I imagine the star map only shows "inhabitable" planets. Every planet that can be visited in Helldivers is a terrestrial planet, not Jovian planets like gas giants. This would explain why Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune are not there. As for Mercury and Venus, they are far too hot to maintain human life. Planets like Hellmire are hot, but civilians can walk out without protection just fine so it must be cool enough to support human life. That would explain why there is only Earth and Mars available on the map. This doesn't necessarily disprove your theory, but I think it is important to consider.
The mere fact that every living thing doesn't immediately start burning alive the second it enters Hellmire's atmosphere is evidence enough that it's nowhere near as hot as Venus.
Bro. Just look at what happens. You get tossed into the air and not die. Supposedly, armor would be enough, but that is no sense. Live on mars come back to earth and break your bones. Getting thrown up into the sky on mars as a mars dude means getting hurt, but someone from earth can handle stuff. So if you are from a high gravity world, your bones will dense and your muscles too. You will be strong but not so massive, because your body would hate that. You would get a sleapee build. You would have more mass and be heeavier and made fir hogh gravity world, so anime running and jumping make no sense, but add armor, and you can tossed and not die.
@@ОттоГагеншплянген The end of the modern series forms a loop with the origins in the old series; the new colonies become the old colonies which fall & venture afar to found new colonies where old colonies used to be. Did I get that wrong?
The problem I find is that if you look at super earth in helldivers 2 you can see the continents of old earth and it is EXTREMELY rare for a planet to have same tectonic plates, continents and same characteristics.
this is the part of the theory i find funny, because although i totally agree that it's rare: rare is still better than 0% chance, and there's a 0% chance of being on the same earth that once blew up. now of course im acting a little willingly blind when i say that, because im sure the devs didnt really think about it this way, but its hard to argue against earth blowing up 😂
@@redblackgaming what if we settled another planet and named it Super Earth which then got blown up in HD1 so we had to return to old Earth after and rebuild it with all the since the exodus developed tech and scientific progress? i mean its just much a shot into the blue like the "Super Earth is an Idea rather than one specific planet" idea, i like both tbh ^^
Ngl chief I dont think they its likely to find a planet with the exact same features as earth like how you outta say "Oh well theres a chance" brother theres a chance you dad come back aint mean that happening
But defeat is non canon in the first game becuas when you win or lose it just resets so to me it made sence that losing is non canon where as winning is canon or did i get it wrong
Tbf, in game we can't see super Earth in enough detail to tell continents. At least none of the times I've seen it from the ship. The only places we can see continents are on the planet itself on the map which is just a holographic projection and maybe the intro which is just a propaganda commercial. That said, it is still supposed to just be earth. Like I 100% believe there is no conspiracy here. It is just lovely old terra through and through. Just stating that the only 2 places we can actually see the continents are both biased and inclined to show them as they would be expected to be.
I do think that super earth is the real earth, since its map looks very similar to our own world, granted they could theoretically terraform each "new earth" to look like the old one, but why would they also add the great war wasteland zones that cover a good portion of several continents?
good point - perhaps that was the map of the first earth? im not sure at what point in the actual game that map appears (but hopefully it appears in a manner that doesn't conflict with this theory 😂)
Bro. Just look at what happens. I will adress your claim soon You get tossed into the air and not die. Supposedly, armor would be enough, but that is no sense. Live on mars come back to earth and break your bones. Getting thrown up into the sky on mars as a mars dude means getting hurt, but someone from earth can handle stuff. So if you are from a high gravity world, your bones will dense and your muscles too. You will be strong but not so massive, because your body would hate that. You would get a sleapee build. You would have more mass and be heeavier and made fir hogh gravity world, so anime running and jumping make no sense, but add armor, and you can tossed and not die. You know thats a trope right? In warhammer fantasy, its actually scoence fiction and so e space amphibians made a planet with a auper continent have a part that looked like america but attatched to a bunch of stuff. Also, the world might be bigger. A halo ring has and america continent In fact, america continents and all the failures shapes is not as uncommon as you might think. Your supposed to make planets randomly look like Americanor earth, so i dont see why a satire people wouldn't do this. Like, are moral cant break now becuase we shaped a whole planet into democrasy itself, and such an act was so hard and required so mich focus, intent, strength, that the success and act will leave us with high patriotism forevver regardless of what missfortunes happen our way.
Actually the large Oceans are a factor why our Planet is habitable. The majority, like 70%, of Oxygen in our Atmosphere is dispersed by Algae in the Ocean, Forests play a minor, though not insignificant role in binding CO2 and releasing O2. Also the Constant diffusion of Water vapor into the Atmosphere from these big bodies of water to form Clouds and subsequently make Weather, is what forms a habitable climate.
My argument for why only a select few Planets are shown, is that they are the habitable planets of their system. Everytime you do an FTL jump to a planet, it always says ''The (Planet) System''
Tbh argument 1 and 2 aren't enough on their own, the second one especially because Helldivers 2 does not show the actual solar systems, only the worlds we are fighting over. The third one is the only one that could potentially be feasible but this is not that strong evidence, sorry it's a fun theory but we need more stuff.
I have a feeling this was only in HD1 as they would frequently restart the galactic map and it would make sense super earth was gone and instead of the devs just going "oh that never happened" instead they gave the reasoning we will come back or what not.
@@redblackgaming from what I know these galactic wars never took longer than around 40-50 days, that was Basicly the Play Loop with Victory or defeats. So it Happened a lot in both ways I belive.
@@redblackgamingwe lost super earth, they restart. We win all 3 wars, we go colonize other galaxies, interstellar map restarts as well, or am i misunderstanding your question?
You wouldn't have 2 planets with the same continents. The only reason mars is the only other planet is mars is that its the only other colonized planet in the sol system. Do you really think that each one of the planets we see in the same sector are in the same system? Mars and Earth are probably the only 2 planets on the galactic map that exist in the same system. To support this I would like to point out that no 2 planets in the same sector elsewhere seem to be orbiting the same stars. One planet will orbit a brown dwarf and the next one an apparent blue supergiant. You see plenty of planets in the skies of the worlds we drop on yet none of them appear in the galactic map. The map only shows colonized worlds and their proximity to one another. The original helldivers had multiple replays of the same war with different endings. From what I understand sometimes the war would end in earth's destruction and sometimes its would be victorious. In order for helldivers II to be lore accurate, the writers assume the cannon ending was that Super Earth was victorious. That is why all the land masses and continents and countries are the same. For example Greenland and Great Britain are now a wasteland and Sweden is now basically leading the planet. The reason for that is that the game is made in Sweden so why not talk up your home country. I think all these things are explained to my satisfaction.
Also Earth is in the center of the galaxy earth is not at the center and the real center of the galaxy is a black hole so maybe super Earth is really a super dison sphere
All three points are somewhat accurate, but they feel like stretched First point: yeah they never told that those are the same planet, but in hd2 there is a reference map of super earth (uploaded by pilestedt), showing an almost exact map of earth with forests and jungles on the same locations, other than cities; and some areas are also labelled as "Last great War wasteland zones" probably referring to the first galactic war. I feel like actual proof like this map from AH is better than assumptions based on silence Second point: as someone else in the comments suggested, the planets shown are only habitable earth-like planets Third point: i don't know if that count.. super earth did blow up many times during the events of hd1 since the game basically restarted or something like that. There are multiple occasions where humanity won the war and the 100 years of peace started and occasions where humanity lost and super earth blew up... it's a fairly old game (2015) /so at some point the devs and the gm probably gave the players a chance to win or lose sometime/ edit: this is false as there were no gms in the first game, just an algorithm that replays a cycle, and the canon ending is us winning the galactic war (no earth bum bum) I belive that super earth and old earth are the same planet, the sectors outside sol system are purely fiction so there isn't much backing up with comparison. Now that we have a black hole in the galaxy we could use that as an orientation point
There are multiple endings in helldivers, it might be a reset, wich would make sense, and the planet map only had habitable planets, also new stolckholm doesn't mean Stockholm is destroyed, new york existes simultaniously with york.
@@redblackgaming Yes, there's one for Galactic War Victory (When all enemy factions are defeated) and other for Defeat (When super earth gets lost to one of the three factions) then it resets the war from beginning in both cases
I want to say that it makes sense for them to call it Old Earth in that cutscene cause this old earth just fucking exploded. Not so Super when you're dead are you? They are probably just referring to Super Earth as Old Earth since its gone from their perspective.
i see what you're saying - even super earths can be considered old earths, whereas in the video i am suggesting they mean original earth in any case the point stands
I agree with most of it, except for "The Solar Sysytem is different" bit. Dont get me wrong, you got a good theory and it actually makes sense but this argument about the Solar System weakens it, you see, everytime we start a mission the Destroyer's computer informs us "Entering Angel's Venture SYSTEM", so I guess Super Earth wants to control not only whatever System it is but all the surrounding area. Still on that issue, we have only Earth (super? old?) and Mars, but the rest of Solar System's planets aren't very hospitable, from Jupiter to Neptune there's only gas giants, Mercury is too damn close to the sun and Venus is a literal hell. Again, i think you're right, especially bc of the HD1 lore bit showing Earth literally exploding to bits and General Whatshisname stating theres an Old Earth. Nonetheless, great vid.
thanks for the compliment! and yes, that's a good point about the solar system. i am now convinced that we only see planets worth seeing, as you and others have pointed out.
Many sources in game presumes that first galactic war was won (so losing cutscene is althistory and old earth is refered to the planet that just got destroyed) and intergalactic travel isn't present for some reason. So it's Milky Way (though I don't remember if it ever was mentioned) and the same Earth. Funny thing that capital of Super Earth is Stockholm as emblem is centered to it, in HD1 it's centered on North Pole just like UN logo.
Guys, I found a video of a Helldiver comrade where he leaves his ship thanks to a Bug on Super Earth and it is clearly seen that there is a second moon
What if humans left the earth after the great war due to contamination and found a new home, but in the process they encountered various new races and lost their new home to them and had to return to the old contaminated planet to clean it as much as possible and set up forbidden zones?
thank you my man! ive had other successful channels earlier that havent done well so ive made a bunch of videos but none of them have ever seen success
pretty sure thousands of citizens and the colony members would eventually question as to why coordinates for super earth are different coordinates and why some cities are being rebuilt etc when they were already constructed, this is a nice theory and all but it just has too many flaws, since you based it on helldivers 1 which wasn't a live service like helldivers 2, that game over screen is personalized to each party of 4, you fail it only affects you at least i think so, its based on a DIRECTION the story CAN go, i think if the day comes (i hope not) that super earth gets invaded in hd2, we'd fight our way back from that sector .. i doubt the planet would just blow up, that'd probably just be a failed major order, but since its just one planet we'd all be completing those so the chances of even that happening would be really REALLY low.. in short: its nice and all but its far fetched... one thing i noticed too in the video seems to indicate that you look at the galactic map as a system map, each planet on that map is IT'S own or IN it's own system, super earth seems to be the exception as the sector it's located in seems to be the sol system but for other sectors we notice different stars etc for planets within their same sectors, we can easily assume other planets of the sol system were never intended to be a place we can go to as they probably serve no real purpose, mars is the training facility and super earth is super earth which we all fight for, a goal to protect, i don't think we'd be fighting off automaton ships at Jupiter station or some crap (i though i'd love some halo reach like space combat..)
thanks for the detailed comment! can you elaborate or rephrase your last point about the sectors - im not sure i understood. specifically I dont understand the part about different stars in different sectors
@@redblackgaming i meant that each planet is in its own system with the exception of the sol system which IS a sector and a system, there's a difference.
Fun video but there is a canon map of Earth which shows the landmasses still suffering from the original world war 3, and the ingame maps only show visitable locations in systems.
SE didn't lose the first galactic war in canon. Yes, there's a way to see it blow up in HD1, but that's just so the game can reset and have players still play. It's why victory against the factions also reset, so that way people can still play the videogame.
So.. the solar system isn't the same. But planets around are? What if.. when super earth blows up, we just engineer one of the other planets of the solar system to become new super earth, using scifi technology (although likely much more advanced than what is shown in helldivers) to move it to a good orbit, enlarge/shrink it to size and change whatever elements needed. So in essence, we've used up most of the solar system already woth only mars left as a backup. So two more lost super earths and we either need to relocate or we need to start moving planets into the solar system.
the star map only shows habitable planets, proved by the presence of plants and water on every single one. and helldivers 1 had multiple endings in the bad ending super earth explodes as you said in the good canon ending the bugs are used for e7110, the bots are decentralised and the illuminate are disarmed and technology stolen. i think the good ending is cannon because in the recent order to destroy a planet we use old illuminate technology to do so proof: ua-cam.com/video/blJFwdMzkxo/v-deo.htmlsi=1T6MHIgWeVKBxMsg ua-cam.com/video/g2ItuOe3DMY/v-deo.htmlsi=Q3x89xUWDwYE38M8
@@redblackgaming my point is that if we didn’t win the first galactic war we wouldn’t have the technology to destroy meridia, but we did edit: thank you
this theory falls apart when you realize everything you can't visit ingame (such as planets incapable of having life & moons) doesn't show up in the Map.
Makes a lot of sense a paragraph sense, I'm going to be a subscriber and I will be looking forward to more content I'm definitely going to be looking at the solar system in a new light from now
I guess itʻs because the gameʻs release date is the same date as the war starts, the battles we did in game moves the gameʻs story more. Plus it came out in 2024 and the game is “2224” gives it more of the connection
I mean why is there no sun is my biggest question? Does Super Earth fill the spot of the missing sun and somehow has a power of attraction over other planets?
No shit it is a different planet. Embarrassing. It looks different and has a different name. Super Earth has almost no large bodies of water on it. In fail conditions in HD1, they say they are going to find a new super earth and keep up the fight. Regarding the rest of the solar system not on the galactic map, that you are over thinking. The galactic map doesn't show every moon, star, and planet on it anywhere.
I had this theory that the Galaxy is not the entire Milky Way but just the Orion Spur (Earth is there), if Super Earth is always moving this would make sense, Super Earth might want to hide their past defeats and make it look like the galaxy is smaller so Old Earth or past Super Earths cannot be traced. I came with this theory because the Galactic map is ridiculously small and makes no sense with Super Earth being in the center, if it's because they couldn't put so many planets then limit them map to be the Known Galaxy or just a galactic spur like Battletech did.
So is the story of HD1 linear then? I thought it depended on player performance and there's just ending slides for each outcome, kind of like fallout. Every ending being possible doesn't mean they happened so Fallout, kind of assumed the same for HD1 but someone correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think Super Earth has ever lost or been destroyed before: John Pilestedt uploaded a map of Super Earth and the continents and oceans are the exact same as regular Earth. But the mention of "Old Earth" is very interesting/odd of them to include in HD1.
If Super Earth lost the First Galactic War, than why did the Illuminate get nearly eradicated, why would the Cyborgs get enslaved, and why would nearly ALL Terminids be put into E-710 farms!? And besides, The destruction of Super Earth was the bad ending, not the cannon ending
@@weasel003gaming7 „The Great Galactic War“ is a chosen series of events from the first few that the devs use as canon, technically only „one“ war was fought, and our wins and failures in helldivers 1 are basically just a timeline reset
Super earth is earth because the propaganda shows current world map plus the nuclear waste zones. also Andromeda system is shown. most like because each system is galaxies with planets that people can Live on. the game even states Menkent and hellmire were in the procress of being terraformed sense 3 planets from the first game are jungle gardens and no longer Deserts. meaning super earth has to get resources from these planets. as stated
it only shows habitable planets. and unless you'd somehow make me believe that super-earth terraformed an entire planet to look just like earth, then I'm still gonna be doubting this argument. super-earth has also been stated to be the new name for earth as it was renamed.
so super earth is located in the sol system yet its blown up before. so they found a new super earth and they didn't call it new sol system. now here is a theory, what if the mars is indeed our mars from the original earth system. so what if we are moving planets to the spot we had earth in before. which is why they did rename the system because it the same system
or hell divers have special maps that only show captured planets and enemy lines.You wouldn’t put an Arby’s on a civil war map because it doesn’t give any advantage.How would Pluto be a tactical advantage in fighting enemies that are in a different system.The point is the reason the other planets aren’t on the map is because they don’t have any effect on the conflict
While hell divers 2 does follow a single war where everyone makes a difference helldivers 1 could be played by a few dozen people playing a campaign. So no even if they lost their wars super earth was never destroyed in the cannon.
I thought the fact that its called "super" earth made it clear that it wasn't our solar system? I always figured it was either an alternative universe or this is humanity in the future after it migrated to another galaxy or part of our galaxy. We call certain planets "super earths" because we think that their conditions are similar to that of earth but their size is larger than earth. I thought super earth was one of those planets that humans ended up settling on in the game's world.
So another I looked up and I’d like your input on, (I did subscribe too lol) they do state it is the Milky Way galaxy. Also about A war lost ending a lot of people in 2015 or 2018 were stating they received this ending even after winning a war and that it was bugged. Could that have just been a prepped ending if lost? Either way that ending highly supports your theory. Otherwise I love this theory that Super Earth is an idea. It literally could solve replay ability. Truly a great vid, maybe the ministry have tampered with history or even what year it actually is. Looking forward to more vids!!
i actually did not know that, so thanks for looking into it. i actually don't have much to say about that other than the fact that it does indeed help my theory, so thanks again. and thanks for the sub! means a lot
Yeah it’s definitely an inaccurate map. There is no way for the planets to actually be arranged like this. So super earth can move but keep all the same planets on the map
Well its a nice theory but superearth is actually the real earth in helldivers2 you can find posters of the pyramids of gisa, and advertisment showing yellowstone park plus all the continants have the same shape so in helldivers2 humanity is still on our earth
No one ever mentions this, but a 'Super Earth' is a real thing. I heard of it before in astrology, and Wikipedia says, "A Super-Earth is a type of exoplanet with a mass higher than Earth's, but substantially below those of the Solar System's ice giants, Uranus and Neptune, which are 14.5 and 17 times Earth's, respectively.[1] The term "super-Earth" refers only to the mass of the planet, and so does not imply anything about the surface conditions or habitability. The alternative term "gas dwarfs" may be more accurate for those at the higher end of the mass scale, although "mini-Neptunes" is a more common term." Are we not gonna talking about that?
seems like you just said everything that has to be said about it. i dont think it helps or hurts the theory precisely because, like you said, super earth is a definition concerned only with mass. it seems to me like the helldivers devs were mistaken and thought the technical definition of super earth means something like "a candidate for replacing earth"
HEEEEYYY ANOTHER DETAIL REEEAL QUICK!!! More proof that Super Earth's people relocate to a new solar system after the old Earth is lost is that in HD1, Malevelon Creek is a snow planet in HD1, but a jungle in HD2. So all the planets are different ones, but they inherit the names.
How do we know the ministry of truth in the game is telling, well, you know, the Truth? Super Earth/old Earth could be just ideas at this point. We know from the lore that the bugs are oil and the bots are rebelling slaves, not what we've been told. "We have always been at war with Eastasia."
the system we are in is not the "Solar System" in the "game" Sol or Solar is the name of our System there is only 1 it is not a designation of any other group of planets around any other star.
Its super earth, because we of our empire are making it super, Old earth isnt forgotten, its just.....a bad reminder of what we did to our past home. I mean every citizen knew that our super earth is not old earth.
First off: Helldivers 2 only shows habitable planets, so no venus, mercury, or any gas giants would be shown. Secondly: Helldivers 1 losses aren't canon, super earth has never been destroyed
I'd hate for my first and practically only comment on this platform to be criticizing the theory of some random guy on UA-cam who's just making a video on something he clearly enjoys. But there are so many holes in this theory that I couldn't just lurk any longer. I'm going to review the theory point by point. 1) Funnily enough this is the point I have the least amount of problems with. I also respect that you recognize that a lack of confirmation isn't necessarily evidence, as I feel there are plenty of theorizers who just...don't get that? I don't really have anything to say about this. Still not sure why it is listed as a "point" though when it means nothing on its own. 2) I would hate to sound like literally everyone else in the comment section, but the map very clearly only shows habitable planets. I'm not going to bring up the whole Jupiter and Venus thing because that's been done to death at this point, but I also will bring up that when FTL jumping to some planets you can see moons and planets in the background. I bring this up because these planets and moons aren't shown on the map, supposedly because they aren't habitable, and therefore of no interest. What would be the point of showing Jupiter on the map if there is literally nothing of value there? 3) This is the biggest one for me personally and maybe makes me angrier than it should (no hate though of course). First off, there was only one first galactic war. We know this because of voice lines in the second game. Now, you could argue that maybe we lost the first galactic war, moved, pretended we won, and just took a 100-year hiatus. The problem with that is that if we lost the first war, why do we have bug farms? Why do we have cyborgs on Cyberstan? Why do we have Cyberstan? Why do the Automatons want Cyberstan? Why does everyone talk about the Illuminate as if they went extinct or something? Why do we have Illuminate technology? Why do we have enough dark fluid to turn a planet into a blackhole? I'd like to step back from that and poke at something else now. Let's say that all 200+ first wars and counting were cannon like you imply. Why does anyone ever mention only one war? Sure, it might be to cover up all the losses but if they wanted to do that, why not just say they won hundreds of wars? Knowing how proud Super Earth and its citizens are, wouldn't they try to say they won all of the wars rather than just one and pretend the others don't exist? Not to mention, covering up so many heavy losses would be near impossible anyways. Now, secondly, not even the devs consider any of the wars past the first 3 cannon. Now, please take this argument with a grain of salt because I personally haven't seen this, and I am just going off of what I've heard from others. From what I know, the devs took the events from the first 3 wars and stitched them together to make one single war, for which they use as the cannon first galactic war in the lore of Helldivers II. In case if you weren't aware, we won all three of those wars. If my sources are correct (which they very well might not be) the entire third point of your theory is completely invalid. The war resets were always more of a way to allow people to play the game without just saying it is over and sending you straight back to the beginning, nothing more, nothing less. Essentially just a really fancy end results screen for the end of a campaign. Now, because I'd feel bad if I didn't say something good about this video, I'd like to say that despite this theory being a very huge stretch based on assumptions and just ignorance of certain details the video itself was actually very good. I enjoyed your editing and the graphics you had shown. Speaking of which, if you had made the drawn graphics yourself, very good job as they are very clean and not very distracting while still conveying information clearly. You seem like a cool guy, and I think the quality of the video itself is pretty damn solid, I just think the theory is awful. I think if I ever see another theory pop up in my recommended from you, I'd like to see you go more in-depth on the details and address the possible flaws or evidence against your theory. Also, by looking through the comments and your replies to them, its kind of clear that you were lacking on some basic research. Not knowing that there were multiple endings to Helldivers, while also trying to use one of those endings to prove your point isn't a great look. There are other things I'd like to talk about, like how some of the planets changed biome and positions in between Helldivers and Helldivers II, which might actually be something of value for your theory, but I'm sure people have already saw how big my comment was and just scrolled down. [TLDR; Good Video. Bad Theory. Hope to see your channel grow in the future. Have a good day :).]
I greatly appreciate the detailed comment and I respect that you made sure to communicate that you're only trying to help me see where I was wrong - that's amazing. I must be honest - there was not much evidence for this theory, and I mostly did it for 2 reasons: 1. I had a feeling this is a question that many players unconsciously have considered, and that raising it would resonate with viewers 2. as a fun exercise that many players would have enjoyed to think through All that is to say I think it was a video worth making to get people thinking in the end. As for your comments on my drawings - yes I make them, and the drawings are part of my channels identity, so I'm glad you like it. As for the future, I'll try to make sure that I don't identify with a conclusion just because it's more fun. Now although this isn't super important, I do also want to mention that my assumption was that the word War is used loosely, and that a War meant all of the cycles completed (win or loss on the first game). In any case, I should have digged deeper into the first game. Much respect for your positive comment again!
You would have found the biggest clue, had you searched for "Super Earth" outside of the Helldivers Wiki. In astronomy, *a "Super-Earth" is defined as a planet with a mass larger than Earth,* but smaller than our gas giants Uranus and Neptune. Earth can't be a Super-Earth, by the real, astronomical definition!
i did indeed run into that. i didnt think of it as evidence as much as a mechanism to explain why itd be called super earth. but looking back that was a mistake, so thanks for sharing!
I imagine the star map only shows "inhabitable" planets. Every planet that can be visited in Helldivers is a terrestrial planet, not Jovian planets like gas giants. This would explain why Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune are not there. As for Mercury and Venus, they are far too hot to maintain human life. Planets like Hellmire are hot, but civilians can walk out without protection just fine so it must be cool enough to support human life. That would explain why there is only Earth and Mars available on the map. This doesn't necessarily disprove your theory, but I think it is important to consider.
The mere fact that every living thing doesn't immediately start burning alive the second it enters Hellmire's atmosphere is evidence enough that it's nowhere near as hot as Venus.
Right, that is a very good catch indeed. Thanks for your analysis!
Bro.
Just look at what happens.
You get tossed into the air and not die.
Supposedly, armor would be enough, but that is no sense.
Live on mars come back to earth and break your bones. Getting thrown up into the sky on mars as a mars dude means getting hurt, but someone from earth can handle stuff.
So if you are from a high gravity world, your bones will dense and your muscles too. You will be strong but not so massive, because your body would hate that. You would get a sleapee build. You would have more mass and be heeavier and made fir hogh gravity world, so anime running and jumping make no sense, but add armor, and you can tossed and not die.
@@bobsterclause342it doesn’t have to be that realistic, and besides this is helldivers, not hell flyers
that explains why i cant see URANUS
In between Helldivers 1 and 2 the Old Earth was discovered, re-inhabited, and re-named Super Earth.
That's what i thought too
Sounds like Battlestar Galactica with fewer steps
@@prophetzarquon ackchyually☝🤓 humans in bsg origins from Kobol not from Earth sooooo this is different scenario
@@ОттоГагеншплянген The end of the modern series forms a loop with the origins in the old series; the new colonies become the old colonies which fall & venture afar to found new colonies where old colonies used to be. Did I get that wrong?
Reported to nearest democracy officer, do not fear citizens.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO EDUCATE US 😭
@@redblackgaming I think you mean indoctrinate
@@ZDinoNuggiezyep he is this is helldriver ranger battalion shall we send flamejumoers
@@redblackgaming yes yes they all say that now hands where I can see them you are going to jail
The problem I find is that if you look at super earth in helldivers 2 you can see the continents of old earth and it is EXTREMELY rare for a planet to have same tectonic plates, continents and same characteristics.
this is the part of the theory i find funny, because although i totally agree that it's rare: rare is still better than 0% chance, and there's a 0% chance of being on the same earth that once blew up.
now of course im acting a little willingly blind when i say that, because im sure the devs didnt really think about it this way, but its hard to argue against earth blowing up 😂
@@redblackgaming what if we settled another planet and named it Super Earth which then got blown up in HD1 so we had to return to old Earth after and rebuild it with all the since the exodus developed tech and scientific progress? i mean its just much a shot into the blue like the "Super Earth is an Idea rather than one specific planet" idea, i like both tbh ^^
Ngl chief I dont think they its likely to find a planet with the exact same features as earth like how you outta say "Oh well theres a chance" brother theres a chance you dad come back aint mean that happening
But defeat is non canon in the first game becuas when you win or lose it just resets so to me it made sence that losing is non canon where as winning is canon or did i get it wrong
Tbf, in game we can't see super Earth in enough detail to tell continents. At least none of the times I've seen it from the ship.
The only places we can see continents are on the planet itself on the map which is just a holographic projection and maybe the intro which is just a propaganda commercial.
That said, it is still supposed to just be earth. Like I 100% believe there is no conspiracy here. It is just lovely old terra through and through.
Just stating that the only 2 places we can actually see the continents are both biased and inclined to show them as they would be expected to be.
I do think that super earth is the real earth, since its map looks very similar to our own world, granted they could theoretically terraform each "new earth" to look like the old one, but why would they also add the great war wasteland zones that cover a good portion of several continents?
good point - perhaps that was the map of the first earth? im not sure at what point in the actual game that map appears (but hopefully it appears in a manner that doesn't conflict with this theory 😂)
or course it isn't earth, its SUPER earth, its like normal earth but BETTER
Bro.
Just look at what happens.
I will adress your claim soon
You get tossed into the air and not die.
Supposedly, armor would be enough, but that is no sense.
Live on mars come back to earth and break your bones. Getting thrown up into the sky on mars as a mars dude means getting hurt, but someone from earth can handle stuff.
So if you are from a high gravity world, your bones will dense and your muscles too. You will be strong but not so massive, because your body would hate that. You would get a sleapee build. You would have more mass and be heeavier and made fir hogh gravity world, so anime running and jumping make no sense, but add armor, and you can tossed and not die.
You know thats a trope right?
In warhammer fantasy, its actually scoence fiction and so e space amphibians made a planet with a auper continent have a part that looked like america but attatched to a bunch of stuff. Also, the world might be bigger.
A halo ring has and america continent
In fact, america continents and all the failures shapes is not as uncommon as you might think.
Your supposed to make planets randomly look like Americanor earth, so i dont see why a satire people wouldn't do this.
Like, are moral cant break now becuase we shaped a whole planet into democrasy itself, and such an act was so hard and required so mich focus, intent, strength, that the success and act will leave us with high patriotism forevver regardless of what missfortunes happen our way.
Actually the large Oceans are a factor why our Planet is habitable. The majority, like 70%, of Oxygen in our Atmosphere is dispersed by Algae in the Ocean, Forests play a minor, though not insignificant role in binding CO2 and releasing O2. Also the Constant diffusion of Water vapor into the Atmosphere from these big bodies of water to form Clouds and subsequently make Weather, is what forms a habitable climate.
If you ever fly your destroyer over Super Earth, it looks NOTHING like regular Earth. It barley has oceans.
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My argument for why only a select few Planets are shown, is that they are the habitable planets of their system. Everytime you do an FTL jump to a planet, it always says ''The (Planet) System''
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Tbh argument 1 and 2 aren't enough on their own, the second one especially because Helldivers 2 does not show the actual solar systems, only the worlds we are fighting over.
The third one is the only one that could potentially be feasible but this is not that strong evidence, sorry it's a fun theory but we need more stuff.
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I have a feeling this was only in HD1 as they would frequently restart the galactic map and it would make sense super earth was gone and instead of the devs just going "oh that never happened" instead they gave the reasoning we will come back or what not.
o veteran cardboardbox6690, do you know why they'd frequently restart the galactic map? i never played the first one
@@redblackgaming from what I know these galactic wars never took longer than around 40-50 days, that was Basicly the Play Loop with Victory or defeats. So it Happened a lot in both ways I belive.
first game doesn't have game master, it is just algorithmic cycle.
Cannon for HD2 is just that the first war happend and we won.
@@redblackgamingwe lost super earth, they restart. We win all 3 wars, we go colonize other galaxies, interstellar map restarts as well, or am i misunderstanding your question?
You wouldn't have 2 planets with the same continents. The only reason mars is the only other planet is mars is that its the only other colonized planet in the sol system. Do you really think that each one of the planets we see in the same sector are in the same system? Mars and Earth are probably the only 2 planets on the galactic map that exist in the same system. To support this I would like to point out that no 2 planets in the same sector elsewhere seem to be orbiting the same stars. One planet will orbit a brown dwarf and the next one an apparent blue supergiant. You see plenty of planets in the skies of the worlds we drop on yet none of them appear in the galactic map. The map only shows colonized worlds and their proximity to one another. The original helldivers had multiple replays of the same war with different endings. From what I understand sometimes the war would end in earth's destruction and sometimes its would be victorious. In order for helldivers II to be lore accurate, the writers assume the cannon ending was that Super Earth was victorious. That is why all the land masses and continents and countries are the same. For example Greenland and Great Britain are now a wasteland and Sweden is now basically leading the planet. The reason for that is that the game is made in Sweden so why not talk up your home country. I think all these things are explained to my satisfaction.
Also Earth is in the center of the galaxy earth is not at the center and the real center of the galaxy is a black hole so maybe super Earth is really a super dison sphere
All three points are somewhat accurate, but they feel like stretched
First point: yeah they never told that those are the same planet, but in hd2 there is a reference map of super earth (uploaded by pilestedt), showing an almost exact map of earth with forests and jungles on the same locations, other than cities; and some areas are also labelled as "Last great War wasteland zones" probably referring to the first galactic war. I feel like actual proof like this map from AH is better than assumptions based on silence
Second point: as someone else in the comments suggested, the planets shown are only habitable earth-like planets
Third point: i don't know if that count.. super earth did blow up many times during the events of hd1 since the game basically restarted or something like that. There are multiple occasions where humanity won the war and the 100 years of peace started and occasions where humanity lost and super earth blew up... it's a fairly old game (2015) /so at some point the devs and the gm probably gave the players a chance to win or lose sometime/ edit: this is false as there were no gms in the first game, just an algorithm that replays a cycle, and the canon ending is us winning the galactic war (no earth bum bum)
I belive that super earth and old earth are the same planet, the sectors outside sol system are purely fiction so there isn't much backing up with comparison. Now that we have a black hole in the galaxy we could use that as an orientation point
There are multiple endings in helldivers, it might be a reset, wich would make sense, and the planet map only had habitable planets, also new stolckholm doesn't mean Stockholm is destroyed, new york existes simultaniously with york.
your first point about multiple endings - is that a fact? i cant seem to confirm
@@redblackgaming Yes, there's one for Galactic War Victory (When all enemy factions are defeated) and other for Defeat (When super earth gets lost to one of the three factions) then it resets the war from beginning in both cases
Super Earth is flat!
thats a whole new level of stretch
What did you just say?
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I want to say that it makes sense for them to call it Old Earth in that cutscene cause this old earth just fucking exploded. Not so Super when you're dead are you? They are probably just referring to Super Earth as Old Earth since its gone from their perspective.
i see what you're saying - even super earths can be considered old earths, whereas in the video i am suggesting they mean original earth
in any case the point stands
I agree with most of it, except for "The Solar Sysytem is different" bit. Dont get me wrong, you got a good theory and it actually makes sense but this argument about the Solar System weakens it, you see, everytime we start a mission the Destroyer's computer informs us "Entering Angel's Venture SYSTEM", so I guess Super Earth wants to control not only whatever System it is but all the surrounding area. Still on that issue, we have only Earth (super? old?) and Mars, but the rest of Solar System's planets aren't very hospitable, from Jupiter to Neptune there's only gas giants, Mercury is too damn close to the sun and Venus is a literal hell. Again, i think you're right, especially bc of the HD1 lore bit showing Earth literally exploding to bits and General Whatshisname stating theres an Old Earth. Nonetheless, great vid.
thanks for the compliment!
and yes, that's a good point about the solar system. i am now convinced that we only see planets worth seeing, as you and others have pointed out.
Many sources in game presumes that first galactic war was won (so losing cutscene is althistory and old earth is refered to the planet that just got destroyed) and intergalactic travel isn't present for some reason. So it's Milky Way (though I don't remember if it ever was mentioned) and the same Earth. Funny thing that capital of Super Earth is Stockholm as emblem is centered to it, in HD1 it's centered on North Pole just like UN logo.
If you look really closely… you’ll notice a *SUPER* in front of the earth. This is in fact how you can tell it is not Earth, but Super Earth.
im sorry, i just cant see your point
I remember "Mars" having mysterious moons that it wasn't supposed to during training.
Guys, I found a video of a Helldiver comrade where he leaves his ship thanks to a Bug on Super Earth and it is clearly seen that there is a second moon
What if humans left the earth after the great war due to contamination and found a new home, but in the process they encountered various new races and lost their new home to them and had to return to the old contaminated planet to clean it as much as possible and set up forbidden zones?
I will say in the first game, if the community loses Super Earth, they do call it Old Earth as they evacuate the airspace.
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Yo this looks super professional I can’t believe you only have 200 subs!
thank you my man! ive had other successful channels earlier that havent done well so ive made a bunch of videos but none of them have ever seen success
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That's a very interesting theory, but the devs have posted Super Earth's World Map and it's literally Earth
this holds so little water it's more dry than mars
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pretty sure thousands of citizens and the colony members would eventually question as to why coordinates for super earth are different coordinates and why some cities are being rebuilt etc when they were already constructed, this is a nice theory and all but it just has too many flaws, since you based it on helldivers 1 which wasn't a live service like helldivers 2, that game over screen is personalized to each party of 4, you fail it only affects you at least i think so, its based on a DIRECTION the story CAN go, i think if the day comes (i hope not) that super earth gets invaded in hd2, we'd fight our way back from that sector .. i doubt the planet would just blow up, that'd probably just be a failed major order, but since its just one planet we'd all be completing those so the chances of even that happening would be really REALLY low..
in short: its nice and all but its far fetched...
one thing i noticed too in the video seems to indicate that you look at the galactic map as a system map, each planet on that map is IT'S own or IN it's own system, super earth seems to be the exception as the sector it's located in seems to be the sol system but for other sectors we notice different stars etc for planets within their same sectors, we can easily assume other planets of the sol system were never intended to be a place we can go to as they probably serve no real purpose, mars is the training facility and super earth is super earth which we all fight for, a goal to protect, i don't think we'd be fighting off automaton ships at Jupiter station or some crap (i though i'd love some halo reach like space combat..)
thanks for the detailed comment!
can you elaborate or rephrase your last point about the sectors - im not sure i understood. specifically I dont understand the part about different stars in different sectors
@@redblackgaming i meant that each planet is in its own system with the exception of the sol system which IS a sector and a system, there's a difference.
Fun video but there is a canon map of Earth which shows the landmasses still suffering from the original world war 3, and the ingame maps only show visitable locations in systems.
What if the old earth is kinda "classified" to protect her?
SE didn't lose the first galactic war in canon. Yes, there's a way to see it blow up in HD1, but that's just so the game can reset and have players still play. It's why victory against the factions also reset, so that way people can still play the videogame.
So.. the solar system isn't the same. But planets around are?
What if.. when super earth blows up, we just engineer one of the other planets of the solar system to become new super earth, using scifi technology (although likely much more advanced than what is shown in helldivers) to move it to a good orbit, enlarge/shrink it to size and change whatever elements needed.
So in essence, we've used up most of the solar system already woth only mars left as a backup. So two more lost super earths and we either need to relocate or we need to start moving planets into the solar system.
the star map only shows habitable planets, proved by the presence of plants and water on every single one.
and helldivers 1 had multiple endings
in the bad ending super earth explodes as you said
in the good canon ending the bugs are used for e7110, the bots are decentralised and the illuminate are disarmed and technology stolen.
i think the good ending is cannon because in the recent order to destroy a planet we use old illuminate technology to do so
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i see where youre going with the old illuminate technology, but i dont 100% see your conclusion, can you elaborate.
great comment btw
@@redblackgaming my point is that if we didn’t win the first galactic war we wouldn’t have the technology to destroy meridia, but we did
edit: thank you
I’m pretty sure in an interview they said that earth getting destroyed multiple times in helldivers 1 wasn’t cannon.
I think the planet blowing up is Super Earth being called Old Earth, so it isn't the second planet, but the first.
Well I mean, it is SUPER earth
this theory falls apart when you realize everything you can't visit ingame (such as planets incapable of having life & moons) doesn't show up in the Map.
Doesn't Super Earth also have 2 moons? One of them being much bigger than our own moon
Im pretty sure super earth blew up multiple times in lore and Super Earth just rebuild it again because their terraforming tech is just that good
I believe "old earth" is referring to super earth, which was just blown up. Great video, continue the good work
right, though in any case its the fact that there are 2 earths that matter
also thanks, means a lot!
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Makes a lot of sense a paragraph sense, I'm going to be a subscriber and I will be looking forward to more content I'm definitely going to be looking at the solar system in a new light from now
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Quick question: What was the reasoning behind the idea that Helldivers 2 is set in 2224?
I guess itʻs because the gameʻs release date is the same date as the war starts, the battles we did in game moves the gameʻs story more. Plus it came out in 2024 and the game is “2224” gives it more of the connection
It’s not earth diver, it’s super earth. NOW GET BACK TO STOMPING BUGS AND BOTS. MAKE GENERAL BRASCH PROUD!
well made video ive got no idea why this doesnt have more likes
thanks that motivates me a ton 🔥
the loss condition in HD 1 is not canon but i have questions about the hologram moon tho
dont get me started about moon lul
Im pretty sure they have a official map of Super Earth and its quite literally Earth as the contients are the same.
I mean why is there no sun is my biggest question? Does Super Earth fill the spot of the missing sun and somehow has a power of attraction over other planets?
Super Earth is not a place, but a people. - Odin
No shit it is a different planet. Embarrassing.
It looks different and has a different name. Super Earth has almost no large bodies of water on it. In fail conditions in HD1, they say they are going to find a new super earth and keep up the fight.
Regarding the rest of the solar system not on the galactic map, that you are over thinking. The galactic map doesn't show every moon, star, and planet on it anywhere.
I had this theory that the Galaxy is not the entire Milky Way but just the Orion Spur (Earth is there), if Super Earth is always moving this would make sense, Super Earth might want to hide their past defeats and make it look like the galaxy is smaller so Old Earth or past Super Earths cannot be traced.
I came with this theory because the Galactic map is ridiculously small and makes no sense with Super Earth being in the center, if it's because they couldn't put so many planets then limit them map to be the Known Galaxy or just a galactic spur like Battletech did.
yea that seems like a viable speculation to add on top of this theory
So is the story of HD1 linear then? I thought it depended on player performance and there's just ending slides for each outcome, kind of like fallout. Every ending being possible doesn't mean they happened so Fallout, kind of assumed the same for HD1 but someone correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't think Super Earth has ever lost or been destroyed before: John Pilestedt uploaded a map of Super Earth and the continents and oceans are the exact same as regular Earth. But the mention of "Old Earth" is very interesting/odd of them to include in HD1.
I've never seen any reason to believe that Super Earth was supposed to be Earth. Thus the name "Super Earth".
If Super Earth lost the First Galactic War, than why did the Illuminate get nearly eradicated, why would the Cyborgs get enslaved, and why would nearly ALL Terminids be put into E-710 farms!?
And besides, The destruction of Super Earth was the bad ending, not the cannon ending
the first 2-3 galactic wars in helldivers 1, the ones considered canon, were all won. so i dont care much for the "undeniable proof" part
whered you see that only the first 2-3 are cannon
@@redblackgaming when the devs mentioned it offhand
Weren't those three wars swept up into a colloquial term as "The Great Galactic War", now "The First Galactic War" in HD2?
@@weasel003gaming7 „The Great Galactic War“ is a chosen series of events from the first few that the devs use as canon, technically only „one“ war was fought, and our wins and failures in helldivers 1 are basically just a timeline reset
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Super earth is earth because the propaganda shows current world map plus the nuclear waste zones.
also Andromeda system is shown. most like because each system is galaxies with planets that people can Live on. the game even states Menkent and hellmire were in the procress of being terraformed
sense 3 planets from the first game are jungle gardens and no longer Deserts.
meaning super earth has to get resources from these planets. as stated
it only shows habitable planets. and unless you'd somehow make me believe that super-earth terraformed an entire planet to look just like earth, then I'm still gonna be doubting this argument. super-earth has also been stated to be the new name for earth as it was renamed.
Of course it's not earth, its Super Earth
we have a map of super earth... and all continents look the same
so super earth is located in the sol system yet its blown up before. so they found a new super earth and they didn't call it new sol system. now here is a theory, what if the mars is indeed our mars from the original earth system. so what if we are moving planets to the spot we had earth in before. which is why they did rename the system because it the same system
lets just take a moment to remember that a literal super earth was discovered some years ago. (Look it up)
or hell divers have special maps that only show captured planets and enemy lines.You wouldn’t put an Arby’s on a civil war map because it doesn’t give any advantage.How would Pluto be a tactical advantage in fighting enemies that are in a different system.The point is the reason the other planets aren’t on the map is because they don’t have any effect on the conflict
The reason why all the other planets because you never visit them Mars it’s only one for the training facility
I knew Super Earth was probably not our Earth. Call it a hunch.
We lost our first earth…Just hope you all know this.
While hell divers 2 does follow a single war where everyone makes a difference helldivers 1 could be played by a few dozen people playing a campaign. So no even if they lost their wars super earth was never destroyed in the cannon.
I thought the fact that its called "super" earth made it clear that it wasn't our solar system? I always figured it was either an alternative universe or this is humanity in the future after it migrated to another galaxy or part of our galaxy. We call certain planets "super earths" because we think that their conditions are similar to that of earth but their size is larger than earth. I thought super earth was one of those planets that humans ended up settling on in the game's world.
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So another I looked up and I’d like your input on, (I did subscribe too lol) they do state it is the Milky Way galaxy. Also about A war lost ending a lot of people in 2015 or 2018 were stating they received this ending even after winning a war and that it was bugged. Could that have just been a prepped ending if lost? Either way that ending highly supports your theory. Otherwise I love this theory that Super Earth is an idea. It literally could solve replay ability. Truly a great vid, maybe the ministry have tampered with history or even what year it actually is. Looking forward to more vids!!
i actually did not know that, so thanks for looking into it. i actually don't have much to say about that other than the fact that it does indeed help my theory, so thanks again.
and thanks for the sub! means a lot
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"they never do"
They literally did. There's a map of Super Earth released and it is pretty clear that it is The Earth.
Yeah it’s definitely an inaccurate map. There is no way for the planets to actually be arranged like this. So super earth can move but keep all the same planets on the map
Well its a nice theory but superearth is actually the real earth in helldivers2 you can find posters of the pyramids of gisa, and advertisment showing yellowstone park plus all the continants have the same shape so in helldivers2 humanity is still on our earth
Of course, it's SUPER earth!
lol good point
No one ever mentions this, but a 'Super Earth' is a real thing. I heard of it before in astrology, and Wikipedia says, "A Super-Earth is a type of exoplanet with a mass higher than Earth's, but substantially below those of the Solar System's ice giants, Uranus and Neptune, which are 14.5 and 17 times Earth's, respectively.[1] The term "super-Earth" refers only to the mass of the planet, and so does not imply anything about the surface conditions or habitability. The alternative term "gas dwarfs" may be more accurate for those at the higher end of the mass scale, although "mini-Neptunes" is a more common term." Are we not gonna talking about that?
seems like you just said everything that has to be said about it.
i dont think it helps or hurts the theory precisely because, like you said, super earth is a definition concerned only with mass.
it seems to me like the helldivers devs were mistaken and thought the technical definition of super earth means something like "a candidate for replacing earth"
Oh course it’s not earth. It’s Super Earth! It’s earth but Better!
In some planets, you can see Jupiter.
Super Earth is Earth but super because of Liberty, Democracy, and Freedom!
Maybe however If you look close at the galactic map you can see Europe and Africa
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More proof that Super Earth's people relocate to a new solar system after the old Earth is lost is that in HD1, Malevelon Creek is a snow planet in HD1, but a jungle in HD2.
So all the planets are different ones, but they inherit the names.
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How do we know the ministry of truth in the game is telling, well, you know, the Truth? Super Earth/old Earth could be just ideas at this point. We know from the lore that the bugs are oil and the bots are rebelling slaves, not what we've been told. "We have always been at war with Eastasia."
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the system we are in is not the "Solar System" in the "game"
Sol or Solar is the name of our System there is only 1 it is not a designation of any other group of planets around any other star.
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Most obvious automaton broadcast, what treason!
Why, of course it's not Earth, it's Super Earth!!!
Does asking about whether or not Super Earth is original Earth count as treason...? We might have a treasonous traitor on our hands...
Its super earth, because we of our empire are making it super, Old earth isnt forgotten, its just.....a bad reminder of what we did to our past home. I mean every citizen knew that our super earth is not old earth.
Totally makes sense.
Sounds like treason to me
First off: Helldivers 2 only shows habitable planets, so no venus, mercury, or any gas giants would be shown.
Secondly: Helldivers 1 losses aren't canon, super earth has never been destroyed
THIS HAS BEEN REPORTED TO THE MINISTRY OF TRUTH!
I'd hate for my first and practically only comment on this platform to be criticizing the theory of some random guy on UA-cam who's just making a video on something he clearly enjoys. But there are so many holes in this theory that I couldn't just lurk any longer. I'm going to review the theory point by point.
1) Funnily enough this is the point I have the least amount of problems with. I also respect that you recognize that a lack of confirmation isn't necessarily evidence, as I feel there are plenty of theorizers who just...don't get that? I don't really have anything to say about this. Still not sure why it is listed as a "point" though when it means nothing on its own.
2) I would hate to sound like literally everyone else in the comment section, but the map very clearly only shows habitable planets. I'm not going to bring up the whole Jupiter and Venus thing because that's been done to death at this point, but I also will bring up that when FTL jumping to some planets you can see moons and planets in the background. I bring this up because these planets and moons aren't shown on the map, supposedly because they aren't habitable, and therefore of no interest. What would be the point of showing Jupiter on the map if there is literally nothing of value there?
3) This is the biggest one for me personally and maybe makes me angrier than it should (no hate though of course). First off, there was only one first galactic war. We know this because of voice lines in the second game. Now, you could argue that maybe we lost the first galactic war, moved, pretended we won, and just took a 100-year hiatus. The problem with that is that if we lost the first war, why do we have bug farms? Why do we have cyborgs on Cyberstan? Why do we have Cyberstan? Why do the Automatons want Cyberstan? Why does everyone talk about the Illuminate as if they went extinct or something? Why do we have Illuminate technology? Why do we have enough dark fluid to turn a planet into a blackhole? I'd like to step back from that and poke at something else now. Let's say that all 200+ first wars and counting were cannon like you imply. Why does anyone ever mention only one war? Sure, it might be to cover up all the losses but if they wanted to do that, why not just say they won hundreds of wars? Knowing how proud Super Earth and its citizens are, wouldn't they try to say they won all of the wars rather than just one and pretend the others don't exist? Not to mention, covering up so many heavy losses would be near impossible anyways. Now, secondly, not even the devs consider any of the wars past the first 3 cannon. Now, please take this argument with a grain of salt because I personally haven't seen this, and I am just going off of what I've heard from others. From what I know, the devs took the events from the first 3 wars and stitched them together to make one single war, for which they use as the cannon first galactic war in the lore of Helldivers II. In case if you weren't aware, we won all three of those wars. If my sources are correct (which they very well might not be) the entire third point of your theory is completely invalid. The war resets were always more of a way to allow people to play the game without just saying it is over and sending you straight back to the beginning, nothing more, nothing less. Essentially just a really fancy end results screen for the end of a campaign.
Now, because I'd feel bad if I didn't say something good about this video, I'd like to say that despite this theory being a very huge stretch based on assumptions and just ignorance of certain details the video itself was actually very good. I enjoyed your editing and the graphics you had shown. Speaking of which, if you had made the drawn graphics yourself, very good job as they are very clean and not very distracting while still conveying information clearly. You seem like a cool guy, and I think the quality of the video itself is pretty damn solid, I just think the theory is awful. I think if I ever see another theory pop up in my recommended from you, I'd like to see you go more in-depth on the details and address the possible flaws or evidence against your theory. Also, by looking through the comments and your replies to them, its kind of clear that you were lacking on some basic research. Not knowing that there were multiple endings to Helldivers, while also trying to use one of those endings to prove your point isn't a great look. There are other things I'd like to talk about, like how some of the planets changed biome and positions in between Helldivers and Helldivers II, which might actually be something of value for your theory, but I'm sure people have already saw how big my comment was and just scrolled down.
[TLDR; Good Video. Bad Theory. Hope to see your channel grow in the future. Have a good day :).]
I greatly appreciate the detailed comment and I respect that you made sure to communicate that you're only trying to help me see where I was wrong - that's amazing.
I must be honest - there was not much evidence for this theory, and I mostly did it for 2 reasons:
1. I had a feeling this is a question that many players unconsciously have considered, and that raising it would resonate with viewers
2. as a fun exercise that many players would have enjoyed to think through
All that is to say I think it was a video worth making to get people thinking in the end.
As for your comments on my drawings - yes I make them, and the drawings are part of my channels identity, so I'm glad you like it.
As for the future, I'll try to make sure that I don't identify with a conclusion just because it's more fun.
Now although this isn't super important, I do also want to mention that my assumption was that the word War is used loosely, and that a War meant all of the cycles completed (win or loss on the first game). In any case, I should have digged deeper into the first game.
Much respect for your positive comment again!
I have reported this to the Ministry Of Truth and the SEAF
Helldivers 1 game over is not cannon for HD2
Cause the OG helldivers never failed
sounds like treason
You would have found the biggest clue, had you searched for "Super Earth" outside of the Helldivers Wiki. In astronomy, *a "Super-Earth" is defined as a planet with a mass larger than Earth,* but smaller than our gas giants Uranus and Neptune. Earth can't be a Super-Earth, by the real, astronomical definition!
i did indeed run into that. i didnt think of it as evidence as much as a mechanism to explain why itd be called super earth. but looking back that was a mistake, so thanks for sharing!
Of course its not actually Earth. It was terraformed to resemble Earth.