BMW M5 CS on road review. Greatest M5 ever?
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- Опубліковано 2 кві 2022
- The BMW M5 CS is a limited run, lightweight version of the M5 Competition that costs nearly 50% more than the regular M5 but is it worth paying the extra? Find out here..
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"I've done a swap with a friend and he's left me that Bugatti Chiron Pur Sport for a couple of weeks to see what its like to live with - which is very kind of him"..... I clearly need new friends! 😄
Great video Harry!
Yeah I would like to have friends like that! 😀
So you can swap your Honda Civic for a Bugatti Chiron Pur Sport for a week?
I thought the same - mental 😂😂
@@brulaapgaapmeester8052 I have a na MX5 to swap with!
Abramovich trying to hide the Chiron's ownership from the authorities by having Harry drive around in it...
JK
Great review, Harry. BMW need to pluck whomever the lead was on this car and make him or her the top boss, particularly on the M cars. Just when I believed BMW was too far gone, they released the M5 CS. It’s hard to believe this is from the same marque that that makes the XM, iX, and some of the other abominations. This car is what BMW and M of old are supposed to be about: usable, daily performance, and unmatched dyanamics. Granted price is starkly different to the past. Big win for BMW, but we need more like it.
It's like a return to their traditions. Kind of pricey, but that is a lot of performance in a sport sedan.
Was too far gone?
Alfa for me any day of the week!
The pfk, are you gonna buy one?
@@zgpm7031 Oh if I have the money I would.
Interesting comparison between the three, although it's worth bearing in mind that the Alfa and Jaguar are a category down (i.e. they're M3-sized)
Interesting. Wonder what an M3 CS would/will be like.
Yes but then again, new 3-series is so big it might as well be 5-series. And this current 5-series is getting so big that it could be 7.
Good point. What the M5’s natural competitors now? I’ve lost track. Is there still a big fast AMG saloon?
@@professorcalculus5315 E63 AMG and RS6
So 'interesting', as in wrong.
Shows how good the Jag P8 is when you swap it for a Bugatti.
🤣🤣🤣 👍🏻👍🏻
Yes, made feel great! I am lucky to own a P8.
Good 'ol Tata.
The 5 series is hard to beat!
Even a 520D, is gorgeous to drive and reasonably quick!
The fact the range stretches to the (almost affordable) M5 is extraordinary.
( I guess an M550i at £65k is compelling value)
The only thing that spoils your press car Harry are the ugly British number plates.
The German ones look better!😂
All these "special editions"invariably make me think of that old Harry Enfield skit:Sir would like to pay 40K extra for 10 hp and embroided dashboard?No problem Sir,I saw you coming!
great review as ever though,yours I always watch,even if the car is not that interesting to me.
Halfway throught it, I really want to love this M5 but IMO it's got a bit of an identity crisis, and some weird ideas of ''weight saving'' on a 1900kg+ car such as deleting of the arm rest storage...how much does that really save vs the inconvenience caused?
IMO the greatest M5 was the E34 and E39. I love the engine of the E60, F10 was hugely capable...I just can't see this joining the list of greatest M5's. Love the seats though.
For the extra cost of this CS package, you could buy a new M5, E34 M5 and E39 M5....kinda a no brainer for me.
Well, IMO it's just for the show, a limited number to show off what they could do. I think not only does M5 have the identity crisis, but the entire BMW and M also have it too, and the CS models, just to save face for their not up to former glory products.
@@Jay-ww4ru yep, the identity crisis crept up with the first big grille on the 7 series and then the 4, and down we go
@@lolish1234 I think even before that, in terms of the driving experience. The new 7 and 4 are total disasters. Hope they could bounce back, at least the new M4 drives well.
Its a showoff car built for collectors/investors...got to have something special. Therefore, the drawbacks you mentioned dont really apply.
@@Jay-ww4ru Yep I totally agree.
2 for sale atm for 169k! Absolute madness. Honestly finding it hard to tell who these are built for, all the people that will actually use the car and love BMW cars are priced out. It's just going to sit in a garage and be resold constantly at low miles.
Thats what they price them like that for they don't want milage on them. BMW know they are so poorly made they need to keep the numbers down or the cat gets out the bag. M5 is now so unreliable it's criminal
@@fakevirus8828 that's not true at all. Just making things up. The E60 M5 had all kinds of problems. I will say BMW should be ashamed of the S85 and S65 engines. They were developed and manufactured from the start to only last so many miles. Even with regular maintenance, the engines won't last more than around 80k miles. Imo that isn't a well designed engine. Doesn't matter how exotic it is. A well engineered engine is designed to be high performing and long lasting. Idk how BMW can expect that to be ok.
Um - I think you meant to agree with him.
@@gobinduppal4429 Your way off base. My S65 was up to 164k miles + and was super strong. On original rod bears mind you. It’s all about who cares for the car and how/ how often it’s driven. Those engines thrive when daily driven and are two of the best engines ever made by BMW M (100% bespoke btw) or any premium manufacturer. The S65 is my favorite V8 of all time with its uncorked personality rivaling the big boy exotics any day of the week. Go back and give them another real world test and I believe your mind will do a proper 180.
What a strange world where to get the best dynamic M5 you have to give up things like interior storage and folding bench seats in the back. I understand they want the CS to be the most hardcore M5 out of the box but you should at least be able to option things like that back in, it's still a 5 series not a Caterham ffs.
Depriving the center arm rest of a much-needed storage bin underneath makes no sense in a 4,000 lb. sedan.
An M5 on Harry's garage, my life is complete
That ZF 8 speed gearbox is a masterpiece..
Very nice BMW. But I'll take a Guilia GTA instead..
it looks mad but isn't exactly that great to drive, according to sources :)
*very nice ZF. But to me their greatest achievement is the one on the Hellcat. Still boggles my mind how were they able to make such a strong gearbox & differential, cost effective enough for that 2 ton torque monster of a car.
I left the 5 series after decades and of ownership when it became based on the 7 series platform. From that moment on it lost its whole raison d’être. Now have a 335 MSport Active Hybrid which is the best BMW I have had since the E35 535D M Sport
Wait do you mean the E60 535D M Sport?
It's funny how I can watch Harry go on and on about fixing up a 40 or 50 year old Lancia or Jaguar and be fascinated and just not give a crap for this dull green German rich guy machine...
all that red in the cabin is very unsightly especially considering the green gold exterior. Not my favorite M5 I guess it's not just about raw performance figures but soul and for me the E34 and E39 have it.
Agreed on all counts, and particularly on the ghastly red interior -- surprising stylistic misfire
and road feel. The new BMWs just don't have it
Class act as always, Harry and Chris Harris are the 2 best motoring journos in the business.
Swap Harris with Catchpole
Lovely car .... and great editing work to the person keeping Harry under 60 MPH throughout the video. I salute you !
Project 8 isn't really on my radar or a benchmark of mine so it's always interesting to see Harry use it as one. His views on it make me interested in it much more than I'd ever have been without his input. It must be a beast.
Great review. About the Nurburgring lap time: it was a test conducted by Sport Auto magazine. Had it been set by a factory driver, like so many of the other times (for instance the P8’s time - which by the way is 7.23, not 7.18), the M5CS would typically be 5-10 sec faster than the now achieved time.
And the fact that it ran on Pirelli P Zero Corsa tyres instead of semi slick Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2s...like many other cars such as the GT63s and the M5's little brother BMW M4 AWD which actually BEAT the M5CS by 1 whole second!
So official BMW run + Michelin Cup 2s....I reckon it wouldn't beat its rivals..but absolutely blitz them by double digits
Up to a couple of decades ago the M5 offered a usable and useful performance uplift over the "cooking" 5 series, but now its a superb engineered solution to a question few if any are asking anymore, because the high end 5 series now have all ther performance and more than you can use, whilst being more subtle to look at and easier to live with. Which probably explains why they built less than half the number they planned.
Exactly why i got a M550i instead of an M5, much easier to live with overall lol
I've not driven the M5 but I have M3, and I preferred the 440i I drove to the M3.
It was gloriously smooth and no turbo.
Plenty quick enough
Less yobby
@@RichardEnglander the 440 i has a turbo aswell
@@honestyisthegucci ah does it? The ones I drove really didn't seem like it did... 🤷there was no lag it was maybe a 2018 car I drove, did a few hundred miles in it, lovely, very thirsty 😀
@@honestyisthegucci
I went to check
"BMW’s turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six, with 320 horsepower and 330 pound-feet of torque. The twin-scroll turbocharger kicks in early, allowing full torque to come on strong at 1,380 rpm"
That explains why I didn't notice.
Excellent work by BMW. Those 4 series are nicely balanced cars
Great review.
Always very educative, pure, and clean.
Wow! Good looking, fabulous power and handling. Great to see BMW still making cars like this.
No. These handle like a block of wood mate
Very nice review and authentic as all of them. I fully agree with you, the M5 is the swiss knive of the three and the best pick for most buyers but the Alfa and the P8 have more character in their own virtue
“Swiss knife” because it has a tool to remove small children from horses hooves?
@@helipeek2736 no... "Swiss army knife" because the first time you take it fishing it falls apart.
Love Alfa and Jag but I see the M5 ahead and its simply one class above...
A sunday with Harry and Iain. The best!
Thank you very much for this review Harry, I will certainly looking forward to it. I also am hopeful that you were going to do a head-to-head review of the P8 versus the CS. You did end up selling me on the P8 over the CS, by the way. Here in the US, the P8 was selling for basically the exact same price that the M5CS. Because all of the M5CS sold with a dealer markup. Jaguar’s smaller size is definitely a big advantage in my book
Anyone that pays that dealer markup or "market/price adjustment" is a Moron even for a car like this or anything. The dealers that do it should be punished by losing that car franchise too. Artificial market manipulation is against the law, but I know Porsche has been doing it with their crazy 911s for like forever.
Harry, when you are going like the clappers, quiet is good. And..when doing interstate work in the USA, a 1500 mile day with exhaust noise quaking your innards would possibly reduce the pleasure of the drive. My motto is " Go like the wind, sound like a shadow".
I agree but do like hearing when you step on it.
When you hear "M5" your expectation moves up a notch and it sounds like this one doesn't disappoint. I guess this could be the swan song M5 before BMW go 100% down the electric route? EV's can certainly deliver performance but I just wonder how the M badge will sit with battery power.
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Fantastic review Harry
Wow! 11:14. Ferocious acceleration! The M5 CS is such a snarling beast! Excellent video again!
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Hi Harry, could you do a review on the Maserati Quattroporte/ Ghibli Trofeo 2022. Probably the last of the classic super saloon cars with analog dials and a cracking V8.
Very nice Review Harry, love that spec!
I was passed on a country road by one of these big BMWs, recently and the thing I noticed about these Teutonic powerhouses is that, as they go past, they seem to say: 'move aside, get out of the way, coming through.' It's a bit off-putting, really. I think I'd prefer the big cat or the flashy Italian.
Lovely.
Compared to last weeks electro-van this one looks rather pretty. 😊👌
Even Edsels look pretty compared to that thing last week. I saw one in the flesh today and it didn't change my opinion.
Another wonderful video Harry. Thank you! Now for the Chiron
Great review Harry - seems you’ve started a trend with Green since your Jag Resto! 👍
This is the only current BMW i actually would want exactly in THIS spec well done Harry
It's an amazing car, and the colour is fab - deep green...love it.
Thanks for the video!
Thoroughly enjoyed this video 👍
F80 M3 CS review would be great to see. The CS models so far have been praised very highly.
Love the M5 CS. I'd have over the Alfa (depreciation) and the Project 8 (LHD only). Can't wait for the Chiron review!
Luv the Spinal Tap reference, “ turned up to 11.” You da man Harry👍
Great review as always. Currently at Pale Hall Hotel (making use of the EV charging) following your mention in a previous review 🙂
Love the look of these in that green with bronze accents, so smart
The only thing that wow’s me more than the performance/capability, is the fact that there are people who will own and daily drive this £145k car!
I think I heard you growl more loudly around one of those turns than the M5 CS engine did. You must have enjoyed it! Great review Harry.
I honestly can't see how it can be worth (regardless of resale price) £40'000 over the regular M5, seems the " I want/ need one" factor is something BMW built into the list price.
-just until you test them!
@@KRAEMERP2010 yeah then you realise how wooden they feel and they break down on you almost weekly. Ex m5 comp owner here, couldn't get rid of it quick enough, complete lightweight it would have problems every time I spanked it.
In 20 years the CS will be worth what it was bought for adjusted to inflation.
it's clearly much more special and is built in limited numbers which will make it a rare modern classic in less than 10 years. do you see it now? fact is, they're selling out, so.. :)
@@fakevirus8828 My God man, give it a rest. We get it. You had a lemon. Boo fucking hoo.
Great video,and review
Swapping the Jag for a Bugatti. That one gave me a good chuckle. My neighbor won't even let me borrow a wrench from him. That's what I love about this channel. Greetings from Germany ✌️
Great video and review Harry. Very pleased to say I'm one of the luck 26 owners of this beast of a car. Brands Hatch Grey though. Wifey doesn't like the front seats because of that carbon knee separator! I've wrapped a pair of microfibre cloths round each of the outside seat bolters and held them with cable ties. Looks strange yes but eventually, otherwise, they'll wear out with inevitable scuffing during the entry and departure malarky.
Congrats on being able to get hold of one, it's a mighty thing! Interesting you say yours is one of 26 in the UK, it was really hard to get true numbers for the M5 CS as BMW UK didn't /couldn't give any info away! The fact they did RHD & LHD versions surprised me but I guess that must be good news for you! 👏
For a £140000 car, that sort of DIY should not happen.
Sell it immediately. Ex m5 comp owner here, they are as robust as a fisher price chocolate watch. Give it any sort of hard time and you will get regular issues. Mine needed a new engine at 8k. Worst car I've ever owned bar none, worse than British Leyland build quality.
@@fakevirus8828 What did you upgrade to?
@@fakevirus8828 the CS and other limited M cars drive like they come from a different place. More changes then they say and always are shown as special cars years after. They always, hopefully CS too, there value much better as they really are small batch cars. Around 1000 total for M5 CS is a legit limited car for a manufacturer the size of BMW. They made more CGT and F40. The new 3.0 CSL. Is going to blow everyone away. Street M4 GT3
A good friend of mine in Cape Town bought the F10 M5 back in 2014 and modified BMW`s advertising slogan from "Sheer Driving Pleasure" to "Sheer Driving Terror"...that car was bonkers fast so I can only imagine what the newer generations are like to drive...
A really great review I think and fair to its rivals, even though they are both a class down vs the M5. I am sure M5 CS will gain value when looking at the prices.
But what I really love in this Video how Harry wears the Panerai (is it?) on the left arm and Apple Watch on the right. How backworldly was I to refuse to buy an Apple watch because I didn‘t want to swap it against my automatic. But Harry shows it - just wear both! I honestly never thought of that- stylish and modern at the same time - love it!
Pretty mega car, great review as always. I know they are quite different animals but I would personally have a B5.
Fantastic colour. Your right I thought especially being a V8 it would burble a bit more. Great vid again.
Fanchracing is a legend for leaving the pur sport with you
Nice and early on the power through your favourite bit. The car mags used to talk about Q Cars a few years ago. Not too showy, very capable. It’s a handsome car in a company that has lost its way,again, stylistically
That's a very good looking BMW, and it's been a while since many have said that!
Love the look of these things especially in the green. I'll put my lottery on this week and hope for the best.
I’d take a B5 Saloon/estate all day long. So much more versatile - and unless you are a seriously talented driver wanting to go balls out on the public highway, the CS will be no quicker. Alpina’s are better 95% of the time. And SO much cheaper. Horses for courses.
Indeed, although even the Alpina is so fast, you can't enjoy wringing it out and that's part of my issue with all these modern performance cars, they are so fast, that 99% of people do not have the skill to ever exploit them and you cannot safely do so on the road, at which point, for fun at least, many older models are far better bets, especially if you do things like modernise the brakes. They have steering that talks (where electric systems don't), the chassis talks, they don't have loads of electronic nannies you need to switch off and the performance is more than enough to allow you to dispatch slower cars easily and safely.
It's why I'll stick with my E46 coupe, even though it's the diesel, great chassis, good steering, good gearchange, looks beautiful compared to the modern ones and even sounds nice and not once, have I ever thought, you know what, I need more grunt.
Agreed. B5 Touring, and an M3 CRT from the change. The best sports saloon bar none.
Great video
great vid thanks for sharing
What more can you possibly want, than an M5 CS. Great review. Thanks.
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I'd love to have the same friends Harry has, the kind of friend that kindly lends you a Chiron Pur Sport... Great video btw!
such a beautiful car
Big fan for years Harry - a request that you might ignore because your insights data may tell you different. Can you test a few more classics. Apart from your own cars the last year has seen a drift towards more new metal. All your content is top quality tho, but I do like your reviews of classics.
Have to agree, a lot of this very new stuff leaves me a bit cold personally. Always enjoy getting Harrys' well qualified take on older cars I've often wondered about.
"Light bronze" that 10 years ago would have been called "oyster gold"...looks naff to my eyes but that is the nature of such things.
They’ll be bringing back hearing aid beige and varicose vein blue next.
I think it looks stunning. Pair that with the green and the amber DRLs and there isn't a better looking sedan.
Nice looking BMW! 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Sounds quite good from the outside under maximum acceleration.
Love the way your friend has borrowed your car whilst the petrol prices are high, hes got the timing right there haha!
What a stunning car!
Love the M5 CS, but the ultimate M5 for me remains a choice between the E28 or the E39.
An e28 with its M88 tuned to the M1 procar race spec of 470bhp would be a dream. An M5 CS would make a sick pair
I love it and I feel this will become a classic, but the price jump is too much to bear for alot.
For me the most impressive thing is the kerb weight. 1850kg is only fractionally heavier than an E39 M5, and this is a physically larger car with 4WD and a ton more performance.
This might be the last good combustion car BMW ever makes.
That Bugatti bombing this review has me really intrigued me for the future review ❤️
thanks harry , we know it takes time and a lot of effort to make these videos but please keep on with them ;;; also be careful of too many sunday lunches when trying to squeeze into those carbon seats ;;;
Thanks for another video Harry. A DCT doesn't have the refinement of the torque converter box, but it feels so much more sporty. However, the refinement suits the M5. My take on it is that they might have gone this route to accommodate both two and four wheel drive models with the same box. Perhaps ZF already had this in place where a DCT equivalent was not available or very expensive or had to be developed.
Great video. Would be lovely if you could get your hands on an E28 M5 for a road test.
Nice review!
The Alfa lap-time however wasn’t for the GTA, they never released any. 7.32 was for basemodel Quadrifoglio.
Exactly, my point too!
Great video. When's the Emira arriving? :)
Sunday evening treat
Great video as always Harry... uber M5... how about getting a Lotus Carlton in ??? the definite super saloon of by gone days...
***Great Review! When are you releasing your review on the BMW i4M50? Can’t wait to see that!***
Brilliant review as always Harry, but had you forgotten your "lapel" mic? Inside the car on your driveway it was difficult to hear you...
Very nice car ! the green suits it also ,its the Swiss army knife of cars really ! Reed brake calipers FANTASTIC TOO like a Range Rover sport autobiographic has !
Harry for all of us who returned their M5C's, wish you had one back to back with the CS..
great video Harr. Here in Australia I don't think this model is offered or available.
Harry - please do the Alfaholics GTA-R this summer! Would love to see an in-depth review and get your views after the previous standard GTV and Guilia Sprint GT videos.
I can't wait for the Chiron road review.
I wish Harry could test drive the new Cadillac Blackwings I think he'd really love them.
This engine in E39 M5 would be EPIC!
the Chiron quietly lurking in the background is epic
So pleasing to see that 182 trophy at the back, countering the beast
I just can’t get over the Chiron lurking in the back. I am so intrigued by it.
Second!!! Love these reviews!
A Project 8 for a Chiron Pur Sport... Harry would crush on that flipping traders show.
Been "enjoying" my E39 M5 along those roads for years, not sure I would sport an extra £120k to swap though...
Lucky boy. E39 M5 is just about the best car BMW ever built. I’ve had several M3s but never an M5.
@@JelloTypeR It's still really quite fast when fully lit. I find it so balanced, and at 170,000, remains rattle and shake free. Yellow stuff pads have really bought braking up to date and makes for a superb fast saloon, happy to cruise to Rome or Budapest...
You lucky bastard
I’m on my 3rd m5 which is an f10 tuned to 760bhp but for handling and sheer driving pleasure my e39 was a peach to own I loved every second of having it ….then px it for the e60 ….that’s another story lol 😂.
Keep the E39 - it is the finest M5.
Thank you Harry, brilliant video.
To be fair, the CS ring time was not a factory one and had a few mishaps during the race. The car is capable of a much quicker time.
Great video Harry. It makes me wonder how the original M5 e28 would compare. Which of those 2 great cars would be the Ultimate Driving Machine? Only one way to find out….
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Great video, just fyi CS stands for Competition Sport. 7:32 was a time of standard, 2015 Giulia QV not the GTA/m
Jaguar P8 is a very special car and it’s extremely fast but it’s Nurburgring ring time will be closer to the M5cs and Alfa GTAm if its gonna be tested by an independent magazine. I think the Nurburgring inserts on the headrests simply implies that the car has been developed on the ring it’s got a sort Jekyll and Hyde nature about it.
Great Video! Watching from the Bronx, N.Y.