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What about the fourth danger that Herbert warned of in the rest of the series... Bureaucracy? (Seriously, it got to the point where you just have to nod and go "Yes, Frank. We know you hate it. Can we please get on with it already?...")
A Captain of the Army delivered the news to the old lady. "your son is alive" he said, "He was injured in the leg, and it became infected and the General himself sucked the pus out of the wound. He is in stable condition and expected to make a complete recovery. He will be discharged and should be on his way home soon." The old woman burst out wailing and was inconsolable. The Captain was confused and asked her, "why are you crying old woman? I just gave you good news." "Last year the same thing happened to my husband and his action inspired such great loyalty and he was so grateful to the General that he insisted to stay in the army for one last battle to repay the kindness of the General. He then followed the General to his death. Now I fear my son will do the same."
Remember that when it's said that Paul Muad'Dib will lead the Fremen on a universal Jyhad, that it's a _Jyhad_ . A holy war. His ascension will usher in a bloodbath across the cosmos. Paul knows that. He knows it, and knows with despair that he can do nothing to stop it.
'cause he's built up a myth that becomes more important than the man or the message. The thing MUST take it's course. All that fervor and aggression built up by oppression of the Imperium, and their harsh existence on Arrakis, HAD to go somewhere. No single individual, no matter how respected, could control all that. Mob mentality is an ugly thing, but it's so commonplace in history. It's just wired into humanity. We are social. We want to belong to communities for safety and security, even ones that are dangerous to outsiders.
@@IffyJottere It's worse than that. The myth is older than him. The myth is what allowed the Fremen to trust him when he otherwise would have died to the desert or the Baron's men.
@@randommindz6782 I'm pretty late, but I hope you know that our boy is back into wrestling. For real, if ya haven't watched his debut in AEW, please go watch it. I promise you will love it. One love ❤️
@@GigawingsVideo So genuinely grateful for your question which, by prompting me to reflect upon "Dune"s considerable impact on my early adolescence, served to launch me on a most pleasant journey. It seems that no sooner had I put my present on "PAUSE", than I began drifting back into the warm-n-fuzzies floating about in that infinitely more carefree stretch of my life. Unfortunately, I accidentally posted my rose-tinted reply as a new comment instead of as a reply to your reply to my comment. Anyway... sorry, thanks and goodbye.
Its not that you missed stuff, Hebert just outright slips years at a time. Its weird. One day he meets Chani and then next chapter 2 years have gone by and he has a son. The ending battle. They explain all the details about the preparation of the battle and then slip the whole fucking battle. Like what? I would have rather read 500 more pages then a cop-out like that. Unless I somehow skipped hundreds of pages lol
@@yishaqdavid2029 nah, the thing is that showimg Paul's capabillity and charisma while preparing the battle is important, but the battle itself is not.
@@yishaqdavid2029 yes the battle itself is not relevant only its prelude and aftermath. if the battle was included would be just a distraction ,is not an action novel. plus you "miss" the battle but the fun is in the aftermath.
@@HBHaga Not just until their ready to expand, his constraint "Leto's Peace" causes dependence that, when his death creates a power vacuum, the whole of humanity is compelled to Scatter to find their own destiny.
@@Mordalon At first a lot of people think Leto II is a jerk for holding back everyone but I think it's supposed to make humanity mentally ready to be spacefarer and not under one emperor. I feel bad for Leto I though, he's just a nice guy and leader who's too nice for his own good.
He was defeated because he was afraid of being defeated. Or, beware of leaders who are persuaded because they hoard their power like spice. Also, he's seen as a God-King who is revealed to be a cowardly shrew who cares only for his power. The Sardaukar are a perfect example of this. They are his honor guard, yet he keeps them hidden and encourages their violent behaviors. The Fremen take them down because they are the underestimated unknown. Once they are known, the Emporer demands their eradication if my memory serves me.
Dune is my favourite non-religious book, I don't have words for how much I love it. I've read it and the two immediate sequels an obscene number of times. I wish the book club was happening at a time when I could take part because this series helped me find things in a book I can quote that I hadn't seen before. Thanks a million.
Here in Brazil we have a Vladimir as president. He got elected by the people through exactly the way you said how it's dangerous to us. People just never learn, I guess... Amazing video as always, guys.
I really hope y'all discuss A Canticle for Leibowitz. It played a very important role in creating the post-apocalyptic nuclear war genre, but still is an incredibly unique novel.
You know, it's at times like this, when I'm trapped on an alien spaceship with a man from Betelgeuse about to be sucked out to space for certain death that I really wish I would have listened to what my mother used to tell me.
You wont mention Shadam? That believe himself to be a great leader, master of the universe, and everything in it, but in reality he was a very incompetent one, that see enemies in everywhere and was had petty jealousy for anyone that dared to threaten his power, his downfall was underestimating the Fremen and the power of the spice.
Shadam sounds an awful like "Saddam" Hussein like the brutal dictator that ruled Iraq from 79 - 03. I realize that Frank Herbert's Dune is before that time in the 1960's thought.
I hope you guys cover roadside picnic at some point. Such an amazing book, able to tell a story and get it's point across in a third the length of most sci-fi.
In the fullness of time, probably a year at least, I REALLY hope we get to Terry Pratchett's Discworld. They were released from 1983 to 2015. It's a lot of material to cover, even with just the novels, but it's sooo worth it.
what a great way to end this season using this books warnings about charismatic leaders in a time in history where they are actually making a come back and leading people down the same dangerous paths pointed out in the book man you EC guys are good!
Coincidentally for me, I'd just been following a podcast about Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos. There was a lot of charismatic leadership there, particularly in how she gathered backers, investors, and top talent to work with her.
Every generation there comes a person who questions the status quo, and in the end they change the world with their views. Sometimes big changes, sometimes small. Either way, Herbert changed things. Thank you Frank Herbert.
Let be honest, Herbert didnt question the status quo enough, he hated toxic charisma but say nothing about toxic policies, that was pretty centrist to me, and seeing that in real life he was pretty homophobic to the point of alienating one of his sons for it, Herbert is the last person that you want to call champion of liberty and fighter of the status quo.
Looking forward to the next season. And, if you're going to talk dystopias, you'd better talk about the big 3: Brave New World, Nineteen Eighty-Four and Fahrenheit 451.
Thank you for this interesting series. I love the book & even David Lynch’s movie version. Let’s not forget that the 80s rock band Toto created an outstanding soundtrack too.
They're kind of important within the book. That topic doesn't really matter outside of the book, though. It's one of the tools used within the book to create the conflict and setting; it has little relevance to the real world.
In the book, the Emperor was able to put the Harkonnens on a short leash by letting them give in to their desire to destroy Atradies, bankrupting them.
You brought up 3 warning but no mention of the dangers of stagnation in a civilization ...avoiding that is basically the driving force behind many of the characters through the series
Jeez, it’s as if the Founders of the US Constitution recognized the fallibility of both man and ideology and attempted to set up a system of government designed to mitigate the inherent weaknesses of both Man and religion/philosophy... I mean, it will be great if we just get the right combination of leadership and philosophy, right? RIGHT?
Actually they created a system that only a rich landowner white men like them could rule the U. S. You think that the U. S. fought the British Empire for "freedom" and "liberty"? No, they fought for the freedom and liberty of the colonial oligarchy to not pay taxes at all, even that by them they were really water-down, so they made poor people and slaves fight a pointless and bloody war so they could get more rich, and have a country to rule, meanwhile poor people become more poor, and slaves continue to be slaves.
War: Time for the apocalypse! Am I ready for the apocalypse? Mrs. War: Yes, dear. Your horse is saddled, your sword is sharpend, and you've had your pills.
Watching this makes me grateful for John the First of England. John the First by being a monster without the charisma to pull it off provoked the creation of the Magna Carta. If John the First had been brilliant, charismatic, powerful, or successful, England might have staid in the quagmire of absolute monarchy and the dissemination of power that has allowed for the creation of the United Kingdom might never have begun.
40k got the God-Emperor idea from Dune originally, specifically Leto II. 40k also (at least back in the day) lifted some other elements from that series too (Such as the navigators) and some other bits and pieces.
Don't forget that they took bits from Moorcock as well, seeing as how they straight up just took Moorcock's Chaos to use as a faction right down to the eight pointed star they use, that the Dark Elves/Eldar are just straight up the Melniboneans, and the fact that the Golden Throne is basically the Globe Throne from Moorcock's History of the Runestaff(which the BBC is doing an adaptation of BTW).
I had not heard of Chinese science fiction before just now. I am now intrigued, for if it is anywhere near as good as Journey to the West, then I could probably binge-watch extra credits episodes on this topic for years.
I was curious about "The Three Body Problem" so I read a summary of it and the sequels. It seems to me that the science part is awesome but the story/moral aspect is some of the most cynical take on interactions with other species I have ever heard of. I have to read the books but from the excerpts they look to be kinda depressing (require the right mood)
Muad'dib' has always been the one for me. "The hands move, the lips move -- Ideas gush from his words, And his eyes devour! He is an island of Selfdom". --description from 'A Manual of Muad'Dib' by the Princess Irulan.
I always thought that Baron Harkonnen was a representation of vanity and decadence, the kind of politician who's really a vile creep and is only in the role of leadership to fund his own desires rather than to help the people. Of course, it is impressive how smart and manipulative he is compared to other characters within the same "decadent ruler" trope.
"Be very careful of surrendering your decision-making power to a charismatic leader." Far from being fantasy, the moral of Dune is painfully relevant to real life. "For example," Herbert said, "the most dangerous president that we've had in recent years was Jack Kennedy, not becausethe guy was evil, but because people didn't question him." "A Conversation with Frank Herbert"; Columbia Daily Spectator, 24 September 1982 Edit: Formatting
And we should question Herbert also. He wasn't the champion for democracy and liberty as people portray him, he was very homophobic, so much that he alienate one of his own sons because of it, as much he preaches about toxic charisma, says nothing about toxic policies, he is pretty aligned with Ray Bradbury.
I love how Herbert tells lessons in a sci-fi world storyline. It techs the lessons in a interesting way,it doesn’t have to be in a sci-fi world,any world that cleverly shows why something needs to change is great.
The charasmatic leader who panders to people and encourages their vices, making them think bad behavior is normal. Hmmm, where I have seen this before?
A true masterpiece. Why is the first album/film/book the best one? Because their entire life experience has been drawn upon to create that art, that initial expression of their vision and duplicating the feat in one year is difficult. The first one took their whole life up till then, now to do a second one in a year or two? it can be done but, it's not going to be as good.
There’s a bit more to it than just that. The vid seems to mischaracterize 2 of the 3 leaders. Leto for one understands that Dune being granted is a trap or at least some sort of monkey paw styled gift hence why his policies to make him look good are done. It’s very much understanding and trying to play the game of politics and staying one step ahead of The emperor and the harkonens. He is living in his fathers shadow but there’s way more to Leto than just inadequacy. Paul’s issue is that he understands he needs to play the people of dune to his tune in a self fulfilling prophecy made by his mother’s order of space witches. He can’t tell how to get out not because there is no way out. It’s that there’s no way out that isn’t solvent. That is the issue with this critique. It mistakes populism for the tool rather than the product. It’s also ignoring the concept of prophecy and chess game nature of the plot of dune that these ppl are forced into roles they may or may not want to do but are forced by circumstance. This is a weak take on a seminal work.
I love how much Zoey has been woven into the series. I for one welcome our new kitty overlords... Wait, wasn't this episode about not falling for charisma? Shoot. XP
GigawingsVideo," back when I was 13, my opinion of "Dune" owed little (read: zilch) to an appreciation for Herbert's artful delivery of a timely cautionary tale - instead, I was just a kid who was blown away by a super-cool action story - one that fueled countless hours of adventure among the sprawling expanse of dunes separating our rented cottage from the shore of Lake Huron's Georgian Bay. Many a summer's eve saw valiant Fremen crawling stealthily along the strand, on their silent quest for a hidden cache of Spice (a.k.a. packs of "Lik-a-made" powdered candy), ever-alert for noise-guided hands or feet of the blind-folded Sandworms, whose ears were pricked for the slightest sound which would launch them blindly rolling towards the source, arms and legs flailing madly about in hopes of scoring the slightest touch - spelling instant death for that unlucky Freman. The fatal touch of the Sandworms could only be evaded while crawling, UNLESS in desperation, a Freman called out, "STANDING UP!", allowing them all to now stand and run freely about in a frantic spice search. After a 3 second countdown, all Sandworms, now fully-lethal thanks to the vibrations from Freman feet, remove blindfolds, jump to their feet and set about decimating the ranks of the searchers. Because Sandworms could not be killed, the Freman death rate progressed geometrically meaning without a lucky quick spice find, very soon ALL worms would be after one Freman. So... Sandworms ruled!
For eutopias and dystopias and the end I can recommend checking out songs of distant Earth by Arthur C Clarke. It's an interesting book which touches on them without falling into the trap of being pure eutopia or dystopia.
I think in Paul's case it was more about warnings about the dangers of religious zealotry and prophecy than charismatic leadership, but i get you were going for a theme
Ummmmm... I cannot believe this, but I currently have a secondhand copy of dune in my possession! 💃🏼 I think my dad bought it from our library’s bookstore, which means it’s ours. 😄
Yueh almost got what was really motivating him, and the Baron never saw through it. The flaw in his plan being that Leto was too dazed to execute his part properly.
Semuta = a halluzinogenic Drug activated by Music Sapho Juice = a Neuro Stimulant used by Mentats to double or triple their already immense processing power.
The last part is what got me to read dune, and is the best summary of it. It is about a boy falling victim to destiny anf trying to do his best. It is about consequences.
You forgot the Bene Gesserit. The ones who created the myth behind the coming freman savior/profit Muad'dib. They seeded the legend a 1000 years before Muad'dib and proceeded to use selective breading in order to make a super being they could control who would be Muad'dib. Many times its the power behind the throne that should be most feared.
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Yay! Another video!
Love the callout on Magneto!
What about the fourth danger that Herbert warned of in the rest of the series... Bureaucracy? (Seriously, it got to the point where you just have to nod and go "Yes, Frank. We know you hate it. Can we please get on with it already?...")
Thanks. In another video you mentioned that the author's concern and book''s theme was humans affect on the environment.
Do you guys have maybey a discord or are thinking of making one I think it would be really interesting.
A Captain of the Army delivered the news to the old lady. "your son is alive" he said, "He was injured in the leg, and it became infected and the General himself sucked the pus out of the wound. He is in stable condition and expected to make a complete recovery. He will be discharged and should be on his way home soon."
The old woman burst out wailing and was inconsolable. The Captain was confused and asked her, "why are you crying old woman? I just gave you good news."
"Last year the same thing happened to my husband and his action inspired such great loyalty and he was so grateful to the General that he insisted to stay in the army for one last battle to repay the kindness of the General. He then followed the General to his death. Now I fear my son will do the same."
Remember that when it's said that Paul Muad'Dib will lead the Fremen on a universal Jyhad, that it's a _Jyhad_ . A holy war. His ascension will usher in a bloodbath across the cosmos.
Paul knows that. He knows it, and knows with despair that he can do nothing to stop it.
'cause he's built up a myth that becomes more important than the man or the message. The thing MUST take it's course. All that fervor and aggression built up by oppression of the Imperium, and their harsh existence on Arrakis, HAD to go somewhere. No single individual, no matter how respected, could control all that. Mob mentality is an ugly thing, but it's so commonplace in history. It's just wired into humanity. We are social. We want to belong to communities for safety and security, even ones that are dangerous to outsiders.
@@IffyJottere It's worse than that. The myth is older than him. The myth is what allowed the Fremen to trust him when he otherwise would have died to the desert or the Baron's men.
Spell jihad right
@@zoomerjack5435 No
@@zoomerjack5435 You’d need arabic.
Bless the Maker and his water. Bless the coming and going of him. May his passage cleanse the world. May he keep the world for his people.
🐍 thanks
As Liet taught us.
Bi-Lal Kaifa!
Just don't let it pass over you and through you. You'll never win that one
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Cue "Cult of Personality".
Look in my eyes, what do you see?
@@seatspud the cult of personality
"I exploit yoouuu, still you love meee. Tell you one and one make three!
CM PUNK!
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@@randommindz6782 I'm pretty late, but I hope you know that our boy is back into wrestling.
For real, if ya haven't watched his debut in AEW, please go watch it. I promise you will love it.
One love ❤️
Wow - I think I must've missed more than just a FEW things when reading "Dune" way back at the age of 13.
What's your 13 yo opinion of Dune then?
@@GigawingsVideo So genuinely grateful for your question which, by prompting me to reflect upon "Dune"s considerable impact on my early adolescence, served to launch me on a most pleasant journey. It seems that no sooner had I put my present on "PAUSE", than I began drifting back into the warm-n-fuzzies floating about in that infinitely more carefree stretch of my life. Unfortunately, I accidentally posted my rose-tinted reply as a new comment instead of as a reply to your reply to my comment. Anyway... sorry, thanks and goodbye.
Its not that you missed stuff, Hebert just outright slips years at a time. Its weird. One day he meets Chani and then next chapter 2 years have gone by and he has a son. The ending battle. They explain all the details about the preparation of the battle and then slip the whole fucking battle. Like what? I would have rather read 500 more pages then a cop-out like that. Unless I somehow skipped hundreds of pages lol
@@yishaqdavid2029 nah, the thing is that showimg Paul's capabillity and charisma while preparing the battle is important, but the battle itself is not.
@@yishaqdavid2029 yes the battle itself is not relevant only its prelude and aftermath. if the battle was included would be just a distraction ,is not an action novel. plus you "miss" the battle but the fun is in the aftermath.
And Leto II is the pinnacle of the dangerous leader, and makes himself that on purpose for the good of the future of Humanity. The Golden Path.
Pretty much. He becomes a societal and even evolutionary stressor, constraining humanity until they're ready to expand again.
@@HBHaga Not just until their ready to expand, his constraint "Leto's Peace" causes dependence that, when his death creates a power vacuum, the whole of humanity is compelled to Scatter to find their own destiny.
@@Mordalon At first a lot of people think Leto II is a jerk for holding back everyone but I think it's supposed to make humanity mentally ready to be spacefarer and not under one emperor. I feel bad for Leto I though, he's just a nice guy and leader who's too nice for his own good.
The Emperor would be a great case study as well.
He was defeated because he was afraid of being defeated. Or, beware of leaders who are persuaded because they hoard their power like spice. Also, he's seen as a God-King who is revealed to be a cowardly shrew who cares only for his power. The Sardaukar are a perfect example of this. They are his honor guard, yet he keeps them hidden and encourages their violent behaviors. The Fremen take them down because they are the underestimated unknown. Once they are known, the Emporer demands their eradication if my memory serves me.
@@scarredchild are you referring to the golden path or golden throne god emperor
@@sarnxero2628 They were probably referring to Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV, what with mentioning the Sardaukar.
@@Sovairu I think you are correct.
Yea like that
Dune is my favourite non-religious book, I don't have words for how much I love it. I've read it and the two immediate sequels an obscene number of times. I wish the book club was happening at a time when I could take part because this series helped me find things in a book I can quote that I hadn't seen before. Thanks a million.
Here in Brazil we have a Vladimir as president. He got elected by the people through exactly the way you said how it's dangerous to us. People just never learn, I guess...
Amazing video as always, guys.
How is Bolsonaro can be like Vlad, but doesn't make him Vlad.
No, it's Russia that has a Vladimir as President. In more ways than one.
I really hope y'all discuss A Canticle for Leibowitz. It played a very important role in creating the post-apocalyptic nuclear war genre, but still is an incredibly unique novel.
I started reading Dune right before you guys started this series and I'm just happy with the way this coincidence turned out
Kynes about leto: "A man like this could command fanatic loyalty"
the end of the world? I sense several large, ominous spaceships, hanging in the air in exactly the way bricks don't.
It'll all have to go.
I'm afraid I can't see them, I've got my Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses
on.
You know, it's at times like this, when I'm trapped on an alien spaceship with a man from Betelgeuse about to be sucked out to space for certain death that I really wish I would have listened to what my mother used to tell me.
What did your mother tell you?
@@freemanaccount5146
I don't know, I didn't listen...
You wont mention Shadam? That believe himself to be a great leader, master of the universe, and everything in it, but in reality he was a very incompetent one, that see enemies in everywhere and was had petty jealousy for anyone that dared to threaten his power, his downfall was underestimating the Fremen and the power of the spice.
Shadam sounds an awful like "Saddam" Hussein like the brutal dictator that ruled Iraq from 79 - 03. I realize that Frank Herbert's Dune is before that time in the 1960's thought.
I hope you guys cover roadside picnic at some point. Such an amazing book, able to tell a story and get it's point across in a third the length of most sci-fi.
In the fullness of time, probably a year at least, I REALLY hope we get to Terry Pratchett's Discworld. They were released from 1983 to 2015. It's a lot of material to cover, even with just the novels, but it's sooo worth it.
The idea of impeccable Luck is Beautiful.
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Just now finding this series. These are really excellent.
The art on this series has been superb, can talk enough about how much I enjoyed watching.
I've got to say, this artwork has become amazing. I'm actually watching it as much for the images as for the dialogue.
OK, so it's by a guy named David Hueso...
This series has been fantastic, thank you for making this.
The spice must flow!
He has called a big one!
Oh and war, War never changes.
But men and women do, through the path they walk.
In the far future there is only war
But war has changed. ID tagged soldiers carry id tagged blahblah blahblah blah blah blah blah.... Gedal Mears?!
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent
@@merrittanimation7721 pacifism only exists where violence protects it.
I bought the audiobook three nights ago because of the first video you did on Dune. Loving it so far, do recommend
This feels more relevant today than ever before...
what a great way to end this season using this books warnings about charismatic leaders in a time in history where they are actually making a come back and leading people down the same dangerous paths pointed out in the book man you EC guys are good!
Coincidentally for me, I'd just been following a podcast about Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos. There was a lot of charismatic leadership there, particularly in how she gathered backers, investors, and top talent to work with her.
Every generation there comes a person who questions the status quo, and in the end they change the world with their views. Sometimes big changes, sometimes small. Either way, Herbert changed things. Thank you Frank Herbert.
Let be honest, Herbert didnt question the status quo enough, he hated toxic charisma but say nothing about toxic policies, that was pretty centrist to me, and seeing that in real life he was pretty homophobic to the point of alienating one of his sons for it, Herbert is the last person that you want to call champion of liberty and fighter of the status quo.
Hey guys I'd just like to say these vids are always a highpoint in my day, the animation, narrator and subjects are always great!
Perfect way to end off the season. Can't wait to hear about the apocalypse next season!
That is a perspective that I never heard before. New insight. Very refreshing.
That moment you sit through all the ads to support a channel you love! Loving the Dune videos! Dune is one of my favorite Sci-Fi novels!
Looking forward to the next season.
And, if you're going to talk dystopias, you'd better talk about the big 3:
Brave New World, Nineteen Eighty-Four and Fahrenheit 451.
This is really good timing bc i finished the rest of the dune stuff yesterday
Thank you for this interesting series. I love the book & even David Lynch’s movie version. Let’s not forget that the 80s rock band Toto created an outstanding soundtrack too.
Damn, this scarily reflects our society today.
Cool a book club talking about Dune
*looks at the time*
that was three ...hours ago....oh man !
Thanks for the video anyway.
I love Dune and your analysis of it. Thanks.
Well made! I really liked this series but this one was my favorite!
I was hoping for a full video about the dangers of prophecy and prescience.
They're kind of important within the book. That topic doesn't really matter outside of the book, though. It's one of the tools used within the book to create the conflict and setting; it has little relevance to the real world.
As did Leto II.
@@varana what
You don't wanna know.
I'd love to see a LOTR style production of Dune. It could really work well
If you can find it, check out the Sci-fi channel mini-series. Closest adaption we have received so far.
Ned White it's coming, man. Dennis Villeneuve is coming
Coming out next week on October 22nd!
Please look into “A Canticle for Leibowitz”! It’s a fantastic sci-fi classic with some amazing themes and beautiful story telling
In the book, the Emperor was able to put the Harkonnens on a short leash by letting them give in to their desire to destroy Atradies, bankrupting them.
The end is fine, as long as Extra SciFi doesn't end!
You brought up 3 warning but no mention of the dangers of stagnation in a civilization ...avoiding that is basically the driving force behind many of the characters through the series
Great series! I'd love to see you guys try to tackle Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker books!
Jeez, it’s as if the Founders of the US Constitution recognized the fallibility of both man and ideology and attempted to set up a system of government designed to mitigate the inherent weaknesses of both Man and religion/philosophy... I mean, it will be great if we just get the right combination of leadership and philosophy, right? RIGHT?
Actually they created a system that only a rich landowner white men like them could rule the U. S. You think that the U. S. fought the British Empire for "freedom" and "liberty"? No, they fought for the freedom and liberty of the colonial oligarchy to not pay taxes at all, even that by them they were really water-down, so they made poor people and slaves fight a pointless and bloody war so they could get more rich, and have a country to rule, meanwhile poor people become more poor, and slaves continue to be slaves.
There's a ship called USS Constitution?
@@TheKeyser94 BASED
Oh, man! So excited for the apocalypse episode!
I'm loving this series!
A cool stream today at 5!? Awesome!
Looks at clock...
Oh, well I guess I'll see you in a week.
Needed: a series like this on Station Eleven
0:03 *_Introducing the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse_*
:D exactly! And their ruler!!
Methos is somewhere out there scheming
War: Time for the apocalypse! Am I ready for the apocalypse?
Mrs. War: Yes, dear. Your horse is saddled, your sword is sharpend, and you've had your pills.
Watching this makes me grateful for John the First of England. John the First by being a monster without the charisma to pull it off provoked the creation of the Magna Carta. If John the First had been brilliant, charismatic, powerful, or successful, England might have staid in the quagmire of absolute monarchy and the dissemination of power that has allowed for the creation of the United Kingdom might never have begun.
I love everything thing you do, just keep doing it!
I'm just waiting until we talk about Warhammer 40k and the concept of the God-Emperor.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_emperor
40k got the God-Emperor idea from Dune originally, specifically Leto II. 40k also (at least back in the day) lifted some other elements from that series too (Such as the navigators) and some other bits and pieces.
Exactly my point.
Don't forget that they took bits from Moorcock as well, seeing as how they straight up just took Moorcock's Chaos to use as a faction right down to the eight pointed star they use, that the Dark Elves/Eldar are just straight up the Melniboneans, and the fact that the Golden Throne is basically the Globe Throne from Moorcock's History of the Runestaff(which the BBC is doing an adaptation of BTW).
Away with you and your false corpse emperor.
AWE MAN! Can't wait for the next season!
Can you make some videos on Chinese science fiction? i.e., The Three Body Problem, Paper Menagerie, Invisible Planets, etc.
I had not heard of Chinese science fiction before just now. I am now intrigued, for if it is anywhere near as good as Journey to the West, then I could probably binge-watch extra credits episodes on this topic for years.
I can't, actually. I don't really know how to use video-editing software. Like, at all.
It would be interesting to see a video about that.
I was curious about "The Three Body Problem" so I read a summary of it and the sequels. It seems to me that the science part is awesome but the story/moral aspect is some of the most cynical take on interactions with other species I have ever heard of. I have to read the books but from the excerpts they look to be kinda depressing (require the right mood)
three body problem is a really good book/ series!
@extra credits Please continue this series for the rest of Frank’s Dune series
I just watched the movie last week and after watching this series am surely gonna read the book now
Would have been interesting to see an analysis of the Worm God Leto II
This is a great video and it is somewhat disturbing how relevant this topic is for today's era.
A terrible purpose... perfectly referenced
Muad'dib' has always been the one for me.
"The hands move, the lips move -- Ideas gush from his words, And his eyes devour! He is an island of Selfdom". --description from 'A Manual of Muad'Dib' by the Princess Irulan.
A very appropriate focus for a very "interesting" time.
The artwork is awesome!
Imagine if these guys did the Horus heresy, even if they just did the basic read through.
With this episode I understand why you wanted to make this series right now.
You guys got me into dune thanks
I really have to read this again. It's been over a decade.
"Is there pain, Old Friend?"
that line hurt me a little bit.
I am so hyped for Villeneuves Dune movie.
for real! i was shocked when i found out about it, Villeneuves puts out nothing but amazing films, I'm so hyped!
Sting should reprise his role, for the sake of humanity.
I'm really really worried.
@@GigawingsVideo Why, Blade Runner and his other movies are great.
@@RevolverOcelot-1995 BR still allows for a lot of action scene for people with ADD. Dune is more like Star Trek TNG, less punching, more talking.
I always thought that Baron Harkonnen was a representation of vanity and decadence, the kind of politician who's really a vile creep and is only in the role of leadership to fund his own desires rather than to help the people. Of course, it is impressive how smart and manipulative he is compared to other characters within the same "decadent ruler" trope.
"Be very careful of surrendering your decision-making power to a charismatic leader." Far from being fantasy, the moral of Dune is painfully relevant to real life. "For example," Herbert said, "the most dangerous president that we've had in recent years was Jack Kennedy, not becausethe guy was evil, but because people didn't question him."
"A Conversation with Frank Herbert"; Columbia Daily Spectator, 24 September 1982
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And we should question Herbert also. He wasn't the champion for democracy and liberty as people portray him, he was very homophobic, so much that he alienate one of his own sons because of it, as much he preaches about toxic charisma, says nothing about toxic policies, he is pretty aligned with Ray Bradbury.
I love how Herbert tells lessons in a sci-fi world storyline. It techs the lessons in a interesting way,it doesn’t have to be in a sci-fi world,any world that cleverly shows why something needs to change is great.
The charasmatic leader who panders to people and encourages their vices, making them think bad behavior is normal. Hmmm, where I have seen this before?
Rome? All of history?
@@taranwood6306 I'm a bit confused about the rome part,if you don't mind could you explain that part for me ?
Look out the window. ;)
The devil
A true masterpiece.
Why is the first album/film/book the best one? Because their entire life experience has been drawn upon to create that art, that initial expression of their vision and duplicating the feat in one year is difficult. The first one took their whole life up till then, now to do a second one in a year or two? it can be done but, it's not going to be as good.
I would love to see stuff about Paul's son, Leto Atreides II!!!
Muad'Dib ... getting that wrong makes me question your research. :D
+1
Oops!
Considering they pronounced it correct I just think they misspelled it for the video.
There’s a bit more to it than just that. The vid seems to mischaracterize 2 of the 3 leaders.
Leto for one understands that Dune being granted is a trap or at least some sort of monkey paw styled gift hence why his policies to make him look good are done. It’s very much understanding and trying to play the game of politics and staying one step ahead of The emperor and the harkonens. He is living in his fathers shadow but there’s way more to Leto than just inadequacy.
Paul’s issue is that he understands he needs to play the people of dune to his tune in a self fulfilling prophecy made by his mother’s order of space witches. He can’t tell how to get out not because there is no way out. It’s that there’s no way out that isn’t solvent.
That is the issue with this critique. It mistakes populism for the tool rather than the product. It’s also ignoring the concept of prophecy and chess game nature of the plot of dune that these ppl are forced into roles they may or may not want to do but are forced by circumstance. This is a weak take on a seminal work.
IKR, Moo- adib?
I love how much Zoey has been woven into the series. I for one welcome our new kitty overlords... Wait, wasn't this episode about not falling for charisma? Shoot. XP
Super series!!
GigawingsVideo," back when I was 13, my opinion of "Dune" owed little (read: zilch) to an appreciation for Herbert's artful delivery of a timely cautionary tale - instead, I was just a kid who was blown away by a super-cool action story - one that fueled countless hours of adventure among the sprawling expanse of dunes separating our rented cottage from the shore of Lake Huron's Georgian Bay. Many a summer's eve saw valiant Fremen crawling stealthily along the strand, on their silent quest for a hidden cache of Spice (a.k.a. packs of "Lik-a-made" powdered candy), ever-alert for noise-guided hands or feet of the blind-folded Sandworms, whose ears were pricked for the slightest sound which would launch them blindly rolling towards the source, arms and legs flailing madly about in hopes of scoring the slightest touch - spelling instant death for that unlucky Freman. The fatal touch of the Sandworms could only be evaded while crawling, UNLESS in desperation, a Freman called out, "STANDING UP!", allowing them all to now stand and run freely about in a frantic spice search. After a 3 second countdown, all Sandworms, now fully-lethal thanks to the vibrations from Freman feet, remove blindfolds, jump to their feet and set about decimating the ranks of the searchers. Because Sandworms could not be killed, the Freman death rate progressed geometrically meaning without a lucky quick spice find, very soon ALL worms would be after one Freman. So... Sandworms ruled!
I wish I was 13
@@storerestore Do I detect a note of regret here? It sounds like you might have a real sorry storerestore story. (Sorry...)
For eutopias and dystopias and the end I can recommend checking out songs of distant Earth by Arthur C Clarke. It's an interesting book which touches on them without falling into the trap of being pure eutopia or dystopia.
I think in Paul's case it was more about warnings about the dangers of religious zealotry and prophecy than charismatic leadership, but i get you were going for a theme
Since you're doing apocalypses next season, please please PLEASE cover Gene Wolf's Book of the New Sun. It's a perfect fit for your series.
Ummmmm... I cannot believe this, but I currently have a secondhand copy of dune in my possession! 💃🏼 I think my dad bought it from our library’s bookstore, which means it’s ours. 😄
I find it great y'all are giving works like Dune a spotlight to stand in here on UA-cam.
Also: First
I hope you cover Roadside Picnic in your next season since it fits that very well.
I need moar of this in my life.
Big big fan of Dune, all of Frank Herbert's work really. Do you think there are any current authors on-par with Herbert? Or Asimov?
Any of this looking familiar? 😕😕😕
Yueh almost got what was really motivating him, and the Baron never saw through it. The flaw in his plan being that Leto was too dazed to execute his part properly.
Damn! That was good! Great series guys!
Oh my God. Donald is Harkonnen.
Tae Young Ahn nah. Donald is the beast Raban. All he knows is how to squeeze.
Actually kind of, Raban the beast is a Harkonnen.
Ohhh, if Donald is Raban who is Fayd-Rautha?
Nicely done!
Oh, now it makes sense, "they're going to start with the end? What?" Thanks for clearing that up, it's had me baffled for a few weeks now. :P
You did great on this video.
The drug Semuta? Music + Drugs = Drugs CONFIRMED.
He's talking about mind enhancing drug that Mentats use to make their brain more brainier than before.
Semuta = a halluzinogenic Drug activated by Music
Sapho Juice = a Neuro Stimulant used by Mentats to double or triple their already immense processing power.
The last part is what got me to read dune, and is the best summary of it. It is about a boy falling victim to destiny anf trying to do his best. It is about consequences.
0:51 Man, this hits closer to a home than we realize. The world now is literally plagued by these kind of people.
You forgot the Bene Gesserit. The ones who created the myth behind the coming freman savior/profit Muad'dib. They seeded the legend a 1000 years before Muad'dib and proceeded to use selective breading in order to make a super being they could control who would be Muad'dib. Many times its the power behind the throne that should be most feared.