I have the same RV and started with a 3500 SRW truck. After a 4000 mile trip I decided to go with a dually. The reduced stress and fatigue was worth the switch.
As you can see in my profile photo, I had bought a 2019 RAM 3500 Dually. I loved the truck. 3 years later I traded it in on a... you guessed it, another RAM 3500 Dually. I love those trucks. The new one has a HO Cummins, Aisin Transmission, 5400lbs of cargo capacity, and just shy of 34,000lbs of towing. Our 5th wheel is 42 feet long and has a GVWR of 16,500lbs. I live in PEI, last year we drove to Cape Breton and back, through the hills of the Cobequit Pass, and Mt Thom and I was passing vehicles up hills, and never had a white knuckle the entire drive. I feel 100% in command of the rig, every second you're behind the wheel. My wife and the dog fell asleep on the drive it is so comfortable, and I was literally driving with one hand through the bulk of the trip. In my humble opinion, RAM has the nicest interior, ours is a Laramie so if you go with a Limited trim, it's even nicer. At one time, I was all about the look of a vehicle, but now that I'm over 50, it's the comfort of the interior and ride! Though my RAM looks nice, I'm more about how it feels to drive, and it's without a doubt one of the nicest trucks I've ever owned. And I've been buying trucks since I turned 16. Now, all that being said, if I was to make a suggestion that is NOT a RAM, I would say an F450 would be my second choice, with the wide front axle and tighter turning radius. But that's all I got!
I just brought home a 2023 Ram 3500 Dually HO from Chicago to Wyoming, and I'm noticing significantly worse fuel efficiency compared to my 2019 Ram 2500 SO. I averaged 17 to 22 mpg at 80 mph (not towing) with my 2019. However, the 3500, equipped with 4.10 gears, is averaging around 13 mpg. At 80 mph, my RPMs are about 2500. Despite adjusting my speed to 65-75 mph, the mileage remained around 13 mpg. The best stretch of my trip, I hit 15 mpg with a strong tailwind while cruising at 70 mph. Curious to hear about the fuel mileage you're getting with your truck
Thanks for the honesty, it's one of the things I look for when watching channels like these. Whatever brand truck you go with next, make sure it is a dually, you need it with a trailer that size
I was in pretty much the same situation last November. I had a 3/4 ton diesel Ford short bed, and a 40 foot Cougar midbunk fifth wheel. Stepped up to a 2022 F-350 dually with the Powerstroke and 10 speed transmission. The difference is almost as huge as going from a 1/2 ton truck to a 3/4. Towing went from nearly white knuckle, to “hey let’s get on the road!!” The stability difference is stunning. Good luck, be safe, keep making great videos!!
Personally, for towing a large camper, I would go for a Dodge 3500 dually with an Aisin HD transmission. Now the dually is wider in the rear and a bit trickier to drive, but it gives you stability. My choice anyway.
I'd definitely go with a dually if I had a big fifth wheel trailer but why the H.O. with Aisin? The S.O. with 68rfe would be a better choice for towing 20k and below. The Aisin's are stout but they drive horribly unladden. The S.O.'s also get better fuel economy.
I disagree. I have a 21 3500 with the HO Cummins & Aisin transmission. It drives fine as long as you let it do it’s thing. If you’re trying to make it something it’s not, you are not going to like it. It’s a truck made to tow, but it’s also my daily driver. Love the truck! That said I have driven a Ford F350. It’s a great truck as well. The new 24 GMC’s are intriguing. I don’t think you can go wrong with any of them. However IMO RAM with that Cummins engine & that exhaust break are tough to beat! Great video!
@@Over_the_Hill_RV_Rookies Not sure which part you disagree, but if it's the "bit trickier to drive" part, I was referring to the rear width of a dually. One needs to make wider turns! I've seen a few turning on sidewalks and curbs (not me, naturally😇😂) and it's a bit harde to find a good parking spot sometimes.
I think this video will attract a Ram crowd and thus most of the recommendations will be for Ram trucks. I'd love to see you test all three 3500 trucks (Ram, Ford, GM) with your travel trailer and you tell us what you chose and why.
I did and because of in my opinion like a car and what I bought is the GMC Duelly. No issues from Las Vegas to the Keys and then from Las Vegas to Alaska and back. Try the GMC.
I have what I think is the same fifth wheel trailer. Mine is a Solitude 310GK 2018 and I was towing it for the past 6 years with a 2017 Chevrolet LTZ 3500 SRW long bed Duramax. Truck did a great job towing the trailer, but I was constantly maxed out on weight. Part of this was because I added a Ranch Hand front bumper and 18k winch, plus a 60 gallon fuel tank in the bed and for quite a while I also had a Onan quiet diesel generator in the bed of the truck too. I would scale my combo everytime I went by my local DOT station that has a free drive on scale with large digital read outs. My normal weights were 5600 front axle, between 7000 and 7500 rear axle and 10,500 on the combined trailer axles. I did find out that keeping the fresh water tank full while driving removed at least 200 lbs from the pin because the water tank is behind the rear axle on the 5er. The GVWR of my 2017 truck was 11,600 and as you can tell I was close to 13,000. I upgraded tires to give me 4080 per tire and added air bags, but I was still over my GVWR. I did end up moving my diesel generator to a custom bracket I made on the rear of the trailer and that put 500 lbs back there. Several weeks ago I purchased a new truck and after long hard thinking, I bought a 2023 GMC Denali Dually. I have to say I don't think weight will be an issue anymore, the truck is very solid and perfect for towing this big trailer. I have yet to hook up the fifth wheel for a haul but it will be happening soon. When I started shopping for a new truck, I looked at Ford, Chevy and GMC and inventory is incredibly low. I ended up buying the truck I got mostly due to it being discounted 6250.00 off of MSRP. Some of the other trucks I looked at were 5000.00 over MSRP. I kind of wanted a 2024 to take advantage of GM's power increase, but when I saw that they only increased HP by 25 and torque by 65 I was happy with the 23 and immediately added a Banks Derringer and I dash that gives me an additional 80 hp and 144 ft lbs at the rear wheels and this is also what I had on my 17, so now I am right around 500 rwhp and 1000 rear wheel torque which feels great.
I have a similar setup with the Ram 2500 Cummins, but the 33.5' Grand Design Reflection which is probably 12,000lbs so not as much weight as you were pulling. I noticed some of what you referred to, but then I added the airbags to the rear. What a difference that made...no more side to side swaying and stopped the excessive up and down bouncing I saw on the areas like crossing over train tracks. I would be curious to see how your experience would have differed with airbags to assist the coil springs in the rear.
I have exactly the same truck/5th wheel. I have timbrens on the back. I'm 80lbs over on the back axle. I plan to resolve that with the crosswings. I don't have any sway. Trucks passing have no impact. I travel at 65. Now I'm concerned that the issue is his crosswing hitch being so narrow at the hitch point.
I pull with basically same truck. 2019 2500 Laramie. Similar trailer. Put shocks on trailer, added Sumo Springs to truck and biggest thing went away from 5th wheel and moved to Reese Goose Box. All of this made the ride experience night and day.
Thank You for Your honesty, and candidness Howard! I am buying a new truck too. I originally was going with a Ram 2500, like Yours. Then I got on UA-cam, and discovered the payload issue with those trucks. It was not going to work for Me. I then switched My deposit over to a Ram 3500. It was a great truck, but was missing a few options that I really wanted. In addition, I could not actually buy the truck, as there was a stop/sale order on those trucks due to a recall on the intake air heaters, which, is still pending. In a roundabout way, probably a good turn of events for Me. I then started doing research on the Chevrolet. I ended up ordering a ‘24 Chevy LTZ 3500. It was basically one trim package higher, than the Ram Bighorn, for the same money. Hard to overlook the 10 speed transmission, larger fuel, and DEF tanks, and a longer box, in Their version of a standard length. Good luck, in Your search for Your new ride.
I have to wonder if payload is exceeded and there was an accident if the insurance company would possibly deny a claim? We tow a 2021 Grand Design Reflection 303 RLS with a 2021 Chevrolet 3500HD LTZ. The truck is diesel and single rear wheel. The hitch is BW non slider. The bed length is 6' 7". There have been no clearance issues in two years and 12,000 towing miles. My average towing fuel mileage is between 10.5 and 12 mpg (we live in the Sierra Mountains). The truck will get as high as 22 mpg not towing on flat highway. In the bed of the truck there is a 60 gallon fuel tank and a tool box mounted on top of it. The truck handles the trailer very well with zero blow by from passing semi trucks. There is no sway or other issues. I ruled out Ford early on due to their use of a known defective Bosch CP4.2 high pressure fuel pump. RAM was second but the lack of a 10 speed transmission did not appeal to me. I am a retired mechanic with over 35 years of on the job experience. I am biased towards GM based on my personal and on the job experiences. Thanks for the video and your no sugar coating of your experience.
Dot will not look at payload in case of pull over or accident in the terms of what a manufacturer claims. It’s all about axles weight ratings and gross. Stay in those and you’ll be golden. Manufacture payload is not the law.
I think the honest truth is that it is really hard to beat the Cummins exhaust braking system. Got several family members that work in construction and they all swear by it after having driven all three major brands extensively with huge loads. That said, I am sure they would all address your complaints from this video if you bumped it to a 3500 8ft bed.
I have a Ram 2500 6.7l diesel I tow a 40 ft 5th wheel I added air bags to support the weight. Have not had any problems. Took a 4,000 mile trip went over the continental divided I passing 18 wheelers at a steady pace without any problems. If you beef up the suspension it would be cheaper then buying another truck.
Your observations are exactly why I purchased X times more truck than what my capacity, axle, tires and GVWR states. Its not so much about being within limits but being in the comfort zone. Its about the journey and getting to the destination relaxed, and not stressed the F out. Everyone do what they want, but F-450 and yanking my 17k GD 349m-r works for me, and completely stress free travels.
Yes everyone says dually as it would be the most stable option. However, you now have to pay for 2 more tires every time you need them, plus the added width in parking lots without a trailer. As a daily driver, a single wheel 3500 would probably suit your needs, but as a full time tow rig, nothing beats a dually. If you look up PD diesel on UA-cam, he runs many 3500 single wheel rams with the aisin transmissions and knows everything about them. He runs hotshot and has many trucks over 500,000 miles towing. Very good option
@christopherbrown1391 The towing capabilities are down on the coil spring truck, since it has less payload capacity. I also believe it's a little less steady when loaded than a leaf spring set up, but I could very well be wrong there
I also have a Ram 2500 pulling 35’ 5th wheel (16,000 lbs) had a terrible sway problem. Replaced the rear sway bar with much larger diameter one and changed the tires . Corrected sway problem. 40K since change with no more sway problems. Wish I would have bought a 3500 but too expensive to change. I would look at the duramax with 10 speed. I love Cummins but I think either truck would serve you well. Best of luck.
"...right at capacity." Glad Howard changed his mind about the truck. If I owned a similar setup I wouldn't want to be on the razor's edge of capacity and as a fellow motorist who has to share the road I don't want HIM to be at that tipping point, either! Looking forward to seeing your next thoroughbred.
I appreciate this discussion from a person that knows and understands what they are talking about. I am a GM fan but I have never pulled something that big.
Clearly, he DOES not understand. If he did, he would not OVERWEIGHT his truck - he KNEW it was over payload and ignored it. Not just putting himself in danger, but put other people on the road in danger. Shame on him. It's one thing for someone who has no idea to do this, but it's sheer recklessness for the TRUCK KING to do it. Really disappointing.
I towed a 44ft 5th toyhauler wheel dry weight of 16k. And loaded about 21k. Height 13.5 as well. I have a 2017 Ram 3500 dully, asin Trans, HO Motor, and 410 rear end. Bearly knew it was there. Right truck for the rig rig and you'll enjoy the drive I promise ya.
Do you haveva class a license. Looking to get a personal trailer with dry weight 12,000lbs with a 21,000gvwr. Looking for same 3509 dually which is capable. Im juat worried would dot give me problems. I will never exceed actual weight of 26,000lbs but the rated gcwr of both truck and trailer is over 26,000l
I have your trailer pulled by a 1 ton ford single rear wheel 4 door anderson hitch, air bags, helwig big rig rear sway bar 6.7 superduty no buffeting no sway under even the worst conditions 65 mph i get 9.5 to 10mpg avg. Drives and pulls the 15000 pounds with ease up and down 9% grades and i set cruise control at 70 mph and it rides as if nothing is behind you! They all are good trucks and ive owned them all but the ford truly is a cut above all of them . and i have to say the rear stabilizer bar was the key to eliminating sway and buffeting.and the air bags that could be adjusted on the fly helped enormously on ride quality.
Have to go with a F350. I live in Alberta, anyone who’s doing any sort of towing (ranchers, oil and gas, trades, forestry etc) is running super duty’s. We have a mix in our fleet and the fords are hands down the best.
5:25, you moving weight to the back behind the axles amplifies the winds affect , your better off just putting it over the axles if possible and be8ng slightly heavier on the drive axle. If I were you I’d get a dually,the 3500 single wheel isn’t going to help much.I’d get a GM truck for the IFS front end it’s just smoother more stable and less issues.
I doubt you’ll read this but from 2014-2018 I hauled a cyclone 4012 and an elkhorn 37mbhs both weighing close to 15k with a 2008 extended cab long bed 2500 duramax. Went from Houston to Redlands, CA with the cyclone with 80 pounds in lifter bags. I didn’t encounter many problems, overweight as hell, yes. Would I do it again? Yes. Is it the right thing to do? Absolutely not. Towed the elkhorn all over California and was happy. Truck did hood towing over the grapevine. Point is, you have much more road time across the United States than I do. A dually would definitely benefit both of us in our own situations, especially if you’re planning on towing more. As far as what truck, all of them scare me. The fuel systems and the emissions systems all scare me for the longevity of the truck. Good luck with your purchases, please keep these videos coming.
It's the rear coil springs! When Expeditions went to coils in the rear my friend bought one and complained that towing was "hell" as the rear end pogoed back and forth and a bit side to side as well. Word on the street you can get a great deal on a 2500 RAM now and dealers have limited inventory of 3500s for this same reason. If you don't need to tow the coils are great for the ride.
We took a trip from west coast to east coast in2015. 36 foot Everest, 4 slides, with a 2005 RAM 3500 dual. Absolute no problems with wind or towing, very stable. Some chucking in the hitch, changed to a Hensley TS3 hitch, WOW what a difference that made. Definitely definitely worth the money.
If you just added a set of rear air bags to assist the coil spring suspension when carrying weight most of your handling issues would likely be eliminated.
Still over payload numbers. Always best to buy enough truck by the numbers. Can always add bags to the bigger truck but you want to be legal from the start.
I have a 22 HO Ram Dually Limited. No regrets. It is a beast. Added a Curt 30k hitch. No compromise and no comparison. Stick with the Ram. My 5th is 14k and change and the truck just shrugs it off.
I think I heard you saw that as long as the other numbers checked out, you were ok pulling over your payload capacity. My own experience is that I put a deposit down on a 5th wheel a couple of years ago before I knew much about these things. The salesman said my 1/2 ton GMC would “pull it just fine”. I came across a computer program to calculate the actual limitations and found that I would be 450 pounds over payload when I added the weight of the hitch, people, cargo, etc. I also discovered that if I were in an accident while over the limit, my insurance wouldn’t cover me and my truck warranty might be voided. I got my deposit back. I personally wouldn’t pull any trailer without a 20% excess capacity buffer. A one ton is the answer. Purpose built.
Loved ur RAM Solitude video. We just purchased a 2023 Solitude 310gk and are pulling w 2016 RAM 2500 Mega cab shortbed. Added 5000lb airbags and decided on Anderson gooseneck hitch (with upgraded pressure plate as recommended). Luv it all and am most impressed w the truck. Pulls great and air bags seem to help a ton. MORryde hitch std on the RV fabulous upgrade to greatly buffer tugging. Also upgraded truck to 50gal tank to reduce stress of always looking for gas. Only been out a few trips but ALL great. Big hills do slow me down to 50-55mph. And a too tight turn on last trip while in a pressured rush to back in blew out my back window. $1k lesson learned as u said. I too will probably by new 3500 long bed diesel next time but for now could not be happier. Luv the truck and LUV the new Solitude, big upgrade from our 20yr old 27’ Fleetwood Wilderness travel trailer we also loved. Stay well, travel safe …
I have 2 truck recommendations for you. #1 would be the Ford F450 - Reason is if you're open to going with a Dually for more stability, i think your trailer is a great option for the F450 and long travels. it will give you the luxury of turning radiace in city driving for a Dually. #2 would be the new 2024 GMC Sierra 3500 SRW. I believe that truck has one of the best comforts of driving in long distances if staying away from DRW. I think the new interior is attractive. I've always been a ford guy in terms of diesel but it seems that Duramax with the allison transmission is much more reliable in cold weather based on friends experiences and opinions. Good luck and look forward to seeing what you select.
I just purchased a RAM 3500, I had a short wheel bad 2500 RAM and had the same problems. We just traveled 3500 miles with the new RAM 3500 with single tires on the rear, I ordered a 50 gallon fuel tank also. Best decision, the 2500 did well BUT! It was unsafe to travel with my family. Thanks for sharing your experience.
@timothyculliver1993 I currently tow with the 2500 and considering the 3500 as we want to upgrade from bumper pull to travel trailer. May I ask what kind of auxiliary tank you purchased? Short bed truck? TIA👍.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I'd love for more actual life experience content like this. People who use their equipment and maybe more content on the best fit for the application. I'm looking at starting to haul a lot with a gooseneck trailer soon 20+ foot long with heavier loads (around 10,000 lbs) than what I have hauled in the past. My previous experience is mostly towing with a traditional receiver hitch with a 16' utility trailer for mowers, firewood etc. I'll look for your newer video to see what you ended up with.
I ran a conventional hitch 30' enclosed car hauler with a 14k gvw with my 2011 Ram 2500 diesel. Payload was always the issue and in the US you can get ticketed for being over payload. I swapped to 3500 leaf springs to avoid being nose high, but always made sure that I was under payload. After 12 years I finally got tired of the payload issues. Sold the Ram for $12k less than I paid for it (including taxes and fees was $42k new, sold for $30k). Ordered an F450, which I still don't have 18 months later.
Hello from Vaughan, Ontario Had a similar issue with an even bigger GD 5th wheel. We had a F250 Diesel and purchased a GD 3950BH-R. I knew at the time the 250 would tow it but it would not be safe or legal. Ordered a 2022 F350 Dually with Diesel and have been a happy camper since. Driving is a one hand operation and peaceful. We have done an East Coast trip last summer with zero issues. TK I know it's a few weeks since you posted but if you would like I'm pretty sure we are not that far away from eachother and if you want to try it with your GD offer is open.
I have a F350 6.7 and I tow a 35 foot 12K fifth wheel. What really helped me was using a Reese Gen 3 goose neck. It has the 2 shocks and the airbag . Not sure if this will help you. Also I run 80 psi in my rear tires. That stiffens up the side walls
If you look at a newer GM, you’ll find that the hitch point to cab is about the same as a Ram 8 foot bed. Thereby eliminating the need for a sliding hitch that takes up half your bed. That new bed is actually 6 foot 10 inches.
You are completely right about the payload rating and weights. For your issue with the buffeting, it's probably because the trailer is too balanced on its axles and you put the extra weight in its rear. Look at where the axles are placed and where you said you placed the cargo you put in it. Before you go look at new one ton trucks and get sticker shock how much more they are (as well as the much higher interest if getting a loan) compared to your 2019, put some airbags in the truck and don't put all of your cargo in the rear of the trailer. A set of airbags and a sliding hitch is a whole lot cheaper than a new 1 ton
I'm running a 2012 Ram 3500 Long box with the Cummins and love it. With a 30 ft long fully loaded (full water tank too) travel trailer I'm getting about 16 L/100 kms. if I upgrade to a 5th wheel, I plan to put on a Reese Goose box on the trailer and use the gooseneck ball (it's a B&W turnover hitch) . I bought this truck used for about 1/5 of the price of a new unit as we're doing things on a budget. Best of luck finding your new truck.
I’m in the same boat with my RAM 2500 and a Reflection 5th wheel. It’s a lighter trailer (12k gross) but still puts me over payload. Like you, I am under the tire and axle capacity but I’d like the piece of mind having a 1 ton. Unfortunately between truck prices and interest rates I really can’t justify it for the weekend warrior style of towing we do. That said, if I was buying today I would be looking pretty hard at the ‘24 GM trucks. Since I’m not in a rush, I’m still holding out hope that RAM makes a transmission change in the coming years. I’ve been really happy with my truck.
I have a 2019 2500 Cummins also. I tow my 36ft raptor fifth wheel with it. I bought bags to help with the sag and it’s perfectly fine. I’ll move my in laws 43ft solitude 3k pin weight on my set up also. Zero issues. Recommendation, get a B&W companion (not a slider) it’s what I run. Can nearly break 90* and I have zero jolt or fluctuation when traveling.
Hi...i think the positioning of your 5th wheel and a trailer that size would need to be on or just slightly ahead of the axle..[ so that being said the long box will help ]...putting more weight behind you trailer axles will surely cause handling issues.
Ram 2500 springs (coils or full air) are located inboard the frame and contribute to that instability. Add air bags and your 2500 will tow (stabilize) much better. Still prefer a 3500 long bed for a heavy GVWR and widebody drop frame 5th wheel. I run a 2020 3500 HO SRW that tows everything like a dream. Been there on the 2500 many years ago and learned that lesson the hard way.
The Ford SD would have given you the extra 5” needed if you went with that original aka the short bed. And you could have had the Tremor too. Plus payload would not have been an issue. But if you’re going all out, then non Tremor FX4 with the long bed would do the trick. If you don’t want to go into the F-450 Dually.
The GCVWR also includes maintaining a certain speed on a grade, braking performance, and cooing engine and transmission in extreme heat. In the 150 series pickups my experience as you get closer to GCVWR also has been less than desirable handling overall. The stiffer the suspension and the heavier the truck platform , the more secure it will feel.
One thing to keep in mind when loading up a trailer, if you load too much gear behind the RV axel to relieve the rear truck axel of some weight, it will impact how the truck performs under hard acceleration and hard deceleration. The reason is that under hard acceleration the weight behind the RV axel effectively pushes the back of the RV down, causing the RV to act like a lever and lift on the back of the truck. Not ideal! Conversely, when braking hard from highway speed, if you've moved gear back to lower your hitch weight, just to "lower your payload", the truck will suddenly find itself exceeding the payload, which can create a dangerous situation with the trucks steering. The front wheels may lose some grip; and if you're lucky, you'll stop before going off the road. If you're going round a bend, you could end up taking your RV + Truck off-road at highway speed.
I went from Virginia to Maine and down to Florida last year with my F350 dually, 8' bed, 6.7L pulling a 40' Grand design fifth wheel. I'm leaving in a week on a coast to coast trip. This is what i have done to improve this up coming trip. S&B 68 gallon fuel tank. I was also getting 10mpg. Getting in and out of gas stations is where accidents can happen. The larger tank will allow me to fill up after i drop the camper off at the RV park. Reese 3rd generation gooseneck. The chucking wasn't bad with the factory fifth wheel but this will definitely smooth out the ride on those rough roads and free up my bed space. Trailer tire monitoring and Viair 12V tankless air compressor. The compressor is great for filling tires on the spot and the kids floats.
We have a Grand Design toy hauler, it's triple axel so it's a big one. We tow with a 3500 dually with a long bed, pretty sure you will be very happy with a dually. It's amazing how much better they tow than a 3/4 ton.
I have a similar set up, ram 2500 and jayco 29.5 bus 5th wheel; the way that we solve the turn radius issue is with a turn point 5th wheel hitch. We can make a 90° turn no problem and because it is a normal hitch we have no side to side movement. We are in Alberta and travel through the mountain and prairie so lots of different condition and never had a problem.
I have a DRV Fifth wheel with very similar specs to yours... I am pulling it with a 3500 Dodge 6 1/2 foot bed and a pull right sliding hitch.... I couldn't be happier ... Because it's my daily driver and I live in a urban area in Ontario and 8 foot box is impractical.. Even with the shorter wheelbase, I have the air ride suspension and an air ride pin box and I hardly noticed the trailer back there at all other than of course the weight... I think you'll be very happy with whatever configuration of 3500 you buy I agree with you coil Springs or not made for towing...
I made the same mistake as you. My Montana pin weight is 2300, the payload of my 2019 Ram 2500 was 2300. Firestone airbags got the truck level and it towed ok but I was illegal. Probably by 1500 lbs. And this scenario hasn't been brought up but think about this. You get involved in a wreck, your fault, their fault, no one's fault, a good attorney may force you to account for all the extra weight your carrying and once it's been determined that you were over your truck's payload, you may be on your own. After one year of ownership, I switched to a Ram dually, same engine and transmission. My mpg didn't change a measurable amount. If you upgrade, look for one with the 50 gallon fuel tank. Yes the dually isn't much fun as a daily driver but everything in life is a compromise.....good luck and thanks for the video!
Just bought a 5ver toy hauler that weighs 12,000# dry 16,500# GVWR. I have a HD F-250 which is rated for 13,000 5th wheel towing. With all things considered pros/cons, I believe I would be on the edge with a F350 SRW. Although inconvenient as a daily driver, we will be getting a F350 or F450 dually for stability and several reasons not driving near the edge of comfort. Thank You for yet another video I've watched to help me confirm what I believe to be the right choice for me.
About the side winds. Depending on how much wind you’re talking about, tractor trailers get that to and your trailer is almost as tall and you’re using a smaller truck to pull it. As far as the cross winds go I dont think using a 2500 matters. I think the problem could have been how much the suspension moves and bounces. I was planning on getting a single wheel 3500.
Howard, had a good time watching this. I've got a 21 Tundra and tow a Jayco 242bhs. Just got back from an Ontario to Tennessee trip and dealt with the same issues. I've now got my eye out for a 2500 that I can drive around and also travel with.
I just sold my '18 tundra and got a ram 2500 w/6.7. I tow an enclosed sand car trailer around 8k. Couldn't be happier. Tundra was white knuckle everywhere I towed. 2500 doesn't even feel it. And Howard is right about the ram exhaust brake, they nailed it. It works really well in both the full brake setting and the auto setting.
We have a 2020 solitude 310GK and we are pulling with a 2021 Ram 3500 DRW, 8' box, factory air bags. Love it! worries about weight or towing capacity. We switched from a 2500 Chevy for the same reason as you. the other consideration is insurance coverage if you are over posted weight rating, as well as possibility of being ticketed for being overweight and possibly holding the trailer until you got a heavier truck.
You can argue/debate all day long but every truck/camper/hitch combo will act differently. I’ve towed tens of thousands of miles with multiple combos and it’s never the same. Right now I’m well over my Ram 2500 limit and everything is perfect 😂😂😂
I have a 2021 Ram 1500 Warlock that I tow my Grand Design Transcend 261BHSE with. The moment I had left the dealership I had begun to have that side to side motion. I had bought the ProPride 3P hitch for the sway and weight Distrobution control. I had changed out my tires to the Michelin Agilis Cross Climates, Load range E, from the the stock Yokohama Geolander tires. Immediately felt a huge difference to the towing. I live in norther Nevada and have traveled all over the west coast towing that travel trailer. I can say, the hitch and the tires bad a huge difference. I would definitely check it out.
I think it'd actually IMPROVE the ride if you had more tongue weight, and removing weight from the front of the trailer might have actually reduced the stability. The symptoms you mention sound very much like trailer sway due to not enough tongue weight. What I'm getting at is that these problems would not necessarily disappear on a 3500, either, unless you increase the tongue weight. The coils are not a bad thing for towing at all (besides capacity issues) in my opinion: )
I'm not an expert but I think you are on to something. Top Gear did an episode on why Europeans seem to tow the same travel trailers with midsized cars that Americans tow with big trucks. The answer was tongue weight and speed. They put a lot less weight on the tongue, which allows them to pull a heavier trailer, but they absolutely must do so at a lower max speed of around 60mph to avoid the sway that TK seems to have encountered. Thus the meme of rolling road block caravans in Europe. Here in 'Murica we want to tow big trailers at autobahn speeds, and the way we do it is by putting more weight on the tongue to increase stability at higher speeds. But that means we need big trucks with high GVWRs as our tow vehicles. So yes I agree that TK needs a lighter trailer, bigger truck, or both.
I have run Silverado HDs for 14 years towing travel trailers and fifth wheels (Current is a Montana High Country 330RL) and have never had an issue. My current 2021 has the 10 speed and the 445HP engine and with the engine brake, it’s amazing in the mountains. We live in Edmonton but pull into BC and also down into Montana and Idaho. I updated my trailer tires to 14 ply and also run a TPMS system on them. I also upgraded to the MorRyde wet bolt system and upgraded shackles on my trailer suspension for peace of mind. If you are considering a Chev/GMC, the standard bed is 6ft 10 and with a fixed Curt Q25 on the puck system, I have no clearance issues with a tight turn. I actually dropped my slider system last summer as I never used it and it saved me 120lbs of weight!
Love the information. I have a 2022 Limited Longhorn 2500. I looked at fifth wheels but landed on a Momentum 25G bumper-pull toy hauler. Hitch weight, overall size, it really works perfect. And I have the bed of my pickup and all our stuff in the back of the hauler.
I've been towing my 30' Artic Fox 5th wheel for over 10 years with a 2005 Dodge 2500 short bed Cummins. The trailer is 9,000 lbs dry. My wife and I full-timed in it for 1.5 years and just got back from a 2,600 mile trip where we were pulling multiple mountain passes at 7,000+ feet in Utah and Nevada. I love the short bed Dodge for it's ability to maneuver in tight places. My slider hitch keeps the tongue weight over my rear axle for towing stability and in a pinch (seldom needed) will give me all the clearance I need. If I purchased a new truck for this trailer I'd go with a short bed again. That said, I prefer back road towing at 60-65 mph speed. If I were to go with a bigger trailer I'd definitely go 8' bed for the longer wheel base and consider a 3500. I too am interested in how the new gas engines compare with new diesels.
I have driven chevys as off 2004 after driving ford trucks before and got sick of them breaking. I’ve had a ram 3500 dually for a year now. That would most likely be my choice if I had to buy a new truck. And yes all my trucks have had the 8’ bed but the fords the where 7’8” or so if I remember couldn’t buy an 8’ ladder in them laying down. I do love the duramax , but really enjoy my new ram 3500. My camper is 16000 when loaded and have no issues pulling it at all .
I’ve driven a lot of different HDs. The Ram is, by far, the best hauler of large 5th wheels. I recommend a Ram 3500 dually, 8’ box, with rear auto-leveling rear suspension. Simply amazing for this task. You won’t be disappointed.
I’d really love a ram. Mainly because their interior is so comfortable. I drive a lot. Typically don’t tow anything more than a 10k travel trailer and a 3k work trailer. There is the occasion I’ll be towning something heavy like a skidsteer, dump trailer full of rocks, etc. my 17 duramax has been a dream. Nearly to 200k miles not a single problem. Defiantly helps having a lot of highway miles, keeps the emissions system clean. I’ve learned diesels do best when you work them.
Yea, you were certainly pushing the weight. We have a '16 2500 MegaCab with the 6.4l and 35' Cougar (316RLS) that weighed in at 12.5k on the scales loaded up for a 10 day trip (gene, ice chest, some wood, etc.). We exceeded payload (not quite 3k pounds for our config) by 600# but were well under the rear axle rating (front was almost identical to unloaded). I run airbags and it takes 40psi to level the truck back out (we have a Thuren level kit up front) and I have a 16k Goosebox installed on the trailer. This setup tows great (I wouldn't trade the Goosebox for anything now) but I'm also stepping up to a 3500 ('24 GMC) in the event I go with a heavier trailer in the future. I'm guessing you're probably about 1k heavier on the pin weight and that (possibly coupled with the hitch setup you run) have made a significant difference in how it pulls (I don't get pushed around by other vehicles or reasonable winds). I actually love the factory 5 link under the rear of the 2500s and wish they'd use it on the 3500s as well.
I have a '15 MegaCab Cummins and have not purchased a trailer yet. Should I skip 5th wheels entirely and stick with a travel trailer? I like this truck way too much to swap it out for something different. I'm running a compound turbo setup and have more grunt than I know what to do with. Will upgrade transmission when I start towing.
@@stiffmeister0hYeah Fine if it's a 3500 but the 2500 diesel is the worst combination you can have when it comes to payload capacity in a Ram. Will it tow, absolutely. Is it safe? Highly likely since is has the same chassis, same brakes, same axle, and rear gear. The only difference is the 5 link/coil spring vs leafs between the 2500 and 3500. Only you can make that call. And for what it's worth, the '24 GMC 3500 has been fantastic. The ride unloaded is better. Loaded they're pretty close (I think the Ram was actually a little more stable but this could be a tire issue since I've never towed on a Goodyear). Interior wise, the GMC is amazing in all regards except for the Bose premium sound which is trash compared to the Ram's Alpine branded system.
If you haven’t traded it in yet I would try helper air springs/bags first. 2500 and 3500 run the same frames, axles and brakes. The only difference is the suspension not included the drw’s. I’m sure you know by know but in case you don’t, you can buy a auto sliding 5th wheel to compensate for your short bed which will keep your rear window from being hit. Lastly, I know it seems like a good idea but unloading the pin weight by adding counterweight to the rear of the trailer is a recipe for disaster.
Just picked up a 2019 Ram 2500 with 8 foot box last week.. only 79000kms. (This is up near Ottawa). Amazing truck and has all the fancies especially for a Big Horn. I feel like I'm driving around in a luxury sports car with lots of power. Pulls my 7 ton drump trailer like its nothing. I did notice a crazy sway when I was hauling a bumper pull 36ft camper up and back near Petawawa. I would NEVER want to do that again. White knuckle the whole way and couldn't go over 80kms/hr without the truck wanting to veer randomly into oncoming traffic.
I had a midsize toyhauler 5th wheel and 3500 SRW. Within ratings and I felt it drove fine. I started shopping for a big 5th wheel, so I upgraded to a dually first. Towing the same midsize 5th wheel with the dually, I’d arrive at the riding area (narrow winding patchy mountain road) ready to go ride. With the SRW I’d arrive needing to rest. The dually is just more planted, and much less fatiguing than you’d think.
Hey truck king I hope you get this I’m a truck driver since 06 had 2500 most of my life but did not like the feel and I know what I’m feeling in my but so last truck a16 ram 3500 srw night and day difference and I pull doubles I can’t do daul wheel with no automatic car wash plus two more tires to replace . Also short bed looks nice. But longbed makes huge difference so my suggestion to you go get a ram 3500 SRW Longbed and update the difference to all your subscribers.
3500 dually 4wd Duramax.... with 8 ft long bed. ... trim level is up to you. Additionally the cab size.. regular.. 4 door.. or crew cab 4 door. All of which has an effect on load capacity. Would also look at using a tire properly suited for heavy duty hauling.
We were so close to getting a 2500 to pull a 10K 30 foot fifth wheel we were going to buy. After seeing the payload of about 2100 on the truck we were about to buy, even though yes the axles were enough, we spoke to our sales guy and got a 3500 diesel with 4200 payload. Not ever looking back. Now I can have 2000 on the hitch and still have 2100 left in payload.
I highly recommend a dually for that trailer weight. You will be so much happier. My 5th wheel tops out at 14K within my trucks capacity and I ended up converting my F250 To a dually and it was night and day difference.
we stepped up to a 1 ton dually so we would always meet GVWR requirements - and not have to worry about what we packed in the rig. Bigger benefit has been the great stability those extra wheels provide out back - just wonderful.
Im running a 19’ 3500 Cummins with timbrens on the rear end, truck rides so good towing my GD reflection 28bh, I’ve had other people approach me and ask what I have, because they seen how good I was doing in bad crosswinds, and windy roads where the truck trailer just feels planted
Thanks for sharing your story. I dig your Ram truck. It’s gorgeous. My wife and I just purchased a Ram Laramie 3500 6.7 H/O DRW with the AISIN to pull a the new Toy Hauler. I’ve never owned a truck or an Rv so your video helped me out with understanding things a little bit more. I’ve been told that the truck we purchased is a bit overkill for the smaller sized Travel Trailer Toy Hauler we bought but we wanted room to grow. Maybe one day we will get into a larger 5th wheel toy hauler but since I’m new to this Rv towing thing i didn’t want to get in over my head. I look forward to future videos. ✌🏽
I busted out my rear window cranking my camper with a regular box too 1 year old kid back there got showered with glass. Nobody hurt. Longbox for life now
Assuming you have 10 ply tires. Anything less can cause sway. Weight transfer to the rear of the towed vehicle will cause sway and instability. Definitely go bigger ! subbed.
would love to see a BIG comparo of HD duellys towing heavy... an hour long at least. if you could throw in the F450 as well as the 3500's because of the turning circle that would be an EPIC video !
I would by a ford. I own a 19 f250. I love this truck. I love the 6.7 powerstroke. I also have a new work truck that’s a 22 f350 single wheel. When towing the ten speed makes this engine even better
GM 3500 add the timbren rubbers. The new interior is wonderful and quiet and dually or single will handle it. Can't say enough about my Denali. The big three are neck and neck neck
My understanding is that the Rail-mounted CrossWing (which it looks like you have) gives 5" of offset. It's the gooseball mounted crosswing that has the 8.5" offset.
Wow refreshing! Someone actually did the research made a decision and rolled with it. BUT told the truth after the fact!
Thanks!
I have the same RV and started with a 3500 SRW truck. After a 4000 mile trip I decided to go with a dually. The reduced stress and fatigue was worth the switch.
As you can see in my profile photo, I had bought a 2019 RAM 3500 Dually. I loved the truck. 3 years later I traded it in on a... you guessed it, another RAM 3500 Dually. I love those trucks. The new one has a HO Cummins, Aisin Transmission, 5400lbs of cargo capacity, and just shy of 34,000lbs of towing. Our 5th wheel is 42 feet long and has a GVWR of 16,500lbs. I live in PEI, last year we drove to Cape Breton and back, through the hills of the Cobequit Pass, and Mt Thom and I was passing vehicles up hills, and never had a white knuckle the entire drive. I feel 100% in command of the rig, every second you're behind the wheel. My wife and the dog fell asleep on the drive it is so comfortable, and I was literally driving with one hand through the bulk of the trip. In my humble opinion, RAM has the nicest interior, ours is a Laramie so if you go with a Limited trim, it's even nicer. At one time, I was all about the look of a vehicle, but now that I'm over 50, it's the comfort of the interior and ride! Though my RAM looks nice, I'm more about how it feels to drive, and it's without a doubt one of the nicest trucks I've ever owned. And I've been buying trucks since I turned 16. Now, all that being said, if I was to make a suggestion that is NOT a RAM, I would say an F450 would be my second choice, with the wide front axle and tighter turning radius. But that's all I got!
I just brought home a 2023 Ram 3500 Dually HO from Chicago to Wyoming, and I'm noticing significantly worse fuel efficiency compared to my 2019 Ram 2500 SO. I averaged 17 to 22 mpg at 80 mph (not towing) with my 2019. However, the 3500, equipped with 4.10 gears, is averaging around 13 mpg. At 80 mph, my RPMs are about 2500. Despite adjusting my speed to 65-75 mph, the mileage remained around 13 mpg. The best stretch of my trip, I hit 15 mpg with a strong tailwind while cruising at 70 mph. Curious to hear about the fuel mileage you're getting with your truck
@@BacAtYouthe HO is much thirstier, and that axle ratio is not doing your unloaded fuel economy any favors. Should tow like a beast though!
Thanks for the honesty, it's one of the things I look for when watching channels like these. Whatever brand truck you go with next, make sure it is a dually, you need it with a trailer that size
I was in pretty much the same situation last November. I had a 3/4 ton diesel Ford short bed, and a 40 foot Cougar midbunk fifth wheel. Stepped up to a 2022 F-350 dually with the Powerstroke and 10 speed transmission. The difference is almost as huge as going from a 1/2 ton truck to a 3/4. Towing went from nearly white knuckle, to “hey let’s get on the road!!” The stability difference is stunning. Good luck, be safe, keep making great videos!!
Personally, for towing a large camper, I would go for a Dodge 3500 dually with an Aisin HD transmission. Now the dually is wider in the rear and a bit trickier to drive, but it gives you stability. My choice anyway.
It’s meant for the bigger loads lol
I'd definitely go with a dually if I had a big fifth wheel trailer but why the H.O. with Aisin? The S.O. with 68rfe would be a better choice for towing 20k and below. The Aisin's are stout but they drive horribly unladden. The S.O.'s also get better fuel economy.
I disagree. I have a 21 3500 with the HO Cummins & Aisin transmission. It drives fine as long as you let it do it’s thing. If you’re trying to make it something it’s not, you are not going to like it. It’s a truck made to tow, but it’s also my daily driver. Love the truck! That said I have driven a Ford F350. It’s a great truck as well. The new 24 GMC’s are intriguing. I don’t think you can go wrong with any of them. However IMO RAM with that Cummins engine & that exhaust break are tough to beat! Great video!
@@Over_the_Hill_RV_Rookies Not sure which part you disagree, but if it's the "bit trickier to drive" part, I was referring to the rear width of a dually. One needs to make wider turns! I've seen a few turning on sidewalks and curbs (not me, naturally😇😂) and it's a bit harde to find a good parking spot sometimes.
@@sylvain-paulcote5470 I wasn’t disagreeing with your comment but the comment by 4WDiesels about the drivability of the Aisin. I love mine!
I think this video will attract a Ram crowd and thus most of the recommendations will be for Ram trucks. I'd love to see you test all three 3500 trucks (Ram, Ford, GM) with your travel trailer and you tell us what you chose and why.
I did and because of in my opinion like a car and what I bought is the GMC Duelly. No issues from Las Vegas to the Keys and then from Las Vegas to Alaska and back. Try the GMC.
The Duallys are all towing beasts, I have the Chevy and I tow a trailer much larger than his with ease.
I love ford. But i would probably swing for the gmc
I think this video will attract the Prius crowd.
Yeah, it's not professional grade though.
I have what I think is the same fifth wheel trailer. Mine is a Solitude 310GK 2018 and I was towing it for the past 6 years with a 2017 Chevrolet LTZ 3500 SRW long bed Duramax. Truck did a great job towing the trailer, but I was constantly maxed out on weight. Part of this was because I added a Ranch Hand front bumper and 18k winch, plus a 60 gallon fuel tank in the bed and for quite a while I also had a Onan quiet diesel generator in the bed of the truck too. I would scale my combo everytime I went by my local DOT station that has a free drive on scale with large digital read outs. My normal weights were 5600 front axle, between 7000 and 7500 rear axle and 10,500 on the combined trailer axles. I did find out that keeping the fresh water tank full while driving removed at least 200 lbs from the pin because the water tank is behind the rear axle on the 5er. The GVWR of my 2017 truck was 11,600 and as you can tell I was close to 13,000. I upgraded tires to give me 4080 per tire and added air bags, but I was still over my GVWR. I did end up moving my diesel generator to a custom bracket I made on the rear of the trailer and that put 500 lbs back there. Several weeks ago I purchased a new truck and after long hard thinking, I bought a 2023 GMC Denali Dually. I have to say I don't think weight will be an issue anymore, the truck is very solid and perfect for towing this big trailer. I have yet to hook up the fifth wheel for a haul but it will be happening soon. When I started shopping for a new truck, I looked at Ford, Chevy and GMC and inventory is incredibly low. I ended up buying the truck I got mostly due to it being discounted 6250.00 off of MSRP. Some of the other trucks I looked at were 5000.00 over MSRP. I kind of wanted a 2024 to take advantage of GM's power increase, but when I saw that they only increased HP by 25 and torque by 65 I was happy with the 23 and immediately added a Banks Derringer and I dash that gives me an additional 80 hp and 144 ft lbs at the rear wheels and this is also what I had on my 17, so now I am right around 500 rwhp and 1000 rear wheel torque which feels great.
I have a similar setup with the Ram 2500 Cummins, but the 33.5' Grand Design Reflection which is probably 12,000lbs so not as much weight as you were pulling. I noticed some of what you referred to, but then I added the airbags to the rear. What a difference that made...no more side to side swaying and stopped the excessive up and down bouncing I saw on the areas like crossing over train tracks. I would be curious to see how your experience would have differed with airbags to assist the coil springs in the rear.
I have exactly the same truck/5th wheel. I have timbrens on the back. I'm 80lbs over on the back axle. I plan to resolve that with the crosswings. I don't have any sway. Trucks passing have no impact. I travel at 65. Now I'm concerned that the issue is his crosswing hitch being so narrow at the hitch point.
I pull with basically same truck. 2019 2500 Laramie. Similar trailer. Put shocks on trailer, added Sumo Springs to truck and biggest thing went away from 5th wheel and moved to Reese Goose Box. All of this made the ride experience night and day.
Thank You for Your honesty, and candidness Howard! I am buying a new truck too. I originally was going with a Ram 2500, like Yours. Then I got on UA-cam, and discovered the payload issue with those trucks. It was not going to work for Me. I then switched My deposit over to a Ram 3500. It was a great truck, but was missing a few options that I really wanted. In addition, I could not actually buy the truck, as there was a stop/sale order on those trucks due to a recall on the intake air heaters, which, is still pending. In a roundabout way, probably a good turn of events for Me. I then started doing research on the Chevrolet. I ended up ordering a ‘24 Chevy LTZ 3500. It was basically one trim package higher, than the Ram Bighorn, for the same money. Hard to overlook the 10 speed transmission, larger fuel, and DEF tanks, and a longer box, in Their version of a standard length. Good luck, in Your search for Your new ride.
Ram 3500 HD hall the way 6 weels
See you tmmrw Truck King. Thanks for the notice on the show
I have to wonder if payload is exceeded and there was an accident if the insurance company would possibly deny a claim?
We tow a 2021 Grand Design Reflection 303 RLS with a 2021 Chevrolet 3500HD LTZ. The truck is diesel and single rear wheel. The hitch is BW non slider. The bed length is 6' 7". There have been no clearance issues in two years and 12,000 towing miles. My average towing fuel mileage is between 10.5 and 12 mpg (we live in the Sierra Mountains). The truck will get as high as 22 mpg not towing on flat highway. In the bed of the truck there is a 60 gallon fuel tank and a tool box mounted on top of it. The truck handles the trailer very well with zero blow by from passing semi trucks. There is no sway or other issues.
I ruled out Ford early on due to their use of a known defective Bosch CP4.2 high pressure fuel pump. RAM was second but the lack of a 10 speed transmission did not appeal to me. I am a retired mechanic with over 35 years of on the job experience. I am biased towards GM based on my personal and on the job experiences.
Thanks for the video and your no sugar coating of your experience.
Dot will not look at payload in case of pull over or accident in the terms of what a manufacturer claims. It’s all about axles weight ratings and gross. Stay in those and you’ll be golden. Manufacture payload is not the law.
Glad you had a safe trip, in my opinion a Cummings or Power stroke is the way to go, both have crazy torque numbers. Can't wait to see what you get.
Who’s cumming
I think the honest truth is that it is really hard to beat the Cummins exhaust braking system. Got several family members that work in construction and they all swear by it after having driven all three major brands extensively with huge loads. That said, I am sure they would all address your complaints from this video if you bumped it to a 3500 8ft bed.
I have a Ram 2500 6.7l diesel I tow a 40 ft 5th wheel I added air bags to support the weight. Have not had any problems.
Took a 4,000 mile trip went over the continental divided I passing 18 wheelers at a steady pace without any problems. If you beef up the suspension it would be cheaper then buying another truck.
All you are saying is to only be concerned with the numbers you do meet and not the ones you don't. Brilliant.
Your observations are exactly why I purchased X times more truck than what my capacity, axle, tires and GVWR states. Its not so much about being within limits but being in the comfort zone. Its about the journey and getting to the destination relaxed, and not stressed the F out. Everyone do what they want, but F-450 and yanking my 17k GD 349m-r works for me, and completely stress free travels.
Yes everyone says dually as it would be the most stable option. However, you now have to pay for 2 more tires every time you need them, plus the added width in parking lots without a trailer. As a daily driver, a single wheel 3500 would probably suit your needs, but as a full time tow rig, nothing beats a dually. If you look up PD diesel on UA-cam, he runs many 3500 single wheel rams with the aisin transmissions and knows everything about them. He runs hotshot and has many trucks over 500,000 miles towing. Very good option
You should look at The F450 Dually on 19.5's. Good for heavy hauling and that trailer certainly ID's as heavy!
I'll never understand why they stuck coil springs on a 3/4 ton truck instead of leaf springs. I can get it for a half ton, but not anything bigger
@steve timleck Doesn’t matter. It should be capable for what it *can* do, not what many of them will *normally* do.
Go questions I would like to know the advantages of both when towing
@christopherbrown1391 The towing capabilities are down on the coil spring truck, since it has less payload capacity. I also believe it's a little less steady when loaded than a leaf spring set up, but I could very well be wrong there
Basically to improve the ride. That always comes with a consequence though of reduced weight carrying performance.
It’s 2024 all about air ride
I also have a Ram 2500 pulling 35’ 5th wheel (16,000 lbs) had a terrible sway problem. Replaced the rear sway bar with much larger diameter one and changed the tires . Corrected sway problem. 40K since change with no more sway problems. Wish I would have bought a 3500 but too expensive to change. I would look at the duramax with 10 speed. I love Cummins but I think either truck would serve you well. Best of luck.
"...right at capacity." Glad Howard changed his mind about the truck. If I owned a similar setup I wouldn't want to be on the razor's edge of capacity and as a fellow motorist who has to share the road I don't want HIM to be at that tipping point, either! Looking forward to seeing your next thoroughbred.
I appreciate this discussion from a person that knows and understands what they are talking about.
I am a GM fan but I have never pulled something that big.
Clearly, he DOES not understand. If he did, he would not OVERWEIGHT his truck - he KNEW it was over payload and ignored it. Not just putting himself in danger, but put other people on the road in danger. Shame on him. It's one thing for someone who has no idea to do this, but it's sheer recklessness for the TRUCK KING to do it. Really disappointing.
We have a 4th gen 3500 dually 8ft bed and we are extremely pleased pulling 34ft 10k bumper.
Good luck you will love the 3500
I towed a 44ft 5th toyhauler wheel dry weight of 16k. And loaded about 21k. Height 13.5 as well. I have a 2017 Ram 3500 dully, asin Trans, HO Motor, and 410 rear end. Bearly knew it was there. Right truck for the rig rig and you'll enjoy the drive I promise ya.
Do you haveva class a license. Looking to get a personal trailer with dry weight 12,000lbs with a 21,000gvwr. Looking for same 3509 dually which is capable. Im juat worried would dot give me problems. I will never exceed actual weight of 26,000lbs but the rated gcwr of both truck and trailer is over 26,000l
I have your trailer pulled by a 1 ton ford single rear wheel 4 door anderson hitch, air bags, helwig big rig rear sway bar 6.7 superduty no buffeting no sway under even the worst conditions 65 mph i get 9.5 to 10mpg avg. Drives and pulls the 15000 pounds with ease up and down 9% grades and i set cruise control at 70 mph and it rides as if nothing is behind you! They all are good trucks and ive owned them all but the ford truly is a cut above all of them . and i have to say the rear stabilizer bar was the key to eliminating sway and buffeting.and the air bags that could be adjusted on the fly helped enormously on ride quality.
Have to go with a F350. I live in Alberta, anyone who’s doing any sort of towing (ranchers, oil and gas, trades, forestry etc) is running super duty’s. We have a mix in our fleet and the fords are hands down the best.
an after market air bag system would be less expensive than a new truck.
That would not have helped with the 6' bed.
@@Mike-01234 i dont recall bed length being an issue.
I would’ve bought a smaller and lighter fifth wheel. 😂
5:25, you moving weight to the back behind the axles amplifies the winds affect , your better off just putting it over the axles if possible and be8ng slightly heavier on the drive axle. If I were you I’d get a dually,the 3500 single wheel isn’t going to help much.I’d get a GM truck for the IFS front end it’s just smoother more stable and less issues.
I doubt you’ll read this but from 2014-2018 I hauled a cyclone 4012 and an elkhorn 37mbhs both weighing close to 15k with a 2008 extended cab long bed 2500 duramax. Went from Houston to Redlands, CA with the cyclone with 80 pounds in lifter bags. I didn’t encounter many problems, overweight as hell, yes. Would I do it again? Yes. Is it the right thing to do? Absolutely not.
Towed the elkhorn all over California and was happy. Truck did hood towing over the grapevine.
Point is, you have much more road time across the United States than I do. A dually would definitely benefit both of us in our own situations, especially if you’re planning on towing more.
As far as what truck, all of them scare me. The fuel systems and the emissions systems all scare me for the longevity of the truck.
Good luck with your purchases, please keep these videos coming.
It's the rear coil springs! When Expeditions went to coils in the rear my friend bought one and complained that towing was "hell" as the rear end pogoed back and forth and a bit side to side as well. Word on the street you can get a great deal on a 2500 RAM now and dealers have limited inventory of 3500s for this same reason. If you don't need to tow the coils are great for the ride.
4 years this month I have had mine, still enjoy it every morning. Keep up the wonderful work! 🍁
We took a trip from west coast to east coast in2015. 36 foot Everest, 4 slides, with a 2005 RAM 3500 dual. Absolute no problems with wind or towing, very stable. Some chucking in the hitch, changed to a Hensley TS3 hitch, WOW what a difference that made. Definitely definitely worth the money.
If you just added a set of rear air bags to assist the coil spring suspension when carrying weight most of your handling issues would likely be eliminated.
100% agree hand to do that to mine !
Still over payload numbers. Always best to buy enough truck by the numbers. Can always add bags to the bigger truck but you want to be legal from the start.
I have a 22 HO Ram Dually Limited. No regrets. It is a beast. Added a Curt 30k hitch. No compromise and no comparison. Stick with the Ram. My 5th is 14k and change and the truck just shrugs it off.
I think I heard you saw that as long as the other numbers checked out, you were ok pulling over your payload capacity. My own experience is that I put a deposit down on a 5th wheel a couple of years ago before I knew much about these things. The salesman said my 1/2 ton GMC would “pull it just fine”. I came across a computer program to calculate the actual limitations and found that I would be 450 pounds over payload when I added the weight of the hitch, people, cargo, etc. I also discovered that if I were in an accident while over the limit, my insurance wouldn’t cover me and my truck warranty might be voided. I got my deposit back. I personally wouldn’t pull any trailer without a 20% excess capacity buffer. A one ton is the answer. Purpose built.
Loved ur RAM Solitude video. We just purchased a 2023 Solitude 310gk and are pulling w 2016 RAM 2500 Mega cab shortbed. Added 5000lb airbags and decided on Anderson gooseneck hitch (with upgraded pressure plate as recommended). Luv it all and am most impressed w the truck. Pulls great and air bags seem to help a ton. MORryde hitch std on the RV fabulous upgrade to greatly buffer tugging. Also upgraded truck to 50gal tank to reduce stress of always looking for gas. Only been out a few trips but ALL great. Big hills do slow me down to 50-55mph. And a too tight turn on last trip while in a pressured rush to back in blew out my back window. $1k lesson learned as u said. I too will probably by new 3500 long bed diesel next time but for now could not be happier. Luv the truck and LUV the new Solitude, big upgrade from our 20yr old 27’ Fleetwood Wilderness travel trailer we also loved. Stay well, travel safe …
I have 2 truck recommendations for you. #1 would be the Ford F450 - Reason is if you're open to going with a Dually for more stability, i think your trailer is a great option for the F450 and long travels. it will give you the luxury of turning radiace in city driving for a Dually. #2 would be the new 2024 GMC Sierra 3500 SRW. I believe that truck has one of the best comforts of driving in long distances if staying away from DRW. I think the new interior is attractive. I've always been a ford guy in terms of diesel but it seems that Duramax with the allison transmission is much more reliable in cold weather based on friends experiences and opinions. Good luck and look forward to seeing what you select.
I just purchased a RAM 3500, I had a short wheel bad 2500 RAM and had the same problems. We just traveled 3500 miles with the new RAM 3500 with single tires on the rear, I ordered a 50 gallon fuel tank also. Best decision, the 2500 did well BUT! It was unsafe to travel with my family. Thanks for sharing your experience.
@timothyculliver1993 I currently tow with the 2500 and considering the 3500 as we want to upgrade from bumper pull to travel trailer. May I ask what kind of auxiliary tank you purchased? Short bed truck? TIA👍.
I ordered the 50 gallon tank when I ordered the RAM 3500. At that time you can get the 50 gallon tank.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I'd love for more actual life experience content like this. People who use their equipment and maybe more content on the best fit for the application. I'm looking at starting to haul a lot with a gooseneck trailer soon 20+ foot long with heavier loads (around 10,000 lbs) than what I have hauled in the past. My previous experience is mostly towing with a traditional receiver hitch with a 16' utility trailer for mowers, firewood etc. I'll look for your newer video to see what you ended up with.
I ran a conventional hitch 30' enclosed car hauler with a 14k gvw with my 2011 Ram 2500 diesel. Payload was always the issue and in the US you can get ticketed for being over payload. I swapped to 3500 leaf springs to avoid being nose high, but always made sure that I was under payload. After 12 years I finally got tired of the payload issues. Sold the Ram for $12k less than I paid for it (including taxes and fees was $42k new, sold for $30k). Ordered an F450, which I still don't have 18 months later.
Hello from Vaughan, Ontario
Had a similar issue with an even bigger GD 5th wheel. We had a F250 Diesel and purchased a GD 3950BH-R. I knew at the time the 250 would tow it but it would not be safe or legal. Ordered a 2022 F350 Dually with Diesel and have been a happy camper since. Driving is a one hand operation and peaceful. We have done an East Coast trip last summer with zero issues.
TK I know it's a few weeks since you posted but if you would like I'm pretty sure we are not that far away from eachother and if you want to try it with your GD offer is open.
I have a F350 6.7 and I tow a 35 foot 12K fifth wheel. What really helped me was using a Reese Gen 3 goose neck. It has the 2 shocks and the airbag . Not sure if this will help you. Also I run 80 psi in my rear tires. That stiffens up the side walls
If you look at a newer GM, you’ll find that the hitch point to cab is about the same as a Ram 8 foot bed. Thereby eliminating the need for a sliding hitch that takes up half your bed. That new bed is actually 6 foot 10 inches.
You are completely right about the payload rating and weights.
For your issue with the buffeting, it's probably because the trailer is too balanced on its axles and you put the extra weight in its rear. Look at where the axles are placed and where you said you placed the cargo you put in it. Before you go look at new one ton trucks and get sticker shock how much more they are (as well as the much higher interest if getting a loan) compared to your 2019, put some airbags in the truck and don't put all of your cargo in the rear of the trailer.
A set of airbags and a sliding hitch is a whole lot cheaper than a new 1 ton
Awesome live show Howard... Looking forward to seeing the New Rig Enjoy the evening guys!! Thanks again.
I'm running a 2012 Ram 3500 Long box with the Cummins and love it. With a 30 ft long fully loaded (full water tank too) travel trailer I'm getting about 16 L/100 kms. if I upgrade to a 5th wheel, I plan to put on a Reese Goose box on the trailer and use the gooseneck ball (it's a B&W turnover hitch) . I bought this truck used for about 1/5 of the price of a new unit as we're doing things on a budget. Best of luck finding your new truck.
This last March I just purchased a GMC Denali 3500 HD SRW. I alive the truck and it tows my 16,252# 5th wheel without a problem.
I’m in the same boat with my RAM 2500 and a Reflection 5th wheel. It’s a lighter trailer (12k gross) but still puts me over payload. Like you, I am under the tire and axle capacity but I’d like the piece of mind having a 1 ton. Unfortunately between truck prices and interest rates I really can’t justify it for the weekend warrior style of towing we do. That said, if I was buying today I would be looking pretty hard at the ‘24 GM trucks. Since I’m not in a rush, I’m still holding out hope that RAM makes a transmission change in the coming years. I’ve been really happy with my truck.
I have a 2019 2500 Cummins also. I tow my 36ft raptor fifth wheel with it. I bought bags to help with the sag and it’s perfectly fine. I’ll move my in laws 43ft solitude 3k pin weight on my set up also. Zero issues. Recommendation, get a B&W companion (not a slider) it’s what I run. Can nearly break 90* and I have zero jolt or fluctuation when traveling.
Appreciate the transparency
Hi...i think the positioning of your 5th wheel and a trailer that size would need to be on or just slightly ahead of the axle..[ so that being said the long box will help ]...putting more weight behind you trailer axles will surely cause handling issues.
Ram 2500 springs (coils or full air) are located inboard the frame and contribute to that instability. Add air bags and your 2500 will tow (stabilize) much better. Still prefer a 3500 long bed for a heavy GVWR and widebody drop frame 5th wheel. I run a 2020 3500 HO SRW that tows everything like a dream. Been there on the 2500 many years ago and learned that lesson the hard way.
The Ford SD would have given you the extra 5” needed if you went with that original aka the short bed. And you could have had the Tremor too. Plus payload would not have been an issue. But if you’re going all out, then non Tremor FX4 with the long bed would do the trick. If you don’t want to go into the F-450 Dually.
Maybe give the new 24 6.6 Duramax a try. I just bought a 23 and like it so far
The GCVWR also includes maintaining a certain speed on a grade, braking performance, and cooing engine and transmission in extreme heat. In the 150 series pickups my experience as you get closer to GCVWR also has been less than desirable handling overall. The stiffer the suspension and the heavier the truck platform , the more secure it will feel.
One thing to keep in mind when loading up a trailer, if you load too much gear behind the RV axel to relieve the rear truck axel of some weight, it will impact how the truck performs under hard acceleration and hard deceleration. The reason is that under hard acceleration the weight behind the RV axel effectively pushes the back of the RV down, causing the RV to act like a lever and lift on the back of the truck. Not ideal! Conversely, when braking hard from highway speed, if you've moved gear back to lower your hitch weight, just to "lower your payload", the truck will suddenly find itself exceeding the payload, which can create a dangerous situation with the trucks steering. The front wheels may lose some grip; and if you're lucky, you'll stop before going off the road. If you're going round a bend, you could end up taking your RV + Truck off-road at highway speed.
I went from Virginia to Maine and down to Florida last year with my F350 dually, 8' bed, 6.7L pulling a 40' Grand design fifth wheel. I'm leaving in a week on a coast to coast trip. This is what i have done to improve this up coming trip. S&B 68 gallon fuel tank. I was also getting 10mpg. Getting in and out of gas stations is where accidents can happen. The larger tank will allow me to fill up after i drop the camper off at the RV park. Reese 3rd generation gooseneck. The chucking wasn't bad with the factory fifth wheel but this will definitely smooth out the ride on those rough roads and free up my bed space. Trailer tire monitoring and Viair 12V tankless air compressor. The compressor is great for filling tires on the spot and the kids floats.
I’d love to get a F450.
The turning radius is better and the towing weight is about on par with the 350.
We have a Grand Design toy hauler, it's triple axel so it's a big one. We tow with a 3500 dually with a long bed, pretty sure you will be very happy with a dually. It's amazing how much better they tow than a 3/4 ton.
I have a similar set up, ram 2500 and jayco 29.5 bus 5th wheel; the way that we solve the turn radius issue is with a turn point 5th wheel hitch. We can make a 90° turn no problem and because it is a normal hitch we have no side to side movement. We are in Alberta and travel through the mountain and prairie so lots of different condition and never had a problem.
I have a DRV Fifth wheel with very similar specs to yours... I am pulling it with a 3500 Dodge 6 1/2 foot bed and a pull right sliding hitch.... I couldn't be happier ... Because it's my daily driver and I live in a urban area in Ontario and 8 foot box is impractical.. Even with the shorter wheelbase, I have the air ride suspension and an air ride pin box and I hardly noticed the trailer back there at all other than of course the weight... I think you'll be very happy with whatever configuration of 3500 you buy I agree with you coil Springs or not made for towing...
I made the same mistake as you. My Montana pin weight is 2300, the payload of my 2019 Ram 2500 was 2300. Firestone airbags got the truck level and it towed ok but I was illegal. Probably by 1500 lbs. And this scenario hasn't been brought up but think about this. You get involved in a wreck, your fault, their fault, no one's fault, a good attorney may force you to account for all the extra weight your carrying and once it's been determined that you were over your truck's payload, you may be on your own. After one year of ownership, I switched to a Ram dually, same engine and transmission. My mpg didn't change a measurable amount. If you upgrade, look for one with the 50 gallon fuel tank. Yes the dually isn't much fun as a daily driver but everything in life is a compromise.....good luck and thanks for the video!
Just bought a 5ver toy hauler that weighs 12,000# dry 16,500# GVWR. I have a HD F-250 which is rated for 13,000 5th wheel towing. With all things considered pros/cons, I believe I would be on the edge with a F350 SRW. Although inconvenient as a daily driver, we will be getting a F350 or F450 dually for stability and several reasons not driving near the edge of comfort. Thank You for yet another video I've watched to help me confirm what I believe to be the right choice for me.
About the side winds. Depending on how much wind you’re talking about, tractor trailers get that to and your trailer is almost as tall and you’re using a smaller truck to pull it. As far as the cross winds go I dont think using a 2500 matters. I think the problem could have been how much the suspension moves and bounces. I was planning on getting a single wheel 3500.
Howard, had a good time watching this. I've got a 21 Tundra and tow a Jayco 242bhs. Just got back from an Ontario to Tennessee trip and dealt with the same issues. I've now got my eye out for a 2500 that I can drive around and also travel with.
I just sold my '18 tundra and got a ram 2500 w/6.7. I tow an enclosed sand car trailer around 8k. Couldn't be happier. Tundra was white knuckle everywhere I towed. 2500 doesn't even feel it. And Howard is right about the ram exhaust brake, they nailed it. It works really well in both the full brake setting and the auto setting.
We have a 2020 solitude 310GK and we are pulling with a 2021 Ram 3500 DRW, 8' box, factory air bags. Love it! worries about weight or towing capacity. We switched from a 2500 Chevy for the same reason as you. the other consideration is insurance coverage if you are over posted weight rating, as well as possibility of being ticketed for being overweight and possibly holding the trailer until you got a heavier truck.
You can argue/debate all day long but every truck/camper/hitch combo will act differently. I’ve towed tens of thousands of miles with multiple combos and it’s never the same. Right now I’m well over my Ram 2500 limit and everything is perfect 😂😂😂
I have a 2021 Ram 1500 Warlock that I tow my Grand Design Transcend 261BHSE with. The moment I had left the dealership I had begun to have that side to side motion. I had bought the ProPride 3P hitch for the sway and weight Distrobution control. I had changed out my tires to the Michelin Agilis Cross Climates, Load range E, from the the stock Yokohama Geolander tires. Immediately felt a huge difference to the towing. I live in norther Nevada and have traveled all over the west coast towing that travel trailer. I can say, the hitch and the tires bad a huge difference. I would definitely check it out.
I think it'd actually IMPROVE the ride if you had more tongue weight, and removing weight from the front of the trailer might have actually reduced the stability. The symptoms you mention sound very much like trailer sway due to not enough tongue weight.
What I'm getting at is that these problems would not necessarily disappear on a 3500, either, unless you increase the tongue weight. The coils are not a bad thing for towing at all (besides capacity issues) in my opinion: )
I'm not an expert but I think you are on to something. Top Gear did an episode on why Europeans seem to tow the same travel trailers with midsized cars that Americans tow with big trucks. The answer was tongue weight and speed. They put a lot less weight on the tongue, which allows them to pull a heavier trailer, but they absolutely must do so at a lower max speed of around 60mph to avoid the sway that TK seems to have encountered. Thus the meme of rolling road block caravans in Europe.
Here in 'Murica we want to tow big trailers at autobahn speeds, and the way we do it is by putting more weight on the tongue to increase stability at higher speeds. But that means we need big trucks with high GVWRs as our tow vehicles. So yes I agree that TK needs a lighter trailer, bigger truck, or both.
Nailed it.
I have run Silverado HDs for 14 years towing travel trailers and fifth wheels (Current is a Montana High Country 330RL) and have never had an issue. My current 2021 has the 10 speed and the 445HP engine and with the engine brake, it’s amazing in the mountains. We live in Edmonton but pull into BC and also down into Montana and Idaho. I updated my trailer tires to 14 ply and also run a TPMS system on them. I also upgraded to the MorRyde wet bolt system and upgraded shackles on my trailer suspension for peace of mind. If you are considering a Chev/GMC, the standard bed is 6ft 10 and with a fixed Curt Q25 on the puck system, I have no clearance issues with a tight turn. I actually dropped my slider system last summer as I never used it and it saved me 120lbs of weight!
Love the information. I have a 2022 Limited Longhorn 2500. I looked at fifth wheels but landed on a Momentum 25G bumper-pull toy hauler. Hitch weight, overall size, it really works perfect. And I have the bed of my pickup and all our stuff in the back of the hauler.
I've been towing my 30' Artic Fox 5th wheel for over 10 years with a 2005 Dodge 2500 short bed Cummins. The trailer is 9,000 lbs dry. My wife and I full-timed in it for 1.5 years and just got back from a 2,600 mile trip where we were pulling multiple mountain passes at 7,000+ feet in Utah and Nevada. I love the short bed Dodge for it's ability to maneuver in tight places. My slider hitch keeps the tongue weight over my rear axle for towing stability and in a pinch (seldom needed) will give me all the clearance I need. If I purchased a new truck for this trailer I'd go with a short bed again. That said, I prefer back road towing at 60-65 mph speed. If I were to go with a bigger trailer I'd definitely go 8' bed for the longer wheel base and consider a 3500. I too am interested in how the new gas engines compare with new diesels.
I have driven chevys as off 2004 after driving ford trucks before and got sick of them breaking. I’ve had a ram 3500 dually for a year now. That would most likely be my choice if I had to buy a new truck. And yes all my trucks have had the 8’ bed but the fords the where 7’8” or so if I remember couldn’t buy an 8’ ladder in them laying down. I do love the duramax , but really enjoy my new ram 3500. My camper is 16000 when loaded and have no issues pulling it at all .
My 3500 single wheel tows my camper, similar to yours very very nicely, no buffeting or weirdness while driving.
I’ve driven a lot of different HDs. The Ram is, by far, the best hauler of large 5th wheels.
I recommend a Ram 3500 dually, 8’ box, with rear auto-leveling rear suspension. Simply amazing for this task. You won’t be disappointed.
Nice job on your mpg. My truck gets 10 MPG on a good day when its empty and not towing. 5L 460
I’d really love a ram. Mainly because their interior is so comfortable. I drive a lot. Typically don’t tow anything more than a 10k travel trailer and a 3k work trailer. There is the occasion I’ll be towning something heavy like a skidsteer, dump trailer full of rocks, etc. my 17 duramax has been a dream. Nearly to 200k miles not a single problem. Defiantly helps having a lot of highway miles, keeps the emissions system clean. I’ve learned diesels do best when you work them.
Yea, you were certainly pushing the weight. We have a '16 2500 MegaCab with the 6.4l and 35' Cougar (316RLS) that weighed in at 12.5k on the scales loaded up for a 10 day trip (gene, ice chest, some wood, etc.). We exceeded payload (not quite 3k pounds for our config) by 600# but were well under the rear axle rating (front was almost identical to unloaded). I run airbags and it takes 40psi to level the truck back out (we have a Thuren level kit up front) and I have a 16k Goosebox installed on the trailer. This setup tows great (I wouldn't trade the Goosebox for anything now) but I'm also stepping up to a 3500 ('24 GMC) in the event I go with a heavier trailer in the future. I'm guessing you're probably about 1k heavier on the pin weight and that (possibly coupled with the hitch setup you run) have made a significant difference in how it pulls (I don't get pushed around by other vehicles or reasonable winds). I actually love the factory 5 link under the rear of the 2500s and wish they'd use it on the 3500s as well.
I have a '15 MegaCab Cummins and have not purchased a trailer yet. Should I skip 5th wheels entirely and stick with a travel trailer? I like this truck way too much to swap it out for something different. I'm running a compound turbo setup and have more grunt than I know what to do with. Will upgrade transmission when I start towing.
@@stiffmeister0hYeah Fine if it's a 3500 but the 2500 diesel is the worst combination you can have when it comes to payload capacity in a Ram. Will it tow, absolutely. Is it safe? Highly likely since is has the same chassis, same brakes, same axle, and rear gear. The only difference is the 5 link/coil spring vs leafs between the 2500 and 3500. Only you can make that call.
And for what it's worth, the '24 GMC 3500 has been fantastic. The ride unloaded is better. Loaded they're pretty close (I think the Ram was actually a little more stable but this could be a tire issue since I've never towed on a Goodyear). Interior wise, the GMC is amazing in all regards except for the Bose premium sound which is trash compared to the Ram's Alpine branded system.
If you haven’t traded it in yet I would try helper air springs/bags first. 2500 and 3500 run the same frames, axles and brakes. The only difference is the suspension not included the drw’s. I’m sure you know by know but in case you don’t, you can buy a auto sliding 5th wheel to compensate for your short bed which will keep your rear window from being hit. Lastly, I know it seems like a good idea but unloading the pin weight by adding counterweight to the rear of the trailer is a recipe for disaster.
I have a 2017 ram rebel with the hemi; I pull a 40’ 9000 pound travel trailer, and pulls it just fine
Yeah I went with 3500 SW mega cab pulling a 40’ toy hauler truck does handle it well but in windy conditions you can feel it.
Just picked up a 2019 Ram 2500 with 8 foot box last week.. only 79000kms. (This is up near Ottawa). Amazing truck and has all the fancies especially for a Big Horn. I feel like I'm driving around in a luxury sports car with lots of power. Pulls my 7 ton drump trailer like its nothing.
I did notice a crazy sway when I was hauling a bumper pull 36ft camper up and back near Petawawa. I would NEVER want to do that again. White knuckle the whole way and couldn't go over 80kms/hr without the truck wanting to veer randomly into oncoming traffic.
I had a midsize toyhauler 5th wheel and 3500 SRW. Within ratings and I felt it drove fine. I started shopping for a big 5th wheel, so I upgraded to a dually first. Towing the same midsize 5th wheel with the dually, I’d arrive at the riding area (narrow winding patchy mountain road) ready to go ride. With the SRW I’d arrive needing to rest. The dually is just more planted, and much less fatiguing than you’d think.
Hey truck king I hope you get this I’m a truck driver since 06 had 2500 most of my life but did not like the feel and I know what I’m feeling in my but so last truck a16 ram 3500 srw night and day difference and I pull doubles I can’t do daul wheel with no automatic car wash plus two more tires to replace . Also short bed looks nice. But longbed makes huge difference so my suggestion to you go get a ram 3500 SRW Longbed and update the difference to all your subscribers.
3500 dually 4wd Duramax.... with 8 ft long bed. ... trim level is up to you. Additionally the cab size.. regular.. 4 door.. or crew cab 4 door. All of which has an effect on load capacity. Would also look at using a tire properly suited for heavy duty hauling.
We were so close to getting a 2500 to pull a 10K 30 foot fifth wheel we were going to buy. After seeing the payload of about 2100 on the truck we were about to buy, even though yes the axles were enough, we spoke to our sales guy and got a 3500 diesel with 4200 payload. Not ever looking back. Now I can have 2000 on the hitch and still have 2100 left in payload.
I highly recommend a dually for that trailer weight. You will be so much happier. My 5th wheel tops out at 14K within my trucks capacity and I ended up converting my F250 To a dually and it was night and day difference.
If i had that setup I would go for a f350 srw tremor king ranch, would go with channel name and everything
we stepped up to a 1 ton dually so we would always meet GVWR requirements - and not have to worry about what we packed in the rig. Bigger benefit has been the great stability those extra wheels provide out back - just wonderful.
We have a 2018 ram 3500 srw. Couldn't be happier. It is rated 11,700 gvwr. I am interested in the giddyup straps.
Im running a 19’ 3500 Cummins with timbrens on the rear end, truck rides so good towing my GD reflection 28bh, I’ve had other people approach me and ask what I have, because they seen how good I was doing in bad crosswinds, and windy roads where the truck trailer just feels planted
Thanks for sharing your story. I dig your Ram truck. It’s gorgeous.
My wife and I just purchased a Ram Laramie 3500 6.7 H/O DRW with the AISIN to pull a the new Toy Hauler.
I’ve never owned a truck or an Rv so your video helped me out with understanding things a little bit more.
I’ve been told that the truck we purchased is a bit overkill for the smaller sized Travel Trailer Toy Hauler we bought but we wanted room to grow. Maybe one day we will get into a larger 5th wheel toy hauler but since I’m new to this Rv towing thing i didn’t want to get in over my head.
I look forward to future videos.
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I'll never be able to afford a 5th wheel, nor will I be able to justify one, but this is great knowledge.
I busted out my rear window cranking my camper with a regular box too
1 year old kid back there got showered with glass. Nobody hurt.
Longbox for life now
Assuming you have 10 ply tires. Anything less can cause sway. Weight transfer to the rear of the towed vehicle will cause sway and instability. Definitely go bigger ! subbed.
would love to see a BIG comparo of HD duellys towing heavy... an hour long at least. if you could throw in the F450 as well as the 3500's because of the turning circle that would be an EPIC video !
I would by a ford. I own a 19 f250. I love this truck. I love the 6.7 powerstroke. I also have a new work truck that’s a 22 f350 single wheel. When towing the ten speed makes this engine even better
GM 3500 add the timbren rubbers. The new interior is wonderful and quiet and dually or single will handle it. Can't say enough about my Denali. The big three are neck and neck neck
My understanding is that the Rail-mounted CrossWing (which it looks like you have) gives 5" of offset. It's the gooseball mounted crosswing that has the 8.5" offset.