Here's why Chrome is SLOW (It's NOT your RAM)
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Google Chrome isn't as good as it used to be. While it was a great replacement for Internet Explorer and Firefox and Safari, but as it's become the dominant browser, it seems like it ain't quite how it used to be. And now that browsers like Microsoft Edge, Brave, Opera GX and Vivaldi have all switched to run on Chromium, we decided to get to the bottom of those performance woes.
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
1:53 How To Test A Browser
3:40 RAM Utilization
4:50 Broswer Performance
6:49 What Can YOU Do?
10:05 Outro - Наука та технологія
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We used LastPass in our benchmarks because it's by far the most popular password manager. We don't use, nor recommend it.
Nice
Thanks linus tech tips.
good
I use Firefox and I use Bitwarden cause it's also open source.
Why don't you recommend it, I'm curious?
I've been using the free version for a year and I'm happy with it. Also my Firefox never lags x)
Remember when like every UA-camr was sponsored by operagx
Don't use it
I still see sponsor spots for them on new videos all the time. I didn't know that ended yet.
@@nottoxicroz1213 Why?
@@nottoxicroz1213 why?
@@abdulsoleh7131 Opera got bought by a chinese government corp years ago. It´s basically CCCP spyware.
I've been using Firefox for twenty years. It's has some ups and downs, but these days it's rock solid, stable, fast and reliable.
I wish it would support HDR.
Yeah, i honestly only ever missed a handful of Features compared to chrome (but i also miss a handful of Features in chrome, so...)
I kid you not, it killed a pc I had a few years back. I gave it time to grow/cool and it's back to being the main thing I use.
@@Xdgvy A web browser killed your pc?
@Mad-Lad-Chad It was the only thing I had changed.
Firefox NEEDS more users. We can't allow the chromium monopolization of the web
we are too far out into the monopoly, heck even the latest browser that actually had good quirks is on chromium (arc)
AMEN!
that's right!
And it’s honestly better anyway
Chromium prevalence already forced Firefox ro comply with some stupid DRM stuff, which now makes it impossible for me to stream Neflix to a friend so we watch together through a call
Hello from Firefox gang
Ayyy fellow Firefox gang!!
Greetings comrade
Opera gang here 😅
Firefox for the win!!
@@GuNOT8290= Chromium
I love that almost all of the comments are about how people should be ditching google for Firefox.
isnt firefox ,chrome in disguise?
@@Warbots983 no
You are thinking Edge! @@Warbots983
@@Warbots983 Firefox existed long before Chrome did.
because it is better and safer
I haven't used Chrome in years. Firefox + uBlock Origin is a winner. I'll never go back.
Braver Browser is the best I have 6 tabs open and I'm only using 833mb of ram space ATM
Do you even need uBlock if you use Firefox? Doesn't it have native features to handle that stuff?
@@ArawnOfAnnwnFirefox doesn't intentionally block ads out of the box but it does block the trackers which takes out a vast majority of the ads with it. This has triggered the "please disable adblocker" which I got ubo to better deal with
@@ArawnOfAnnwnNope it's not as effective. Ublock can block ads inside youtube, all of them.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn Firefox's built-in shield is mainly designed to block trackers, third-party cookies, or even stuff like fingerprinters. You should still use uBlock Origin if you don't want ads. But that's also why you can use it without disabling Firefox's built-in shield, since they don't necessarily conflict with each other.
Switched from chrome to Firefox 4 years ago, still a great choice, whould definitely recommend
Firefox user here, I look forward to your Firefox performance review. Actually stacking up the popular browsers against each other would be a neat thing to do as well to get people to shut up about "Chrome is faster!" "NUH UH! Firefox is!" "Hey guys, Opera he-" "Shut up, we're talking!"
I switched from firefox to chrome years ago because their lack of multithreaded support. I used to open like 25 tabs in one shot and it will take FOREVER with 1 core (out of the 12) maxed out. With chrome it will just take a few seconds. I believe now a days it's better, but so used to chrome now that's hard to switch.
@@uninavas I don't know anything about how it works under the hood, but I switched to chrome from firefox not TOO long after it launched because it was noticeably faster especially when starting the browser fresh (ironically people insisted it was supposed to be the other way around). Switched back several years ago though
I love firefox but those rare instances where compatibility is an issue is the only reason it isn't my primary browser
@@Sotanaht01 it was definitely the case in the old days, but these days I think any performance edge that chrome had is gone. Firefox starts pretty much instantly when I open it, and definitely uses less ram
This is a great idea.
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You mean B roll?
@@d.sadster5684 What is the difference goober
Ah, yes. I love the "Man Drops Expensive Hard Drive People Are Shocked" clip, a real banger.
@@gleb.salmanov i agree
@@d.sadster5684no, he meant C roll
I actually switched over to Firefox a few months ago due to the manifest V3 announcement. I actually love it. I did have to switch to the nightly build however, due to the stable branch lacking in performance for browser games
i think google is gattering all user data like url history etc, through chrome , google funding by military and jews gattering all user data
i think google is gattering all user data like url history etc, through chrome , google funding by military and jews gattering all user data , it almost like spyware
i think google is gattering all user data like url history etc since chrome first release 2010 , through chrome , i trace with wireshart since 2010 chrome always contact the google server to send user data, google funding by military and jews gattering all user data , it almost like spyware
I'd love to see how Firefox stacks up these days. I've been considering switching back to FF for a while now
Firefox has been significantly better than Chrome for several years now. I switched back to FF when it went "Quantum" many years ago because Chrome was already starting to feel bloated and like a hardware hog even back then.
Fantastic mobile browser these days, too.
not only is it good but i prefer the UI of FF a lot more. Its a lot more customizable too.
Yet another reason not to use lastpass, who would have thought.
Moo moo Mooerr moo
It slows down you PC, AND get's hacked all the time! What a deal!!!
I've been using Bitwarden for a while now and couldn't be happier.
@kevinlsims7330if you understood encryption you'd know the theory is in fact much better than the alternative of not using a password manager.
The challenge is finding a good, trustworthy manager. Open source and self hosting options are a good sign, but do your research into the company and their motives. Bitwarden has been my go to since Lastpass changed their pay structure years ago and started going downhill.
@kevinlsims7330 this is kinda hard to read. Have you considered conforming to standard word capitalization in English?
@@kaniobal2 Take it easy on him, I wrote that way myself. 20+ years ago :D
PLEASE do a firefox one. I was sad to see you didnt do a comparison. I've been using it since it was released and have always loved it
The same shit on chromium
@@ALPHABYTE64 and edge
@@ALPHABYTE64it’s not on chromium
@@SilisAlin it is.
@@SilisAlin Chrome, Firefox and Edge are on chromium
Thanks for the mention! 👋☺
Vivaldi is my main browser now on phone and desktop.
i luv ur browser
You are the best right now. Love your approach to creating a browser
Switched to Vivaldi a few years ago and never looked back. Sure there is stuff that needs improvements but the overall experience is great and the approach you take to developing a browser is exactly what i want.
@@Frangus_ Thank you! Feedback is always appreciated. ❤
Please do a version of this for Firefox! I daily drive it, and I think the exposure will encourage more people to give it a try!
Firefox user here.
Been using it for the better part of a decade and never seen the need to swap browsers.
It's fast, is immune to Google's manifest v3 and handles everything I've ever thrown at it.
Would definitely be down for a browser showdown to silence the keyboard warriors.
Immune? What are you talking about? Manifest V3 is an open standard for the web. There are extensions on Firefox that USE Manifest V3! As a cross-browser extension developer, Manifest V3 is actually a step up for all browser extensions. It isn't some closed-source thing developed by Google to shut down adblock. I also LOVE Firefox though btw. It's WAY better then chrome. I use it for everything unless there is a browser-support issue.
Would be great if it supported hdr
I liked firefox but quite a few sites I use just don't support it so I switched to vivaldi.
I am hooked by Edge's copilot. Does Firefox provide a replacement.
Well they invented their own language just be able to make Firefox better
Firefox has containers now which is really cool. You can open websites in totally seperate containers to prevent cross site tracking. You can even open up the same website in two seperate containers and be logged in at the same time with two seperate accounts.
💯
This feature is majorly slept on. I use them constantly. I want to check my school gmail/outlook instead of my work outlook? I just swap containers, no need to go through the hassle of logging out and logging into the other account. Same with Amazon if I want to use my mom's prime account or my personal one.
Comes in so clutch when your managing multiple 365 admin tenants
@@MrMcprodigy most prefer automatic browsers they cant handle the extra pedal
Even though I'm not using it that often, it's so useful when I want to separate stuff between personal, work, shopping, and social media. Chromium still doesn't have an equivalent to me is mind-boggling.
its been years since i last used chrome since i switched to brave, not only it protects me from some non desired ads, and it doesn't block or skips sponsors or in video advertisements (which i like) and the only extensions i use is dark mode, return youtube dislike , and zoom block (so chilling) + in efficiency mode it only uses like 3% or ram or so
I've noticed recently that UA-cam's Playlist page is slow as a snail on Chrome and seemingly all Chromium browsers.
When testing the playlist page on Firefox it was fast and responsive.
This is completely random & largely ad blocker dependent. Earlier today on my thinkpad FF needed 40 seconds to load the UA-cam mainpage, a new record.
@@conjurermast I stopped using adblocker on both once it started to nag me with a popup (!) constantly on how a good boy it's been for blocking ads for me :P
Remember when browsers like Opera, Safari for Windows etc had their own rendering engines? I do. Firefox is one of the few holdouts and it’s such an important thing for open standards on the web.
Safari also has it's own engine
@@luimu Kind of. Google's engine is a fork of the one Apple was using. Even though the split was 11 years ago there's probably still a decent amount of shared code.
Another vote for Firefox here, I have been using it since 2008 when Firefox 3 was released and I remeber trying out FF3 for the first time and my mind was blown away by how superior it was compared to IE. Then the chrome wave came everyone moved to Chrome, I myself never found a reason to switch, still using FF to this day. I recommend everyone in Android to give a try to FF mobile with unlock origin, it's a great mobile browser, there is literally no ads is a bonus.
Firefox mobile actually lacks features when comparing to other browsers. If not for the extension support, its not even worth using
@@ranjithdezoysa5099 There is "1" Feature you haven't mentioned,that TOTALLY BLOWS AWAY any Extension, "DeskTop Site" ! Technically, this is a Drop-Down Menu Item that is Totally Invaluable !!!!
I am Constantly using this Feature when forced to look for things around the NET!! IF you haven't noticed,you DON'T GET the same Results from "YOU KNOW WHO" when browsing on a phone. This is EXTREMELY IRRITATING !! THANKS for FIRE FOX !!!
One flick of a switch,and wallah! DESKTOP MODE ! Things you can see that you CAN'T in PHONE MODE !! And YES,it does have an Impact on Forms i Could Not get to Before in Phone Mode.
I have been a Fire Fox User for Many Years,and I have used the Edge,URRRR,Chrome,Safari,YUK,Internet Explorer,OH YES our FAV ! That was a Joke !🤭
It has Been RE-Vamped and Completely Re-Written from Scratch several times,and it's MUCH MUCH Better than it's Grandfather ! It NEVER Crashes on me,and if if a TAB does crash,it will come right back to where it left off. Usually a PAGE/Site Fault ! And it Doesn't affect my other Tabs. AND let me tell you,I am HARD on this Browser !!
I have no Less than 100 TABS per 6 Windows open at a time ! You couldn't do that in the OLD DAYS !! It would Definitely CRASH !!!
And Ad BlockHyper goes GREAT with Fire Fox !! Yes some Sites Weep and Cry about it,and some are down right NASTY and BLOCK ME with the standard 401Code ! SCREW THEM! They ain't worth my time then. They were Nasty to Me 1rst.😎
As a Pratice,I leave the Dreaded Edge on my Desktop,so as the OS has it's way for Default Code Crap ! This way it doesn't cause ANY HEADACHES ! FIRE FOX is my MAIN BROWSER ! Same on ALL my Devices,this causes less conflict in the Long run I believe,and gives you a 2nd Back-up Browser Encase ONE GOES Tits-Up ! And Yes It Happens!
Any CODE,no matter what,is susceptible to Bricking ! You don't hear it termed that way every day,that way,but it's a fact. Lock-up,Freeze,Blue Screen,Black Screen of Death !
Now you get the Idea. BUT, Bricking is more better known in the Bios world,Hardware/Firmware. But there are Dozens of Processors ALL over the place on Boards. And Code can affect them the same,maybe not permanent,but none the less mess up your work. I don't code. I have studied it in school and tried to follow some of it. But not much like some avid coders who are Really Good at it!
But Fire Fox of Today is NOTHING like it was a couple years ago !! It has been TOTALLY RE-WRITTEN from SCRATCH ! It's SMOOTH and FAST !! Try it !! 😎 EASY
@@ranjithdezoysa5099 it takes time but theyre working on it, definitely not perfect but its better than the whatever browser stock android the publisher came out with
I use FF on android too, and while I've got only a couple of gripes with firefox on windows, I've found SIGNIFICANTLY more issues with it on android. There's a LONG way to go still on that front. But its the best mobile browser for adblocking, so despite the laundry list of issues, it gets my vote too.
Firefox Focus on iPhone also blocks ads, even if it is WebKit under the hood because Apple
I USE FIREFOX
On May 1st, 2024 google APIs started rejecting non-Chrome browsers (at least FF). I used the User-Agent Switcher addon to trick Google into thinking I was using Chrome. There had been no update to FF so that wasn't the problem. About a week later FF fixed it and now it's fine w/out having to spoof being Chrome.
But this goes to why Google is way too powerful. Most of you use phones but FF is about 7% of desktops and it shows how avaricious and evil Google is about controlling choice that they consider that 'too much competition'. That kind of monopoly should be broken.
Hopefully YT bots don't kill this comment.
Firefox is the way to go because it isn't Google trying to manipulate you at every turn. Ad blockers will always work perfectly on Firefox too and for me this is the single most important part of a browser. Ads completely ruin my browsing experience.
firefox is definitely better, but I do want to mention that it does spy on you until you turn that setting off
Modern web just unusable without ad blockers. I can't install ad blocker in mobile chrome and it's just a total mess. Peoples who runs their websites just don't give a shit about user experience.
@@Chastity_Belt Yeah, sadly not a lot of website that do ads in a user-friendly way. Firefox Mobile is quite good though
@@MrBl00 yeah, it blocks at least most annoying pop-up banners, but not quite as good as desktop does with ublock origin.
Still, probably it is the best mobile web browsing available. Wonder how apple users doing
@@Chastity_Belt Yeah. I miss the days when you could block all ads in every app with a single blocker. Since then Android just keeps getting more locked down
I actually switched to Firefox on all my devices (yes, even my phone, though that took a bit longer) because of the decreased effectivness of ad-blockers. UA-cam was honestly the main culprid, I swear to god there weren't that many ads a few years ago.
Currently in the process of switching to Firefox across the board as well.
It would be really cool if mozilla would finally make a good UI for firefox mobile, or atleast make a feature to change accent color...
I did the same. Now I only use Chrome to test compatibility.
if you manage to inject userstyles(idk if possible), you can customize it@@redlionstudio2750
Same. Even after I reinstalled Win10 on a new 1TB NVMe, Chrome was still lagging to a stall, even to the point where it wouldn't even load a single page. It honestly felt like my PC had low-end parts in it from two decades ago. Firefox has never had this issue, so I switched. The only issue I have with Firefox is that I can't right-click and copy, so I have to CTRL+C, which is weird.
The amount of times ive removed/uninstalled something because i didnt remember what it did for me, then a week or two later wonder why something isn't acting like it used to and completely forgot i uninstall that thing....
Aww, 6 Tabs is adorable. Back in 2017 my ADHD forced me to do an incredibly deep dive into browser mechanics just to keep myself afloat. I would regularly run 100+ tabs (per browser), and I had seen that number climb up to 700 tabs or so in a single browser on occasion. 2017 was not so far back that webpages were measurably simpler, in fact they may have been quite a bit heavier, with clunky streaming video applets, lazy Ajax, webpage crypto mining scripts, and Adobe Flash was even still in use a bit. All on the much slower hardware of 7 years ago, albeit quite good for the time. Still with the proper tuning the question of browser performance changes from how we typically think of it. This video focused on the impact of various extensions on performance, however I prefer to begin with what browser extensions I require in my day-to-day usage, regardless of performance impact (within reason, assuming all the extensions I choose are well developed). From there I then see what performance I am able to get through normal usage and with a reasonable (relative to each person) number of tabs open. The truth is there is no reason we should not be able to keep hundreds of tabs open without it affecting performance measurably in the primary foreground tabs, however web browsers need to be developed and designed with this usage pattern in mind, and of course we know they are not.
In order to browse the web with hundreds of open tabs and minimal performance impact, there are quite a bit of tweaks and control mechanisms that need to be carefully put in place to acquire full control of the resource usage of the browser, and to list everything here would be impossible. However there are a handful of primary tweaks that did the bulk of the heavy lifting. The TOP #1 requirement is to restrict and limit network usage to ONLY the necessary interactions of actively used web pages. In I.T. we learn about the OSI model in which higher layers tend to wait on lower layers to complete operations, which in a nutshell means that lagging network activity with have a domino and cumulative effect on just about every other operation on the system. And EVERY tab is always trying to talk to the Internet. So another main key at the time was using extensions to timeout inactive tabs, putting them to "sleep" PROPERLY, to free up the RAM memory usage, the GPU memory usage, limiting the CPU processing, and stopping the network activity attempts. Major modern browsers are just getting to implementing better tab sleep mechanics, although there are various ways in which they work, which have various pros and cons. In a perfect world the tab gets entire unloaded, replaced with a locally hosted lightweight screengrab or replacement page, reloading the original page when the tab is re-accessed.
Another important change to maximize the number of tabs and windows, is to implement a mechanic that even unloads the foreground tab of windows that are not being used beyond your custom "timeout" time, because normally even with sleeping tabs, the topmost tab on every browser window is still active enough that will add up with enough open windows. I needed to write a custom placeholder page for an extension, that did not have a google analytics script or other unneeded javascript libraries loaded in the background, at the time I was unable to find a simple empty html page. There's no money to be made in simple and light on today's web.
Third, as Linus mentioned, adblockers will help AND hinder performance simultaneously depending on how you look at it and how you measure performance. What I found to be a more reliable lightweight solution to lean on as my primary adblocking mechanism was to use an adblocking "hosts" file, which forcibly responds to DNS requests for advertiser domains with an "instant fail" no-response local address, no waiting on responses from overloaded web servers and no loading lazy inefficient advertiser resources. There are projects online that maintain these type of hosts files for this purpose. And as mentioned earlier, there are a lot more considerations to achieve degenerate levels of tab mismanagement, and they are always changing as technology changes. I only wish browser manufacturers prioritized user experience much more than they do, as they bend to the big machines that run the web. Of course not on by default, but in the very least as buried advanced option switches already built into the browser experience for those with hacker mindsets to privately enable for themselves.
Interesting tidbits I found back then during that research: Google Chrome used more memory by default than Firefox, but ironically was far better about memory management due to it using individual sandboxed process mechanics, allowing a user to see exactly which website is eating up all the resources, and empowering the user to kill that process, deactivate or uninstall that extension, unload that tab, or close it all together, freeing up specific resource bottlenecks. Some websites required tweaks to keep resources lower, but a couple websites were just about impossible to reign in, Facebook being perhaps the most egregious at the time. To add to the surprising findings further, although Chrome was better at memory management as mentioned, of the two, I was able to run Firefox with the highest number of simultaneous tabs, capping out a bit over 1200 tabs, and that was only because Firefox processes did not like hitting that 2GB of memory limit even though they theoretically could have gone beyond it at the time as I understood it, although I understand that testing for that issue would be extremely low priority 😄 especially at the time. The reason Firefox was able to run more tabs overall was because of some of the more detailed advanced switch options firefox offered over chrome at the time, and the slightly better performing similar-but-not-identical tab management extensions I was able to use in Firefox versus Chrome.
It would be interesting to revisit research like this 7-ish years later.
PS- I loved this video if ya could not tell. It reminded me of earlier youtube tech tip videos, back when we were all excited about new tech. Hence the sudden essay, in case anyone else enjoys deep dive hacker stories. 😊🤓
I've been thinking something along these lines lately. I work a lot with virtual machines, and when you pause a VM, you can restore to the same state it was previously, because the VM's memory contents are dumped to disk. Why the same approach couldn't be applied to browser tabs? Instead, when a browser tries to free the memory a tab is using, it essentialy kills the entire tab, forcing you to reload the entire page to see its content again (which may not even be there anymore).
I am used to work with 200+ tabs, but not all of them are actually loaded all the time. Chromium-based browsers are terrible for using with a large tab count, so I mostly use Firefox. These days it's the best browser for this purpose, the Electrolysis feature, which separates different domains into different processes (rather than a process for each tab) is a much sensible approach for this problem, because the overhead of the additional processes is much lower.
Funny you mentioned the 2GB limit of Firefox in the earlier days, because at that time, I was using a 64-bit fork of Firefox called Cyberfox just to get rid of that limit, given that Firefox was only 32-bit back then. I remember getting a 6GB+ RAM usage in the main browser process, those were fun days. Eventually that fork was discontinued because Firefox got its native 64-bit compilation, and I got back to plain vanilla Firefox since then.
Rookie numbers ;P -highly recommend SideBerry and Tab Session Manager.
@@jonessperandio YES! The general practice to free memory seems to be to kill the child process and reload the tabs it had opened. There is always a bit of lighter garbage collection happening, but not at the level we would need with that number of tabs. Also I agree, segmenting the processes by domain makes the most sense because it allows the ability to load shared resources with duplicating the memory usage, at least per domain.
Regarding the difference between VMs and Browsers ability to pause, VMs are entire systems with all resources accounted for, whereas browser processes interact with external (to the process) libraries, web controls, and extensions. Pausing and Starting something interacting with processing and memory management externally might throw unforseen errors into the mix. Probably a lot less than we might worry about it practice, but in theory it seems like a near certainty it would be destined to draw out bugs. With the level of overhaul that would likely be required to properly oversee that level of memory management it would thing bring up the question of whether all that work would be worth the time and effort, or if reloading restarted tabs occasionally would be an acceptable middle ground. I suspect that is why we have the reloading.
That said, paused DOM structures would be worth the memory usage much of the time, without necessarily requiring reloading once reactivated. Memory usage really should never be a concern on modern day PCs. I know when I was doing my research there were some less than ideal decisions for what they wanted to keep in memory. For instance by default they would keep copies of a set of the previously visited pages (of that tab) cached and in active memory, like, for what?? How often do people go back? Not enough to memorize multiple pages back into the past for every single tab, just reload those pages.
I switched back to Firefox ever since I heard Chrome was getting rid of ad blockers. it's been fine 🤷🏻♂️
Aid bookers?
Actually not that bad... But if you use Back stored ad's And run for back of que... SLOWER THAN EXPECTED
@@AMPProfwhat
Firefox ftw. Not relying on Google's goodwill to not sell your data, priceless.
Honestly, it might have taken them almost 20 years to get there, but Opera really isn't that shitty these days. Lord knows *I* was shocked by my most recent revisit of that browser.
LTT should do a browser experiment where the LTT staff would use a selection of browsers and swap to the next browser after a week or few.
Brave
Edge
Vivaldi
Firefox (or its LibreWolf version)
Arc Browser
OperaGX
After 6 to 18 weeks everyone compiles and share their experience and pick which browser they'd personally stick with and which features they'd like to see in every other browser.
I feel like Vivaldi and arc are the only browsers where they would feel the difference
@@Numb_ Same. As a Vivaldi user there's too many useful features that don't exist as extensions for other browsers, and as a Win10 user, I can't try Arc.
@@Qimchiy you can use arc on w10, just requires messing around with some files. there's a nice post on the arc subreddit that walks you through it.
That's a great idea!
Or another way to put it is that they should use either reskinned chrome, reskinned chrome, reskinned chrome, firefox, reskinned chrome or reskinned chrome. Would you just look at all that diversity in the browser market, beautiful.
This was one of your best videos. I moved from Chrome to Edge and with the move I also installed the same extensions. Needless to say, and given Edge is based on Chromium, after a little while everything became slow and I get spikes of CPU usage that go above 90% just like I had on Chrome. It was a miserable experience until I went through the extensions and purged most of them. And now everything is fast again. Thank you for the valuable information.
I never abandoned Firefox.
No because it's good, but rather because it's the least bad...
I've been using firefox for about 10 years or so. Never even considered using Chrome, unless I am forced to.
I was a Firefox user in the beginning then Chrome won me over for several years but for the last couple years I have been back to Firefox. Chrome came out with better features and functionality but Firefox has passed it again.
@@mrjohndangerpowers FirefOx more like Turtle Fox the slowest browser I've ever used
I've been using LibreWolf a Firefox alternative for some time now and no matter how many extensions and tabs I throw at it I never experience a slow down. Even when it is using like 100+ tabs I don't experience slow downs. Like it wasn't until this video that I even thought to check out the RAM usage of LibreWolf and 3GB of RAM isn't bad for the amount of things I'm doing on it.
The privacy features are night and day compared to Google Chrome and are well worth the tradeoffs for me.
I've been using Firefox since it was still Phoenix Browser, and I've been completely satisfied the entire time. People saying it's "slow" are just reacting to imperceptible data from benchmarks.
When they stopped supporting MAFF and MHTML extensions, I'm out! Chrome, Opera, Edge all support MHTML!
It's impossible to please everyone, but THIS is a topic - browser performance with labs results - that I am completely interested in! Man I wish you did more of a long form video on this and compared browsers (i know that wasn't necessarily the point of this particular video). We watch 30 minute videos without blinking about some crazy ass server cooling that we 10 percent understand (some of us 15 percent) and will never ever have a need or desire to replicate. But we use the darn internet all day, every day. These are videos we want to watch!! So please, LTT, give us a more in depth comparison. You will get a huge audience for that video. Trust me bro :)
Was a Firefox user when it was popular in late 2000s-early 2010s, switched to Chrome in like 2011 and stayed there for 12 years until I switched back to Firefox on both PC and phone last year. Started with the phone first due to Google forcing Tab Groups feature on Android Chrome (and now I heard Firefox has a similar feature called Containers, it's rather interesting and I hope it won't be as mandatory).
Eventually proceeded by uninstalling Chrome and Reinstalling Firefox on the Linux install on my laptop and noticed better UI integration with my Linux DE and integration between devices than Chrome, which made me decided to do the same on Windows as well.
Didn't regret the switch 😁
The worst thing is that Brave, which I love, is also based on Chromium. But having ONE, LITERALLY ONE UA-cam tab open uses up to 4 GIGABYTES OF RAM. 4 GIGABYTES OF RAM. WHAT THE FCK. It's usually up to 1.5GB and up for a single UA-cam tab, but I have A LOT of tabs open, and just not having that many is not an option. But this is just insane. And no, deleting all my extensions is also not an option, because I need all of them, truly.
This never used to be a problem till about a few months ago and it's made Chrome and Brave basically unusable...
I've been using Firefox for a few years now because no other browser can handle having 1000 tabs open with such ease. Sidebery extension is also a godsend for managing these.
I mean yeah, because 995 of them are unloaded. At that point you could just save the link with the exact same effect.
@@0106johnny fun to scroll a random amount and find something random you looked up 2 years ago. xD
Just did this, stumbled upon an article from 2019 about the Intel ZombieLoad vulnerability.
@@0106johnny No. Bookmarks are more complicated to manage. Just keep the tabs open. It's way easier.
Why do you need that many tabs open?! That is insane!
Because you can, without significant penalty. It's a valid way of using the software more than anything else. It's to some people just more convenient and easier to find stuff that way.
Just embrace the Fox blessing and your problem shall be forgotten
Even Edge too
foxgotten*
Fox no support for hdr.... Every image is bugged since.
Linux fanboys with they're tinfoil hat
Fox is slow as turtle. They should rename it to Fireturtle ....
Thanks for the tech tip! I definitely had some useless extensions that I hadn't used in a long time that were just sucking up memory in the background.
I switched back to firefox recently. And I can say it definetily is over it's strange stuttery phase. And it gets some love on the extension side of things too! I am happy and don't look back.
Firefox Multi-Account Containers, can't live without it atm ❤
Literally. Everyone says "switch to firefox!" for many reasons yet no one talks about this. Genuinely great feature that people should know about.
Agreed, I also use an extension to auto put anything google into a container, works really well actually
And the fact that they make it better all the time always listening to their community
That and tree style tabs ❤
On top Firefox does not sell all of your data to everyone. Way less scam mails & calls after I switched to Firefox.
I've been using Firefox since version 3.0 and will never switch to another browser. Especially since most browsers nowadays are just Chromium reskins.
Insightful deep dive into the complex world of browser performance, extensions, and RAM usage. I appreciate the thorough testing and analysis. Makes me reevaluate my approach to tab and extension management in Chrome.
i think google is gattering all user data like url history etc since chrome first release 2010 , through chrome , i trace with wireshart since 2010 chrome always contact the google server to send user data, google funding by military and jews gattering all user data , it almost like spyware
I just did a Motionmark 1.3 test and I got 268. Not far from Google's 308 average. I guess when the browser's only so good that your hardware's no longer a factor. Not to mention upgrading to 64 bit operating systems and doubling RAM to 8GB (my laptop's max) made browsing so much nicer.
I've been leaning towards Firefox a lot more recently
Is faster in my experience
I've been daily driving Firefox for well over a decade and have yet to encounter a compelling reason to migrate.
Use edge
I whish Firefox would support HDR.
In my experience Firefox feels _slower_
As someone that doesn’t multitask all that much on my pc, I’d rather a browser that feels responsive then one that uses less ram
Firefox keeps looking better and better just as long as you remember to disable all of their adware too lol I can personally attest it is totally worth it though. What sucks is doing things for work a lot of times you still have to use a separate browser like edge
I have given it a go couple of times in last few years. Starts out great but then it always seems to slow down same as chrome after some time.
Try spoofing your client, it fixed a bunch of "Firefox incompatible" websites for me
Can you mention for what stuff you have to go to other browsers?
I just do causal browsing so never had to change from firefox.
Can you tell me wat I neet to turn off (setting) because I have been just using default settings for years
What you want is LibreWolf (open-source fork of FireFox)
Killing it lately guys. For real so helpful and entertaining too. Thank you everyone who made it happen and keeps making it happen. As a viewer I appreciate the hard work you guys do so I can lay in bed and learn. Cheers to you 🍻
Great video linus! 5:45 just want to let you know that video part browser is spelled broswer.
PLEASE make a vid doing a comparison in benchmarks between all the popular / good browsers and make a pro / con list of each
Tl;dr they are all the same except operagx is spyware and brave has a builtin adblocker
It would have three entries:
- Chrome (and all the clones)
- Firefox
- Safari
Been using Firefox since before Chrome existed. It way outpaced Safari back when I was a Mac user as a teen. Now I've always kept the fox over any other browser even on Windows, even though OperaGX's features seem enticing, but I don't feel the need to switch.
I would not recommend using OperaGX. It's basically a worse Chrome. You can try it out but really it feels so bloated
From my experience, I've never had a ram issue with Google Chrome. I don't really use browser extensions, and Edge used similar amounts of ram. The main problem I've had with it is it adding and changing to a "Person 1" profile, then adding a new Chrome desktop icon for my specific profile when I switch back. I couldn't find any explanation for it and have just had to put up with it.
700 tabs guy here, The Great Suspender used to be the way, but now Chrome handles suspending background tabs well enough itself. However it sometimes decides to unsuspend every tab and pretty much stall the system.
I'm not sure how this compares, but I'm a big advocate for Firefox on Mobile (or at least Android). I'm a web developer and I notice that FF desktop and FF mobile is much much more consistent than Chrome Desktop vs Chrome Mobile. As a professional, I have to cater towards Chrome as it's most of the marketshare, but I would love it if more people adopted FF. Being able to have uBlock on FF mobile work exactly the same as on desktop is a massive plus for me.
I'm not sure if it's more infuriating as a Firefox user to see a website that actually doesn't work on non-Chromium browsers because they couldn't be bothered to develop for compatibility or to see a website say it won't work in anything but Chrome and then proceed to work just fine in FF (maybe after uBlocking an element refusing to let me proceed with an unapproved browser) just because they couldn't be bothered to check whether or not it would work and decided to just try to force me off Firefox. I'm glad you're out there at least trying to keep the Web compatible.
@@tparadox88
Yeah, it pretty quickly diminishes your faith in their ability to develop when you see those messages. However, when you get down to these nuances, web dev can get pretty hard. There are constant time constraints and shitty trade offs have to be made. I don't love it, but sometimes it is a lot more economical to just tell people to use a different browser, than it is to do proper quality assurance. Trust me, it's not the devs wanting to put those messages in.
Cross browser compatibility can be super hard and you'll never know if you get every corner case. It's also a moving target. Right now Safari has a really bad reputation for not adopting some of the newer conventions in CSS.
i'm a web dev and i disagree 100%, firefox for android pales in performance compared to chrome android - i rather my users have a smooth experience with basic CSS animations and canvas rendering than FF's features to be honest
I've been trying Firefox on Android for 6 months now. It's worse in performance compared to chrome and even Edge.
+1 for FF mobile. amazing being able to browse with ublock on your phone. ads are much more brutal to deal with on that platform so its a must for me.
I love videos like this with actual tech tips.
I don't mean for that to be *too much* of a backhanded compliment but it feels like LTT has been making more content that's pretty light on the tech tips and leaning more into show-and-tell vids, react vids, and build a PC for a web celebrity vids
For real this is real tech tips videos
After X many years there's probably not that many tech tips left for them to make videos on
As someone who is a HEAVY browser tab count usually sits around 150 I cull when I hit 300 lol. But this made a huge difference. A small tip that I would of suggested to mention in this video that I find help are tab suspenders Ones that turn old tabs into just hyperlinks ready to click to reload the page. Helps me alot.
(Btw Dont suggest bookmarks thats WAY worse)
Imma data hoarder leave me alone.
Regardless amazing vid loved it.
I'm a developer of a couple web applications and I've noticed that LastPass and grammarly can significantly impact the FCP score (key metric for page load speed) of my website
Been rocking Firefox since 2004 and haven't looked back.
Yo, same here.
Me too but I switched to a HDR display recently and Firefox displays images buggy since.
Hell yeah, FireFox plus Ublock Origin is the first thing that gets installed on any device.
Same
Firefox has shady practices, id say move to a fork of it or elsewhere
Performance aside, DON'T USE LASTPASS
USER THE SAME PASSWORD EVERYWERE INSTEAD
@@Timformers Notepad exe is more secure than last pass and thats SAD
I really like bitwarden
ive been using it for like 5 years its too much effort to go back...
Don't most browsers now just have a password generation algorithm you can use, then just use the browser's saved passwords or is there a reason why people don't utilize these functions?"
Yesterday i was looking for this issue but i didnt find a good explanation like you have done linus, good job man 👍 i foud alot of extensions that are using cache for no reason
It upsets me that the LTT logo and the center of the spin animation weren't lined up.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
The second I read up on the Manifest V3 rollout, I migrated all of my Chrome data to Firefox. The user experience was a seamless transition, plus it gave me an opportunity to do some customization that I haven't thought of before. (Tree style tabs with the title bar being hidden is awesome!)
I tried it, I didn't really like it that much and I am back to Edge. Probably stupid idea, since it's Microsoft who owns me now, but I just like the experience so much better that I don't care...
@@lazymass In the end, finding what works for you is the best decision anyway. No need to find the collective internet's definition of "best"
What is that with treestyle?
I moved away from firefox because it lacked the tab management for a tab hogger like me. I have usually 150 - 300 tabs open (but not loaded)
Is there some good management again?
@@Eoraph: TreeStyleTab is literally why I never switched from FF (plus Google's upcoming ad blocker nerfing)
Thanks for making the switch! 🔥🦊
Been using Firefox for years without any issues, except for maybe a couple of weird broken websites which basically refuse to work on almost anything.
yep thats what made me stop useing firefox and use oprea gx bescue it broke some javascript need to poerly use websites for crossplatform compablty. and that was bascly a decade ago.
I had severe perf issues with Chrome for several weeks and tried everything from disabling extensions to hardware acceleration to no avail. Tried Opera GX and Edge so will be using either of those from now on.
I'm daily driving Firefox now. It's working fine for me. I switched when I first got wind of the Manifest V3 update for Chrome.
Been using Firefox for years never looked back
Since I'm a developer, I have installed the _wasm debugger._ I now realize that that's _probably_ why Chrome got so slow for me, it's analyzing *every instruction* the browser is executing just in case something happens!
no that shouldn't do it. not any more than js debugging (which is incredibly fast).
unless you're running chrome through gdb interactively, the debugger shouldn't impact things much. full disclosure, i've done open source perf engineering for years.
@@dead-claudia
It’s not a javascript debugger, it’s a web assembly debugger. Every time an instruction is executed it checks if it loads a wasm module.
I just tried disabling it and Chrome’s ram usage was instantly halved.
Video summary by Bard/Gemini:
In the video, it is explained that Chrome extensions can slow down your browsing experience. The video suggests reviewing your extensions and disabling or uninstalling any that you are not using.
It will be interesting to see what will happen once the new Manifest V3 will hit us.
Back in the old days Firefox tried something similar and basically killed every single extension which kept me using Firefox. The only difference is that now we don't have anywhere to go...
This video couldn't be more timely. I noticed Chrome running incredibly slow for the past month. I've finally swapped back to Firefox after years - not been disappointed!
But I'm experiencing slow page loading in Firefox though I don't have any extension in Firefox.
wth is it with the Internet Explorer intro??? Firefox used to be around even before Chrome. I switched over 20years ago and never used anything different from Firefox. At no point in time there was any need to switch from FF to Chrome.
@@HoshangGovil If you don't have _any_ extensions, I'd guess it's due to ads and such. Just take a look into the network tab of the "Web Developer tools" on any random site. Some are really insane
@@RandomUser2401 People switched from Firefox to Chrome because of a huge security flaw in Flash about 10 years ago, or a series of them. IIRC Chrome didn't use Flash.
Adblock Extensions are easily worth a decrease in performance 5x over.
YAH UNTILL THEY KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE AND WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE! Just fyI
@@AMPProfYou don't need to use different adblock extensions; I only use Ublock Origin and it gets the job done.
@@AMPProf what
Brave has ad block built in.
Agreed. Ublock origin is the best!
Honestly, Firefox has been a fine replacement for Chrome and Edge for years now. I've been using it ever since Edge got too annoying with unnecessary features (past 2 years I think). People keep on dogging on Firefox for no reason imo. It's been extremely rare to have a site not work on Firefox. The only thing that is kinda lame is that HDR video support still isn't (fully?) implemented. Other than that, zero complaints!
Die hard firefox user here, I have not trusted google chrome for a long time, and from what you are telling me that distrust is not unwarranted
It is kinda disappointing that you didn't do firefox. It would have been relevant for me; but I get that you guys need to do the most common UI, for the same reason you aren't constantly evaluating Linux.
I mean this is a tech channel and looking at the comments most of us here use firefox.
@@mrjohndangerpowerssorry, but it is more the very lood people using FF. The market share is at about 6% as shown in the video. Overall it is about 3%. It is almost irrelevant. Of course these guys make a video about the more relevant stuff.
@@gregor2436 Pretty much. Most people don't care about data/privacy/everything else which means that firefox tends to be niche. Most niche things tend to have vocal supporters which help them stay relevant, but don't actually properly represent the average person (note I did not say user). So, while not irrelevant (trust me, 6 or 3 percent is a massive number of users) firefox doesn't make sense to do a video on, because it means for every 100 people who watch the video, only six (at most) actually use firefox. That's... not great returns.
@@mrjohndangerpowers Thats a frequency illusion. Literally less than 5% of all people that watch a video will add a comment, so it is not at all representative of viewers prefrences.
@@SJokes you are technically correct, the best kind of correct! I was intending to convey that more people here probably use Firefox than the percentage he quoted.
The video releasing at the same time I/O starts lmao
DUDE YEAH
Meh, the highlights are all that are needed
I got an ad for google chrome too lol
could be a clever way to get more attention (views) when google is already in the spotlight
oh yeah...so funny...... ha..ha...ha??
the comment section is so weird sometimes. like...really? you think that was the plan? or somehow a joke? jeez...yall people need to go outside. no offense.
Overwolf, Firefox, Brave and Vivaldi are the best browsers around
Firefox. Never had a single issue with it. It's always worked well, and without the BS you get with other browsers. It just works...
I run Firefox with 14 Extentions and have 66 Tabs open as of right now and it works fine just fine. Plus the extentions are not that lightweight, talking about bitwarden, an adblocker, a tracker blocker, automatic darkmode across the entire web and a custom tab ribbon. It's just Browser diff, what can i say?
Firefox uses more ram than chrome for me.
I use Firefox with about 1000 tabs opened and it works just fine (I am a bit of a tab hoarder since I started using Sideberry extension). Did not find equivalent workflow in Chrome
just fine? i use firefox, but im just waiting to switch to ungoogled chromium soon, since firefox for me just feels a little jank with more tabs open.
tbf, Firefox is the only browser (afaik) that doesn't use chromium. Sure, it's slow at getting some much needed support (like RTX HDR and RTX VSR), but everything else is just so much better and doesnt track your every move like the others do.
@@NotJohnnyTamale firefox and chrome use about the same amount of ram no advantage to either of them its not a switch with performance in mind its mostly a fuck Google type of move
I've been using Firefox for as long as I can remember. I'd love to see these tests done for Firefox as well!
Maybe I am one of the fiew that still use firefox but everytime I hear that most DON'T use it, I simply can't believe it. I tried chrome, I tried opera, i tried brave, I tried edge, but even though there ARE now other alternatives to the internet explorer then just firefox, i am always confused how others could settly on it. especially chrome. I don't know what everyone is measuring but when i used it, I couldn't notice a difference in performance. It was just "the same" but with a worse user interface.
I mainly use Firefox or Firefox forks. I do have a trimmed down chromium installations for the occasions when something isnt optimized for non chromium
I switched to firefox when chrome did the youtube block ad block.
Listen very clearly: Im captain. You serve me. I OWN you. Do what I want or get kicked to the curb. Google made the mistake of misunderstanding our relationship, so Im slowly pulling the plug
Bro, it's just a browser. It's not complicated.
@@alifnaufal Correct, it is just a browser. It exists to serve me. It will be replaced if it ceases to do so
most based take
Is this why I never got any sad face errors by UA-cam for using AddBlocker? Cause I used Firefox? Wow, I just learned that. I did not know it is Chrome related. No one bothered to explain that.
16 years of Firefox use smoothly transitioned into 17 years of Firefox use for me this year.
For me Firefox was at its worst (FF3 memory leaks) right when Chrome was the new hotness so unfortunately I spent most of the last decade using Chrome. I only moved back to Firefox last year or the year before after a few years of recognizing it was going to be the right move.
I'm currently using the new ARC browser that's just come out of Beta this month.
It takes a little getting used to, but Wow, so much faster and loving the new features like split view and tabs.
Firefox user here since day one of it's stable release - and I've never looked back. Constantly rocking 130+ tabs with what feels like 50 extensions and it runs rock solid. I love my Firefox.
I've been a Firefox user since well before Chrome was a thing. I never left because I never had issues with the browser and have been a heavy desktop user my whole life. It sucks to see how much people have resource issues, generally speaking, with extensions and all. I always sort of saw that behavior with Chrome anyway, so I stuck to Firefox and uninstalled the few times I did try it.
That said - not a big fan of their mobile client. Chrome's integration into Android feels so clean and easy. I'd love to see some analysis there - for both iOS and Android. Maybe a discussion on how browsers and mobile work given the continued rapid rise in mobile internet browsing compared to desktop browsing.
Also - where's the Netscape Navigator crew at?! ;)
Netscape is like a first love.
I think Firefox recent mobile client updates are a lot better than they where a year or two ago. Just wish i could make my news feed use it by default instead of Chrome (without having to root it).
Thank you for your ongoing support! ❤🔥
you might have tried ff mobile when it was not very good like in gingerbread/jellybean/oreo days. i have been using ff mobile for over 4 years now and other than the occasional websites made with only chrome in mind, i have never had any problems whatsoever. the experience was actually better without worrying about google trying to steal my data . not to mention it supports all the extensions i use and has offline web page translation for quite a few languages. i recommend you give it another try, it is genuinely really good now. i use firefox nightly btw on mobile and developer edition on desktop so i can't say exactly how the experience is for normal firefox but it should not be much different.
whats the deal with ff mobile? i dont really use android a ton but since ive switched to ff on dekstop ive also switched to mobile ff aswell since it feels better to use than using chrome on the phone ff on dekstop
someone at google sat up in their chair and sprayed coffee all over the room when Linus told 15 million people to go to their settings and uncheck the ad settings they likely checked by accident years ago 😆
2:34 if we're talking about obsidian the note taking tool. It is a web app that could be run in your browser so I'm not sure why it's not crossed out here.
After all the ads and ad blocker wars, i simply uninstalled chrome that i have been using for years and was happy, and switch to superior Firefox, when it comes to ad blocker addons
This is actually really helpful for me, my chrome has been kinda slow lately.
In case you haven't read any other comments: firefox is the solution.
brave is good too
I really wonder what changed. It slows my computer for some reason
would be neat to see the comparison between browsers and their respective versions. like ei, edge, edge chromium, chrome, firefox, waterfox, brave, opera, etc
The elephant sitting on top of my Chrome performance was Windows "Efficiency mode".
Disabling that for Chrome fixed major issues that I had with mundane tasks such as typing into a text box.
You SHOULD do the same evaluation for Firefox extensions. Maybe showing all this will actually help convince people to switch by showing how uBlock Origin actually works more optimally in Firefox, and if other extensions are also more efficient on it too.
Been on Firefox for most of the past decade and no plans to change that. New Tab Suspender is incredible.
New Tab Suspender? Never heard of that before.
No worries Theft is a poisoned cookie with temp file frosting
btw No more buckets of chum
New Tab Suspender? If it does what it sounds like it does, then Chrome has extensions for that.
Thank you for your support!
Firefox is the best browser for OLED monitors because you can use the tabs in full screen mode by moving your cursor to the top of the screen, while in Chrome, you have to keep going out of full screen to open a different tab and then go into full screen again to prevent burn-in.
Thanks! I had no idea and just got an OLED monitor while recently switching to FireFox after having a ton of issues with Chrome :D
My only reservation about that suggestion is that Firefox does not support HDR, including Nvidia's RTX HDR video enhancement features, which is a deal-breaker for me. To own an OLED and not utilize HDR when available seems wasteful.
@@brianlovin741Firefox 126.0 supports RTX video enhancements now, Nvidia themselves even made a blog post about it.
Only time I use(d) Chrome was on my various incarnations of the Raspberry Pi. However, now RPi has updated its OS to Bookworm, Firefox is fully supported, so I now do what I have done for eons on the PC... use FF on my RPis.
Using Edge for a year. I love it. Battery life has increased too along with performance benefits
Watching this in Brave to support Linus.
:D Yes. Brave, the better Chromium :)
I use brave myself. Watching on phone though through UA-cam ap.
Me too 😂
I very recently switched over to Firefox for this exact reason.
You mean, the one that literally is slower? I happen to have borderline machine here and the difference is just enough, and that is with firefox without extension other than ublocker.. youtube is almost unusable, every website takes WAY longer to open and user experience sucks? I would love to change to it but seeing how much slower it is.. no fucking way.
how do you know if someone uses firefox , they will tell you
Had been using firefox and the only downside is extensions tbh
also the top bar is a little big imo
@@llmugetsull honestly, I have found all my extensions that i used on brave on firefox as well. Ublock, BTTV, Return UA-cam Dislike, most popular extensions have firefox versions too
great video, love to learn about this stuff. thanks Linus
I am searching about why my chrome is lagging while using youtube I glad you made a video about this topic.
Thank you Linus.