manufactured Armor. I very much like the attitude/mind-set of the company. Doing the 2in. outer edge on your plates is a perfect example! Well Done!!! If your scope tracks... I'm coming back for a couple of your plate-carrier combos!
Thankyou I have more knowledge on this subject and thankyou for becoming the most reliable company that actually test prove their product and makes me feel safe in trusting my instincts in these reliable products
Cheers brother
Right on for the honest info and review, and putting your neck on the line shooting your own product
I dont know why but the Redditor nonsense that "a steel plate will get you killed" (so will getting shot?!?), makes me unreasonably mad. Thanks for making a good video with consistent science and an unbiased veiw on both materials.
I like the steel plates it can stop so many more rounds than ceramic plus u don't have to buy a new plate if u drop it. And I would take a steel plate that's been hit with multiple rounds over a ceramic that's been hit I don't care if it didn't have a buildup coating anymore some shrapnel in your arms or neck is better than bullet holes. Great video bro
Thank you for being precise, to the point, without hem hawing around. A nice change of pace. You get a sub.
Remember a while back for a long time I was throwin a lot of comments at ya bout makin somethin like this cause I honestly had my doubts so I definitely do appreciate ya doin this video
Seriously love all the work you guys do, and love your products just as much. Keep it going!
Just bought a new carrier and plates from you today. Stoked to get it.
The best video on UA-cam about plates.
Thank you for posting!!!
Wow man, thank you. I put a lot of time into this video and makes me happy to know its appreciated! Thank you!
You Guys/Tacticon are fkn awesome. I got my first 3 or 4 items from you guys and they are awesome. Getting ready to order another plate carrier and some plates, the 500 bundle
Good afternoon Y’all! First, thanks for being a true company….. 100 % backing your stuff! I have one of your carriers and steel plates, and I have all the faith in them!
Thanks for putting out quality stuff for us, you and your company needs more thanks from us!
Take care and my best to all of you!!
Thank you for the kind words and support my guy! We will continue to do our best!
@@TacticonArmament We know you will!! You have our backs….. we have yours!!! Take care!!!!
Ceramics cool for modern day use when you can buy replacements etc. But for a shtf scenario when resupply of armor is nigh unlikely the longevity of steel would be better imho
I love tacticon. I’m so sick of people fanboying over brands that are break the bank expensive.
I have a red dot that I purchased years ago from you guys and it works beautifully. I love it. Keep doing what your doing
“Steel plates will get you kilt in da streetz” says every internet commando with an extra 50 lbs around their midsection.
Cardio my brothers. Fatties die first.
Thank you for being honest people I found one of your bags on Amazon then found your website and yt channel and have been hooked ever since, turned all my friends onto your products and am getting armor when I get paid, you guys need the elite plate carrier on the ar600 bundle :(
I only recently discovered your channel, good stuff.
I own Tacticon steel and I trust my life with it, and I don't plan on hangin around gettin mag dumped on.
Thanks guys, I love your gear.
You guys are the only company that ive ever seen who actually goes out and tests their Armor. You are the most stand up no BS owners and i greatly appreciate you taking the time and spending the money to test armor and to show the world.
Scientific process? Gives me the warm and fuzzy inside and out
Great vid and always enjoy your content! Keep it up!
7:16 my favorite joke! Lol 😂😂
And... by the way i really enjoy your videos it nice that some people still have a sence of humor.. and i am getting more and more T.A supplies for the family and myself thank you for that
Im buying some right now. You literally sold me with this!
Heck, buy both. Steel for defensive situations, and ceramic for situations where you know you'll be moving around A LOT.
For steel in home defense, I'll have to make sure everyone else is far enough from me, in case the fragmentation coating fails.
Well ya sold it to me gents. Good job being so open.
Our pleasure my friend. We want to be as transparent as possible!
You're a talented mediator.
Best bet is a steel sandwich, 3a Kevlar layers up front, steel plate, 3a Kevlar under. That way the Kevlar stops penetration while the steel eats the impact force.
I also have a Kevlar collar, for any splash in the throat.
If fragmentation only occurs when you already have been hit 20+ times, it won't certainly be a problem anymore ...
Took advantage of your recent sale. Added kevlar sleeves.
Good to know! I really appreciate the support and business
For steel, it would be nice to have some kevlar protection in the top half of the carrier to protect the neck. Ya it would be a lot more expensive but I'd buy it if running steel. Old breastplates back in the day utilized a v shaped ridge to stop and redirect arrowheads (from 100lb +yew longbows) that deflected upward toward the neck after impacting the armor. A similar v-shaped ridge would probably also work against splash heading to the neck.
It all depends on what you get hit with.
Just bought some of the level 3+ steel plates. Just know that if i die while wearing these from splash, im coming to haunt you, lol.
I love my 3+ ar600. The ceramic we had in iraq that was multi hit rated ,I believe, was good for 3-5 rounds. The government made me fought in combat with that, and I was grateful.
Much love for ceramic! That's why we make them. We're just really don't like false rhetoric being spread.
Id say the heavier issue isn't a huge con for steel plates because you can train your body to be used to carrying that little bit extra weight, you can't train the ceramics or your body to withstand more rounds. The standard arguement to that is well I'll be able to move faster in ceramics, yes but there's also a higher possibility of having that catastrophic failure with it.
Hi out of curiosity but why is it that when you see sci fi armor of the more reasonable and realistic kind, such as say the halo ODST, UNSC marine, 40K tempestus scions and so on, where you see them covered in plates of armor, why is it that modern soldiers today don’t wear that sort of armor despite it’s supposed extra protection?
Why don't companies try a kevlar covering on the plate carrier surrounding the plate?
There are some. They are called Frag Sleeves. I plan on testing some out soon, and some alternative methods
I think the price per sleeve is around like $30 but I need to double check
Not that I ever doubted it but feel even more confident now about my ar500 level 3+ 🤘
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Facts
ar500 from the company of the same name isnt armor
if its not NIJ CERTIFIED its a liability and will get you killed, dont try and claim your cheap garbage is something it isnt
@jakegrube9477 Appreciate the comment brother, but @samrivera4736 is actually a customer who purchased his AR500 steel armor from Tacticon so his armor is indeed NIJ Certified. I understand where you're coming from though, if he were talking about the Company "AR500" who does not certify their steel then it's a no-go
@@TacticonArmament rut roh raggy 😱
Dude you run a company how it should. Super impressed with your NIJ cert congrats. Im buying from you guys.
“If you’ve taken 20 rounds and you start getting fragmentation coming out of the plate… you should probably get the fuck outta the way”
This line sent me
I got 3+ from Spartan Armor Systems, buildup coat, trauma pads, and spall sleeves, the pad and 3+ both fit inside the spall sleeve. Your life is yours to decide its worth, but I personally believe 500 or so bucks for a one time purchase if you don't get shot for the shelf life of 10 to 20 years. Stay safe, stay alert, stay alive, and stay armed.
Only steal not ceramic. Ceramic has a shelf life of about 5 years then it needs to be replaced because it deteriorates.
I wonder if the dudes that say STEEL ARMOR WILL KILL YOU WITH SPALLING think they're going to be shot at with HESH?
Respect- thank you for the tests and thoughts 👍
Love the explanation, not sure these “other companies” would be so honest about it.
Thanks Brother!
Nice job. 1st video I've seen going through so much detail. One thing I would like to remind people is you don't want to get shot in the 1st place. 1 or 10 rounds, you're going to feel it. Possible broken ribs, absolutely trouble breathing and definitely not wanting to take another round. 👏👏👏👏👏
These are two individuals I would get a beer with. Cheers, gentlemen.
I wear 2 steel plates for my head and a 10 pound kevlar vest for back and chest. It’s not that heavy once you get used to it. 🤷🏻♂️
Everywhere I go I'm in a giant steel box surrounded by armor with wheels and transparent armor in the front so I can see where I'm going
@@TacticonArmament that’s what I need for my windows I swear
My favorite channel for ballistic protection on UA-cam. And remember guys, if you so happen to find that there are 20 holes in your plate carrier, please do get the f outta there.
Love y’all’s gear! Awesome plate carries and bags
Thank you for doing what you all do. Happy 4th of July.
Great video and explanation, but correct me if i am wrong. If 2” of the perimeter is not to be considered then you must deduct 4” from overall dimension in both width and height. Correct?
I appreciate these videos from you and how you break it down you have my business and my families business
And if you have some Kevlar just laying around, you could put it has a cover on top of your steel plates too. To help against splatter too.
Question.... is there anything someone could add to there steel plates at home to help build up more?
Well I appreciate this as a former us marine I like it when it’s sweet and simple have you tested dropping ceramic plates to see if that affects the over all durability of the plates ? And if you haven’t could you it’s a big reason I’m a steel guy myself I can’t see the use of something like a plate that wouldn’t be usable after a few drops or “light” impacts like diving into the ground
Me and some friends of mine were at a USPSA competition. We had a Ricochet from a pistol come directly back and catch my friend in the neck. Luckily enough of us were there with medkits to take care of it until the ambulance got there. Yes it did hit his artery and he was very close to death even though we were only 10 minutes away from the emergency room. This incident did make the local news
Great information,awesome channel guys!!
Well back in my day we said arterial bleeding toughened you up.....😆 Good video and good info presented in a clear and logical fashion. Nice.
If you don't wake up in the morning to a bowl of nails for breakfast you're a sissy
A test I'd like to see, which I have yet to see is to shoot the plates at various angles.
You are more than likely not going to be standing square to your target when you take fire, will a bullet ricochet off into your buddies with steel with spall coat? How does ceramic react in this same situation?
Is there no standard Kevlar inserts/ panels that go over the steel plat once it's put in the plate carrier?
I recently saw a video of guys shooting 1/2" plate with 5.56 and it didn't penetrate (just regular, mild steel). They stepped it up to 3/4" and it stopped 308 rounds. I've got full 1" thick plates in my plate carriers (for exercise purposes, it is heavy). I was curious about actual ballistics plates made of regular steel and found this video. It looks like that raw (uncoated) steel plate you tested was pretty thin, though. Maybe 1/4" or 3/8"?
Ceramic and polyuth stuff is better IF you can reliably re-supply and restock them if you ever have to use them. Their shelf life and material doesnt last as long. For "emergency" SHTF scenario's, I'll take steel alloys properly coated. They will last and the slight risk of potential fragmentation is less risky than total plate failure
Plus, steel can stop more than just bullets, and while unlikely. It may be more useful. The US gov military operates on the notion of near-infinite supplies and restocks. That is not the norm, and civlians would do well to equip properly
I have 11x14 and 6x8 side steel plates. For only a couple lbs lighter and 3 times more expensive, I'm good with steel rather than ceramic. Wore them on a 7 hrs ruck and it was fine.
Will it help if the bare steel plate has some rolled up curves near the throat and the armpits like the old knights' cuirasses do?
I think I’m about ready. This is a great video full of information.
3:53 I don't know why you said 2 inches doesn't seem like much, that is MASSIVE!
YUGE
My girlfriend does agree that 2 inches is yuge
@@adamgonzalez7450 Your girlfriend is a keeper
How long does anti splash coating last? Does it degrade from moisture/heat/weather/etc?
Comporto lo que dice una armadura AR500 requiere de un tratamiento poliuretano que debe de venir con el auque aún así suelen saltar partículas así que es interesante recubrirla con foam para que esas partículas rompan alrededor de esa espuma
Just bought your plate carrier and plates bundle super awesome stuff. Already want another set.
Thanks for the support my friend If there's anything to do for you down the road please don't hesitate to ask. I appreciate the business
I wear steel plates, i love them i dont care about the weight. Get in shape and the weight of the equipment that can save ur life wont matter. GREAT VIDEO!🙏🏾