Apple's RAM Scam
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- Опубліковано 7 лис 2023
- Apple recently revealed their new MacBook Pro and iMac models and it marked their eleventh year being stuck with 8GB of RAM. During the same period, iPhone went from 1GB of RAM to 8.
So why is Apple being so stingy with the Mac? Well, the short answer is because they can. Apple’s business strategy is to offer an appealing products that trap users into their ecosystem. That way, they can avoid direct competition with other companies. - Наука та технологія
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I am pretty sure you use PowerPoint slides to an extent. I might be wrong.
Btw, did you check the speed of the ram. If they made their own chip they could make their own ram with speeds to match. Say that normal ram is slow than Mac ram only because it has to be compatible with not just one cpu (Intel, AMD, Etc). Now since only M(1-3) that means they could put their own protocol for ram etc.
@@CaptainMaxwell7keynote
Lenovo looks really cool. Only $499. Qualcomm is coming for Apple with their new chip
The fact even Apple Explained is calling them out on being really cheap with RAM is incredible.
Yup it says a lot
Well, it is Apple Explained for a reason
Respect to AE
Don’t know what’s so incredible about it. He’s explaining an Apple strategy. „Apple“ „explained“
@@ActuallyAwesomeName Usually when he does these kind of videos he always tries to sugarcoat it as a neutral or good thing. But not this time. I can hear the anger in his voice
Not only is it only 8 GB of ram, It’s 8 GB of ram SHARED between the CPU and GPU
Does it have an iGPU? I can't imagine a dedicated GPU not having its own VRAM
@@bran_rxthat’s not how the m1/m2/m3 work. They are SOC’s so everything is in one “chip” so as a result, the cpu/gpu share ram
@@bran_rx Nope. Only dedicated GPUs have their own VRAM. On Apple silicon the GPU is integrated on the same SoC as the CPU, so they share RAM. Same with the Intel integrated graphics on PC.
@@AndrewNineTenNone of these have dedicated GPUs.
Didn’t think about that… when working on even modest projects, low ram would mean swapping to the ssd and be utterly brutal.
now $1700 mac has the same amount of ram as an $150 phone 💀💀💀
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the iPhone isn't too far off in price from the Mac.
@@superstar64i mean they did not specify WHICH phone
No you don't get that much RAM in a phone for that price. iPhones are about $1000 so not far off. The real selling point isn't RAM but the hyper efficient Apple OS.
motorola sells a 300 dollar phone with 12gb memory
@@papercut-hu5ji 12GB for a Mediatek Helio device? Useless.
I used to order my Macs with the minimal amount of RAM, order the RAM I wanted from Techworks, then install it myself. Apple caught on to this, and started soldering on the RAM and welding their cases shut.
you werent alone. many others did the same thing as you, which is why apple decided to ruin their macs
Sure, you were the one and only who did that, only because of you they solder them
Lots of pc manufacturers did that and went bankrupt in the past
@@DarkstarDarth doing what? allowing people to replace their ram? why would it make them bankrupt?
@@SubtitleXD ….because they soldered most parts on their MB’s like ACER and Hewlett-Packard did to name a few.
8GB RAM on “pro” devices is such a scam
*iScam
then get a DELL, Dude !
@@goobfilmcast4239unproductive ass comment
But they aren't scamming pros
Yeah ikr
16gb should be the base option in 2023, period. Apple is just being extremely stingy.
They are not forcing u to buy, simply just dont buy apple products
Apple says, because of it's integration, it's comparable to a 16GB on PC's.
Do you even notice the difference bruh??
@@PromotingTheBeat They're saying that because of how Apple handles the swipe file with their fast SSDs makes it less noticeable to the average user. This doesn't take away the fact that constantly writing and deleting a swap file to your SSD is also decreasing the SSDs life. Which by the way is non-removable. There's no magic happening here.
@PromotingTheBeat It's most certainly not comparable. Use a few Chrome tabs here, a bit of Apple Music there, and oops, you're out of memory. For $1599, no excuse.
Once you enter iJail, your there for life
lmao great logic there buddy 💀 @@aqfj5zy
If you're exceptionally stupid, sure
@@aqfj5zy So doing legal loopholes is alright since it's not illegal
@@aqfj5zyThis is the most inevitable bankruptcy comment I’ve ever seen in my life
@@aqfj5zy Its totally not a scam! As long as you dont compare it to literally anything else not made by apple...
It's not just RAM. SSDs are literally the same thing. They are soldered, and the price of extra storage is exorbitant.
You can get external SSD if you need it but everything is on cloud now so you don't really need it.
I really hate Apple, their design an their practices... but I appreciate the thing that my garbage macbook has a replacable SSD... but proprietary.
But cloud is such a scam. I would never put my personal files on someone else's computer. Only on my home cloud. And it is way cheaper if you use it for a long time.
@@jonfreeman9682 so just buy a Chromebook then loser
And it's designed to kill itself after some time (for example DC-DC fails and pass through 12V into SSD, PMIC's also often dies and are unobtainable - more on Louis Rossmanns YT)
Not even Apple Explained could hold back
No, just hating on Apple gives you clicks and popularity, which means it makes money.
The best way to make money is to hate Apple.
I love Apple products, but I also believe we need to boycott scams like 8GB RAMs
Disagree, 8gb works wonders on my MacBook Air m1. And I think the m3 mbp is a great product, but it should be clearly seperated from the m3 pro and m3 max models. However, on m3 pro mbp, it *should* be the base option.
@@_nbsp Its a 1600$ laptop and we are almost in 2024, its a straight scam even if it works wonder lol
and 200 more for just 16gb.. thats so
@@_nbspYes, I shouldve been clearer. 8gb definitely matches MacBook Air for light workflows. But for a MacBook Pro with M3 pro and fans, it just doesn’t make any sense. My grudge against rams is just they are ridiculously overpriced
@@_nbspas a mbp m1 owner, i disagree... 16gb ram should be the starting point. There are people who actually need to work.
200$ for an extra 8Gb RAM. What a rip off. Consumerism is what keeps Apple floating.
200$ can buy you 112 gigs of ddr4 3200mhz rgb ram now 💀
@@misery55 they advertised that their 8gb mac is 16gb of PC. What liars
Also worth mentioning that only thing different between low RAM and high RAM versions hardware-wise are... Missing ram modules. All motherboards are the same and if you buy 8 GB of RAM you just have empty pads on the motherboard waiting for ram to be soldered on... ram modules that cost like 15$ each.
requires only 1 PCB design, so i get why but still. lame
o theres no space. u dont think they are THAT dumb do u lol
But they don't give you any slot to put anything in. They're all pre built like that so you have to buy the right configuration.
As the price of solid state storage - both RAM and VNAND - has decreased dramatically in the last few years, it has became more and more evident that Apple was taking advantage over their customers with a pincer action - remove user upgrade ability and overprice the extra memory options.
Today, selling the extra RAM at four or five times the market price has become unjustifiable.
Today I'm glad that Apple Explained, traditionally very sympathetic toward the company, is calling this memory sale with the proper name...
Stay away from Apple for a generation or two and they’ll come to heel. Personally, I use a weedy little Macbook for writing... and an upgradeable Windows desktop for anything that needs real computing power. After a couple of years I added a second M.2 drive and upgraded the graphics with no drama at all.
@@gdutfulkbhh7537 Many people are locked into the Apple ecosystem. Swapping to something else would be a royal pain in the ass because Apple has made transitioning from their products as difficult as possible.
Have you seen the cost of upgrading to 8tb? 2200 flipping dollarinos, same as the m2. More than double the price of a top lvl 8TB gen 4 ssd which offer identical perf, and looking to be just about double the price of bloody gen 5 SSDs of similar storage, which will offer almost double the read & write performance of gen 4. Not to mention, the base models of the m3 family are all stuck on gen 3 speeds, which is worse when you remember the ram situation. Bruuuuh
F*cked is an understatement describing how messed up these guys are.
Luke miani is a secret son of an executive of apple.
It's been obvious for more than a decade though... Before you could at least buy 3rd party hardware to improve your mac, now everything is soldered or even in a single chip so it's impossible to do any of this anymore.
Yeah, it wasn't that big a deal when you could easily add RAM yourself, but once that option was removed we were totally screwed.
You want to add memeory into a SOC Chip ?
@@photographiezautrement nope. The RAM nowadays in the iMac's are close to near impossible to upgrade. Which why I am staying away from the Apple Silicon Mac's and sticking with Intel, because at least there I can upgrade the RAM easily, with the only exception being the macbook's
@@adamillo So, there is no problem in fact ?
@@photographiezautrement if you still use an Intel mac instead of the newer Apple silicon mac's then you can upgrade the RAM with the exception being the Macbook Air and Macbook Pro
@@adamillo And ?
For my POV, it is even more surprising that people willingly choose to enter a closed ecosystem done just one brand, not even an oligopoly, for their computers, tablets and phones.
Even if that company is very big, the key is that they are only one decisor and you depend on them.
Most of us entered it because PCs are the scam. Everything you have to constantly fiddle with, adjust and add on. You don’t know what you are buying with PC brands. Mac OS doesn’t need as much Ram because the OS is more efficient, unlike Windows.
@@TheBooban sure 🤣literally repeat what apple's pr say, get a 16gb PC and run test yourself, u isheep
@@TheBoobanPCs are easy for me, it's just a skill issue I guess
Also Windows has programs and Backward compatibility
Unlike MacOS Windows has games
@@TheBooban but why charge 400$ for 28GB ram (to take the base 8 to 32)?
It's even worse when it comes to storage, because even if the base storage is enough space for you, you get half the speed of higher tiers. They introduced this "incentive" with M2 models.
The absurd upgrade prices are pretty much the only reason I don't have a Mac. They are charging $800 to upgrade from a 256GB to 2TB SSD. A new 2TB, high quality, faster SSD can be purchased for less than $150. Why in the world would I choose to pay more than 5x the price? It is obscene. And they wonder why they are struggling to sell hardware.
Yep, I have a Windows desktop and laptop and an iPhone + Apple Watch. The pricing of the other devices are relatively competitive and it isn't that hard to back up the iPhone to a PC. Never saw the need for a Mac.
Not a great idea to store that much on your local system. Get the 512GB and a NAS, you'll be better off.
@@mikequinn8780 You are apparently not a heavy user. I have about 500GB of just programs installed (not games). If you are a gamer you can fill a 500GB drive with three or four modern AAA titles. Either way, you really don't want to run them off a NAS. Besides, having local access to files is way better than only having access to them over a network. It might make sense in some workloads, but it really doesn't for many others. And if you buy a 2TB for a reasonable price you can easily buy a NAS with all the money you saved!
@@mikequinn8780 a NAS is great but why does it matter how much you store on your system if it's backed up on the rule of three (unless it's dozens of TB). Seems like an irrelevant point
@@valmirius You can do it responsibly with the right backup system. It’s just that most people don’t. I’d also point out that you can buy a lot of cloud storage for a long time for the price of that 2TB upgrade.
This is so true.
A $1000 laptop let alone $1600 should NEVER start a 8gb RAM…
@@theglassarrow_ checked best buy's website and the only laptops over $800 that have 8gb ram are macs and surface tablets so I'm not sure how common that actually is these days. Maybe 2 years ago.
@@theglassarrow_ No it isn't lol
@@theglassarrow_ 8GB ram isn’t common for laptops 1k+, you probably mistook the dedicated GPU vram as the system ram.
@@theglassarrow_8GB is Chromebook level. That's the $300-$599 price point. I doubt you can find an Intel/AMD Laptop in 2023 with less than 8GB RAM for more than $900.
a 3050 has 4gb vram@@Ben21756
Was really planning on buying a macbook air recently, but the 8GB and absurd price for upgrading it let me to buy a Lenovo laptop. For 1200 dollars I now have 32GB ram, a 7840HS chip which performs similar to the M2 and 1TB!! of SSD.
Battery life might be a tradeoff but well it's not like we live in the 19th century where power ports are scarce, yeah you made a good choice
Hit the nail on the head on something that’s been infuriating me for several years, now: Apple’s RAM upgrade prices are _absolutely_ a ripoff. Or, if they’re not I’d love to see them justify why 1) they cannot design boards with RAM slots, and 2) the true speed/efficiency advantage of SoC RAM.
SoC RAM is faster than the same RAM on normal DIMM module due to lower latency. How much faster? Probably not by much in the real world.
But otherwise yeah there’s nothing special about Apple’s RAM, it’s literally LPDDR5, (6400Mhz if I remember correctly, so it’s not even fast RAM, it’s pretty mainstream.)
It’s just ridiculous that they likely pay ~$20/8GB and turn around to us and ask for 10x that.
Their storage pricing is even worse. They use low grade NVME storage by today’s standard. PCIE Gen 5 has 3-6x the read and write speed of what Mac offers while also being half the cost of what Apple charges for the upgrade, it’s a joke. Like don’t even bother upgrading your storage, just run an external thunderbolt drive.
You be lucky they don't charge more. Each time you we hear something bitchy outta you, 2x price increase for you, buddie.
They cannot design boards with ram slots? Ram slots literally are just conncectors like usb or etc. also they had ram slots before
@@user-qw5jl3ej8j ARM processors are by design not built that way.
But you forget they're not using cheap RAM. They are lightning fast RAM not the cheap stuff you're thinking of. These are premium RAM modules.
The fact that you actually took a stance against this behavior is incredible to me, as you usually sugarcoat what Apple does.
If you really watch this guy, he ain’t a glazer 👌😅
8GB is totally fine for many people who work online. Yes more ram would be better but if you just need better device then buy more ram. I dont understand why people call it scam. Buy something different then.
@@examplenameyoutube Look at the price...
Nobody is arguing that 8 gb is likely fine for many uses, we are arguing that you charge 2000+ dollars for a macbook that has 8 gb of ram is absolute insanity.
@@examplenameyoutube people mostly do buy something different because it is a scam... LOL
The worst part about Apple imo. Thanks for being honest about it! 😂
the second worst is their SSDs, unupgradable and start at 1TB with their max spec 16 inch macbook, and theyll take 2.5k for the 8TB version, a 2TB version will cost you 460 bucks additionally, my Laptop has 2 Upgradable slots and getting the maximum of 8TB per slot, ie 16TB total with the best SSDs on the market will not even get me over 1k in price, their 8TB option literally is double the cost of my entire Laptop. 128GB of Ram will also cost you 1.150 bucks, which would only cost you 500 bucks for 2 64GB DDR5 Laptop sticks.
same with storage, it cost 3 organs to get an extra 69gb of storage
Nah, I still can't over the headphone jack.
scam? just don't buy. prices are given in advance. no one is hiding anything.
@@nnnnnn3647 I won’t thanks.
You can also talk about the differences of price for the stockage where you can have the 1to option for the macbook pro M3 at +100$ and the same upgrade on the M3 Pro would be +200$ for no reasons
Fantastic that a video is this short and informative. If only UA-cam were full of these videos.
Their Pro models should be 32GB minimum. 16GB should be on the air. Really hoping for some great laptop models using the Snapdragon X Elite.
And 1TB HD's.
At least you can buy external drives to add storage, while ram is just nor upgradeable
At those prices? YES!
@@kenos6939
Majority of windows computers have replaceable storage, on Mac its soldered.
@@jimtipton8888ssd*
Apple's strategy is making the baseline model relatively cheap so that they could make an eye-catching headline like "Starting at only $999!", but the baseline model has a significant flaw so that most people end up spending more. Last year, the cheapest MacBook had only one SSD chip instead of two; this year the cheapest model has only one fan instead of two.
apple aint the only one doing this. the auto industry has been doing this for a while.
@@Base5700 Yeah, I know car manufacturers doing that. But maybe not so common in the $1000+ laptop market.
@@Base5700 Yep, I hate when they make a 3-wheeled car and no steering wheel for a basic model
Doesn't seem cheap to me, sir
@@MIchaelSybiIt is cheap inside.
If I'm not mistaken the 8GB to 16GB costs Apple 17 dollars or something ridiculous like that. I think they just want to charge the mid price but use the lower price as "starting from" in ads expecting no one buys it, and if you do one upgrade psychologically you're inclined to do another upgrade
For the price of going to 32 gigs, which is the lowest I'd advise for anyone who is doing more than the most basic of video edits, I could've bought a 64 gig kit for the system I built.
people who buy apple products are rich or tech ignorant , theres no more options
Also it took them around 8 years to finally have sufficient storage on base model iPhones. I remember that 16GB even in 2015 was considered too little.
yeah that was really embarrassing. To this day a majority of there customers still don't understand storage on there iphones and how much they might actually need
@@thetechlibrarian But I agree that 128GB is right for most people today. Heck mine is 256GB and not even half full.
@@thatoneuser5066 mine is 256gb and it is always full. I could use 512gb or 1tb
@@thatoneuser5066 Same, I bought 256GB 13 pro with the expectation that my photos and videos might take a lot of space, but because of icloud, I am barely at 50 GB used!
The difference is that the iPhone has to directly compete with Android. Millions of people use basically just their phone as their computing device, and maybe they have an old Windows laptop lying around somewhere. The Mac lineup, as stated in this video, isn't really directly competing with Windows. Mac users tend to be either Apple enthusiasts or creatives who rely on Logic or Final Cut, or other software that has Mac priority. Joe Schmo will just buy a relatively affordable Windows laptop for file management and MS Office, so Apple doesn't need to factor in his unwillingness to pay scam prices.
This is why I sold my MacBook pro back in 2014. I thought (stupidly) that I could upgrade my RAM with two sticks, but when I figured out it was soldered on, I sold it and went back to a laptop. People should speak up.
This is why I will buy a windows laptop instead of Mac
Agreed and I also use Linux which I love.
@@nickdevaney2588 would you kindly share which Linux are you using?
@@minhthiendx I use Ubuntu, Suse, CentOS and many others. Kali for Pentesting. :)
MacBook pro unibody from 2010 to 2013 are the goated ones because they're easily upgradable. 13 inch 2012 MacBook pro is the sweetest spot. 15 inches above and retina's starts to fail their discrete GPUs on this date.
Releasing ANYTHING in 2023 with under 16gb is criminal
The same thing they do with phones. The storage on your phone is still available, but they still they send you application to buy cloud storage when you are not even halfway through the storage on your phone I think the government need to look look into this thing.
I'd reasonably estimate that Apple could probably add another 8GB chip onto the board for $20ish dollars a unit with their scale and wholesale agreements. The only reason they don't is because of the absolute pure margin for the upgrades.
and you would be right but they have to charge 200 dollar for you know money making purposes plain and simple and then if you upgrade yourself complain how your distroying your mac book m3 cause you broke a tamper sticker inside to get at the ram🤣🤣🤣
can you imagine if you started making new apple IIgs systems and selling them Apple might get mad that is copying there ideas and sue you dude just saying🤣🤣🤣
I thought I spent too much when I upgraded to a new laptop with amd chip, 64gb ram, 4tb ssd, and rtx for like $850 during the pandemic.
@@RoboJo-pq8pj on a laptop man you got a deal🤣🤣🤣 I have seen laptops with 16 gb ram 1Tb ssd no rtx selling for more then that
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue didnt they start the business doing that XD selling modified IBM computers.
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue atleast if the laptop's got thunderbolt then u can plug in an external GPU and profit. U don't need an rtx unless u gonna do heavy editing etc
I love how this channel is getting more honest with every new video
This channel has always been honest
No, just hating on Apple gives you clicks and popularity, which means it makes money.
The best way to make money is to hate Apple.
He stopped coping
@@lavaregion6968 he used to be a lot more sympathetic to Apple, and would go with the official Apple explanation for why they did anti-consumer things rather than criticize them. He’s been getting more critical recently. I mean, in the past he probably would’ve made this video about how the M3 chip and MacOS Sonoma are just so good you only actually need 8gb, which is what Apple says in their marketing.
@@JppenApple probably stopped paying him
Apple has actually been doing this for over 30 years. The difference now is that RAM used to be user upgradeable. IOW, back in the 90's, Apple RAM was crazy overpriced also. But we could upgrade the RAM with 3rd party memory at a reasonable price. Many people were just lazy and still purchased the overpriced RAM that Apple sold because they just didn't want to mess with the install themselves. Some machines were easier than others to install extra RAM. Now that the RAM is soldered on the motherboard, it just became MUCH harder to install the RAM yourself. I'm actually surprised that with their business model, that Apple let people get away with installing their own RAM for this long.
I noticed my 2019 air has the swappiness set very high, so the RAM i do have is not being utilized properly
Thank you for your honesty Greg, shame on Apple! Shame on Tim Cook.
No
Definitely. Cook has made Apple even more greedy under his tenure. More about pleasing shareholders and Wall Street than their customers.
They do it not because they are greedy, but because they can get away with it in this market. Modern laptop design is absolute dogshit - displays suck, keyboards suck, ergonomics suck, battery life is a joke, durability is terrible, serviceability is nonexistent most of the time. Basically no improvement for the last 10 years. There is almost no competition for quality laptops.
I would also put blame on those who are willing to put up with this bs, ie. customers. They are enabling Apple to do this. If Apple can't make money, they won't do it.
@@youtubeenjoyer1743 I'm a happy camper with 16" MacBook Pro M2, super fast for anything I will ever need, the battery lasts over the weekend, the display is much better than those Dells that I also have to work with, the trackpad is awesome (I used to wonder why people always use a mouse with laptop because I never do, but then I tried a PC trackpad I knew I could never live with that), the keyboard is great, it has magsafe, SD card reader, 3 USB C-ports, 32 GB / 2 TB memory. That is some dogshit ...
Apples ram and ssd upgrades alone cost literally more than an entire second or third computer…
But the nice screen and sound and the nice font and the battery life and the prestige of owning a Mac instead of some peasant laptop while sitting in uni.
@@poppers7317 If anyone needs prestige of owning a Mac or any other product, Apple or not, you've made some serious mistakes in your life.
@@poppers7317I guess Zephyrus and Razer Blade lineups left the chat.
@@1Dome zeyphyrus, omen, Razer, legion and many more...
Every time I've almost fallen for an Apple product, the RAM and storage scam prices have sobered me up, and I've snapped out of it, some of their products would actually be fantastic if it wasn't for this aspect, the one thing Apple had going for them was their main iPad model, though that to was still somewhat effected by scummy storage prices, but the 128/256gb SKU's were at least reasonably priced, now they don't even offer this any more, the main iPad is also sold at silly prices.
You’ve both nailed it and missed it a bit here. The 8gb of RAM isn’t there to save them money, it’s exclusively there to upsell. They know people spending that much on their products aren’t going to be content with 8gb, it’s a complete fake out, and a way to just pretend to have lower entry level devices. I wouldn’t be shocked if Apple actually lose money on these devices, which explains why the ladder pricing takes such extreme jumps compared to the actual cost of xGBs of ram.
I work at an apple store and I can tell you 9/10 customers I've seen get the base model 8gb with some extra storage if needed. Very rarely does someone walk in asking for 16gb+. Very sad.
They do a similar thing with artificially limiting the number of supported external screens in their MacBooks.
Like how they released a 799 phone in 2023 that still has 60hz
because no nobody will get the pro, apple will make it 120hz next year but they're going to give a special feature to the pro that still makes people want it
I got a base MacBook M1 Air with 8GB of RAM two years ago for $850 at BestBuy, which was a typical price for 3rd party retailers. This year I've seen it for $750. If I had insisted on 16GB of RAM, it would have been $1200, because you can only get that configuration directly through Apple. Paying $350 to $450 for an extra 8GB of RAM is highway robbery. So far, my MacBook runs perfectly fine for what I do. I'm not going upgrade to a newer model until Apple makes 16GB the base configuration.
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For those that don't know, 16GB RAM is and has been the standard in PC's for a while, even in PC's less than half the price of the iMac. You can also get 16 kits for around 50 bucks while Apple is charging $200 for an additional 8GB which goes to show how much proprietary products trap you in.
I got 32GB DDR4 for just $60 on my PC. So cheap I didn't bother with 16GB.
I don't know how what type of PC you are talking about but 16 is NOT the standard. 8 is the standard. You won't find the first PC of a range at 16. But I agree that RAM is cheaper and it is easy to upgrade thanks to available spots inside.
@@phonogenique1509you mean 8 WAS the standard. 8 gigs is not enough for today’s PC demands. 8GB is the standard for selling PCs. But running a pc its at least 16
@@phonogenique1509 what are you living in 2010? 16 is the base.
@@phonogenique1509You most definitely not A+ certified. 16Gb is the STANDARD in 2023. The new standard for DDR5 systems is 32gb of ram relative to the prices of what 16GB of ram used to be. That’s why 32GB DDR5 kits are so prevalent as that’s considered the new “16GB.” 16GB ddr4 is DIRT CHEAP and is included in many prebuilts nowadays, even in business computers. You’re either smoking crack or living in a third world country.
That was honestly a lot of quality information in just 2 minutes. Thank you
I thought the same, very good video.
To be fair, I've got a 2020 Macbook Air and I get bottlenecked by the old Intel processor way before I can fill the memory. It starts chugging and the fan makes it sound like a jet trying to take off. Maybe the RAM limitation is more of a real concern with the newer models.
what is virtualbox made for then?
Not just RAM, base model Mac comes with 256gb storage. It wouldn't be sufficient if you regularly download and watch movies or store lot of photos.
When I did my last build I went with a 128 GB SSD, mostly because of the price, but also because I had an additional 3 TB HDD for mass storage.
Whats with gaming? Or do you need a Mac AND an Windows PC if you want both? 😂@@HappyBeezerStudios
its been a month since i got my windows laptop at 128gigs of storage and its already 90% full
so 128 gigs is not enough even for a phone nowadays
im glad i could just throw in a 1TB nvme ssd on my laptop within 5 mins by myself and be fine with and also add in a 16 gig ram module as well
A minimum any computer should have is 500gb, but getting 1TB has been cheap for a decade or more. I believe the sweet spot today is around 3TB.
you buy the latest technology but 15 years old storage technology. MAC loving it
8gb model only exists to kill your SSD faster so you can buy the next model as soon as possible.
This. Apple loves to charge massive premiums for RAM to those who know the computer needs it, or send the computer to an early grave to those who don't know any better.
good point.
How would that kill the ssd?
@@redeem5858 when you don't have enough ram, the system use the ssd as swap. the ssd have a limited write lifespan (usually is x600 of their size). and apple ssds are solded on the motherboard. only using the browser is enough to fill all the 8gb of ram.
@@redeem5858because the system is design to use the SSD as swamp and store more files instead of the ram, so it works more than it's supposed to work making it to decrease it's life span. Remember ssd is not life time guarantee but ram is.
When I discovered your channel coul year back I though u were gon be an apple fboy but this just shows your honesty fr.
i still have a 2012 i7 MBP...when i first got it off of ebay it only had 4GB of RAM and a 256GB HDD..I upgraded the storage to a 1TB SSD and the RAM to 16GB for about 60 bucks..and bought a new aftermarket battery for another 25 dollars...ive spent under 200 dollars total for this laptop and it is running like a champ....
The fixed RAM and storage tiers seem unreasonable. They're hindering my ability to upgrade, leading me to invest in a PC with the money I set aside instead. I yearn for the older Apple products that allowed user upgrades to adapt to changing needs. It's evident that designing and engineering products this way was a deliberate choice, aiming to maximize profits from customers at the point of purchase, despite the potential for a socketed NAND solution. Even with the Mac Studio, Apple has restricted upgrade options. This also raises questions about Apple's dedication to green initiatives, as prioritizing upgrading and reusing should precede recycling, which can be both energy-intensive and polluting. Without a serious commitment in this regard, it might be seen as mere greenwashing, a term Tim Cook himself has criticized as abhorrent.
I think it's the deliberate creation of ewaste by giving expensive machines an unupgradable handicap to improve their already large margins. Just leaves a bad taste.
Apple's "green initiatives" are pure greenwashing.
Yup, they design it to disposable. You don't become the most valuable business ever by making great products.
Well, how are you going to provide upgradability while using a chip so fast and power efficient because everything including the ram is packed in one chip
@@kebbil have you looked at it? The RAM is still its own component, just soldered down. If it just needs to be held down then a socketed solution could have been designed. I can live with the RAM but it’s a sad state of affairs when customers cannot increase storage capacity after they purchase their computer.
I don’t have a problem with the Mac mini or MacBook Air having an 8gb option. But, the price would have to go down accordingly. Alongside that, anything implied to be Pro should have 16gb minimum.
If they don’t lower prices on any product then 16gb should be the minimum for all Mac devices.
I remember when they released a macbook "pro" with a dual core. At a time when enthusiast desktops had 8 cores and even mainstream desktops had 4
@@HappyBeezerStudiosalso prolly advertised it as a revolutionary feature if I had to guess 😂
0:15 in the picture next to iMac slim you put iMac m1, not m3
And that is why I always find them priced so unreasonably to the point I'm even wondering why people still want to buy their products which continue to make them cash and support...
I have to admit, I’m a huge Apple fan, but not deep in their ecosystem. Every tech video that mentions Apple tends to have negative comments about the company. I’ve always been on their defensive…until today. Wow I’m literally shook. I’m ashamed it took this long for me to realize Apple’s stingy practices. Thank you Apple Explained. 🍎❌
I only buy their phones but my 14 pro max has been a rough experience and I’m considering my options next time around.
Never do company pr for free lmao
The practices are more like stinky, I'd say.
@@Emoralisyeah same and iPad since I think iPads provide the best value for money. My iPad air 5 has 8gb ram, an operating system made for the device and good Communication with my phone for 700$. For PCs tho i will never switch from windows.
@@kenjo8404 yeah I’ve thought about getting an iPad lately. My girlfriend keeps talking me out of it. Saying how I already have a laptop I never use plus my main gaming rig. . Anyway I’m probably due for a phone upgrade in a year or so. iPhones need to impress me if I’m going to get another one.
Mac also give the illusion of fluidity w/ only 8GB through excessive swapping. Early in the lifespan of a Mac, they would use another 4, 8 or even 10GB of swap space even with simple internet browsing. Swap essentially using SSD as virtual memory. This drastically reduces the soldered SSD's lifespan, and as time goes on, they can tune down swapping which would slow down the Mac a lot. Several family members who purchased 8GB M1 Airs and Pros have already experienced this after updating to Sonoma, getting frequent out-of-memory warnings. I had to downgrade several of them to Monterey for best performance.
Out of memory warning?? Seriously?? definitely a shitty way to force people to upgrade Macs
You are saying that you get out of memory warnings after you restrict the machine’s ability to swap, correct?
Wait, you telling me the out of memory i am getting constantly is by design? Crap this shit
Swapping is so damaging on a ssd's lifespan with how much writes it does, this is the main reason I overspec my pc with ram, atleast double of what I need.
@@Benri05 its not as bad. My macbook pro from 2016, the ssd has 97% life left.
I’m not sure if something has changed but the iMac models I’ve seen have a little door on the back that allows for a ram upgrade by the user.
That Tim thumbnail 😂
Greg is really mad this time
Everyone is. I haven’t seen a single apple sheep happy about this. This entire situation is pretty black and white, especially now that Apple’s trying to gaslight us by saying “oh 8gb of RAM on macOS is the same as 16gb on PC”
Optimization is great but it’s not an excuse to be cheap on hardware 16gb should be the base option
It should be for like the air but for stuff like the imac hell no
32gb should be minimum on anything that is "Pro".
I don't have any problem working with windows gaming laptop and andriod phones.
There are many file sharing service / apps out there right now. And everything is fast versatile and customizable.
I've been watching your channel for years, but I loved you now calling out one of Apple's stingy practices!
I bought my first macbook (the air M1 base model). Honestly nowadays having used this machine for 2 years and having problems with not only ram but ssd storage, considering the price I paid for it, the only reason I'd buy another one is if I really need to develop an iOS app.
Are you a dev and you don't know how to develop ios apps without using a mac?
That's exactly why I paid $1560 in my country to buy its 16/512 model so that it lasts till 2030. It's crazy.
@@Gupatik develope ios apps without mac is nearly impossible, Apple force all devs must use a Mac. you also require to have an iPhone to develope Bluetooth features
@@hirunguyen4522 bro I'm a dev myself, I know apple is a great good well done scam, but I had an idea that you can get around with those emulators. Nevermind, because I never did an ios app, in fact I don't even do mob dev.
never buy base model. in most items the storage is not up to max apple standard . or so it was proven with a couple models a couple years back. i stil wont take the chance
I’m glad you aren’t biased when it comes to making videos about Apple. I find it kind of frustrating that in 2023 we only get 8GB as a base option, even though in my case I don’t *need* any more. Hoping my MacBook Air M1 lasts 8 more years
On my desktop I went with 16 GB in 2013 and it was the right choice. And now I'm contemplating if 32 GB is enough for a new build.
@@HappyBeezerStudiosI built a pc in 2018 with 32GB of RAM, and that was the right choice for me.
Even before that, I used a pc in my work that had 64GB and I regularly used close to 50GB with only one software: Agisoft Metashape.
@@HappyBeezerStudiosit definitely is, will probably even be overkill depending on what you plan to do
@@HappyBeezerStudios I'm a game dev and I've never needed more than 16 GB even with Visual Studio running 24/7 and memory leaks taking some of it hostage until I restart my machine. We're definitely not at a point in time where you absolutely need more than that as a casual PC user
This is right up there with blast processing
Dell and HP are same with their workstation machines’ ECC memory. 8GB to 16GB upgrade is like $300+ when you can buy equivalent RAM sticks for $100
It's interesrting to see the change in your tone towards Apple.
The tone used to be more positive and admiring...now, it is more critical and realistic. Thank you.
That's just how it is when you aren't directly paid to lie to people.
At first he could find ways to cope with crapple garbage, but it seems like even apple fanboys have conscience.
8 GB ram is insane for 2023
especially for a "pro" line up
$400 for 24 GB extra ram is also insane when you can get very good (6000mhz/CL30) 32 GB RAM for less than 150 bucks nowadays.
Yup, that sums it up! You pay 2-3x for everything near an Apple product.
I think there is a big difference between DDR and LPDDR memory. The DDR memory is much cheaper and can be installed as sticks on the motherboard. Of course, that memory is old school uses considerable power. The LPDDR is low power which is good for laptop batteries but the tradeoff is that timing constraints dictate the memory be close as possible to the CPU and because of signaling integrity, must be soldered to the main board. Has anything changed recently regarding memory types?
LP is not low power, LP is LOW PROFILE, as in, the ram sticks are less TALL/HIGH then normal dimms
@@DaveFlash uh, ok
Its so annoying that they can get away with it, because at the end of the day most people are just gunna pay the extra price for the ram upgrade. I wish apple just let us have that little extra bit of ram, I'm sure they would still sell their machines for a profit, and I'm sure even more people would be enticed to purchase a mac!
Meanwhile NVIDIA is just laughing at the corner with 8GB Vram gpus.
Apple and NVIDIA can suck it
People that need portability, high performance for some specific tasks, and relatively high quality devices will just buy it overpriced once every 5 years or so. There is basically no competition unless you are a vibeo gaymer. Almost all modern laptops suck ass, apple just sucks less in some aspects.
Apple could give you max everything for the base price and still profit. Their margins are insane. They're not using any super special top secret magical alien technology. It's the same RAM and NAND chips everyone else uses.
@@youtubeenjoyer1743 I call BS. You can get a cheapo 8 or 16GB laptop under 600 with either A Ryzen 5600u or an i5 1135G7 and upgrade to 32GB if need be. Two 16GB sticks are 50 bucks. Same goes for ssd upgrades. Slap in a 2TB gen 3 drive for another 50 bucks and you got storage a plenty! A 400 laptop with a horribly 128GB M2 and 8GB ram can be turned into a powerhouse for 100 bucks more. 70 bucks if you're upgrading from 8 to 16GB and 2TB Nvme. 16GB Sodimm kits retail for around 30 buckaroos.
My wife just bought the new M3 iMac…and yes, we paid the Apple Tax for 16GB of ram. It’s annoying, but like you said: she’s got an iPhone, Apple Watch and iPad and it all just integrates together so well.
Believe it is worth the piece of mind to have your have an all Apple lineup. :)
My home pc has 64gb of ram, and a previous generation cpu and gpu. It was 850$usd total, and can compile and update Gentoo in about 45 minutes.
My iMac is due for a replacement next year. And I've been going between Windows and Apple for my next pc.
And more and more, I'm gravitating towards the Windows side.
Apple has been lowballing their customers on EVERY aspect for the past few years, and I don't know of I longer want to support this.
I've been using Macs since late 90s and because of the Apple's ladder-like pricing scam, I refuse throw more coins at them. I'm writing this from my 2015 MBP, most likely the last Apple product I own.
I am replying from my MBA 2017 base 8/128 model. I have an MBA M1 as well and thanks to the scam, I had to get its 16/512 model for $1560.
I recently upgraded my PC laptop from 16GB to 32GB myself. Cost me $40.
How difficult was that to do? I have a Windows laptop with 16gb of RAM.
I know how to add RAM in a desktop Windows Tower but not a laptop.
@@laurenslee9134 very easy. Switch off laptop, open bottom cover with a Torx T5 screwdriver, disconeect the battery cable then pull out the old RAM (held in place by clips) and then insert new RAM.
@@friendlybane A screwdriver??? Uh that sounds like something cringe and non-apple, honestly in 2023 apple should just stamp entire case around the laptop uniformly, making it unremovable without an angle grinder saw.
When Apple first came out with Apple Silicon, I quickly realized that this extremely expensive ram had to be purchased with the machine because future upgrade were not possible. So I bought the fasted Intel iMac they were still selling and upgraded my own ram. Plus I got a 27" screen, was able to add several external SSD drives and I didn't have to buy dongles to add my older USB peripherals. I have no problems running Logic Pro and can do projects up to 100 tracks.
Problem is not only ram, they are scamming with storage...
I feel like the 8GB RAM versions of MACs are going to be the first to get axed from software support as well. Kind of like how the iphone 4 got ios 7 where as the similarly specced ipod touch 4th gen did not due to its 256MB RAM
Obviously, the only ones who will have 8GB mac are the cheapskates who can't even afford measly $800 to add whopping 24GB more RAM 🙄, it's not like you can just go buy a lenovo laptop for same price as Macbook except with 64GB of RAM or anything 🙄🙄🙄
0:14 Honestly, I think this doesn’t even paint the whole picture. The iMac went from 8 GB CPU RAM, to 8 GB unified RAM, meaning that both the CPU and the video memory needs to fit in that 8 GB.
So it’s actually got less RAM now than it did 11 years ago.
The fact that the memory is on the chip with the CPU and also sharable with graphics memory makes this memory different than a traditional PC. It would be like buying memory for your PC that includes a Nvidia GPU card and an Intel Core i7 included. It is understandable the memory upgrades are more expensive.
I got my first Mac, a Performa 6115 (PowerMac 6100) in 1994. It had 8 MB of RAM (500 MB HDD, 60 MHz 601 CPU). We all knew back then to get the least RAM and HDD. Then update them yourself. 8 MB more RAM was $800! I don’t remember what Apple charged for 16MB.
Now you can’t upgrade your RAM which sucks.
People don't realize they don't want to sell their base model its designed to get you to upgrade to the next tier.
Whatever it's intention the fact that they're selling it is a red flag for anyone considering moving into the apple ecosystem.
We realized, thank you. And watch the whole video. If the first tier is a scam, the second tier is a scam even more. So what are we missing?
the base Mac is the Best Buy. so, if the base version fits your needs buy it. Never buy upgraded Mac unless you are rich, and wants to donate some money to apple.
@@sanaksanandan No it isn't, low RAM + low SSD capacity means constant swapping to a very small SSD (the bigger the SSD, the longer it lasts just by the mere fact that there's more physical cells that can be written to N amount of times before they die) meaning you will be lucky if it lasts more than 2 years of "Pro" use.
@@shinobuoshino5066 M3 base model is not for pros. It's for hobbyists. But the base M3 pro or M3 max are good.
It is even worse. You have already paid for the 8GB, so it is +$400 for +24GB of RAM.
Or
Apple have probably charged you $100 for the 8GB, so to get 32GB you have actually paid $500.
I wonder if Greg @AppleExplained read the comments, because this is a crime Apple is doing.
We need the same video for SSD scam.
They even do the same for ios model.They give maximum 5 gb cloud storage and when it fills it forces the user to pay monthly subscription of about 1000 INR and if I dont it starts deleting apps from my phone wnd doesnt do backup of data
I recently found out that you can export Apple Keynote presentations as video files, and I'm assuming this is how you make your videos. I love it so much!
how
thats what i thought of. at 0:37 you can see the 'crumble' effect from Apple Keynote
Thats shockingly cool. I thought he'd be using after effects, but no... He's basically using the equivalent of powerpoint to make his videos that millions of people watch.
@@The_Horizon yeah they’re such high quality, too, you would never know they were made in an equivalent of PowerPoint haha. I’ve actually wondered how he made them in this style which he started in early 2021, and only recently I figured it out, nearly 3 years later, it makes so much sense! (Thanks to someone else who explained it to me in a comment on another of his videos recently :)
The more people talk about this issue, the better. Thank you!
l sold these gouging boxes, resented the challenge it caused me (missing out in intermediary ram upgrades)
There was a gpu with 8gb of vram in 2016
The 1080ti.had 11 in 2017
Nowadays nvidia releases vards that usually still have no more than 12
Apple has been pulling this on their customers for years. I remember back in the day it was an extra $200 to go from a 2gb model to 4gb model of ram.
you should also do about storage. for example
Samsung 980 pro 2tb 110-150 dollars
Apple ssd 2tb +800 dollars
you must be crazy to buy a 2tb or 4tb ssd from apple. and crazy rich.
@@sanaksanandan I guess some people are fine with 256 GB on their work and creation system then.
@@HappyBeezerStudios You must be stupid to get a 256GB system. 512 is the sweet spot, and if you need it, get 1TB.
I’d really like to get a Mac to learn GarageBand. But because of their ram and memory upgrade prices I’m gonna stay with a windows pc which has all the recording software I’m used to.
Even my 7940hs mini pc has 32 gigs and 1 tb.
(Almost Half the price of m3 macbook pro)
Treating their customers with contempt. Started switching everything back to Mac and then changed my mind after a year and keeping things diverse.
The price of DRAM has gone down significantly in this year alone. The wholelase price per GB of DDR5 Ram is less than $3 and that of DDR6 Ram is just over $3
Bro, everybody's business model involves trapping people with switching costs so it's hard to go with competitors