With tighter emissions standards and stricter enforcement, the DPF and the rest emissions systems seem to be the only way to keep diesel trucks from being regulated out of existence. Will manufacturers come up with a better simpler way to reduce emissions? Or is the DPF here to stay? What do you think?
Or, even better as soon as someone figures out how to burn 100% of the fuel in-cylinder, DPFs will no longer be required. Toyota has patented a new diesel combustion process that may get us closer to that goal.
The only reason they aim to regulate diesel out of existence is because the goal is to destroy the American economy and the american middle class. There is a reason so many of us in the midwest own and maintain old diesel rigs. Part of that is because they are easy to work on. The other is that we dont have to deal with this crap. The best prevention of tyranny is noncompliance. We wont comply. While many others do, and suffer the consequences, we dont.
@@carlrice3637How is he stroking the Evil Protection Agency? I don't like that the EPA shut down my grandfather's Sand & Gravel plant yrs ago for putting used creek water for washing pea gravel back into the creek but this dude conveyed what the EPA's rule is and how Banks has the best products that increase power and meeting the EPA rule. (RE his sand & gravel small biz, holding ponds were put into use about 1980 on wash plants but by that time my g-father had stopped operations. He focused on his dump truck business & had highway contracts with that)
@lacesout8292 he's sucking up to the EPA by doing this type of vid. He has government contracts he's trying to protect. He doesn't have the best products out there for civilian diesel use.
Great video! I am a retired mechanic (ASE Master Tech) and I live in Northern California. I had a CA Smog (test and repair) smog license for over 30 years. Banks is a world apart from all the so called "experts" out there. Understanding how these systems work and designing components that work with and even improve the performance of these modern emissions systems is key. Gale Banks and his employees are a class act really know what they are talking about.
I don't believe that a majority of people delete for power. It's reliability. EGR systems clog intakes and ruin engines WAY before the rest is worn out. The DPF can clog and not burn completely (think city driving with multiple stops) and ruin the engine as well. On top of that, when these parts that are forced upon us fail, the government won't be there to replace them and it's insanely expensive to replace them. It's far more financially viable to remove the components when they fail rather than replace them. God forbid your engine is fried due to a clogged DPF, those things are over $10,000, which is the cost of a small commuter car. I see regens almost every tank. My truck is 100% bone stock. Reliability concerns drive my desire to remove the crap, but I have not done so, yet.
Yup, nothing like a derate warning in the middle of a Youkon winter and being stuck in dealer parking lot for three days because a sensor wire on the DEF system is faulty following the previous derate and a seven week lead time on emissions system parts at the dealer requiring buying parts out of warrantee on ebay to get running. I feel ya.
Engines don't fry when the DPF is clogged. The DPF is cleaned with a chemical solution. I know because I had mine cleaned on my 2015 LML after the sensor failed. It was at the 85K mile mark. The cost was about $600.00.
@@GTOGregory Google it. I saw a video where one clogged and the DEF was sprayed in there until the engine cpuld not expel exhaust. It smoked white and shut off. Dude was lucky as his engine (Chevy/Duramax) was undamaged, but he needed an entirely new exhaust system. He has it in a video on YT somewhere. Watch it if you can find it.
@@GuretoSefirosu Nope. I'm not going to Google it. That's your job. You're making the claim. I understand someone chokes on Jello and dies each year. People still eat Jello and there are no Jello health warnings. One occurrence of a poorly maintained vehicle doesn't mean jack.
@@GTOGregory You cannot paste HTML links in YT comments. Either you're a troll without a clue about these systems (likely just a driver, not a mechanic), or you're have no clue how YT works. Either way, I literally can NOT paste a link here. You have to do the search yourself or live in ignorant bliss.
I've always thought that the focus should have been on fuel efficiency standards instead of emissions. If modern diesels were allowed to run uncorked but tuned for maximum efficiency imagine the fuel economy numbers we would be seeing these days. And it almost goes without saying that if you're burning far less fuel your emissions output would be much lower as well. The fuel economy numbers on modern diesel pickups are pretty terrible and we've actually gone backwards in most cases. I salute Banks for doing what they have to do to stay in business and push the tech development envelope with their products. That being said, the folks that I know with deleted trucks have seen substantial fuel economy increases and overall reliability improvements.
Erik,s explanation sounds like it’s coming from a very accomplished teacher. Give this guy a raise, and keep him around. Coming from a service engineer who taught 30 years.
Great video. Although DPF and SCR technology has came such a long way producing less emissions and record power/tq, when they need replaced, parts availability and costs are crushing. Trucks sitting for extended periods at dealers waiting for parts can really put a business owner who relies on it for a living in a real bad spot. Thats when the systems are removed- wait to follow the rules or put food on the table and keep the business open. Banks understands diesels better than anyone but when this emissions technology fails , the consumer is left to wait and pay up or remove it. The government is the king of "Do as I say not as I do". The blatant disregard of EPA rules by military vehicles, ships, planes etc etc. makes me scratch my head. If costs to repair and maintain diesel emission systems were reasonable and readily available when repairs are needed, I believe there would be far less deleted late model trucks out there.
Mike, well said, I was gonna chime in and say the same thing. Banks builds all of these deleted diesels for the military if they are so reliable why does the military not just leave them on and use them………… weird how long these older diesels lasted with out all of that emissions stuff.
for sure, with a personal truck i didn't mind deleteing it and playing with some extra power as fun. for a work truck the emissons systems are still too unreliable, and we've switched to gas for that reason.
@@adampetten1009 gas is great for light duty trucks, pickups and such, but for those of us who drive tractor trailers... good luck finding a gasoline kenworth, hahaha! god i remember the first time i had a DPF sensor go out while on the road, it completely stopped that shipment dead, costed the company i work for a lot of money, and the cargo went bad (perishable foodstuffs, and no other fleet vehicle close enough) - and people wonder why groceries are getting more expensive! meanwhile, the dumbfuck in charge of this godforsaken country wants to introduce more fuel taxes. mhm. thatll save the planet.
@@adampetten1009 I think is more on the side as mechanic service not knowing, not being able to do proper repair/maintenance, and lack of correct choosing of vehicles... I get makers ahve not fitted 0 maintenance, easy serviceable and cheap to repair thing together...but most of the time is more of a untrustful bussiness test... cleaning dpf, intake, egr... it's not rocket science, having to wait for something to go broken on spectacularly smell or smoke and then ask for a ramson to repair your working vehicle... auto makers should be clear on what maintenance schedules emission systems need, and they don't, because it depend on the use you make, and you may discover its product is not the best suited for you "captive" client... asking for an engineer to avaluate your necessities and targets in costs etc. it would make a difference with so much diverse options, electric, hybrid, diesel scr, petrol... most of the time is just drivers and routes who keep polluting, destroying parts...it can be a signal that something can be done better...don't blame new-tech and follow blindly mechanics because my bussiness is mine nor the mechanic's.
The climate cult is pushing their religion into every aspects of our lives. Excessive and expensive car emission systems, light bulbs, war on big oil as if there’s a viable replacement energy even ready yet, even the treated lumber we buy to build with had the EPA stick their nose in it and ban the chemicals that actually work at preventing rot decades ago so good luck getting a deck in humid environments to last 10-20 years anymore. They don’t. Who pays for all of these idiots failed ideology being pushed onto society. We the people. It’s all a scam for more money and control over us.
My 2017 Superduty has 300,000 miles. Zero issues with the Egr or DPF. Been running the derringer and Amsoil for 200k miles. I’m living proof this works.
@@alphaforce6998 Not a shill at all. I have found the modern diesels want to be run hard. Excessive idling and short in town trips kill these trucks. I run a minimum 200 miles a day. I understand this isn’t normal for most owners. Unfortunately no million miles for me. New truck is almost here. Sorry to hear you are having so many problems early.
@@frankclark7039 in fact, I think idling and short trips just kill engines in general, make cool wear to be the principal and faster way of destroying machines and environment and economy... choosing engine for the actual work the vehicle is going to do is way more important than ever (but it was also before). Even if talking only money, or being fuel as cheap as USA and other petro-countries... Total cost of ownership will have in fuel one of the major cost of all, repair/maintenance depends on time/mileagge, cost of vehicle... doing some numbers before it may be very good even for having several vehicles for the total price of one... 100.000 miles of urban/short can be roughly equivalent to 750.000 miles on road...
Here in the UK delivery vans and work vans now have DPF filters. They're usually all manual transmission, so economical delivery drivers who keep a constant low rpm short stop, idle, then start journeys kill DPF filters. A mechanic friend told me if they get a new van with trouble first thing to do is run it at 60mph in 2nd/3rd gear down the motorway, usually fixes any DPF issue. Driver never comes back again once they learn it needs to get HOT every so often to clear out all the emissions filters.
The biggest issue i have with the emissions system is that it is extremely unreliable and is consistently the cause of down time and in the trucking industry, that costs you more than the repair itself generally
On top of that, the fact it can shut your shit down on a road trip and leave you stranded is horse shit. I less bothered by power and efficiency and more bothered by faults and sensors failing which is A LOT. They still cant figure out a reliable system. Deleting for better MPG and reliability is all that matters to me. Dont care for power gains really
Forced regens are glorious. Nothing like damn near redlining the engine for an hour on the side of the road just so you can hopefully continue your freight run.
@@hurst814don't forget guys that get a new company truck and don't know to park with their trailer on the opposite side of the exhaust, and end up setting their trailer and truck on fire.
Really informative and well produced video. Eric is excellent! DEF vs. EGR use is the tightrope manufacturers have to walk while meeting emissions targets. Heavy EGR use to lower NOx creates more soot which taxes the DPF. Lighter EGR use runs hotter and cleaner soot wise, but requires more DEF to deal with the resulting NOX increase while meeting emissions targets. Less EGR is generally good for the DPF and overall emissions system reliability. It is reported by owners that GM's new 3 liter I6 diesel uses quite a bit of DEF. I wager GM is running lower levels of EGR in that engine, and the EGR it does run is filtered through the closely mounted DPF first. Recently saw a teardown video of the new 3.0 on the "I do Cars" YT channel, the engine was quite clean inside, looking more like a gas engine and not looking like a 145K mile diesel at all. Alas, that particular engine got chewed up as the idiot owner didn't keep oil in it and the pressure fed cam chain tensioners lost the plot, as did the main bearings if memory serves. Though much maligned for it's belt driven oil pump, GM's 3.0 I6 diesel is a cool engine, and the apparently by design increased DEF use is worth it. The belt looked fine in the UA-camr's teardown video by the way. GM's problematic by the 150K mile mark torque converter will probably need replacing anyway, the belt is easy to service at that point 😆
Excellent video! My personal goal is to buy a taken care of pre emissions diesel truck and never have to worry about emissions checks and the issues that come with emissions equipment. Honestly if manufacturers would just warranty emissions equipment my faith would be restored. I wasn’t able to enjoy any road trips with my DPF equipped truck because I couldn’t stop thinking about it failing in the middle of nowhere and being stranded because a particulate sensor went out.
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We shall now show you why you shouldn’t cut out your emissions equipment by cutting apart this emissions equipment that we got from… well never mind that part… In all seriousness thank you for explaining all of this. I have asked 3 performance shops and 2 EPA agents how all of this garbage helps the environment. You are the only people who’ve been able to speak to it intelligently so THANK YOU!
thanks for video, gave a really great explanation about the system.. some old timers complain about all the new emission standards but I remember a time when you didn't want to be driving behind a big rig or sitting beside them on the road because of all the pollution coming out of their exhaust..and the truck stops were like a bad industrial park
Your still breathing in the chemicals just can't see or smell them as much anymore. Also I remember the 90's very well when no trucks had these and it all seemed the same as now to me.
Thank you for the detailed information in non-technical jargon. I have had my Derringer tuner on my 2017 ecoDiesel from almost day 1, and it is amazing. I wish Banks made a oil catch can for it, because I know you would make sure that it didn't set any cades and include everything necessary before selling it.
Congratulations to Eric for his outstanding presentation on DOF, DOC, and SCR in the field of chemical and mechanical engineering! It’s impressive to deliver such a comprehensive overview you have earned your PhD. Eric’s expertise and excellent delivery certainly deserve applause. Well done, Eric! Now, I can’t wait to order ALL Banks products for my 2020 Ram 3500 just need to wait for warranty to end.
Coming from a chemE it was a good presentation. He can paint a beautiful picture for the dumbest person in the room. This video is Banks passing the red-faced test to customers & the epa for many of their products.
@@DizzKidz Your comment is somewhat vague. Who is the ChemE, You or Eric ? ( I think Eric ) Who are you calling the 'dumbest person in the room' ? Yourself, the Viewers, Me, Eric or Gale ? If you think it is a 'beautiful picture' and not factual, please paint for us 'Your Picture' with 'scientific facts' please. I am fairly familiar with these systems and found Eric's explaination to be very thorough & correct. Without expecting people to be ChemE's or even Chem Lab Techs, Eric made it quite easy for anybody, including 'THE DUMBEST PERSON' in the room, to understand the entire diesel exhaust pollution control system. In fact, this is the best and most complete explaination I have seen anywhere. To get any better you would have to sit down with a Tech Manual or a Diesel Pollution System textbook /online course. I liked it so well and found it to be so enlightening I even viewed twice ! So, grab your paint and brush and PAINT YOUR PICTURE for us ! Regards the 'red faced test', I don't think the EPA accepts a verbal explaination over test results. The test data has to confirm the modifications or it will not get approved. Period, end of story. Most of us here are willing to learn good & updated info. That is why we are here. Looking forward to your informative / educational input ! Thank You.
Just wanted to say I'm loving this series. You guys are breaking information down to clear, easy to understand bits that are explained clearly for people of every level of knowledge to understand without being boring or condescending. Great job, and I look forward to the next installment!
Ok, so they build 30 new factories in China with no regulation on emissions to make a bunch of new parts out of more materials that have to be mined, processed and shipped to those factories to be put into "American made" vehicles and then load those parts onto a huge ship, that puts out more emissions than 300 diesel pickups, to haul it half way around the world and then in order for the parts to effectively reduce emissions the truck owner has to spend extra money on more chemicals that are consumed by the vehicle that have to be produced in an emissions emitting factory with whose ingredients which are hauled there with a diesel engine and those chemicals are made of urea which is the primary nitrogen component in fertilizer, which causes higher demand and drives fertilizer prices higher which increases the cost of food production and thus makes everyone on the planet have to pay more for food. The overall emissions have not been reduced. the cost on everything you buy has simply been increased.
I enjoy these videos with Erik just as much as the videos with Gale. His knowledge and dedication to true innovation in the industry is on track to rival his grandfather's some day!
Fantastic video! I've always wondered why the #1 guy in trucks (Gale Banks) is trying to work with the emissions systems instead of fighting them. Sure, money talks, but with as educated as he is on the subject, he has to know something we don't. Please keep these videos coming!
I'm glad you all find a happy medium between the nitty gritty technical stuff for nerds like me and entertainment for the casual enthusiast. Also, thank you for not ignoring the purpose and importance of emissions equipment, however inconvenient to some.
I had an 08 Cummins with the G56. I bought it from an old timer with 35000 miles on it. On the way home, I drove about 200 miles and got 13 mpg. I had the stuff to delete it there already and got to work. With the tune, I would consistently get 18-19 unloaded and about 14 or 15 loaded down. Now, the tune helped but every once in a while I would go to stock tune with the deletes and my boost would be super low and my EGTs would be really high. I’m guessing it had to run hot to burn the crap off. All that to say, the truck ran better and got better fuel economy. I would 100% recommend it. If nothing else, the EGR is gross. When you take it off, you see all the junk in the air horn.
As the new owner of a diesel truck, I really appreciated this video. I was never planned to delete the emissions system (I like breathing too) - I'm more interested in longevity and reliabilty.
YES also am a new Diesel pickup owner. Had GAS engine trucks since 1979. My new Duramax Allison. I never want to add anything to this engine. I watch experts on transmissions talk about if you make more power on the engine you also need to address the transmission. I watch experts Transmission videos on U-Tube as he talks through the take down showing what went wrong with a power boost to Engine only. These experts on transmission show the different parts they add to transmission the beef them up for power surge on Diesel Engine. I also own a 8V-71 Detroit Diesel plus a 353 Detroit on two pieces of restoration equipment that I own. YES I'm leaving my Duramax as is.
If you want longevity and reliability, you have 2 options: either delete all of that useless shit off of it, or buy a pre-emissions truck. That is LITERALLY the only way💯💯💯...I understand what gale banks is saying, but I've lost a lot of respect for the man because of his push FOR these systems that destroy these trucks. I've had 3 new trucks with emissions on them, and not a single one of them made it past 170k without needing 10k worth of emission system related work to make them usable again, which I guess is ok if you fully understand that you will never have to replace that system on that particular truck ever again, due to the engine eating its own ash and scoring the cylinder walls so bad that a rebuild is necessary at 300k💯💯💯...as much as I hate to say it, I don't know one person who has these trucks that DONT delete the entire system, and if there's one thing that seems to be becoming the norm everywhere, none of these people use anything Banks-related in any way. He has alienated his people with the sheer amount of lies about "reliable emissions systems with a tune makes more horsepower".....that's 100% grade A bullshit. You will never see an emissions compliant truck with a tune go head-to-head with one that isn't, and if you do, that emissions choked chunk of plastic and steel ain't gonna fare well at all💯💯💯💯💯
What an excellent video! Eric is well versed and perfect for these explanations. I absolutely love what you guys are doing, I'm hooked! Please keep the great info coming I cant wait to learn something new that I can apply to my truck.
Great explanation of these systems. I remember when they first started installing them in diesel trucks. The shops were overloaded with them due to emissions related breakdowns. I like the idea of more power, but not at the costs of repairs for these things. I have lots of friends who have had them and have the horror stories to go with them. I’m glad to hear that the manufacturers have gotten that under control. That was a good comparison with the gas vehicles and catalytic converters. It was a bad time for automobiles. I’ve been hanging onto my old (1996) Suburban diesel for over 20 years, and it looks like I will keep on trucking with it for the foreseeable future. Thank you for such a great, well thought out video!
Hey Guys what an excellent breakdown, we are over in the UK, our own diesel trucks are used for short runs so we drop the oil every 3000 miles, always use Shell premium and change filters regularly....never had an issue, no dpf clogging, no smoke and completely standard tune.
My truck is a 2018 Ford F350 XLT cc lb drw...I have installed several Banks products: Ram air intake, 5" Monster exhaust, Derrringer set @ power level 3, Pedal Monster @ city level 10...Before Banks items my regens were happening around the 325 to 380 miles & soot levels 90% to 100% with no passive regens...after Banks items installed regens occur regularly at 497 miles & soot levels run 50% to 70% with many passive regens...also my mileage has gone from 16.2 to 16.7...I monitor things with your idash Super Gauge & idash Data Monster
@@drunkpolack7612 Because, 1) it's illegal, 2) it's not necessary. If your engine is in good condition and the aftertreatment system is in good condition, and you don't have a bunch of shit parts and a shit tune to go with those parts, then you won't have major issues with your aftertreatment system. Will the DPF last forever? NO. It's not designed to last forever. Is your air filter, oil filter, cabin air filter or crankcase ventilation filter designed to last forever? NO. Do people change those at some designated interval? YES (except the idiots I suppose). A DPF is a FILTER (it's in the name, duh) and will at some point need to be changed. Thank fully, unlike any other filter in your truck, it can partially clean itself by running a regen. If it didn't do that, it'd plug up even faster and you'd be changing the DPF more frequently. Hey, I get it. When these systems first hit the market, they weren't very good and very problematic. That's why deletes were born. But, the sftertreatment systems have gotten a lot better since '07 and are pretty reliable (unless you start adding those shit parts and shit tunes I mentioned) and deleting them is not necessary, even if it WASN'T illegal.
My first good diesel truck was stock and I contacted Gale Banks Engineering about how to do something to help the fuel mileage and performance meaning torque for towing REALLY heavy loads they talked with me anytime I wanted and finally my changes were made very few actually and the thing doubled in mileage and torque. It was over the warranty and had RIDICULOUS TORQUE AND FUEL MILEAGE and I can't say enough for their help ! And no charge for telling me what's best for that particular truck ! When my new truck warranty is up I'll be doing this ay with their direction of course !!!! We're talking EXPERTS. THANKS GUYS
Only illegal to modify for a shop to do so. You doing it at home does not violate any laws. If you live in a rural area where you don't need a smog check to get tags you'll never need the def or egr system. Im usually against tuning but with newer vehicles relying on these systems you will notice a dip in fuel economy until you tune it. This is why I'll never buy a post emissions diesel. Newest I would buy is 06-07 maybe but that depends. And for those wondering why uria sounds familiar, it's because it's basically piss. Chemically it's the same thing...
I’m retired from the company that invented and makes the substrates for DPFs. It is pretty amazing technology and it was a challenge getting a low-cost manufacturing process to plug every other channel in the substrate.
@dang5553 no government is, this guy is just an expensive solution to another government generated problem. Always choose small government! You cannot trust them ever! Joe biden has been receiving his paycheck from foreign government for 50 years and man made climate change is bogus government created BS
So if Banks makes better power and it's actually possible to do that, why doesn't it come that way from the factory? surely the engineers there have more data and resources than banks? Can you cover that question some time
You just said the magic words ! The few active regen your truck engine sees the longer it last ! So delete your engine,you’ll have cleaner oil better diesel mileage,
All real good info. I had 2012 ford 350 diesel that went from 18 mpg stock to 24 mpg with the Def system deleted and the Edge chip only set at 50hp. The system not only increased hp and fuel economy but we tested emissions before and after the delete and although there was a slite increase from the delete it was very little. The truck ran better and more efficiently by removing all the excess.
We're not doing it for horsepower! It's for longevity and reliability! I run a EFI tow tune and tranny tune. Hauling RV's. Much cheaper to delete than repair. Haven't seen a 500+k miles that wasn't deleted.
Wonder if you'd use the same logic if someone pulled up to your yard and dumped a whole truck of sewage in it and said "don't care about what you think"
All good stuff, but, I've had nothing but service engine lights from my totally stock 2017 superduty truck due to the DPF. After the 4th time at the dealer, and having the check engine light come on again on my drive home with the threat to limit speed to 80km's/hr I cut the stupid thing out and got a delete tune. My fuel mileage has gone up 100km's per tank, and I have another 200 hp. Massive HP/Torque increase over stock. I never even floor it anymore. 3/4 throttle and I'm gone.
Cool technology, it’s a shame the epa mandated the 250 mile limp mode fault. Unfortunately that’s not practical for my use, I ended up deleting after being stranded.
@@Jonathan_Doe_ lol your a girl... Have you ever had a cigarette had a beer had too much candy eating a burger... Driven too fast forgot to put on your seatbelt etc life is full of hazards... I doubt diesel smoke is the worst thing I will run into... Delete it! Fack the epa
@@jwalker7567going to have to try that...I just picked up a 2024 F350 last week that started at 40% DPF fill and is now at 65% after about 200 miles. Most of the 200 was on the highway, but going 70mph I was only taching about 1100 so I know it wasn't doing me any good. I'll give a shot at limiting the gear so rpms climb and see if that lowers my DPF fill number. I'll be towing a 15k lb 5th wheel soon so that will help. Thanx for the tip.
This is a great explanation of how diesel emissions systems work, and also further reinforces my belief in not buying new vehicles. More complexity=less reliability. But you guys kick some serious ass! The level of engineering you put into your products is outstanding.
You can use "Big Iron Bar" to clean out clogged dpf filters. It also works great on catalytic converters and stock Harley Davidson mufflers. Just a few strokes of Big Iron Bar will fix most exhaust problems.
I use the BIB on cats after index marking the converter-pipe joint with three parallel scribe marks so I can correctly replace it before welding. HD mufflers are easy of course. I backed mine up with wood then used a hydraulic press to shear the welch plug from the baffle center.
I want to see Banks doing some work with Speed of Air Technologies and Dynomite Diesel. I think that trio could make an insanely efficient engine, with the SOA pistons, Dynomite's clean and efficient injectors, and of course Banks' tuning and airflow knowledge.
That would be great to see, considering Speed Of Air put a set of their pistons into a transit bus engine around Tahoe with a 7.2 Cat engine seven years ago, and until now the bus hasn’t regenerated once. So hopefully their pistons are burning the fuel clean enough that people could theoretically buy even less DEF.
Exactly. Plus all of their testing with CAT off road haul trucks, the pistons more than doubled the oil intervals and had more than double the lifespan of the standard motor. If we can clean the burn at the source and remove the after treatment, everyone will be happier. The EPA will have the standards met, the end user gets more efficiency and durability, and the enthusiasts get the good sounds and increase of power.
Knowing the facts is the only way to get the most out of anything. I was against any diesel tunes that rolled coal when I had my TDi, if only because I wanted to enjoy driving my car without the constant smell of unburnt fuel and smoking out other people on the road. Turbo diesels are great and durable powerplants, and more information like this and better tunes will keep them on the road longer and available as engine options in new cars.
Great video with excellent information! One thing to keep in mind though is that service trucks generally have wayyy higher idle times than normal. While these emission systems continue to improve, these exhaust systems are EXTREMELY expensive to repair/replace. My company has lost almost $500k so far just this year in truck downtime (not counting the cost to repair is like $3-4k per repair) due to backordered parts to fix the exhaust systems when they break...and they seem to break way more often than they should.
Fastest lap EVER at Mosport a 2.5 mile road track that opened 60yrs ago was by an Audi diesel Lemans car No smoke Not loud exhaust Just tons of torque Smoke and noise DO Not equal power! End of Story!! Great educational videos
I'm 66 years old and I've got an '04 LB7 that just turned 512,000 miles. It doesn't have any of that stuff and it still runs great. I'm hoping that given proper care it'll outlast me.
They look like a really bad restriction. All I know is that the dodge trucks that were in our fleet had more engine problems and spent more time in the service center than they did on the road all because of those. They created more engines problems and threw more codes than they were worth. I’m speaking of truck with less than 50,000 miles on them. We’ve had the issues start with as little as 3000 miles.
@@tysondehnhoff7561 I pulled my system completely off after having replaced it twice. Each time it was pulled off the intercooler, intercooler pipes and intake were all caked in a black sludge. My fuel economy was about 13-14mpg on the highway and in regen it dropped to about 6-7 mpg. After removing it and completely flushing the system out, cleaning everything back up again my fuel economy on the highway was 20-21 mpg at 75 mph and about 24 mpg at 55-60 mph. The truck runs so much better with more power, my oil changes have been cleaner and I’m burning less fuel for the same distance so it cheaper on my wallet. I haven’t had a single issue since it’s been removed and I use to pull heavy loads in/on a gooseneck trailer. For those that’s would say it wasn’t serviced properly, the engine oil was changed every 3-4 thousand miles, the transmission is serviced once a year and the fuel filters are changed with every oil change.
@@zimmyflip Fortunately for my personal I have one of the last great tuners and it’s capable of either a clean tune while still adding 75 horsepower or up to 375 horsepower with smoke. Spartan in my experience had the tuning down for the Fords. Unfortunately they are no longer around because it was either pay us a ton of money and comply or pay us even more and your gonna be permanently shut down. Just more government interference but what’s new as it has become all to common place these days.
I'm a truck driver. Emissions are the biggest downfall and biggest expense and it is about to get worse with 2 def tanks. I'm glad I have pre emissions truck and I never getting rid of it.
Basically the engine is eating its own shit. Sounds pretty healthy...And when the emissions goes out, (which it will) it's thousands & thousands of dollars that the manufacturer isn't paying for. But yet you have to have it??? Makes total sense?
It sucks, however, because there is an emissions standard in place, it's the best we have to work with. Not all hope is lost. There are manufactures that are experimenting with fuels and tech that would eliminate the need for emissions hardware. When will be come available? Not soon enough.
@bankspower you guys are great! It's just frustrating that the EPA has free reign of everything with no one evaluating them. They just make new bullshit rules every year. With no regard for the common man wanting to buy a new truck. This is part of the reason these new trucks cost as much as an early 2000's Lamborghini it's ridiculous. But keep up the videos!
The EPA recently decided to look at data showing how CO2 is worse than NOX emissions from diesels. Too bad diesels produce more CO2 because the EGR reduces engine efficiency and lifecycle use. Nice job EPA, you ignored all the case studies that pointed out exactly that and screwed most diesel owners and manufacturers alike. From what I've seen most people don't have dpf issues nearly as often as the scr system. If we did away with the egr and allowed engines to not choke on their own exhaust, we could improve efficiency, reduce pm, and regen far less frequently prolonging dpf life for hundreds of thousands of miles. On a side note, the ash that exits the dpf during regens is generally in the category of very small pm which stays in the atmosphere longer and has worse long term health risks. A properly tuned modern diesel with no emissions produces less CO2 while lasting longer at the expense of NOX emissions (which factoring in all diesel engines in existence produce less NOX than lightning does). Modern emissions have been improved with better air flow characteristics, improved injection cycles and pressure, but have been hamstrung by government mandates that have done more harm than good.
We are in the right direction with this, Nox to CO2 is 265:1 effect on greenhouse. Honestly this is still a bandaid, next gen tech is going to be crazy efficient.
Great video and company. That said the level of complexity and maintenance costs are beyond ridiculous for many of these diesel trucks. The pursuit of emission control has pushed The technology to be more efficient and therefore more powerful as stated but the bizarre systems and components required to make the emissions less deadly makes it a nightmare for everybody. There's got to be a better way. When it comes I'm sure banks will be right there to support it and make it better.
That was an awesome video. I learned a lot I was thinking about deleting my 2014 Duramax but now maybe not thanks great video I had to check out that Turner
If companies would just tell us that the vehicle is in regeneration mode than we may feel a little better about them. I feel like they are trying to have your truck break down so you have to take it in to get costly maintenance. That’s the quickest way to lose customers!
Great video and super informative but unfortunately I doubt the coal rollers will take your advice or even care. Owning multiple TDI's has proven to me you can have a clean exhaust even without a DPF and a tune.
you can run decent tunes with the dpf the dpf actually likes a spicy tune as keeping it nice and hot keeps it from having to regen it just does not like the lazy sooty tunes
Great video. Sadly, I bought my Land Rover RRS diesel three years ago, and after a DPF "full" warning (which wouldn't allow a forced regen, but I figured out how to do it, and save $6,000) then a DEF pump and injector check engine light (kept the vehicle off the road for a month while JLR figured it was a software bug they'd never seen before) and finally an EGR fault ($2,000 to replace, but I passed), I traded the otherwise awesome vehicle (during a stint when the EGR wasn't acting up and the CEL was off) for a gasoline version. It used to be diesels were the hot setup for durability and economy, but no more.
Great video. Got a chem 101 refresher, got supporting info about the clowns rolling coal and learned what mu DPF looks like. As always, Banks teaching as well as preaching.
DPF, greenies brilliant idea of creating a special filter... that requires more use of the vehicle and more fuel being burnt to clean the filter.. my old work truck had a DPF, a 2014 light truck its cost at least 10k in repairs related to the DPF. one fun feature is, running the truck getting up to speed and having the thing go into limp mode because you touched the 80kph mark now it wants to do a burn but its worked out its been running for 5 minutes... you could also force regen it, letting it sit at 3k rpm for 20mins honestly, if its got a DPF id avoid it
Most people delete the truck to make it louder and more efficient you can’t get a nice sounding truck with the emissions equipment. let’s not forget that the emission systems burns fuel in the exhaust in order for the exhaust to be cleaner and burn the soot out of the dpf .therefore lowering your efficiency. In the end, there’s more pros to removing the emissions than keeping it on.
The reason for this video is to please the EPA and so they can stay in business. yes we need emmisions controls on regular daily driven cars and trucks. BUT... Banks saying that their tuner can make more power with the emmisions connectedis slightly disengenuois.
I agree, bad stuff comes out of the diesel exhaust, Now lets see the exhaust gasses tested DURING a regen. This would answer some questions for me. I've read some states that do test emissions will not test them during a regen...
@@nickl3628 China and India? Particulates don't travel all the way from there... And are you seriously using the argument: "Look at them, they pollute the air, lets do the same!"
@@TheEsseboy particles travel that far lol. And they are #1 and #2 on the list. We are #14 on pollution list. We are spending money on a product that barely works but you got china and india.. And also the same people bitching about climate change fly with private jet and yachts 😂
@@nickl3628 No, they do not, particles of that size do not travel across the largest ocean on earth.... DPFs work, and they stop local pollution...stop spreading disinformation! So you think anyone who takes climate change seriously use private jets and yachts often? Wow, didn't billions of people where that rich lol.
I always thought that the DPF was upstream, BEFORE the Selective Catalytic Reducer. It would seem the diesel particulates would foul the SCR more quickly, than exhaust that has been filtered first. The only way it makes sense to have the DPF down stream, is if the extreme heat from a regeneration cycle raises the exhaust gas temperatures high enough to damage the catalyst.
You are correct....Flow is DOC to DPF, clean exhaust is treated by DEF doser at SCR inlet. The chemical process reduces nox and is read by the inlet nox (after turbo) and the outlet nox (SCR outlet) the 2 readings decide the rate of DEF dosing.
That makes perfect sense. I might have been confusing the SCR for the DOC. I, at first, thought that DOC was just a different description of the SCR, but now, I know, that it's actually a 3rd component located upstream from the DPF.@@jebediahnightlinger6357
Active region lasting 20 minutes😂😂😂😂 mine last for days! And it doesn’t when I’m telling heavy loads as well. Mine went into limp mode while towing a trailer over 1000 miles.
We’re Never Ever Selling our 1999 Ford F-350 Super Duty with the great 7.3 L power stroke. 4 door cab 4X4 With ONLY 55,000 ACTUAL MILES On it !!! That truck is a GOLDEN NUGGET to keep in the family forever !!! NO POLLUTION CRAP on her at all !! Only possible weak spot it may have is the Automatic tranny but hey hey can be easily Bullet proofed !!
@bankspower Where we live, we don't have emission testing. We honestly don't care (Ohio). I just googled a 6.7 Powerstroke and a 6.7 Cummins delete kit from Canada shipped to my door. The average cost seems to be around $2700 with the tuner. $2700 and I never have to worry about anything after the turbo again. Now, a REMAN DPF system for a 6.7 also ranges in price across Google. Most are around $3000 for the whole system. Used are around $1500 from a junkyard all rusted. Most trucks last over 250,000 miles, normally. How many times will I have to replace anything on the aftertreatment system over the life of the truck? NOX sensors, the 7th injector, the DPF filter, DEF doser, the DEF system in general, this list goes on. It seems anything related to emissions, fails a lot sooner than anything else on the truck. That's just the physical parts. Now we get into the obnoxious price of labor to replace any faulty parts, if you don't work on your own equipment. Emissions, the EPA and the idiots "rolling coal" aside, over the life of the truck, I'm spending the $2700 upfront, deleting the DPF and I'm done. Never spending another dime on anything after the turbo. Over time, the aftertreatment systems have improved, especially on the big truck side of things but parts still fail and parts are expensive to replace after the warranty expires. This has nothing to do with "I hate the EPA" (I do but..) or "I wanna ROLL COALL!!!", this is coming from people who can't afford breakdown after breakdown and a derated truck related to the aftertreatment system. $2700 now and delete VS who knows how much $$$ over the life of the truck. This comment is also coming from an individual, not a business owner who the EPA can attack. A big difference there.....
Modern jet combustors are pretty good at not making PM to begin with. But take a look at a photo of an old 707 or DC-8 on takeoff, in the old days the planes used to roll coal like the dirtiest diesels.
DPFs themselves are a great thing, it's just that so many manufacturers did an awful job implementing them, either due to lack of engineering effort or on purpose to profit off of it later down the road. The best kind of DPFs are the ones, which have one additional fuel injector in front of them. Those are extremely easy to keep clean and trouble-free basically forever as long as the software controlling it is even a bit decent. But most car manufacturers are going the inexpensive route by not including the additional injector and are rather trying to add additional fuel to heat up the DPF through the engine itself by adjusting the timing when the right driving conditions are met. These usually aren't met or the software the manufacturers tried creating isn't good enough to do proper regen and voila, we end up with issues and people go hard on believing DPFs are the worst thing ever when in reality, they're awesome. DPFs, when properly implemented, allow us to enjoy all the pros of diesel engines without any negatives and as someone who really loves diesels, I'm more than happy to have them not to be releasing a ton of soot into anyone's lungs while driving.
In the U.K. we either have a friendly MOT tester (except for bmw who fit a nice under tray for us) or we take the DPF off, hollow it out and refit it so it still passes inspection every year. EGR isn’t a problem in that respect, I’ve had quite a few performance diesels and every single time I get one I take DPF EGR and swirl flaps out and spend 2 hours cleaning the intake manifold because it’s caked in carbon. I’m talking a good 50/60% reduction of diameter on some 50k miles engines. They run like a dream afterwards, gov can say what it wants but until it starts paying for the reliability sacrifices eg parts that need to be replaced I’ll be doing the same thing every time.
Banks should engineer a PVC catch can to keep the oil out of the intake so it doesn't get burned. Catch cans for turbos are not simple like on a naturally aspirated engine. Gale needs to engi ner a catch can for all diesel trucks and the Ford F150 ECO boost.
@@garybulwinkle82 Yes but diesel fuel doesn't have Zinc and other minerals in it like engine oil. In the video he said in particular that oil from the PCV system will eventually ruin the DPF because of the Zinc in the engine oil. Also the oil from the PCV system ends up coating the back side of the intake valves with some nasty stuff.
The problem I’ve have is that DEF freezes at 10 degrees F I’ve been stuck on the side of a road for hours because of a emissions system if you live where it gets below 0 regularly you should delete the emissions
EPA: You cannot delete emissions on your diesel for better power and fuel mileage. Also EPA: Hey lets let all these hazardous chemicals leak in local water sources for days and then set it on fire and let it go into the atmosphere
Love the product reviews, but the upgrades on your truck was awesome! If you could find a way to pull of both, I would be absolutely glued to your channel (even though I practically are already 😂)
step 1: cut DPF using a grinder from main exhaust step 2: cut open the DPF, preferably a horizontal cut along the side of DPF step 3: GUT IT ALL OUT step 4: weld it shut Step 5: weld back onto the exhaust system Step 6: delete the DPF from the ECU with a quick remap. :)
DPF is still a band aid. Just like air pumps and EGRs were in the early eighties. I expect DPF to phase out at some point. Probably from changes to fuel. My 2002 stock Duramax suits me just fine and never blows black smoke. It also starts just fine in low sub zero weather without plugging it in. That doesn't mean I don't plug it in during those cold stretches, I just prefer to give my batteries a break.
I wouldn’t delete my trucks if they would last but they don’t I’ve had 3 dpfs fail around 130-150k KM or near 100k miles. We buy these trucks for the reliability factor but the emissions systems don’t last and when they do fail they cost 15% of a new truck my last repair quote was $13,700 to replace the system when it only cost me 3k to delete it. Now deletes are legal here in Alberta Canada but manufacturers need to step up if they want to really help out. But they don’t care it’s just the bottom dollar to them. I think that if the government wants it and demands it they should force the manufacturers to do a life time warranty on them.
With tighter emissions standards and stricter enforcement, the DPF and the rest emissions systems seem to be the only way to keep diesel trucks from being regulated out of existence. Will manufacturers come up with a better simpler way to reduce emissions? Or is the DPF here to stay? What do you think?
? Which is better for the health of your emission system: stationary regen or driving to clean?...Or does it matter as long the regen happens?
Yes because DEF was bought and paid for by politicians
I think banks should engineer a free flow DPF w/ the manufacturer to make something more realistic reliable and EPA certified.
Or, even better as soon as someone figures out how to burn 100% of the fuel in-cylinder, DPFs will no longer be required. Toyota has patented a new diesel combustion process that may get us closer to that goal.
The only reason they aim to regulate diesel out of existence is because the goal is to destroy the American economy and the american middle class. There is a reason so many of us in the midwest own and maintain old diesel rigs. Part of that is because they are easy to work on. The other is that we dont have to deal with this crap.
The best prevention of tyranny is noncompliance. We wont comply. While many others do, and suffer the consequences, we dont.
It's crazy that the highest quality videos on diesels are by an after-market support company. Banks, keep it up!
Protecting his military contracts by stroking the EPA...
@@carlrice3637How is he stroking the Evil Protection Agency? I don't like that the EPA shut down my grandfather's Sand & Gravel plant yrs ago for putting used creek water for washing pea gravel back into the creek but this dude conveyed what the EPA's rule is and how Banks has the best products that increase power and meeting the EPA rule. (RE his sand & gravel small biz, holding ponds were put into use about 1980 on wash plants but by that time my g-father had stopped operations. He focused on his dump truck business & had highway contracts with that)
@lacesout8292 he's sucking up to the EPA by doing this type of vid. He has government contracts he's trying to protect. He doesn't have the best products out there for civilian diesel use.
Great video! I am a retired mechanic (ASE Master Tech) and I live in Northern California. I had a CA Smog (test and repair) smog license for over 30 years. Banks is a world apart from all the so called "experts" out there. Understanding how these systems work and designing components that work with and even improve the performance of these modern emissions systems is key. Gale Banks and his employees are a class act really know what they are talking about.
Right on, thank you.
What about the smog from all the Chemtrails?
How much of the smog was from tuners versus old junkers that needed maintenance u think?
@@cdimmm Chemtrails are water vapor.
@@paulcopeland9035 And a bit of lead, since aviation fuels are required to have an antiknock component.
Coming up on 100k miles running the Derringer on my L5P. Reliable and powerful, I couldn’t ask for more. Thanks for the great product!
Great to hear, thanks for being a Banks customer!
I don't believe that a majority of people delete for power. It's reliability. EGR systems clog intakes and ruin engines WAY before the rest is worn out. The DPF can clog and not burn completely (think city driving with multiple stops) and ruin the engine as well. On top of that, when these parts that are forced upon us fail, the government won't be there to replace them and it's insanely expensive to replace them. It's far more financially viable to remove the components when they fail rather than replace them. God forbid your engine is fried due to a clogged DPF, those things are over $10,000, which is the cost of a small commuter car.
I see regens almost every tank. My truck is 100% bone stock. Reliability concerns drive my desire to remove the crap, but I have not done so, yet.
Yup, nothing like a derate warning in the middle of a Youkon winter and being stuck in dealer parking lot for three days because a sensor wire on the DEF system is faulty following the previous derate and a seven week lead time on emissions system parts at the dealer requiring buying parts out of warrantee on ebay to get running. I feel ya.
Engines don't fry when the DPF is clogged. The DPF is cleaned with a chemical solution. I know because I had mine cleaned on my 2015 LML after the sensor failed. It was at the 85K mile mark. The cost was about $600.00.
@@GTOGregory Google it. I saw a video where one clogged and the DEF was sprayed in there until the engine cpuld not expel exhaust. It smoked white and shut off. Dude was lucky as his engine (Chevy/Duramax) was undamaged, but he needed an entirely new exhaust system. He has it in a video on YT somewhere. Watch it if you can find it.
@@GuretoSefirosu Nope. I'm not going to Google it. That's your job. You're making the claim. I understand someone chokes on Jello and dies each year. People still eat Jello and there are no Jello health warnings. One occurrence of a poorly maintained vehicle doesn't mean jack.
@@GTOGregory You cannot paste HTML links in YT comments. Either you're a troll without a clue about these systems (likely just a driver, not a mechanic), or you're have no clue how YT works. Either way, I literally can NOT paste a link here. You have to do the search yourself or live in ignorant bliss.
I've always thought that the focus should have been on fuel efficiency standards instead of emissions. If modern diesels were allowed to run uncorked but tuned for maximum efficiency imagine the fuel economy numbers we would be seeing these days. And it almost goes without saying that if you're burning far less fuel your emissions output would be much lower as well. The fuel economy numbers on modern diesel pickups are pretty terrible and we've actually gone backwards in most cases. I salute Banks for doing what they have to do to stay in business and push the tech development envelope with their products. That being said, the folks that I know with deleted trucks have seen substantial fuel economy increases and overall reliability improvements.
Erik,s explanation sounds like it’s coming from a very accomplished teacher. Give this guy a raise, and keep him around. Coming from a service engineer who taught 30 years.
Seems like the apple doesn't fall far from the Banks tree. Erik takes after Gale very much so.
Great video. Although DPF and SCR technology has came such a long way producing less emissions and record power/tq, when they need replaced, parts availability and costs are crushing. Trucks sitting for extended periods at dealers waiting for parts can really put a business owner who relies on it for a living in a real bad spot. Thats when the systems are removed- wait to follow the rules or put food on the table and keep the business open. Banks understands diesels better than anyone but when this emissions technology fails , the consumer is left to wait and pay up or remove it. The government is the king of "Do as I say not as I do". The blatant disregard of EPA rules by military vehicles, ships, planes etc etc. makes me scratch my head. If costs to repair and maintain diesel emission systems were reasonable and readily available when repairs are needed, I believe there would be far less deleted late model trucks out there.
Mike, well said, I was gonna chime in and say the same thing. Banks builds all of these deleted diesels for the military if they are so reliable why does the military not just leave them on and use them………… weird how long these older diesels lasted with out all of that emissions stuff.
for sure, with a personal truck i didn't mind deleteing it and playing with some extra power as fun. for a work truck the emissons systems are still too unreliable, and we've switched to gas for that reason.
@@adampetten1009 gas is great for light duty trucks, pickups and such, but for those of us who drive tractor trailers... good luck finding a gasoline kenworth, hahaha!
god i remember the first time i had a DPF sensor go out while on the road, it completely stopped that shipment dead, costed the company i work for a lot of money, and the cargo went bad (perishable foodstuffs, and no other fleet vehicle close enough) - and people wonder why groceries are getting more expensive!
meanwhile, the dumbfuck in charge of this godforsaken country wants to introduce more fuel taxes. mhm. thatll save the planet.
@@adampetten1009 I think is more on the side as mechanic service not knowing, not being able to do proper repair/maintenance, and lack of correct choosing of vehicles... I get makers ahve not fitted 0 maintenance, easy serviceable and cheap to repair thing together...but most of the time is more of a untrustful bussiness test... cleaning dpf, intake, egr... it's not rocket science, having to wait for something to go broken on spectacularly smell or smoke and then ask for a ramson to repair your working vehicle... auto makers should be clear on what maintenance schedules emission systems need, and they don't, because it depend on the use you make, and you may discover its product is not the best suited for you "captive" client... asking for an engineer to avaluate your necessities and targets in costs etc. it would make a difference with so much diverse options, electric, hybrid, diesel scr, petrol... most of the time is just drivers and routes who keep polluting, destroying parts...it can be a signal that something can be done better...don't blame new-tech and follow blindly mechanics because my bussiness is mine nor the mechanic's.
The climate cult is pushing their religion into every aspects of our lives. Excessive and expensive car emission systems, light bulbs, war on big oil as if there’s a viable replacement energy even ready yet, even the treated lumber we buy to build with had the EPA stick their nose in it and ban the chemicals that actually work at preventing rot decades ago so good luck getting a deck in humid environments to last 10-20 years anymore. They don’t. Who pays for all of these idiots failed ideology being pushed onto society. We the people. It’s all a scam for more money and control over us.
My 2017 Superduty has 300,000 miles. Zero issues with the Egr or DPF. Been running the derringer and Amsoil for 200k miles. I’m living proof this works.
Love to hear that.
@@alphaforce6998 Not a shill at all. I have found the modern diesels want to be run hard. Excessive idling and short in town trips kill these trucks. I run a minimum 200 miles a day. I understand this isn’t normal for most owners. Unfortunately no million miles for me. New truck is almost here. Sorry to hear you are having so many problems early.
@@frankclark7039 in fact, I think idling and short trips just kill engines in general, make cool wear to be the principal and faster way of destroying machines and environment and economy... choosing engine for the actual work the vehicle is going to do is way more important than ever (but it was also before). Even if talking only money, or being fuel as cheap as USA and other petro-countries... Total cost of ownership will have in fuel one of the major cost of all, repair/maintenance depends on time/mileagge, cost of vehicle... doing some numbers before it may be very good even for having several vehicles for the total price of one... 100.000 miles of urban/short can be roughly equivalent to 750.000 miles on road...
This is why I buy the gas versions of the heavy duty trucks. The only time I buy a diesel is the older trucks.
Here in the UK delivery vans and work vans now have DPF filters. They're usually all manual transmission, so economical delivery drivers who keep a constant low rpm short stop, idle, then start journeys kill DPF filters. A mechanic friend told me if they get a new van with trouble first thing to do is run it at 60mph in 2nd/3rd gear down the motorway, usually fixes any DPF issue. Driver never comes back again once they learn it needs to get HOT every so often to clear out all the emissions filters.
The biggest issue i have with the emissions system is that it is extremely unreliable and is consistently the cause of down time and in the trucking industry, that costs you more than the repair itself generally
On top of that, the fact it can shut your shit down on a road trip and leave you stranded is horse shit. I less bothered by power and efficiency and more bothered by faults and sensors failing which is A LOT. They still cant figure out a reliable system. Deleting for better MPG and reliability is all that matters to me. Dont care for power gains really
Forced regens are glorious. Nothing like damn near redlining the engine for an hour on the side of the road just so you can hopefully continue your freight run.
The EGR alone robs you of no less than10% fuel economy, ask anyone with EGR blocked off or deleted.
@@hurst814don't forget guys that get a new company truck and don't know to park with their trailer on the opposite side of the exhaust, and end up setting their trailer and truck on fire.
Not only that, those systems DESTROY your engine very quickly also. You'll get WAY less miles out of a modern diesel before it's junk.
Really informative and well produced video. Eric is excellent!
DEF vs. EGR use is the tightrope manufacturers have to walk while meeting emissions targets. Heavy EGR use to lower NOx creates more soot which taxes the DPF. Lighter EGR use runs hotter and cleaner soot wise, but requires more DEF to deal with the resulting NOX increase while meeting emissions targets. Less EGR is generally good for the DPF and overall emissions system reliability.
It is reported by owners that GM's new 3 liter I6 diesel uses quite a bit of DEF. I wager GM is running lower levels of EGR in that engine, and the EGR it does run is filtered through the closely mounted DPF first. Recently saw a teardown video of the new 3.0 on the "I do Cars" YT channel, the engine was quite clean inside, looking more like a gas engine and not looking like a 145K mile diesel at all. Alas, that particular engine got chewed up as the idiot owner didn't keep oil in it and the pressure fed cam chain tensioners lost the plot, as did the main bearings if memory serves.
Though much maligned for it's belt driven oil pump, GM's 3.0 I6 diesel is a cool engine, and the apparently by design increased DEF use is worth it. The belt looked fine in the UA-camr's teardown video by the way. GM's problematic by the 150K mile mark torque converter will probably need replacing anyway, the belt is easy to service at that point 😆
Excellent video guys! One of the easiest to follow and most comprehensive videos on diesel emissions I’ve seen!
Glad you liked it!
Excellent video! My personal goal is to buy a taken care of pre emissions diesel truck and never have to worry about emissions checks and the issues that come with emissions equipment. Honestly if manufacturers would just warranty emissions equipment my faith would be restored. I wasn’t able to enjoy any road trips with my DPF equipped truck because I couldn’t stop thinking about it failing in the middle of nowhere and being stranded because a particulate sensor went out.
Makes me appreciate my 7.3 all the more.
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Tell me more about this power pack? I'm thinking about upgrading my 7.3 for it's 300,000 mi birthday 300k all stock runs like a top
Love mine about to hit 300k
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In all seriousness thank you for explaining all of this. I have asked 3 performance shops and 2 EPA agents how all of this garbage helps the environment. You are the only people who’ve been able to speak to it intelligently so THANK YOU!
thanks for video, gave a really great explanation about the system.. some old timers complain about all the new emission standards but I remember a time when you didn't want to be driving behind a big rig or sitting beside them on the road because of all the pollution coming out of their exhaust..and the truck stops were like a bad industrial park
Your still breathing in the chemicals just can't see or smell them as much anymore. Also I remember the 90's very well when no trucks had these and it all seemed the same as now to me.
Thank you for the detailed information in non-technical jargon. I have had my Derringer tuner on my 2017 ecoDiesel from almost day 1, and it is amazing. I wish Banks made a oil catch can for it, because I know you would make sure that it didn't set any cades and include everything necessary before selling it.
Congratulations to Eric for his outstanding presentation on DOF, DOC, and SCR in the field of chemical and mechanical engineering! It’s impressive to deliver such a comprehensive overview you have earned your PhD. Eric’s expertise and excellent delivery certainly deserve applause. Well done, Eric! Now, I can’t wait to order ALL Banks products for my 2020 Ram 3500 just need to wait for warranty to end.
Should delete that garbage instead
@@drunkpolack7612go to jail polluter
Sounded more the Fauci talking about "germ theory".
Coming from a chemE it was a good presentation. He can paint a beautiful picture for the dumbest person in the room. This video is Banks passing the red-faced test to customers & the epa for many of their products.
@@DizzKidz
Your comment is somewhat vague. Who is the ChemE, You or Eric ?
( I think Eric ) Who are you calling the 'dumbest person in the room' ? Yourself, the Viewers, Me, Eric or Gale ? If you think it is a 'beautiful picture' and not factual, please paint for us 'Your Picture' with 'scientific facts' please.
I am fairly familiar with these systems and found Eric's explaination to be very thorough & correct. Without expecting people to be ChemE's or even Chem Lab Techs, Eric made it quite easy for anybody, including 'THE DUMBEST PERSON' in the room, to understand the entire diesel exhaust pollution control system. In fact, this is the best and most complete explaination I have seen anywhere. To get any better you would have to sit down with a Tech Manual or a Diesel Pollution System textbook /online course. I liked it so well and found it to be so enlightening I even viewed twice !
So, grab your paint and brush and PAINT YOUR PICTURE for us !
Regards the 'red faced test', I don't think the EPA accepts a verbal explaination over test results. The test data has to confirm the modifications or it will not get approved. Period, end of story.
Most of us here are willing to learn good & updated info. That is why we are here. Looking forward to your informative / educational input ! Thank You.
Super educational video and very well scripted, explained, presented, filmed and edited. The whole team deserves a pat on the back, well done!
Thank you
Seriously, this is top notch stuff.
Just wanted to say I'm loving this series. You guys are breaking information down to clear, easy to understand bits that are explained clearly for people of every level of knowledge to understand without being boring or condescending. Great job, and I look forward to the next installment!
Ok, so they build 30 new factories in China with no regulation on emissions to make a bunch of new parts out of more materials that have to be mined, processed and shipped to those factories to be put into "American made" vehicles and then load those parts onto a huge ship, that puts out more emissions than 300 diesel pickups, to haul it half way around the world and then in order for the parts to effectively reduce emissions the truck owner has to spend extra money on more chemicals that are consumed by the vehicle that have to be produced in an emissions emitting factory with whose ingredients which are hauled there with a diesel engine and those chemicals are made of urea which is the primary nitrogen component in fertilizer, which causes higher demand and drives fertilizer prices higher which increases the cost of food production and thus makes everyone on the planet have to pay more for food. The overall emissions have not been reduced. the cost on everything you buy has simply been increased.
I enjoy these videos with Erik just as much as the videos with Gale. His knowledge and dedication to true innovation in the industry is on track to rival his grandfather's some day!
Fantastic video! I've always wondered why the #1 guy in trucks (Gale Banks) is trying to work with the emissions systems instead of fighting them. Sure, money talks, but with as educated as he is on the subject, he has to know something we don't. Please keep these videos coming!
He knows money in the pocket and not being targeted by government grey men is a fair deal compared to an early eternal rest or prison.
Seems like I get smarter every time I watch a banks video thanks for sharing.
I'm glad you all find a happy medium between the nitty gritty technical stuff for nerds like me and entertainment for the casual enthusiast. Also, thank you for not ignoring the purpose and importance of emissions equipment, however inconvenient to some.
I had an 08 Cummins with the G56. I bought it from an old timer with 35000 miles on it. On the way home, I drove about 200 miles and got 13 mpg. I had the stuff to delete it there already and got to work. With the tune, I would consistently get 18-19 unloaded and about 14 or 15 loaded down. Now, the tune helped but every once in a while I would go to stock tune with the deletes and my boost would be super low and my EGTs would be really high. I’m guessing it had to run hot to burn the crap off.
All that to say, the truck ran better and got better fuel economy. I would 100% recommend it. If nothing else, the EGR is gross. When you take it off, you see all the junk in the air horn.
Wow, this video is amazing. It held my attention easily and answered all the questions I had on the regen system. Well done!
Glad it was helpful!
As the new owner of a diesel truck, I really appreciated this video. I was never planned to delete the emissions system (I like breathing too) - I'm more interested in longevity and reliabilty.
YES also am a new Diesel pickup owner. Had GAS engine trucks since 1979. My new Duramax Allison. I never want to add anything to this engine. I watch experts on transmissions talk about if you make more power on the engine you also need to address the transmission. I watch experts Transmission videos on U-Tube as he talks through the take down showing what went wrong with a power boost to Engine only. These experts on transmission show the different parts they add to transmission the beef them up for power surge on Diesel Engine. I also own a 8V-71 Detroit Diesel plus a 353 Detroit on two pieces of restoration equipment that I own. YES I'm leaving my Duramax as is.
Lol 😂 yeah you’re really saving the environment you clown.
If you want longevity and reliability, you have 2 options: either delete all of that useless shit off of it, or buy a pre-emissions truck. That is LITERALLY the only way💯💯💯...I understand what gale banks is saying, but I've lost a lot of respect for the man because of his push FOR these systems that destroy these trucks. I've had 3 new trucks with emissions on them, and not a single one of them made it past 170k without needing 10k worth of emission system related work to make them usable again, which I guess is ok if you fully understand that you will never have to replace that system on that particular truck ever again, due to the engine eating its own ash and scoring the cylinder walls so bad that a rebuild is necessary at 300k💯💯💯...as much as I hate to say it, I don't know one person who has these trucks that DONT delete the entire system, and if there's one thing that seems to be becoming the norm everywhere, none of these people use anything Banks-related in any way. He has alienated his people with the sheer amount of lies about "reliable emissions systems with a tune makes more horsepower".....that's 100% grade A bullshit. You will never see an emissions compliant truck with a tune go head-to-head with one that isn't, and if you do, that emissions choked chunk of plastic and steel ain't gonna fare well at all💯💯💯💯💯
@@shellow3aight tinfoil man. Try not to choke on all those 💯 emojis
@@brotherloops I love you😍😍😘😘😊😊
What an excellent video! Eric is well versed and perfect for these explanations. I absolutely love what you guys are doing, I'm hooked! Please keep the great info coming I cant wait to learn something new that I can apply to my truck.
Great explanation of these systems. I remember when they first started installing them in diesel trucks. The shops were overloaded with them due to emissions related breakdowns. I like the idea of more power, but not at the costs of repairs for these things. I have lots of friends who have had them and have the horror stories to go with them. I’m glad to hear that the manufacturers have gotten that under control. That was a good comparison with the gas vehicles and catalytic converters. It was a bad time for automobiles. I’ve been hanging onto my old (1996) Suburban diesel for over 20 years, and it looks like I will keep on trucking with it for the foreseeable future. Thank you for such a great, well thought out video!
Hey Guys what an excellent breakdown, we are over in the UK, our own diesel trucks are used for short runs so we drop the oil every 3000 miles, always use Shell premium and change filters regularly....never had an issue, no dpf clogging, no smoke and completely standard tune.
As a person that loves power and also loves this planet I found this very refreshing. Well done!!!!!
My truck is a 2018 Ford F350 XLT cc lb drw...I have installed several Banks products: Ram air intake, 5" Monster exhaust, Derrringer set @ power level 3, Pedal Monster @ city level 10...Before Banks items my regens were happening around the 325 to 380 miles & soot levels 90% to 100% with no passive regens...after Banks items installed regens occur regularly at 497 miles & soot levels run 50% to 70% with many passive regens...also my mileage has gone from 16.2 to 16.7...I monitor things with your idash Super Gauge & idash Data Monster
Why not just delete it bud?
@@drunkpolack7612 Because, 1) it's illegal, 2) it's not necessary. If your engine is in good condition and the aftertreatment system is in good condition, and you don't have a bunch of shit parts and a shit tune to go with those parts, then you won't have major issues with your aftertreatment system. Will the DPF last forever? NO. It's not designed to last forever. Is your air filter, oil filter, cabin air filter or crankcase ventilation filter designed to last forever? NO. Do people change those at some designated interval? YES (except the idiots I suppose). A DPF is a FILTER (it's in the name, duh) and will at some point need to be changed. Thank fully, unlike any other filter in your truck, it can partially clean itself by running a regen. If it didn't do that, it'd plug up even faster and you'd be changing the DPF more frequently.
Hey, I get it. When these systems first hit the market, they weren't very good and very problematic. That's why deletes were born. But, the sftertreatment systems have gotten a lot better since '07 and are pretty reliable (unless you start adding those shit parts and shit tunes I mentioned) and deleting them is not necessary, even if it WASN'T illegal.
It's amazing how well this system works... when in the trash...
My first good diesel truck was stock and I contacted Gale Banks Engineering about how to do something to help the fuel mileage and performance meaning torque for towing REALLY heavy loads they talked with me anytime I wanted and finally my changes were made very few actually and the thing doubled in mileage and torque. It was over the warranty and had RIDICULOUS TORQUE AND FUEL MILEAGE and I can't say enough for their help ! And no charge for telling me what's best for that particular truck ! When my new truck warranty is up I'll be doing this ay with their direction of course !!!! We're talking EXPERTS. THANKS GUYS
Only illegal to modify for a shop to do so. You doing it at home does not violate any laws. If you live in a rural area where you don't need a smog check to get tags you'll never need the def or egr system. Im usually against tuning but with newer vehicles relying on these systems you will notice a dip in fuel economy until you tune it. This is why I'll never buy a post emissions diesel. Newest I would buy is 06-07 maybe but that depends. And for those wondering why uria sounds familiar, it's because it's basically piss. Chemically it's the same thing...
Well done Eric , excellent presentation , the apple didn’t fall far from the tree 👌Gale should be proud
Cheers Chris
Thanks for the compliment, we'll let Erik know.
I’m retired from the company that invented and makes the substrates for DPFs. It is pretty amazing technology and it was a challenge getting a low-cost manufacturing process to plug every other channel in the substrate.
So your the reason there’s 250,00 miles taken off a Diesel life
Tldr you are a con artist. It is not impressive tech, it is a scam!
@dang5553 no government is, this guy is just an expensive solution to another government generated problem. Always choose small government! You cannot trust them ever! Joe biden has been receiving his paycheck from foreign government for 50 years and man made climate change is bogus government created BS
Thank you for creating a nightmare
@@dang5553 And that is based on what data?
So if Banks makes better power and it's actually possible to do that, why doesn't it come that way from the factory? surely the engineers there have more data and resources than banks? Can you cover that question some time
Because money.
Are you going to spend 20k extra on your new vehicle?
You just said the magic words ! The few active regen your truck engine sees the longer it last ! So delete your engine,you’ll have cleaner oil better diesel mileage,
All real good info. I had 2012 ford 350 diesel that went from 18 mpg stock to 24 mpg with the Def system deleted and the Edge chip only set at 50hp. The system not only increased hp and fuel economy but we tested emissions before and after the delete and although there was a slite increase from the delete it was very little. The truck ran better and more efficiently by removing all the excess.
We're not doing it for horsepower! It's for longevity and reliability! I run a EFI tow tune and tranny tune. Hauling RV's. Much cheaper to delete than repair. Haven't seen a 500+k miles that wasn't deleted.
Because you haven't does that mean there aren't? What about the health of all the people you have exposed to the particulates and NOx?
@@TheEsseboy They don't care, it's purely selfishness.
You're right, we don't care. So stop crying.
Wonder if you'd use the same logic if someone pulled up to your yard and dumped a whole truck of sewage in it and said "don't care about what you think"
@@ZealothPL What a foolish comparison
All good stuff, but, I've had nothing but service engine lights from my totally stock 2017 superduty truck due to the DPF. After the 4th time at the dealer, and having the check engine light come on again on my drive home with the threat to limit speed to 80km's/hr I cut the stupid thing out and got a delete tune. My fuel mileage has gone up 100km's per tank, and I have another 200 hp. Massive HP/Torque increase over stock. I never even floor it anymore. 3/4 throttle and I'm gone.
Cool technology, it’s a shame the epa mandated the 250 mile limp mode fault. Unfortunately that’s not practical for my use, I ended up deleting after being stranded.
Unless you have emmisons testing there is absolutely no reason you shouldn’t delete
@@Jonathan_Doe_mmmmmmm diesel fuel smell good
@@Jonathan_Doe_ what a bitch ass comment 😂
@@Jonathan_Doe_ lol your a girl... Have you ever had a cigarette had a beer had too much candy eating a burger... Driven too fast forgot to put on your seatbelt etc life is full of hazards... I doubt diesel smoke is the worst thing I will run into... Delete it! Fack the epa
@@drunkpolack7612it's a felony to delete.
I'm trying to learn all I can before ordering my first diesel soon...this is exactly the primer I needed. Thanx!
Just ensure you get the exhaust nice and hot every so often. Long journey on highway, use 3rd for a good few minutes to clear out the exhaust filters.
@@jwalker7567going to have to try that...I just picked up a 2024 F350 last week that started at 40% DPF fill and is now at 65% after about 200 miles. Most of the 200 was on the highway, but going 70mph I was only taching about 1100 so I know it wasn't doing me any good. I'll give a shot at limiting the gear so rpms climb and see if that lowers my DPF fill number. I'll be towing a 15k lb 5th wheel soon so that will help. Thanx for the tip.
This is a great explanation of how diesel emissions systems work, and also further reinforces my belief in not buying new vehicles. More complexity=less reliability.
But you guys kick some serious ass! The level of engineering you put into your products is outstanding.
You can use "Big Iron Bar" to clean out clogged dpf filters. It also works great on catalytic converters and stock Harley Davidson mufflers. Just a few strokes of Big Iron Bar will fix most exhaust problems.
good one.
I use the BIB on cats after index marking the converter-pipe joint with three parallel scribe marks so I can correctly replace it before welding. HD mufflers are easy of course. I backed mine up with wood then used a hydraulic press to shear the welch plug from the baffle center.
I want to see Banks doing some work with Speed of Air Technologies and Dynomite Diesel. I think that trio could make an insanely efficient engine, with the SOA pistons, Dynomite's clean and efficient injectors, and of course Banks' tuning and airflow knowledge.
That would be great to see, considering Speed Of Air put a set of their pistons into a transit bus engine around Tahoe with a 7.2 Cat engine seven years ago, and until now the bus hasn’t regenerated once. So hopefully their pistons are burning the fuel clean enough that people could theoretically buy even less DEF.
Exactly. Plus all of their testing with CAT off road haul trucks, the pistons more than doubled the oil intervals and had more than double the lifespan of the standard motor. If we can clean the burn at the source and remove the after treatment, everyone will be happier. The EPA will have the standards met, the end user gets more efficiency and durability, and the enthusiasts get the good sounds and increase of power.
Great job on the video and keep up the brilliant work, i am very proud to rock Banks on all of my diesels
Knowing the facts is the only way to get the most out of anything. I was against any diesel tunes that rolled coal when I had my TDi, if only because I wanted to enjoy driving my car without the constant smell of unburnt fuel and smoking out other people on the road. Turbo diesels are great and durable powerplants, and more information like this and better tunes will keep them on the road longer and available as engine options in new cars.
Fascinating indeed. I’m just worried about the ash formation in the DPF.
Great video with excellent information! One thing to keep in mind though is that service trucks generally have wayyy higher idle times than normal. While these emission systems continue to improve, these exhaust systems are EXTREMELY expensive to repair/replace. My company has lost almost $500k so far just this year in truck downtime (not counting the cost to repair is like $3-4k per repair) due to backordered parts to fix the exhaust systems when they break...and they seem to break way more often than they should.
Very informative and easy to understand, thanks for the video.
Glad it was helpful!
I don't even own a diesel but find this information fascinating and understandable.
A very good video on Diesel emissions. I learned a ton! The take-away, avoid crappy tunes.
Love Banks stuff wish you made it for my Kubota tractor the intake is right over the radiator.
I hear they work pretty well in the junkyard as well
Makes me appreciate my 5.9 old Cummins
Fastest lap EVER at Mosport a 2.5 mile road track that opened 60yrs ago was by an Audi diesel Lemans car
No smoke
Not loud exhaust
Just tons of torque
Smoke and noise DO Not equal power!
End of Story!!
Great educational videos
Epic vid brother 👌 From my experience a Turbocharger is the biggest culprit for dumping oil in the exhaust system and No1 cause for engine runaway
I'm 66 years old and I've got an '04 LB7 that just turned 512,000 miles. It doesn't have any of that stuff and it still runs great. I'm hoping that given proper care it'll outlast me.
You never replaced the injectors?
It's got EGR.
@@garysarratt1 Sorry I just saw your comment, but yeah, injectors have been replaced 4 times to the best of my knowledge.
@@BenKlassen1 I've been told that because my truck is non California it does not have EGR.
@@williamjones4483 Better check again. My dad's '03 LBZ has EGR and he's not in Commiefornia.
Remember kids, the government doesnt have to have Emissions components. Brand new military issue 6.7 fords come with no DPF and no DEF
They look like a really bad restriction. All I know is that the dodge trucks that were in our fleet had more engine problems and spent more time in the service center than they did on the road all because of those. They created more engines problems and threw more codes than they were worth. I’m speaking of truck with less than 50,000 miles on them. We’ve had the issues start with as little as 3000 miles.
@@tysondehnhoff7561 I pulled my system completely off after having replaced it twice. Each time it was pulled off the intercooler, intercooler pipes and intake were all caked in a black sludge. My fuel economy was about 13-14mpg on the highway and in regen it dropped to about 6-7 mpg. After removing it and completely flushing the system out, cleaning everything back up again my fuel economy on the highway was 20-21 mpg at 75 mph and about 24 mpg at 55-60 mph. The truck runs so much better with more power, my oil changes have been cleaner and I’m burning less fuel for the same distance so it cheaper on my wallet. I haven’t had a single issue since it’s been removed and I use to pull heavy loads in/on a gooseneck trailer. For those that’s would say it wasn’t serviced properly, the engine oil was changed every 3-4 thousand miles, the transmission is serviced once a year and the fuel filters are changed with every oil change.
@@P-J-W-777 The only issue with removing the emissions are poor tuners. Unless my trucks are pulling hard you wont see any smoke out of them.
@@zimmyflip Fortunately for my personal I have one of the last great tuners and it’s capable of either a clean tune while still adding 75 horsepower or up to 375 horsepower with smoke. Spartan in my experience had the tuning down for the Fords. Unfortunately they are no longer around because it was either pay us a ton of money and comply or pay us even more and your gonna be permanently shut down. Just more government interference but what’s new as it has become all to common place these days.
I'm a truck driver. Emissions are the biggest downfall and biggest expense and it is about to get worse with 2 def tanks. I'm glad I have pre emissions truck and I never getting rid of it.
Very precise demonstration.
Very nicely explained.
Fantastic workshop.
Keep it up.
Basically the engine is eating its own shit. Sounds pretty healthy...And when the emissions goes out, (which it will) it's thousands & thousands of dollars that the manufacturer isn't paying for. But yet you have to have it??? Makes total sense?
It sucks, however, because there is an emissions standard in place, it's the best we have to work with. Not all hope is lost. There are manufactures that are experimenting with fuels and tech that would eliminate the need for emissions hardware. When will be come available? Not soon enough.
@bankspower you guys are great! It's just frustrating that the EPA has free reign of everything with no one evaluating them. They just make new bullshit rules every year. With no regard for the common man wanting to buy a new truck. This is part of the reason these new trucks cost as much as an early 2000's Lamborghini it's ridiculous. But keep up the videos!
The EPA recently decided to look at data showing how CO2 is worse than NOX emissions from diesels. Too bad diesels produce more CO2 because the EGR reduces engine efficiency and lifecycle use. Nice job EPA, you ignored all the case studies that pointed out exactly that and screwed most diesel owners and manufacturers alike.
From what I've seen most people don't have dpf issues nearly as often as the scr system. If we did away with the egr and allowed engines to not choke on their own exhaust, we could improve efficiency, reduce pm, and regen far less frequently prolonging dpf life for hundreds of thousands of miles.
On a side note, the ash that exits the dpf during regens is generally in the category of very small pm which stays in the atmosphere longer and has worse long term health risks. A properly tuned modern diesel with no emissions produces less CO2 while lasting longer at the expense of NOX emissions (which factoring in all diesel engines in existence produce less NOX than lightning does). Modern emissions have been improved with better air flow characteristics, improved injection cycles and pressure, but have been hamstrung by government mandates that have done more harm than good.
We are in the right direction with this, Nox to CO2 is 265:1 effect on greenhouse. Honestly this is still a bandaid, next gen tech is going to be crazy efficient.
NOX isn't an issue in terms of green house effect...it is its effect on human lungs, plants and other ogranisms.
@@TheEsseboyfunny how those problems never actually happened on old diesels
@@mainframehacker It was, just not talked about as big oil and big car manufacturers paid people to stay quiet.
@@TheEsseboy Give me a break, nobody on this was paid to stay quiet. Because nobody cared
Excellent video, the amount of misinformation about DPF/DEF is absolutely staggering, and the advertising part isn't too intrusive to me
Great video and company.
That said the level of complexity and maintenance costs are beyond ridiculous for many of these diesel trucks.
The pursuit of emission control has pushed The technology to be more efficient and therefore more powerful as stated but the bizarre systems and components required to make the emissions less deadly makes it a nightmare for everybody.
There's got to be a better way.
When it comes I'm sure banks will be right there to support it and make it better.
That was an awesome video. I learned a lot I was thinking about deleting my 2014 Duramax but now maybe not thanks great video I had to check out that Turner
If companies would just tell us that the vehicle is in regeneration mode than we may feel a little better about them. I feel like they are trying to have your truck break down so you have to take it in to get costly maintenance. That’s the quickest way to lose customers!
Great video and super informative but unfortunately I doubt the coal rollers will take your advice or even care. Owning multiple TDI's has proven to me you can have a clean exhaust even without a DPF and a tune.
you can run decent tunes with the dpf the dpf actually likes a spicy tune as keeping it nice and hot keeps it from having to regen it just does not like the lazy sooty tunes
Wow surprised they didn’t mention a sealed oil catch can that’s connected to the turbo intake 😮
That's how its supposed to work you regard
Great video. Sadly, I bought my Land Rover RRS diesel three years ago, and after a DPF "full" warning (which wouldn't allow a forced regen, but I figured out how to do it, and save $6,000) then a DEF pump and injector check engine light (kept the vehicle off the road for a month while JLR figured it was a software bug they'd never seen before) and finally an EGR fault ($2,000 to replace, but I passed), I traded the otherwise awesome vehicle (during a stint when the EGR wasn't acting up and the CEL was off) for a gasoline version. It used to be diesels were the hot setup for durability and economy, but no more.
Wow. I never knew how advanced and brilliant this engineering is. Fantastic video. I'm a better nan for this. thanks
Great video. Got a chem 101 refresher, got supporting info about the clowns rolling coal and learned what mu DPF looks like.
As always, Banks teaching as well as preaching.
DPF,
greenies brilliant idea of creating a special filter... that requires more use of the vehicle and more fuel being burnt to clean the filter..
my old work truck had a DPF, a 2014 light truck its cost at least 10k in repairs related to the DPF.
one fun feature is, running the truck getting up to speed and having the thing go into limp mode because you touched the 80kph mark now it wants to do a burn but its worked out its been running for 5 minutes...
you could also force regen it, letting it sit at 3k rpm for 20mins
honestly, if its got a DPF id avoid it
Most people delete the truck to make it louder and more efficient you can’t get a nice sounding truck with the emissions equipment. let’s not forget that the emission systems burns fuel in the exhaust in order for the exhaust to be cleaner and burn the soot out of the dpf .therefore lowering your efficiency. In the end, there’s more pros to removing the emissions than keeping it on.
What are the negatives of me talking your money? All I see a massive benefit: I got more money! Epic!
The reason for this video is to please the EPA and so they can stay in business. yes we need emmisions controls on regular daily driven cars and trucks. BUT... Banks saying that their tuner can make more power with the emmisions connectedis slightly disengenuois.
I agree, bad stuff comes out of the diesel exhaust, Now lets see the exhaust gasses tested DURING a regen. This would answer some questions for me. I've read some states that do test emissions will not test them during a regen...
THe other thing that does a great job solving this problem... Drilling a hole right through the DPF.
I've heard zero in this about engine reliability. All you talked about was power.
Friends don't let friends run DPFs.
Because friends likes to endager other friends health? That sounds more like enemies, not friends.
@@TheEsseboy if your worried about health, tell that to china and india
@@nickl3628 China and India? Particulates don't travel all the way from there...
And are you seriously using the argument: "Look at them, they pollute the air, lets do the same!"
@@TheEsseboy particles travel that far lol. And they are #1 and #2 on the list.
We are #14 on pollution list.
We are spending money on a product that barely works but you got china and india..
And also the same people bitching about climate change fly with private jet and yachts 😂
@@nickl3628 No, they do not, particles of that size do not travel across the largest ocean on earth....
DPFs work, and they stop local pollution...stop spreading disinformation!
So you think anyone who takes climate change seriously use private jets and yachts often? Wow, didn't billions of people where that rich lol.
What grinds my gears is the government mandates them for civilians but wont put the systems on military and gov vehicles.
Sovereign citizens
Because it's a scam. Power and control in the name of the "environment."
It's because they know it hurts performance/mileage, costs lots of money, and will leave you stranded.
I always thought that the DPF was upstream, BEFORE the Selective Catalytic Reducer. It would seem the diesel particulates would foul the SCR more quickly, than exhaust that has been filtered first. The only way it makes sense to have the DPF down stream, is if the extreme heat from a regeneration cycle raises the exhaust gas temperatures high enough to damage the catalyst.
You are correct....Flow is DOC to DPF, clean exhaust is treated by DEF doser at SCR inlet. The chemical process reduces nox and is read by the inlet nox (after turbo) and the outlet nox (SCR outlet) the 2 readings decide the rate of DEF dosing.
That makes perfect sense. I might have been confusing the SCR for the DOC. I, at first, thought that DOC was just a different description of the SCR, but now, I know, that it's actually a 3rd component located upstream from the DPF.@@jebediahnightlinger6357
Active region lasting 20 minutes😂😂😂😂 mine last for days!
And it doesn’t when I’m telling heavy loads as well. Mine went into limp mode while towing a trailer over 1000 miles.
We’re Never Ever Selling our 1999 Ford F-350 Super Duty with the great 7.3 L power stroke. 4 door cab 4X4
With ONLY 55,000 ACTUAL MILES On it !!! That truck is a
GOLDEN NUGGET to keep in the family forever !!!
NO POLLUTION CRAP on her at all !!
Only possible weak spot it may have is the Automatic tranny but hey hey can be easily Bullet proofed !!
@bankspower Where we live, we don't have emission testing. We honestly don't care (Ohio). I just googled a 6.7 Powerstroke and a 6.7 Cummins delete kit from Canada shipped to my door. The average cost seems to be around $2700 with the tuner. $2700 and I never have to worry about anything after the turbo again. Now, a REMAN DPF system for a 6.7 also ranges in price across Google. Most are around $3000 for the whole system. Used are around $1500 from a junkyard all rusted. Most trucks last over 250,000 miles, normally. How many times will I have to replace anything on the aftertreatment system over the life of the truck? NOX sensors, the 7th injector, the DPF filter, DEF doser, the DEF system in general, this list goes on. It seems anything related to emissions, fails a lot sooner than anything else on the truck. That's just the physical parts. Now we get into the obnoxious price of labor to replace any faulty parts, if you don't work on your own equipment. Emissions, the EPA and the idiots "rolling coal" aside, over the life of the truck, I'm spending the $2700 upfront, deleting the DPF and I'm done. Never spending another dime on anything after the turbo. Over time, the aftertreatment systems have improved, especially on the big truck side of things but parts still fail and parts are expensive to replace after the warranty expires. This has nothing to do with "I hate the EPA" (I do but..) or "I wanna ROLL COALL!!!", this is coming from people who can't afford breakdown after breakdown and a derated truck related to the aftertreatment system. $2700 now and delete VS who knows how much $$$ over the life of the truck. This comment is also coming from an individual, not a business owner who the EPA can attack. A big difference there.....
Do private jets use dpf? 🧐
Modern jet combustors are pretty good at not making PM to begin with. But take a look at a photo of an old 707 or DC-8 on takeoff, in the old days the planes used to roll coal like the dirtiest diesels.
DPFs themselves are a great thing, it's just that so many manufacturers did an awful job implementing them, either due to lack of engineering effort or on purpose to profit off of it later down the road. The best kind of DPFs are the ones, which have one additional fuel injector in front of them. Those are extremely easy to keep clean and trouble-free basically forever as long as the software controlling it is even a bit decent. But most car manufacturers are going the inexpensive route by not including the additional injector and are rather trying to add additional fuel to heat up the DPF through the engine itself by adjusting the timing when the right driving conditions are met. These usually aren't met or the software the manufacturers tried creating isn't good enough to do proper regen and voila, we end up with issues and people go hard on believing DPFs are the worst thing ever when in reality, they're awesome. DPFs, when properly implemented, allow us to enjoy all the pros of diesel engines without any negatives and as someone who really loves diesels, I'm more than happy to have them not to be releasing a ton of soot into anyone's lungs while driving.
In the U.K. we either have a friendly MOT tester (except for bmw who fit a nice under tray for us) or we take the DPF off, hollow it out and refit it so it still passes inspection every year. EGR isn’t a problem in that respect, I’ve had quite a few performance diesels and every single time I get one I take DPF EGR and swirl flaps out and spend 2 hours cleaning the intake manifold because it’s caked in carbon. I’m talking a good 50/60% reduction of diameter on some 50k miles engines. They run like a dream afterwards, gov can say what it wants but until it starts paying for the reliability sacrifices eg parts that need to be replaced I’ll be doing the same thing every time.
Banks should engineer a PVC catch can to keep the oil out of the intake so it doesn't get burned. Catch cans for turbos are not simple like on a naturally aspirated engine. Gale needs to engi ner a catch can for all diesel trucks and the Ford F150 ECO boost.
Diesel is an oil!
@@garybulwinkle82 Yes but diesel fuel doesn't have Zinc and other minerals in it like engine oil. In the video he said in particular that oil from the PCV system will eventually ruin the DPF because of the Zinc in the engine oil. Also the oil from the PCV system ends up coating the back side of the intake valves with some nasty stuff.
The problem I’ve have is that DEF freezes at 10 degrees F I’ve been stuck on the side of a road for hours because of a emissions system if you live where it gets below 0 regularly you should delete the emissions
And get fined to death.
And can catch fire
EPA: You cannot delete emissions on your diesel for better power and fuel mileage.
Also EPA: Hey lets let all these hazardous chemicals leak in local water sources for days and then set it on fire and let it go into the atmosphere
Love the product reviews, but the upgrades on your truck was awesome!
If you could find a way to pull of both, I would be absolutely glued to your channel (even though I practically are already 😂)
Fantastic video and explanation/discussion of how things work.
step 1: cut DPF using a grinder from main exhaust
step 2: cut open the DPF, preferably a horizontal cut along the side of DPF
step 3: GUT IT ALL OUT
step 4: weld it shut
Step 5: weld back onto the exhaust system
Step 6: delete the DPF from the ECU with a quick remap.
:)
Step 7 Cry when your locality adopts emission testing.
You missed the “weld in straight pipe inside dpf housing step”. And this is only if you’re worried about getting caught
@@snap-off5383until then, everyone else is crying 😢
Cut the DPF out and tune it... I don't care about regulations. Come and get me
'How does the dpf work' dunno i removed it
Love u for that comment 😂
DPF is still a band aid. Just like air pumps and EGRs were in the early eighties. I expect DPF to phase out at some point. Probably from changes to fuel. My 2002 stock Duramax suits me just fine and never blows black smoke. It also starts just fine in low sub zero weather without plugging it in. That doesn't mean I don't plug it in during those cold stretches, I just prefer to give my batteries a break.
I wouldn’t delete my trucks if they would last but they don’t I’ve had 3 dpfs fail around 130-150k KM or near 100k miles. We buy these trucks for the reliability factor but the emissions systems don’t last and when they do fail they cost 15% of a new truck my last repair quote was $13,700 to replace the system when it only cost me 3k to delete it. Now deletes are legal here in Alberta Canada but manufacturers need to step up if they want to really help out. But they don’t care it’s just the bottom dollar to them. I think that if the government wants it and demands it they should force the manufacturers to do a life time warranty on them.