Too Important for a "Clickbaity" Title. Shopsmith Table Saw Safety
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- Опубліковано 10 бер 2024
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Thanks Scott… the “IDIOT” stamp on my forehead won’t wash off.
No matter how much of a hurry I’m in or how many distractions I have… there’s no excuse for being careless in the shop.
I shared this to show how easy it is to lull yourself into thinking “Safety Second”.
As I said, thank you so much for sharing this. I’ve heard of this happening, and understood how it could happen, but have never seen it recorded. It was super scary, but it certainly taught a valuable lesson. Now people need to go and subscribe to your channel! Scott.
@@MyGrowthRings again thanks…I do have a stop collar, push blocks, extension legs… and I’ll own a riving knife as soon as it ships. It doesn’t ‘feel’ quite as overpriced as it did a couple of weeks ago.
You’ll note that there was a push stick sitting there to complete the cut once the end of the wood got into the table… I just hadn’t got there yet. But, the push block would have been a wiser choice.
Regardless of whether I had these devices available… if I didn’t use them I set myself up for failure!
We will never know how many injuries Dave's video prevents.
@@TheWoodworkersToolbox Tom…. It will stop at least one… ‘cause I ain’t gonna do it again! 🤓
As I am finally a brand spanking new Shopsmith owner (and soon to be user) of a >>very nicely
Hals Wood Shop. SS owner 30 years. My 5 point plan...either from class or my own...with the right hand.. make a circle of the handles. headstock, quill, table ,, carraige, then table height.
so fast and easy to check each one tight and familiar angle. I taught this to the lady who bought my used SS and she was impressed that it was so easy. Good Video.
It is… and I normally do. But, obviously not this time.
Thanks
I remember early on taking some shopsmith classes when it was mentioned to use the stop collar on the table saw tubes. I loved the idea and have used them ever since, esp with any cuts where I am not doing a through cut. :-) Great reminder Scot!
Riving knives from other companies come from China. Thank you Nick for keeping Shopsmith made in the USA! I will gladly pay for USA made!
I don’t know where the SS riving knife is made.
I saw it over and over in the Navy.
Complacency is the bane of safety.
Thanks to the person for sharing what happened and Scott for recognizing the incident needed to be shared here also. The blessing was no one was hurt.
YOu've got that right.
Great advice. Anyone who rides motorcycles or ATVs has a similar checklist called T-CLOC that should be performed every time you get ready to ride. I was disappointed to see that the riving knife will not work on the 500. One more reason why I will never use my Shopsmith as a table saw again.
Hey, Mark. I love your channel. Just wanted to say, I have the fancy schmancy SS adjustable stop collar and I love it for micro adjustments of dado depths, etc. It's beefy and calibrated for exact depth adjustment by rotating the threaded top. I never thought much about the 5-point safety check until you introduced me to it but, now I can't turn on the saw without seeing your face! 🙂 Thank you.
Sorry about the face thing!
Thank you for sharing this and providing a good reminder about shop safety.
As an extremely safety conscious woodworker, owning Shop Smith since the mid-eighties, I am well aware of the occasional safety slip that happens to me. Yes, I am chagrined when it happens, although there is no You Tube watching me. I saw what Dave had occur last week and it was so brave of him to share the reminder with all of us. At 79 years-of-age I still have all ten phalanges, by God's grace. I appreciate other woodworkers opening their vulnerabilities as reminders to the masses. Thanks Scott
Thanks William…. At 70 YO myself, I hear ya.
With shipping, the riving knife is $49.99 I appreciate you lobbying for a lower price. I do so few cuts where I'd use it, that, for $50, I've been postponing buying it.
I’ve seen the video you’re talking about and my first impression was “why wasn’t he using a push block?” Just for that reason.
Live and learn. This lesson was cheap because there were no injuries.
Keep em coming.
IKR?
First my sincere Thanks to Dave for sharing that scary close call video. I've had similar close calls but, never with a camera running. Like Dave I've been lucky to escape serious injury. I'm guessing that's party because I take the danger of this equipment seriously. Some pretty smart instructors teach that all power tools are potential murder machines. This made the correct impression on me and I regard them as such. I've watched talented UA-cam Woodworkers run pieces over open blades and dado blades to cut groves, without even using push blocks. I had a very experienced neighbor who made hamburger out of two of his fingers doing pushing and pulling a piece while using dado blades. Something went wrong and it kicked back pulling his leading hand back into the dado stack. He lost most of two fingers while his wife watched. After he went through several surgeries to close up his nubs and to try and end the severe nerve pain he still had well after the initial accident. His accident was not on a Shopsmith. So yes, 5 point safety check and anything else that you need to do to not have your hands, etc., in harms way.
Yewzers. That would leave an impression.
Thanks to sassfrasvalley for sharing this video. Quite an eye opener. Scott thanks for all of the safety tips. I am really glad I bought riving knife a few years ago. I am also thankful that Shopsmith did include the push sticks and push blocks.
All good stuff that is easy to get complacent about. Thanks for the reminders! I would add that cutting that octagonal piece he had reduces the face area and stability of the wood face on the table top, and too much pressure side to side could result in a bind and kickback. Perhaps make that center line cut before the sides are chamfered.
Bingo… I realized that I did it out of sequence too late!
Thanks.
Thanks for covering the five point safety check.
You bet!
I always have stop collars positioned on both tubes of the table. I keep one always at a table depth of 1-2 inches for this very reason illustrated in the video. We all make mistakes and forget and this practice helps protect me!
I’ve often thought about adding a second one, but never truly felt the need. It certainly would prevent any chance of the table moving.
Great safety recap. I do agree that the SS riving knives are very expensive for what they are. But, I should still buy one.
Thanks for the safety reminders!
My pleasure, Bob.
It always amazes me when I see experienced woodworkers pushing a piece of. wood through the blade with a hand or fingers between the blade and the fence....kickbacks happen so fast that any avoidance reaction would be too late. Always use a push stick or block of some sort.
Agreed on push blocks. What he did, especially with the octagonal pieces of wood, was very dangerous..
Great safety reminder. I use all the items you mentioned in using the table saw. Don't forget the saw guard below the table that it is locked to. I have had it slip to. The safety on the 520 series is better than the old 500 I had where I never used the furnished saw guard above the table or the one below the table. Somehow I survived by being very careful. My old 500 is now my sanding station.
I am not a ShopSmith owner but I've wanted one ever since I first learned about them. This incident gives me pause. The fact that it's even possible for the deck to move when set up as a table saw is shocking to me. The use of the tablesaw is arguably responsible for more shop accidents than any other tool even with a fixed deck. To think that the blade could possibly (effectively) rise up and through a piece is distressing and makes me wonder what other potential hazards there may be that are exclusive to this tool?
Anything is possible if you don’t pay attention.
Gppd reminders Scott. We all need to remember these checks in the heat of making when our thoughts are on the project.
Another good idea is to check spelling on posts BEFORE you push the button 🫣
Scott, I am so happy to hear that you have ordered the riving knife. I was legitimately concerned that you didn't have one. I don't feel safe making non-thourgh cuts without one. Before SS came out with the riving knife I had a splitter mounted to a zero-clearance insert, and that was okay but not perfect. Then I decided I was going to make my own riving knife, and I was actually in the process of making one when Shopsmith came out with their version, so I purchased that.
One of those oh crap moments! No one is perfect 100% of the time, and this can happen. Back when I was young, teenager young, I thought the Shop Smith would have been a cool thing to have. Have never owned one or even seen one that I can remember. Still think it was a cool idea and have nothing against it. Now that I’ve seen more videos about them I see that it’s not quite as simple to do a switch over as I thought back in the day just looking at Popular Mechanics ads and such for them. A few more procedures to do are a few more times to forget something or not do it fully. But this can happen with all power tools. They may not have as many steps to change something out, but sometimes the simplest tasks can be the most hazardous because it is second nature and we don’t have to think about it. I don’t know about everyone else, but walking is pretty second nature for me, however I have tripped and fell a time or two.
It’s just like driving a manual transmission. Once you learn, you don’t even have to think about it, but if you get away from it for a while and try to use it without thinking, you’ll get yourself into trouble.
@@MyGrowthRings Yup!
Thanks for the information and heads up on this issue. I went and ordered a stop collar after seeing your channel.
Glade to hear it. It’s an inexpensive ounce of prevention. Scott
Thanks for the safety information.
Riving knife should come standard, Shopsmith.
Great video to demonstrate the importance of the 5 point check. I had to watch the video a 2nd time at 1/2 speed to see all that was going on, but it seems at the very least the table height was not secured adequately. It looks like he purposely pushed down on the back end of the board to abort the cut, which then contributed to the kick back. Also some other safety issues were lacking...fence and table mounted featherboards might have helped. The OLD style of hold downs that are available for the Mark 500 might be useful if they can be mounted to the 520 fence/table. If he had been using a push stick, he possibly could have pushed the wood through the cut.
The biggest issue was not locking the table, and I’m not sure exactly how he would’ve used feather boards on a piece of stock that shaped like his. Perhaps, if he added feather boards on top of some blocks to raise them up. Either way, I’m glad that he got away from this unscathed.
Since there is no SS spliter knife for my 500, I think my only option would be something from Microjig and modify my table insert. Can't spend the money for system upgrade to a 510 or 520. :(
Yeah, that’s tough. Well, at least you can do the other four things. Be safe and make sawdust, my friend. Scott
I made a similar mistake about a year ago and am missing a piece of my middle finger. Was making a groove with a dado blade, the end of board had passes the blade, I set my hand down on the end to hold it down and it kicked back drawing my finger over the dado blade, lost the tip to the first joint. 😮Should have used a hold down block.
Hindsight… so sorry to hear about that, Dave.
Well said!
Another!! most excellent video!
Oops! I meant Scott. Apologies 😞
It’s OK. Even my wife called me Mark on our first date.
1000% of the river knife price. I made my own from an old blade because of the price. I got my SS for $200, 1/4+ the price for the knife doesn’t make sense.
safety can never be gone over to much. all tools have possibility of injury. newbies are not yet comfortable with the tool have yet to develop positive respect for the tool; those of us that can be called journeymen often lose respect because of familiararity. (almost all my injuries are from loseing that respect)
I've had a LOT of problems with the table moving like that when in drill press mode. Luckily I haven't run into that when sawing. Would love to see some advice for conquering my drill press table movement issue.
Scary, appreciate you sharing this.
Which Mark do you own? It shouldn’t move if it is properly tightened, except when mortising. I’ve covered my solution for that in a mortising video. If you have a 510/20 then you need to tighten the wedge on the carriage following the set-up in the manual.
@@MyGrowthRings Mine is a 510. I've also had issues with the table flexing a bit when using it for horizontal boring. Almost like the pressure of the bit causes the whole table and work piece to flex away from the headstock. Frustrating.
@@BadAppleWoodwerx Yes, that’s something I’ve talked about. Whenever I am doing that type of operation I Walsh’s either butt the main table against an extension table or connect it to the extension table with the table tubes.
Great video
Shop Smith Tablesaw component known to be very dangerous. No riving knife, table to high, small table, just a bad design. Far safer to have a separate tablesaw. Other components seem fine.
You say “known to be very dangerous” yet there are no more documented injuries from Shopsmith table saw use then from standalone table saw use. The danger you describe is perceived by some users and as a result, those folks are probably wise to approach sawing in a different way. Scott