BMW M2 CS on-road review. Worth the £23k premium over the M2 Competition?
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- The 2020 BMW M2 CS is the ultimate edition of the M2 Competition with lots of carbon parts to drop the weight down as much as possible and 450bhp, a jump of 50bhp over the regular M2 Competition. But all this comes at a price as it costs £23,000 more than the M2 Competition. Is it worth it? Find out here.
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The curb weights are such a great addition to these videos. Real world curb weights are not an easy piece of information to come by, even from manufacturers, so the fact that Harry has his own scales and weighs each car is massively valuable.
Harry's scales need a bit of calibration methinks.
@@Hypersonik Massive weight savings vs identical claimed weight as Competition = homologation reasons. It is not so easy as publish some number in the brochure these days...
@@Ariskot007 Harry had the Boxster GTS on there weighing 1285kg IIRC. No, just no.
Just take your car to a weigh bridge if that's possible in your country.
@@FalconXE302 They can be out by upto 100kg
Harry and Ian Tyrrell complete my weekend.
Yes they do
Well said, Sir.👍🏻
Yes agree!!!
Tyrrell has failed video skills and a tiring stuffiness about his whale like self to go with his good knowledge. Harry is like the perfect party guest.
Matts offroad recovery can be enjoyable also, nice scenery and good people
You seem to be the only one who cares about cars weight. Most enthusiast talk about power and features, but you focus on the most important spec, the weight.
Thanks for sharing
... and this is where the new G80 M3/M4 fails
nes suno I would say all new cars fail at weight. Maybe Mazda mx5 passes the weight test.
1400 kg+ with plenty of expensive carbon parts seems ridiculous to me. Only way to light drivers car is to go back in time. E30 can be modified fairly easily to under 1000kg. E30 don’t have all the bells and whistles of a modern car, but technology weigh a lot. Then again, 60s sports cars, like lotus Elan, make E30 look like an elephant.
@@tiitsaul9036 I agree, but with more regulatory requirements and people wanting more features... fat chance! Incidentally, the carbon here is all cosmetic except for the roof and very expensive carbon brakes option! The M2 CS Racing for track, does without the heavy dampers or carbon bonnet or carbon brakes. On the M2 Competition, you can spec both a carbon roof and bonnet so it's lighter if you give up on the CS option of carbon brakes (standard are steel).
As with all cars:
Do I need it? No.
Do I want it? Maybe.
Can I afford it? Hell, no!
But we should never stop dreaming
Harry, could you do a last dance with a Lotus Elise before it goes away ?
Certainly would rather have this than the new M4
I’d rather have chlamydia than the new M3/M4.
@@ACKWV I’ve got both, the carbon buckets are nice
I have, the Mrs likes the car
@@ProbablyJames Good luck with the clap mate. I thought you'd be driving company car from Merc, not BMW?
@@becauseiwasinverted7971 🤣🤣
The M2 is what the M3 used to be.
Great review, as ever.
I saw an m2 comp for the first time yesterday, I was sitting behind it in traffic. I couldn't believe how wide it was and the overall size, especially being a 2 door and 2 series. It seems an ideal size car for what it is.
It’s a car that looks perfectly sized in person.
The thing I like about Harry driving a manual car is his smooth quick gear changes opposed to other UA-cam ‘road testers’ who snap and jerk the change, they haven’t got the idea of yaw and balanced drive..
They don't want to admit the massive weight difference between this and the very heavy NEW M3M4
I weighed my original manual M2 which came with forged wheels as std at 1445Kg with half a tank of fuel .... I know it's not as powerful and it's not a proper M car blah blah ..... just saying! :)
@@ianmichaelbryant2643 bro the OG M2 with the N55 engine is the best M2 and bmw ever made.. i love the look of the OG M2 in long Beach blue or just black
Tbf this is a CS and a class down. Also what is the true weight of both?
Germans are learning what Americans learned in the 50s. Grilles and Chrome is heavy AF
@@Fiwek23452 The best bmw ever made? Reachin..
2x HG videos and a Tyrell's Workshop. What a weekend
It’s what my mum would call “a bit dear.”
And Nick your mum is nearly always right my late Mum was .
HAAA...excellent mate. Mine too.
Show her the value of M3 CSLs today Vs a standard M3 and I'm sure she'll change her tune.
"A bloody rip off!"
Yes dear
Must say, I've been quite concerned about BMW's brand direction in recent times, as have many other enthusiasts. This video makes me feel much more confident that they are still building some fantastic driver focussed cars. Great work Harry!
The people that know how to do it are still there, they’re just only allowed to build 1000-2000 cars of each platform :/
2 vids in 2 days wow I’m impressed
Yes, I'll watch the Silverstone auctions one later.
Compared to new m3/4 this looks so much better. Besides e46csl best looking post 2000 bmw
2001 m5????? F80 m3????? E60 m5??????? Okay that last one is love hate relationship.
Kinda agree but I’m a big fan of the e92
Would most agree though the 1M still edges it for me. Side by side in the metal the 1M is just so much more butch
@@followthegrow108 I expressed my opinion using hundreds of exclamation marks won't change it. If you like those cars better I respect that I personally don't...
Wonderful, another Harry's Garage video. Simply the greatest way to top off a relaxing Sunday afternoon.
Not much of a BMW fan but always a pleasure watching and listening to Mr Metcalfe.
UA-cam saved the best till last...
Everyone else posted their reviews of this car a while ago, but HM is always worth the wait.
Burford to Little Rissington....some of my favorite roads...enjoy Harry and keep posted great content
Must start using the A40 more for the final leg of my London to Malvern run. Tend to use A44 via Chippy...
Having driven this exact car, have to say it’s the best driving experience you could have. Love the CS.
@Harry just a small detail, the dashboard is analogue, not digital. It just has backlight numbers, and dials that make it look digital.
This is my dream daily driver.
I'll never be able to afford one, even at their lowest dip in price before they shoot back up as classics, but I'm glad BMW made them.
It's good to see that it still comes with a proper gearbox. The only new BMW I truly love.
And one of the only that still look great!
Eighty odd FRAZAND PARNED..... Anyhow, thank you Harry for this vid, lovely car and smashing to watch.
The regulations for the official car weight changed recently. The M2C was probably still under the old regulations. For example it's no longer allowed to state the weight of the lightest possible version of a car. That might explain why the number for the CS with all the lighter components is around the same as the M2C in it's very lightest version back in the day.
It looks really stiff. The cameras shaking around all over the place. Brilliant video as always.
It is very stiff. Just made for track days :)
If it's like the F80/F82 in comfort it'll be absolutely fine for UK roads. My wife's non-adaptive M140i has a firmer suspension set up.
Had the pleasure of riding one and comfort mode is quite decent actually. Not an E class but it's alright.
I love that you include so many rolling shots of the car on these B roads!
Would imagine it is to save the need for any re certification / homologation.
Seems like a Porsche GTS or M2 Comp with $20k in quality modifications would be epic. Agree with Harry on this one.
Spot on review, and my thoughts exactly. Buy a pre-reg'd M2 comp (delivery mileage) which I have seen at under £43,000, give it to Litchfield and have a stage 1 tune and suspension upgrade and for under £50k you have got a beast of a machine saving £25k over the CS!!!!!!!!!.....
But then you don't have a CS
@@mitchellsteindler True, but £70,000+ is a lot of money, £47,000 (ish) is a lot easier to justify, and as Harry said if I was spending £70,000+ I'd have the 4.0L Cayman!
I have the humble N55 variant and as a serial car changer, I'm finding it hard to let go of it. Great small punchy package.
I also have the OG M2 and I also change my cars a little too often but I’m not letting this one go…👍
Totally crazy money for a 2 Series.
@R A Yea it is, by any sane measure. Ive bought a few M cars from new over the years, this is crazy money for a 2 series.
The review I have been waiting for, thanks Harry. I’ll keep my ‘17 OG M2 and spend the kids’ inheritance on the Cayman GTS 4.0.
Save some money and buy a 981 cayman S/GTS. Sound better, perfect amount of power for the UK (still too fast lets be honest), and barely depreciate
12 months ago, did you think you would be comparing an £80k M2 CS's Gearbox to one in a Yaris?..... no.... didn't think so haha. This M2 is a Beauty! I miss them roads, I was stationed at Brize Norton in the late 90's and often travelled up to the Midlands via the 'scenic' route.
Love the drive by shots, proves the exhaust noise is real and not computer generated !
Good to see you test a BMW car . Out on the road all you see is BM X this that and t’other . Very rare to see a 5 series now . Weird world
23k to begin with would be great
That's why I got a used 228i with M Sport and manual :D
Of course nowhere as fast but still perfect size and handles great
@@ThatRosco458 good choice mate, all the manual cars seem to be disappearing sadly
@@ThatRosco458 I nearly bought one a couple of years ago, it was a fantastic car but I couldn’t afford the insurance on it (I was 19 at the time) ended up getting a JCW Mini with the same engine
So funny you made this video, I saw an M3 CS for the first time ever yesterday in that Nardo Grey color and it was pretty cool to see. My passenger couldn't figure out why I was having a mini freakout. LOL
I can't figure it out either.
At least it has got a proper BMW grille!!
I'm 50 now and I suspect this would shatter my spine going over a manhole cover
I’m 53 and have the M2C and I find the ride fine.
@@paulcs2607 the M2 CS is harsher despite the electric dampers
@@nessuno5403 I did not know that.
Ahem, I'm afraid you simply must not refer to them as man hole covers old chap.
Terribly sexist or some such cobblers no,
They are apparently
Points of entry.
Although I've yet to meet any self respecting woman prepared to go into one .
As for the point of exit?
Well...
@@jonlyons1033 Piers M would love that
When Harry slammed the bonnet down, it nearly shattered my glasses.
Did he mention the lack of temperature gauge, the curse of BMW penny pinching. The light comes on and its too late, your screwed.
That's one thing a didn't like about my Mini cooper....didn't even have a sensible fuel gauge on it either.
I feel the cross over between M2 CS drivers and flowery shirt wearers will be limited to Harry and JayEmm.
Straightpipes?:)
Harry, you should do a MK8 Fiesta ST. That car is a masterpiece and the 3 cylinder engine is incredible
The M2 is quite possibly the only genuinely good looking car in BMW's current lineup.
Agree. It is a rather good taste design. Even the interior, I think it is the most functional.
£80k sounds kinda crazy to me. I’m guessing it has fake engine noises too?
EDIT: And putting a bunch of carbon fibre on a heavy car doesn’t make any sense to me. It’s still heavier than full steel cars from the 90s.
Yes but u had to buy lambo to get that kind of power in the 90s lol.. m5 was heavier and down on power 50hp:) m3 was similar weight and 130hp less.. and it got 2* on 90’ ncap lol..
What is stupid tho is electric seats and stuff like that combined with carbon..
Wish they offered the f80 m3 CS with a manual. That would be such a great spec as well
Fantastic video as always Harry, thank you.
Any chance you could make your review vids 30 minutes instead of the 20? I enjoy them that much. Plus you could put in an extra 1-2 ads. I hate ads but worth it for your content! Cheers
That chuckle at the 15:05 mark! Brilliant
All M2/3/4 variants had forged wheels from the factory. The standard wheels will be same weight as the optional gold wheels
Thanks for the great review as always, speedometer is actually still analog, it’s just got a darkened facia and illuminated needles
Certainly a very special machine, but a sensible spec Cayman GTS is £10k less and the one I'd go for....
My sentiments exactly.
The CS is special, yes, but not special enough at the price point.
And that Cayman is definitely the sweeter ride...
😎👍🏼
Why a GTS? A GT4 starts at £75k
Bmw are notorious for discount vs list
@@poursafaie would get 10% off normally but imagine they will stick to their guns on this car
@@poursafaie I'd agree with you normally, but the CS is bespoke and quite special so not sure if would apply here.
I think the M2 Competition is perfectly fine the way it is. With a manual box of course.
If you ever feel worthless or down, just remember there is someone out there who's job it is to install indicators on BMWs
The last beautiful Bimmer
Hardly beautiful. Less ugly I’d agree with
I feel for you. My Austin Maestro 1.6L (with optional sun roof) used to get stones stick in the callipers. Must be the same engineers amd designers.
Boy do I love the wheels and their colour. The best M car BMW makes by a mile.
You spoil us Harry! Two videos in as many days!
High-end cars are increasingly like high-end audio.
Massively diminishing returns, but some folks are just willing to pay.
Great car and review 👌
Making it 24k more expensive also makes it a bit of a collectors car over the years and will hold its value better.
Any factory M special always holds its value. This CS will always be an expensive car and only get more so when the final production numbers are well known and circulated. BMW M has a huge fan base and cars like this are special s for their biggest fans. E92 M3 GTS was 150 unit model and cost GT3 money when new. Currently it’s regarded as one of the best cars ever and will run a buyer just under 300k used which is double the MSRP. These CS cars are as close to factory CSL models and really are the best to show what a real M car is. As pair of light weight buckets to replace the heavy electric seats and this CS is a nobodies CSL car (100-180k lbs lighter than standard)
Standard M2 also have forged wheels! The CS front wheel is 1kg lighter then the standard one and the rear wheel is only 0.7kg lighter.
So overall the wheels make a difference of 3,4kg.
a BMW that is NOT ugly :D
The reason for the weight difference is WLTP. If the car is heavier on paper, the given fuel consumption appears to be "better" for the homologation-weight. It's the same with the Porsche Boxster GTS you weighed some time ago at ca. 1.200 kg.
I wonder if the guys at BMW would have preferred to call it M2 CSL?
If you call it CSL it would need to have a lower weight figure...
It's closer to a touring car than a souped up road car with fancy carbon fiber...
As usual, great review. A friend of mine has just bought the M2 comp. Can’t wait to get a drive in it. I don’t know if the CS is worth 25 k extra
I commented on previous video to ask you review the m2 cs and now you did! Thank you Mr Harry! Really enjoy it!
Love the cars bro, stay safe guys
Yep
The world’s gone mad 80 odd thousand for a two series BMW
U can get yours still for 25-30k lol, and 220d is faster than e30 m3 :)
Is that like saying a GT2 RS is just a beefed up base Carrera. Ok, dad
I would not do a thing to that car! Ok... I wouldn't do a thing to the exterior. I'd probably do a tune and a few other power mods, but he looks of that car are PERFECT! those wheels are AMAZING!
What a car. I want one some day, black and gold combination is perfection too on an M2.
Fantastic. M2 Comp for the win . That Harris guy would agree .
Harris owns a manual one
Except now that Harris guy went and bought a M2 CS after Harry’s review
I hope the car companies appreciate what you say in these videos
@Paul Fellows cheers pauly
Rumor has it the bmw engineer never experienced anything thick in his hands and loved the way a fatter wheel felt. 🤷🏻♂️
Thanks for saying about stone sticking near the brake and wheels of this car thanks for saving me
You’ve kept me sane working from home Harry and I’ve learned so much from your wide ranging expertise. The insights real world into specials I’ll never see let alone get inside is a privilege.
You have convinced me on EV and I’m awaiting the cyber truck.. when ever that hits the UK and which ever ratio is made available for our roads.
For £23k you can get a very nice spec 987.2 Cayman S or Boxster S with 3.4L proper flat six howl and razor shard steering with tons of feedback.
3:30....That right there is why I keep coming back to Harry’s Garage. It’s all well and good having X Horsepower and X 0-60 times, but what anyone with any proper interest wants to know is ‘is it really usable’? Great stuff!!
I think you’re spot on with your summary. You could build an M2 Comp into a CS for way less than buying a CS. I think that’s what I would do too.
U would also get much less when selling.
Look at modded e46 m3 vs csl prices😎
16:55 I think the discomfort is due to the betrayal from BMW to go HUGE grill, front wheel drive and electric in a few years time... Marketing knifing the enthusiasts in the back through the holes in the seats! 😁
I broke my back 20 years ago and (touch wood) no issues since, but I think this car would change that. And imagine having to worry about getting stones caught in your calipers!? Sounds like something Ian Dury might have worried about, but not your friggin' car!
I had the same issue with the seats in my M4. I couldn't put my finger on what exactly it was about them but they were so insanely uncomfortable. Even after nearly 2 years of owning it I still couldn't find a good position that made them comfortable for me and its one of many reasons I sold it
Fit thinner steering wheel save 1 kg. Replace the electric seats save 20 kgs. Remove the carbon mirror caps they only add weight.
Really great car channel Harry! A video from you on any of these would make me a very happy chap: 993 turbo, 959, Ford RS 200, EB110, original XJR, Lotus Carlton, Saab 900 turbo, Volvo 850 R, Celica GT-four
We M car owners love the chunky steering wheels. It must be an acquired taste.
They tricked u. :p
@@lukazupie7220 Lol !!
Harry likes this and so do I.
Maybe Harry could pin this.. but weight is given by BMW/Mini with full fluid levels plus 70kg driver - some models (X6 M) also seemingly (if memory serves!) give weight with two occupants; driver and passenger. My 2020 Cooper S 3dr* is 1156kg without fuel (44kg), coolant (6kg), screen wash fluid (2kg) OR passenger (70kg) for the on-book number of 1278kg or 2813lbs.
*no options picked - base car in "Classic" spec - options add extra weight.
£81k? For not much more you can have a 2014/15 991 GT3, which will be just as thrilling to drive if not better.
Just another 15-20k more 🤣
Hey Harry! Do some reviews on pocket rockets like the Fiesta ST! Congratulations on the great content.
Still convinced BWW have forgotten how to do suspension post the E39/E46 era, must have retired. Another pogo stick. Got rid of mine and getting the GTS mentioned.
Always love a new Harry video....Alcantara steering wheel is dumb...in months it will be filthy with body oils, grime and surface wear. Leather dash a big mistake for cracking, shrinking and warping - yet people order both of them...go figure!
Great video Harry!
I wonder, considering how much weight was saved in this car, it might have been more collectible had it been called M2 CSL.
A better runout tribute for the great classic BMW configuration. Hopefully not the last of its kind.
Nice and simple controls , all you need
Awesome review. Covered everything. Love the car exceept the calipers and the cost on the road
Fantastic review ‘H’. Why would anyone pay £23,000 more to have the CS over the M2 competition. Makes no sense.
The M2 is the best modern drivers- car- BMW out there. These will hold their value well and are fun machines while doing so.
Worth the .... ? Yes, at least for BMW shareholders.
Great video Harry! Keep them coming
Such an elegant review. You the man!
youtube recommend me this channel and i love it
Excellent review Harry, nice to watch a video from a reviewer who doesn't have an opinion that's influenced by a close relationship with a manufacturer or dealership. BMW priced this car extremely high, it is in many ways a manual F80 M3/F82 M4. Carbon roof, adaptive suspension, same engine, seats, gearbox and a suspension set up that's similar to the competition models. You also get a carbon fibre propshaft and no GPF filter. Find a manual M3/M4 Competition and they are far fewer in numbers than the M2CS, you'll also have £40K left overt o spend on a Porsche!
I am astounded by how cold this car leaves me. I should like it but I do not, without even being able to explain my opinion.
Maybe it’s the chavvy gold wheels
It's not exactly practical, quite dated inside. Doesn't look amazing outside. And very expensive.
@Underbird .. Shush..keep it quite but these people's money buying these expensive cars trickledown to fund factory racing .. just go to Le Man to see the shutters come up at stupid o'clock on race day :)
@@monkmodemalik8225
It certainly does not help, although I do like them on a WRX STI
@@TrueFilter
You are right, it's not the most practical nor beautiful car, despite it's possibilities. Being dated inside is not terrible, anything is better than touchscreens, I think. And the price... exactly not the price a car like this should cost.
I like the thick steering wheel, it's nice to use.
Thank God it still has seats or we would be charged an extra 20K
Would also ruin the "50/50" weight balance