I can tell ya one truck that isnt gonna get this recall done MINE!!!! 140k on mine with absolutely ZERO problems with the emissions on it it has a tuner and is still running emissions!! i get about 2500 miles out of a full def tank so if it aint broke i am NOT gonna fix it!!!
@ALMX5DP We are all getting scammed by the EPA and government for the push for EV's and these bullshit emissions systems. But hey, they just released the largest cruise liner ever built- make it make sense.
Yay.. The EPA has saved us!! How much energy is going to be expended in regen, replacement parts and decreased efficiency. If we got the calculator our, I bet its a net negative...
Exactly my thought, just add up the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of gallons used just to transport DEF by tanker trailer or by pallets of it in plastic jug form, all that wasted fuel and energy just to create, package and transport DEF… then include the energy for SCR, DPF and EGR systems to be created, transported, and that whole circle of a process… I bet if we had none of these emissions systems, the end result would be the same .
Many of us were left with few options but to delete the whole mess. After multiple failures, inability to get parts and warranty running out on insanely expensive components, it made more sense to just remove it all. Thankfully some of us live in states with no emissions testing, so we can get away with tossing a couple hundred pounds of headache into the bin and letting our trucks breathe.
It’s a shame that you have to tear $15k worth of parts off the new trucks just to get them to run right. Then pay at least another couple grand for the kit and tune. Another reason why newer diesel trucks are so expensive…tens of millions spent on emissions r&d, manufacturing, and lobbying
As an auto technician in CA, I can tell you CARB is only concerned with procuring $$ however necessary. Having dealt with getting 'CARB EO exemption certification' for aftermarket parts, it is literally about paying them enough $$ till they say ok certified.
@@elcaminomantjust like every government agency. Permission is only granted to use our rights when we pay the kings ransom. It’s getting real 1776-ey around here….
There's a Supreme Court case in litigation right now regarding the authority and reach of US government agencies like the EPA. The conservative majority court is expected to overturn existing case law with their decision which will reel in these unelected bureaucrats. We'll see what happens.
Very good point, often overlooked, most of the ships are carrying a bunch of low quality dollar store crap that we should be manufacturing in North America anyway.
I’m not going to say I’m the most environmentally conscious person out there & definitely no tree hugger, but what exactly is the US EPA supposed to do about the hundreds or thousands of cargo ships registered in every other country EXCEPT the US? Maybe require ships within the 12 miles or so(?) around US to run on ULSD? or wind power? Maybe battery/solar?
Just off the top of my head. Tax seems to work. That is what is done to us. Maybe make it cost effective to manufacture here in the US. Its all about control and money.
It’s not about emissions. It’s about them trying to find a way to self-fund their agency. They have been u see threats from congress to cut their funding before. Just like police departments self-funding using fines from unmanned speed cameras.
What about China and India’s pollution? What about the multiple hundred’s of nuclear tests the us did back in the day in the ocean and in Nevada? Sure that’s a lot worse for the o-zone than my 6.7 restricted diesel. Crazy how the government always goes after the working man in some way, shape or form. Great video my guy
same BS here in europe- even more crazy- they ship the cars that dont pass emmissions (and other so called junk or wrecked but drive) to near east and africa - there they drive foranother 20 years- so this whole pollution thing is a joke
Is there any way to tell if my 2015 has the 2 sensor SCR short of just presenting my VIN? And I am SOOO glad that the EPA now has $1.7 billion to buy us some clean air. That's what they do with the money, right?
How about military vehicles? rules good for yea but not for thee... it's all dogshit. I have 2012 and will never buy another diesel pickup. $100K for a new truck that won't run more than 200K miles? Bullcrap on that
The whole point of SCR/DEF systems was to move NOx reduction OUTSIDE of the combustion chamber to reduce the need for EGR to lower combustion temperatures in the cylinder and to reduce particulate production during the combustion process. So, it would seem to me that the LOGICAL solution to the NOx emission issue would be to enhance the SCR/DEF capabilities of reducing NOx emissions, not regressing to dirtier, lower temperature combustion that increases particulates. In that light, having the software increase DEF usage to potentially reduce NOx outside of the engine's combustion chamber would make sense.
And that's the reason I'm not going to let them update my 2014. I've already had 3 recalls on my def system. 3 dpf filters, 3 scrs, 3 def pumps, 2 water pumps, 1 egr valve, all recalled or warenteed. I recently put a turbo actuator on it at 189,000 and still running original turbo. I'm at 206,000 miles rt now. I've cleaned the egr valve and tube only but never that filter box above the turbo, I don't want to even get into that nightmare although it's probably getting pretty clogged up by now. I have lost some power and gas mileage.
Emissions on a diesel are almost crippling. I know when I had ALL of my emissions removed on my 2016 Duramax, she breathed so freely, and accelerated so effortlessly, it felt as if I was driving with my brakes on the whole time before that.
IDK if it was the way you talked about it or if I maybe misunderstood how you said it but in regards to the ECM, the ECM is fully programed at the Cummins Midrange Engine Plant and the engine is shipped to the Ram assembly plant with the ECM affixed to the side of the engine with the engine side harness attached. This allows Cummins to test run every single engine before shipping to Ram assembly plant.
You are correct. ECM is from Cummins. The RAM/Cummins agreement says that Cummins is not allowed to connect to any RAM trucks and if caught there is huge fines. So Cummins isn’t allowing any of their mechanics the software to hook up. It’s not like Cummins doesn’t know how to connect to their own engines. They just won’t take the chance of getting caught.
With the after-treatment systems, these trucks were not made to be daily driving vehicles. I tried to make the daily driving work with my 2018 RAM, but the DFP was getting build-up only a matter of time before it failed. As Alex mentioned, you have to get them on the highway and get them hot to avoid some of these after-treatment issues.
Correct. I had my DPF removed and cleaned about 2 months ago. The mechanic told me to go on mini road trip every Sunday, run it in 4th gear to get the rpms up above 2000 When return home, let it idle for about 15 minutes so it can cool down properly
@@timothymoses216 That's exactly what I was told to do by the dealership with my 2018 - drive it on the highway for about 20 mins each week and make sure the DPF cycle finishes. Eventually, I had the exhaust upgraded and that solved the issue.
@@timothymoses216 The in-dash screen would be nice on the 4th gen trucks. I used my EDGE CTS3 monitor to see the regen process. Before that I had the simple OBD2 dongle plugged in my truck with a mobile phone app to see what the truck was doing on the regen (DPF temps go up and fuel mileage goes down).
So the 2023 I bought has a dpf gauge and it'll regen at 25%. I use it only to tow my camper or tractor ajd it never gets to 25% anymore. I bought a beater to DD. I've has the 23 for 6 months and towed 5k miles. You guys are correct, this truck isn't really made to be a bro truck. If it's used for how it was designed, the emissions components aren't problematic. It's all refined and modeled after our class 8 counterparts
Everybody “wins”.-except us Ram owners. Why the hell do we come out on bottom? We spent $60K+ on these rigs in good faith and now we take it in the shorts with more costs and hassle and probably less performance while EPA and CA get a windfall? That’s BS. I’m all for clean air (and goal of clean air is a good thing), but the implementation here is jacked.
Ram/Cummins could fix this with a software update. The VWs couldn't be fixed because they didn't have DEF that could be turned up - hence the buy back.
Well its interesting that CA has a massive budget debt issue. It sure seems fishy to me and they are not declaring how much of that nearly 2 billion CA will get. I have a 2500 2018 RAM and I am holding the recall notice in my hand unfortunately.
We must all get political. Unelected bureaucrats have gone well beyond their mandate and are doing what they are doing just to be punitive. We cannot continue to stand on the sidelines and watch our way of life being destroyed
@@jefflamb2900 I would love to but because I just purchased it in September and had requirements. Had to be under 100k. It also had to have extended warranty. Also able to be serviced by Ram Dealer. After its up I'm free to do what I need.
Far as I know, railway locomotives are pretty much the most fuel efficient way to move cargo period. It's probably only 27 locomotives because of the cost to perform the retro fit and the length of time the NOx reduction will take place in is probably many years and way more miles than an average Ram 2500/3500 truck driver
I have a 2006 Laramie 4x4 quad cab Cummins with 63k miles and in practically mint condition Thankfully none of this applies to me. With all this going on, my truck is likely worth more now than what I paid for it in ‘06.
2019 trucks were already recalled back in 2020 when Ram released the VB6 emissions recall. 67A is 2013-2018 trucks. The recall flash is nothing more than a NOx sensor strategy change. 2020 and newer trucks already have the updated flashes and necessary updates.
I'm missing something here, why couldn't someone come up with a soot scrubber for the ERG, something with a filter ? Crazy that we would purposefully send dirty soot back into the engine instead of capturing it !
Always wondered why they chose to pull the exhaust gasses directly off at the manifold instead of post dpf. I’m guessing it’s for packaging & assembly purposes, but I’m no automotive engineer.
@@jeffs2809I believe the mini duramax in the small GM trucks egr’s pull after the scr. It is precisely cause of packaging. Those have the scr attached to the manifolds. Good design.
I bought a 2023 ram Laramie Cummins a year ago, tranny went out completely at 7k miles. Dealership fixed it no cost. It went out again at 12k miles it stayed in the shop for 60 days after that. Got it back and no problems tell last month. This time it was puking transmission fluid out of the dip stick tube. I'm really thinking about parking it in my uncle's 200 acre farm. Buy 1000 pounds of tanerite and blowing the truck up and go buy a old Chevy truck
I'm glad I still own my 07.5 2500 4x4 that I bought brand new in late 07. The cost of parts for these vehicles are insane, if I had to replace everything it would probably cost $15,000+ if you could find the parts. I really can't understand why one state sets the rules for an entire country on this matter, California is a joke. Can't wait to see all the lithium batteries from their electric vehicles pile up and then see what they do. My stuff got "stolen" and I can't find the other's that "fell off" while driving. Good video and straight foward information.
If you have renewable diesel in your area it cuts down on DEF usage a lot. I'm assuming it burns much cleaner as advertised so less def is needed. Seems to keep my 1st gen smoke down too....best of both worlds
I have a 2018 ram 2500 with the Cummins. I don’t plan to get this recall done. I haven’t had any issues with this truck. I added a banks intake horn and this helped with power and mpg.
Usually they will refuse to allow you to register your vehicle if its a federally required recall (EPA) until you have the recall taken care of. Thats what happened to me.
If I understand this correctly it's the software calibration. This is a tuning issue, yes? So, why does everybody keep saying defeat "device"? A device is physical. Just goes to show these EPA witch hunters don't even understand the difference between a DEVICE and software.
I'll go ahead and keep my defeat device. I feel that going through more DEF would cause more waste in plastic jugs. So I'm saving the environment by not getting the update.
I notice you're from New Brunswick. Do you know if Canada is going to make the recall mandatory? Ive heard rumors that certain U.S. areas will need to see proof before you can renew your registration.
I think it’s something I have a 2017 ram 3500 Laramie dually and it has 15 k on it and it has never went into regeneration it has never came up on my dashboard saying regeneration keep driving and she runs fantastic I’m going to mind business
False. You had plenty of passive and active regens in 15k miles. You’re driving your truck in a fashion that’s letting it finish regen cycles. That’s why you don’t get a warning on your dash. It should be seemless when you have a active regen.
@@TheGettyAdventures I forgot to put it in my comment I’ve also never added def it funny because I had a 2016 ram 1500 eco diesel and I had to add it a few times but my 3500 hasn’t got any and I’ve owned it since brand new
My 2017 automatically goes into regen (according to my edge insight) about every 24 engine hours. Doesn’t matter how I drive or how much I’ve been towing. The only times I’ve had it vary were when I had an issue with a wire on a sensor and when I maxed out an edge juice (it would regen about every 20 minutes then😉😮)
Sounds like to me we need a cleaner burning fuel for our heavy duty trucks. Trouble is, it probably would be too expensive to run. I am just so sick of the complexity and failures of todays vehicles. And who ends up getting all of the money from these lawsuits? Yeah, the government. Go figure.
The warranty suck and all these diesel trucks can and will leave you in the middle of the night at the farthest point from a dealer as possible. Hope Trump passes a law making it illegal to build junk equipment. National emergency..
I was referring to a diesel fired engine heater. In the cold, plug it in (Block, pan, and battery) when you can. When out and about, fire up the Espar or Webasto to keep the engine warm and no /or little warm-up time required.
I think it’s kind of weird and kind of odd that Volkswagen had to pay $25 billion to the American government but yeah Cummins only had to pay $2 billion. Someone purchased the government.
They are called a Cuapart I drove big trucks for 45 years I always had CAT,,then they bought me a Cummins junk,,I hated it so bad,,I retired,,There is no torque like the Cat had,,Not even close..
Also, my 23 seems to go into regen every thousand miles. And that's 90% driving 55-90 mph commuting. Idk how accurate the dpf guage is but it'll be reading zero or barely a quarter and still go into regen. So. Effing. Dumb.
Have a 2018 peterbilt with 527,000 miles. I use pittsburgh power fuel catalyst faithfully. Keeps combustion very clean with limited sensor failure. Cleaned dpf at 350,000, well past recommended time.
EPA is at the point OF BEING ridiculous !!! LIKE OUR politicians, EPA is out of control!! The garbage they put on these engines reduces the MPG big time to begin with, not to mention all the problems and expense that come with this emission equipment!!
HAHAHAHAHA if it was mine I would ignore the recall if its running fine , you know what will happen the recall will screw your engine over and / or have to be recalled again
The future of the diesel engine is doomed by this ridiculous government, I’ll just stick with my smelly 1987 Mercedes diesel that leaves a cloud of smoke behind it wherever it goes lol
its emissions...who gives a sh*t. Sad these new trucks cant get the same economy as my 02....... Your right about making sure the exhaust is hot and no idling! Diesels are meant to work not just cruise around. My 2016 pete with 1.4 million km on it has never given me SCR problems because it never idlesfor very long.
My 14 hasn’t been to the dealership in 5 years. It’s definitely not going back now. My truck has special “tuning” that will get wrecked if they touch it.
Just about nobody is going to respond to an emissions recall. Victims of states like Cali maybe. Otherwise, screw 'em. All manufactures should defeat government meddling.
Yep, different rules for different people. The "government" can buy those trucks without any of those emission systems on them. The greatest polluters is the government themself , like the military. Back when ultra low sulfur diesel came in, the company I worked for had to get rid of around 250,000 gallons of low sulfur diesel and get the ultra low sulfur diesel. Guess where they sold the low sulfur diesel to? The Railroad.
I've owned 4 Ram's with the Cummins in them and not a one was painted RED!! I guess the RED ones are hard to come by, I looked at a 2024 and it's not Red either so where are them RED ones sold?? Inquiring Minds won't to Know!!
So the EPA is mandating lower fuel economy, more soot, and more DEF use which typically comes in big plastic containers. All to decrease NOX emissions. Yeah, the EPA is decreasing reliability of diesels….. yet again…….
EGR makes no sense on any engine, gas or diesel. My thinking is to ONLY work on the exhaust after it leaves the engine. To run any amount of exhaust back into the engine is stupid. Electronics have already cleaned up the burning of the fuel in gas and diesel, which is way forward thinking tech, so simply leave it at treating what LITTLE emissions are heading for a muffler and call it a day.
The EPA is a bureaucratic agency. Are their edicts codified in law? Last I checked, only the legislature can make law. All law passed by congress must be codified in the Federal Register in order for it to be enforced as law. Has anyone ever determined that these emisions regulations are actually enforceable laws?
This dude is definitely a fan boy “Some of them will need to be recalled” All 2016-2018 trucks will be recalled and all trucks built before October 1st of 2019 will need to be recalled that’s a lot of trucks dude stop trying to make the problem seem smaller than what it is but hey dodge guys are use to sitting at dealerships for recalls I heard their popcorn and coffee is good.
Cummins has admitted no wrong doing and that the EPA has targeted them. This statement is coming from the CEO. The EPA isn't done yet. They are just trying to get diesels off the road. The calibration that is put into the ram product is built by cummins and tested but is only used in the ram product. Chrsyler, Diamler, Fiat owns and purcheses the rights to that engine since 2003. That engine only goes in the ram product. ram has very little to do with that engine.
Older Locomotives are horrible polluters. But they go by the year it was made. So they rebuild the engines instead of buying new locomotives that are very clean by comparison.
So Ram tried to make the EPA and other tyrants happy while being tested, and tried to make the customer happy when not being tested. At what point can owners and manufacturers sue the govt. for forcing engines to have less MPG, power, and reliability?
shouldn't have to run anything on the vehicles, the E9@ isn't paying the repair bills on are vehicles then they should have no say. they work for us not the other way around just saying.
You have every right to be frustrated with the politics here, because this is exactly the kind of mess that tyrannical pseudo-science backed legislation causes.
The biggest question is, how will they enforce the recall? I don't see any of these owners just dropping a day of work to have this recall done when it won't benefit them or their vehicle.
Oh man I'd be pissed owning one of these cummins, especially for the future possible emission system service that may be required down the road with decreased fuel economy for a companies ignorance and or arrogance
I don't claim to know all the facts these are simply my opinions based upon readily available sources.
I can tell ya one truck that isnt gonna get this recall done MINE!!!! 140k on mine with absolutely ZERO problems with the emissions on it it has a tuner and is still running emissions!! i get about 2500 miles out of a full def tank so if it aint broke i am NOT gonna fix it!!!
Mine either 304k all stock!
Cummins got scammed by the EPA. That should be a crime in itself.
How so? Did Ford or GM get scammed as well?
The EPA is a scam in its self. They aren't saving anything but pocketing money.
I mean Cummins did legit have defeat devices in their trucks. as for the failure to disclose for the 2019+ trucks - That's crap.
@ALMX5DP We are all getting scammed by the EPA and government for the push for EV's and these bullshit emissions systems. But hey, they just released the largest cruise liner ever built- make it make sense.
Yes! Any company being forced to put this junk on are being scammed
Yay.. The EPA has saved us!! How much energy is going to be expended in regen, replacement parts and decreased efficiency. If we got the calculator our, I bet its a net negative...
Exactly my thought, just add up the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of gallons used just to transport DEF by tanker trailer or by pallets of it in plastic jug form, all that wasted fuel and energy just to create, package and transport DEF… then include the energy for SCR, DPF and EGR systems to be created, transported, and that whole circle of a process… I bet if we had none of these emissions systems, the end result would be the same .
@@MXvsATV144Clown.
Many of us were left with few options but to delete the whole mess. After multiple failures, inability to get parts and warranty running out on insanely expensive components, it made more sense to just remove it all. Thankfully some of us live in states with no emissions testing, so we can get away with tossing a couple hundred pounds of headache into the bin and letting our trucks breathe.
It’s a shame that you have to tear $15k worth of parts off the new trucks just to get them to run right. Then pay at least another couple grand for the kit and tune. Another reason why newer diesel trucks are so expensive…tens of millions spent on emissions r&d, manufacturing, and lobbying
Thank Obama
It seems pretty shady why California is getting so much of that mitigation money
I don't know why, could be because of the research they do. not really sure.
@@TheGettyAdventuresfeel like as the whistle blowers that’s their cut of the settlement.
As an auto technician in CA, I can tell you CARB is only concerned with procuring $$ however necessary. Having dealt with getting 'CARB EO exemption certification' for aftermarket parts, it is literally about paying them enough $$ till they say ok certified.
@@elcaminomantjust like every government agency. Permission is only granted to use our rights when we pay the kings ransom. It’s getting real 1776-ey around here….
California and EPA can go to hell!
There's a Supreme Court case in litigation right now regarding the authority and reach of US government agencies like the EPA. The conservative majority court is expected to overturn existing case law with their decision which will reel in these unelected bureaucrats. We'll see what happens.
The SCOTUS ruled favorably on that case, favorably for We The People! 🇺🇸
And 1 large cargo ship equals 50 Million cars. Think we are worried about the wrong-thing here.
nothing burns like bunker oil.
Very good point, often overlooked, most of the ships are carrying a bunch of low quality dollar store crap that we should be manufacturing in North America anyway.
The factories emit too much pollution, so how would we make it here?
@@robmd3851
I’m not going to say I’m the most environmentally conscious person out there & definitely no tree hugger, but what exactly is the US EPA supposed to do about the hundreds or thousands of cargo ships registered in every other country EXCEPT the US? Maybe require ships within the 12 miles or so(?) around US to run on ULSD? or wind power? Maybe battery/solar?
Just off the top of my head. Tax seems to work. That is what is done to us. Maybe make it cost effective to manufacture here in the US. Its all about control and money.
Protect your truck: don’t get the recall done
It’s not about emissions. It’s about them trying to find a way to self-fund their agency. They have been u see threats from congress to cut their funding before. Just like police departments self-funding using fines from unmanned speed cameras.
Wtf
The next agency that will do this is the IRS. They are under the same threat.
What about China and India’s pollution? What about the multiple hundred’s of nuclear tests the us did back in the day in the ocean and in Nevada? Sure that’s a lot worse for the o-zone than my 6.7 restricted diesel. Crazy how the government always goes after the working man in some way, shape or form. Great video my guy
The cargo ships have no population control. Our government is trying to control and punish the working class
same BS here in europe- even more crazy- they ship the cars that dont pass emmissions (and other so called junk or wrecked but drive) to near east and africa - there they drive foranother 20 years- so this whole pollution thing is a joke
Unbelievable. The EPA needs to be audited themselves.
Yep, my 2022 uses more DEF than my 2018. Mileage is the same, regens, etc no different between the two. More DEF usage means less EGR.
Delete them and they'll use no def.
@@duckwacker8720 Not an option.
@@Mill72 it's a requirement.
@@duckwacker8720 Okay
@@Mill72 it is lol
Time to defund the epa and irs.
Best solution to this problem is simply don't take your truck in for the recall software.
Typical Government: "We'll fix it until it doesn't work worth a crap anymore"... You're Welcome!
I’m glad I keep my 5.9 mega cab going non of that bs emission garbage
I’m still kicking myself for selling our 2007 3500 megacab 5.9!!! We just couldn’t afford to fix it.
Best why to keep soot out is to delete and tell the epa to shove it. The reason the rules are different because its a scam from the get go.
I mean you aren't wrong lol
Is there any way to tell if my 2015 has the 2 sensor SCR short of just presenting my VIN?
And I am SOOO glad that the EPA now has $1.7 billion to buy us some clean air. That's what they do with the money, right?
Yup, they imported one container of sailboat fuel directly from China where everyone knows the clean air is .
How about military vehicles? rules good for yea but not for thee... it's all dogshit. I have 2012 and will never buy another diesel pickup. $100K for a new truck that won't run more than 200K miles? Bullcrap on that
The EPA wouldn’t enforce these systems, if they we’re responsible for cleaning them.
Why isn’t cummins looking using hydrogen with turbo diesel. I hear it’s suppose help engine burn cleaner.
More great info from Alex. Thanks for what you do. That truck sure sits up high, side mirror almost over your head. Have a great week.
Haha thank you sir! but I'm only 5'8 so I probably make the truck look tall lol
@@TheGettyAdventures I'm 6'3" . I know I'm tall.
@@avioncamper Clap hands.
The whole point of SCR/DEF systems was to move NOx reduction OUTSIDE of the combustion chamber to reduce the need for EGR to lower combustion temperatures in the cylinder and to reduce particulate production during the combustion process. So, it would seem to me that the LOGICAL solution to the NOx emission issue would be to enhance the SCR/DEF capabilities of reducing NOx emissions, not regressing to dirtier, lower temperature combustion that increases particulates. In that light, having the software increase DEF usage to potentially reduce NOx outside of the engine's combustion chamber would make sense.
And that's the reason I'm not going to let them update my 2014. I've already had 3 recalls on my def system. 3 dpf filters, 3 scrs, 3 def pumps, 2 water pumps, 1 egr valve, all recalled or warenteed.
I recently put a turbo actuator on it at 189,000 and still running original turbo. I'm at 206,000 miles rt now. I've cleaned the egr valve and tube only but never that filter box above the turbo, I don't want to even get into that nightmare although it's probably getting pretty clogged up by now. I have lost some power and gas mileage.
Sorry my emmisions equipment must have fell off or i may have lost it in a boat accident 😅
Great, less reliable diesels. Another win for the EPA, California, and dealerships over the working man.
Lets see what a ruling on Chevron does to the EPA.
Just hike the price of fuel $1 and keep on trucking is what Chevron would do
Yeah! Who needs regulations! Companies always do the right thing. 🙄
Along with the fishermen case
Emissions on a diesel are almost crippling. I know when I had ALL of my emissions removed on my 2016 Duramax, she breathed so freely, and accelerated so effortlessly, it felt as if I was driving with my brakes on the whole time before that.
IDK if it was the way you talked about it or if I maybe misunderstood how you said it but in regards to the ECM, the ECM is fully programed at the Cummins Midrange Engine Plant and the engine is shipped to the Ram assembly plant with the ECM affixed to the side of the engine with the engine side harness attached. This allows Cummins to test run every single engine before shipping to Ram assembly plant.
You are correct. ECM is from Cummins. The RAM/Cummins agreement says that Cummins is not allowed to connect to any RAM trucks and if caught there is huge fines. So Cummins isn’t allowing any of their mechanics the software to hook up. It’s not like Cummins doesn’t know how to connect to their own engines. They just won’t take the chance of getting caught.
With the after-treatment systems, these trucks were not made to be daily driving vehicles. I tried to make the daily driving work with my 2018 RAM, but the DFP was getting build-up only a matter of time before it failed. As Alex mentioned, you have to get them on the highway and get them hot to avoid some of these after-treatment issues.
Correct. I had my DPF removed and cleaned about 2 months ago. The mechanic told me to go on mini road trip every Sunday, run it in 4th gear to get the rpms up above 2000 When return home, let it idle for about 15 minutes so it can cool down properly
@@timothymoses216 That's exactly what I was told to do by the dealership with my 2018 - drive it on the highway for about 20 mins each week and make sure the DPF cycle finishes. Eventually, I had the exhaust upgraded and that solved the issue.
@brenteason9891
I wish they had an option on our view screen so we will know when we're in regen and when its finished
@@timothymoses216 The in-dash screen would be nice on the 4th gen trucks. I used my EDGE CTS3 monitor to see the regen process. Before that I had the simple OBD2 dongle plugged in my truck with a mobile phone app to see what the truck was doing on the regen (DPF temps go up and fuel mileage goes down).
So the 2023 I bought has a dpf gauge and it'll regen at 25%. I use it only to tow my camper or tractor ajd it never gets to 25% anymore. I bought a beater to DD. I've has the 23 for 6 months and towed 5k miles. You guys are correct, this truck isn't really made to be a bro truck. If it's used for how it was designed, the emissions components aren't problematic. It's all refined and modeled after our class 8 counterparts
EPA needs to be dismantled
Makes yea think how the EPA got their numbers and information 😅 4:14
6:27 more manual maintenance ehh I think that's what they want, to make Cummins less desirable
8:32 newer trucks don't make them better trucks, makes me love them pre 2010's even more
Truck looks Gay with the mirrors flipped up 👎
no thats it right there different rules for different people the age old problem that society always struggles with
Shut up!
What about compensation to get recall or how about a buy back option?
doesn't not seem like that will be available.
Everybody “wins”.-except us Ram owners. Why the hell do we come out on bottom? We spent $60K+ on these rigs in good faith and now we take it in the shorts with more costs and hassle and probably less performance while EPA and CA get a windfall? That’s BS. I’m all for clean air (and goal of clean air is a good thing), but the implementation here is jacked.
Ram/Cummins could fix this with a software update. The VWs couldn't be fixed because they didn't have DEF that could be turned up - hence the buy back.
Well its interesting that CA has a massive budget debt issue. It sure seems fishy to me and they are not declaring how much of that nearly 2 billion CA will get. I have a 2500 2018 RAM and I am holding the recall notice in my hand unfortunately.
We must all get political. Unelected bureaucrats have gone well beyond their mandate and are doing what they are doing just to be punitive. We cannot continue to stand on the sidelines and watch our way of life being destroyed
My 2018 went in the shop for emissions issues. Then they did the update. And now 14 days later it's back in the shop again.
Why not delete it?
What is it in the shop for now?
@@91CavGT5 warning service DEF System
@@jefflamb2900 I would love to but because I just purchased it in September and had requirements. Had to be under 100k. It also had to have extended warranty. Also able to be serviced by Ram Dealer. After its up I'm free to do what I need.
@@seanfritz1355 So why put the requirements on yourself, overpay for them and then have to wait it out and deal with the issues caused by emisions?
Far as I know, railway locomotives are pretty much the most fuel efficient way to move cargo period. It's probably only 27 locomotives because of the cost to perform the retro fit and the length of time the NOx reduction will take place in is probably many years and way more miles than an average Ram 2500/3500 truck driver
I have a 2006 Laramie 4x4 quad cab Cummins with 63k miles and in practically mint condition Thankfully none of this applies to me. With all this going on, my truck is likely worth more now than what I paid for it in ‘06.
2019 trucks were already recalled back in 2020 when Ram released the VB6 emissions recall. 67A is 2013-2018 trucks. The recall flash is nothing more than a NOx sensor strategy change. 2020 and newer trucks already have the updated flashes and necessary updates.
I got a low voltage def injector code within 24 hours of the recall. Could that be due to the recall?
Meanwhile……the guy in the $500 200k civic is riding by like….😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm missing something here, why couldn't someone come up with a soot scrubber for the ERG, something with a filter ? Crazy that we would purposefully send dirty soot back into the engine instead of capturing it !
Always wondered why they chose to pull the exhaust gasses directly off at the manifold instead of post dpf. I’m guessing it’s for packaging & assembly purposes, but I’m no automotive engineer.
Plain and simple. They want to do away with fossil fuel vehicles. Why do you need egr if you have def. It's all about money.
@@jeffs2809I believe the mini duramax in the small GM trucks egr’s pull after the scr. It is precisely cause of packaging. Those have the scr attached to the manifolds. Good design.
@jffs2809 Cat had a CGI system before they got out of the truck market and it was not very good
Check out FASS EGR Solutions . Less soot into engine with their product that they came out with.....
I bought a 2023 ram Laramie Cummins a year ago, tranny went out completely at 7k miles. Dealership fixed it no cost. It went out again at 12k miles it stayed in the shop for 60 days after that. Got it back and no problems tell last month. This time it was puking transmission fluid out of the dip stick tube. I'm really thinking about parking it in my uncle's 200 acre farm. Buy 1000 pounds of tanerite and blowing the truck up and go buy a old Chevy truck
I'm glad I still own my 07.5 2500 4x4 that I bought brand new in late 07. The cost of parts for these vehicles are insane, if I had to replace everything it would probably cost $15,000+ if you could find the parts. I really can't understand why one state sets the rules for an entire country on this matter, California is a joke. Can't wait to see all the lithium batteries from their electric vehicles pile up and then see what they do. My stuff got "stolen" and I can't find the other's that "fell off" while driving. Good video and straight foward information.
Idk the dpf fell of mine so i doubt they'll fix it under the recall
Cummins pulled the VW spoof
If you have renewable diesel in your area it cuts down on DEF usage a lot. I'm assuming it burns much cleaner as advertised so less def is needed. Seems to keep my 1st gen smoke down too....best of both worlds
I have a 2018 ram 2500 with the Cummins. I don’t plan to get this recall done. I haven’t had any issues with this truck. I added a banks intake horn and this helped with power and mpg.
Usually they will refuse to allow you to register your vehicle if its a federally required recall (EPA) until you have the recall taken care of. Thats what happened to me.
@@XRakkgruntX my ram uses def like it’s going out of style. Not planning to get this recall done.
If I understand this correctly it's the software calibration. This is a tuning issue, yes? So, why does everybody keep saying defeat "device"? A device is physical. Just goes to show these EPA witch hunters don't even understand the difference between a DEVICE and software.
If you can simply delete all the garbage emissions control, do it .
You will realize how choked up it was all along.
I'll go ahead and keep my defeat device. I feel that going through more DEF would cause more waste in plastic jugs. So I'm saving the environment by not getting the update.
Al Gore needs to put a big catalytic converter on his private jet and see how it goes!
As I said before Cummins should have put up more of a fight to this lawsuit. After this I would not buy one of their engines.
As a diesel fitter myself i have noticed the smell of engins burning oil due to abrasive soot caused by EGR returning to the cylinder
Good update! I am considering a 2024 RAM Diesel 3500 purchase. So this has my attention!
Won't be able to delete it. I have a 23 and there's no chance other than buying a 21 ecu with a similar Vin and tuning that.
@@Dasam2012Why not?
I notice you're from New Brunswick. Do you know if Canada is going to make the recall mandatory? Ive heard rumors that certain U.S. areas will need to see proof before you can renew your registration.
Probably affect most of the east. Alberta and Sask don’t care. We’re all deleted out here and don’t have these bullshit issues
I think it’s something I have a 2017 ram 3500 Laramie dually and it has 15 k on it and it has never went into regeneration it has never came up on my dashboard saying regeneration keep driving and she runs fantastic I’m going to mind business
Must be driving her well then. do you drive longer distances? these engines will perform passive regens while driving if they are hot enough.
False. You had plenty of passive and active regens in 15k miles. You’re driving your truck in a fashion that’s letting it finish regen cycles. That’s why you don’t get a warning on your dash. It should be seemless when you have a active regen.
@@TheGettyAdventures I forgot to put it in my comment I’ve also never added def it funny because I had a 2016 ram 1500 eco diesel and I had to add it a few times but my 3500 hasn’t got any and I’ve owned it since brand new
My 2017 automatically goes into regen (according to my edge insight) about every 24 engine hours. Doesn’t matter how I drive or how much I’ve been towing. The only times I’ve had it vary were when I had an issue with a wire on a sensor and when I maxed out an edge juice (it would regen about every 20 minutes then😉😮)
What would be hot enough? Over 700 degrees?@@TheGettyAdventures
Sounds like to me we need a cleaner burning fuel for our heavy duty trucks. Trouble is, it probably would be too expensive to run. I am just so sick of the complexity and failures of todays vehicles. And who ends up getting all of the money from these lawsuits? Yeah, the government. Go figure.
it all points in 86 bought diesel ford. $18,500... 2024 that same truck..... I was young and dumb... today old and smart.. I drive a caravan.
The warranty suck and all these diesel trucks can and will leave you in the middle of the night at the farthest point from a dealer as possible. Hope Trump passes a law making it illegal to build junk equipment. National emergency..
My 2023 2500 Cummins has been at the dealer for 50 business days since March throwing all kinds of codes and who knows what else? Explain that one.
To avoid idling, a heater, like a Webasto, may be worth the investment, though it may seem costly up front.
or even an oil pan heater would be a great idea for cold climates.
@@TheGettyAdventures I think he's referring to cab heat.
I was referring to a diesel fired engine heater. In the cold, plug it in (Block, pan, and battery) when you can. When out and about, fire up the Espar or Webasto to keep the engine warm and no /or little warm-up time required.
@@rodmcisaac3 Ah ok. When I looked up that name all it brought up was cab heaters lol.
I think it’s kind of weird and kind of odd that Volkswagen had to pay $25 billion to the American government but yeah Cummins only had to pay $2 billion. Someone purchased the government.
Are you performing the recalls or can only RAM dealers perform the recall? Any updates from owners if DEF pumps are failing or FC's due to the recall?
I have a 2018 2500 with the Cummins. I have NEVER had to do a regen. Not that I want to but wonder why. I have 194000+ miles and have never done one.
They are called a Cuapart I drove big trucks for 45 years I always had CAT,,then they bought me a Cummins junk,,I hated it so bad,,I retired,,There is no torque like the Cat had,,Not even close..
Also, my 23 seems to go into regen every thousand miles. And that's 90% driving 55-90 mph commuting. Idk how accurate the dpf guage is but it'll be reading zero or barely a quarter and still go into regen. So. Effing. Dumb.
Have a 2018 peterbilt with 527,000 miles. I use pittsburgh power fuel catalyst faithfully. Keeps combustion very clean with limited sensor failure. Cleaned dpf at 350,000, well past recommended time.
Thought diesels were compression not combustion? Maybe I'm wrong
@@benjaminwright1807They are compression.
EPA is at the point OF BEING ridiculous !!! LIKE OUR politicians, EPA is out of control!! The garbage they put on these engines reduces the MPG big time to begin with, not to mention all the problems and expense that come with this emission equipment!!
Nobody talks about all the DEF jugs going to the dump, now '12-18 will contribute more empty DEF jugs.
LOL hilarious stupid government crap ! Thanks for the very useful information and research !!
I always said. They shutdown the wrong company on the diesel engines,,they should've shut down Cummins junk instead of Cat Power!!
HAHAHAHAHA if it was mine I would ignore the recall if its running fine , you know what will happen
the recall will screw your engine over and / or have to be recalled again
The future of the diesel engine is doomed by this ridiculous government, I’ll just stick with my smelly 1987 Mercedes diesel that leaves a cloud of smoke behind it wherever it goes lol
its emissions...who gives a sh*t. Sad these new trucks cant get the same economy as my 02.......
Your right about making sure the exhaust is hot and no idling! Diesels are meant to work not just cruise around. My 2016 pete with 1.4 million km on it has never given me SCR problems because it never idlesfor very long.
So you are saying get a 5.9 Cummins. Or plan on deleting the emissions system.
My 14 hasn’t been to the dealership in 5 years. It’s definitely not going back now. My truck has special “tuning” that will get wrecked if they touch it.
Just about nobody is going to respond to an emissions recall. Victims of states like Cali maybe. Otherwise, screw 'em. All manufactures should defeat government meddling.
Yep, different rules for different people. The "government" can buy those trucks without any of those emission systems on them. The greatest polluters is the government themself , like the military. Back when ultra low sulfur diesel came in, the company I worked for had to get rid of around 250,000 gallons of low sulfur diesel and get the ultra low sulfur diesel. Guess where they sold the low sulfur diesel to? The Railroad.
I've owned 4 Ram's with the Cummins in them and not a one was painted RED!! I guess the RED ones are hard to come by, I looked at a 2024 and it's not Red either so where are them RED ones sold?? Inquiring Minds won't to Know!!
If federal government vehicles aren’t required to have emissions equipment then a civilian vehicle should not have to as well .
So the EPA is mandating lower fuel economy, more soot, and more DEF use which typically comes in big plastic containers. All to decrease NOX emissions. Yeah, the EPA is decreasing reliability of diesels….. yet again…….
EGR makes no sense on any engine, gas or diesel. My thinking is to ONLY work on the exhaust after it leaves the engine. To run any amount of exhaust back into the engine is stupid.
Electronics have already cleaned up the burning of the fuel in gas and diesel, which is way forward thinking tech, so simply leave it at treating what LITTLE emissions are heading for a muffler and call it a day.
The EPA is a bureaucratic agency. Are their edicts codified in law? Last I checked, only the legislature can make law. All law passed by congress must be codified in the Federal Register in order for it to be enforced as law. Has anyone ever determined that these emisions regulations are actually enforceable laws?
That's Cummins quality!! Buy it off the lot& Your on your own then..Even in the Big trucks too..
This dude is definitely a fan boy
“Some of them will need to be recalled”
All 2016-2018 trucks will be recalled and all trucks
built before October 1st of 2019 will need to be recalled that’s a lot of trucks dude stop trying to make the problem seem smaller than what it is but hey dodge guys are use to sitting at dealerships for recalls I heard their popcorn and coffee is good.
Cummins has admitted no wrong doing and that the EPA has targeted them. This statement is coming from the CEO. The EPA isn't done yet. They are just trying to get diesels off the road. The calibration that is put into the ram product is built by cummins and tested but is only used in the ram product. Chrsyler, Diamler, Fiat owns and purcheses the rights to that engine since 2003. That engine only goes in the ram product. ram has very little to do with that engine.
I hope this recall and fine helps reduce runaway inflation, sex trafficking, reduced taxes, and plastic pollution. 🤷
95% or maybe 90% of Americans can’t stand the EPA they don’t give a damn about you EPA you suck
30000 miles and truck is shut down due to exhaust filter plugged completely off what a scam!!!
Older Locomotives are horrible polluters. But they go by the year it was made. So they rebuild the engines instead of buying new locomotives that are very clean by comparison.
So Ram tried to make the EPA and other tyrants happy while being tested, and tried to make the customer happy when not being tested. At what point can owners and manufacturers sue the govt. for forcing engines to have less MPG, power, and reliability?
I LOVE THIS
Government local motive don’t have to change it though😝
Sounds more like a money grab from california, probably going into the bullet train, might get another 100 yards of track built😂
shouldn't have to run anything on the vehicles, the E9@ isn't paying the repair bills on are vehicles then they should have no say. they work for us not the other way around just saying.
You have every right to be frustrated with the politics here, because this is exactly the kind of mess that tyrannical pseudo-science backed legislation causes.
EPA CARB 🤮 How does Cummins paying a fine to EPA make the environment better? Oh yea it doesn’t
The biggest question is, how will they enforce the recall? I don't see any of these owners just dropping a day of work to have this recall done when it won't benefit them or their vehicle.
Oh man I'd be pissed owning one of these cummins, especially for the future possible emission system service that may be required down the road with decreased fuel economy for a companies ignorance and or arrogance