@@patrickpk6299 I'm not so sure it's a bathroom, that could be a privacy curtain such as in a med bay or something. Very similar. I agree it would be funny if he was in the bathroom but to me it looks like a privacy curtain. He might have stepped aside during work for the call and that was the most private place to do it.
Imagine what it must be like to excel in high school, pay for a 4-year pre-law degree, get accepted to law school, go thru all that, serve an apprenticeship as a clerk to some court, pass the Bar exam, work at a law firm, maybe your own, for X years, FINALLY get appointed or elected a judge, and THEN have to with there and listen to these idiots, especially some Quack “doctor” that has studied tribal law. GEEEEZZZUS! How does this judge have the patience of a saint?
A little too patient, he was patronizing Dr. D-bag by allowing a line of questioning that was totally irrelevant. He also let the moron defendant interrupt his ruling on numerous occasions, that’s what contempt is for.
I genuinely cant believe how kind, patient and helpful that judge was. He genuinely seemed to take his points on board and on several occasions he gave him advice on how he needed to make his argument since he understood that the guy had no legal knowledge at all and didn’t know how he was supposed to present things or question the witness. He seems like a genuinely nice guy.
Finally ! A judge with the definitive shut down to the endless repetitive argument "who you think gets to decide ? Me!" Perfect. I hope other judges follow suit
But it's great to watch when you are struggling with mental health issues and life seems difficult. A couple of cases like this and you realise that actually, you're ok and there's people WAY worse off than you. And you hold your head a little higher and go a little more confidently into the world to live your life 😊
Prosecutor: "The people would like to call Officer Bourgeois to the stand to offer additional testimony." Defense [after 1st question]: "I object. He's trying to give additional testimony!" You just can't make stuff up.
That's irrelevant to me. Here is my guess. And this is only a guess. The cops saw him on the boat well before they looked at the registration. They used the expired registration as a pretext for boarding the boat and having contact. Even though their observation of Impairment was before any examination of the registration. I wish we saw the Snapchat. Was he impaired? Likely very likely he never disputed that. But I suspect whoever polices those waters is well aware that tribal members do use them. I would be shocked if they didn't know. At any rate it sounds like they are backfilling details as cops love to do. Was he resisting? Who knows maybe verbally but the cops statements don't sound like they are consistent with the snapchat video. Based on the cops testimony I have serious concerns with his ability to be truthful. They saw a drunk guy in a boat and arrested him. That's it. Body cams will tell us a lot. But it sounds like he never left the dock. As an American I have issues with cops , any type, using the letter of the law as a pretext for arresting citizens. Now was he ever a danger before they arrested him? Because if they were interested in public safety, I would expect they would tell him he's drunk and can't operate a boat first, regardless of the registration. In my mind there is a very good chance these 2 cops watched him drinking and instead of stopping him before he got in the boat waited , checked the registration so the stop would be valid legally then arrested him. That is called a sociopath.
@@davepirtle9790 as much as I get the feeling the cop probably did a bogus stop, idling the boat while drunk is the same as driving it as far as the law is concerned.
Very well handled! I love our judicial system, even if it isn’t perfect, it is as perfect as it comes. I appreciate the educated judge who carries out his court duties as a real professional!! It makes me proud of our system when I see things like this. It makes me proud to be an American!!
@@PatriciaHindman you think our judicial system is better than other countries? I’m curious based on what? Because it seems to me that the effort to “punish” people who commit crimes even small crimes is way out of control in the US. I read about a country that allows their prisoners to use knives for cooking. You can’t even get a plastic knife in jail or prison in the US. I don’t know if you saw the show -60 days in? With Sheriff Noel at the Clark County Jail. Anyways the irony of what he says is telling. He never says our job is to keep the inmates safe and make sure when they get out they are ready . No he says his job is to make their stay unpleasant as a deterrent. Meaning it will be so bad no one will want to come back. Well he was wrong on 2 counts. The first being his scam to fraudulently take taxpayer money and now he is facing jail or prison. But more importantly he just doesn’t get it. Study after study has shown his method does not work, not for inmates, not for kids , not for addicts etc.
that's the problem, they are trying to AVOID the admiralty court by claiming to be sovcits or freemen on the land. The American flag having a gold fringe means it is an admiralty court, and thus it would have jurisdiction over issues on the water.
@@Jrez sorry to inform you, but the gold trim flag has nothing to do with an admiralty court. You can Google it. Unless he was in a ship, he doesn't have to worry about federal Admiralty court. Besides that Admiralty law or maritime law is a body of law that governs nautical issues and private maritime disputes. Admiralty law consists of both domestic law on maritime activities, and private international law governing the relationships between private parties operating or using ocean-going ships, Gold fringe on a flag, for military is considered that fringe is used as an honorable enrichment only, and has nothing to do with maritime. For others, the gold trim is simply a decoration and signifies nothing.
Damn straight! That’s why he sought an “expert” to create a new angle - although I have no idea what fishing rights have to do with being drunk on a boat but hey, it’s a sovcit, so we expect no less!
And a jurisdictional challenge that at least raised actual, triable legal questions. This is a unicorn riding a double rainbow to a field of 4-lead clover.
"I'm an Indigenous American, which means fishing laws don't apply to me." Yep. 'Kay. "Which means I can operate a vehicle while intoxicated." Nope. No you can't.
My uncle was a member of the Cherokee Nation, but he lived most of his life in California. He would absolutely take more fish than allowed and if he got caught he'd use the Native Fishing Rights, right up until the time fish and wildlife started asked for proof of membership
My grandma had a double knee replacement and her body rejected them and her Dr. refused to accept the signs and kept telling her they’ll eventually get better. After a year of her barely being able to move and constantly getting worse they FINALLY re did them! But she definitely constantly looked drunk when she walked. Not defending this guy at all but just reminded me of my Gma, awesome to hear your hip replacement was a success! It’s incredible what Dr’s are able to do
I am awaiting double hip replacement surgery in 3 weeks time and I’m very happy to read you now walk better than before!! I certainly walk a bit like a drunk currently and I’m looking forward to walking like a sober person again 😂
While it sounds absurd, it's fairly common for a PhD candidate to have a specific field of study that falls under the umbrella of a more generic term. His Native American Studies degree may have been called something very wordy and complicated such as "The study of relative impacts of multilateral treaties on traditional subsistence activities of aboriginal peoples"
@@doug3512 That sounds more like a dissertation title rather than the degree awarded. The degree will be a generic PhD for whichever college they are attending. My wife has a PhD in nutrition (what it says on her diploma), whereas her dissertation was specifically about the effect of diet and exercise intervention on lippoprotein subfractions in obese women.
Dr Phillip C Bellfy was an Associate Professor in the department of Rhetoric, writing, and American Culture studies. Bellfy wrote a few books on American Indian culture and does appear to have worked with tribal administration. His doctorate is in American cultural history. It looks like since he stopped teaching he has gotten involved in a number of court disputes (tickets, suing cities on funding usage, disputes over sidewalks, etc)
The verbal resist was the boater refused taking a drunk assessment test. If you refuse a sobriety test you are automatically arrested for further investigation.
Ive done it 7 times and won them all. If you arent an idiot like these people its fairly easy to win using their rules of evidence and procedures against them.
I read the treaty. It protects hunting and fishing, not drunk boating. "Tribal members: (i) may Hunt, Fish, Trap, and Gather natural resources, without limitation" and "The State is also prohibited from prosecuting Tribal members for alleged Hunting and Fishing violations"
yeah does that include purloining stuff like refined gold and petroleum from jewelery stores and refineries respectively? They're natural resources, right? Or do they have to be raw ore and oil?
@@robdoar-law well if we read that literally “the state(aka any us government institution) is prohibited from prosecuting…,,” So this would be a fishing in the defenses opinion. If fishing requires just some or one fishing item (ie one lure ). But I do think his jurisdiction argument could hold weight.
Mike, may I suggest something? You should clip for future use that part of last night's stream where Judge Oakley says 'the internet is the worst thing for these people'. I think that sums up the problem. These sovcits Google around trying to figure out how to deal with their tickets/charges, find some nugget promising the key to getting the ticket/charge dismissed, and end up down this weird rabbithole that ultimately only causes them more problems than it solves.
“Next think you you know it’s gonna be $20k…. *beep*” she can’t even change the fire alarm batteries let alone $20k in rent. Lady just leave you deadbeat
I am dying over here! - The guy who simply walked into the courtroom attempting to represent the defender without offering anything resembling a law license, and got stopped by the judge at the very last moment in his attempt to sit at Defendant’s table, *has been qualified as AN EXPERT witness on legal and jurisdictional issues* - BY THAT SAME JUDGE. 🤣🤣
In the beginning he said “commercial fishermen”. Ask the man is he an involved in the commerce of fisheries 😂 I doubt he sells fish for a living. If he says yes, then ask him for his tax ID number(if that’s legal), or make him show his filings with the town/city if he is conducting business of the fish along with the exchanging of monies on their fine streets and water-ways as a tribal traveler(🤷♀️) ‼️CASE CLOSED - You Welcome‼️ 😂🤣😂🤣😂
@@KinniMoo correct. In fact the decree or amended decree states the tribal member must obey safety laws as strict as state or federal or higher. So his only legitimate argument would be on jurisdiction, that this should go to the tribal court. But they might be stricter. I don’t think this was like your sovereign citizen case. With no body cam it’s his word against the marine cops. Not looking good when it’s already known he had been drinking.
@@davepirtle9790tribal or federal court. There may be a constitutional defense given they are state conservation officers who should know all the laws regarding hunting, fishing, trapping, etc in Michigan or any other state that has a a large number of tribal citizens'and should know the laws that govern them and who's got jurisdiction. Did they ask if he was tribal before arrest?
OMG...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣between the actual video and accompanying chat...I'm going to die from excessive laughing. Before I do...thank you for giving me the opportunity to die with dignity.
It’s flooding here in California but I’m in my office grateful to have your video to laugh at! Indian Studies doctorate and he thinks he can be an expert on a DUI?😂😂😂😂
@@ki4nge4it's reassuring that this nonsense is minimal within the population 😊 sometimes when you fall down the rabbit hole of sovcit court cases and the like, it looks like it's far more common
I agree with you, Mike. Definitely a matter of law that is up to the Judge to decide, not this "expert." The prosecutor may be letting this slide without more objections because cases involving the tribes often bring with them lots of politics.
So first defendents defense is that he is Native therefore he can be drunk and operating a boat? That's really safe for everyone. Simpson's defendent doesn't have a clue. 😂
Okay... I have been listening to this while working, so I wasn't sure if I missed something... It was so outrageous that I looked for your comment to confirm that this is what this native stuff was about lol....
I think You're underestimating how close the prosecutor is to losing this one. He has nothing prepared to ask the dopey "expert" and he lets the whole thing get derailed into debate that has no bearing on the charge.
@@xcrockery8080 To get shutdown on legal and jurisdictional issues by the legal "researcher" who fully believes that in order to represent a defender - one does NOT need a law license, and who dedicated his entire academic career to studying 60-pages written in present-day English. - That pros is an embarrassment to the State Bar of Michigan.
Loved that judge who was on last night… “sir your ass in the chair,” judge.😂 I stayed up after seeing beginning. When are you sleeping? These are awesome…. Especially for those of us who wake at 2 or 3 am, can’t go back to sleep! Thanks!❤😂👍👏👏
These people are like 70 years old in the first video. It has nothing to do with education system at this point they already forgot everything from that time lol. They were also in school when people think schools were good. I'm 40 and don't remember any the maths I learned in university so I doubt these guys who are well older remember anything from primary education.
This one does a lot better than most. He’s actually calm and making legal arguments. Incorrect ones, but he at least knows how to play the game. Oh crap! They’re learning 😂
Meh I my theory is more people who were already going to be useless just use the SovCit thing for lack of any alternative. In other words the degeneracy is the same as it always was but they have another pointless defense to try.
I want to see the one and I believe it’s Greenwood County with. I can’t remember her name were Jill, Gerard and Judge Webster. I believe it is supposed to have a person here from Texas for a hearing in person and he supposed to be here or have a warrant out for his arrest, I’m curious if he actually shows today
I just watched that 1 before I came to this video! 😆 oof, she was annoyed AF with him. Mam, it's a 14hr+ drive if I leave now and I still might not make it. Judge: You better not be driving here without a license 😂😂
Ho-Kay! I screwed up and learned something because of LTWM. For the first case I read the decree of 2007. The Professor is correct. Indian members from one of the 5 tribes mentioned (or those hired by them or fishing for them) do NOT need their boat to be registered in the state if the boat is fishing in one of the mentioned waters. But the fisherperson must have his boat registered by the tribe. He must also have a tribal permit and display it at all times. He must also conform to Michigan penal codes. If he violates a penal code outside of the Tribal exceptions, the State may prosecute. Impaired operation of a vessel is a State crime not exempted by the decree. Sooooo….he doesn’t need a state boat registration. He needs a tribal boat registration. He doesn’t need a state fishing permit, he needs a tribal one. And if he violates the Tribal requirements, he may face a Tribal Court, with a prosecutor from that particular Tribe to which Mr SovvyCit belongs. Sorry. I couldn’t help it. I learned!!!
If the "consent decree" prevents authorities from being able to protect the public from drunk people operating boats then it is a flawed decree indeed.
At one point you find out the Prosecutor has argued on the Consent Decree and misinterpreted what it says - so he's essentially participated in his case's derailment by this irrelevant document.
About expert witnesses; Back in the '80s I was popped for Marijuana Cultivation and I challenged the warrant. I was a Landscape Contractor with a Horticulture Degree. At the pre trial to suppress my attorney was questioning me, setting up my knowledge of plants, when the prosecutor, who apparently wanted to be anywhere else, dismissively waved his hand and and stipulated to my expertise in Horticulture. In a cultivation case! I was free to go twenty minutes later. Now I get my weed online with free delivery.
I need free went! Then move to the projects. Yep, it's called rent "can you believe that, they want me to pay rent!"🤣 The last dude, does anyone at LTWM think that he will be able to pay the $ 3,100+ by Feb 20th? I am a tad doubtful🤣
the clerk looks like she has a nice bag of ganja next to her, she must have knew the sov cit was coming and brought enough for everyone. Such a sweet clerk.
The police found that McCloud's boat registration had expired, but why would he need a registration for his boat in the first place if he were a member of the Sioux tribe? I thought Mr. McCloud's "expert" witness claimed that he didn't need to register his "vessel" in the first place because he was a member of an Indian tribe in the state of Michigan. Did Mr. McCloud only find out that he was a member of the Sioux tribe after he registrated his boat, and then after that he didn't renew his boat's registration anymore? I know that all this a moot point since Mr. McCloud was arrested first for DUI, and then latter for the "expired" boat registration. I'm just curious. It should be a "doozy" of a jury trial.
Officer Bourgeois looks like he stepped right out of a World War I movie.
World War 2?
Officer Bourgeois testified on the shitter lol. @14:51 ...shower curtain behind him...not very Bougie!!!
😆1000%
@@jodihubbs2054 Nah, WWI... 'Doughboy,' 100%.
@@patrickpk6299 I'm not so sure it's a bathroom, that could be a privacy curtain such as in a med bay or something. Very similar. I agree it would be funny if he was in the bathroom but to me it looks like a privacy curtain. He might have stepped aside during work for the call and that was the most private place to do it.
Imagine what it must be like to excel in high school, pay for a 4-year pre-law degree, get accepted to law school, go thru all that, serve an apprenticeship as a clerk to some court, pass the Bar exam, work at a law firm, maybe your own, for X years, FINALLY get appointed or elected a judge, and THEN have to with there and listen to these idiots, especially some Quack “doctor” that has studied tribal law. GEEEEZZZUS! How does this judge have the patience of a saint?
A little too patient, he was patronizing Dr. D-bag by allowing a line of questioning that was totally irrelevant. He also let the moron defendant interrupt his ruling on numerous occasions, that’s what contempt is for.
I couldn't do it without a bottle of scotch and a straw under the bench 😊 that wouldn't work so it's just as well I chose a different field of work
@@maryholden3136👍☺️💗🤣🤣
one point, anyone with a PhD has title of doctor.
@@kithrin3 Anyone with $30-50,000 can get a
PhD in almost any subject. Same with degrees like DNP 🙄
I genuinely cant believe how kind, patient and helpful that judge was. He genuinely seemed to take his points on board and on several occasions he gave him advice on how he needed to make his argument since he understood that the guy had no legal knowledge at all and didn’t know how he was supposed to present things or question the witness. He seems like a genuinely nice guy.
I know experts. Not one would ever say, "I'm an expert."
would you say you are an expert on experts?
@@MalakianM2S Yes. Yes I would - an expert told me so.
@@danmayberry1185 That was an expertly given answer.
This banter is showing an exquisite degree of expertise 😊
Love this chat lol
Mirroring Judge Bryant: You can "travel" your way into the Wayne County Jail....🤣😂🤣😂
She's one of my faves!!
🤣🤣🤣💗👌 her voice & tone are now in my head 🤣
Before we get started, Your Honor, I would like to object to everything that isn't going to allow me to win my case -
Nailed it
Omg! Are you a lawyer? That was a perfect opening statement.
😂😂😂😂
Blah Blah Blah....any supposed rights are trumped by the Michigan State law that you can't operate a water or road vehicle while intoxicated. 😵💫
😂😂😂😂
Finally ! A judge with the definitive shut down to the endless repetitive argument "who you think gets to decide ? Me!" Perfect. I hope other judges follow suit
What's that dang clicking noise in the audio?
@@Cici-b4dThat noise is the squirrel in the sov cits brain, treadmill needs oiling.
I started to try to follow the guy's logic but I decided to save my brain cells.
I tried but i decided on the same thing, I believe we are worth more than this shyte 😂
Lord the second hand embarrassment.
🤣🤣
Yeah, once your face hurts from excessive frowning from bewilderment its hard to proceed
🤣😂👍🤯
But it's great to watch when you are struggling with mental health issues and life seems difficult. A couple of cases like this and you realise that actually, you're ok and there's people WAY worse off than you. And you hold your head a little higher and go a little more confidently into the world to live your life 😊
Prosecutor: "The people would like to call Officer Bourgeois to the stand to offer additional testimony."
Defense [after 1st question]: "I object. He's trying to give additional testimony!"
You just can't make stuff up.
🤣👌💗
So often the Defense Atty. aligns, REFLECTS and zigs perfectly with their doofy Sov Shitz client 🤣🤣🤣
You KNOW that the officer’s friends and colleagues refer to him as “Officer Bougie” 😂
Oh dear I read that as bogie …as in booger 😂😂😂
I know I would. Lol
Or "Officer Boogie." That's my dancing name at The Sugar Shack in Lake Geneva
I'm willing to bet he had bullying growing and can handle himself.
I think that's actually his porn name.
If the boat is tribal and doesnt need a registration, then why did it have an EXPIRED registration?
Maybe it wasn't always tribal......or previously registered outside tribal jurisdiction for some reason
That's irrelevant to me. Here is my guess. And this is only a guess. The cops saw him on the boat well before they looked at the registration.
They used the expired registration as a pretext for boarding the boat and having contact. Even though their observation of Impairment was before any examination of the registration.
I wish we saw the Snapchat. Was he impaired? Likely very likely he never disputed that.
But I suspect whoever polices those waters is well aware that tribal members do use them. I would be shocked if they didn't know.
At any rate it sounds like they are backfilling details as cops love to do.
Was he resisting? Who knows maybe verbally but the cops statements don't sound like they are consistent with the snapchat video.
Based on the cops testimony I have serious concerns with his ability to be truthful. They saw a drunk guy in a boat and arrested him. That's it.
Body cams will tell us a lot. But it sounds like he never left the dock.
As an American I have issues with cops , any type, using the letter of the law as a pretext for arresting citizens.
Now was he ever a danger before they arrested him? Because if they were interested in public safety, I would expect they would tell him he's drunk and can't operate a boat first, regardless of the registration.
In my mind there is a very good chance these 2 cops watched him drinking and instead of stopping him before he got in the boat waited , checked the registration so the stop would be valid legally then arrested him.
That is called a sociopath.
@@davepirtle9790 He was getting out of the boat drunk. He had already operated the boat drunk. The crime had already been committed.
@ was that on the video? Because I don’t recall the officer testifying he saw him driving the boat only idling it.
@@davepirtle9790 as much as I get the feeling the cop probably did a bogus stop, idling the boat while drunk is the same as driving it as far as the law is concerned.
Very well handled! I love our judicial system, even if it isn’t perfect, it is as perfect as it comes. I appreciate the educated judge who carries out his court duties as a real professional!! It makes me proud of our system when I see things like this. It makes me proud to be an American!!
@@PatriciaHindman you think our judicial system is better than other countries? I’m curious based on what? Because it seems to me that the effort to “punish” people who commit crimes even small crimes is way out of control in the US. I read about a country that allows their prisoners to use knives for cooking. You can’t even get a plastic knife in jail or prison in the US.
I don’t know if you saw the show -60 days in? With Sheriff Noel at the Clark County Jail. Anyways the irony of what he says is telling. He never says our job is to keep the inmates safe and make sure when they get out they are ready . No he says his job is to make their stay unpleasant as a deterrent. Meaning it will be so bad no one will want to come back.
Well he was wrong on 2 counts. The first being his scam to fraudulently take taxpayer money and now he is facing jail or prison.
But more importantly he just doesn’t get it. Study after study has shown his method does not work, not for inmates, not for kids , not for addicts etc.
Heart goes out to the judge and prosecution having to deal with this delusional idiocy.
Seeing that the boat was on water. He blew the chance to insist on an admiralty court
"My vessel!"
my whessel
that's the problem, they are trying to AVOID the admiralty court by claiming to be sovcits or freemen on the land. The American flag having a gold fringe means it is an admiralty court, and thus it would have jurisdiction over issues on the water.
@@Jrez sorry to inform you, but the gold trim flag has nothing to do with an admiralty court. You can Google it.
Unless he was in a ship, he doesn't have to worry about federal Admiralty court.
Besides that Admiralty law or maritime law is a body of law that governs nautical issues and private maritime disputes. Admiralty law consists of both domestic law on maritime activities, and private international law governing the relationships between private parties operating or using ocean-going ships,
Gold fringe on a flag, for military is considered that fringe is used as an honorable enrichment only, and has nothing to do with maritime.
For others, the gold trim is simply a decoration and signifies nothing.
@@richlaue I'm quoting sovcit nonsense. Obviously it isn't true, I'm just applying their logic to your statement.
Finally, a maritime law case! They can’t use that sovcit angle.
Damn straight! That’s why he sought an “expert” to create a new angle - although I have no idea what fishing rights have to do with being drunk on a boat but hey, it’s a sovcit, so we expect no less!
I think there’s even gold fringe on the flag!
And there was a vessel involved.
A real SovCit legal expert would have moved to remove the case to Admiralty Court.
And a jurisdictional challenge that at least raised actual, triable legal questions. This is a unicorn riding a double rainbow to a field of 4-lead clover.
"Chief Runningmouth" 😂😂 omfg.
Lolololololol
It's amazing that these people think they can outsmart a room full of lawyers with some stuff they printed online
It amazes me that they can't find a single court case where "The Script" did not fail, yet they keep reading the same "Script"
He did way better than I thought he would tbh
"I'm an Indigenous American, which means fishing laws don't apply to me." Yep. 'Kay. "Which means I can operate a vehicle while intoxicated." Nope. No you can't.
Nobody is allowed to operate a "vessel " while they are OWI. This guy is an entitled ass. 😂
My uncle was a member of the Cherokee Nation, but he lived most of his life in California. He would absolutely take more fish than allowed and if he got caught he'd use the Native Fishing Rights, right up until the time fish and wildlife started asked for proof of membership
I had both my hips replaced....and because I did, I now walk better than before.
My grandma had a double knee replacement and her body rejected them and her Dr. refused to accept the signs and kept telling her they’ll eventually get better. After a year of her barely being able to move and constantly getting worse they FINALLY re did them! But she definitely constantly looked drunk when she walked.
Not defending this guy at all but just reminded me of my Gma, awesome to hear your hip replacement was a success! It’s incredible what Dr’s are able to do
I am awaiting double hip replacement surgery in 3 weeks time and I’m very happy to read you now walk better than before!! I certainly walk a bit like a drunk currently and I’m looking forward to walking like a sober person again 😂
Hip replacements do not explain the foul stench of alcohol that I smelled on your breath sir. ROFL
I play ice hockey with a guy with a double hip replacement. He can stand up just fine.
@@brayhill I know each patient can be different but if his new hips are that bad then he needs to go back to the doctor.
I have a hip replacement and I stink of cheap whiskey. That kills your theory.
And just what do you think powers bionic hips, sir? Could it not be alcohol based fuel, YES OR NO?
@@davident1 Exactly. I know quite a few people with hip replacements. One doesn't confuse them with drunks.
Dr Bellfy”s testimony should be taken with the value similar to there is a Santa claus
"I have a PhD in American Indian Studies. It's not called that but that's what it is." WTF????
His PhD is in Philosophy.
While it sounds absurd, it's fairly common for a PhD candidate to have a specific field of study that falls under the umbrella of a more generic term.
His Native American Studies degree may have been called something very wordy and complicated such as "The study of relative impacts of multilateral treaties on traditional subsistence activities of aboriginal peoples"
@@doug3512 That sounds more like a dissertation title rather than the degree awarded. The degree will be a generic PhD for whichever college they are attending. My wife has a PhD in nutrition (what it says on her diploma), whereas her dissertation was specifically about the effect of diet and exercise intervention on lippoprotein subfractions in obese women.
He’s also well versed in Bird Law
Dr Phillip C Bellfy was an Associate Professor in the department of Rhetoric, writing, and American Culture studies. Bellfy wrote a few books on American Indian culture and does appear to have worked with tribal administration. His doctorate is in American cultural history. It looks like since he stopped teaching he has gotten involved in a number of court disputes (tickets, suing cities on funding usage, disputes over sidewalks, etc)
All I can think about is Jeff Foxworthy. No sir I don't care if the fish are biting, step outta the boat. You lost your skier about a mile back.😂😂😂
The verbal resist was the boater refused taking a drunk assessment test. If you refuse a sobriety test you are automatically arrested for further investigation.
Every time I hear someone trying to represent themselves in court, I think of Charlie from It's Always Sunny. "Objection - filibuster!" 😂😂😂
Bird law! Tbf, charlie did win a court case!
Everytime I see a Sov Cit in court I think of the ASIPhilly episode Flowers for Charlie
These guys would be better off with Uncle Jack and his big hands!
Ive done it 7 times and won them all. If you arent an idiot like these people its fairly easy to win using their rules of evidence and procedures against them.
I drove through Washtenaw County this past weekend and sent a salute to Judge Simpson.
If she truly has $0… how in the hell is she eating, paying utilities, et cetera???
Subsidies, food stamps, low income offset.
Lmao Mike killed me @12:43
“I’ve seen drunk. And you looked drunk to me” 😂😂😂😂😂
I read the treaty. It protects hunting and fishing, not drunk boating.
"Tribal members: (i) may Hunt, Fish, Trap, and Gather natural resources,
without limitation" and "The State is also prohibited from prosecuting Tribal members for alleged Hunting and Fishing
violations"
I think the defendant was trying to say that LE detained him without probable cause, that is, that they had ulterior motives.
Fish, trap, and gather natural resources is very vague. At the end of the day that could be anything, in regards to specific activities.
yeah does that include purloining stuff like refined gold and petroleum from jewelery stores and refineries respectively? They're natural resources, right? Or do they have to be raw ore and oil?
@@robdoar-law well if we read that literally “the state(aka any us government institution) is prohibited from prosecuting…,,”
So this would be a fishing in the defenses opinion. If fishing requires just some or one fishing item (ie one lure ).
But I do think his jurisdiction argument could hold weight.
So this dude was in a boat, a vessel, so "Admiralty Law" would apply. :)
Judge Gauthier ROCKS it within 7 seconds!!!! A new court record! (See what I did there?) ROFL
I love saying Sheboygan! (That is all, thank you.)
Me, too! I have to repeat it several times every time I hear it!
😂😂
I love saying Schenectady.
Niagara Falls. Slowly I turn, step by step, inch by inch
🎶 Mention my name in Sheboygan.
It's the greatest little town in the world. 🎶
Mike, may I suggest something? You should clip for future use that part of last night's stream where Judge Oakley says 'the internet is the worst thing for these people'.
I think that sums up the problem. These sovcits Google around trying to figure out how to deal with their tickets/charges, find some nugget promising the key to getting the ticket/charge dismissed, and end up down this weird rabbithole that ultimately only causes them more problems than it solves.
Ok well I am the antidote to that
@@LawTalkWithMike Lol, you sound defensive....
“Next think you you know it’s gonna be $20k…. *beep*” she can’t even change the fire alarm batteries let alone $20k in rent. Lady just leave you deadbeat
I am dying over here!
- The guy who simply walked into the courtroom attempting to represent the defender without offering anything resembling a law license, and got stopped by the judge at the very last moment in his attempt to sit at Defendant’s table, *has been qualified as AN EXPERT witness on legal and jurisdictional issues* - BY THAT SAME JUDGE.
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In the beginning he said “commercial fishermen”. Ask the man is he an involved in the commerce of fisheries 😂 I doubt he sells fish for a living. If he says yes, then ask him for his tax ID number(if that’s legal), or make him show his filings with the town/city if he is conducting business of the fish along with the exchanging of monies on their fine streets and water-ways as a tribal traveler(🤷♀️)
‼️CASE CLOSED - You Welcome‼️
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I love how his questions make the prosecutor's case for him.
“Shut up, Chief Running Mouth”. My fave @Law Talk With Mike🚒🚒
"Cheif running mouth"
I love it!😂😂😂
Why do I feel like drunk boating was not in the decree
@@KinniMoo correct. In fact the decree or amended decree states the tribal member must obey safety laws as strict as state or federal or higher. So his only legitimate argument would be on jurisdiction, that this should go to the tribal court. But they might be stricter.
I don’t think this was like your sovereign citizen case. With no body cam it’s his word against the marine cops. Not looking good when it’s already known he had been drinking.
@@davepirtle9790tribal or federal court. There may be a constitutional defense given they are state conservation officers who should know all the laws regarding hunting, fishing, trapping, etc in Michigan or any other state that has a a large number of tribal citizens'and should know the laws that govern them and who's got jurisdiction. Did they ask if he was tribal before arrest?
Imagine having the sheer arrogance/ignorance to challenge the entire American legal system with something you read on Facebook.
And not do _any_ research into it and thus not seeing the millions of "Stupid SovCit gets arrested again!" videos and articles
American legal system? What are you talking about it’s not American lmao
Is freedom too difficult to understand?
@@idareya7250 Here’s the attention you came looking for
Graduating 8th grade does not equal an education.
OMG...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣between the actual video and accompanying chat...I'm going to die from excessive laughing. Before I do...thank you for giving me the opportunity to die with dignity.
Dignity as long as you dont poop yourself first.
This is a case that ACTUALLY IS on the water! OMG. Sov Cit’s wet dream.
It’s flooding here in California but I’m in my office grateful to have your video to laugh at! Indian Studies doctorate and he thinks he can be an expert on a DUI?😂😂😂😂
Prayers to you and everyone in California dealing with the horrible weather , 🙏 Stay safe !!
MARITIME LAW IS STRONG HERE, The drunken Admiral stumbles in objection.
He probably tripped on his gold fringe!
@@marilynsmith365Hey, it happens! 😂
For the lady with the rent problem, that's why you ALWAYS use certified mail for any issues with money. You get the receipts.
The more Dr Bellfy talks the more you find out what he doesn’t know about the Native Americans
His UA-cam website has.... A whole 6 subs.....
SIX ...
@@ki4nge4it's reassuring that this nonsense is minimal within the population 😊 sometimes when you fall down the rabbit hole of sovcit court cases and the like, it looks like it's far more common
The prosecutor needs to be better prepared for the trial. Luckily he won during this hearing.
I agree that he was lucky - he didn't do very well. Cases get thrown out for less.
Have to agree with you , to many DAs are un prepared and this is why criminals are free to break he law again and again!
That was funny... Chief running mouth
Most of McCloud trial was fairly dry, but Mike calling him Chief Running Mouth, made me choke on my coffee
😂😂😂 222 Funny 🤣🤣
God I hope that I am never that bitter and stubborn. If I ever am, someone please take me out to the pasture.
I just looked up The Good Doctor and.... He is Also a WAC JOB.... These 2 Must be Besties for Life...
The Darrell Brooks fan club. They should all meet in prison
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Yup...
Pretty sure that's secret information about their secret meeting place.😁
I want body cam footage of him exiting his vessel and that wrestling match!
How is this missing?!?
I agree with you, Mike. Definitely a matter of law that is up to the Judge to decide, not this "expert." The prosecutor may be letting this slide without more objections because cases involving the tribes often bring with them lots of politics.
Mr McCloud got charged with contempt of court also and spent night in jail
1:09:17 "I had a lawyer who worked with me. Now he don't want to work with me". Judge Simpsons face 😂😅😂😅😂😅!!!
I know it was beautiful 😂
So first defendents defense is that he is Native therefore he can be drunk and operating a boat? That's really safe for everyone. Simpson's defendent doesn't have a clue. 😂
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Okay... I have been listening to this while working, so I wasn't sure if I missed something... It was so outrageous that I looked for your comment to confirm that this is what this native stuff was about lol....
I think You're underestimating how close the prosecutor is to losing this one. He has nothing prepared to ask the dopey "expert" and he lets the whole thing get derailed into debate that has no bearing on the charge.
@@xcrockery8080
To get shutdown on legal and jurisdictional issues by the legal "researcher" who fully believes that in order to represent a defender - one does NOT need a law license,
and who dedicated his entire academic career to studying 60-pages written in present-day English.
- That pros is an embarrassment to the State Bar of Michigan.
@@bosnbruce5837 To be fair - where I live, the clever graduates become defence lawyers....
Loved that judge who was on last night… “sir your ass in the chair,” judge.😂 I stayed up after seeing beginning. When are you sleeping? These are awesome…. Especially for those of us who wake at 2 or 3 am, can’t go back to sleep! Thanks!❤😂👍👏👏
All the objections.
This Judge is so patient.
The fact that people believe this stuff, just boggles my mind. Really speaks to poor education system in this country.
These people are like 70 years old in the first video. It has nothing to do with education system at this point they already forgot everything from that time lol. They were also in school when people think schools were good. I'm 40 and don't remember any the maths I learned in university so I doubt these guys who are well older remember anything from primary education.
@@kanaric I was speaking generally, regarding Sovereign Citizen pseudolegal nonsense.
It’s not the education system. It’s the ones that want to be different and come up with this crap. They want to disagree with what they were taught
Poor education system in part yes, but you also must consider intelligence level. That has to be the bottom line.
This one does a lot better than most. He’s actually calm and making legal arguments. Incorrect ones, but he at least knows how to play the game. Oh crap! They’re learning 😂
And the FIRST thing that the defendant says to his witness is: "Mr. Belfy." ROFLMAO
I instantly started thinking of bats for some reason.
@@AndImsomelady I was thinking "Bats in the Belfry." LOL
Me too@@davident1
I was waiting for the witness to correct the defendant on his name, like he did with the judge.
@@jillhughes3792Me too. LOL
Are sov cits increasing Or are they just getting around faster.
Meh I my theory is more people who were already going to be useless just use the SovCit thing for lack of any alternative. In other words the degeneracy is the same as it always was but they have another pointless defense to try.
The defendant’s posture represents his weakness in his case.
😂😂😂
The boating guy should’ve gotten a lawyer! If he actually has problems walking, he’d have a chance of winning with a decent attorney.
Won't the tribe provide him with an attorney ?
Mike Mike Mike miiiiiike!!! I lost my sip of coffee to "Keep Quiet Chief Running Mouth!" LOL.
This expert sounds like he had a little bit of fire water before the trial.😂
I want to see the one and I believe it’s Greenwood County with. I can’t remember her name were Jill, Gerard and Judge Webster. I believe it is supposed to have a person here from Texas for a hearing in person and he supposed to be here or have a warrant out for his arrest, I’m curious if he actually shows today
I just watched that 1 before I came to this video! 😆 oof, she was annoyed AF with him.
Mam, it's a 14hr+ drive if I leave now and I still might not make it.
Judge: You better not be driving here without a license 😂😂
Where’s his proof that he’s a member of any Indian tribe?
@@stephenmarcus7051 A #SovCit doesn't need to prove anything. You just gotta take their word for it. 😆🤣
Lol he was hilarious. He had until Wednesday for his trial, but caught himself a contempt charge and to report to the Sally port today
Too bad i missed the live. Im surprised this judge qualified this witness as an expert without more knowledge or CV.
Me too
I understand it he basically knew the facts and how he was going to rule so he wanted the guy to feel heard
Ho-Kay! I screwed up and learned something because of LTWM. For the first case I read the decree of 2007.
The Professor is correct. Indian members from one of the 5 tribes mentioned (or those hired by them or fishing for them) do NOT need their boat to be registered in the state if the boat is fishing in one of the mentioned waters.
But the fisherperson must have his boat registered by the tribe. He must also have a tribal permit and display it at all times. He must also conform to Michigan penal codes. If he violates a penal code outside of the Tribal exceptions, the State may prosecute.
Impaired operation of a vessel is a State crime not exempted by the decree.
Sooooo….he doesn’t need a state boat registration. He needs a tribal boat registration. He doesn’t need a state fishing permit, he needs a tribal one.
And if he violates the Tribal requirements, he may face a Tribal Court, with a prosecutor from that particular Tribe to which Mr SovvyCit belongs.
Sorry.
I couldn’t help it.
I learned!!!
Same. Did you figure out the location of the alleged offence?
Thank you, that's truly educational 😊
Conservation Officer Bourgeois strikes me as a very middle of the road fella, not the type to start a revolution.
1:08:00 SO SICK OF THIS SECTION 8 B.S. SHE HAS ZERO INCOME? SO TAXPAYERS PAY???NO WONDER THIS COUNTRY IS GOING BROKE!!!
the classic you can't arrest a drunk Indian defense because reasons....
When the good Doctor said, "I guess." He disqualified himself 🤣🤣🤣
Doctor.....he has a FJD degree: fictus juris doctor 😋
Officer Bourgeois?... he doesn't strike me as the owner of the means of production. 😆
@LTWM Mike you're the best! Thanks for everything especially that judge last night 😂
"Chief Running Mouth" 😂😂😂 I'm gonna steal this one.
Officer Bourgoire looks like he could be in a village people tribute band…in full uniform
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What makes you say that?
"shut up, Chief Running Mouth!" Hahaha!
If the "consent decree" prevents authorities from being able to protect the public from drunk people operating boats then it is a flawed decree indeed.
At one point you find out the Prosecutor has argued on the Consent Decree and misinterpreted what it says - so he's essentially participated in his case's derailment by this irrelevant document.
About expert witnesses; Back in the '80s I was popped for Marijuana Cultivation and I challenged the warrant. I was a Landscape Contractor with a Horticulture Degree. At the pre trial to suppress my attorney was questioning me, setting up my knowledge of plants, when the prosecutor, who apparently wanted to be anywhere else, dismissively waved his hand and and stipulated to my expertise in Horticulture. In a cultivation case! I was free to go twenty minutes later.
Now I get my weed online with free delivery.
And I'm almost 70, takes me a few minutes to put on flip flops.
After being on a boat and then back on land, I would be a little unbalanced too at my age as I'm almost 70 too!
@@JaneDoe-tr5xy Me too!...especially if I've knocked back a six pack whilst on the water...
@@xcrockery8080 If i drank a 6 pack, someone would have to carry me 😂
I don't think that there are any Sioux in that part of MI ! LOL
I need free went! Then move to the projects. Yep, it's called rent "can you believe that, they want me to pay rent!"🤣 The last dude, does anyone at LTWM think that he will be able to pay the $ 3,100+ by Feb 20th? I am a tad doubtful🤣
The funniest line of this was when Mike says…”Doctor??…Doctor Seuss” 🤣🤣 I laughed out loud🤣
the clerk looks like she has a nice bag of ganja next to her, she must have knew the sov cit was coming and brought enough for everyone. Such a sweet clerk.
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if i had a drink for every time he said american imdian studies 😂
Ya don't get to 'object' during the Judge's ruling! You can appeal the ruling but to keep arguing with the Judge is unacceptable.
@JaneDoe-tr5xy
And yet these Sovereign Citizens try this all the time!🙄😉😁
Ok, so the guy boating was just readjusting after getting his sea legs. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nah, not just an Attorney
He must be at least a Private Attorney General!
The police found that McCloud's boat registration had expired, but why would he need a registration for his boat in the first place if he were a member of the Sioux tribe? I thought Mr. McCloud's "expert" witness claimed that he didn't need to register his "vessel" in the first place because he was a member of an Indian tribe in the state of Michigan. Did Mr. McCloud only find out that he was a member of the Sioux tribe after he registrated his boat, and then after that he didn't renew his boat's registration anymore? I know that all this a moot point since Mr. McCloud was arrested first for DUI, and then latter for the
"expired" boat registration. I'm just curious. It should be a "doozy" of a jury trial.
I love how well this Judge handled this sovereign person.
“Treaty grift” indeed! Remember the Treaty of Peace & Friendship???
I think the Prosecutor kept quiet as a practical joke on the Judge.
Did he really argue that he wasn’t boating under the influence because he did his drinking outside of the boat?
In his mind, the cop didn't see him drinking until he was off the boat. So yea, that's his argument. Lol