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  • How do we cope with a crowded world we as humans were never evolutionarily designed for? Stand on Zanzibar was written in 1968 but it uncannily, accurately predicts many of our present day's social tensions and stressors. However, it also has a certain optimism that makes it stand out among other dystopic fiction we've discussed.
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  • @extrahistory
    @extrahistory  5 років тому +349

    How do we cope with a world we were never evolutionarily designed for? Stand on Zanzibar is prophetic, chaotic, and at times, profound.
    Don't forget to check out the Extra Sci Fi Reading list: bit.ly/ESF_List

    • @pyeitme508
      @pyeitme508 5 років тому +1

      Please make review video about Ghost Recon Breakpoint?!

    • @purpleinterdiction6441
      @purpleinterdiction6441 5 років тому +2

      Hey! I have another recomendation for a book, Scythe by Neal Shusterman.

    • @thedogelastsurvivor2639
      @thedogelastsurvivor2639 5 років тому

      Pls make a video about fallout

    • @xerrox1182
      @xerrox1182 5 років тому +2

      do a episode about the book/movie, children of men

    • @jakarnilson
      @jakarnilson 5 років тому

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  • @shayneweyker
    @shayneweyker 5 років тому +1717

    They left out planned obsolescence in consumer goods. There's an amazing rant by one character about that.

    • @Nyghtking
      @Nyghtking 5 років тому +69

      I can kind of understand that, a company kills itself if it makes something that will last too long, because at that point they have a maximum limit they can sell before they stop breaking even on the cost of production.
      Or to put it another way I had one of those cube TVs, it lasted years without failing once, I eventually replaced it with a tv that didn't last a year, the cube tv was too effective, and while consumers will enjoy it there is no real money to be made.

    • @Em3rgency2
      @Em3rgency2 5 років тому +19

      Cube tv? You mean a CRT TV? /facepalm

    • @ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681
      @ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 5 років тому +5

      @@Em3rgency2 Wats a CRITTERV, Grandad?

    • @juanignacioflores3820
      @juanignacioflores3820 5 років тому +6

      @@Em3rgency2 holy shit a crt tv is forgotten now? damn we are old

    • @Nyghtking
      @Nyghtking 5 років тому +1

      @@Em3rgency2 I didn't know the actual name of them, they were still a damn good tv though.

  • @Flow86767
    @Flow86767 5 років тому +1433

    *Detroit abandoned? You’re sure it’s Sci-Fi?*

    • @redbrixanimations
      @redbrixanimations 5 років тому +60

      You take a sip of your trusty vault 13 canteen. Funniest thing I’ve seen today 😂

    • @yaumelepire6310
      @yaumelepire6310 5 років тому +38

      Well... it was in 1965.

    • @TheNecromPlay
      @TheNecromPlay 4 роки тому +3

      It's Sci-Fi because the author was a time traveler!

    • @davestylehenry
      @davestylehenry 4 роки тому

      Oof

  • @Easy-Eight
    @Easy-Eight 5 років тому +1353

    Stand on Zanzibar sounds more like a blue print for 2019 than a novel.

    • @killthegodemperorofmankind4097
      @killthegodemperorofmankind4097 5 років тому +12

      Productive programming is what we call it.

    • @jezzakanezza
      @jezzakanezza 4 роки тому +37

      Hey bro 2020 here... hey yeah listen, some stuff happened..

    • @valacarno
      @valacarno 4 роки тому +16

      We are coming from 2020 to let you know that a bunch of other novels aren't novels anymore. :^)

    • @steampunknord
      @steampunknord 3 роки тому +7

      Wait till you hear about 2020...

    • @johncloois3301
      @johncloois3301 3 роки тому +1

      9:06pm EST 9/6/21

  • @PopeGoliath
    @PopeGoliath 5 років тому +795

    This video felt way too short. D: I was just getting into the groove and thinking we'd passed the intro when the outro music started to fade in. T.T

    • @oktheneggscape5759
      @oktheneggscape5759 5 років тому +10

      I think they want you to read the book:)

    • @eleSDSU
      @eleSDSU 5 років тому +7

      @@oktheneggscape5759 6 episodes on Frankenstein but only a couple of minutes of "Stand on Zanzibar" and "I have no mouth but I must scream" and ZERO on "Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" doesn't seem right.

  • @Alorand
    @Alorand 5 років тому +914

    You didn't mention that one of the book's major figures is an African named 'President Obomi'

    • @barbiquearea
      @barbiquearea 5 років тому +134

      Holy shit is this true?

    • @kyokyoniizukyo7171
      @kyokyoniizukyo7171 5 років тому +126

      Alorand
      Okay, that is spooky!

    • @bleyk_267
      @bleyk_267 5 років тому +74

      thats scary as hell

    • @NecAngelus
      @NecAngelus 5 років тому +44

      Bruh

    • @doppelrutsch9540
      @doppelrutsch9540 5 років тому +176

      Reminds me of how in Werner Von Brauns Mars colonization plans the leader of the Mars colony was called "The Elon"...

  • @thorne9794
    @thorne9794 5 років тому +409

    "a dystopia that looks just a little too much like the modern day"
    me: yeah right.
    *hears his predictions which came true*
    me: HOLY SHIT!

  • @gregbaranszky545
    @gregbaranszky545 4 роки тому +193

    Theory: He was literally a time traveler

    • @Maussiegamer
      @Maussiegamer 4 роки тому +6

      i mean... yeah

    • @cswanson4476
      @cswanson4476 Рік тому +2

      Reality: He was incredibly intelligent and informed.

    • @dougwade1332
      @dougwade1332 11 місяців тому

      Agreed

    • @notenoughmemes1847
      @notenoughmemes1847 20 днів тому

      nah these were just trends in development people could track with time

  • @stephvanquaethem440
    @stephvanquaethem440 5 років тому +416

    "...deciding to run in a public place and simply starting to kill as many strangers as they can."
    Thank God that hasn't happened yet. Oh, wait...

    • @starfirejordan9875
      @starfirejordan9875 5 років тому +13

      wErE nOt rAcEs yOuR rAcEs *proceeds to beat people up and try to kill them because there wearing mega hat

    • @Ajc-ni3xn
      @Ajc-ni3xn 5 років тому +23

      Steph Vanquaethem *All the other kids with the pumped up kicks*

    • @TheAdihas
      @TheAdihas 5 років тому +47

      @@starfirejordan9875 Sounds more like all those schoolshootings in America than anything else

    • @youronlyfriend933
      @youronlyfriend933 4 роки тому +10

      starfirejordan
      Can you name a single credible source on that ever happening?

    • @umbraghosts9043
      @umbraghosts9043 4 роки тому +2

      starfirejordan And vice versa

  • @theterrorofdeath8907
    @theterrorofdeath8907 5 років тому +286

    Okay this book is almost spooky accurate to our world

  • @jlworrad
    @jlworrad 5 років тому +326

    Claim to fame: I have one of the electric typewriters Zanzibar was written on. Doesn’t work anymore though...

    • @tonykarter8830
      @tonykarter8830 5 років тому +10

      Do you plan on fixing it or just letting it be?

    • @MomMom4Cubs
      @MomMom4Cubs 4 роки тому +2

      What a cool conversation piece!

    • @Tinkering4Time
      @Tinkering4Time 4 роки тому +1

      Wow. Small world.

  • @theblasphemy6414
    @theblasphemy6414 5 років тому +394

    Soooo The simpsons writers arent the only time travelers. Hmmm intersting

    • @OspreyKnight
      @OspreyKnight 4 роки тому +5

      Its almost like if you make enough educated guesses some of them will sort of work and then confirmation bias kicks in.

  • @Birmanncat
    @Birmanncat 5 років тому +242

    Stand on Zanzibar is a textbook example of world building at ground level. You just get thrown in deep with no explanation whatsoever.

  • @DragoniteSpam
    @DragoniteSpam 5 років тому +140

    Was this actually written in 1968? Dear god.

  • @Flow86767
    @Flow86767 5 років тому +461

    Tbh, that’s probably THE BOOK, that you guys made me want to read...
    *Why the hell isn’t this book mandatory in school...*

    • @jchase1524
      @jchase1524 5 років тому +63

      Because school hasn't changed since Shakespeare's time

    • @0whatman
      @0whatman 5 років тому +32

      also too meta and depression endusing for some
      at least it's a wakeup call for most
      lmao

    • @yaumelepire6310
      @yaumelepire6310 5 років тому +39

      @@jchase1524 I wouldn't say that, but school definitely focuses on the classics a bit too much. The classics are important, don't get me wrong, but they're definitely not alone to matter.

    • @yaumelepire6310
      @yaumelepire6310 5 років тому +15

      For me it's this book and A Canticle For Lebowitz. I guess it's not mandatory in school because it doesn't have the same widespread renown as Brave New World, Fahrenheit 45 or 1984 and the likes.

    • @jackbennett6902
      @jackbennett6902 5 років тому +18

      Because English teachers would rather have us try and deduce the meaning doesn't exist rather than actual applicable things

  • @AverytheCubanAmerican
    @AverytheCubanAmerican 5 років тому +296

    Zanzibar, the site of the world's shortest war. The Anglo-Zanzibar War, lasted less than 45 minutes

    • @tommarch.4493
      @tommarch.4493 5 років тому +12

      and that is the only think that people know of it

    • @NecAngelus
      @NecAngelus 5 років тому +22

      Metal gear solid had a reference to zanzibar

    • @garrettallen7427
      @garrettallen7427 5 років тому +11

      NO NAME Found the sultan of Oman lives there now
      That’s just where he lives

    • @-haclong2366
      @-haclong2366 5 років тому +3

      Still lasted longer than I do, about 45 times as long... ¿Or are we talking about something else?

    • @richmcgee434
      @richmcgee434 5 років тому +7

      @NO NAME Found: Zanzibar was a major hub for the slave trade back in the day, and also a center of piracy on and off for several parts of its history. So no, it's not just known for that brief bombardment by the Royal Navy that's somewhat dubiously called a war.

  • @maskofice9432
    @maskofice9432 5 років тому +172

    I had never heard of this novel before. This sounds like something I need to read now.

    • @crunchbuttsteak8741
      @crunchbuttsteak8741 5 років тому +3

      Read The Sheep Look Up , also by John Brunner and even more weird in it's predictive strength

    • @richmcgee434
      @richmcgee434 5 років тому +3

      Beat me to it. I'm honestly a bit surprised they didn't at least mention it in the video, Sheep has even more weirdly accurate predictions, a similar tone, and is arguably a better (or at least slightly easier) read.

    • @johnjesberger5676
      @johnjesberger5676 4 роки тому +2

      @@kendallmoore4826 Brunner has a pretty reasonable claim as at least a co-founder of cyberpunk.

    • @CaptApril123
      @CaptApril123 3 роки тому

      @@crunchbuttsteak8741 Yes!! 'The Sheep Look Up' is excellent. Still got my copy buried somewhere.

    • @cswanson4476
      @cswanson4476 Рік тому

      @@johnjesberger5676William Gibson acknowledges as much in Neuromancer, when he name-drops “yonderboys”, a clear reference to SOZ.

  • @abramthiessen8749
    @abramthiessen8749 5 років тому +166

    4 kinds of chapters, 3 of which don't advance the plot?
    Beautifully written?
    Long?
    Sounds like Les Misérables.

    • @Ashalmawia
      @Ashalmawia 5 років тому +10

      The Man Who Laughs (also written by Hugo) was like that too. Weird chapters of pseudo-history with some plot-related chapters here and there.

    • @FranzFridl
      @FranzFridl 5 років тому

      Rayuela by Cortazar too

    • @elephant3109
      @elephant3109 5 років тому

      welp, that's the part, where, story != message of the novel

  • @ceasersean5537
    @ceasersean5537 4 роки тому +30

    Watching this helped me remember someone's quote on 1984, I don't remember who said it, but he said: "1984 was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual"

  • @sofiadeen4504
    @sofiadeen4504 4 роки тому +21

    This book sounds like a perfect gen-z read

  • @clownboyyyy
    @clownboyyyy 4 роки тому +7

    this aged like wine, espec the image of someone with a gas mask looking out their window because thats been the west coast in september

  • @Kraigerex1
    @Kraigerex1 5 років тому +52

    Just as a heads up, we've had electric cars since the 1910s.

    • @Kraigerex1
      @Kraigerex1 5 років тому +3

      @@Feroce If memory serves, New York City had a decent setup. Granted that was probably it!

    • @user-yv2cz8oj1k
      @user-yv2cz8oj1k 4 роки тому +2

      You do realise they already had systems in place for battery swops, so you could just change the batteries and away you go again. New ideas? Think again.

    • @christopherbacon1077
      @christopherbacon1077 4 роки тому +5

      Yes but until recently they didn't become (somewhat) common thanks to the auto and oil industries being invested in the internal combustion engine

  • @jeremylakey680
    @jeremylakey680 5 років тому +100

    No one:
    Extra credits:
    Here are some of the best pieces of literature to ever walk the earth.

  • @Fridgeworks
    @Fridgeworks 5 років тому +13

    Weirdly enough "How do we cope in a world we didn't evolve fast enough for?" is something I've been thinking about recently.
    By all manner of things I have a pretty cushy job that pays well (fully remote Software Engineer where I manage my own schedule) but I find myself being a little jealous of people who do physical labour all day and at the same time not wanting to commit to a 9-5 job with a large amount of travel time. Very much a 1st world blues and in contradiction to each other.
    I find myself more and more wanting to be outside, enjoying nature, playing airsoft or just sitting in the garden. Adopting my dog has been a really nice boon for me, seeing how simply she sees the world and being able to share that with her on walks.
    It's a weird state we're living in, where I don't worry directly about food but more about numbers in my bank account so I can pay my council tax and shop for supplies etc. Whereas a few centuries ago I could plonk myself down in a forest, build a hut and (if I'm out of the way enough) not worry so much about the tax man but instead concentrate on feeding myself and my family.
    As much as the modern world seems to bring convenience, it separates us from the physical act of producing our own food, housing, clothing etc.
    Not sure what my point was. I guess I yearn for a simpler time but I'm aware of how much harder that would be and that at the same time I'm grateful that modern life saves me from dying of starvation or disease so easily.
    It's a realisation that I'm not really built to cope properly with this lifestyle, but that the alternative is a MUCH shorter and harder life.

  • @Zerobasssoul
    @Zerobasssoul 5 років тому +35

    This may be the first book in a long time to scare me if not only because how accurate it was

  • @altitudinem6038
    @altitudinem6038 5 років тому +93

    At 3:33 my mind was immediately drawn to the shootings in recent years...

    • @mr.stargazer9835
      @mr.stargazer9835 5 років тому +4

      Obviously that was the videos intent.

    • @kimhawes624
      @kimhawes624 5 років тому +4

      @@randomxnp What planet are you from, Rich? Before Whitman went up the Texas Tower in '66, mass shootings were unheard of. The frequency has been on the climb ever since.

    • @SantomPh
      @SantomPh 4 роки тому

      @@randomxnp let's hope you witness and experience one.

    • @asnekboi7232
      @asnekboi7232 4 роки тому

      SantomPh I disagree with him to but he doesn’t deserve that no matter how much of a idiot he is

    • @hotlinerevachol5436
      @hotlinerevachol5436 3 роки тому

      @@randomxnp >both write irrelevant facts
      he literally just stated a major mass shooting that occurred prior to their growth after columbine, the spike of mass shootings **has** grown in the united states of america, and there is no denying that. you clearly know nothing about the topic if you didn't understand what that meant.

  • @shawnheatherly
    @shawnheatherly 5 років тому +36

    And yet I've never even heard of this book. Sounds downright scary how much it got right.

  • @johnnyscifi
    @johnnyscifi 5 років тому +42

    Zanzibar land...outer heaven!!!

    • @johnnydugas1970
      @johnnydugas1970 5 років тому +2

      I feel asleep!

    • @ln7929
      @ln7929 5 років тому +2

      Both controlled by big boss

    • @SantomPh
      @SantomPh 4 роки тому

      Kojima knows his sources

  • @aze94
    @aze94 5 років тому +16

    Accurate predictions? It must be the work of an enemy stand...on Zanzibar!

  • @kennedytheretard975
    @kennedytheretard975 4 роки тому +67

    "The sultan of Oman lives in Zanzibar now"
    "that is jsut where he lives now"

  • @isaacschmitt4803
    @isaacschmitt4803 5 років тому +83

    Eesh. I'm with you, there. This book is a little too real. I, uh. . . I need something a little more philosophically light. A little pickled ginger or coffee beans to wash my brain out.

  • @br8745
    @br8745 5 років тому +11

    I feel population pressure is the weakest point made. Many countries are struggling with the opposite problem, too few people (Japan, South Korea, China) and as countries advance population growth rates shrink.

    • @helicongremory8480
      @helicongremory8480 5 років тому +3

      Yeah sure ...but no. China sure doesn't lack people. Japan and Korea may have a shrinking population, but their main cities are still very much overcrowded.

    • @br8745
      @br8745 5 років тому +5

      China's population is heavily skewed towards an older population, meaning there will be fewer people to replace and pay for those retiring. In Japan every province is experiencing decreasing populations except Tokyo, which is due to internal migration. How does a shrinking younger and middle age group care for an ever growing elderly population?

    • @helicongremory8480
      @helicongremory8480 5 років тому

      @@br8745 My point is, even if the country population is decreasing, it does not stop you from feeling the population pressure inside a city.

    • @anarchisttechsupport6644
      @anarchisttechsupport6644 5 років тому +4

      @@br8745 Sounds like the Future of the US, the way the economy is leaving out the folks under 40. They're not having kids at nearly the same rate, for lack of economic stability.
      Our only hope to pay for older people as they retire? Immigrant workers. You know, the people we're putting in Concentration Camps right now.

    • @mudmug1
      @mudmug1 5 років тому +2

      The countries are not struggling with too few people. They are struggling with ageing populations. Its a proportion thing not an absolute numbers thing

  • @J24-k8f
    @J24-k8f 5 років тому +45

    I am just wondering how the grim darkness of the far future will be shown when it's time comes.

    • @russellbrown6888
      @russellbrown6888 5 років тому

      Sometimes it's serious and even thought-provoking, while other times it's so pants-on-head stupid that it's hilarious.

    • @IndustrialParrot2816
      @IndustrialParrot2816 3 роки тому

      UuUuUm

  • @edwardcumpstey9061
    @edwardcumpstey9061 5 років тому +9

    "A hope that we'll create a world better than the one in Stand on Zanzibar," oh boy was Brunner wrong but so right in his depiction of his "fictional future" society.

  • @weirddude928
    @weirddude928 5 років тому +90

    16 views
    16 likes
    THIS IS PERFECT

    • @heytokenblackguy
      @heytokenblackguy 5 років тому +8

      Perfectly balanced. As all things should be.

    • @masontrinh6880
      @masontrinh6880 5 років тому +4

      “Perfection”

    • @acebalistic1358
      @acebalistic1358 5 років тому

      Perfection: our opinion of what is correct, despite others misgivings

    • @masontrinh6880
      @masontrinh6880 5 років тому

      Tyler McDaniel I’m referring that old/semi old meme

  • @davidschaftenaar6530
    @davidschaftenaar6530 4 роки тому +32

    I might actually _read_ this one! Amazing that this author not only predicted our society so well, but also went against the grain of his 1960's hippy-surroundings. This guy recognized the future he saw for what it is: A dystopia.

  • @johnjesberger5676
    @johnjesberger5676 4 роки тому +14

    This book just stands alone for me. The Innis Mode form (jumping between Context, Continuity, Tracking with Closeups and The Happening world) is worth it's own whole conversation. The plot is amazing, it just keeps unspooling and I remember thinking "he's waited too long, he can't land it, no one could land this", then just like that he does. Add that to all the things you covered here, his speculative prowess, the tone, it's an astounding work.

    • @cswanson4476
      @cswanson4476 Рік тому

      It truly is everything you describe. It’s like putting the entire surface of the planet in a colossal blender, pushing purée, and then dropping you in the middle as it spins. One of the phenomena he foresees is “information overload”, and he does an incredible job of getting a 1968 reader to feel what it will be like, using nothing but text.

  • @jeanbonnefoy1377
    @jeanbonnefoy1377 5 років тому +7

    Was definitely a real shocker when I read it in 69. And one of the books who defined my upcoming sci fi writer and translator career. And later, in the early 70s, I had the great luck and honour of meeting JB at the Metz sci fi festival in France...!

  • @TheNN
    @TheNN 5 років тому +6

    Stand on Zanzibar? There's an old school Metal Gear joke in there somewhere, but I'm not clever enough to think of something good.

  • @AMoniqueOcampo
    @AMoniqueOcampo 5 років тому +42

    I’m only commenting to see if anyone gets the reference.
    Anyone remember the Zanzibarbarians in Muppet Treasure Island?

    • @peterkershaw11
      @peterkershaw11 5 років тому +1

      I think Gonzo was just trying to hype up the moment and build some adrenaline (as well as some laughs). Or perhaps he was merely hiding his underlying fears of the voyage.

    • @luckydavis84
      @luckydavis84 5 років тому +1

      "To the north west dirty dishes!"
      ......"How does she do that?!"

    • @AMoniqueOcampo
      @AMoniqueOcampo 5 років тому

      @@luckydavis84 Thank you.

  • @Rocketboy1313
    @Rocketboy1313 5 років тому +6

    Looking at the audible page...
    Stand on Zanzibar has 159 star ratings averaging out to a 4/5
    I am guessing that in 1 month that number will have tripled, entirely because of this episode.
    I will check back here at the end of July to see.
    I mean... I plan to check it out.

  • @spencergage95
    @spencergage95 2 роки тому +6

    Of all the dystopias, this one has the most developed setting. Brunner’s world doesn’t feel like a dystopia with 60s characters in the future, but instead a 2010 that looks a lot like ours, but everyone is meaner and more cynical. At least in other dystopias you’d get arrested or exiled for being different, but if you were dropped in this world you’d have a tough time because you’d want to try and have a normal life, but you’re surrounded by potentially dangerous people.

  •  5 років тому +4

    People thinking that fiction is predicting the future don't seem to realize how predictable humanity is.
    That being said, this book is one of the most ironic yet accurate books I've ever seen. Unfortunately... it's one of the most ironic and accurate books I've ever seen. The trend it describes is pinpoint, and nothing in the real world seems to deviant from it. Here in the States, racial and identity politics is turning everyone against each other. I personally don't feel safe leaving the house, and I live in a decent part of town, because the only logical step to frustrating the population is to weaponize it, or correct it, and if you've seen the seen how Orwellian our media has become, well, the Ministries would be proud. Makes you wonder hoe many crackpot theories have truth to them now.
    Zanzibar might very well be the work of a time traveler, or a master psychologist. Either way, he hasn't been very wrong yet.

  • @dbnx1701
    @dbnx1701 5 років тому +30

    Guys I really love the episode but you got one thing wrong, they're not called loot boxes they're called surprise mechanics.

  • @moth3562
    @moth3562 5 років тому +33

    Dystopia?
    Edit: dystopia

  • @ReaperOfStories
    @ReaperOfStories 5 років тому +11

    That definition of Leadership, though... 🙃

  • @francinemcloughlin6096
    @francinemcloughlin6096 5 років тому +9

    0:22
    Wow
    The man even predicted EA.
    What a visionary

  • @Tinkering4Time
    @Tinkering4Time 4 роки тому +2

    Looks like we hit the ultraviolence threshold long before overpopulation. We have tons of space and resource capability in this world, we just need to upgrade and manage them better. But the social, psychological, and financial pressures are definitely here.

  • @brandanberg1716
    @brandanberg1716 5 років тому +28

    I wish you all would do one of these over metro 2033

  • @jellospike
    @jellospike 5 років тому +8

    John Brunner was amazing. From 1968 to 1975, he wrote, in addition to "Zanzibar": "The Jagged Orbit", about racial violence and the overproliferation of weapons in America; "The Sheep Look Up", about overpollution and "The Shockwave Rider", pretty much the originator of cyberpunk as a genre. All great reads.

  • @PHRCpvh
    @PHRCpvh 4 роки тому +4

    The Simpsons: Makes pretty accurate predictions about the future.
    Brunner: I see you copied my style.

  • @lookb4Uleep
    @lookb4Uleep 5 років тому +12

    I saw "zanzibar" and Iim sorry but all I can imagine is Big Boss voicing this episode

  • @NefariousKoel
    @NefariousKoel 5 років тому +5

    Africa's problem isn't leftover colonialism. It's problem is that once the colonial powers left, Africa devolved back into conflict based upon tribal and religious divisions.
    The colonials never instigated those divisions. They were there long before.

    • @chuckbrotton2449
      @chuckbrotton2449 5 років тому

      Uh, yes and no. The problem is that when the European colonizers left, they left behind large, arbitrarily drawn states that didn't take tribal, linguistic, and religious divides into account. Nigeria, for example, should have been at least 3 different countries.

    • @NefariousKoel
      @NefariousKoel 5 років тому

      @@chuckbrotton2449 Sure, but national borders still do not prevent inter-tribal and religious war.
      There are conflicts on most continents due to arbitrary old borders not matching cultural lines. Africa isn't alone regarding that point.

    • @grayscribe1342
      @grayscribe1342 5 років тому

      The problem is that the colonials created new divisions on top of the old. I realize it's not africa, but it is a good example on how they did stuff. After WWII two of the allies broke up the Ottoman empire, creating Turkey, Syria and Iraq bry drawing lines in the sand with no regard to resources or the people. Among the problems of the region we now have the Kurds, which are barely to not welcome in the three countries they have been divided into.
      Look at the nice, lines some of the african countries have and you can make some good guesses which have been drawn by the colonials, again, with no regards to the people living there. Though more reource oriented. Resources the colonials at the time were interested in that is, not what countries and people need to exist.

  • @gilraybaker826
    @gilraybaker826 3 роки тому +2

    ...And then there's Shockwave Rider, a cyberpunk novel. From eh 1975.
    Ps, if youse guys are gonna do creepy prophecy, do the 1947 delight, "A Logic Named Joe, " where Leinster gets the Internetted world in toto, he just gets all the names wrong. (No cell phones as usu, tho.)

  • @xffh5115
    @xffh5115 5 років тому +9

    THE SULTAN OF OMAN LIVES IN ZANZIBAR NOOW

  • @stringtheory00
    @stringtheory00 5 років тому +4

    Just wanted to share my favorite quote from the book:
    "The word is EPTIFY. Don't look in the dictionary. It's too new for the dictionary. But you'd better learn what it implies. EPTIFY. We do it to you."
    The internet is a buzzword inventing machine, take a week or even a day off and suddenly everyone is using a new adjective.

  • @Veganrevwithzombies
    @Veganrevwithzombies 5 років тому +6

    We at the Dickheads (Philip K Dick) podcast have recorded an episode on this awesome book as well. It is a part of out series on the Hugo winners of the 60's. This is a great video. One of the best Sci-fi novels ever!

  • @hemidas
    @hemidas 5 років тому +3

    John Brunner was more accurate in his predictions than Nostradamus, Baba Vanga and Edgar Cayce combined! (0_0)

  • @PuppetMasteronVHS
    @PuppetMasteronVHS 5 років тому +3

    The fact that the book is so accurate in depicting today’s world, and the ridiculous nature of how mental everyone is written and how everyone else today seems to be the mirror image of the book, proves there is no hope for humanity. We all laughed at the ridiculous back then calling it science fiction, but now it’s our reality. We brought this Hell upon our selves.

  • @I_am_somebody_1234
    @I_am_somebody_1234 3 роки тому +2

    Am i reading a dystopian novel or an autobiography of 2018? I just cant tell...

  • @JayLeePoe
    @JayLeePoe 5 років тому +3

    So... the hope is that we make a better world than what's in the book, but then again the book itself is "realistic" and "uncanny" in its accuracy. . .?
    hmm

  • @AM-kf2zt
    @AM-kf2zt 5 років тому +3

    So, this is basically the source of every futuristic sci-fi action movie for the past few decades? If this gave us Robocop, then thanks! In that case, someone make a faithful adaptation of this book.

  • @dragoninthewest1
    @dragoninthewest1 5 років тому +6

    Could we classify stand on Zanzibar as alternate history now.

    • @anidude98
      @anidude98 5 років тому

      After the international proletarien revolution. We weren't evolved for this world, so take it by the reins.

  • @lizrathburn8603
    @lizrathburn8603 5 років тому +13

    I don't think the overpopulation thing is really how things are now but the little things the book gets really correct.

    • @anarchisttechsupport6644
      @anarchisttechsupport6644 5 років тому +2

      While the population here in the US may not be physically overcrowded? It is as though our economy disagrees.
      Then again, our economy, for lack of even a micro-dose of Socialism (or even relevant Regulation) has turned Sociopathic.

    • @lizrathburn8603
      @lizrathburn8603 5 років тому +3

      @@Feroce Even there its not like they can't live or don't have enough food for everyone.

    • @murrax7639
      @murrax7639 5 років тому +1

      Liz Rathburn Well. Actually that is a problem. They are being forced out of their homes by a totalitarian government and forced to work on farms to feed the populace....

    • @lizrathburn8603
      @lizrathburn8603 5 років тому +1

      @@murrax7639 In india or China? Because China is not doing that it just imports a bunch of grain and mechanizes its farms and most of the Chinese communist party is made up of people who were farmers or from rural areas so its not like they're going to fuck over farmers.

    • @basambinsohailraja1801
      @basambinsohailraja1801 5 років тому

      @@murrax7639 you don't know what you're talking about

  • @TimdeVisser86
    @TimdeVisser86 4 роки тому +2

    Actually, the current production levels can easily sustain and house everyone on Earth. The illusion of crowding and scarcity is due to unequal distribution of space and resources. Population pressure is a myth that justifies eugenics. It was when Malthus used it to justify the neglect of impoverished communities, and it has been used to justify all manner of violence since. Population density is unequally distributed due to the transition to an industrial and then a service-economy, leading to urbanization. Also the large-scale exploitation of populations, leading to a widening wealth gap. This all makes it feel like there's not enough for everybody, while in reality, the ultra-rich monopolize most of it.
    There are several billionaires in the world that could solve things like poverty and homelessness by themselves without meaningfully changing their lifestyles. They won't do that because it would diminish their power. There are more empty houses in most industrialized nations than there are homeless people.There is more food intentionally destroyed than is needed to feed starving people. To frame this as apolitical human nature is to justify cruelty and oppression.

    • @notenoughmemes1847
      @notenoughmemes1847 20 днів тому

      Such is the fault of the system of capitalism, working perfectly as intended to enrich the capitalist class

  • @Bufoferrata
    @Bufoferrata 5 років тому +6

    How about a video on Brunner's "The Sheep look up?" That's another brilliantly prescient work by this author.

  • @zachhalverstam2804
    @zachhalverstam2804 5 років тому +5

    You guys should just expand this to extra literature

  • @the6ofdiamonds
    @the6ofdiamonds 5 років тому +4

    Welp, time to add this to my reading list. I have to know how scarily accurate it is.

  • @sabata2
    @sabata2 5 років тому +1

    Wow, that synopsis was eerily similar to nowadays.
    We aren't evolved for the interconnectedness of the Net and it's destroying us.
    But it's too addicting for people to quit.

  • @noahgreer1497
    @noahgreer1497 5 років тому +4

    Despite all this book seemingly got right its whole "we gotta Purge to balance out overpopulation" is super wrong. Crime and war are the lowest they been in centuries and turns out the more developed a nation is the easier their population trend plateaus

    • @helicongremory8480
      @helicongremory8480 5 років тому +3

      We will still be 10 billions by 2050. And that's a problem. Yeah, most of these people will be born in Africa. However, they will not stay in Africa.

    • @the11382
      @the11382 5 років тому +1

      Take a look at the sky and all the space there. If we spread over the entire solar system, we can fit trillions of people.

    • @helicongremory8480
      @helicongremory8480 5 років тому

      Good luck with that.

  • @anubis2814
    @anubis2814 2 роки тому +1

    So much of this was right except over population was never the issue, all of this still happened purly due to how wealth was distributed.

  • @devonstein7464
    @devonstein7464 3 роки тому +3

    Perhaps I'm wrong on this one, but it feels like Watchman by Alan Moore, uses a very similar 4 chapter structure. I still remember the headlines, the story of the kid and the comic book, and of course the imagery that makes the book so memorable.

  • @NathanLucas5
    @NathanLucas5 2 роки тому +1

    You guys should do a video on Brunners other work, The Sheep Look Up, he's eerily close on environmental issues too

  • @johnmurphy6023
    @johnmurphy6023 5 років тому +4

    From this author I prefer The Sheep Look Up. Also feels uncannily accurate .

  • @charlesbduke7947
    @charlesbduke7947 4 роки тому +2

    Try The Sheep Look Up, by John Brunner

  • @gyrrakavian
    @gyrrakavian 5 років тому +1

    Curious that it's the _cities_ that are crowded.
    Urban crowding and an obscenely unbalanced distribution of wealth are the true threat of overpopulation.
    Insofar as taking off one's blinders, might I suggest the NewWorldNextWeek news show? They actually cite their sources.

  • @ryanyang3347
    @ryanyang3347 4 роки тому +3

    2:57 That’s just statistics

  • @logananderson7881
    @logananderson7881 4 роки тому +1

    This story has the same issue as most things written during the cold war. It undersells the development of developing countries. UN predictions have capped the the human population at around 11 billion and most of the added billions will be born in Africa, as it continues to urbanize. The population will stagnate without needing to resort to desperate measures. When given the choice Women will tend to delay their pregnancies, so that they can get established financially. Also, birth rates drop with infant mortality. To paraphrase Hans Rosling, we don't live in a two hump world. For context: ua-cam.com/video/hVimVzgtD6w/v-deo.html

  • @dionemoolman
    @dionemoolman 4 роки тому +2

    Okay, who stole the time machine?

  • @lucofparis4819
    @lucofparis4819 5 років тому +1

    There's a reality most people don't wanna address: despite our tech we are currently cornered on Earth. We've explored and colonized nearly every surface. We've been in the depths of seas and realized it wouldn't be practical to expand there. We've attempted to explore the underground world and realised how hard it is to dig any meter of it. We went to space, walked on the Moon, and concluded we weren't ready for space colonization. It's too hazardous, too expensive, with little to gain in the first phases, and so much to spend to get the tiniest things in and out. We can't keep expanding, because there's nowhere to expand right now. That's the reason for our problems. We used a logic that was doomed to fail due to frontiers that are too hard to breach for humanity to thrive beyond those. And by concentrating people on 30% of Earth's surface, we're only destroying the habitat of other living creatures in the process, plus setting up huge territorial conflicts for rare resources and simply, more space. Both on the national and individual level.

  • @suziequzie
    @suziequzie 5 років тому +3

    This is my favourite book. I re-read it every few years and always catch something new. Or at least get a new understanding of something I previously read.

  • @johnnydugas1970
    @johnnydugas1970 5 років тому +2

    Drscribing terrorism as unthinkable in the 60's is really misleading, deaths related to terrorism were at an all time high in the 60's and have been actually decreasing as we move towards the modern age.

  • @irishspartanstudios
    @irishspartanstudios 4 роки тому +1

    What will be the next Stand On Zanzibar? As in a book that paints a spooky accurate future for Terrankind?

  • @RayMKlll
    @RayMKlll 5 років тому +2

    That book predicted EVERYTHING in our modern world! O_O

  • @arcen3169
    @arcen3169 5 років тому +2

    Excellent video, but the picture you used when you said "normalization of mass killings" looked like the Holocaust, which hasn't at all been normalized. If you meant shootings and other such things, you probably should have used a more appropriate image.

    • @xxxdumbwordstupidnumberxxx4844
      @xxxdumbwordstupidnumberxxx4844 5 років тому

      There are some politicians in even countries like Australia who have made references to the 'Final Solution', so they could make the argument.

    • @Eshanas
      @Eshanas 5 років тому

      I mean, apathy towards mass-shootings is rising. Apathy towards state-sanctioned mass-killings is rising. Terrorist and state actors become little more than news snippets. Sudan and Yemen are just the same old, same old to a growing number of people. How long until the Janjaweed are rounding up thousands of Protesters to butcher them in stadiums? Or the Dogon totally wipe out another tribe in Mali?
      Honestly I feel like the censorship prevalent today is going to help this. People react to when they see death. Kent State, the Execution during the Tet Offensive, the Khmer Rouge and the corpses of African civil wars. Now, you don't see anything but whatever states and media want you to see, and it becomes disconnected in a vital way. Just telling people that other people are dying doesn't hit to the nerve as seeing them being cut down and bleeding out on the street.

  • @mosesbrown4126
    @mosesbrown4126 5 років тому +4

    The recommendations from this channel tho. I'll be finishing Canticle for Leibowitz tomorrow morning. Guess I'll be ordering this.

  • @bohjackd.4959
    @bohjackd.4959 5 років тому +4

    still no 40k? what about cyberpunk 2020? :p

    • @NefariousKoel
      @NefariousKoel 5 років тому

      The cyberpunk genre's tropes of tech mega-corporations increasingly controlling society is certainly relevant today.
      It's bio/tech transhumanist themes are still in the process of advancing, but it's also definitely there to a lesser degree.

    • @bohjackd.4959
      @bohjackd.4959 5 років тому +1

      @@NefariousKoel im also referring to how companies basically became government themselves (think also shadowrun), as well as the complete fracturing of society. or in warhammer 40k's case, the abandonment of logic and reason for blind zealous fanaticism. :3

  • @wowman542
    @wowman542 5 років тому +2

    Hold up, "papa hegel?" As in Georg Friedrich Hegel the philospher?

  • @tobigrussia1372
    @tobigrussia1372 5 років тому +23

    Pls to all of the METRO 2033 AND ITS FRANSIAS

  • @abcdef27669
    @abcdef27669 5 років тому +3

    So... The book is a mashup of “The Purge” with Metal Gear Solid?

  • @a.h.4823
    @a.h.4823 4 роки тому +2

    Oh no its the prophecy.

  • @Hotlooksamerica
    @Hotlooksamerica 3 роки тому +1

    President Obomi???? This guy took time travel drugs for sure.

  • @primoaurelius
    @primoaurelius 5 років тому +1

    DO THE ILLUMINATUS TRILOGY!!!

  • @ecur115.
    @ecur115. 5 років тому +4

    0:23 *But it's not loot boxes, it's surprise mechanics*

  • @Ajc-ni3xn
    @Ajc-ni3xn 5 років тому +4

    5:58 is that the “This Is Fine” meme?

  • @NoName-hg6cc
    @NoName-hg6cc 3 роки тому +1

    A better world uh? I feel like we are running towards his worst predictions

  • @andersonrobotics5608
    @andersonrobotics5608 4 роки тому +1

    man just predicted urban dictionary without all the sex

  • @cpasr8065
    @cpasr8065 4 роки тому +1

    I'm seriously afraid of any other prediction in this book.

  • @GanyuSimpingDegenerate
    @GanyuSimpingDegenerate 2 роки тому +1

    Humanity will fall when hope and delusion become synonyms

  • @WildsDreams45
    @WildsDreams45 4 роки тому +1

    I've been saying for years that cities are not natural for us and we're not adapted to living in them. I need to read this book!