Lol so fun ! Good thing for calling this out. Btw i did the maths and made a forum post about the 25% and 75% aoe to hammer of light and if you check it out, they don’t actually gave us 25% and 75%. Its more like 21% and 50% for pve AND pvp.
So did they just fuck up or is this intentional? Normally they add the phrase „does not apply in PvP combat“ to the changes in the notes. So I guess it’s just a mistake on their end that the changes are not applying in PvP?
In pve it's hitting like a truck. I'm 612 pve geared with 4 piece set bonus. I'm seeing crits of 5mill with hammer of light. If I time my LD with execution sentence to where I double hammer I can see 3.2m+ execution sentence.
@cc66bb44 in the same gear yes. After about 5 hours of testing, when I dropped a little mastery and upped my crit (22crit, 19 haste, 36 mastery) my damage then went up and put them very close to each other. In some instances even pulling ahead.
@@danielhaynes1642 look up vendatha-darkspear, that's me. I'm 615, about the same stats you mentioned and. It's just worthless. They need to lower the stacks to 30. Also, hol is supposed to function with final reckoning right?
@@cc66bb44 Templar is still not that wow as scaling is still not that good, the moment you can stack crit like crazy templar will destroy herald but that will most likely be in s2 or so
The Burst does seem stronger than before, but there is a noticeable difference in Templar survivability compared to Herald of the Sun, definitely needs some Buffs in that regard
I have a question... Can someone tell me when the last time a ret paladin was in a winning team in AWC? Blizz doesn't care about its players otherwise they'd work out a way to have different classes in the meta for different seasons... not just different specs of the same classes.
@@alexhallgren3269 It wasn't in an AWC winning team.... and it was hotfixed straight after... Didn't even last an entire patch. So... as I was saying...
@@alexhallgren3269 No, you had an agenda to complain about shamans when you made your 1st post on my comment. You got it wrong about rets winning the AWC then tried to change your argument to save face. This is a ret video, by a ret content creator, on a ret channel. If you wish to complain about enhance shamans, perhaps do it on a Guzu channel. This is your chance to end the argument, as you clearly chose the wrong target and target audience.
Countless forum threads later, on both the Paladin Class forums/in the Bug Report forums and several Twitter/X posts later, we still have no communication or answers as to what is going on. Just made another thread in the General Discussion forums. I just want communication. Is this a bug or intended? I don’t want to be left hanging for days on end.
For God sake Blizzard please please hold your word and implement all changes as promised. I mean slowly it starts to be a meme how bad this class is treated and almost not supported through the years. Feral is broken and get buffed, SP already very strong and get Omega buffed. Ret is literally maybe the weakest of all classes right now in PvP and needed buffs to to anything in competitive PvP and got like 40% of the promised changes and even that not correct. PLEASE BLIZZARD DO SOMETHING, PEOPLE ARE PAYING MONEY FOR THAT GAME. ITS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE CLASSES AT LEAST COMPAREABLE. Fix the changes so we have a future as Templer Rets at least!
LD should be 25 stacks just like DA and HoL should cost 3 holy power OR if it's going to cost 5HP, give us a buff after being used like haste or give us the old inquisition buff upon use.
Blizzard woke up and said ,, let's keep the buffs for the aniversary rework because what you can do today you can do 2 weeks later and you get 2 weeks of free time 😂
They need to bring that elite gear back. Makes no sense to lock any pvp items (outside of mounts and titles) behind seasons. At least make it to where we can reach 1800 and unlock previous season sets with marks of honor. It's an mmo. There's no esport to this game.
@@Boss-ot1iy they were going to back in Legion. They decided not to as many PvPers objected to the idea. Personally, I would want that capability since more often than not I don’t like the majority of the Set transmogs they’ve made for PvP in the last 10 years.
@LvladenPvP That's sweet. Hopefully, someone can do the math and see if Temp will out putting Harold of the Sun in Mythic +. I try to do some testing today, and it feels so much better then before. I love both specs.
@@LifeofZyoNI’m around 1.5M average dps at the end of a +9. Before with herald of the sun I was around 1.3M so I think it’s better now but that’s just my testing
bruh if any blizzard devs are watching this video, give us a glyph for divine steed where i dont have to use a mount and just get a move speed increase, or like speed of light trail. im so damn tired of getting stuck on things because of the steed part of divine steed. and dont even get me started on how many talents they're shoving down are throats that are PURELY for divine steed. like holy hell blizzard, why
I have played Templar 90% of the time and these buffs are for PvE mainly. I barely see any improvements in PvP. My biggest hammer of light hits around +150k than before in real PvP scenario which is complete trash :))
played templar the whole week before "buffs" just to see if the buffs were noticeable, well hey are not...still same issues in pvp, still same feeling of not doing any dmg while "bursting", also there r certain classes like arcane mage who can literally disintegrate you with 2 buttons while jumping, arms warrior can do 2 milion+ ms easy, 3.5 mil demolish ez. and we'r happy with a barely 1.5 mil average dmg from our strongest skill?...it never crit or almost never crit caue our crit is a total joke atm with our stats so the should've add atleast a flat +20% crit on the spell itself in my opinion...as it is like this we will see still Heralds dominating arenas as Ret...ofc its "viable" but this doesnt mean competitive....so for me its an epic fail soz about that.
50 stacks is still too high. You can't get 50 stacks within 30s when your next wake is ready. As it stands now to 50 stacks seems to come every other wake or a bit longer
yeah ret is among the best dps specs right now, but frost mage is so much better in pvp its not even funny. I play both classes and mages got nerfed on their instant cast built, but its still viable and there is now a frostfire build which is extremely fun, especially in bg. I want to know if templar build is now better for single target dps, no one seems to have covered that yet
@@profesorz642 People don't seem to understand that CC is a def AND off cooldown in one, when it goes against melee or shorter ranged classes even any soft CC like slow. So a class that can just spam soft CC is the most tanky of all by that alone, what must be part of the balacing process. It's easy to see: just look at PvE and how stronger monster simply get immune against CC and even soft CC. Why? Because it would be broken. You cold defeat any boss monster alone with ease, if you can just kite them around with slow and freeze. It's not any different in PvP.
Really appreciate you testing all of this for us.
Lol so fun ! Good thing for calling this out. Btw i did the maths and made a forum post about the 25% and 75% aoe to hammer of light and if you check it out, they don’t actually gave us 25% and 75%. Its more like 21% and 50% for pve AND pvp.
I noticed this too immediately when I saw the numbers.
@@mortalux So it's a bug. 75% is a big big deal.
So did they just fuck up or is this intentional? Normally they add the phrase „does not apply in PvP combat“ to the changes in the notes. So I guess it’s just a mistake on their end that the changes are not applying in PvP?
Hi - there was a blue post about fixing this so it is now effective in PVP as at 9th Oct
thank you for posting this!
jesus christ man, throw us a bone blizzard.
They did.
They crit.
@@sydju im confused
I did some testing and Crusading Strikes did not extend Shake the Heavens at all. That was very disappointing.
It does .5 sec extension every 2-4 hits. It’s a bit buggy but it does work.
What's the weapon illusion you are using?? Is it the pvp season elite one?
Yes called holy fire
hello,
Silly question but what is the addon you use to make a ready-to-use skill pop up at the center of your screen? Thx
In pve it's hitting like a truck. I'm 612 pve geared with 4 piece set bonus. I'm seeing crits of 5mill with hammer of light. If I time my LD with execution sentence to where I double hammer I can see 3.2m+ execution sentence.
It's doesn't matter it's still. Doing 200k to 300k less than herald
@cc66bb44 in the same gear yes. After about 5 hours of testing, when I dropped a little mastery and upped my crit (22crit, 19 haste, 36 mastery) my damage then went up and put them very close to each other. In some instances even pulling ahead.
@@danielhaynes1642 look up vendatha-darkspear, that's me.
I'm 615, about the same stats you mentioned and. It's just worthless.
They need to lower the stacks to 30.
Also, hol is supposed to function with final reckoning right?
@@cc66bb44 Templar is still not that wow as scaling is still not that good, the moment you can stack crit like crazy templar will destroy herald but that will most likely be in s2 or so
@@cc66bb44 ok so herald is still better in AOE but templar should now be better for single target and boss fight right?
Is temp or herald better for pvp?
The Burst does seem stronger than before, but there is a noticeable difference in Templar survivability compared to Herald of the Sun, definitely needs some Buffs in that regard
I have a question... Can someone tell me when the last time a ret paladin was in a winning team in AWC? Blizz doesn't care about its players otherwise they'd work out a way to have different classes in the meta for different seasons... not just different specs of the same classes.
When the rework of ret hit in df, can you tell me the last time enh has not been the worst PvP class in the game? You gussed it 9.5 years
@@alexhallgren3269 It wasn't in an AWC winning team.... and it was hotfixed straight after... Didn't even last an entire patch. So... as I was saying...
@@SilentOne-111 my point is, there is classes/specs that have it 10000x worse than ret. Let Blizzard fix that first
@@alexhallgren3269 No, you had an agenda to complain about shamans when you made your 1st post on my comment. You got it wrong about rets winning the AWC then tried to change your argument to save face. This is a ret video, by a ret content creator, on a ret channel. If you wish to complain about enhance shamans, perhaps do it on a Guzu channel. This is your chance to end the argument, as you clearly chose the wrong target and target audience.
whats the go to build for temp?
I hope with all my heart that they haven't canceled it.
Countless forum threads later, on both the Paladin Class forums/in the Bug Report forums and several Twitter/X posts later, we still have no communication or answers as to what is going on.
Just made another thread in the General Discussion forums.
I just want communication. Is this a bug or intended?
I don’t want to be left hanging for days on end.
so the miss are only in pvp?
For God sake Blizzard please please hold your word and implement all changes as promised. I mean slowly it starts to be a meme how bad this class is treated and almost not supported through the years.
Feral is broken and get buffed, SP already very strong and get Omega buffed.
Ret is literally maybe the weakest of all classes right now in PvP and needed buffs to to anything in competitive PvP and got like 40% of the promised changes and even that not correct.
PLEASE BLIZZARD DO SOMETHING, PEOPLE ARE PAYING MONEY FOR THAT GAME. ITS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE CLASSES AT LEAST COMPAREABLE.
Fix the changes so we have a future as Templer Rets at least!
LD should be 25 stacks just like DA and HoL should cost 3 holy power OR if it's going to cost 5HP, give us a buff after being used like haste or give us the old inquisition buff upon use.
Blizzard woke up and said ,, let's keep the buffs for the aniversary rework because what you can do today you can do 2 weeks later and you get 2 weeks of free time 😂
i was so excited AND NOW IM SO SAD
Sorry to say that, but you gonna be playing Herald anyway :( so Even if they fix it, Herald is my prediction
Officially fixed now in pvp 👍
Thanks for keeping us rets posted. I ran templar in m plus all day. Damage is good.
How is compared to Herald?Boss dmg and Aoe?
Whats the armor set your wearing in this video?
Warmode epic helm. Primal gladiator elite set from WoD season 1
@@LvladenPvPAún se puede conseguir?
@@fimm8917ya no puedes.
They need to bring that elite gear back. Makes no sense to lock any pvp items (outside of mounts and titles) behind seasons. At least make it to where we can reach 1800 and unlock previous season sets with marks of honor. It's an mmo. There's no esport to this game.
@@Boss-ot1iy they were going to back in Legion. They decided not to as many PvPers objected to the idea. Personally, I would want that capability since more often than not I don’t like the majority of the Set transmogs they’ve made for PvP in the last 10 years.
Ret tooltips be like:
Something something 30% (in PVP its only 10%)
Something something 50% (in PVP its only 15%)
week 1 was awesome when it was bugged. it was fine idk why they got rid of it now its bad
talents link for templar pls
Oh well, now i have time to play some other classes ;)
Make the best st build with 1 min wings :)
Sad I want to play Templer so badly in PvP but Herald is soo much better
mate could you put in so we can copy your spec ?
Gonna call it now the templar tree mechanically will never be good unless they make changes to the 5 hp spender
this is such bullshit!! i really like templar talent
What about pve? I can't really find anyone that makes videos for Ret Paladin pve.
All correct for pve
@LvladenPvP That's sweet. Hopefully, someone can do the math and see if Temp will out putting Harold of the Sun in Mythic +. I try to do some testing today, and it feels so much better then before. I love both specs.
@@LifeofZyoNI’m around 1.5M average dps at the end of a +9. Before with herald of the sun I was around 1.3M so I think it’s better now but that’s just my testing
Okay i just hit 1800 with templar and just the 25% ST buff felt like enough.Sad to hear that the other things dont work. I also hit a 3M crit
But this is a vid from a ret pal about ret paladins. Perhaps write your comment on a Guzu video if you want support.
bruh if any blizzard devs are watching this video, give us a glyph for divine steed where i dont have to use a mount and just get a move speed increase, or like speed of light trail. im so damn tired of getting stuck on things because of the steed part of divine steed. and dont even get me started on how many talents they're shoving down are throats that are PURELY for divine steed. like holy hell blizzard, why
I have played Templar 90% of the time and these buffs are for PvE mainly. I barely see any improvements in PvP. My biggest hammer of light hits around +150k than before in real PvP scenario which is complete trash :))
in practice these buffs are not performing better than HOTS in PVE single target or AOE
played templar the whole week before "buffs" just to see if the buffs were noticeable, well hey are not...still same issues in pvp, still same feeling of not doing any dmg while "bursting", also there r certain classes like arcane mage who can literally disintegrate you with 2 buttons while jumping, arms warrior can do 2 milion+ ms easy, 3.5 mil demolish ez. and we'r happy with a barely 1.5 mil average dmg from our strongest skill?...it never crit or almost never crit caue our crit is a total joke atm with our stats so the should've add atleast a flat +20% crit on the spell itself in my opinion...as it is like this we will see still Heralds dominating arenas as Ret...ofc its "viable" but this doesnt mean competitive....so for me its an epic fail soz about that.
If any Blizzard Dev is reading this, PLEASE ONE TIME DO SOMETHING FOR THE RET COMMUNITY or I think its over soon. This can not go on like this!
Soooo, go with Herald still?!
Herald is trash right now
50 stacks is still too high.
You can't get 50 stacks within 30s when your next wake is ready.
As it stands now to 50 stacks seems to come every other wake or a bit longer
When you do a whole Delve you get maybe 1-3 the whole delve, so for sure not every minute, every minute would be massive.
@@miriamweller812who cares about delves
We should not be nerfed in pvp period, our wings is still 10%, what a joke
bro, it would still be useless even if they changes made it for pvp
I fkn hate blizzard.
What a surprise that ret is still trash. But mages got frostfirebolt buff lol
ret is still trash if you are clueless
@@MA-gc2pc well i am 2100+ atm and still telling u ret is trash in pvp. Squishy as hell bad mobility and no dam compare to other toons
@@tamasnyesev1164 Ah sorry mate, my apology though you were referring to pve, in pvp I know we are not in good position, sorry!
yeah ret is among the best dps specs right now, but frost mage is so much better in pvp its not even funny. I play both classes and mages got nerfed on their instant cast built, but its still viable and there is now a frostfire build which is extremely fun, especially in bg. I want to know if templar build is now better for single target dps, no one seems to have covered that yet
@@profesorz642 People don't seem to understand that CC is a def AND off cooldown in one, when it goes against melee or shorter ranged classes even any soft CC like slow.
So a class that can just spam soft CC is the most tanky of all by that alone, what must be part of the balacing process.
It's easy to see: just look at PvE and how stronger monster simply get immune against CC and even soft CC. Why? Because it would be broken. You cold defeat any boss monster alone with ease, if you can just kite them around with slow and freeze.
It's not any different in PvP.
Probably a bug.
정신나간 블리자드
Blizzard really made sure that ret paladin doesn't do crazy one shot like in the past kekw
Pvp dummy is buggy, it works correctly in arenas
@@unreinster haven’t tested today in arena but yesterday it was most definitely not functioning in solo shuffle, blitz, and skirms.
@@LvladenPvP Its fixed in pvp generally
My Ret will be Galloping across the field , out dps’ing all of you
Clown game
DEI blizz devs, im surprised they could even get a single change through
at this point they considered ret as a lower class than other classes🤣🤣🤣