My Ram 2500 Cummins Diesel is a CHEATER! What Does that Mean for Ram Owners?
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- Cummins has been hit with a massive fine over cheating on emissions tests. The company admits no wrongdoing, but they will pay the $2.0 Billion fine that comes along with these allegations.
In this video we look at what Cummins did and how they are handling it. Most importantly, we discuss how this will affect owners.
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I’m never going to find out. My state doesn’t require inspections and I have no plans on going back to the dealership. Not adding more crap to make the EPA or California happy
Some states are requiring proof that the recall is done to get the truck registered. It wouldn’t surprise me if this becomes mandatory nationwide, especially since Cummins has an incentive to get the trucks “fixed.”
@@tylerbennett5020 luckily good ol South Carolina usually ignores or flat out rejects federal pushes for anything
@@muddyram,
Good on you, boys !
DamnYankees . . .
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This is all bullshit
Why not keep the truck until the recall is done. Test 0-60 unloaded, loaded and towing, also a mpg loop before and after the recall. You guys could put some actual numbers to what everyone else suspects
TFL Truck is doing this.
I think here in the US the states will not allow to register or renew registration without the software update.
It’s a total bogus government scam:
The EPA /Government does not calculate total emissions per mpg per tank so when the fuel economy drops by 25% for example, one is putting 25% more emissions into the atmosphere.
Owners of VW diesel gate engines apparently reported that after their diesel emissions were brought into emission compliance, in their same real world driving allegedly lost more than 4 mpg per gallon, thus per tank after the modifications, actually resulted in more net pollution increases per tank!
And how does this help the environment?
High altitudes, payloads and/or towing applications potentially may have the greatest potential for negative impacts after the software etc updates.
If changing the software doesn’t negatively affect fuel economy and reliability, why did Cummins allegedly cheat in the first place or did they?
I would like to see the testing engineering methods and conditions California used to determine Cummins was cheating and what fuel pump was in the test vehicle(s) and for how long.
@@icare7151 depends on the state. Not all require inspections
TFL Truck is already done the preliminary tests with their 2022 RAM2500 6.7L Cummins. They did numerous tests on video and are waiting for their recall to be done, and by the way, 2022 & 2023 RAMs may not be included in the recall!!
Strength in numbers. Class action lawsuit. Close to a million owners affected!
Exact how are owners harmed?
Hey Howard & Stephen, I totally agree with you on your assessment on what the consumer gets when a manufacturer does a recall. When I get my insurance bill for my Ford truck, it lists any recalls that I have to get taken care of. Implying if I don't, I could have a rate increase or loose coverage all together. Mine was just windshield wipers, so no biggie. Hope yours works out good for you.
What would be great is that the channels following this issue, continue to follow the money once Cummins pays out the fine. What is the Government going to do with the money? Who's pockets will it go into at the Environmental Protection Agency without any positive outcomes for the health of the general public that this fine is for! I would follow that story.
They told Cummins make check payable to Volodymyr Zelensky is what I heard.
I was literally planning to buy a 2022 Ram 2500 w/ 6.7l Cummins THE DAY I heard about the EPA $1.7b thing. It was a great deal w/ 8k mi for 58k w/ an MSRP of $73k. I freaked because I would have been under manf warranty and I couldn't just piss on my warranty. Plus I live in California and I'd have to comply to keep it registered. So I went for great deal #2 and got an f150 FX4 3.5l that has 400 HP and 500 ft/lb and tows 13,900 lbs. Got it w/ 3k miles w/ 100k Ford warranty for 51k w/ MSRP of $64.5k. i'd have preferred the Cummins, but not if they were going to detune the life out of it. It's amazing how they keep force feeding EVs down our throats that burn through tires and result in battery graveyards if the don't spontaneously combust first. The minerals required for EVs dwarf any ICE vehicle. We need diesels to feed people but they don't care. Democrats have literally become anti-human in the facade of "saving the planet".
Wake up. The recall does not affect that truck. Get your facts straight.
I will not tow a 14K trailer with a 150 or even a 250. They simply are not big enough. Been there done that with a Cummins in a 2500.
Sorry to hear you live in California. Are homeless still taking a dump on the streets?
@@johnirwin1837the truck is gonna regen more
@@cheetahtransport939 is that what Cummins says in so many words or just your wild guess from unscientific testing and word of mouth from some mouthy owners?
I read an article in some states they won't let you register your truck unless recall is done.
You would be right
Yeah that's in some of the wacko liberal states
What states are you referring too?
@@mikeb6300 wacko liberal run states
I took mine in for the recall, and driven over 500 miles and I feel nothing has changed, MPG in city 15.2 power feels the same no loss.
Exactly. It simply uses (slightly) more DEF now.
All the air chair experts’ minds are jumping at shadows 😂
Epa is corrupt. Always moving the goal post. Sad to see. I live in the town that makes these engines. Columbus Indiana
I went through my service history and noticed I already had the VB6 service campaign done. I had no idea that they did it. It was in for oil and the dealer took care of it right then. That was in 2020. I have a 2019 2500 Laramie. I didn’t notice any difference.
Good to know. Thanks.
Kinda interesting that they did that so under-the-radar. I presume it was listed on the work order but did anyone tell you at the time they were doing something outside of what you expected them to?
@@ALMX5DP nope, they did not. It wasn’t the first time the dealer took care of recall without letting me know first. I think they think they are doing as a courtesy. I wasn’t angry or anything, I just had no clue they were doing it. I have the Ram app that shows all of the recalls that were done and to my surprise, the VB6 that everyone is talking about was already completed.
@@user-ip5qx6me8c yeah I think you’re right. I am just the type to want to know what is being done or going to be done and anything not initially disclosed kinda feels wrong. But I’m glad you’re not experiencing any negative side effects from all of this. Kinda makes it a non issue if there is no perceptible change.
I too had this calibration done, and I remember the recall referencing engine calibration, although I had no idea it had to do with this EPA thing at the time! I did notice a slight change in pedal response, DEF use, and tranny gearing changing, and I have the 2019 Limited with the H.O. And Aisen.
Defund the EPA.
No
@@Bluebottlenose Why you mad bro 😆
@@nbitt1319 I’m not but I think it’s a bad idea
This old joke really applies "I am from the EPA, and I'm not happy until your not happy!"
My dealership said don’t do the recall. Its purpose is the Government bringing these trucks up to California emission standards.
Have you guys also inspect the heater grid bolt. They have a tendency to break off and destroy your engine
In Toronto, even before the VW and Ram ecodiesel fiascos, diesel pickups that chuffed out any coal were pulled over and any alterations or missing emissions equipment was/is caught, and required to be put back to O.E.M with fines out the Yang Yang. Still happens today. Some areas in Canada, mostly rural, do not have emissions testing. Emissions equipment cuts engine life and makes the vehicle lose the power and performance you purchase them for, but still pollute.
Had three eco diesel and each had the recall performed and they had problems afterwards power was down efficiency way almost down 30 percent went from averaging 35 per gallon down to 24.5 per gallon. Fca did compensate me 3200$ per vehicle but still not worth it. I have a 2017 2500 crew cab with the 6.7 and I will not have this recall performed unless they can guarantee in writing horsepower’s and torque does not decrease and fuel efficiency stays somewhat the same. Also I think in my mind I wouldn’t settle for anything less than 5000$ so a good delete and tune could be done after the recall was performed
All Canadian customers were screwed over by FCA with nothing paid out for ecodiesel owners! No more Rams for me.
Best discussion of this issue I've seen so far!
Steve, you are very fortunate because you live in a state where you don't have to have that done right away. I am in California and received the recall right after the first of the year. In California we will be required to show proof before we can reregister our vehicle. I already have the vultures circling, I received a letter in the mail from a lawyer that states lemon law. This is just begun and there will be a huge class action lawsuit against Cummins and RAM. I tow a trailer and definitely do not want to have to pay more in fuel or see my DEF usage go up. Thanks for keeping us up to date.
Steve is in Canada,not the US
Easy just get out of commiefornia this place is ridiculous they want nothing but teslas.
Guys over at TFL are doing testing as we speak to figure out pre and post recall performance differences on their Ram 2500. I'm curious to see if there is any performance difference as well, although I wouldn't be surprised if it drives the exact same.
I'm pretty sure I heard that the fine was over NOx emissionsif I remember right so I'd bet their fix will just be injecting more DEF to lower emissions which shouldn't affect performance too much, but who knows. Like you said, at this point no one is saying what actually happened and what is polluting more so we've got no idea what the fix might be. Either way I'm somewhat invested as my parents own a '19 2500 my mom drives and they use to tow their RV.
Your truck will use more DEF, will Regen more, and Dump More ERG into your engine after the recall. There have also been reports of reduced MPG and owners reporting a reduced power feel while towing their same trailers.
That means YOU will have to pay for EGR Cooler and Intake Cleanings at a service Center (FK the Dealer)
That EXTENDED WARRANTY is for a reason, you will wear out components faster. However, the extended warranty will be USELESS for trucks with more than 120,000 miles already!
- It's a FULL Reflash including the transmission_ I read the FCA Stellantis bulletin this morning.
Of course nobody want to release specifics of what they will do to your truck, Nobody want to catch a Class Action Suit!
But, I suspect if FCA are the ones doing the reflash that causes the negative changes to your truck - they will have to OWN the Lawsuit.
Only an issue for people in CARB states.
If you’re not in a carb state you don’t have to get it tested so no registration issues.
Hmm. There are hundreds of EVs that are DOA due to -0 temps. I don’t trust the EPA. My truck runs great. If it ain’t broke….
In the US California is going to force owners to get the recall performed by linking it to your registration renewal.
Hopefully other states don't follow that move.
Check this out from California ARB. It says the recall is optional and you can still register and smog without it. ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/fact-sheets/cummins-settlement-frequently-asked-questions
In Colorado as well.
I’m sure most blue states will follow
Since your truck is a 2019, it likely already has the emissions flash completed. The flash for this issue was released under recall VB6 back in 2020. Most 2019’s got the VB6 flash done at the same time they completed the W06 recall.
Guys, do you also have a recall for the CP4 FUEL PUMP for your truck? l do not keep up with all of your videos so if you told us already l apologize. I got one for my 2020 Ram 2500 Cummins, with parts not yet available to change the pump. This would be another problem whrn selling the truck. Thanks for all the great videos!
Did a full delete of mine at 3500 km and it's been amazing so far. Better throttle response, better economy, and I have a clean (no coal) tune. My previous Ram 3500 which was bone stock was constantly in the shop for check engine lights related to emissions. Best thing of all is that I don't have to worry about any of this nonsense.
Howard: "CN's getting a bunch of brand new refitted locomotives...what am I getting?!?" LOL. Love that comment!
I heard about the 2500 and 3500 but i have a 2014 5500 dumptruck just wondering if my truck has the same recall i cant afford to lose any power or have a dot target on my truck
If I owned one of these trucks, I would absolutely not be getting the recall done, unless there was some serious compensation included with it.
A coworker of mine got like $3,500 for getting his Ram 1500 EcoDiesel recalled. He spent $1,000 of that to get an aftermarket tune ;)
If the Department of Justice tells you to take that truck in and get it detuned you will do it.
@@dcurry8147 cause I’m sure the DOJ will enforce an epa issue.. 🤡
How were you harmed that calls for you to get money?
@johnirwin1837 If my truck has reduced performance after any "upgrades" that would be considered harm. I would be absolutely shocked if this update didn't include a performance loss and/or a reliability decrease.
Volkswagen had diesel gate. I believe Mazda many years ago misrepresented the power rating for their Miata. Some owners were offered cash incentives and the company offered to buy some of the cars back. I'm wondering if Ram will do the same with some compensation from Cummins since they are at fault.
Ram seems to be distancing itself from this. I think since this is a Cummins issue and not Ram. Plus Cummins didn't admit wrong doing and just paying the fine. So they are basically avoiding this steps. But I think a class action will force the matter. Well see what comes of it.
I work for a Ram Dealership in California. We have been doing the 67A emissions recall since November 30th. Before it was announced. So far the 67A recall only covers 2013-2018 Rams with the Cummins engine. We have had no reported loss of power, performance, fuel mileage or increased DEF usage since doing the 67A recall. Also in California you CANNOT register your vehicle until the recall is done. I believe there are 13 States that have adopted California emissions standards. But I don’t know if the are doing the requirement like California.
I’ve been doing at least 2 a day . Then go one with my regular work.
If i were cummins, I'd make it a point by laying off all my workers and closing down shop. Make it a point that epa and carb has now made it impossible to do business in North America.
That would be massive malpractice of your fiduciary duties as executives of the company on the stock exchange. Any one of the company shareholders would be eligible to sue you personally in civil court for massive financial damages that you caused by shattering the value of a 28 BILLION dollars annual revenue company. 😃 Not to mention, why kill the golden goose? Next year Cummins will generate another $2 BILLION profits on those $28 BILLION revenues we just mentioned.
Here in Commifornia , I’ve heard they won’t renew your registration unless the recall has been done…..
I read where they talked about not renewing registrations until it’s been updated…
Had the recall done on mine. No difference to the power. Fuel economy and dep fuel use is still out for testing. My exhaust smells different, before the recall i could barely smell it now you can definitely smell the dep being burned.
They will not let us register next year for truck if recall is not complete in California
I am with you guys! Great video! As usual, the small guy is getting screwed!
I hear in California if you dont do the recall cant reregister your truck ! Sounds like these things are gonna take a huge hit in value
That’s right. I unfortunately live in California for the time being and I own a 2018 Cummins and I had to have the recall done to renew my registration. So I had it done and so far I have noticed no change in the truck’s performance. It’s only been done for about a week so long term we will see. My big question is when I move from Cali and I go to delete my truck what will happen.
You don’t have to do the recall it’s your choice as the owner it’s not a safety recall your fine
I never addressed the previous recall about the lugnuts being over torqued. The local dealer has been leaving messages telling me to come on in and get it done. And what are the odds that they would do the emissions update even if I demanded they not do it? I've got a '17 3500 HO. Non deleated because of emissions testing in my area. I am praying for a buyback. Or some major assistance on a 3500 gasser. I'd trade in a heartbeat.
EPA is a total crock of
In California, the issue will be monitored by the presence of a recall sticker or the code reader the smog mechanics use will determine if the truck is in compliance. This will result in not being able to register your truck, and there are several states that use the C.A.R.B. testing system.
I had my truck into the dealer twice in 2022, no mention of a recall open on my truck at that time. Two previous recalls were safety related and clearly not related to the engine controls. If a truck was already done by the dealer the owner would not have received a recall notice for this Emissions thing on their truck.
The settlement notice and recall was two weeks ago
If I run my lawnmower in my garage for mere seconds it nearly kills me. I can start my 2018 6.7 stone cold in my garage and let it run and not even smell it. my truck won't be in the 85%
$2 billion fine not including the repairs ! Chances are loss of power and fuel economy ! I was a fleet mechanic for 30 years Ford did this another way on 6.0 - 6.4 and 6.7 ! Every single truck got detuned at the very 1st recall campaighn even if it was just a door handle- strange noise etc...
Regardless of what tuning they had, they all have exhaust filters with Def. They make it sound like they put in a filter bypass
There was some talk about not being able to register the vehicle unless this recall was completed. That would be a way to make sure
That could possibly open up another saga as in violating your rights as an owner and could create a a counter suing against the government if enough people sign on that would or possibly could be another class action suit and there are lawyers out there that would tackle this you see it in tv commercials every day. Just playing devils advocate here in this particular case
Definitely opens an epic can of worms.@@lamontgraves1054
That’s how the dmv is doing it in California 😢
I still have my 2009 VW TDI, got the $5400 check from VW, $320 from Bosch, they installed a new DPF, catalytic converters and did the software update with a 45000 warranty. WHY WOULD I ALLOW RAM TO MODIFY MY 2014 3500 TRUCK WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION OR WARRANTY? SEEMS THE GOVERNMENT GETS EVERYTHING!!!
How are they going to recall the trucks that owners have already bought deleted and tuned for themselves 😂
A recall doesn’t care what an owner does after purchase. If the recall is unable to be performed, it’s unable to be performed but that might affect vehicle registration etc.
🎉😂
Without knowing what Cummins will do here's my experience with my TDI Golf. I received all my payout funds and declined to have any of the modifications done. Each time it went in for a service I had to sign a paper stating I wanted no modifications done in regard to VW's emission issues on their diesel's. So VW owner's were given a choice. Do the modifications, which made the car weak AF and fuel economy worse, or keep it as is. I stayed with the as is(well the car is tuned now) and received all compensation paid by VW. Hopefully this will be similar for the Cummins issue.
Ford was exagerating power numbers on the godzilla i heard.
My 12 valve has ZERO emissions equipment. My truck makes 180 HP but probably puts out more emissions than 5 of these cheating trucks, lol. Not sure why It's a massive deal when my truck is completely legal EVERYWHERE, polluting massively as it goes. I'm not mad at Cummins. The EPA is going too far, raising costs and making repairs more expensive and more frequent.
Guys, especially Howard ,take a deep breath,get the recall done and see how your truck runs.You are more fortunate than most,you own 2 fairly expensive trucks.You can't just assume this wont fix the issue an you'll be stuck with a truck you can't sell
Kalifornia is refusing to process registration renewal without proof of recall completion. Seems like the responsibility has shifted to the target with the least ability to defend itself.
And that’s how it was always done in history of mankind. Usually.
@@is6566 lol- you’re right about that!
If everyone is having to cheat inorder to reach these goals pulled out of thin air then maybe the requirements should be questioned instead. Maybe the government should first take the vehicle and find a way to meet their own requirements to see if it is even possible
Are you kidding me? Govt is good at telling others what to do but they can't apply the same rules. Look at how many billions they have spent on the homeless in CA and they think spending more is the answer😂😂
I think I had this recall unbeknown to me on a visit to the dealer. What I do notice is I go through def like I go through fuel. I had a 2018 that I never had to worry about def level it seemed so long between fill up’s. My 2019 uses so much def I’m gonna buy stock in def blue. I think that’s what the recall does. Pour more def into your filter. Let’s see if I’m right.
Great video you guys make several great points in this video
TFL truck did then up date and tested the truck. Haven't watched the video yet. My big question is why we, as the American people and people around North America giving money to california??? Big question there!!!!
What happens to those that deleted there Cummins will they be made to reinstall the system
I heard that USA customers that don't get the computer re-flashed you won't be able to register your truck ...
Some states, such as California, will not let allow you to register the vehicle until you have a certificate of completion on the recall. This sucks, I have a 17 3500 with 55k on it and then this issue but I am really pissed because I just found out that I have a problem with the turbo, either the VCT or turbo or both. Nice and expensive repair.
At 170k my 2013's exhaust split from the the SCR to the DPF due to clogging. That is $10k in parts. Will they cover the cost to replace that?
My son had his Ram 3500 done. Nothing changed. He is doing a check on the DEF now. He figures that the recall changes the DEF speed limited feature. He ran out of DEF and the speed didn't slow down. He was able to keep speed and the speed limiting only came when he shut the engine off and restarted it. He is checking now what will happen when it runs out of DEF. He figures that the speed limiting will happen at speed on the highway. Search Aaron S. Rose on youtube.
You can do noth8ng about it but here in United States. It won’t pass inspection so either one way or another this diesel issue will get addressed in your truck.
Bunch of places don’t have inspections though.
Even in the USA.
Wonder how many people will flash back the software once recall work done. Then reflash a week before next emissions text. Basically spend time flashing the software back and forth all the time.
I have a 2019 if you don't have the recall done there going to let you register the truck without the certificate its done
Gentlemen, you bring up the most thoughtful points anywhere with pollution, etc. Bravo!
As a private owner, I care about pollution, environment, etc. But, I don’t think in terms of policy in a corporate manner. Is 10% over? 15%? 50%?
I like the way it runs now. If that changes, forget it…..
I wouldn’t let them update my truck. I’d never take it to a dealership again lol
In the U.S. there are reports in some states that you won't be able to register (or renew registration) without the recall.
@@13x wow…Big brother WILL have control. SMH
Might void warranties
Sorry Elmer you will have to do the recall for your tags to be renewed.
Some states require update on license renewal
You would think Ram would want to do important things like fix the grid heater problem and while they do that update the software.
You made some really good points.
Personally if I didn't have to get it "fixed" I wouldn't. But on a different channel they were saying if you didn't get it fixed then you couldn't get a new registration.
Now I'm glad I don't own a Cummins
That only applies in states that require inspections in order to register your vehicle. So glad I don't live in any of them. 😂
well they are head hunting, ford and GM are next. the EPA wants diesel gone
@@chevygirl8275 likewise haha
Glad I don't own one of the other diesels.
@@chevygirl8275first they came for the soviets and I did not speak out because I was not a soviet. Then they came for the Jewish people and i did not speak out because I was not Jewish. Then they came for me and there was nobody left to speak out for me!!!!
If I had opted to keep my VW TDI, I would’ve just had it tuned back to the pre-fix state. It was a small percentage of cars in the 3rd ranked Nox contributor: HD Trucks -> Off-road Construction-> Light Duty Vehicles. Granted, other metros are different. Realistically the VW thing didn’t do a damn thing to affect Nox levels in any measurable way. It did fund a comically unreliable charger network, so there’s that.
If someone decides not to get the recall repaired, can they be fined ?
If truck performance is adversely affected, owners can open a class action suit against Cummings for compensation. That's how you as the owner will be able to address you being duped as a customer and being stuck with a vehicle that nobody will buy from you. The results of that class action suit maybe money or perhaps a requirement from Cummings to purchase your vehicle /engine from you.
Most likely result of that after years will be owners get a small payout
It’s Cummins
Ya my experience with class action suites is lawyers make all the money we will get 300 bucks.
My DPF equipped 6.7L cummins already gets the same fuel economy when towing as my gas V-8 pickup....if it gets worse mileage than it already does then I think we should be getting compensation.
electric automobile advocates are partying hard.
And I'm laughing my ass off on all those Tesla's in Chicago that won't charge because it's TOO COLD! HILARIOUS!!!!!
I hered If you do not fix you will not be able to renew license plate and registration!!!.(a dealer issued certificate will be presented at the DMV that the truck meets emmisions) Hence, you will be running the chance of getting pulled over for expired plates.
Those states with emission tests during their annual state inspections may fail the truck if their computers can pick up the non compliance of the recall. It’s totally not right to not compensate the truck owners if this occurs.
By the way…your video was spot on..good job!!
Another huge issue. Will the deisel exhaust regeneration system work properly.
If I'm paying a bank note for a factory vehicle my state will not give me registration for...lol.....idk man woke up my truck was gone
If they update the software and warranty the emissions system, that’s worth it to me since it’s a faulty system to begin with.
It will burn more fuel and have less power and will have more repair cost for your doc and dpf. I’ve heard that if you don’t do it then this states will not let you register your truck. It’s just them hooking up there lab top and reprogram it no parts to replace.
If you live in California, if you don't take your truck in for the recall, you will not be able to renew your registration
Good subject I'm dealing with the same thing
They should’ve worked the problem backwards. Start with the resolution for the average “Joe six pack” driving all these trucks and work your way up to the big fine for Cummins. Now like you guys said more questions then answers
Cummins should buy back the trucks. Or pay the owners compensation. We bought these trucks with their 6.7 because of the current level of performance. If detuned, less fuel economy or worse longevity then buy it back. Wouldn’t have bought it if that was the case. Cummins guys don’t get upset (have been a Cummins owner since 1989) but the Ford is looking pretty good these days. Better transmission fuel economy and way more power!!!! Ram and Cummins really need to step it up. They are so far behind Ford now.
Depends what state you live in, they can invalidate your registration till you do recall ,that's why you will have to do it
That's how it should be. And they should be personally fined for deleting emissions controls too.
@@51ABIndeed. The law is the law.
Great Video ... Happy Tuesday Everyone ✌️
What happens to all the deleted trucks, that don't want to come to dealers?
It's all a giant money game.
My guess is that the government will compell people to get the recall by canceling registrations. That 2 billion should be made available for full refunds.
Oh, I had thought, and wished it was on the new models as well, because I want one of those defeat devices. Anything to shove it to the government and there over reach.
Rules don't apply to you? Keep on polluting.
@@51ABrules are one thing, tyranny is another!
@@BigBadJohnDieselExactly, the tyrants who ruin my air need to start being prosecuted
If I had my way those federal laws would start getting enforced and we’d have a lot more felons 😂
Where the independent study data that proves this. Not from Cummins or EPA.
I would truly like to see what takes place with actually seeing the NOX rise when a computer is hooked up.
Or in written form.
Steve, always appreciated how down to earth and "calm" this channel was. The title of this is pretty sensationalized/dramatized, I expected that from TFL of course but was hoping you guys wouldn't go there.
If you pull hard it will use more DEF now..
@@brianathey9298has anyone measured that?
I wonder how this will affect international owners or guys like y'all in Canada. It still blows my mind that Cummins can seemingly 'absorb' a 2 Billion dollar hit and not instantly go out of business before they start doing amendatory action.
Add: As I'm thinking about this, a lot of states in the US like the one I live in require yearly emissions testing to renew your registration. How's that supposed to work with a pool of vehicles as large as they're talking where Cummins has three years, but owners sure don't.
Cummins makes most of the big rig engines on the road so 2 billion is nothing for them
California will not reregister one of these without proof of recall being done. So thats another problematic angle current owners have to deal with on top of questions on how it will perform after recall service. Customers should not have to pay for Cummins issues with the government.
If they don’t want to pay, they don’t get to use the roads 😂
If you get the recall done the EPA crap they require will likely mess up your Cummins. Almost every new diesel since 2010 has issues at some point from all of these emissions they require. Just don’t do it. The DEF and the diesel particulate filter are destroying these engines
The government sux like you said can't prove what was damaging as far as putting too much pollutants in the air. What will probably happen as far as getting the recall done is they will not let you register your truck until you prove the recall has been done. Again government blows chunks!!!
I bet states will make it so you can't get the truck registered if they require emissions. So then the owners will have trucks just sitting waiting to get reprogrammed.