Thirteen Days : Deleted Scenes (Kevin Costner, Bruce Greenwood, Steven Culp)
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- Опубліковано 1 лис 2021
- I love true stories, i love history, i was a history major in college, so this one i really dig. I hope you do too. This is about the Cuban Missile crisis for those of you not familiar with the movie. i dont get paid to do anything you see in my videos ......i just do this as a hobby ...........thanks for watching !!
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The part where Bobby sends the "Tojo" note was magnificent and highly thought-provoking. I can't remember if it was deleted in the final cut but, if it was, that was a mistake. Real life records show that Jack and Bobby weren't like the others in EXCOMM. Though they were patriots, they didn't see the world in black-and-white lenses and they understood the problem of pre-emptive. They understood that the survival of the postwar global order rested on both superpowers resisting the urge to pull a Poland '39 or a Pearl Harbor. Proxy wars? Fine. Deniable action? Sure. Direct confrontation? Never. It's as relevant now as it's even been.
That is an excellent and relevant observation thank you.
And it really did happen, although not as a note passed to Jack. Bobby wrote in his memoir Thirteen Days that they conversed briefly after this meeting and he told him "Now I know how Tojo felt planning Pearl Harbor." But how they played it in the film is a great touch, just shows the viewers how open the two brothers really are.
That was a brilliant note. Any Poli Sci major and history buff knows exactly what he meant.
Great movie movie with powerful performances from greenwood,Costner,and the actor that played Bobby Kennedy was spot on.
i thought overall there accents were really very good, that is not easy lol, thanks for watching!
This movie should have gotten a sequel 13 months later in Dallas same actors showing how they all reacted to JFK's assassination from Friday to Monday "Four Days in November" it would have been perfect everyone was so good in their roles.
write the script, become famous :) now would be a great time , thanks for watching!
Might be unbearable for Kevin Costner’s character. Kenny O’Donnell was never the same after Dallas.
Deleted scenes always make me angry. Don't delete them!
I agree but, a movie in the theater can only be so long. 2 hour films can be shown way more often per day than 3 hour or more epic films and therefore make more money.
The "Tojo" note was GREATLY brilliant!
Bruce Greenwood was pretty good at playing Kennedy.
I agree. I was six years-old while the Cuban Missile Crisis was ongoing. I remember watching President Kennedy's address to the nation on the matter. Bruce Greenwood's performance in Thirteen Days fits my impression of President Kennedy when I was so young.
I wrote to JFK as a child and got a signed response from Kenneth O'Donnell that I keep with 13 DAYS poster signed by COSTNER and cast...
thats sweet !!
If JFK would have caved in to the Hawks none of us would be around to tell them they were wrong definitely JFK's finest hour
If I were in charge of the History Channel I would have paid for a director's cut of Thirteen Days and have it run on the History Channel
I love this movie.
Very interesting. I love the movie. Thanks for sharing!
I don't care what anyone says, I thought Kevin's accent was perfect for this movie...
he did a better job than the other guys with the accent, in my opinion, he was the best at that in this movie, hard to believe at times this was real......hope it never happens again but lately im not so sure , but thanks for watching while we still have the internet lol
Very entertaining movie, but not historically accurate. As President Kennedy’s Appointments Secretary, Kenneth O’Donnell would have had an extremely minor role, if any role at all. After former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara saw the movie, one of his first comments was “Kenny O’Donnell wasn’t involved”.
i agree, not completely accurate, thats par for the course in Hollywood "most" of the time. thanks for watching!
That was just O'Donnell's title. In fact, as part of the 'Irish Mafia' he had a much larger and more important/influential role that mere 'appointments secretary.'
The "Dean Acheson is holding for you" scene should have definitely stayed. As should the follow up scene with the reporter wanting his 30 minutes on the flight home. Both scenes were quick, but gave context.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS
you are very welcome !!
@@ghostsofVTurbexSkysthelimitvid just want to ask po the dvd versions have some special features like behind the scenes or interviews?
@@yanihamandcheese4870 yeah, there is a bunch more of stuff on the dvd, its infinifilm w/ all access pass features, i can put some more of this up if you want me to, it says cast and crew filmographies, so im guessing all of what you are looking for, plus some cuban millsile crisis documentary and more, but that is not like cast interviews or behind the scenes, not sure exactly , but i will take a look this morning and see what else i can do, but love the movie ! thanks for watching !
@@ghostsofVTurbexSkysthelimitvid thank youuu so muuuuuch ❤️ did a research about the whole cuban missile crisis and cold war thing as homework before and this is one of my favorite movies. Thank you for all the efforts, really appreciate iiiittt
@@yanihamandcheese4870 no behind the scenes, but the documentaries are pretty good will put out the "leaders" clip with castro, Kruschev, and Kennedy. there is also a huge 48 min docuvid on the cuban missile crisis, but im not sure i can put out that much, but i will see about maybe putting that out in 3 parts , but its an aquired taste and not everyone digs it, but history needs to be remembered, or we relive the mistakes. more coming :)
Bruce Greenwood was the best JFK he ever portrayed!
He looked , more than a little bit, like JFK when Bruce played Thomas Veil in "Nowhere Man" . under certain lighting conditions, I nearly fell off my chair when I noticed it.
Bruce is the best Kennedy I’ve ever seen.
I love this movie
I’d LOVE to imagine a joint meeting of the US AND Soviet Joint Chiefs Of Staff AFTER the crisis ended. I’d imagine that they’d BOTH be able to “feel each other’s pain” as they BOTH felt as though they’d been sold out for the proverbial thirty pieces of silver by their political leaders.
all i can picture is the movie Dr. Stranglove lol, whats up with that :) thanks for watching !
@@ghostsofVTurbexSkysthelimitvid GREAT movie TOO, ESPECIALLY where Slim Pickens aka Major Kong, USAF was concerned!!!
Perhaps off point here yet that was one gorgeous Breezeway Mercury Costner rode around in. Brand new during The Crisis.
when it comes to movie opinions , nothing is off point lol, thanks for watching !
yeah, that car was a beauty
A scary movie, if there ever was one☠
Some of these scenes weren't deleted from the original theatrical run 😒
The reporter is clearly meant to be Scotty Reston but got downgraded for the final movie, his scenes get cut down and he is referred to only as "Johnny."
at 7:25 I hear the same music as from the Thin Red Line can someone help me make the connection did they reuse the track?
i dont recognize it, but probably😅😁
@@ghostsofVTurbexSkysthelimitvid ua-cam.com/video/H7txnRXMl-4/v-deo.html I think I found it let me know what you think -- thx for replying :)
What's the watch JFK (Bruce Greenwood) wears in this movie?
Not sure actually but he often had a rectangular Omega of gold in his wrist
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Yes, I know that. But I'm asking about which watch the actor wears in the movie.
They were using music from last of the Mohicans and the thin red line, I didn’t hear any of that in the actual movie.
These are rough cut scenes shown only to the director and producers with the music director adding any music they have on hand just to set the mood desired. The real musical score is added last during final editing.
@@MrFlyboy1313 Thanks
not all the scenes are deleted
then it looks like we got lucky :) lol, cause if i cut out anything its because they were used , somewhere.
Well some parts were omitted while the overall scenes remained intact.
@@reidtyndall4953 they are cslled extended scenes
It's really hard to portray the military industrial complex railroading the administration into war like this movie does.
Costner should have never been tasked with nor attempted a New England accent. He didn't pull it off well. It actually takes away from his usual great acting, because it was probably a subconscious yet conscious distraction. It would have been enough just to have two Kennedys evoking the accent.
With 60 years of foresight, it's clear now that Khrushchev would have NEVER went nuclear over US military action in Cuba. We now know that Khrushchev:
1) gave specific orders for Soviet forces to use any and all means necessary to defend Cuba EXCEPT the nukes (whether these orders actually got to a certain, now-famous Soviet submarine is a different matter)
2) rebuffed Castro's personal request to pre-emptively nuke America (much to Fidel's chagrin)
3) stated in his memoirs that, in principle, he was against putting the safety and welfare of the Russian people at risk over a far away country with a relatively low strategic value
4) meant for the nukes to be a deterrent to war, NOT a cause of war - which it was quickly becoming
5) was unable to build up a sufficient military and nuclear presence in Cuba in time to be able to successfully defend it because of early detection and the resulting blockade
5.5) was, in any case, unwilling to commit massive military and nuclear resources to Cuba at the expense of the European theater where US and NATO military activity had increased in response to Cuba
6) was increasingly worried over the US going to DEFCON 2 worldwide, which was a far greater reaction than expected
7) ABOVE ALL, was increasingly worried over the ambiguity surrounding US intentions (or, at least, his perception of US intentions), especially after Kennedy's TV address
So the hawks conceivably could have had their way and there wouldn't have been a nuclear war over it, even if Soviet personnel were killed in the crossfire. Castro could have been overthrown. the missiles destroyed, and Cuba converted into a democratic, capitalist state. But, to be fair, hindsight is 20/20. It was safer in Kennedy's eyes to play it cool and use diplomacy in a situation that was difficult to judge at the time and with limited communication channels with the reds. And, in the end, the lack of a US invasion paved the way for the success, legitimacy, and longevity of postwar diplomacy and the rules-based global order.
How does that square with the fact that there were tactical nuked on Cuba and repeated claims that local commanders had release authority. If US had invaded they would have defended with nukes, and it is not hard to imagine what would have followed.
@@mryhdy6266 1) Khrushchev gave very specific orders not to use the nukes stationed in theater, even if Cuba was under attack. They were transmitted through official channels. Look it up.
2) Cuban commanders obviously had no powers either, it was never their call.
3) Disobeying Kremlin orders was a serious capital offense, especially for commanders in charge of nukes within the strict hierarchy of Soviet military command. If someone somehow went rogue, Khrushchev most likely would have folded and that commander would most likely have been executed. Accounts of commanders like Vasily Aleksandrovich Arkhipov would prove that Soviet officers were more keen to prevent rather than to start a nuclear exchange at the time. Look him up as well.
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i am aware of Arkhipov and the discipline in the armed forces. Of course one may question the truthfulness of his memoir, after all, he was a self serving politician..
@@mryhdy6266 4) Although there were indeed tactical nukes delivered with the intent to stop/deter an American invasion, Russian officials revealed after the Cold War that only 162 nuclear weapons were deployed in Cuba, which was far less than they planned for a "successful" deterrent force, and some but not all of them were operational. See, the nuclear deployment was part of a clandestine plan codenamed "Anadyr" that had only started in July of that year at Castro's invitation. By October, the deployment was stillborn: some of the weapons were ready, but most were not by the time the blockade kicked in. The U-2 flights had detected them too early, putting the Soviets in a "use them or lose them" position. Khrushchev and the Soviet military knew there were perhaps enough nukes to defend Cuba, but not enough to also fight the anticipated all-out nuclear exchange that would ensue. As the Soviets stated later, this was the impetus for the tripling of the Soviet nuclear weapons stockpile that followed in the 60s and 70s. Khrushchev knew he was outgunned and was not in a position where he could find a favorable outcome for the Soviet Union with a nuclear option.
5) There are no valid claims of release authority given to Soviet commanders in theater *after* Khrushchev's no-use order. Perhaps before, but not after. The word of the Kremlin trumps all.
As for Khrushchev being a self-serving politician? Perhaps. But, post-coup and living under virtual house arrest in his late-70s, what did he have to gain or lose from revealing that he called off nuclear orders in his memoirs? He had zero influence left domestically and abroad, no ambition to change that. What pride or ego he had evaporated during the coup. He wasn't under duress from the Kremlin in the Brezhnev-era of détente. He wasn't defecting and had no intentions to please the West - his lifelong enemy. There's isn't a reason for him to lie about Cuba.
6) By all accounts, the crisis was not highly reported by the media in the Soviet Union compared to the hysteria in the US. Khrushchev would lose little in the way of political power or public support if he folded or even let the US invade. The media would just bury it like they buried the withdrawal of the missiles.
That was real? I saw the movie; I thought it was bullshit.
yes, all based on factual accounts, it could be hard to believe this was real for sure, it was a crazy time, we may relive it , rutro
Cocksuckers moved nuclear warheads into Cuba, pointed them right at us!
@@ghostsofVTurbexSkysthelimitvid for your reference: ua-cam.com/video/vszF0MdfWIk/v-deo.html
if i were in Kennedy's shoes (and this is just my thinking so don't read too much into it) i would have gone with a military strategy that goes in this order...
1. launch a limited preemptive strike on cuba using no more than 24-30 or our landbased ICBMs targeting the missile sites, large troop barracks, coastal defences and sea ports.
2. scramble any and all of our long range fighter and bomber forces to ensure that in case russia retaliates (and they more than likely would have)
3. find and destroy any submarines they might have patrolling the sea around cuba.
4. send our ground troops into cuba (provided that most if not all of the russian short range tactical nuclear missiles have been destroyed) to eliminate whatever remains of any russian troops.
so a war?
Nuclear war would start dude
And of course, if we missed one, just ONE of their missiles, Washington DC, New York, or Chicago wouldn't be around anymore.
Your probably one of the same warmongers who want President Biden to deploy first line infrantry into Ukraine 🇺🇦 and air cover shooting war against Russia which would most likely lead to WW3. Armchair generals. Gotta love em
In this case, I'm very relieved that is was John F Kennedy in John F Kennedy's shoes.