Dylan Baker absolutely smashes the McNamara act out of the park. It's like watching the most sophisticated, computer enhanced footage of the actual man himself.
@@dirkgently120 No, although I appreciate your humor. Of course the Russian navy was older than having been founded in the late 18th century. John Paul Jones did however serve in the Russian navy. That is correct.
I remember this scene and it was great. In that an militarily inexperienced business CEO is made too look like an idiot by an experienced admiral… only to flip the situation with the interpretation any non navy man would. And the consequences of that. It’s a masterful way of how opinions can be forced in any situation, business or war I remember watching it in the cinema thinking “you idiot McNamara” then realising I was the idiot. Great scene
Perfect dramatization of McNamara. He was a numbers guru. Using analytics WAY before they became popular. Was part of the whiz kids - they didn't know anything about cars, but reshaped Ford Motor Co...didn't know anything about naval tactics, but knew the "language" of the blockade. Kennedy recognized very smart guys, that's why he surrounded himself with them
No entirely correct, you analysis of McNamara's pedigree translating into effective governmental service. Yes, JFK's administration comprised both 'eggheads' like McNamara, and 'brass tax', "gung-ho" military men to weigh the contrasts between the two and hence render his own decisions, based on the best advice. But McNamara, for his part is historically considered an inept failure as Secretary of Defense. He had no practical experience and 'fudged' the numbers regarding Vietnam causalities. Worst of all, his dogmatic determination to continue in this fashion, both under JFK and Johnson only served to prolong a war that they United States could not win...and he knew it! Sorry, Hollywood depictions of historical figures are largely historically inaccurate!
I somehow could not picture former U.S. Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara ever having a real bad temper as exhibited by this movie. I somehow dont think that the man was ever hot tempered, though I could be wrong. Other than that I feel that Thirteen Days was a reasonably accurate movie.
McNamara was a former commissioned officer in the USAF. His military experience served him well in this situation, as did some of the other cabinet members. I was born in 1953 and I watched this unfold while at my American relatives house in Bath, Maine on their black and white TV. My uncle Stan left the U.S. Army the year before and he was worried sick over this. We were all wondering if we were going to live through this, or be a statistic in the afterlife.
Lol my history teacher would always bring this scene up when John Paul Jones got mentioned for example “Now kids you remember who did that? That’s right JOHN PUAL JONES!”
In actuality, the first ship to approach the blockade was the Bucharest, a Soviet ship named after the Romanian capital. When the Romanian communist leaders found out that the Soviets put missiles in Cuba and used a ship called Bucharest to breach the blockade they were deeply enraged. This fury of the Romanian politbureau was made possible because of an incident involving the Romanian communist leaders flying over China in a soviet plane just a few days before the Cuban crisis began. The Romanians were convinced that the Soviets were out to eliminate them. This was a turning point in Romanian-Soviet relations. After 1962 the Romanians had a very anti-soviet stance even though they were deeply communistic.
He came off tough. But he was 100% WRONG. He sounded like jackass. Talking about this isn’t a blockade. It’s language the type of which the world has never seen. It’s like NO this is a blockade . Yes it’s JFK communicating with the Russians but he saying don’t fuck with us turn your nuke transports around or we got a problem. Shit like this has been done in Naval history for centuries going back to the Roman’s and the Greeks
Did they recruit and de-age the real Bob McNamara for this role? It is one of the most accurate depictions of a historical figure I have ever seen in terms of appearance, expression and personality.
I think this is an awesome scene from the film. That being said, it's incredible to me that J. Robert McNamara, who (at least during this crisis) stopped the U.S. from launching into a nuclear holocaust, was the chief architect of the Vietnam War. I like how the end of the film has him saying (in effect): "Well, now this gives us free reign in Southeast Asia." As if this pullback from the brink was a "victory." Thanks for posting!
This is language! A new vocabulary, the likes of which the world has never seen! This is President Biden communicating with President Putin! Zelenskyy: Ow! Serious?
McNamara and Admiral Anderson didn't get along together in real life. Great depiction of their relationship in this scene. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Whelan_Anderson_Jr.
The issue was that the Admiral thought that McNamara was micromanaging but, and I agree, the issue was Political not Military and the Admiral did not understand that. In any case Civilian Control of the Military has a very strong, rightfully, tradition in the U.S. so there was no doubt who was in charge.
I served in the Army but, this scene shows why civilian control is vital. The Joint Chiefs wanted a war and the civilian administration was able to preserve peace, prevent a war, and dupe the Soviets in the process (removing obsolete missiles from Turkey that were going to be removed anyways).
One of Dan Carlin's podcast he was talking about the U.S. nuclear war plans in the 80s & 90s. These guys are like computers, very task oriented. If they're given 1000s nukes and told to put bombs on target, they will put bombs on target. All 1000 are allocated so if a city has to get hit 10 times, it gets hit 10 times. That kind of thinking is nuts to me.
Yes, I am actually replying to a 12 year old comment, deal with it! :D Well, he was dangerously wrong no doubt about it, but he both admitted the mistakes he made and seemed regretful in his later years, I think that rules out "evil". For those interested, I recommend watching this documentary: *The Fog of War (2003) - Movie Trailer* ua-cam.com/video/YONEXPMVaQM/v-deo.html&ab_channel=ImAmoderateLiberal
@@TheSaltyAdmiral they should also watch Path To War with Alec Baldwin as McNamara, Michael Gambon as LBJ and Donald Sutherland as Clark Clifford. Very good representation of the times during the buildup to,the decisions regarding the Vietnam War.
Funny to see a lot of comments loving McNamara... He also almost single handedly drove the U.S. deeper into the biggest ass kicking war defeats the U.S. ever suffered in its history, the Vietnam war
@Amed Tajan Exactly!!! Thank you. Its scary how easily people’s opinions are influenced by movies and tv...they seem to forget that these are only BASED on a true story, with tons of liberties taken.
This is why the President of the United States and other Secretary NCO positions are given ultimate authority. If an Admiral or General was in charge nuclear war would have happened already because under the rules of engagement they have to respond with force, no matter the consequences
I was riveted by this scene the first time I saw it and its effect remains undiminished...That concept of the Cuban missile crisis, blockade, and military and diplomatic action evolving a "new language" blew my mind... For me, it nailed the idea of how crucial it is for our leaders to try to develop a multidimensional perspective and understanding of important situations, especially at hair-trigger moments in history like this. Linear thinking and simple, direct action/reaction have their place but -- as with all things -- in the wrong context, they can lead to extreme and dangerous, irreversible consequences. Before nuclear weapons, it may well have been possible to strong-arm a bully into submission with manageable risk (notice I didn't say who the bully was here?)...That kind of schoolyard tactic among superpowers evaporated with the advent of nuclear weapons and the Damocles sword of Armageddon. The scale of potential consequences utterly dwarfs anything that might be gained from "big stick" threats and militaristic swagger. The people who believe that the Russian placement of nukes in Belarus is "all bark, no bite" and is merely chest-puffing bluster might do well to consider this.
I was in the navy when this movie was released. My roommate and I snuck into this movie after the movie we paid for finished. Fell asleep because it was boring and woke up near the end. When he told I missed an admiral get chewed out I was very disappointed.
Isn't ironic that one of the generals so hardly pushed for military confrontation during crisis was Curtis le May himself*?.. * a guy who send requisition to Los Alamos for 100 nuclear bombs so he could turn Japan in to nuclear desert for another five centuries.
+Przemyslaw Kuszynski Le May was a real asshole unfortunately...It's good that Kennedy kept him in his place. Imagine someone like Trump in a situation like that...WWIII guaranteed.
Daryl Dixon, reading what you wrote ten months ago, a month and a half after the inauguration of djt. Apparently the people who imagined djt in a situation like that didn't vote. VOTE in 2018! VOTE in 2020!
0:41 "Grozny, Grozny, this is the Destroyer Pierce of the United States of America. Do you read[🇷🇺]?" 0:47 "Grozny, Grozny, this is the Destroyer Pierce of the United States of America. Do you read[🇷🇺]?"
@Amed Tajan It was more complex than that. The USSR and China backed up N Vietnam. There was no crystal ball to use and see how communism would play out. The War was already underway at that point
John Paul Jones was an Admiral of the US Navy then he was also an Admiral in the Russian Navy the Czar of Russia gave him a field Commission in the Russian Navy as Admiral the Emperor of Russia ask John Paul Jones to come to Russia help the fleet
yeah, Bob McNamara WAS a truly TERRIFYING intellect,, because his "computer-like memory" COULD categorize and evaluate DOZENS of scenarios and adversarial matrix variability and all the rest...but what McNamara failed to realize was that THE WHOLE PREMISE of "balance of power" and "mutually assured destruction" IS INSANE....
McNamara, we called him the "DREAMER!" In NAVY! He fought Vietnam, with a SLIDE RULE!" He short changed Homeland security/ships, cut corners to spend for equipment in Vietnam!
Gotta love how a civilian puts an admiral in his place by reminding him that civilians don't give a damn about military 'distinction' only how actions effect them.
Not just that but 2 million Asian lives lost, 2500 still MIA some of whom were known to be taken prisoner and never came home such as Ward Dodge, Charles E Shelton and David Hrdlicka but others who were shot down and successfully ejected from their planes but were killed by irate villagers and the militia who captured them. The PAVN soldiers and militia were supposed to protect downed pilots from harm but sometimes they killed them in cold blood or if the pilots tried to escape.
Wrong Bob McNamara displays his ignorance of Naval customs going back for hundreds of years. "Firing across the bow" is understood by ALL sailors (miitary and civilian) to mean "halt and heave to." And for McNamara to assume that Kennedy, a former Navy officer, to not understand these procedures to the same extent that he himself didn't, well... McNamara was the man in charge of the Edsal project... and hundreds of World Monetary Fund loans that went belly up. That man was a King Midas in reverse ... everything he had control of, he turned into a stinking pile of shit.
Naval customs of western powers, sure. Khrushchev never served in the Navy and the goobers manning the weapons in Cuba probably didn't either. When nuclear war is on the line, you play it safe. The important thing is that Bob McNamara probably never gave this speech. This was likely written by the screenwriters and they just chose McNamara as their voice for the scene.
it is possible to brilliant in one moment in history, and totally inept in another. Look at Winston Churchill and his instincts toward Gandhi/India, as compared to Churchill's attitude toward Hitler/Nazi Germany.
Captain Lookout this is the captain go ahead look out captain Soviet Union Battleship off the port bow coming this way I don't like this XO sound General quarters make it no drill
You can pretty much thank JFK and Robert S. McNamara for why you and I exist today! You put a loose cannon, motor mouth, chest pounding, power hungry, orange haired fool with his finger on the button in such a crisis & we are all dead!
Thankfully, there were reasonable people on the Soviet side, too. We know of at least a few officers who chose to not launch, even when under pressure from their peers and with their computers falsely telling them that the U.S. had launched on them and that they needed to strike back immediately. I guess that it would take a very cold heart to issue the order to launch ICBMs, to enter the codes or to press that button. I doubt that I would be able to do it, even in retaliation. I don't know about Trump. Being hard on immigrants or talking tough against China is one thing, but starting a nuclear holocaust that would kill billions and cast humanity back to the Middle Ages is something else.
@@WG-tt6hk people tend to forget that part, and he's also the one that called back the fighters from our carriers that tried to save the USS Liberty from the Israeli attack
@@geminisixx4 You're right. Thanks for reminding me. I can imagine the carrier Captain and his pilots were pissed that they weren't allowed to do their duty. They family members of the murdered sailors were devastated when they learned that their loved ones might have been saved for want of "courage" in Washington.
That actor admiraled the shit out of that admiral role.
Dylan Baker absolutely smashes the McNamara act out of the park. It's like watching the most sophisticated, computer enhanced footage of the actual man himself.
To think he played Peter Parker/Spiderman's science professor in Spiderman 2 and 3
@Amed Tajan He was also Gus's son in Planes, Trains and Automobiles
Yo fr Dylan Baker deserves to be in more movies and TV shows
So John Paul Jones was an admiral of the US Navy and later also played bass guitar with Led Zeppelin. Wow, what a versatile dude, I'm impressed.
he had a good long life.
He also founded the Russian Navy.
@@dirkgently120 No, although I appreciate your humor. Of course the Russian navy was older than having been founded in the late 18th century. John Paul Jones did however serve in the Russian navy. That is correct.
Fuckin legend of a musician.
Hahahahaha.
How Vader would handle this situation:
“You have failed me for the last time, Admiral.”
Eh, just just another planet of FAT
The acting in this segment is fantastic.
I remember this scene and it was great. In that an militarily inexperienced business CEO is made too look like an idiot by an experienced admiral… only to flip the situation with the interpretation any non navy man would. And the consequences of that. It’s a masterful way of how opinions can be forced in any situation, business or war
I remember watching it in the cinema thinking “you idiot McNamara” then realising I was the idiot. Great scene
And the US revealing it provided the Ukraine with Intel to sink the "Moskva" is basically exactly the same.
It's communicating with Putin.
McNamara was a LCol in WWII, It's a bit odd and I wonder if this exchange happened.
@@darkrogue234 It didn't. It's still great drama though.
"This is not a blockade! This is sign language with destroyers!"
Epic
Perfect dramatization of McNamara. He was a numbers guru. Using analytics WAY before they became popular. Was part of the whiz kids - they didn't know anything about cars, but reshaped Ford Motor Co...didn't know anything about naval tactics, but knew the "language" of the blockade. Kennedy recognized very smart guys, that's why he surrounded himself with them
No entirely correct, you analysis of McNamara's pedigree translating into effective governmental service. Yes, JFK's administration comprised both 'eggheads' like McNamara, and 'brass tax', "gung-ho" military men to weigh the contrasts between the two and hence render his own decisions, based on the best advice. But McNamara, for his part is historically considered an inept failure as Secretary of Defense. He had no practical experience and 'fudged' the numbers regarding Vietnam causalities. Worst of all, his dogmatic determination to continue in this fashion, both under JFK and Johnson only served to prolong a war that they United States could not win...and he knew it! Sorry, Hollywood depictions of historical figures are largely historically inaccurate!
I somehow could not picture former U.S. Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara ever having a real bad temper as exhibited by this movie. I somehow dont think that the man was ever hot tempered, though I could be wrong. Other than that I feel that Thirteen Days was a reasonably accurate movie.
Barry Goldwater called McNamara "an IBM machine with legs."
Exactly
Absolutely. Just like Trump 😩
Terrific movie; this should be played in every school
Every school is a bit much. Maybe just Montana and Wisconsin?
It’s part of our school history course to watch the film, and for good reason. Incredible watch 👏
My dad loves that exasperated “JOHN PAUL JONES!”
Best part of the movie.
Don't piss off McNamara!!
McNamara was a complete and total treasonous jackass.
@@traviskarnes6825 yeah, but that was in Vietnam...
McNamara was a former commissioned officer in the USAF. His military experience served him well in this situation, as did some of the other cabinet members. I was born in 1953 and I watched this unfold while at my American relatives house in Bath, Maine on their black and white TV. My uncle Stan left the U.S. Army the year before and he was worried sick over this. We were all wondering if we were going to live through this, or be a statistic in the afterlife.
Lol my history teacher would always bring this scene up when John Paul Jones got mentioned for example
“Now kids you remember who did that? That’s right JOHN PUAL JONES!”
Actor nailed McNamara! Realizing he’s the only one in that room trying to prevent war must’ve been quite the feeling
In actuality, the first ship to approach the blockade was the Bucharest, a Soviet ship named after the Romanian capital.
When the Romanian communist leaders found out that the Soviets put missiles in Cuba and used a ship called Bucharest to breach the blockade they were deeply enraged.
This fury of the Romanian politbureau was made possible because of an incident involving the Romanian communist leaders flying over China in a soviet plane just a few days before the Cuban crisis began. The Romanians were convinced that the Soviets were out to eliminate them.
This was a turning point in Romanian-Soviet relations. After 1962 the Romanians had a very anti-soviet stance even though they were deeply communistic.
Love that respond from mcnamara, he basically set his two cents with that nave admiral. About time, he was tough!
Damn, can’t believe you made this comment 12 years ago. Lol, how has life been since then buddy? 😂
@N Allen Haha. Same here
He came off tough. But he was 100% WRONG. He sounded like jackass. Talking about this isn’t a blockade. It’s language the type of which the world has never seen. It’s like NO this is a blockade . Yes it’s JFK communicating with the Russians but he saying don’t fuck with us turn your nuke transports around or we got a problem.
Shit like this has been done in Naval history for centuries going back to the Roman’s and the Greeks
Did they recruit and de-age the real Bob McNamara for this role? It is one of the most accurate depictions of a historical figure I have ever seen in terms of appearance, expression and personality.
WoW you need glasses, McNamara's voice and appearance was so much different. The rest is alright.
I think this is an awesome scene from the film. That being said, it's incredible to me that J. Robert McNamara, who (at least during this crisis) stopped the U.S. from launching into a nuclear holocaust, was the chief architect of the Vietnam War. I like how the end of the film has him saying (in effect): "Well, now this gives us free reign in Southeast Asia." As if this pullback from the brink was a "victory." Thanks for posting!
I know, I was thinking that myself as I watched...how the dove became the hawk.
John Paul Jones was also an admiral in Starfleet command
Dylan Baker was incredible in this role.
A masterpiece video through and through.
Saw this years ago. Couldn't remember where it was from. Just googled "John Paul Jones monologue." Thanks for uploading.
This is language!
A new vocabulary, the likes of which the world has never seen!
This is President Biden communicating with President Putin!
Zelenskyy: Ow! Serious?
The war in Ukraine reminded me this same scene...
JOHN PAUL JONES!!!
GREAT movie.
Cant believe an Admiral would talk to the SoD like that.
Good movie and tense scene
McNamara and Admiral Anderson didn't get along together in real life. Great depiction of their relationship in this scene.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Whelan_Anderson_Jr.
The issue was that the Admiral thought that McNamara was micromanaging but, and I agree, the issue was Political not Military and the Admiral did not understand that. In any case Civilian Control of the Military has a very strong, rightfully, tradition in the U.S. so there was no doubt who was in charge.
@@johnnotrealname8168 case in point, Truman firing MacArthur
@@slowgtp Sort of. I am not sure Civilian-Control of the military was at stake.
JOHN PAUL JONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
way to go Mc Namara...!!!!!!!!
Love macnamaras sneer when jpj Is mentioned
My name is John Paul Jones, my friends all me John Paul Jones, you can call me John Paul Jones.
I served in the Army but, this scene shows why civilian control is vital. The Joint Chiefs wanted a war and the civilian administration was able to preserve peace, prevent a war, and dupe the Soviets in the process (removing obsolete missiles from Turkey that were going to be removed anyways).
One of Dan Carlin's podcast he was talking about the U.S. nuclear war plans in the 80s & 90s. These guys are like computers, very task oriented. If they're given 1000s nukes and told to put bombs on target, they will put bombs on target. All 1000 are allocated so if a city has to get hit 10 times, it gets hit 10 times. That kind of thinking is nuts to me.
I love this movie, even the cartoonish portrayal of the military, even if it ain't accurate
It probably is
McNamara was the architect of the greatest military blunder in American history. Although I love this scene, the man was pure evil.
Evil is a bit harsh. How would you have handled the situation? (Without knowing how the threat of communism would play out in preceding decades)
@@pts5217 what blunder would this be?
Yes, I am actually replying to a 12 year old comment, deal with it! :D
Well, he was dangerously wrong no doubt about it, but he both admitted the mistakes he made and seemed regretful in his later years, I think that rules out "evil". For those interested, I recommend watching this documentary: *The Fog of War (2003) - Movie Trailer* ua-cam.com/video/YONEXPMVaQM/v-deo.html&ab_channel=ImAmoderateLiberal
@@TheSaltyAdmiral they should also watch Path To War with Alec Baldwin as McNamara, Michael Gambon as LBJ and Donald Sutherland as Clark Clifford. Very good representation of the times during the buildup to,the decisions regarding the Vietnam War.
@@marcostisanifrancadanese3076 The Vietnam War
Funny to see a lot of comments loving McNamara... He also almost single handedly drove the U.S. deeper into the biggest ass kicking war defeats the U.S. ever suffered in its history, the Vietnam war
@Amed Tajan Exactly!!! Thank you. Its scary how easily people’s opinions are influenced by movies and tv...they seem to forget that these are only BASED on a true story, with tons of liberties taken.
In his 2003 documentary McNamara does admit that was a mistake.
Well, this movie is about the Cuban Missile Crisis,not Vietnam and it's showing how McNamara reacted during that time period.
MR STRATHDEE ITS ME, FROM SCHOOL!!
Maybe use xmas star shower lights?😂
Jman
This is why the President of the United States and other Secretary NCO positions are given ultimate authority. If an Admiral or General was in charge nuclear war would have happened already because under the rules of engagement they have to respond with force, no matter the consequences
I was riveted by this scene the first time I saw it and its effect remains undiminished...That concept of the Cuban missile crisis, blockade, and military and diplomatic action evolving a "new language" blew my mind... For me, it nailed the idea of how crucial it is for our leaders to try to develop a multidimensional perspective and understanding of important situations, especially at hair-trigger moments in history like this. Linear thinking and simple, direct action/reaction have their place but -- as with all things -- in the wrong context, they can lead to extreme and dangerous, irreversible consequences.
Before nuclear weapons, it may well have been possible to strong-arm a bully into submission with manageable risk (notice I didn't say who the bully was here?)...That kind of schoolyard tactic among superpowers evaporated with the advent of nuclear weapons and the Damocles sword of Armageddon. The scale of potential consequences utterly dwarfs anything that might be gained from "big stick" threats and militaristic swagger.
The people who believe that the Russian placement of nukes in Belarus is "all bark, no bite" and is merely chest-puffing bluster might do well to consider this.
My family was there in real life on a U.S. Navy ship At the time
If McNamara was so smart, then how comes he helped get us into the Nam?
He resigned in 1967 or 68 because he lost confidence in Johnson
Dylan Baker 🔥🔥🧨🤘🤘
FLARES!!!
LED ZEPPLIN BRING ME HERE
??? What?
*I understand that reference.gif*
I was in the navy when this movie was released. My roommate and I snuck into this movie after the movie we paid for finished. Fell asleep because it was boring and woke up near the end. When he told I missed an admiral get chewed out I was very disappointed.
Isn't ironic that one of the generals so hardly pushed for military confrontation during crisis was Curtis le May himself*?..
* a guy who send requisition to Los Alamos for 100 nuclear bombs so he could turn Japan in to nuclear desert for another five centuries.
+Przemyslaw Kuszynski Nope, some people only know one word.
Attack.
+Przemyslaw Kuszynski Le May was a real asshole unfortunately...It's good that Kennedy kept him in his place. Imagine someone like Trump in a situation like that...WWIII guaranteed.
Daryl Dixon, reading what you wrote ten months ago, a month and a half after the inauguration of djt. Apparently the people who imagined djt in a situation like that didn't vote. VOTE in 2018! VOTE in 2020!
his nickname was bombs away lemay
I wouldn't say that's ironic, so much as spot on.
McNamara sounds like Sylvester The Cat in the “Looney Tunes” cartoons.
As you can see, I was not firing *on* the ship, now was I
0:41 "Grozny, Grozny, this is the Destroyer Pierce of the United States of America. Do you read[🇷🇺]?"
0:47 "Grozny, Grozny, this is the Destroyer Pierce of the United States of America. Do you read[🇷🇺]?"
@123456RaulMorales Thank you for that. My Russian is basic at the moment.
Mcnamera was a human computer super smart.
McNamara was a mathematics major.
Macnamara will get the last laugh once the zombies invade.
bob shows the admiral who's the boss
What blunder was that?
What was that Russian interpreter saying to the Pierce
0:44 *"Krisco" from 'Act of Valor'*
lol WHAT!?!?!?!
Isn’t that the dude who picked up Steve Martin and John Candy in the pickup to take them to the train?
they musf of lost jonesy phone number, forgot to ring him
@tlibber, I don't think McNamara was the chief architect of the Vietnam War
@Amed Tajan It was more complex than that. The USSR and China backed up N Vietnam. There was no crystal ball to use and see how communism would play out. The War was already underway at that point
Invitational rethoric.🇺🇸🇨🇳💣⚽😀
Dude, they gave the Soviets like five seconds to respond. 🤦♂️
John Paul Jones was an Admiral of the US Navy then he was also an Admiral in the Russian Navy the Czar of Russia gave him a field Commission in the Russian Navy as Admiral the Emperor of Russia ask John Paul Jones to come to Russia help the fleet
I woulda said,, "YOU ARE RELIEVED,, Admiral,, MP's ,, ARREST the admiral please?"
I would say that you are a moron.
What does the bass player from Led Zeppelin have to do with the cuban missile crisis?
McNamara was arguably the worst SECDEF we ever had, the mistakes he made and his arrogance did damage that lingers to this day
yeah, Bob McNamara WAS a truly TERRIFYING intellect,, because his "computer-like memory" COULD categorize and evaluate DOZENS of scenarios and adversarial matrix variability and all the rest...but what McNamara failed to realize was that THE WHOLE PREMISE of "balance of power" and "mutually assured destruction" IS INSANE....
But, MAD was what was working, at the time.
So basically Robert McNamara saved the human race
No. He just thinks he did.
Unless you think the Soviets are too dumb to figure out what a flare is.
no but Kennedy and Khrushchev together may have.
McNamara, we called him the "DREAMER!" In NAVY! He fought Vietnam, with a SLIDE RULE!" He short changed Homeland security/ships, cut corners to spend for equipment in Vietnam!
what a bad-ass demonstration of civil supremacy over military LOL
Gotta love how a civilian puts an admiral in his place by reminding him that civilians don't give a damn about military 'distinction' only how actions effect them.
It was called Vietnam. Just a little thing. 58,000 American dead, hundreds of thousands wounded. That blunder.
Not just that but 2 million Asian lives lost, 2500 still MIA some of whom were known to be taken prisoner and never came home such as Ward Dodge, Charles E Shelton and David Hrdlicka but others who were shot down and successfully ejected from their planes but were killed by irate villagers and the militia who captured them. The PAVN soldiers and militia were supposed to protect downed pilots from harm but sometimes they killed them in cold blood or if the pilots tried to escape.
Wrong Bob McNamara displays his ignorance of Naval customs going back for hundreds of years.
"Firing across the bow" is understood by ALL sailors (miitary and civilian) to mean "halt and heave to."
And for McNamara to assume that Kennedy, a former Navy officer, to not understand these procedures to the same extent that he himself didn't, well... McNamara was the man in charge of the Edsal project... and hundreds of World Monetary Fund loans that went belly up. That man was a King Midas in reverse ... everything he had control of, he turned into a stinking pile of shit.
Naval customs of western powers, sure. Khrushchev never served in the Navy and the goobers manning the weapons in Cuba probably didn't either. When nuclear war is on the line, you play it safe.
The important thing is that Bob McNamara probably never gave this speech. This was likely written by the screenwriters and they just chose McNamara as their voice for the scene.
it is possible to brilliant in one moment in history, and totally inept in another. Look at Winston Churchill and his instincts toward Gandhi/India, as compared to Churchill's attitude toward Hitler/Nazi Germany.
McNamara is in hell after vietnam.
Lord, have mercy!
the flares worked though, they turned around...just sayin
We went from these threats to now having “micro aggressions” when you mispronounce someone’s gender.
Captain Lookout this is the captain go ahead look out captain Soviet Union Battleship off the port bow coming this way I don't like this XO sound General quarters make it no drill
You can pretty much thank JFK and Robert S. McNamara for why you and I exist today! You put a loose cannon, motor mouth, chest pounding, power hungry, orange haired fool with his finger on the button in such a crisis & we are all dead!
Oh liberal pussy
Thankfully, there were reasonable people on the Soviet side, too. We know of at least a few officers who chose to not launch, even when under pressure from their peers and with their computers falsely telling them that the U.S. had launched on them and that they needed to strike back immediately. I guess that it would take a very cold heart to issue the order to launch ICBMs, to enter the codes or to press that button. I doubt that I would be able to do it, even in retaliation. I don't know about Trump. Being hard on immigrants or talking tough against China is one thing, but starting a nuclear holocaust that would kill billions and cast humanity back to the Middle Ages is something else.
You can also thank Mr. McNamara as on of the SOBs who got us into Vietnam and put 50,000 + names on a wall in Washington D.C.
@@WG-tt6hk people tend to forget that part, and he's also the one that called back the fighters from our carriers that tried to save the USS Liberty from the Israeli attack
@@geminisixx4 You're right. Thanks for reminding me. I can imagine the carrier Captain and his pilots were pissed that they weren't allowed to do their duty. They family members of the murdered sailors were devastated when they learned that their loved ones might have been saved for want of "courage" in Washington.
JOHN PAUL JONES!!
Ahrgg e maties!
way to go Mc Namara...!!!!!!!
JOHN PAUL JONES ! !