As a Ret main since Cata IMO Rets need more responsive abilities. They seem to do decent sustain damage in PvP but lack that chunky finishing power like a strong execute…I’ve been playing around with the hammer of wrath talent hitting for 50% increased damage on targets below 35%, and that seems to help a little… Vs a few extra judgements from divine toll talent… I just wish they would buff HOW and TV by 15-25% #MakeRetsGreatAgain
im ret main since shadowlands and i hate the current state of ret. squishy as hell templars verdict hits outside of wings for like 300k and even the gameplay idk. it feels so clunky with the animation of templars verdict,crusading strikes and the highlords judgement procs. i outdamage everyone in shuffle but you have literally zero kill pressure. On my monk i do half of the dmg (overall) but you can kill someone by yourself.Even Tigerpalm hits like 300k like wtf what is this tuning on ret ? im really hoping that the rework will make these things better.
Still Needs: -Survivability -Hammer prioritization on players vs pets -Hammer of Light should do Holystrike/Templar should play with Holystrike modifiers way more -Light's Deliverance needs a flat-out redesign. -Hammerfall needs to passively drop 2 Hammers. 3 with Shake. 5 on a crit w/ Shake.
Completely agree with this and thank you for saying it. I wouldn’t mind going further, into a complete reskin from Hammers to Swords. This is TEMPLAR Paladin after all lol
This are interesting changes, i hope they will give us some extra survivalbility next time Do you think this is gonna make templar the new main pvp build or at least compete with herald?
Templar is nice for Prot, since Hammer of Light is a nice Holy Power dump for heavy damage what Prot did not have, but when it comes to Ret, well, you spend holy power you could also just use with your usual damage skill, so you have to take that away from Hamme of Light and then there isn't really much that remains. If it would not cost holy power, that would be a different thing. At least it's only 3 not 5 as in the tooltip. And Light's Deliverance is just horrible bad. It takes WAAAAY to long and 50 won't change that. With the problem described above, it's still pretty shit, since Herald of the Sun is simply all extra.
I feel like im missing something. I main warrior but just got a ret pala to 80 yesterday. They’ve got some really good surviability from the insta heals, shields and bubble. How much more do they need exactly?
@@jamesdiato you have a 10% wall which does absolutely Nothing , shield of vengeance Breaks literally in 2 Seconds if you are targeted ( 90% of the time you are kill target as a ret) .your Heals doing nothing with dampening and a Mortal strike debuff. So the only Thing we have is bubble which is Gonna be Mass Dispelled since everyone is playing disc priest. In Pve yeah the heals are good but in PvP they dont.
@@Zluul I can see how they lack in actual burst damage but in solo blitz ive a had a few games where Im over 200 million damage. The main thing that annoys me is that ret seems to be a viable kill target in every shuffle game.
Even after all these buffs, i feel like templar is still going to feel inferior to Herald. Maybe in blitz/bgs we can use templar but herald will be better at any situation
Still got no snare and no gap closers that can't be countered/dispelled and so-called biggest hit ability strikes like a wet noodle, while warlocks and hunters can hit you for 2mil+ with one ability.
Srsly ? The hardest hitting warlock ability is unstable affliction DISPEL for 2-2,5m dmg, after that comes haunt for up to 1,2m crit Chaosbolt my max in all arenas was 1,4m ???
Zero surv improvement. Zero!!! Doesn’t matter if ur gona spam a bigger hammer if ur going to insta die ur not gona do dmg but for pve this is rly nice maybe we’ll see some Templar resurrection again…
Buffs but is it just me or are these very minor? Compared to other classes this still feels weird. I would love to see Herald to do alot of self healing and being mediocre damage wise and then Templar to do 3 mil on their single target Hammer the same way that Hunters have 3-5 mil aimed shots. Other classes still feel like they hit like trucks while having insanely good defensives compared to pally.
we would get buffed when im banned lmao but templar finally has hope but i dont like the thought of losing a slow and better healing and damage still over all
Speaking of Templar: After some testing, it seems "For Whom the Bell Tolls" doesn't appear to increase the damage of judgment... or am I missing something?
wtf is wrong with those devs? instead of this bullshit they could increase all the damage done and healing done for templar and herald by 25% or giving both of them raw damage and healing buff so people can play with both of them. their mindset is fuckedup
Why are there soo many crybabies? Have you guys even checked wow head/icy veins raid/mythic dps rankings? Ret has been sitting at A-B tier and has been in a pretty good spot. These buffs to templar(Which I had no idea was "bad" as I can solo 10 delves and do great damage in raids with Templar build) are going to make the spec even better.
these buffs are still insufficient, when you play with other classes you just realize how weaker templar is. "Light’s Deliverance now triggers at 50", wow, before it was an eternity, now it's a shorter eternity lol, meanwhile, stormbringer is critizing 2.6kk* with tempest, with high chances of triggering again, and again, with shit gear. Probably light hammer within the Final Reckoning window will crit around 1.6/1.8kk* with a cast frequency of 30s. All this without commenting on how unpleasant it is to spend holy power with a final verdict (*Damage examples are pve based.). All of these buffs could be replaced by the "bug" from a few weeks ago, when hammer of light had a 12s window for multiple casts of 5 holy power. it would strengthen single target damage, aoe with splash dmg, and would bring a more pleasurable feeling to spending holy power.
Noo, these are really solid Templar buffs. Empyrean hammers will actually do something now. Hammer of light already hits for 1.6mil when you set it up non crit. These buffs will make it actually net kills. I’m pretty excited.
As a Ret main since Cata IMO Rets need more responsive abilities. They seem to do decent sustain damage in PvP but lack that chunky finishing power like a strong execute…I’ve been playing around with the hammer of wrath talent hitting for 50% increased damage on targets below 35%, and that seems to help a little… Vs a few extra judgements from divine toll talent… I just wish they would buff HOW and TV by 15-25% #MakeRetsGreatAgain
As a Dk player that Death Coil nerf is huge in my book
I feel that I've been lied to each week about when these buffs are going into effect. IS IT CONFIRMED that these are going live Tuesday!?
Yeah these are Tuesday!
im ret main since shadowlands and i hate the current state of ret. squishy as hell templars verdict hits outside of wings for like 300k and even the gameplay idk. it feels so clunky with the animation of templars verdict,crusading strikes and the highlords judgement procs. i outdamage everyone in shuffle but you have literally zero kill pressure. On my monk i do half of the dmg (overall) but you can kill someone by yourself.Even Tigerpalm hits like 300k like wtf what is this tuning on ret ? im really hoping that the rework will make these things better.
I do have exactly the same sensation since I main ret pal and my alt is a monk so yeah I feel the same thing
When is the rework?
ret does crazy dps what are you talking about
@@austinheathman9656 its healable dps you dont have mortal strike and no burst you dont have kill Pressure.
Still Needs:
-Survivability
-Hammer prioritization on players vs pets
-Hammer of Light should do Holystrike/Templar should play with Holystrike modifiers way more
-Light's Deliverance needs a flat-out redesign.
-Hammerfall needs to passively drop 2 Hammers. 3 with Shake. 5 on a crit w/ Shake.
Completely agree with this and thank you for saying it.
I wouldn’t mind going further, into a complete reskin from Hammers to Swords.
This is TEMPLAR Paladin after all lol
The heal that takes 3 holy power (I forget the name) should also not consume mana. Or at least consume less
@@dtbfit2836 it should be an optional seal or smth, not something obligatory, i like variety.
I agree with all of the above here. Happy to see great Ret minds think alike
Oh and take bubble off gcd..
This are interesting changes, i hope they will give us some extra survivalbility next time
Do you think this is gonna make templar the new main pvp build or at least compete with herald?
Hammer Time Tuesday!
I’m curious to see what you think the optimal build will be for different types of PvP. What build do you recommend for 2s? 3s? Rbgs? Shuffle? Blitz?
Templar is nice for Prot, since Hammer of Light is a nice Holy Power dump for heavy damage what Prot did not have, but when it comes to Ret, well, you spend holy power you could also just use with your usual damage skill, so you have to take that away from Hamme of Light and then there isn't really much that remains.
If it would not cost holy power, that would be a different thing. At least it's only 3 not 5 as in the tooltip.
And Light's Deliverance is just horrible bad. It takes WAAAAY to long and 50 won't change that. With the problem described above, it's still pretty shit, since Herald of the Sun is simply all extra.
Could you make a video showing how you do your tests? I would love to learn how to gauge talents and stuff on my own as well.
Pls share your build when you test templer next week
I feel like im missing something. I main warrior but just got a ret pala to 80 yesterday. They’ve got some really good surviability from the insta heals, shields and bubble. How much more do they need exactly?
@@jamesdiato you have a 10% wall which does absolutely Nothing , shield of vengeance Breaks literally in 2 Seconds if you are targeted ( 90% of the time you are kill target as a ret) .your Heals doing nothing with dampening and a Mortal strike debuff. So the only Thing we have is bubble which is Gonna be Mass Dispelled since everyone is playing disc priest. In Pve yeah the heals are good but in PvP they dont.
healing means you do zero damage though.
@@Zluul I can see how they lack in actual burst damage but in solo blitz ive a had a few games where Im over 200 million damage. The main thing that annoys me is that ret seems to be a viable kill target in every shuffle game.
Even after all these buffs, i feel like templar is still going to feel inferior to Herald. Maybe in blitz/bgs we can use templar but herald will be better at any situation
not in raid ST anymore
This doesn’t fix ret’s problems at all.
whats your transmog?
Still got no snare and no gap closers that can't be countered/dispelled and so-called biggest hit ability strikes like a wet noodle, while warlocks and hunters can hit you for 2mil+ with one ability.
Srsly ? The hardest hitting warlock ability is unstable affliction DISPEL for 2-2,5m dmg, after that comes haunt for up to 1,2m crit
Chaosbolt my max in all arenas was 1,4m
???
@@chrisk1458 Even if that was the case, aff can spam a full load of dots in about 5 seconds that will then kill you 5-10 seconds later regardless.
@@Kopp203 huh? Dots are really not what kills you atm from afflock. Without shadowbolts and mr the damage is low
Herald will still be better. But may use templar against melee cleave if the buffs are good enough
What is youre tmog set? Looks really good 😊
And yea unholy dk nerf - nerf diseases so just switch to minion build 😅
Nice vid once again!❤
Zero surv improvement. Zero!!! Doesn’t matter if ur gona spam a bigger hammer if ur going to insta die ur not gona do dmg but for pve this is rly nice maybe we’ll see some Templar resurrection again…
I get wiped out in AoE during spark farms and everyone else's HP doesn't move.
There are a lot of damage nerfs to other classes right now. Ret stonks be on the riseeeeee.
@@LvladenPvP I saw that but will it be enough?
@@LvladenPvPand we will get great nerfs after November changes. Like other times
I don't think it's that bad
Buffs but is it just me or are these very minor? Compared to other classes this still feels weird. I would love to see Herald to do alot of self healing and being mediocre damage wise and then Templar to do 3 mil on their single target Hammer the same way that Hunters have 3-5 mil aimed shots.
Other classes still feel like they hit like trucks while having insanely good defensives compared to pally.
Templar is getting buffed, while simultaneously there are a large amount of nerfs to the outlier dps classes.
@@LvladenPvP That's good to hear!
Blizzard first time Nerfed what rly needed to be nerf i mean , unholy dk dots and affli lock dmg .
we would get buffed when im banned lmao but templar finally has hope but i dont like the thought of losing a slow and better healing and damage still over all
Speaking of Templar: After some testing, it seems "For Whom the Bell Tolls" doesn't appear to increase the damage of judgment... or am I missing something?
Buff Final Verdic By 20% and Hammer of Wrath by 20% also. Put Divine Protection back to 20% reduce dmg. until they do that we wont see A Tier
Whats the name of that weapon on your back. I need that in my life 😂❤
Templar feels horrible to play after weeks of playing Herald. I’m sticking with holy lasers.
wtf is wrong with those devs?
instead of this bullshit they could increase all the damage done and healing done for templar and herald by 25%
or giving both of them raw damage and healing buff so people can play with both of them.
their mindset is fuckedup
Templar is broke. No herald of the sun doesn't need the same buff templar does. Herald already does more damage and healing
They secretly hate Ret bro. U haven’t realized this? Plus they always have classes above others and swap them out. It’s an addiction cycle
We are still in The War Within beta, in case you didn't know.
wow which enchant is it in your weapon? is so fucking badass
I dont care for damage so much atm, i just want some more tankiness for a class that have bad mobility and i want our heals to actually heal some.
So right now the hammer of light at 50 stacks only effects pve not pvp
i hit a mage for 2.2mill with templar it recks
can u do a gear update plz
I might be hyped
Why are there soo many crybabies? Have you guys even checked wow head/icy veins raid/mythic dps rankings? Ret has been sitting at A-B tier and has been in a pretty good spot. These buffs to templar(Which I had no idea was "bad" as I can solo 10 delves and do great damage in raids with Templar build) are going to make the spec even better.
So unless we have a top notch healer who knows their stuff we are just going to continue to get blown up. Sheesh.
I'm at 25 haste 29 crit 38 mastery and Templar. Still sux
Retri broken as hell in m+ already and now topping ST in raids, duno what blizz is thinking lol
As long as everyone else gets nerfed, we will be good, haha..
Blizzard is scared to turn up ret too much when EVERYONE went ret and broke the game after the dragonflight rework
WHY THE FK ARE. THEY GATING HAMMORNOF LIGHT TO FINAL RECKONING?
RECKONING HAS A FKN 1 MIN CD
WHY CAN'T EXECUTION SENTENCE ALSO BE USED
Finally
these buffs are still insufficient, when you play with other classes you just realize how weaker templar is. "Light’s Deliverance now triggers at 50", wow, before it was an eternity, now it's a shorter eternity lol, meanwhile, stormbringer is critizing 2.6kk* with tempest, with high chances of triggering again, and again, with shit gear. Probably light hammer within the Final Reckoning window will crit around 1.6/1.8kk* with a cast frequency of 30s. All this without commenting on how unpleasant it is to spend holy power with a final verdict (*Damage examples are pve based.). All of these buffs could be replaced by the "bug" from a few weeks ago, when hammer of light had a 12s window for multiple casts of 5 holy power. it would strengthen single target damage, aoe with splash dmg, and would bring a more pleasurable feeling to spending holy power.
Noo, these are really solid Templar buffs. Empyrean hammers will actually do something now. Hammer of light already hits for 1.6mil when you set it up non crit. These buffs will make it actually net kills. I’m pretty excited.
LETS GOOOO. please make an update video of our best setup right now.
Ret survivability is enough compare to enh
Did they finally remove bubble from the game, most toxic ability since 2004?
Ret paly is the wackest spec in tww hands down. Not even close
Templar 🥱
Ret paly is the wackest spec in tww hands down. Not even close