Portable Wii That Plays ALL Wii and GameCube Games - The Louii
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2019
- Rather than DM me to start a purchase, I'd strongly recommend checking my website first. This will have the most current info on commissions, as well as any portables I've got available for immediate sale: www.gingerofmods.com/immediat...
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Music used:
Rainbow Road - Mario Kart: Double Dash!
Toad Town - Paper Mario
Main Menu - Wii Party
Dragon Roost Island - The Wind Waker
Pikmin - End of Day Remix by Qumu : • Pikmin - Today's Resul... - Ігри
This is like one of those fake photoshopped consoles from 2008 but it's real
Hey now, I could be a Photoshop master y'know ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
When the day you can play GameCube games in a game boy advance chassis then we’re in the future
@@classOFnever1121 We're getting very close, Wii portables in DMG Gameboys have been a thing for years and I'm aiming for a portable built into a Gameboy Color. We'll see how it all pans out...
It's like we're living in the future!
(Annoying Loudy Rock Music)
Finally, that video from 2010 showing the Wii Portable 360 is now real!
Only took me 9 years, but I caught up with the times
@@GingerOfOz now all we need is N64
@@mrnukes797 N64 portables are definitely a thing. I haven't built one yet, but maybe sometime in the future it'll make it off of the list.
You mean WiiStation 360 portable?
It was just delayed 5 times because of the Wii U and Switch
Nintendo: "Write this down! Write this down!"
*Couple months later*
Nintendo: "Switch lite"
@[bleeeeeeeeeeeep] why is your name like that?
@@Kid_Cat64 because I am
h except the lite is just a shitty version but this is actually the same just portable
Don't judge someone by there name or profile
Michael Doubell Thank you maaaaan
I am no longer selling Louiis or Wiiboy Colors. The parts needed to build them are no longer available to buy due to the global chip shortage, which is not likely to improve anytime soon. I'm focusing my attention on creating new projects and making videos on them, which should be more fun and fulfilling for me.
I will occasionally build a portable and then put it up for sale once it is finished. I'll post about it on Twitter, Instagram, and my website whenever I have one available for sale, otherwise you should assume that I have nothing to sell at this time. My prices are over $1000 due to the very high demand and the time needed to put one together.
And I apologize for the long wait for more videos, I've got a lot of plans for this year and hopefully I'll be able to make them all come to fruition. Thanks for watching!
epic pog champ moment
What kind of power source are you using for your device I would use 18750s or the ones above those the 21 whatever and make a battery pack out of like four or five of those to extend the playtime.
Hey don't apologize, we're just extremely appreciative that you would give us your time and effort to make such amazing custom consoles such as this.
I would love one of these u do overseas sells 😂
Hey ginger why don’t you just partner up with a game cider like Dani or something like that and make your own system. There for you can make your own game and console. But it might take sum money so idk but maybe you could look into it. And even sell it for merch!
"I'd love to stop cleaning out toilets, and start cleaning out your wallets"
Amazing
I speak only the truth
@@GingerOfOz yea right🤣
@@GingerOfOz all hail GingerOfMods 😤🙏
Shut up and take my money
Sorry, I just really want to let this thought of mine out xD
Final Fantasy 7 Remake - ua-cam.com/video/Z3xSGv3Hfio/v-deo.html
If i'm not wrong, this combat system is a mix of OG ff7 turn based and Hack n slash from ff7 crisis core. Well, for me at least, I really like this system combat more, its look like it's even faster pace than ffxv combat system and neat, which is really great, I hope!
Well, that being said..
So this is a bit random but, *PLEASE!* We really want a freaking new powerful PS Vita/Nintendo Switch-like with an enough cooling efficiency, longer battery to play great AAA games, Ps4, xBox games, Nintendo games etc on these handheld console, any times any where we want! Pleaseee make it happen big companies! (Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft etc)
Σ(っ°Д °; )っ
Linus Tech Tips video showing he's doing somewhat "add an active-like cooling system on a phone" > ua-cam.com/video/F91bGJBQLFc/v-deo.html
*Hoping that somehow game console company can implement this type of cooling system but smaller enough to fit in the handheld console, and still efficient* ~_~
TLoZ : BotW plus DLC 100%
of 900 korok seed, shrine quest, side quest, all equipment upgrade, all map 100% map speedrun (sub 27 hours)
> ua-cam.com/video/ZI4d9-Ko3wo/v-deo.html
"I'm child of the wii era"...you just made me feel really old
Sorry dad
Wii sucks dick
haha Child of the Wii era = baby
@@mr.joshua204 shut up.
Lion heart ima child of the Gameboy/Gamecube/Xbox/PS2 era and you could say Wii
"I'm not much of an artist"
DUDE THAT LOOKS GREAT WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
I agree 😁👍
Same Bro!!
They sound like the teacher
200st comment
it's decent for someone whos never drawn before. it wouldn't really be though if he was a Full-on like artist who draws sometimes.
Can we just take a minute to talk about how nice that screen is? I’ve never seen a screen on a portable look this great before 😮
I dont think youve ever seen a nice portable before.
Probably just your phone making the colors look better.
Like on the vita 1000 model
@@Tzutzii god the vita 1000 screen really was amazing. 10 years later and switch oled is the only handheld that comes close
You should be very proud of your efforts! Even more so, your words of encouragement to others about how they can be successful in making something like this. The world needs less show offs and more people like you with positive outlooks.
Hey, thanks for the kind words man. Friendly people were what got me into this hobby and I like to emulate the same in hopes that other people will get the same joy out of it that I have.
I agreed, he is a cool dude, i respect that.
Nintendo: Switch lite
GingerOfMods: hold my beer
shhh I'm not 21 yet
Lol
Are u still taking commisions!!!!!!?????!?!?!?!
Yes, I am! Feel free to reach out to me through one of my social medias in the description.
@@GingerOfOz holy smokes!
@@GingerOfOz can i buy one from you?
I would love one
How much for this ?
"as you can tell I'm not much of an artist" don't downplay it, it's a great simplistic design and imo super complex designs aren't always as appealing that is simple and good
I'd love this.. or Nintendo could just release the virtual console for the Switch.
For sure, I've got my fingers crossed for that too.
I've literally never played Super Mario Sunshine before and it'd be super convenient if virtual console was on the Switch.
It seems that I'll just have to settle with trying to find a good copy of the game and the console somewhere online.
@@noahdavis7406 Sunshine is amazing .. a must play for any Mario or Nintendo fan. Getting a GameCube isn't a bad idea, not only will you have sunshine but you'll be able to play a huge Library full of some of the best first party Nintendo games ever released. Or you can get a Wii since it's backwards compatible with Gamecube. So then you'll have access to the entire GameCube and Wii library as well.. but if you do that you just have to make sure you get the right model because towards the end of the Wii's lifespan they started releasing Wii consoles that weren't backwards compatible with Gamecube, so you'd have to get one of the earlier models.
@@TOMMYTV-xl5fb I'm actually quite aware on the Wii models thing.
I grew up with a GameCube but I never actually played any of the first party titles on it. After I had gotten a Wii, I somehow lost track of the GameCube (I assume it was sold by my parents) and I never actually thought to get GameCube games for the Wii.
The Wii was eventually replaced by my Wii U and I actually somehow managed to keep that one when I got my Switch.
Overall, I never actually got to check out the GameCube's library specifically and I'm a bit saddened by it.
@@noahdavis7406 You could always use the Dolphin emulator and play GameCube games.
Everything we wish Nintendo would give us on switch. A real backwards library 😭
I feel you man. I'm hopeful for a GC/Wii virtual console selection at some point, but we'll just have to wait and see.
@@GingerOfOz It's possible, but Nintendo would probably have to work with NVidia to get around issues with the CPU and GPU drivers. The state of GCN and Wii emulation on the Nintendo Switch is very rough but a lot of games are playable.
@@cookieninja900 For sure, I'd imagine Nintendo would have to go a similar route to how they implemented N64 virtual console in the past, by essentially making slightly customized emulators for each game to optimize them to run on hardware that would normally struggle.
@@GingerOfOz Here's hoping we get Virtual Console up to the Wii! If Nintendo is willing to put in the work there are definitely people out there who would love to play their favorite N64, GCN, DS and Wii games all on the same console. It's pretty easy money to be made there, I think they would make so much profit even if they invested a generous amount of money into optimizing Virtual Console on Switch. I wouldn't even complain if they released a sensor bar necessary for some games or made some games only run in docked mode.
With retroarch we gave it to ourselves
You’re an absolute saint for open sourcing the parts. Bless you.
I LOVE these builds since they actually look like consoles a company would officially sell, keep up the good work.
this makes me wonder...
has anyone made a portable wii on a wii U gamepad yet?
There are a couple of projects that build a portable Wii into the Gamepad, but all of the ones built so far use a spacer in the back. Somebody should definitely revisit the idea though, I'd love to see one built super clean.
@@GingerOfOz Most likely a spacer wouldn't be needed with newer developments in portables these days.
Someone should make a 3ds out of 2 switches xD
@@davidbass3178 3DSwitch XXXL
@@GingerOfOz a dockable 3ds
*"The discs go into your own wii to make official backups like a God fearing citizen."*
Yeah ok.
Hey now, don't accuse me pirating 20 year old Nintendo games that haven't been remastered or offered by Nintendo at all since their release. I would never commit such a heinous crime if my life depended on it.
GingerOfMods: yeah ok, but don’t look down on me if i do it occasionally, but i also buy games
@@GingerOfOz lol I do
I fear many gods, but hopefully guardian of ancient game backups won’t see me sneaking around. God of finances knows I spent enough on the same Nintendo game everytime god of consoles releases a new product.
I'm okay with killing a few gods to get what I want
Seeing this makes me want Wii and GameCube virtual console on the Switch even more
You're amazing! Pretty generous to share the CAD file! I'm starting an epic quest to make my own portable Wii, thanks to people like yourself, G-man, Shankmods and many others! I'm feeling pretty inspired and terrified, thanks for that! I'm a fresh brain when it comes to circuits! I'm gonna start getting myself used to all this crazy stuff with modding my GBA with the IPS backlight and a lithium battery and see how that goes. I'll be posting a dev log on bit build eventually (I'll be buying the parts next month). Hopefully I'll one day be able to inspire people the way you inspired me. I've given myself 5 year limit to get myself up to speed with the Wii portable... Guess this is my life now.
Thanks for all the content, I wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't for all the amazing people at bit build, that includes you! If you've read this far, thanks for checking this space and thanks again for the amazing work!
If you made more than one... I would 100% buy it. It's actually amazing what people can do with Wiis, Gamecubes, *Wii U's* etc. really cool man!
I do sell commissions, so feel free to reach out to me through any of my social media.
GingerOfMods How much would one roughly cost
@@GingerOfOz what is your social media ?
@@GingerOfOz yes I'd like to know as well
@@Rebel-hn9ly It's in the description
This is some incredible work, nice job!
Woah nintedrew what are you doing here
Thanks man!
Hi nintendrew I love your videos
Nnnnn...... NINTENDREW! 😵
Hi Nintendrew.
Whenever I see these videos, I wish they were on sale at like, Best Buy and Something
You can buy it.
Eggsy clam down don’t need to toxic
@@FuturePresentPast-gl8he lmfao why you so mad
Eggsy chilllllllllllllll fam
@@FuturePresentPast-gl8he *c h i l l*
Man, this is so incredible. I would love to have something like this. Having a portable gamecube is like a dream
2:08
Very nice design. I'm sure people would love a similar style Nintendo release.
Thanks! Maybe someday we'll get a portable Wii in the "classic" design, but that'll be a few years off for sure.
@@GingerOfOz oh, I was talking about your artwork on the back. Needless to say the console itself looks great.
@@itsnottimetostop4462 Thanks! I too would love to see some Pikmin themed Nintendo consoles, almost as much as I want Pikmin 4...
@@GingerOfOz Not to worry, Pikmin 4 is almost finished
"Take official Backups of them like a honest, god fearing citizen"
And they laughed, and laughed, and laughed....
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I don't know how to backup using a Wii U and my Wii drive is broken so...
YARRRRR
I sent this video to a friend since this is so awesome.
Keep up the good work ginger!
One of the best looking diy consoles I've ever seen. I love the thumb sticks
5:30, automatic captions:
"I've had this cannabis baby sitting around for over a year"
Well ok then
Wiid
lmafooooo that actually made me laugh
Smoke up
Lolololol
He got the Nintendo switch lite early. Lucky
Shhhhh you'll get my uncle who works for Nintendo in trouble if they see this comment
GingerOfMods
N-N..Nephew?
This is better than switch lite tbh
@@davidorlando5031 you aren't wrong. The Switch Lite took the switch OUT OF THE SWITCH!
@@davidorlando5031 why?
you are incredible for your ability to do this, I enjoy seeing people like your ability on UA-cam post their passion of being capable.
0:20 that board cut..... Speechless
officially licensed back ups?! as an honest, God-fearing citizen, you have my subscription!
Thank you, fellow honest god-fearing citizen!
@@GingerOfOz Same here
What does that mean, "officially licensed backups"?
@@thebarbiter4644 I'm assuming it means actual game backups and not just some game file you found online.
It's not official or licensed. It's just a backup you make yourself.
So, a Switch Lite before the Switch Lite
The *Wii Lite*
Damn 1k, alright.
9/9/21: Yikes, lads are still commenting on this lmao
No the pii wii.
No
No because it plays wii and gamecube games
This is literally the Wii U but better...
@@Ryan-Bell .. the Wii U "BUT BETTER"
idk maybe a BETTER CONSOLE would be like the wii u but you can take it WHEREVER YOU GO
I was 4 when the GameCube came out and grew up with it. Even when I got a Wii in like 2008 when I was 11 I still played GameCube games nonstop. I miss them. I really wanna make a Wii portable someday. I'm starting slow with research for my first portable. I loved the video by the way. It looks awesome!
this video slaps and is exactly what i'm looking in for a portable. So thanks for showing me basic stuffs :D
2:53 "like an honest, god-fearing citizen"
i fear no gods **continues downloading isos off sites with multiple pop-up ads**
YOU FOOL
@@GingerOfOz Do you make other handhelds for other consoles? I'd like an Original Xbox handheld.
*laughs in vims lair/high speed internet & downloading at hours when it doesn't have heavy traffic
Xander T I get the ISO’s because I already have them on the wii so it’s fair. FEAR GOD
Great stuff dude! Great video of a fantastic portable :D
no u
@@GingerOfOz How does one make wii games backups
Great job! Sometimes I just search up wii portable or emulation handheld and zone out and watch the videos
I like these kinds of people who make on the go game consoles stuff it makes me actually wanting to have one
Sir, you made a fine piece of art. I applaud you.
Wow, this is actually amazing. Great form factor and design! Wonderful job! :D
Thanks man!
Not only this is one of the best things I've ever saw,
the video was released on my birthday was well.
I love how you did this video, not everyone encourages their viewers. I wish you the best in sales!
If you start to sell this, put me in the list.
If you have serious interest, then reach out to me through one of my social medias in the description. Just know that a portable is a very expensive purchase.
@@GingerOfOz how expensive is this one you say
@@Calvin.440 Quite expensive, more than $800
I am looking for someone like you to start a portable or console game business and let's do business and how next?
@@GingerOfOz what's the most expensive part?
If you really do make commissions of these, I'm 100% going to buy one in the future. Maybe half a year or so from now when I save up enough on the side to do it. Bookmarking this to remember. This is awesome by the way. On top of all the hard work making it, you did a good job on making it look cool as well!
Thank you man! Making it look cool is probably my favorite part, makes all the effort worth it in the end.
Bro the Louie art is great! Also fantastic portable! It’s so good!!
This is absolutely incredible! Well done man!
Nintendo, hire this man!
Yes
He's using Unreal Engine in anyway he can.
*@Stereo Monovici*
Nintendo: okey dokey, suing this man.
@austin velazquez
_"nintendo is barely surviving "_
Bullshit, they still have millions in their bank.
@austin velazquez
_"nintendo is barely surviving "_
Bullshit, they still have millions in their bank.
Thanks to your advice for getting into portabalizing. I spent the afternoon creating a portable version of the game boy advanced.
What you did in a day took Nintendo years. You are amazing.
GingerOfMods thx I’m thinking about trying my hand on making a portable Nintendo switch next.
@@voidinteractive9308 Lmao that's impossible😂
@@voidinteractive9308 Ha! What's next a portable PSP? Man please we're in 2019 not 2040
MisterFreezy Pop haha very funny I get it because the psp is already a portable system. Can you please take my technological advancements seriously. making a portable version of the ps vita is not as easy as it sounds.
ah man this is kinda perfect for what i wanna be able to make in the future. I wanna get into wii modding and the G-Boy seems to be a good starter maybe. and hopefully i can work towards something like this.
I just have to say - well done, that looks great, you managed to cram all that in to a low profile device. It looks awesome, like a commercial system!
I’d kill for one of those. It’s a blessing to 2000’s kids who grew up with the GCN and Wii.
For sure, my love of GameCube and Wii games is what got me into this in the first place.
Sucks for you. I grew up up all the game boys, nes, snes, Sega, n64, Sony playstation, xbox gamecube and ps2
@@mr.joshua204 dang you're cool
Easiest sub in a while, look forward to more content from you!
Thanks man, hope you enjoy what's to come!
I swear I just come to this video once in awhile just to see this beautiful portable
Could you do a step-by-step process on how to make a Louii?
Tutorial videos are something that I've considered and may do in the future. They are a lot of work, and part of the issue is that portablizing changes a lot, with new boards and methods being made multiple times a year so the info could become quickly outdated.
People are insanely talented be ing able to mod these things
Thanks man!
It’s EZ I did it with my switch now I play switch games and ps4 games
@@alimery07 Proof?
Playing Cow how am I supposed to proof it?
@@alimery07 Video. I also screeshot your comments incase you lied.
Nice video & Portable dude! Really enjoyed watching it - can't wait to play it ;-)
MGC 2020, be there or be lame!
Yeah Nold you left your portable at my house. He will miss you if you don't show up. ;)
Even years later this Videos are still epic
A truly impressive build! Two thumbs up!
Nintendo: “ok we need to make the wii 3 dvd boxes high...this is going to be hard”
This guy: “Lol tiny handheld wii”
To be fair to Nintendo, if I had to build a disc drive into this thing it would be an absolute clunkfest.
I needs moar.. Seriously though, it looks great, and I'm looking forward to seeing you do more in the future
Thanks!
You can tell this guy is genuinely a good person. Subscribed.
this dude beat sunshine and started up mario party 5 right after, i like this guy
Also did this man just make a whole new console (this man is a legend)
The new Switch Online service looks great!
Oh boy
This looks incredible man great job!!!!!!
this is really dope, not gonna lie, this is like The vita mixed with the wii but more awesomer, props to you
Finally, a real control stick, not just a 3DS circle pad
This is probably the best wii portable I’ve seen (only second to the kill mii bc its impossible to replicate such perfection)
Jk, it’s gorgeous i want one aaaaaaaasdfggh
Thanks man! The advantage to my portable over the KillMii is that it brings happiness and joy, rather than self loathing and hatred for the world.
@@GingerOfOz You're not wrong
The killmii only lasts 10 mins
@@ShankMods Shank stop bullying my fans and go work on those joycons you oaf
@@ShankMods damn literal shanking up in here.
holy crap for your first video edited and filmed like this you are incredibly good at it
almost a million views on your second ever video is insane!
Great video, awesome console and hilarious commentary!
If Nintendo created this I will buy it and if you sell it too.
Great video! You inspired me to do one as well. Subscribed!
Awesome, good luck with your build! I hope to see your project in the future.
This is super rad!
great job!
kinda considering doing something like this...
This looks so clean
What software was he using at 0:56 ? Been trying to hack my Wii but kept running into issues with USB loadergx.
Check out a software called PortablizeMii. It's intended for portable consoles, but it works just fine on home Wiis. I really like it because I can boot all of my games from a single menu more or less without having to navigate from the Wii menu.
Now please make a Nintendo Switch lite portable!
Oh wait...
Congratulations! You are the first person to make this joke in the comments section!
@@GingerOfOz thx! I just copied this comment from a portable GameCube which looks like an eggplant lol.
Lmao. Yeah then make a portable 3ds
@@ron.hertzberg make a psp portable too!
Endersheep ちゃんです PPSP (Portable PlayStation Portable)
Imagine if portable consoles were made like this... Man, it's such a masterpiece, keep doing the good work!
That is a great one, lad. Even keeping the motherboard that way without cutting can be a difficult to hold and play version. Element 14 loves to do this so I think everyone should give Element 14 their Nintendo Wii's and Wii U's as the option.
The switch lite should have this capability. Excellent work 👍🏻 you’re a mad scientist.
Thanks man!
If you were at all worried about your editing/video making skills, you shouldn't be! This is a phenomenal and hilarious video and an even more amazing creation!
Thanks man, I'm glad to hear the effort was worth it.
Very well done! And thanks for the pikmin nostalgia 7:26. One of the best series and soundtracks of all time
Thanks! Glad to see another fan of the Pikmin series, may Pikmin 4 be announced soon.
I really hope so! We are in desperate need of a new one
This is beautiful.... I tried building a portable on a gameboy shell for emulation a few years ago. Sadly i struggled with feeding all the components at once properly and it didn't boot. I might come back to the project some day.
Next up: the Oliimar
Not entirely sure what it's going to look like, but it'll happen someday...
GingerOfMods maybe a circular console with an outer translucent layer and there’s a rod on the top containing the LED
@@FireBlades Would definitely be cute, sounds kinda like the KopPad in Pikmin 3 but round
"which is more than my switch can say" Nintendo"hold my joy-cons"
amazing job mate looks so good!
Gotta say I like the layout of this better than the gameboy version you did. Nice work. My kids would love this.
I've seen veterans with more resources make less. You're definitely in the right field dude. Keep them coming man!
Thank you! I will definitely keep making more projects like this.
Literally would ask genie to grant me one wish: being able to built this stuff myself! Kudos!!!
With a phone and a controller attachment you could do this for alot cheaper and easier with emulation.
Keep up with this great content!
Dude you are a freaking genius id love this idk what all systems you can do but this is great keep doing this and never show your face lol
it’s like we are living the past in the future!!!
can u imagine if we could make this 15 years ago
Uh the wii wasn't out 15 years ago
@@ThatGuyLegend i think he means when it came out in 2006
@General Jiggler only If you added the cd reader bc at the time there wasnt programs to run iso
I have been inspired. Time to make a case for the Wii made out of cardboard.
Amazing work!
"Why isn't there Gamecube Virtual console on Switch Lite"
About that
"I am the GameCube virtual console"
wii u works game cube inject games
Truthfully, there's no GameCube games on the Switch because it just doesn't have the power to emulate a GameCube properly while running on HorizonOS. Even on a more efficient OS such as various builds of Linux, emulation of Wii and GameCube games isn't perfect, even running on Dolphin, the best GC/Wii emulator period. Even Nintendo can only optimize emulation so much, especially for a console like the GameCube, so if we ever do get GameCube games on the Switch, it will be on a Switch Pro of some kind.
daffy duck it’s entirely possible to do cloud emulation of the GC and higher to send to the switch, also if they do first party titles they can re export and optimize for switch, not impossible with the hardware given to have a good experience. They did it to major Wii U titles, we can only hope they do to previous ones
@@jacqueshilo250 The problem is Nintendo hasn't brought game streaming to the west for obvious reasons. We can't stream video games well enough because our infrastructure is lacking. I highly doubt they kept any source code for GC games, but it might be possible to have the games in FS format and run that way, but then you have to make a game specific emulator settings configuration for every one and I doubt Nintendo is willing to do that on a machine like the Switch, which can't emulate the GC at full speed for the vast majority of games.
Nintendo: we have a Nintendo switch lite.
GingerOfMods: hold my tea please.
Finally, someone recognizes that I'm under 21 and don't have beer
This is an example of a very underrated channel
7:43 still no Kirby's Air ride on switch
Ginger: *Ill do it myself then*