The one part I found missing is about TW3 silos. While GDI tries to contain toxic fumes, Nod pays no attention to that at all, having their silos extrude green "smoke" like alien pope has been choosen.
I suspect this is intentional on the part of GDI / Nod. These fumes are likely to cause the proliferation of Tiberium via small particles of the crystal in the fumes. For GDI, this is a very bad thing. For Nod, a fitting tribute to Kane.
The GDI refinery also lets loose the tiberium fumes, unlike the silos. The Scrin is the cleanest - they don't have fumes, but something more like a gaseous form of tiberium that is similar to the gases emanating from the raw crystals in the fields.
Yes, but Scrin can harvest Tiberium endlessly and without the EVA annoying you to start building silos... But in the end of the day yeah, it's just like how the humans do it...
When I was a kid I wondered what happened to my home country in the tiberium universe... Then I found out why it's called that way and my italian heart broke.
I feel sorry for you man. Well, if you want vengeance, there is more than enough places in GDI army divisions killing the Scrin who are the ones responsible for the whole Tiberium mess in the first place
I would say a third party likely funded by Nod is why both GDI and Nod have the exact same equipment. It would be the same as US and UK going to war but both having Apple devices.
If you watch the opening cutscene(s) of starting a new game in Tiberian dawn, it will say on the 6'th screen "new tiberium harvesting method instituted by nod increased profitability by 49%" (the screen shows the first generation of harvesters) Therefore I believe Jetlihd is right then he suggested GDI and NOD engaged in espionage, stealing the technology from one another (In order to access it, press the "start new game" button on the main menu and DONT touch anything else)
@@Jethild There is Twisted Insurrection. A mod that tells the story of an alternate timeline where GDI lost to NOD. There is a faction there known as Globotech, a corporation that has been funding both sides since the 1st Tiberium war.
@@carlgman7420 if you go further back to the other pre Tib-war era they mention that due to NOD working behind the scenes they ensured all future factions would use tech developed by them so they could make more money off of the wars this is seen uptil the end of redalert 2 when both sides use the same refining ideas even though they have different tech in other places
"It looks like a large beetle" Well knowing Nod and Kane's knowledge of the Scrin, it is really possible the original harvesters are based of the Scrin and that GDI stole the plans from Nod...
I doubt that Kane knew the technical details of the Scrin harvesters. Nevertheless, I am sure that Nod, as the pro-Tiberium faction, developed industrial Tiberium harvesting.
Despite the Scrin knowing Kane, the Prophet doesn't seem to know that much about the aliens, that's why he searches the Tacitus, and even his "scrin" spaceships (the one from Renegade and the one from TibSun) pale in comparison to the real ones
"most significantly the first, second and third Tiberium Wars." "What about the Fourth Tiberium War?" "Shut up! That one didn't happen!" Also very much enjoying some good Tiberium lore.
Good, You're finally awake! Gotta watch out for those sonics GDI keeps using next time, alright? What's that? Fourth Tiberium war? Crawlers? The return of the Scrin? Brother, the Scrin just got here from those meteors falling from space! Thought GDI was going to wipe us off the face of the planet when they activated their Ion cannon. We have to move otherwise those bugs will get you too!
@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 plus he's got a lot of intresting niche things and I love when he does Necron vids and the all the types of moments vids
1:55 There is a cutscene in C&C1 that indicates Nod at least was pioneering that technology, and that implies they were the ones that developed the Harvesters we see in the first game. It shows the C&C1 Harvester, with a voiceover saying "new tiberium harvesting methods instituted by the brotherhood of nod have increased profitability by 49%"
"Though the Scrin proved themselves superior in the ways of Tiberium, UNFORTUNATELY, that alone was not enough to prevent their defeat by the human forces" Scrin sympathizer detected
Drawn in by the signal of a world ripe with Tiberium for harvest, they instead found themeselves stranded on a Planet armed to the teeth with decades long expirience in Tiberium Warfare. They never stood a chance...
@@lamehick7511 I think everyone's forgetting the scrin fought in tiberium wars were just a mining fleet, and even then they were pretty even in strength compared to actual human militaries (if you use the balance between the 3 factions in the game itself as a reference)
@@jimjohn1740 yes, thats what I said. They got lured by the prospect of an undeffended world, ripe with tiberium. Instead they found themeselves played by a human/demigod, lost their moment of surprise, got beaten to hell and back by both factions and utterly failed in taking any bridging point for a full scale military invasion. They blew it all Textbook military failure. If the Scrin only send out even a recon instead of just come crashing to their onevitable doom, they might have had a chance.
@@lamehick7511 sadly enough we never come to know what happens to the scrin after C&C 3 as EA threw the entire story out the window, turned kane into an alien and made the game about him getting off the planet instead of, evolving humans with help of tiberium and fighting off the incoming scrin war fleet which the overlord of scrin had ordered to destroy earth at the end of Scrin campaign.
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The one step you left out is that the ultimate fate of most tiberium (at least the stuff used by humans) is to be broken down yet further so that the various elements it has absorbed can be extracted for use. This is what some of the buproduct of tiberium refining is: raw tiberium crystal slag containing whatever chemicals can’t be extracted or aren’t considered useful enough. The Scrin may do this as well, but they also use tiberium itself as a building material for most of their technology.
@@ayoutubecommenter1827 EA has a meaning in my country called "Elektronische Abzocke" translated "Electronic scam" since they get nothing done right without youself having to pay a ton of money and even then its medicore, exampel? Fifa, literaly the same game with major patches and updates every year and no game stat transfer from game to game
I'm pretty sure the "Renegade-Harvester" looks more blocky to keep the polygon-count low, ^^ The reason the harvesters of GDI and NOD are the same vehicles has propably to do with keeping game balance simple, so both fations have been provided with identical economical structures. And also because the devs were lazy, because they still could have made different looking models. ;D The use of different harvesting units started with Red Alert 2.
Lore wise, in the early Tiberium games, NOD developed the technology for harvesting and refining Tiberium first. It makes sense that early GDI Tiberium refining methods are similar because they stole/reverse-engineered from NOD design. Then, as GDI realized the negative aspects of Tiberium, they experimented with and developed "cleaner" methods of refining, in an attempt to reduce the environmental and humanitarian risks.
@@GloomGaiGar game development and lore timeline are two different things don't assume they are the same, and they are correct Red Alert 2 takes place during a different timeline, one that separates itself from the Tiberium timeline as evidence with GDI getting the Mammoth tanks which were a part of the Soviets arsenal in Red Alert 1 that were replaced with the Apocalypse Tanks in Red Alert 2.
my theory is that Scrin extractors simply teleport molten tiberium into a local planetary hub and when they need to build stuff the main hub is the one that transforms tiberium into whatever they need and teleports the final product back.
Scrin ultimately lost the war because the initial force was not a military but a harvesting operation. it makes sense that the number of military assets was minimal and only used as a sort of Security force rather than an army per se.
I really enjoyed this video, especially the in-depth look at each step of the refining process in Renegade, I never knew that thing about the barrels of waste products. I like your idea that the barrels might be buried like toxic/radioactive waste, and inadvertently give rise to new Tiberium patches. I also enjoyed you pointing out the different details of the GDI and Nod refining processes in C&C3. Although I dislike how EA changed the nature of Tiberium in C&C3, I thought it was otherwise a brilliant game, and I loved the great attention to detail within the game. It's really cool how the GDI harvester compresses the Tiberium into rods that are dropped into tubes, while the Nod refinery just sucks up all the Tiberium out of the harvester through big hoses that you can see shaking during the transfer process, and then from the main vat into the 2 storage containers.
the 4th skrimish cant be called war, u have no army, base or even defense structures! only 20 troops which are less worth than a bunch of rocket troopers and this useless crawler thing that with all his massiv appearance has not a singel weapon or good armor, basicly a MCV in x10 size with the ability to build weak troops instead of a base
This is one of the best C&C lore videos on UA-cam. I’ve rarely seen anything as in-depth. Most people would just paraphrase the wiki but this has interpretations based upon the vague showing and not telling that C&C does. You’re a thinker.
Out of all resources Tiberium are very eldritch in its nature, its like a mocking and disgusting impression of a plant life and while the most precious resource but at the same time it has to be remove like a malignant tumors, the duality of these tiberium is what made it special
So why is it so valuable? If you can't use it for anything beyond growing more Tiberium unless broken down at an atomic level, and there is so much of it, it should be worth pennies to a hundred gallons of liquid Tiberium by the third war, if there IS a use for them in the first place.
Okay, but... What is the tiberium used for? Iron and copper gets used for raw materials, gold is just shiny but it's rare enough to make artificial value out of it, and silver has some other decorative and functional uses that doesn't quite spring to mind at the moment. When tiberium is turned into ingots, what is it used for? It's not rare enough to have artificial value like gold or silver, plus it's extremely toxic to humans. It isn't used for raw material like iron, copper, or other materials. There's sending it off to research labs sure, but after a while I feel like scientists are just going to have warehouses full of the stuff that they don't need to do any further research with, plus it doesn't yield any monetary profit back the way the other materials might so that investors are more likely to continue funding for it.
Whatever you want to mine at your figure tips that would crash any market ore, gems you name it. Besides gold and silver are used heavily in electronics so that could be a solid reason why C&C 2020 is so advanced... Well, that and the planet becoming dangerous to humans again. Also to can refine it down more to the base materials.
The second gen Harvesters appear to be based on a cotton picker, pods are funneled toward the pipes that carry crystals into the tank while chaff from the pods is filtered and ejected. Another key difference that while terrestrial crops required care, the more brute-force method of shovelling simply helped to break up Tiberium crystals and dislodge them from the pods.
not surprising because the mechanics of the game was just that good, i never got into the lore until the scrin was pushed back by the end of the third tiberium war. i also like how tiberium itself evolved from semi organic parasitic crystal to alien terraforming agent when during the second tiberium war, back when darth vader was the head of GDI.
Noooooon way you received this much subscribers in 1 month! I was the one that always commented on your videos but i know you won’t see this cuz you have 200+ comments! I’m truly amazed finally people are understanding how underrated you are...i hope you remember me and if u didn’t... just see any video of your and you’ll see me on the comments... congrats!
Thank you for giving these games the attention they deserve. As a long time rts fan, growing up with it. I enjoyed played games such as, tiberium wars, kane's wrath, generals, generals zero hour, red alert 2 and yuri's revenge (yuri for best army) as well as others. If you'd like to know more underrated games, then look into these. Supreme commander. Supreme commander forged allegiance. Generals zero hour. Spellforce 2. Original war.
Honestly, I had no clue what this game was. I just wanted to click because the title and image looked cool. So, I know what I'm getting for my next game. Thank you for introducing me to a new game!
Just finished watching all of the Tiberium Wars faction profiles & this, love the content, instantly subbed. Thank you for making this and I look forward to more videos about the CnC universe. A deep dive into who Kane is and how old he really is + ties to the Scrin would be interesting...
Hey man, I've been watching your videos for abit, and only now I notice you have only 4 digit subs. (so high chance you will see). I just wanted to say, when I was playing the games long time ago, this is exactly the content I was looking for on you tube, but no one was doing these lore and explanation videos about CnC Tiberium series, at the time. So, yeah, I love your videos, keep it up!
This is some highly polished and slick content about Tiberium universe. I always considered it highly niche and for more "scientifically" interested gamers. I was watching a lot of different channels and you bring a lot of new perspective on the whole lore. Well deserved sub and likes.
@@vatz1151 Tiberian Twilight, it’s the game that comes after C&C3 Tiberium Wars and Kane’s Wrath. The plot is terrible tho but it’s the conclusion of the story
Pretty certain NOD invented the first methods of harvesting and processing and GDI stole it early on. NOD can build refinery on mission 2 of the first campaign while GDI doesnt get the ability until mission 3 after the beachhead mission 2 where GDI cant build a refinary but the mission is based on a NOD refinary in the opening cutscene.
@@m.adrian what are you talking about. There's no fourth tiberium game. Only three are Canon. (I know about it.. they fucked it up so bad, that many fans ignore it even existed. Even feigning amnesia so that they won't think about it. Also the fourth game wasn't suppose to be a tiberium game. It was a completely different game for some mobile Chinese market. But EA decided to slap the tiberium name on it, for a shitty money grab. I hate EA so much)
It's great you're doing lore on the C&C universe, especially Tiberium. I congratulate you for not including Tiberian Twilight for it is no true Tiberium story. Keep it up. Would you also do the Red Alert universe?
@@Jethild Nice to do the Generals universe as well. Not the best and I may not like it's outcome, but still had fun with it. Let me ask this: even though it isn't part of the lore, but have you seen or played some C&C mods?
@@NegiTaiMetal011 I haven't played any C&C mods but I do know about the existence of some of the more well known ones like Twisted Insurrection, Mental Omega, and Rise of the Reds. And I have had a few people asking me if I've considered covering them (specifically Twisted Insurrection) and I might do so after I get through most of the official canon.
@@Jethild Hard to say if they are considered canon. But it's up to you. Or maybe you can put up a separate lore about it. Just a suggestion. While I do know Mental Omega and Rise of the Reds, there's also CNC Fallout, Deep Impact/European Conflict, Tiberium Essence, and Generals Shockwave.
There is a dam bug during gameplay for players acting as NOD and creating factions of NOD that harvesters normally went to idle mode while harvesting the crystals over the field. To overcome this, players need to manually reset harvesting orders to NOD harvesters.
There is honestly so much to the command and conquer stories that they could make a really good series or series of movies if they stuck to the source material
The most op part about the scrin is that tiberium is healthy for them while its super dangerous for humans... also the scrin extractor probably just extracts the tiberium to the ichor hub since they dont use silos i think this is the reason they are named the extractors
19:47 Has anyone noticed the blue crate in the middle-left of the scene here. One is imprinted with a GDI logo, but the crate above it has a different bird based logo. Looks similar to the USA logo from Generals.
You can find ruined humvee wrecks that are just USA Humvees with upscaled textures too. I know they're meant to be from the earlier Tib Wars and they just reused an asset, but I thought it was interesting nonetheless.
Awesome video. Only thing is I would have liked a bit more explanation as to what exactly makes Tiberium valuable. I think I remember reading somewhere that it’s unstable nature makes it able to be converted into any mineral? Unsure. Would have liked a bit more info there. Otherwise - dope video !
Dude when i saw this video poping up in my recommendation i had a punch of nostalgia like...wtf i remambered when i was a kid like 6 looking my dad pc and seeing the cd of this game hahaha
How are the similar harvesters such a mystery when the second mission of the GDI campaign was explicitly to capture a NOD refinery to learn it's technology?
The second mission does not explicitly require you to capture the NoD refinery. The objective is to capture or destroy all Nod buildings. In the debriefing before the mission starts, the GDI soldier simply says the reason Nod had the beach bottled up was because they were protecting a refinery that intelligence had missed and that they need reinforcements in order to knockout the refinery and destroy the base.
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As Diogenes said, Tiberium Twilight is generally not accepted as canon by the CnC community. I'm not gonna completely rule out the possibility of covering any lore in that game but I would definitely treat it as separate from the main timeline. And there is still a lot I want to cover in the main timeline anyway.
that execuse of 4th skrimish(war) dont belongs nor deserves the titel of C&C and as to be treated as a non C&C game the natural follower is C&C 3: Incursion which was never finished because EA is useless trash
Yay a modern C&C lore channel! Also, it could be that the Renegade refinery is supposed to connect to the grates on the front corners of the tank of the harvester... Could you do up to the events of twilight? I really liked that post-Tib war 3 stuff up to the crawlers being made you know before we all played C$C 4. Realised it was a reskinned Chinese market ESports game.
The Scrinn's accelerators are interesting as they actually give a significant boost, you may not be able to capture them but keeping them around is beneficial as if you have a well guarded tib field, then you wont have to worry about your harvesters going far Also a lesser known fact, without command and conquer/tiberium we wouldn't get Metroid prime However Metroid gave conclusion to not-tiberium, but damn Phaase looks terrifiying and cool even if it was so damn linear
@@Gothic7876 OH yea, I forget about that too, which the prime series made me open my mind to the concept of a Sentient planet like how the fuck does that work out.
I also believe that the Scrin force that was sent to Earth was only a harvesting patrol. I find it unlikely that GDI or Nod could defeat them even with their building and military technology otherwise.
Aye. It's kinda similar to a mining station setup on a primitive civ in Stellaris. There's not much 'military' there, compared to an actual military force of an interstellar empire.
The way I always saw the scrim was that the units and structures themselves were the silos. Everything had Tiberium embedded in it and so there was no further need.
As someone who didn't grow up with C&C, when I hear "westwood" I instead think of the Kyrandia series. A point and click adventure set of games. In particular, I think of Hand of Fate, the second game in the series.
I think Scrin Extractors shouldn't of had a havester. I feel their extractor should of been place near it and used subterranean veins to absorb Tiberian giving a constant supply of funds... Not sure why they'd need funds... Bio mass perhaps?
You forgot that nod silos in tib war 3 have that vent which seems to expel tiberium gas, meaning they probably propagate it! You also forgot to mention the Reaper version of the growth accelerator, which doubles as a Tiberium spike!
Found your channel earlier today, and am loving these lore videos! Will we see any videos for factions from the other Command and Conquer series like Red Alert and Generals?
I think the Harvesting method was first created by Nod and Nod support the harvesting method for GDI and other for the funding, cause the first Tiberium was start in 2019, that is quit a long time after 1995 since first Tiberium arrive to earth
The one part I found missing is about TW3 silos. While GDI tries to contain toxic fumes, Nod pays no attention to that at all, having their silos extrude green "smoke" like alien pope has been choosen.
Ah yes, a very good point that I overlooked.
I suspect this is intentional on the part of GDI / Nod. These fumes are likely to cause the proliferation of Tiberium via small particles of the crystal in the fumes. For GDI, this is a very bad thing. For Nod, a fitting tribute to Kane.
The GDI refinery also lets loose the tiberium fumes, unlike the silos. The Scrin is the cleanest - they don't have fumes, but something more like a gaseous form of tiberium that is similar to the gases emanating from the raw crystals in the fields.
That's one way of putting it...
How do you say "Habemus papam" in Klingon?... 🤣
@@louievelayo4100 according to DuckDuckGo, it’s ‘nuH be' vISov!’
GDI: "Why don't we just take the tiberium...and push it somewhere else?"
NOD: **viciously snorting tiberium dust**
"the scrins method of harvesting tiberium made ours look primitive!"
>harvester gets tiberium, takes it to refinery
Yes, but Scrin can harvest Tiberium endlessly and without the EVA annoying you to start building silos...
But in the end of the day yeah, it's just like how the humans do it...
The towers they made are harvesters too.
that dawn greedy use in farming quickly
@@louievelayo4100 if you're constantly being pestered to build silos, you're not building enough units
@@GloomGaiGar or you don’t have enough silos
When I was a kid I wondered what happened to my home country in the tiberium universe... Then I found out why it's called that way and my italian heart broke.
I’m sorry. 💔
Darn
I was so surprised that the GDI commando mission in the first game actually took place in Czechia, Ostrava, my home country/town
I feel sorry for you man.
Well, if you want vengeance, there is more than enough places in GDI army divisions killing the Scrin who are the ones responsible for the whole Tiberium mess in the first place
Italia became a red zone i believe.
The possibility of nostalgia are limitless
The best comment i have seen in a while.
I cry when I read your comment
Great comment! Wish I had thought of it.
Damn, I can hear this comment
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I need MOAR LORE.
And silos.
SiL0s nEEdeD!
MORE ORE LORE!
*YOU MUST CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS!*
Oh wait...
@@plcinto4042 "we don't do that here"
You must construct additional- oh.
Wrong one. XD
I would say a third party likely funded by Nod is why both GDI and Nod have the exact same equipment.
It would be the same as US and UK going to war but both having Apple devices.
Good point. It could also be a combination of the two.
If you watch the opening cutscene(s) of starting a new game in Tiberian dawn, it will say on the 6'th screen "new tiberium harvesting method instituted by nod increased profitability by 49%" (the screen shows the first generation of harvesters)
Therefore I believe Jetlihd is right then he suggested GDI and NOD engaged in espionage, stealing the technology from one another
(In order to access it, press the "start new game" button on the main menu and DONT touch anything else)
@@Jethild
There is Twisted Insurrection. A mod that tells the story of an alternate timeline where GDI lost to NOD. There is a faction there known as Globotech, a corporation that has been funding both sides since the 1st Tiberium war.
@@carlgman7420 if you go further back to the other pre Tib-war era they mention that due to NOD working behind the scenes they ensured all future factions would use tech developed by them so they could make more money off of the wars this is seen uptil the end of redalert 2 when both sides use the same refining ideas even though they have different tech in other places
@@Jethild Didn't GDI just steal Nod refinery to reverse-engineer in the second mission of Tiberian Dawn?
"It looks like a large beetle"
Well knowing Nod and Kane's knowledge of the Scrin, it is really possible the original harvesters are based of the Scrin and that GDI stole the plans from Nod...
I always thought the harvester was very Nod looking. Makes more sense since Nod industrialized harvesting and GDI followed suit.
I doubt that Kane knew the technical details of the Scrin harvesters. Nevertheless, I am sure that Nod, as the pro-Tiberium faction, developed industrial Tiberium harvesting.
Meta reason: it's based off spice harvesters from Dune.
Despite the Scrin knowing Kane, the Prophet doesn't seem to know that much about the aliens, that's why he searches the Tacitus, and even his "scrin" spaceships (the one from Renegade and the one from TibSun) pale in comparison to the real ones
"most significantly the first, second and third Tiberium Wars."
"What about the Fourth Tiberium War?"
"Shut up! That one didn't happen!"
Also very much enjoying some good Tiberium lore.
Meanwhile in Command & Conquer 3: Incursion
Good, You're finally awake! Gotta watch out for those sonics GDI keeps using next time, alright?
What's that? Fourth Tiberium war? Crawlers? The return of the Scrin?
Brother, the Scrin just got here from those meteors falling from space! Thought GDI was going to wipe us off the face of the planet when they activated their Ion cannon. We have to move otherwise those bugs will get you too!
We don't talk about the Fourth Tiberium War... #heresy
You know the rules and so do I!
@@onyx9943 There is no Forth Tiberian War to speak of, Brother.
Hmm just like how Leutin/Baldermort/Arch is the loremaster for 40k , you are the new loremaster for Tiberium, subbed brother
I like Majorkill more cause he has a sense of humor
Arch was only popular because nobody else was around for the longest time. He's still better than another certain 40k channel though.
@@chrisestabrooks8197 Goated
@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 plus he's got a lot of intresting niche things and I love when he does Necron vids and the all the types of moments vids
@@chrisestabrooks8197 I like his paraphrasing the best
"What about the 4th Tiberium War?"
C&C fan: "we don't talk about it"
"Didn't that happen as well?"
C&C fan "WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT!"
what is this 4th tiberium war? Can i eat that?
@@lucusvanbeek3309 its a bad fanficiton game made by scammers they only released a trailer altho there are rumors about cnc 4 but that's just rumors
they're no location tube fuel rod of tiberium on a glass building
Heretic!
CnC fan : we don't do that here
1:55 There is a cutscene in C&C1 that indicates Nod at least was pioneering that technology, and that implies they were the ones that developed the Harvesters we see in the first game. It shows the C&C1 Harvester, with a voiceover saying "new tiberium harvesting methods instituted by the brotherhood of nod have increased profitability by 49%"
Good point.
"Discovered by the Brotherhood, that is. And I named it after Tiberius Julius Caesar."
- Kane
This one thought it was named for the river Tiberius, that the first of the Tiberium landed / was found in?
@@hdezn26 NOD propaganda, that is. It's named after the river
@@tawnykyle-cm5eq wrong Caesar, mate
The B R U H of a man no Kane knew about tiberium long before mankind had existed.
tawnykyle no Kane knew about it way before ignatious mobius was even born
So much dedication for just a resource in a strategic simulation game. This is why I love C&C universe.
"Though the Scrin proved themselves superior in the ways of Tiberium, UNFORTUNATELY, that alone was not enough to prevent their defeat by the human forces"
Scrin sympathizer detected
Drawn in by the signal of a world ripe with Tiberium for harvest, they instead found themeselves stranded on a Planet armed to the teeth with decades long expirience in Tiberium Warfare.
They never stood a chance...
@@lamehick7511 I think everyone's forgetting the scrin fought in tiberium wars were just a mining fleet, and even then they were pretty even in strength compared to actual human militaries (if you use the balance between the 3 factions in the game itself as a reference)
@@jimjohn1740 yes, thats what I said. They got lured by the prospect of an undeffended world, ripe with tiberium. Instead they found themeselves played by a human/demigod, lost their moment of surprise, got beaten to hell and back by both factions and utterly failed in taking any bridging point for a full scale military invasion. They blew it all Textbook military failure. If the Scrin only send out even a recon instead of just come crashing to their onevitable doom, they might have had a chance.
@@lamehick7511 sadly enough we never come to know what happens to the scrin after C&C 3 as EA threw the entire story out the window, turned kane into an alien and made the game about him getting off the planet instead of, evolving humans with help of tiberium and fighting off the incoming scrin war fleet which the overlord of scrin had ordered to destroy earth at the end of Scrin campaign.
@@m-w-y7325 True. But as long as we all agree that C&C 4 was Scrin propaganda, everything is ok 🤗
Before viewing: Alright, let's see if we got the proper lore here... *skips through video progress bar to see preview screen - sees no footage here*
Good, we have a proper C&C lore video! You're worth a watch :)
The one step you left out is that the ultimate fate of most tiberium (at least the stuff used by humans) is to be broken down yet further so that the various elements it has absorbed can be extracted for use. This is what some of the buproduct of tiberium refining is: raw tiberium crystal slag containing whatever chemicals can’t be extracted or aren’t considered useful enough.
The Scrin may do this as well, but they also use tiberium itself as a building material for most of their technology.
I love the three tiberium wars. Maybe one day we'll get a fourth one
I will say this about Twilight. It has some really good music, though probably not in the same vein as previous games'.
Unfortunately EA killed it off forever.
@@adamofblastworks1517 We dont talk here about that execuse of a 4th tiberium war, its a failure of EA and I refuse to acknowledge it as a C&C game
@@ayoutubecommenter1827 EA has a meaning in my country called "Elektronische Abzocke" translated "Electronic scam" since they get nothing done right without youself having to pay a ton of money and even then its medicore, exampel? Fifa, literaly the same game with major patches and updates every year and no game stat transfer from game to game
@@m.adrian Yeah, no comment on the gameplay, but I still like the music. Especially the main menu theme.
Mad respect for using Tiberian Sun music in your movies. One of the best video game OSTs ever.
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I'm pretty sure the "Renegade-Harvester" looks more blocky to keep the polygon-count low, ^^
The reason the harvesters of GDI and NOD are the same vehicles has propably to do with keeping game balance simple, so both fations have been provided with identical economical structures. And also because the devs were lazy, because they still could have made different looking models. ;D
The use of different harvesting units started with Red Alert 2.
that last line, while true, is irrelevant to the topic of "Tiberium harvesting" discussed in the video. Red Alert takes place in a different timeline.
Same models likely saved data space on what was very limited space for the games. Old cnc games had to work around storage limitations.
@@ideallyyours it's relevant in the context of the timeline of game development
Lore wise, in the early Tiberium games, NOD developed the technology for harvesting and refining Tiberium first. It makes sense that early GDI Tiberium refining methods are similar because they stole/reverse-engineered from NOD design.
Then, as GDI realized the negative aspects of Tiberium, they experimented with and developed "cleaner" methods of refining, in an attempt to reduce the environmental and humanitarian risks.
@@GloomGaiGar game development and lore timeline are two different things don't assume they are the same, and they are correct Red Alert 2 takes place during a different timeline, one that separates itself from the Tiberium timeline as evidence with GDI getting the Mammoth tanks which were a part of the Soviets arsenal in Red Alert 1 that were replaced with the Apocalypse Tanks in Red Alert 2.
my theory is that Scrin extractors simply teleport molten tiberium into a local planetary hub and when they need to build stuff the main hub is the one that transforms tiberium into whatever they need and teleports the final product back.
Scrin ultimately lost the war because the initial force was not a military but a harvesting operation. it makes sense that the number of military assets was minimal and only used as a sort of Security force rather than an army per se.
This was such a wave of nostalgia - I cannot wait for a Command and Conquer 4
Dont. you. dare.
Sadly it was canceled
what C&C 4? to my knowledge after C&C 3 Tiberium wars comes C&C 3: Incursion
@@m.adrian This is a safe space, it cant hurt us anymore. Although my eyesight may never recover
I really enjoyed this video, especially the in-depth look at each step of the refining process in Renegade, I never knew that thing about the barrels of waste products. I like your idea that the barrels might be buried like toxic/radioactive waste, and inadvertently give rise to new Tiberium patches. I also enjoyed you pointing out the different details of the GDI and Nod refining processes in C&C3. Although I dislike how EA changed the nature of Tiberium in C&C3, I thought it was otherwise a brilliant game, and I loved the great attention to detail within the game. It's really cool how the GDI harvester compresses the Tiberium into rods that are dropped into tubes, while the Nod refinery just sucks up all the Tiberium out of the harvester through big hoses that you can see shaking during the transfer process, and then from the main vat into the 2 storage containers.
the 4th skrimish cant be called war, u have no army, base or even defense structures! only 20 troops which are less worth than a bunch of rocket troopers and this useless crawler thing that with all his massiv appearance has not a singel weapon or good armor, basicly a MCV in x10 size with the ability to build weak troops instead of a base
This is one of the best C&C lore videos on UA-cam. I’ve rarely seen anything as in-depth. Most people would just paraphrase the wiki but this has interpretations based upon the vague showing and not telling that C&C does. You’re a thinker.
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Out of all resources Tiberium are very eldritch in its nature, its like a mocking and disgusting impression of a plant life and while the most precious resource but at the same time it has to be remove like a malignant tumors, the duality of these tiberium is what made it special
yeap they're crystal is self-replicating
So why is it so valuable? If you can't use it for anything beyond growing more Tiberium unless broken down at an atomic level, and there is so much of it, it should be worth pennies to a hundred gallons of liquid Tiberium by the third war, if there IS a use for them in the first place.
AdamofBlastWorks tiberium is an extremely rich material you know it's not actually worth pennies.
@@pioneer5400 no. I don't know. As far as I know it just keeps self replicating, even in bar form.
AdamofBlastWorks you should read the wiki on tiberium and you will know.
"How does the excess Tiberium get from the refinery to the silos?"
"A series of tubes..."
*nods thoughtfully*
I think that’s the industry term for it. 🤔
You are my favorite command and conquer lore Master I am learning each day that things that I never knew of
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Okay, but... What is the tiberium used for? Iron and copper gets used for raw materials, gold is just shiny but it's rare enough to make artificial value out of it, and silver has some other decorative and functional uses that doesn't quite spring to mind at the moment. When tiberium is turned into ingots, what is it used for? It's not rare enough to have artificial value like gold or silver, plus it's extremely toxic to humans. It isn't used for raw material like iron, copper, or other materials. There's sending it off to research labs sure, but after a while I feel like scientists are just going to have warehouses full of the stuff that they don't need to do any further research with, plus it doesn't yield any monetary profit back the way the other materials might so that investors are more likely to continue funding for it.
I’m pretty sure it’s a energy resource
Whatever you want to mine at your figure tips that would crash any market ore, gems you name it. Besides gold and silver are used heavily in electronics so that could be a solid reason why C&C 2020 is so advanced... Well, that and the planet becoming dangerous to humans again. Also to can refine it down more to the base materials.
The production quality of this video is No Strings Prd level.
Very well put together, very interesting stuff if you love everything C&C.
Ditto
Why so few subscribers? You are my favorite channel I never new existed! Thanks for the lore!
I think there should be more subs. Eventually it’ll get there.
*"Silos needed."*
- EVA of GDI and Nod
The second gen Harvesters appear to be based on a cotton picker, pods are funneled toward the pipes that carry crystals into the tank while chaff from the pods is filtered and ejected.
Another key difference that while terrestrial crops required care, the more brute-force method of shovelling simply helped to break up Tiberium crystals and dislodge them from the pods.
Interesting point.
I can clearly see your chanel growing in the future , your videos are very well made
Your the lore master man. Thats awsome you did a great job.
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I haven't even played any of the tiberium games, but this video sounds quite interesting.
I played a lot of Tiberian Sun as a little kid and never knew that harvesters full of blue tiberium would explode like that.
Nice vid, you've earned yourself a new subscriber 😁
Strange how I've never thought about something so key to the game ... till now... Great video
not surprising because the mechanics of the game was just that good, i never got into the lore until the scrin was pushed back by the end of the third tiberium war. i also like how tiberium itself evolved from semi organic parasitic crystal to alien terraforming agent when during the second tiberium war, back when darth vader was the head of GDI.
Noooooon way you received this much subscribers in 1 month! I was the one that always commented on your videos but i know you won’t see this cuz you have 200+ comments! I’m truly amazed finally people are understanding how underrated you are...i hope you remember me and if u didn’t... just see any video of your and you’ll see me on the comments... congrats!
Yep I remember you Zoner. And yeah I was surprised at the sudden surge in subscribers as well.
Thank you for giving these games the attention they deserve.
As a long time rts fan, growing up with it. I enjoyed played games such as, tiberium wars, kane's wrath, generals, generals zero hour, red alert 2 and yuri's revenge (yuri for best army) as well as others.
If you'd like to know more underrated games, then look into these.
Supreme commander.
Supreme commander forged allegiance.
Generals zero hour.
Spellforce 2.
Original war.
A fellow SupCom 1/2 + FA player and C&C Generals + Zero Hour player, greetings my friend!
Honestly, I had no clue what this game was. I just wanted to click because the title and image looked cool. So, I know what I'm getting for my next game. Thank you for introducing me to a new game!
dont play the 4th skrimish(war), its not a game to be acknowledged as C&C game
10:28 Right, Tiberium Spikes aka the Oil Derricks of the Tiberium series...
C&C Generals + Zero Hour nostalgia goes up by 100
Thank Westwood for Renegade. The most detailed game in the universe.
Probably cost them a fortune to produce too.
Worth every penny.
Just finished watching all of the Tiberium Wars faction profiles & this, love the content, instantly subbed. Thank you for making this and I look forward to more videos about the CnC universe. A deep dive into who Kane is and how old he really is + ties to the Scrin would be interesting...
Hey man, I've been watching your videos for abit, and only now I notice you have only 4 digit subs. (so high chance you will see). I just wanted to say, when I was playing the games long time ago, this is exactly the content I was looking for on you tube, but no one was doing these lore and explanation videos about CnC Tiberium series, at the time. So, yeah, I love your videos, keep it up!
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the first harvester was from nod, I read it somewhere while going through the c&c wiki
This channel was a hell of a find! Great content, but now I miss the days of good command and conquer
This is some highly polished and slick content about Tiberium universe. I always considered it highly niche and for more "scientifically" interested gamers.
I was watching a lot of different channels and you bring a lot of new perspective on the whole lore. Well deserved sub and likes.
I find it hilarious that tiberian twilight is just disregarded by the community
tiberian wut now?
@@vatz1151 Tiberian Twilight, it’s the game that comes after C&C3 Tiberium Wars and Kane’s Wrath. The plot is terrible tho but it’s the conclusion of the story
@@owenbaebler2419 you miss the joke my friend.
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@@owenbaebler2419 You speak of heresy.
never heard of it
Pretty certain NOD invented the first methods of harvesting and processing and GDI stole it early on. NOD can build refinery on mission 2 of the first campaign while GDI doesnt get the ability until mission 3 after the beachhead mission 2 where GDI cant build a refinary but the mission is based on a NOD refinary in the opening cutscene.
Just found your channel and I love it! Keep It up!
I love this. As I learn more and more lore. It makes me want to play the game more.
But dont play the execuse of 4th Tiberium war called Twilight, it dont belongs in the C&C franchise
@@m.adrian what are you talking about. There's no fourth tiberium game. Only three are Canon. (I know about it.. they fucked it up so bad, that many fans ignore it even existed. Even feigning amnesia so that they won't think about it. Also the fourth game wasn't suppose to be a tiberium game. It was a completely different game for some mobile Chinese market. But EA decided to slap the tiberium name on it, for a shitty money grab. I hate EA so much)
@@gre3nishsinx0Rgold4 sry i meant the 4th skrimish(war) which got refused to be a EA game and war game with always less than 20 troops and no base
@@m.adrian we're talking about the same non tiberium game mate.
I thought the scrin just beamed their tiberium up to their main hub in exchange for credits
More Lore please! Great vid!
great video!
Sweet deep dive, man. Do one about ore or spice from Red Alert or Dune respectively
The beautiful glow!
The LORE will set us free!
We must gather all we can!
excellent video the video quality gets better with every video, will you do videos on c&c mods and their lore like twisted insurrection?
I have considered it. Especially for Twisted Insurrection specifically. But it would definitely be awhile before I'd be able to get it.
It's great you're doing lore on the C&C universe, especially Tiberium. I congratulate you for not including Tiberian Twilight for it is no true Tiberium story. Keep it up. Would you also do the Red Alert universe?
Yes, I do plan to do videos in the Red Alert universe as well as the Generals Universe.
@@Jethild Nice to do the Generals universe as well. Not the best and I may not like it's outcome, but still had fun with it. Let me ask this: even though it isn't part of the lore, but have you seen or played some C&C mods?
@@NegiTaiMetal011 I haven't played any C&C mods but I do know about the existence of some of the more well known ones like Twisted Insurrection, Mental Omega, and Rise of the Reds. And I have had a few people asking me if I've considered covering them (specifically Twisted Insurrection) and I might do so after I get through most of the official canon.
@@Jethild Hard to say if they are considered canon. But it's up to you. Or maybe you can put up a separate lore about it. Just a suggestion.
While I do know Mental Omega and Rise of the Reds, there's also CNC Fallout, Deep Impact/European Conflict, Tiberium Essence, and Generals Shockwave.
There is a dam bug during gameplay for players acting as NOD and creating factions of NOD that harvesters normally went to idle mode while harvesting the crystals over the field. To overcome this, players need to manually reset harvesting orders to NOD harvesters.
Good Vid, but you forgot to mention the reaper tiberium accelerator that also generates funds.
I mention the tiberium accelerator on the video I did dedicated to the reaper faction.
There is honestly so much to the command and conquer stories that they could make a really good series or series of movies if they stuck to the source material
Finally more lore.
So this is like The Templin Institute but for CnC only . I love It
First Harvester is by NOD. It's mentioned in the Intro video of Tiberian Dawn.
The most op part about the scrin is that tiberium is healthy for them while its super dangerous for humans... also the scrin extractor probably just extracts the tiberium to the ichor hub since they dont use silos i think this is the reason they are named the extractors
what an outstanding work! great script, great presentation, well though out flow of the subject. well done Sir!
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i love how consistently i see high quality content from this community
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Yes, that was i needed after playing remastered Tiberium Dawn, a silos of tiberium lore
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I love your stuff, and I love your lore. It has inspired a few things in a roleplay I am doing
19:47 Has anyone noticed the blue crate in the middle-left of the scene here. One is imprinted with a GDI logo, but the crate above it has a different bird based logo. Looks similar to the USA logo from Generals.
That’s interesting. Never noticed until I saw your comment.
You can find ruined humvee wrecks that are just USA Humvees with upscaled textures too. I know they're meant to be from the earlier Tib Wars and they just reused an asset, but I thought it was interesting nonetheless.
Awesome video. Only thing is I would have liked a bit more explanation as to what exactly makes Tiberium valuable. I think I remember reading somewhere that it’s unstable nature makes it able to be converted into any mineral? Unsure. Would have liked a bit more info there. Otherwise - dope video !
I think tiberium absorbs Deep in Earth most valuable minerals
Dude when i saw this video poping up in my recommendation i had a punch of nostalgia like...wtf i remambered when i was a kid like 6 looking my dad pc and seeing the cd of this game hahaha
I miss game CDs.
How are the similar harvesters such a mystery when the second mission of the GDI campaign was explicitly to capture a NOD refinery to learn it's technology?
The second mission does not explicitly require you to capture the NoD refinery. The objective is to capture or destroy all Nod buildings. In the debriefing before the mission starts, the GDI soldier simply says the reason Nod had the beach bottled up was because they were protecting a refinery that intelligence had missed and that they need reinforcements in order to knockout the refinery and destroy the base.
@@Jethild They might have known they can reverse-engineer the destroyed refinery though.
I've recently found your channel and I'm glad I did. You make well scripted, edit, and overall good videos. I'll watch your UA-cam career with great interest. Take a sub.
Holy fuck man, 3 days have gone by and i've seen you go from 600 subs to almost 1.2k. Good shit
I noticed that too! It’s spreading like tiberium. 🌿
Thank you for such a great content. Can you in separate video cover maybe c&c4 and its lore? ❤️
I've noticed that everyone that does C&C lore considers Twilight to be non cannon.
Because it is trash.
C&C 4, you mean the reboot of Tiberian Dawn? ;p
As Diogenes said, Tiberium Twilight is generally not accepted as canon by the CnC community. I'm not gonna completely rule out the possibility of covering any lore in that game but I would definitely treat it as separate from the main timeline. And there is still a lot I want to cover in the main timeline anyway.
that execuse of 4th skrimish(war) dont belongs nor deserves the titel of C&C and as to be treated as a non C&C game the natural follower is C&C 3: Incursion which was never finished because EA is useless trash
Yay a modern C&C lore channel! Also, it could be that the Renegade refinery is supposed to connect to the grates on the front corners of the tank of the harvester...
Could you do up to the events of twilight? I really liked that post-Tib war 3 stuff up to the crawlers being made you know before we all played C$C 4. Realised it was a reskinned Chinese market ESports game.
the 4th skrimish(war) isnt allowed to carry the titel of C&C
@@m.adrian I know I was talking about the post CnC3 events before we knew of the campaign for you know what.
I love how he ignores the newest Tiberium Games, thank you so much for not acknowledging them even existing.
We all dont acknowledge games like the 4th skrimish from EA
The Scrinn's accelerators are interesting as they actually give a significant boost, you may not be able to capture them but keeping them around is beneficial as if you have a well guarded tib field, then you wont have to worry about your harvesters going far
Also a lesser known fact, without command and conquer/tiberium we wouldn't get Metroid prime
However Metroid gave conclusion to not-tiberium, but damn Phaase looks terrifiying and cool even if it was so damn linear
Phaase in a way is more terrifying, it has a hive mind, and is aware of its surroundings and can interact with the world.
@@Gothic7876 OH yea, I forget about that too, which the prime series made me open my mind to the concept of a Sentient planet like how the fuck does that work out.
I also believe that the Scrin force that was sent to Earth was only a harvesting patrol. I find it unlikely that GDI or Nod could defeat them even with their building and military technology otherwise.
Your right. I mention the Scrin invasion force just being a harvesting force in the faction video I did on them.
Aye. It's kinda similar to a mining station setup on a primitive civ in Stellaris. There's not much 'military' there, compared to an actual military force of an interstellar empire.
these vids are of great quality, im surprised that u only have 1k subs
The possibility of Tiberium ... are limitless! - The Legend
I subscribed. This is the content I love to see!
Good job man :P
Nice video
You manage to find plausibility where none never thought of.
The way I always saw the scrim was that the units and structures themselves were the silos. Everything had Tiberium embedded in it and so there was no further need.
As someone who didn't grow up with C&C, when I hear "westwood" I instead think of the Kyrandia series. A point and click adventure set of games. In particular, I think of Hand of Fate, the second game in the series.
Love your C&C lore! Nice job and makes me wish there was another Tib war game. Also hoping some day a C&C tabletop game becomes a thing (one can hope)
There’s always a chance.
I hope they do a remake of Tiberian sun that one was my favorite.
In Tiberium Dawn, NOD does not build its vehicles, it buys them.
That means the tiberium harvester was indeed developed and sold by a company.
And I'm subscribed. I appreciate your hard work
I think Scrin Extractors shouldn't of had a havester. I feel their extractor should of been place near it and used subterranean veins to absorb Tiberian giving a constant supply of funds... Not sure why they'd need funds... Bio mass perhaps?
You forgot that nod silos in tib war 3 have that vent which seems to expel tiberium gas, meaning they probably propagate it!
You also forgot to mention the Reaper version of the growth accelerator, which doubles as a Tiberium spike!
Oh yes, the 3 tiberium wars, which we still need a conclusion...
Found your channel earlier today, and am loving these lore videos! Will we see any videos for factions from the other Command and Conquer series like Red Alert and Generals?
Yes, in the future I do plan to do videos in the Red Alert and Generals universes as well.
This would actually make for a pretty fair concept for a movie - or a netflix/hbo series.
I think the Harvesting method was first created by Nod and Nod support the harvesting method for GDI and other for the funding, cause the first Tiberium was start in 2019, that is quit a long time after 1995 since first Tiberium arrive to earth
Yes I’m your 800 subscriber you make awesome videos
Wait didn't GDI start using Disruptor tech to break down Tiberium for processing?
Yeah
Disruptor was purely combat vehicle.
In C&C3, sonic emitters were more of growth inhibitors that just removed tiberium where it wasn't needed.
damn son , this is some insane level of quality , I love it !