I've always mained DPS, but dabbled in healing and I always gravitated towards shaman. I just feel like the toolkit is so easy to grasp as a beginner to healing. Plus idk something about seeing the water wash over everyone is so cool, and the sound effects are pretty too
it's super fun! I dipped into it here and there in DF but am now maining 2 healers for this 1st season of TWW and I'm having a blast. one is my raid healer and one is for keys lol
Tip for learning utility spells: Do it the same way as learning to keybind. Have all your base abilities you need to heal bound and ready, and then add in a new utility ability. Use it every time you see a good opportunity for it. Once you feel you comfortably have a grasp of it, add a second utility ability. Once you feel you have the grasp of using them both, add a third. Continue until all moves are fulfilled, and dont be afraid to go back to square one with a new ability. If you arent able to add another and give the new ability the attention it deserves, strip everything else off and just have that ability on its own to learn it, then add it back to the whole. Do not be discouraged if its slow, you're asking yourself to completely change the criteria you're looking for and add a new reaction for it. As long as you can keep people alive you have nothing to be worried about. Turning yourself into an exceptional healer two months from now is superior to being an okay healer next week. Some may disagree with this method and that's fine. From my point of view, using one spell very well is superior to having them all available and rarely thinking to use them.
Also, another big tip is to *USE* your utility all the time, don't wait for the right time, use it even if it is wasted. In the beginning, you want to get used to your utility and get used to its cooldown. We often see 1~1.5min cooldown and think we should save it for the right time, but in reality, this cooldown is not that long. Better to die for lack of cooldowns available than die because you wanted to save a cooldown for a hypothetical worse situation (believe me, that hypothetical will never come).
I used LFR to learn healing. Not as much pressure being perfect, and you can take your time working on everything with the other healers covering up for the newness.
I learned healing back in the days by letting people dying. When it became boring, I reduced the amount of deaths. Nowadays nobody dares to die when I am near him.
Totally agree with your rankings, Growl. Also worth mentioning is that both the Hero trees for Resto Shaman are easy to grasp, with Farseer multiplying the single-target whack-a-mole heals and Totemic providing a ton of automatic Chain Heals and persistent ground heal effects. Both being suitable for new healers means you'll have options, which should make the class more enjoyable for everyone.
For M+ I'd switch druid and paladin myself, otherwise looks about what I'd ra k them as on difficulty to get started with. For raids I would maybe even rank druid harder than here, because it's raid builds are definitely harder to master.
Love your Vids.... hopefully you will find the time to do a 5 minute how-to-play for each healer for advanced players, who maybe just want to change their spec/class ...
Those two are antithetical. 5 minutes is not enough time for advanced guides. Class discords, wowhead and icyveins are good places though to brush up on things including fundamentals you have have forgotten. Alternatively other youtubers who are not as good as Growl but still reputable have created guides for each healer.
Keybinds seriously are insane for druids. I have macroed out everything (as I don't want to use any healing addOns). 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, F, R, T, G, M5 and everything with Shift. Self CDs on CTRL. 1-5, Lifebloom, Rejuvenation, Regrowth, Natures Swiftness, AoE Heal // if hovered over enemy, all of them become damage spells (MF, SF, Wrath, Starfire) My T is the shield that we can give and it is a sequence macro, so double tap would give out ironbark. I love the utility. I love the little bit of cat weaving in between the sweaty sessions. I'm absolutely looking forwards to a proper 630+ weapon soon though, as the higher keys are really stressful on a budged below 620 gear
I ranked them before watching and we had the same list, except swapping holy priest and shaman. I think using shaman's utility well makes it harder. Solid content!
Yesterday I got my rdruid up to 70, so now I have all 6 healer classes at max level for the first time since I started playing in SL 🎉 Looking forward to trying them all in TWW. I main hpriest, love being able to throw out big chunky heals as needed. As a casual, my list is a lot less informed than yours!! But I struggle with healing in melee so it looks a little different: Easiest - hpriest resto shaman rdruid pres evoker mw monk hpala Hardest - disc priest Thanks for the videos! ❤
we need guides by growl for optimised routes and CD rotation per each pack and optimal APM for every puzzle solving, i mean cmon, dont keep us in the dark
as a veteran healer as well I'd add that new healers should focus on improve themselves instead of listening all the blaming and toxicity of m+ specially pugs (also considering that healers will have more impact than before because tanks and off-healing nerfs) and think of yourselves as the oil that lubricates the gear that is your party paying atention to your teammates and how they respond to incoming damage, of course that is something that comes with experiencie but is important to keep it in mind. Happy keying 💖
I was using a feral druid for the past few expansions, just switched to resto and I love it. I tried it when I first started but I was not ready. Now that I'm more used to what druids can do it feels much better, very fun healer spec IMO.
Disc Priest is so fun if youre willing to learn it. Understanding how to ramp around when damage is gonna come out is such a satisfying execution check
I'm very new in wow, but healer/buffer is always my favorite role in any game. I maxed out a druid lately, because i love the nature aspect of it, but i think until now it didn't really matter if i played correctly. I say that because many times a random dude rushed the dungeon killing everything in a instant, lol. Hope to be as good as you someday, i have really enjoyed playing wow so far. ^ ^
When you Will start noticing you are needed consistently is on high Keys And higher diff raids. In low content is either a Rush with people self healing enough to not be needed or people doing Things so Bad that they die do to ignore a mechanic that needed tonbe shared or Things like that. Even on those cases sometimes people still blame the healer 😂 Like healer had an "add a brain to that player" button 😅
Yeah it's not much healing in normal and heroics, next week perhaps things gonna start hurt a bit and will make people think twice before going blastmode 1.0
Low pve content isn't that great for learning healing. It might sound scary, but try pvp. You will learn more in random bgs than heroic/normal dungeons and LFR, and you can get some cool cosmetics out of it. People actually need healing in bgs. Then once you have muscle memory down, you can move to mythic dungeons.
Very nice list, good explenation of all the healing styles. Small note tough, the fistweaving build for Monks is nót the only way! You cán viably go into a soothing mist build (need to look in obscure places to find them), but it'll turn it into a ranged reactive healing style more like a mix of holy priest/druid
Small tip for anyone interested in priests. Goblin gives you an excellent movement ability while dwarf has a nice def cd. It might not seem like much but either of those really fill the gaps the class is prone to suffer from
Personally I'm just waiting for the 20th anniversary patch, where Dracthyr become able to be priests. The small movement speed boost from Glide is absolutely massive for priest, as you can use it while casting instant heals. It makes you less reliant on Angelic Feather or Body and Soul. I really like hpriest healing style but I always found it too squishy and limited by movement, which is why I'm currently playing rdruid. So I'm going to wait for Dracthyr priest being available.
well done overview. the rating here for holy paladin will be quite different tho; recently they removed [infusion of light] for hpals which means CS (9:13) is no longer our main holypower generator (CS now only gives 1 HP). i think that hpals will be starving holy power early on in TWW due to holyprism no longer giving holypower, infusion of light removed and low secondary haste stats causing HP generating issues. i wonder where this is going... maybe hero talents will offset that quite a bit so i hope that hpals will at least be middle of the ground in S1 regarding overall performance.
This one is sooooo much better than Jak's. I admit my bias as a dedicated pres evoker, but I hate when people say it's easy. Before pres, Disc was my favorite and I played it in SL. The things I'd overwhelmingly complain about as Disc are fairly non-existent as Pres. Pres is and will continue to be my main for the end of time if it's not fundamentally changed. Over 70d played in DF!
I'm only a casual player but I did some dungeons and raid runs in shadowlands as a resto shaman and despite my anxiety, I ended up doing really well and ended up being their preferred healer to go too despite having only had a couple dungeons experience at that point which was very sweet xD I did have to be told over voice call when to use wind shear and such to be more effective, but it was real fun playing resto and then you have pretty great/fun dps options if you wanna swap
I agree with rsham pick. The holy words and CDs of holy are just bit more confusing sounding than resto shaman. Drop totem it does healing. Hit ascendance heal more. Drop Spirit link share health. The tooltips are just consistently shorter and simpler and more intuitive than holy
To the new healers, i preferd holy than shaman if u wanna go raid. But in mitic 100% Shaman, the main problem maybe be Could totem, the rain place problem and the slow casting, if u play DPS that is a pain in the ass.
The healing rain are on the totem now so no longer a cast, if you play that hero tree.. Which you should, it's super nice. Im maining hpala myself and 2nd shaman/pres evoker
As a new player to retail WoW healing its nice to be validated in my choices for healer (Disc and Pres) being difficult and not just me being a simple classic healer :D Discipline felt very alien, trying to keep atonements up and still doing damage to get the healing done so I made a dragon and while its not been easy it feels a lot better to move around and breathe green fire into my party members behinds. Only done +2's so far but i've had so much more fun than I was in classic (other than the whirlpools of pain and suffering).
Tbh as someone who had never once healed but had raided and m+ed pretty high as mage>other range dps.. going shaman in prepatch to df but then s1 prevoker and then disc priest in s3 felt super natural esp the latter 2 lol
Also as a new healer mana talents and mana spenders that dump healing are ur friend. So like disintegrate granting mana and temp anomaly orb that applies echo to anyone it goes thru mm
damn, you sound just like me. I got back into WoW with cata launch, as I had quit waaay back in wrath retail. Now i'm trying out retail, and I started disc priest into pres evoker as well. I was thinking 'damn are things really this complicated for every class?' and now it turns out i chose the 2 most complicated healers to begin lol. But, im looking forward to the challenge and might respec into holy till I get used to the dungeons themselves.
The video is great and give a great answer. There are some mistakes on the mistweaver side. It's harder compared to paladins. Mistweaver you need to be proactive otherwise you won't have teaching stacks for your CDs and revival isn't strong enough but can help. It's also much more difficult because you have to stay in melee for longer. Paladin has one spell that requires melee, compared to a mistweaver who has 4.
So recognizable, if a character has a heal spec I play it to the end of an expansion and it will be a healer at that time. If it doesnt have a healspec it gets abandoned with the first major patch/new season, as it will already be behind in gearing.
I hope you enjoy playing the others! Personally Disc felt like I needed to throw myself into the deep end to truly grasp it. Prevoker is so much fun, it's not as scary as it sounds once you start playing.
It's interesting to see how the healing specs have changed over the years. I started playing WOW just before Wrath dropped and became a healer by accident. I'd be in a dungeon group in BC content and we could never find a healer. Someone would inevitably go, "Hey, you're a druid, you have healing spells. You try." Uhhhh....K. I became a solid healer on my Druid, Shaman & Holy Priest. I didn't play regularly after Cata and became a casual due to life stuff. I dropped off entirely before the end of Shadowlands. Seeing some of the available options to re-learn how to play without all the PUG pressure makes me want to come back.
Mistweaver being that high up was very surprising to me, I'd personally have put it just above disc. Always interesting to see how much peoples opinions on these things vary. Thanks for another entertaining Vid
I think there was some complexity that Growl didn't account for - like how being out of melee can mess you up, and how much of your healing is dependent on being good at keeping up your ReMs on people, and how you need to make sure your faeline stomp is getting reset before movement or risk losing access to a lot of your fistweaving. But I do think that some of the WW changes have made mistweaver feel more beginner friendly by making your fistweaving a more reliable and straightforward source of the healing.
@@alinethome4064 i think a lot of it is that mw looks more complex than it is. if you chuck your chiji basically on cooldown and jam your sheiluns gift when the group takes damage it makes healing as mw pretty trivial. what makes it difficult is less its rotation or upkeep and more things like its lack of a good tank cd. being out of melee can hurt but you do have tools to handle it for as long as you need to be out of melee, which usually isnt long
@@alinethome4064 Yeah for sure, I may not have appreciated TWW changes as much. The big aspect I was surprised Growl didn't account for from my perspective as someone who tried to teach a beginner MW recently, was that they really struggled to watch both enemies and party frames at the same time. Often losing their target on one or the other and found mouse overs very hard to get used to coming from dpsing previously. It's the main reason I'd personally rank disc, holy pala and MW towards the harder end of the scale. But I'm aware I could also just be biased to wanting to consider my main to not be considered "easy".
I agree, he also didn't take into account that Chi'ji isn't a straight heal button. You have to know when the damage will come to build up ATotM stacks and faeline stomp + use up all your ReM stacks before using Chi'Ji and bursting through damage (like going through Hyrja in Hall of Valor in s1 was kinda hard for us MW). That's the biggest thing that tilted me haha
@@zyr5394 mw in s1 vs now just doesn't really compare, there was no sheiluns gift, every heal was undertuned, ancient teachings didn't redistribute heals it only healed 1 target, you had to stand inside faeline You could brute force healing till a few key levels after ksh without even using sheiluns gift all df besides s1 ofc which didn't have it
I actually was a complete beginner to wow and started on disc priest because I was too cool for a holy priest. It took me a bit to get it but after I got the hang of it, it feels super natural. In fact my problem now is learning a new healer. I’m constantly thinking proactively and kinda freak out when I’m playing whack a mole
Holy Priest was a bit of a learning curve for me (last time I really played I was a holy paladin in TBC. We basically used two spells and that was it) but once I got the hang of it, it’s been fun. Just so many fun cooldowns and visuals
the biggest myth i must debunk is that MW is just 'dps to heal'. it's not ! beginner will experience a LOT of pain if they believe that fistweaving is maintenance mode. but when shit get thrown at you if you do not know how to setup your chi-ji or pre-spread renewing mist / enveloping mist to then extending them with RSK while spamming good old vivify/ReM after with the occasional RSK in between you while have a very bad time ! You also have to learn how to use the stacks of teaching of the monastery for the extra juice if you know shit is about to happen on your group but doesn't need much more after TFT is also a very nice modifier that greatly enrich the gameplay from a 'big heal' on the move to using it to prepare for big AOE healing by extending ReM or as giga shield for yourself ! probably the most fun healer and i can't recommend it enough. if you like the melee style but don't want to worry much with predictive healing hpal is perfect and giga fun i would even classify pres harder than disc in m+ the positioning/range limitation could be infuriating *especially* in PU nothing will send you into a blind rage than a temporal anomaly into the void or a dream breath for the group that decided to gtfo at the last moment and ofc running around trying to heal that range that decided to stay in tumbuktu
Something about monk in general this patch is just absolute perfection. Even WW and BM are super smooth and feel awesome to play. MW is like the perfect pug dungeon healer too, always goes super smooth. Once you've felt the instant-cast vivify mass-heal, you never go back.
As a lifelong HolyPaladin healer, it was wild to raid with it and only when it 'clicked' did I shoot up the healing charts consistently. Felt good, because it felt like mentally leveling up, regardless of gear.
Been healing as disc, it's such a big difference once you get all your spells setup eith mouse over macros. I can stay targeted on the tank and spam smite to his target. It is 3x difficult without mouse over macros for most healing classes
Also, if you're doing Mythic + and you feel like you're running out of mana, do not hesitate to tell the group that you need to stop and drink some. Remember your water, they'll always be purchasable from Innkeepers where you can set your Hearthstone.
I was dpsing with a restoration shaman in M0 Siege of Boralus on the last boss. For whatever reason, he didn't dispel the dot (Putrid Water) on anyone in the whole fight. Finally, I went ahead and heal that fight and we finish it with me doing the mechanics.
Thank you for another banger video Mr cat! Man I just wish I knew where the waffle cat thing came from, it’s been living rent free in my head for over a week now.
I love learning healing in random battlegrounds, so this is probably why i went Holy Paladin. Random battlegrounds hit that perfect balance between "your allies take damage" and "one mistake and it's over." You learn fast how to weave dps into your rotation and the muscle memory helps with higher content.
With this seasons affixes being so fixed, later on in the season I’d like to see tips videos on how to break the barriers into the next key level. Like specific tips on how to deal with fortified and tyran at the same time 😂 or healer tips to not blow time besides not letting the group die
As a holy priest advocate for many many years now, it really is a great way to into healing. One thing that would say as a positive to the lack of utility for priest is well.. that just means you don't have to worry about it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ *cracks copuim canister*
I have been a resto druid for most of wow's existence and have always found other healers to be much more difficult to play due to mobility. Druid mobility while healing is unmatched and it is hard to give up (for me).
right now for my personal goals in s1, i'm looking to go monk>shaman and equally building them up. sometimes i want to be a healing totem, other times i want to punch things. maybe one day, blizz will make resto shaman a melee to heal build (water bender).
I think the proactiveness is a huge part, but for those looking to really master a healer and wanting to include damage in their kit which is not optional for multiple of the healers, I think HPal, MW and RDruid are harder than Pres just due to the need to be in melee. A lot of people can't wrap their heads around the melee part and the extra danger that comes with while still healing.
Each class and spec has a good spot in the game depending on whT youre doing. The preference on what youd like to do and how hard you want ypur job to be is really the question. Mythic raiding, mythic keys, open world, player v player, battlegrounds, or you can do all of it and get gud at spec changes
Thank you. I'm really wanting to try a priest, but I just can't decide between shaman, pally, or priest at the moment. My main dps classes have always been warlock and death knight.
Mostly agree with the list, but I’d personally put Druid up to third easiest. I found it ridiculously easy to learn: damage is coming, put hots out, watch health go straight back up 😂I think mw has the potential to be easy or hard for a newbie also. You have to understand AT, trust the dps healing and know how to properly utilise it for triage vs when to spot heal. It’s not just a simple out of the box and go spec like holy or rsham is, so if a newbie doesn’t quite get it yet, they will struggle a lot (saw that firsthand with people attempting to go mw back in s3 when it was blasting)
Does growl do healing videos on specific specs, beside streaming? I would love to see preservastion evoker video with voice-over commentating his thought process
Holy priests is awesime for raid errors. Idk how you could replace their big cooldowns with another classes tool kif. Shammy gets close if close encounters such as halwsys, but if the raid is spread out like peanut butter on a sammich holy gets somethinf for everyone that gets burned in a conal attack, area denial damage, or simply what could be a wipe.
I mained Mistweaver monk when I still played WoW. I liked Mistweaver when it came out in MoP, especially the fistweaving aspect, I was sad when they took out fistweaving, I was exciting when it got added back in Dragonflight but then subsequently disappointed because it was only through a talent which meant tier sets didn't give any bonuses to it and forced you to be a boring traditional caster healer.
I really wish we could get some new heal and tank specs , preservation was a nice addition but theres just sooo many dps specs and such little variance in heals and tanksi feel in as we have what? Like almost 26 27 dps specs to like 6 and 7 tanks and heals. I get its more of a challaenge design wise to make these specs but its truly criminal just how few there are and theres so much opportunity to make intresting healers and tanks
Question: when talking about MW, I noticed you focused a ton on the fist weaving aspect of it. However, that’s not really a viable style of play in raids, where we do need to focus a lot more on individual heals and HOT’s.
I got halfway through the video before remembering I'm not a beginner and have already healed 20s (10s now I guess). I cant speak for Hpriest, but the rest are in the same order I'd rank them, as someone who generally pugs whatever maxes my vault and see all kinds of players.
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I was never a fan of Monks but when I tried MW I was blown away. That is some really fun game play.
I've been having monks join my dungeons in retail and I never drop below 90% hp.
"oh no my group needs healing! *drop kick a mob* there"
Mistweaver is what I wish Holy paladin was
Mistweaver hella fun and a amazing Utility ❤
@@poinstaar7029 mw now is what holy pally was s1 and s2 dragonflight. expect some monk nerfs eventually.
I've always mained DPS, but dabbled in healing and I always gravitated towards shaman. I just feel like the toolkit is so easy to grasp as a beginner to healing. Plus idk something about seeing the water wash over everyone is so cool, and the sound effects are pretty too
"How proactive do you be?" I love that you rolled with it in the text as well lmao
they dont like it be like it is, but it do.
THANK YOU!! I’ve been dipping my toe into healing for a while now, but want to dive in this next expansion.
good luck! its very fun and addictive. much shorter ques too
Good luck :) healing can be super fun and rewarding
Its rewarding when it clicks. (Also a relative beginner in healing)
it's super fun! I dipped into it here and there in DF but am now maining 2 healers for this 1st season of TWW and I'm having a blast. one is my raid healer and one is for keys lol
Tip for learning utility spells:
Do it the same way as learning to keybind. Have all your base abilities you need to heal bound and ready, and then add in a new utility ability. Use it every time you see a good opportunity for it. Once you feel you comfortably have a grasp of it, add a second utility ability. Once you feel you have the grasp of using them both, add a third. Continue until all moves are fulfilled, and dont be afraid to go back to square one with a new ability. If you arent able to add another and give the new ability the attention it deserves, strip everything else off and just have that ability on its own to learn it, then add it back to the whole. Do not be discouraged if its slow, you're asking yourself to completely change the criteria you're looking for and add a new reaction for it. As long as you can keep people alive you have nothing to be worried about. Turning yourself into an exceptional healer two months from now is superior to being an okay healer next week.
Some may disagree with this method and that's fine. From my point of view, using one spell very well is superior to having them all available and rarely thinking to use them.
Also, another big tip is to *USE* your utility all the time, don't wait for the right time, use it even if it is wasted. In the beginning, you want to get used to your utility and get used to its cooldown. We often see 1~1.5min cooldown and think we should save it for the right time, but in reality, this cooldown is not that long. Better to die for lack of cooldowns available than die because you wanted to save a cooldown for a hypothetical worse situation (believe me, that hypothetical will never come).
Bro you did 2 videos in dragonflight and 15 in the prepatch pleeeease don’t burn out on us
These vids are FARMING. I bet his motivation is peaked.
@@Chris-dt8ruSame was I thinking
I’m so happy about all this growl content
I used LFR to learn healing. Not as much pressure being perfect, and you can take your time working on everything with the other healers covering up for the newness.
I learned healing back in the days by letting people dying. When it became boring, I reduced the amount of deaths. Nowadays nobody dares to die when I am near him.
Totally agree with your rankings, Growl. Also worth mentioning is that both the Hero trees for Resto Shaman are easy to grasp, with Farseer multiplying the single-target whack-a-mole heals and Totemic providing a ton of automatic Chain Heals and persistent ground heal effects. Both being suitable for new healers means you'll have options, which should make the class more enjoyable for everyone.
For M+ I'd switch druid and paladin myself, otherwise looks about what I'd ra k them as on difficulty to get started with. For raids I would maybe even rank druid harder than here, because it's raid builds are definitely harder to master.
Love your Vids.... hopefully you will find the time to do a 5 minute how-to-play for each healer for advanced players, who maybe just want to change their spec/class ...
Those two are antithetical. 5 minutes is not enough time for advanced guides.
Class discords, wowhead and icyveins are good places though to brush up on things including fundamentals you have have forgotten. Alternatively other youtubers who are not as good as Growl but still reputable have created guides for each healer.
@@booradley6832 not gonna get into comparing the 2 youtubers but jak(bcastin) has been putting out alot of vids for healer info lately
Here I was drinking my ice tea, enjoying my pool and the summer, and I was like. I could watch a Yumy video on top of that.
Thanks you Sir
did the invites get lost or what?
@@baseboned Damn, I will send them earlier next time
Keybinds seriously are insane for druids. I have macroed out everything (as I don't want to use any healing addOns).
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, F, R, T, G, M5 and everything with Shift. Self CDs on CTRL.
1-5, Lifebloom, Rejuvenation, Regrowth, Natures Swiftness, AoE Heal // if hovered over enemy, all of them become damage spells (MF, SF, Wrath, Starfire)
My T is the shield that we can give and it is a sequence macro, so double tap would give out ironbark.
I love the utility. I love the little bit of cat weaving in between the sweaty sessions. I'm absolutely looking forwards to a proper 630+ weapon soon though, as the higher keys are really stressful on a budged below 620 gear
I ranked them before watching and we had the same list, except swapping holy priest and shaman. I think using shaman's utility well makes it harder. Solid content!
Yesterday I got my rdruid up to 70, so now I have all 6 healer classes at max level for the first time since I started playing in SL 🎉 Looking forward to trying them all in TWW. I main hpriest, love being able to throw out big chunky heals as needed.
As a casual, my list is a lot less informed than yours!! But I struggle with healing in melee so it looks a little different:
Easiest - hpriest
resto shaman
rdruid
pres evoker
mw monk
hpala
Hardest - disc priest
Thanks for the videos! ❤
Your list is definitely closer to reality.
@@Dadule82 yeah for sure specialy with the updates we had now
Okay but when is the tier list for delves coming? I need to know how to optimize my underground adventures!
mole people rise up (but not too far)
Are you a mole person?
we need guides by growl for optimised routes and CD rotation per each pack and optimal APM for every puzzle solving, i mean cmon, dont keep us in the dark
@@BeowulfGaming I disagree. Please keep us in the dark.
OK, when are we gonna drop this worn out joke?
as a veteran healer as well I'd add that new healers should focus on improve themselves instead of listening all the blaming and toxicity of m+ specially pugs (also considering that healers will have more impact than before because tanks and off-healing nerfs) and think of yourselves as the oil that lubricates the gear that is your party paying atention to your teammates and how they respond to incoming damage, of course that is something that comes with experiencie but is important to keep it in mind. Happy keying 💖
Excellent overview! Just what I was looking for. Thanks!
this is just what i needed to decide my healers for solo shuffle. great video man. best of luck in TWW. have a good rest of your day!
I was using a feral druid for the past few expansions, just switched to resto and I love it. I tried it when I first started but I was not ready. Now that I'm more used to what druids can do it feels much better, very fun healer spec IMO.
Disc Priest is so fun if youre willing to learn it. Understanding how to ramp around when damage is gonna come out is such a satisfying execution check
I'm finally learning how to catweave due to Wildstalker in TWW, and it's made resto druid so much fun
I Healed my way to KSM/KSH as presvoker in S3, was great fun. Also did some mucky about as Aug lol.
I'm very new in wow, but healer/buffer is always my favorite role in any game. I maxed out a druid lately, because i love the nature aspect of it, but i think until now it didn't really matter if i played correctly. I say that because many times a random dude rushed the dungeon killing everything in a instant, lol. Hope to be as good as you someday, i have really enjoyed playing wow so far. ^ ^
When you Will start noticing you are needed consistently is on high Keys And higher diff raids.
In low content is either a Rush with people self healing enough to not be needed or people doing Things so Bad that they die do to ignore a mechanic that needed tonbe shared or Things like that.
Even on those cases sometimes people still blame the healer 😂
Like healer had an "add a brain to that player" button 😅
Yeah it's not much healing in normal and heroics, next week perhaps things gonna start hurt a bit and will make people think twice before going blastmode 1.0
Low pve content isn't that great for learning healing. It might sound scary, but try pvp. You will learn more in random bgs than heroic/normal dungeons and LFR, and you can get some cool cosmetics out of it. People actually need healing in bgs. Then once you have muscle memory down, you can move to mythic dungeons.
Very nice list, good explenation of all the healing styles.
Small note tough, the fistweaving build for Monks is nót the only way!
You cán viably go into a soothing mist build (need to look in obscure places to find them), but it'll turn it into a ranged reactive healing style more like a mix of holy priest/druid
Dude, i love you. Thats exactly what i needed.
Small tip for anyone interested in priests. Goblin gives you an excellent movement ability while dwarf has a nice def cd. It might not seem like much but either of those really fill the gaps the class is prone to suffer from
Exactly. When I played as dPriest in s3, being dwarf literally saved my life many times :D
Also, Night Elf provides shadowmeld which helps drop threat or exit combat entirely to drink. :)
@@feralkittieh_ shadowmeld also lets u to skip some mechanics or boss abilities
Tauren has War Stomp, which is an aoe stun that is far more useful than you'd think it would be when your dps doesn't use cc on certain affixes.
Personally I'm just waiting for the 20th anniversary patch, where Dracthyr become able to be priests. The small movement speed boost from Glide is absolutely massive for priest, as you can use it while casting instant heals. It makes you less reliant on Angelic Feather or Body and Soul. I really like hpriest healing style but I always found it too squishy and limited by movement, which is why I'm currently playing rdruid. So I'm going to wait for Dracthyr priest being available.
Your videos are consistently high quality.
Resto shaman has the most keybinds of all healers, it is easy to heal on a mediocre level but difficult to master which is why I love it
I fully agree, druid having the most is hyperbole since the have stance bars. I have 31 keybinds even with help/harm macros for all dps abilities.
@@wiskeeamazingdancer4964the actual fuck do you need 31 keybinds for
nerf incoming as always
@@KC-py5vqi believe half are utilities but that’s m+ At high keys
@@wiskeeamazingdancer4964 Got 24 binds with help/harm macros ~ 3000 rio first time playing healer pure pug experience, feels very easy
100% agree with the ranking list. Thank god there is resto shaman, as I would never ever decided to heal, love healing in m+ but only on my SHAMAN
well done overview. the rating here for holy paladin will be quite different tho; recently they removed [infusion of light] for hpals which means CS (9:13) is no longer our main holypower generator (CS now only gives 1 HP). i think that hpals will be starving holy power early on in TWW due to holyprism no longer giving holypower, infusion of light removed and low secondary haste stats causing HP generating issues. i wonder where this is going... maybe hero talents will offset that quite a bit so i hope that hpals will at least be middle of the ground in S1 regarding overall performance.
Love the video please keep them up. Also Jangbee needs to come back
bro is pumping out content, love to see it
This one is sooooo much better than Jak's. I admit my bias as a dedicated pres evoker, but I hate when people say it's easy. Before pres, Disc was my favorite and I played it in SL. The things I'd overwhelmingly complain about as Disc are fairly non-existent as Pres. Pres is and will continue to be my main for the end of time if it's not fundamentally changed. Over 70d played in DF!
I'm only a casual player but I did some dungeons and raid runs in shadowlands as a resto shaman and despite my anxiety, I ended up doing really well and ended up being their preferred healer to go too despite having only had a couple dungeons experience at that point which was very sweet xD I did have to be told over voice call when to use wind shear and such to be more effective, but it was real fun playing resto and then you have pretty great/fun dps options if you wanna swap
I agree with rsham pick. The holy words and CDs of holy are just bit more confusing sounding than resto shaman. Drop totem it does healing. Hit ascendance heal more. Drop Spirit link share health. The tooltips are just consistently shorter and simpler and more intuitive than holy
I haven't played healer since OG cata but thinking of dusting off my resto shammy and giving it a shot again.
Insane as always big dog!
After hearing your voice I am definitely one of the hardest healers 😉
To the new healers, i preferd holy than shaman if u wanna go raid. But in mitic 100% Shaman, the main problem maybe be Could totem, the rain place problem and the slow casting, if u play DPS that is a pain in the ass.
The healing rain are on the totem now so no longer a cast, if you play that hero tree.. Which you should, it's super nice. Im maining hpala myself and 2nd shaman/pres evoker
As a new player to retail WoW healing its nice to be validated in my choices for healer (Disc and Pres) being difficult and not just me being a simple classic healer :D
Discipline felt very alien, trying to keep atonements up and still doing damage to get the healing done so I made a dragon and while its not been easy it feels a lot better to move around and breathe green fire into my party members behinds. Only done +2's so far but i've had so much more fun than I was in classic (other than the whirlpools of pain and suffering).
Tbh as someone who had never once healed but had raided and m+ed pretty high as mage>other range dps.. going shaman in prepatch to df but then s1 prevoker and then disc priest in s3 felt super natural esp the latter 2 lol
Also as a new healer mana talents and mana spenders that dump healing are ur friend. So like disintegrate granting mana and temp anomaly orb that applies echo to anyone it goes thru mm
damn, you sound just like me. I got back into WoW with cata launch, as I had quit waaay back in wrath retail. Now i'm trying out retail, and I started disc priest into pres evoker as well. I was thinking 'damn are things really this complicated for every class?' and now it turns out i chose the 2 most complicated healers to begin lol. But, im looking forward to the challenge and might respec into holy till I get used to the dungeons themselves.
The video is great and give a great answer.
There are some mistakes on the mistweaver side. It's harder compared to paladins. Mistweaver you need to be proactive otherwise you won't have teaching stacks for your CDs and revival isn't strong enough but can help.
It's also much more difficult because you have to stay in melee for longer. Paladin has one spell that requires melee, compared to a mistweaver who has 4.
Mained resto druid from vanilla to warlords.
I loved it.
Switched to boomkin when I quit raiding.
Thank you for so much content these days
So recognizable, if a character has a heal spec I play it to the end of an expansion and it will be a healer at that time. If it doesnt have a healspec it gets abandoned with the first major patch/new season, as it will already be behind in gearing.
I've tried Holy Priest, Restoration Druid, and Mistweaver. One day I'll hit my healer arc and try all 7
I hope you enjoy playing the others! Personally Disc felt like I needed to throw myself into the deep end to truly grasp it. Prevoker is so much fun, it's not as scary as it sounds once you start playing.
It's interesting to see how the healing specs have changed over the years. I started playing WOW just before Wrath dropped and became a healer by accident. I'd be in a dungeon group in BC content and we could never find a healer. Someone would inevitably go, "Hey, you're a druid, you have healing spells. You try." Uhhhh....K. I became a solid healer on my Druid, Shaman & Holy Priest. I didn't play regularly after Cata and became a casual due to life stuff. I dropped off entirely before the end of Shadowlands. Seeing some of the available options to re-learn how to play without all the PUG pressure makes me want to come back.
Mistweaver being that high up was very surprising to me, I'd personally have put it just above disc. Always interesting to see how much peoples opinions on these things vary. Thanks for another entertaining Vid
I think there was some complexity that Growl didn't account for - like how being out of melee can mess you up, and how much of your healing is dependent on being good at keeping up your ReMs on people, and how you need to make sure your faeline stomp is getting reset before movement or risk losing access to a lot of your fistweaving. But I do think that some of the WW changes have made mistweaver feel more beginner friendly by making your fistweaving a more reliable and straightforward source of the healing.
@@alinethome4064 i think a lot of it is that mw looks more complex than it is. if you chuck your chiji basically on cooldown and jam your sheiluns gift when the group takes damage it makes healing as mw pretty trivial. what makes it difficult is less its rotation or upkeep and more things like its lack of a good tank cd. being out of melee can hurt but you do have tools to handle it for as long as you need to be out of melee, which usually isnt long
@@alinethome4064 Yeah for sure, I may not have appreciated TWW changes as much. The big aspect I was surprised Growl didn't account for from my perspective as someone who tried to teach a beginner MW recently, was that they really struggled to watch both enemies and party frames at the same time. Often losing their target on one or the other and found mouse overs very hard to get used to coming from dpsing previously. It's the main reason I'd personally rank disc, holy pala and MW towards the harder end of the scale. But I'm aware I could also just be biased to wanting to consider my main to not be considered "easy".
I agree, he also didn't take into account that Chi'ji isn't a straight heal button. You have to know when the damage will come to build up ATotM stacks and faeline stomp + use up all your ReM stacks before using Chi'Ji and bursting through damage (like going through Hyrja in Hall of Valor in s1 was kinda hard for us MW).
That's the biggest thing that tilted me haha
@@zyr5394 mw in s1 vs now just doesn't really compare, there was no sheiluns gift, every heal was undertuned, ancient teachings didn't redistribute heals it only healed 1 target, you had to stand inside faeline
You could brute force healing till a few key levels after ksh without even using sheiluns gift all df besides s1 ofc which didn't have it
I actually was a complete beginner to wow and started on disc priest because I was too cool for a holy priest. It took me a bit to get it but after I got the hang of it, it feels super natural. In fact my problem now is learning a new healer. I’m constantly thinking proactively and kinda freak out when I’m playing whack a mole
I think you are exactly right, especially #1 and #2. The utility spells of the resto shaman are numerous!!
Holy Priest was a bit of a learning curve for me (last time I really played I was a holy paladin in TBC. We basically used two spells and that was it) but once I got the hang of it, it’s been fun. Just so many fun cooldowns and visuals
the biggest myth i must debunk is that MW is just 'dps to heal'. it's not !
beginner will experience a LOT of pain if they believe that
fistweaving is maintenance mode.
but when shit get thrown at you if you do not know how to setup your chi-ji or pre-spread renewing mist / enveloping mist to then extending them with RSK while spamming good old vivify/ReM after with the occasional RSK in between you while have a very bad time !
You also have to learn how to use the stacks of teaching of the monastery for the extra juice if you know shit is about to happen on your group but doesn't need much more after
TFT is also a very nice modifier that greatly enrich the gameplay from a 'big heal' on the move to using it to prepare for big AOE healing by extending ReM or as giga shield for yourself !
probably the most fun healer and i can't recommend it enough. if you like the melee style but don't want to worry much with predictive healing hpal is perfect and giga fun
i would even classify pres harder than disc in m+ the positioning/range limitation could be infuriating *especially* in PU nothing will send you into a blind rage than a temporal anomaly into the void or a dream breath for the group that decided to gtfo at the last moment and ofc running around trying to heal that range that decided to stay in tumbuktu
its really not dps to heal at all, maybe slightly in dungeons but raid is a completely different story, i wonder if hes even raided as monk ngl
Great video can't wait to roleswap when I get my new PC
You’re just churning out these videos!
Something about monk in general this patch is just absolute perfection. Even WW and BM are super smooth and feel awesome to play. MW is like the perfect pug dungeon healer too, always goes super smooth. Once you've felt the instant-cast vivify mass-heal, you never go back.
As a lifelong HolyPaladin healer, it was wild to raid with it and only when it 'clicked' did I shoot up the healing charts consistently.
Felt good, because it felt like mentally leveling up, regardless of gear.
I'm just a mole but I might spec into mistweaver once to get flamed. Great list.
Been healing as disc, it's such a big difference once you get all your spells setup eith mouse over macros. I can stay targeted on the tank and spam smite to his target. It is 3x difficult without mouse over macros for most healing classes
My selection of healer this time around was based on poison management, so far Resto Shammy is my favorite for that dungeon aspect.
The disclaimer about playing what you enjoy is often so incredibly overlooked - especially in these "tier list" type videos!
Grateful you took time away from Delves to make this content for us!
wow anther great video. thanks!!
Also, if you're doing Mythic + and you feel like you're running out of mana, do not hesitate to tell the group that you need to stop and drink some. Remember your water, they'll always be purchasable from Innkeepers where you can set your Hearthstone.
Commenting for the algorythm video #1
Let's hope our friend pop off with content in TWW.
I was dpsing with a restoration shaman in M0 Siege of Boralus on the last boss. For whatever reason, he didn't dispel the dot (Putrid Water) on anyone in the whole fight. Finally, I went ahead and heal that fight and we finish it with me doing the mechanics.
Thank you for another banger video Mr cat! Man I just wish I knew where the waffle cat thing came from, it’s been living rent free in my head for over a week now.
THANK YOU FOR UPLOADING I LOVE U GROWL
pretty crazy how fast your closing statements on paladin were nerfed lol.
I’ve always been drawn to the restoration shaman. It’s always seemed as a chill healer.
I love learning healing in random battlegrounds, so this is probably why i went Holy Paladin. Random battlegrounds hit that perfect balance between "your allies take damage" and "one mistake and it's over." You learn fast how to weave dps into your rotation and the muscle memory helps with higher content.
With this seasons affixes being so fixed, later on in the season I’d like to see tips videos on how to break the barriers into the next key level. Like specific tips on how to deal with fortified and tyran at the same time 😂 or healer tips to not blow time besides not letting the group die
Growl you are absolutely popping off with the content lately, love to see it! More waffle cat is always a good way to start my day!
As a holy priest advocate for many many years now, it really is a great way to into healing. One thing that would say as a positive to the lack of utility for priest is well.. that just means you don't have to worry about it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
*cracks copuim canister*
I have been a resto druid for most of wow's existence and have always found other healers to be much more difficult to play due to mobility. Druid mobility while healing is unmatched and it is hard to give up (for me).
I was keeping my fingers crossed for shaman through the whole vid. That's my beloved character fantasy :)
right now for my personal goals in s1, i'm looking to go monk>shaman and equally building them up. sometimes i want to be a healing totem, other times i want to punch things. maybe one day, blizz will make resto shaman a melee to heal build (water bender).
holy grom is pumping content
I think the proactiveness is a huge part, but for those looking to really master a healer and wanting to include damage in their kit which is not optional for multiple of the healers, I think HPal, MW and RDruid are harder than Pres just due to the need to be in melee. A lot of people can't wrap their heads around the melee part and the extra danger that comes with while still healing.
Finally a good ranking. I love to play healer, but i only think that holy priest is a bit easier to play than shaman.
I’m needed this video.
I look forward to the class discord's analysis of this list and associated gameplay ;)
great video as usual
Each class and spec has a good spot in the game depending on whT youre doing. The preference on what youd like to do and how hard you want ypur job to be is really the question. Mythic raiding, mythic keys, open world, player v player, battlegrounds, or you can do all of it and get gud at spec changes
New growl drop lets go, banger video already
Thank you. I'm really wanting to try a priest, but I just can't decide between shaman, pally, or priest at the moment. My main dps classes have always been warlock and death knight.
Mostly agree with the list, but I’d personally put Druid up to third easiest. I found it ridiculously easy to learn: damage is coming, put hots out, watch health go straight back up 😂I think mw has the potential to be easy or hard for a newbie also. You have to understand AT, trust the dps healing and know how to properly utilise it for triage vs when to spot heal. It’s not just a simple out of the box and go spec like holy or rsham is, so if a newbie doesn’t quite get it yet, they will struggle a lot (saw that firsthand with people attempting to go mw back in s3 when it was blasting)
Does growl do healing videos on specific specs, beside streaming? I would love to see preservastion evoker video with voice-over commentating his thought process
I used to be a paladin healer in Vanilla to Woltk then quit Wow , imagine my surprise when i went back to my paladin during Shadowlands.
I am -NOT- gonna have so much fun on my only Healer in TWW and that is... Disc Priest! 😈😈
Holy priests is awesime for raid errors. Idk how you could replace their big cooldowns with another classes tool kif. Shammy gets close if close encounters such as halwsys, but if the raid is spread out like peanut butter on a sammich holy gets somethinf for everyone that gets burned in a conal attack, area denial damage, or simply what could be a wipe.
loving the growl content spree
Real as always. Gg man
I mained Mistweaver monk when I still played WoW. I liked Mistweaver when it came out in MoP, especially the fistweaving aspect, I was sad when they took out fistweaving, I was exciting when it got added back in Dragonflight but then subsequently disappointed because it was only through a talent which meant tier sets didn't give any bonuses to it and forced you to be a boring traditional caster healer.
I really wish we could get some new heal and tank specs , preservation was a nice addition but theres just sooo many dps specs and such little variance in heals and tanksi feel in as we have what? Like almost 26 27 dps specs to like 6 and 7 tanks and heals. I get its more of a challaenge design wise to make these specs but its truly criminal just how few there are and theres so much opportunity to make intresting healers and tanks
I really like the look of this version of your vuhdo UI, is that shared anywhere like before?
Question: when talking about MW, I noticed you focused a ton on the fist weaving aspect of it. However, that’s not really a viable style of play in raids, where we do need to focus a lot more on individual heals and HOT’s.
I got halfway through the video before remembering I'm not a beginner and have already healed 20s (10s now I guess). I cant speak for Hpriest, but the rest are in the same order I'd rank them, as someone who generally pugs whatever maxes my vault and see all kinds of players.
Disco priest is the most fun I had with healer^^ but yeah, entry level is high
Excellent overview. Which addon is this? Which you use to heal.
"Even though world of warcraft feels like a job sometimes"
I agree with the list for the most part. Move pevoker up a spot easier and swap hpriest/sham.