JSB Beast - Alternative to slugs???
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- Опубліковано 19 лис 2021
- For many airgunners wanting shooting slugs in .177 they can be difficult to find.
This video is to determin if the JSB Beast is an alternative to slugs.
Im shooting them at various distances to see if they match the slugs.
I hope that you will enjoy and give me some constructive feedback from your own experience.
Best regards
Peter P/Viking Airgunner
Greetings from Tennessee. Once again, I thank and commend you for sharing your data and experiences. Folks like you make the world a better place.
Thanks Joshua - I means alot to me that my content is appriciated🙂
Great test. Seems like above 55 yards they destabilize at an amazing rate. Thank you for the test.
I shoot those same pellets out of my Hatsan AT44. They are flying at 800fps at the muzzle.
Extremely accurate out to 60yds, but after that they get crazy wild just like in your video.
Thanks for sharing Cliff.
Nice to hear that we have similar experiences 🙂
THANKS for sharing sir always very interesting. I ALWAYS learn something WATCHING your videos for which im very thankful 🎯✌🏼🤩
Thank you so much for your comment Mike 🤗🤗
Welcome to the group of dissatisfied users of JSB Beast pellets. I have also seen my groups fall apart in the same way as you at longer distances. It is known to me that the pellets begin and fly in spirals.
I have experience that JSB Monster pellets make better groups at longer distances, especially the Monster Redesign version seemed successful.
Ahh that is good info!!!
The Beast's are quite speed sensitive, so when velocity drops they would spiral much easier - where as the Red. seems to be more forgiving i terms of velocity 🙂
At wich speeds have you been shooting the Beasts?
@@VikingAirgunner Oh, the speed I can not state exactly as my experience comes from a Diana Stormrider and a Gamo GX-40, which are both unregulated. A gifted guess will be between 220 and 250 m/s. I have also shot them in my new FX Impac M3, but only up to 50 meters at a speed of around 290 m / s. On the impac, I just found that they shot excellently with an energy of about 37 Joul without experimenting further.
Ahh ok 🙂
So your experiences are about the same as mine - But to have a pellet that carries so much energy up till 50m is great to have anyway 😎
@@VikingAirgunner I will try to shoot JSB Beast the next time I have lined up for 100+ meters on my FX Impact M3. Right now there is shiny water on the pitch but I hope it disappears again soon.
I think I have found a way and make a pellet very visible when flying in the dark using glow paint. Unfortunately, it looks just now that the weight of the pellet increases by 0.3 grain, but will experiment to get the extra weight down. Hope to be able to get the extra weight down to only 0.1 grain and still have such a thick layer of paint that the end of the pellet will still shine brightly until it hits the target.
Here you can see what your shooting brings to others. 😁
@@TheLandbo wow thats really interesting 😃
Do make a video 🤗
Thanks Peter another interesting video 👍🏻
Love these in my Avenge X. Seem to group the best around 900 fps.
yes
same thing good close up bad at double the distence great video keep it up
Thanks buddy 🙂
Nice signature on your tripod🙈 with that flyer
Moment to remember 😍😍😍😂😂😂
Very good shooting. Have u retuned ur barrel tuner for these???
Thanks for the video Peter. I'm sure I heard a sigh of relief from the Gopro. I've had good results with monster redesigns through an stx tube at 905 fps.
😂😂😂 Im sure that you heard right 😂😂😂
The Red. are absolutely great! How long a distance have you used them at?
@@VikingAirgunner I've been testing at 50yds, the rifle will group 5 shots at 1/2inch. I'm hoping to get reg fitted shortly set to suite these. I've also got some Pro hunter slugs to test.👍
Most pellets shoot best between 830 and 880 in my uragan. Any quicker I get larger groups. Love your videos by the way.
Thanks for your comment buddy 🤗
Same mere. Usually around the same range, but the Beast just seems to like the faster velocities. Or I have never managed to get respectable groups below 900 fps.
Have u tried the Beasts?
Yes mate I've tried them in my friends wildcat as well. 40yds was as far as we got decent groops about 30mm
Hey, like your channel. So curious it be great if you could list your stats of where you are at with your .177 impact build and how well you are grouping and the settings. So I watched you video but kind of have to piece it all together of what you are shooting and the best settings and what is on your rifle. So if you could give a build out of what your best groups are and what you are using. Seems like you have a mini diary of your progress which is great. I am looking at building something similar but I keep having to go back through your videos to piece it all together. So one example you could put this information on your about area of your channel or in each intro of your videos pin it our something like that. Like current 100m group size .89 inches with this build. Some of the info I would love to see.
1. best slugs,
2. speed of slugs,
3. best 50 100m groupings size
4. Barrels length,
5. liner type, tuner type. ,
6. regulator Settings
7. spring and power wheel settings.
8. Tunner type ?
9. did you try a barrel sleeve yet ?
Thanks man keep up the hard work.
It strikes me that these pellets are too long for the twist rate of your liner. Long projectiles need faster twist rates to keep them stable. You can see from the paper target that they are tumbling by the key hole shapes they make at long range compared to the round holes at closer ranges.
Helt i orden skydning det der 👍👍
Tak 🙂
Your results with the JSB Beast at 75 meters is truly shocking. I love the Beast, I get 25-30mm groups at 50 meters, shooting them at approx 850fps with my Zbroia Kozak FC. I have never shot beyond 50 meters, and now I worry that my go-to pellets won't go any further. My rifle hates NSA 15.5, Wildman and PileDrivers.
Im afraid that the Beast is not capeable of much further distances than what you are shooting. My guess is perhaps 60m and then you will get the same situation as me.
Some claim to be shooting them at longer distances with great results, but I havent come across any videos that confirm this.
Have you tried the JSB KnockOuts in 10 gr? I shoot the 13,43 with great results. The 10 gr dont seem to like my barrel, but the might be good in the Zbroia.
@@VikingAirgunner I would like to try the JSB Knockouts in 13.43gr, but it would be great if there where better availability, I like to be able to stock up on my go-to pellets. I like the idea of having alot of energy delivered at long ranges, so 13gr is acceptable, but probably the lowest weight I would consider 😎
@@fiduzen73 Yeah they are seriously difficult to come by at the moment.
I have had some great results with the NSA 12,5 wich are currently available at Krale, but they are just so expensive
Just ordered them today after i wash them and lubricate them i will try them out
its a comman issues with the FX guns as the barrel twist is designed to be accurate with lighter grain pellets than heavier ones. youll have better luck with something like the hades at the the 82 yard range.
Hey, just got done with my first round of testing my Maverick .177 500mm barrel. This is bone stock. I tried all the .177 slugs and the best seem to be shooting the JSB knockouts 13.4 grains slugs. Curious what your most accurate slug is ?
The next best slugs were nelson 15 grn. I just tried the groups at 25 meters so not much room. I was shooting these knockouts at 1043 fps avg over 20 shots.
Three things I need to do in the future
1. Clean Barrel
2. Put in carbon Sleeve
3. Put on Barrel Tuner
4. Ret-tune Regulators
Any thoughts on something I am missing ?
Jay
Hi Jay
It seems like you are well on the way, so keep up the good work.
As for my best slugs I have made videos about the NSA and the KO, so you can perhaps find some info in those videos. Also there is a video with the STX vs Superior Liner.
If you are not running the Huma Dual transferport I would suggest you looking into that. It is a HUGE gain!!
Some comments on your list:
Clean barrel - I never clean my barrels.
Carbon liner sleeve - Great idea!
Barrel tuner - also a great idea, but wait untill you have the best tune you can get without it, and then install. If your gun is not tuned it is just another variable.
Reg tune - tune foraround 25 fps over your target-fps and then turn down the hammer. Ernest Rowe does some great tuning videos.
And if you can get a longer shooting range. I would suggest at least 75 yards with no wind. Here you can really see the change between the different settings and your ammo.
I hope that this will help you.
Best regards
Peter P
@Stafford Fuhs > Question: The Maverick Compact 4,5 (.177): up to 27 Joule - 20ft/lbs. How is it that you can achieve 32.38 foot-pounds with JSB knockouts 13.4 grains @1043 fps??? I am puzzled.
I gotta believe the 15 or 20 grain .177 hollowpoint slugs would be amazing in your rifle. They work in my Hatsan .
Try 860fps for pellets
I tried the 15 gr NSA - I have made a few videos on them and I found them to perforrm about the same as the 13 gr Knockouts, so with the prices much lower on the JSB´s here in Europe they won the match 😀
I had to use a higher reg preasure to obtain the velocity on the NSA´s aswell, so that was another factor. But I might have to give the 20 gr a go at some point. My buddy Stefan showed me some Wildman slugs in 21 gr (think it was) HUGE 😀 I could easily imagine them being interesting.
I tried the Beasts at speeds from 800 fps and I only had them grouping well a 920+ fps.
I shoot them at 50 yards. Never tried them any further. And now i don`t think I will be going past 50 with them thanks to you.
Another good video mate....don't worry about shooting your tripod, i managed to shoot my chronograph and that was only about 12ins in front of barrel lol
😂😂 Nice one mate 😂😂
Only one thing to say in such a situation - DOH!!! 😂
Anyway its nice to have memories 😜
Pellets like to be around 870-890 fps where they are best stabilized. Faster isn’t always better.
I know. its a balance all the way to the target. The heavier the projectile the higher linear advance is needed to maintain the "stable trajectory". Also the barrel length is paramount to the muzzle velocity and spin ratio. For slugs over 12.8 grain in .177 there are two "sweetspots" in the 880-920 and the higher the grain value the higher the fps needs to be to counter the canter that the conical center builds up pr revolution of the projectile.
Hope that made a clearer answer for you :)
Try Eun Gin pellets or the pellets from Spain called Rifle pellets. Also you should always measure your barrel bore for precise diameters to the diameter of pellets. I've heard people shooting pellets over 100 meters accurately. You have to match the bore to the correct heavy pellets. JSB are good but may not be the ticket always. I do know pellets can shoot pretty far out but I don't know about the FX stx barrels or slug barrels on it. They are made strictly for slugz. The Lothar Walthers barrels and Diana are very good shooting distances with pellets. Also if you've been shooting slugz out of a barrel it's no more Good for shooting pellets because of wear in the barrel or liner. Ed da pro snippin backyard man💥💪😎
Hey Eddie
Thanks for a constructive comment! Its all about sharing experiences 🙂
I have the same experience with pellets and slugs through the same barrel. Once you have shot too many slugs its no good for pellets anymore!
Thanks again buddy 🤗
@@VikingAirgunner you are 100% my friend!💥💪😎😀
From my experience… the heavier pellets and slugs need a higher reg pressure for accuracy in the impact.. 150bar is a good place to start for these and the 20grn h&N slugs as well..
160
They corkscrew past 45yds with my gun, at 30yds they grouped better than any other pellet or slug.
Hi mate!! Great shooting...until 75 with .177 cal....but after that WooooooW! 😂Lucky GoPro....but not so lucky tripod! Think the issue, is that .177 pellets are to lite and aerodynamically crap when passing the 75 meters marker.....you should try like 5 meters at a time, to see exactly where things start happening and the groupings go to hell. The bigger cal and heavier the pellets are the longer distance you can use them, until they screw up groupings. Just for fun, also put the chrono on next time to see if there is any difference in speed, also thinking of if you filled up the gun with air between changing distance.....Everything is a relative. 😉Thanks for a good show!
Hello my friend 🙂
I think that you are absolutely right! 50-75 m is a looong jump!
And yes the small factores makes huge differences!
-was actually considering the Huma external reg for more consistant velocity through the whole fill - but with all the upgrades that Im considering I might aswell send Toppe a message 😂😂
Yup pellets are very finicky ,try slugs heavy and fast ,what about twist rate.
@@donaldswens8560 Check out the rest of my videos 😉
Hi Peter,
It may be the air speed of the pellet has dropped at this distance, and the rifling spin it got at muzzle is still at that high rotational speed, that the pellet is being set off in to micro cork screwing, with in a larger vortex circle. Sometimes less rotational spin is better for longer distance shots. Also try dropping the FPS power and see if this brings this back in to play.
Hope this helps
Andy
Hey Andy
That would be interesting to test out. Thanks for your input 🤗
@@VikingAirgunner no worries tinkering is all about playing with ballistics and harmonics you could also try the balancing of the last 3rd of the barrel with the FX harmonic weight to fine tune the longer shots accuracy.
Ps
I don’t even have an air gun. I just like to know everything lol. Ignorance is my biggest weapon. Is the extremely large field of life.
Pls love the tractor lol. Go shooting anywhere
Transportation.
Andy
Sorry Peter for being a weirdo on knowledge. I don’t profess to a practical background on much but I love to research everything. Not just guns so I picked up on this in my learning curve of everything.
Pls delete if it offends in anyway.
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Best regards as always.
Andy
Gyroscopically May simply be off at higher muzzle speeds
Again sorry if I have offended U. Your videos and experiences well overlay mine.
Andy
@@scottishbushman3745 Airgunning seems like a science lesson - and it is fantstic 🤗
I have the barrel tuner. Even made a video about how to use it. Check it out - you will enjoy that one 😃
@@VikingAirgunner stunning o will. Learning is everything. Thank you Sir. On it now
Have a fantastic day Peter.
Andy
I love your woodland range setup - looks like absolute bliss!
Its absolutely amazing 😃
Nothing beats that place on a sunny morning with no wind 😎
@@VikingAirgunner
How are you man what your gun name and how maximum long the range shooting
@@VikingAirgunner Is it your land or do you have a deal with a land owner? I live in a suburban area, so i gotta travel a bit to shoot. Currently got a small 10 meter range in the basement, at least i get to shoot something ;)
@@reyalPRON I have a deal with the land owner 🙂 There is 125m max, but its enough.
@@VikingAirgunner That sounds amazing man. We moved here just a year ago, i am close to a deal with a ranch owners son really close to my house, just three minutes drive away. I have the clearance to shoot there but i need the snow to clear up so i can properly secure the range. The maximum range has only been measured on googlemaps so far 😁 Its seems to be about 300 meters max. More than enough for a tiny .177 ? Plenty.
He is not so keen on me shooting videos and posting them online, thats where im close to coming to a deal. But these farmers are slow ppl ;) takes time for them
You are one of the reasons i got into this hobby u know.. I do very much like the methodical approach you have to your investigations and tuning.
I first found mr dubber, then roelf, then you. Still watch the other guys, but you are on notification for new content. they arent.
One of the first things i too found was that the tuning system is flawed for sharing tunes due to inconsistencies in the machining tolerances, elevation, and many other factors. I mean.. if one never fired a similar slug/pellet the quick tune references are enough to get u in the ballpark. But not the on the pitchers mound if u know what i mean?
Like i said, in january, my L1 is scheduled to be healed fully. Then its time to assemble the range, the wait is killing me faster than the pains from the injury ;)
Another really helpful video, thank you! Have you also tuned the barrel for the 16gr JSB Beasts? I was thinking of trying the Ultra Shocks and the Beasts , especially after buying an FX Chrono and discovering my favourite 10gr Zan slugs have a significant FPS variation in my UK sub 12 version, STX Superior M3. My favourite pellets so far are the JSB Hades and Exact Heavy Diabolos (4.52mm). However, the Zan slugs fly on a much flatter trajectory and are equally as accurate even despite the varying FPS, I'm guessing because they probably pick up more twist/spin in the barrel. After watching this video, I'm now thinking I might be better off trying the 13gr 177 Zans. Thanks again for your hard work and this great channel.
Thank you so much Nicholas🙂
I havent shot pellets in a long time in my M3. I used to shoot them in my mk2 with the STX (not superior) and the JSB Heavy were very good. But I cant say that Im an expert on pellets, so Id rather stick to pretending to be clever on the slugs 😃
I havent tried the 10 gr Zan, but the 13 gr ZAN are so good! But then again I can imagine that it is a different game in sub 12 🤔
But good ammo is good ammo and the slugs from ZAN are super well made!
@@VikingAirgunner Yeah, sub 12 might seem a little boring compared to your full power version but, I've still never had so much fun. Hopefully, I'll be getting my Fire Arms Cert soon and I can upgrade.
@@NickGled It is all about enjoying what we do. Sub 12 or FAC 🙂
Have a great Easter 🙂
So I turned up the regulator to 155bar and got 919fps, they stabilize out to 50yds now, 35yd groups are incredibly small.
Could you see the pellets corkscrewing or anything through your scope on the far target? It's quite interesting that they do so well at 50, but fall off target so quickly after that. I'll be checking back to your video to see what others might comment or suggest.
I was being very observant to potential spiraling, and I could not see any. But as for the comments so far it seems like this result is pretty well known. I have been sharing results with some of my buddies prior to making this video, and they all say the same, so I really didnt expect anything. But for me it is important to get the knowledge out there so that ppl dont have to go and spend time and money on testing.
Anything below 50m is great, but beyond....Yeah...😂
I must say that I hoped for a diferent result since my experiences with JSB has always been positive, but I hope that ppl with other barrels will share their (honest) experiences 🙂
Have a nice sunday mate 🙂
It has to do with center of mass and center of pressure. Normally with a lighter pellet the skirt is hollower keeping your center of pressure in the rear and mass forward. with the beast the center of pressure moves forward because of the extra lead needed for the mass, causing it to spiral dramatically when the gyroscopic spin stabilization slows down. Which you determined happens after 50 meters exponentially. There is really nothing you can do to fix this, and it's good for what it's good for. More speed will buy you accuracy for a touch longer till you reach the undesired spin rate again. Just my 2 cents.
And those were 2 cents well spent 🤗
Thank you for your comment. Im sure that it will help alot of shooters 🙂
Best regards
Peter P
@@VikingAirgunner Lol, well spent, good one!
I don’t know Peter the bc is not great enough would be my guess and you need more spin possibly to maintain the beasts bc more efficiently. Matt Dubber from South Africa Air to the rescue! Perhaps if you can get your request to for this information would be 👍🏼 great! Top notch fellow there!
Side note Peter, I have recently received my Wildcat Mk3 and what a joy it is to shoot and oh my the accuracy is unbelievably believable now! I am quite confused however because I believe the regular needs increased slightly however I think the adjustment location has been moved on the most recent Wildcat mk3’s released. The manual doesn’t reflect this new location in its wordage and I cannot be certain but the Maverick looks to have the same regular adjustment screw but I can’t be certain and do not want to turn any screws without fully understanding. My manual does say it is for the FxWildcat Mk3 / Maverick and perhaps is outdated. If you would have any information you could relay back about this topic I would be forever thankful!
Peter may I ask are you restricted to only 4.5mm in Denmark? Oh and again I must say you have a gorgeous area to target practice and looks very peaceful too!
Peter have a blessed weekend and I look forward to many more videos from you!✌🏼&❤️
You can find the latest user manuals for your Wildcat MK3 here: fxairguns.com/support/
See page 9 for adjustment.
Hi man 🙂
HUGE congrats on the new gun 😀 I makes me wanna get a new gun too 😀 Said it before - the Wildcat is the absolut coolest gun that FX makes!!! If I get rich or lucky it will defenately find its way into my collection 😎 Saddly I know nothing about it. Wish I could help you, but it would be as good as hot air 😀 Thanks to TheLandbo for providing the right link 🙏🙏
The forrest is the best place ever - I told my wife that I consider moving us out there 😂
I cant imagine that I will dive much deeper into the Beasts. I doubt that they would ever perform well beyond the 50-60m. Some how I think that the Monster Red would perform better 🤔
The 177 is the only gun you can shoot without a hunting licence here in DK. Anything larger requires just that. Its a course that takes qiute a while. And owning a larger caliber requires you to have a permit for the weapon and you have to keep it locked up in a safe. And on top of that you cant shoot it in the yard. I just think its too much of a hazzle. So being able to shoot respectable groups at 100m, I really dont think that I need it. But if the laws were changed I would get a 22 tomorrow 😂
Have a great sunday man - and enjoy your new baby 😎🤗
.177 beast , heavy ,slugs , fx airguns & exact , rws super dome 👍👍👍 with hatsan BT65 elite (baril Lothar Walther)
hej Peter hvor mange bar har du på regulateren ? Hilsen Peter
Hej Peter
I videoen har jeg omkr 118 bar. Med superior liner får man mere hastighed. Da jeg havde STX var den på 127 🙂
are these only for pcp rifles because i am wondering if i can use it in a break barrel
The Beast is a very heavy pellet, so in my experience I would only suggest it for pcp. You might run into ppl who are shooting them in break barrels at lower velocities, but I guess that it is for each individual to decide.
I made a review of a Gamo and wich ammo to use in that. You can go and check it out and see the velocity of the Beast in that gun.
My suggestion would be the JSB Heavy or the Monster 🙂
But then again - Im not the break barrel expert 😃🤓
@@VikingAirgunner thanks!
You took off the chronograph for the last group. It looked like it was putting pressure on the barrel. This will change barrel harmonics
The chrono is not directly attached to the barrel 🙂
You can see the setup close up in some of my other videos.
But if it had been it most defenately would have affected the harmonics.
I always advice against having it attached to the barrel while shooting groups 🤓
Thanks for the video. Is the lack of performance due to the liner or the pallets? Even at 34 meters, I would expect a tighter group. I get pallet on pallet at 35 yards, on my FX Royal 500.
Well I can only speak for myself, but some days I get better groups than others and on the day of filming this was my group 😃 Im trying to give a completely honest picture in my videos 🙂
@@VikingAirgunner Thanks for your response. Watching your targeting, your technique seems to be just find. No rattling before or after the shot. I am assuming it's the equipment. My shots with the Royal at 100 yards is not that great. I get 2 inch group and about 12 inch drop.
@@AA-rc4zr Thats a fine group with pellets at that distance 🙂
I really liked the Beast, but after switching to slugs I never looked back.
@@VikingAirgunner I am new to air gunning. I was expecting 1/2 cm grouping from 100 yards. I guess that was not realistic? I was not too happy with my Royal 500. A beautiful gun to look at but not very practical. Too heavy and finicky for practical (hunting) use. I am curious about the new wildcat. That's how I ended up at your post. Everyone is gaga over the Impact. I am looking for something lighter and more practical. Would love to see a test video for the wildcat at long distances. Max effective distance test using either pallets or slugs. I would be interested to see if the wildcat could manage 100m kill shots on birds or rabbits.
@@AA-rc4zr The Wildcat is a good alternative to the Impact in terms of a good hunting rifle. It will never be as accurate but that is not what it is made for 🙂
But if you choose a wildcat and a 600 mm or 700 mm barrel you will be fine. I only tried the 600 mm liner - and ofcause the 500 mm.
Pellets are generally useable up to around 60 m since they destabilize after that, but slugs will be fine to at least 150 m.
A very good group at 100 m is around 1 cm. I have never heard about better groups with a 177 - and only a very few that has been better in the bigger calibers. A respectable group for me is below 3 cm, så 0,5 cm might be bit to much to expect 😃
Nice demonstration I'm staying on the slugs for long distances lol so I won't kill my gopro lol 😜 you were lucky not to hit the device; good luck and happy end-of-year party
Same here 😀 Slugs has just made the game of long range so much more accesable 🤗
- maybe I shold get some kind af metal cage for my gear 🤔😂😂😂😂
@@VikingAirgunner Thanks to you, I'm in a trin of making it for my cameras 😂😉
@@SnipeLoisirsTestsCustoms Do you ship abroad??? 😂😂
I'll make a video tutorial for cheap a good cage lol 😂 but I can't ship
@@SnipeLoisirsTestsCustoms 😂😂
Happy New Year mate 🙂
Have not shot these, but my experience is that most JSB pellets like speeds from 870-890 fps, keeping them below 900fps. I have not shot my 4.5mm crown over 60 meters, but my .22 Crown groups just over an inch (25mm) at 100m. these are shot at 885 fps. Thanks for a great video
Hi Jeremy
Thanks for your input 🙂
I would be interesting to see what results you would get from the Crown at 75.
All other pellets I have shot in the 860-900 fps range aswell, but I have never had the Beasts grouping well at less than 920. Had them grouping extremely well in STX at 950-980 🙂
Best regards
Peter P
@@VikingAirgunner Are you saying that before you upgraded to superior STX, you could shoot the beasts faster and group the better (with the regular factory STX)???? I am puzzled!
@@conandrum74 That is right. But I never shot them beyond 34 m with the STX.
It makes sense that they perform better in the STX since it has a choke and the superior has not.
@@VikingAirgunner which ammunition would you recommend for accuracy @ 100+ meters?
@@conandrum74 My experience with different kinds of slugs is limited to knockouts and NSA, and the best results has been with 13.43 gr KO and 15 gr NSA that has been very close in performance.
Really looking forward to h&n slugs 😃
how many shots u get per load sr?
Great video mate but if my rifle produced groups like that I would be very concerned about hunting with it
Thanks.
Well JSB Beast are not ideal for hunting since they dont expand at all. Accuracy up to around 60 m is very good though 🙂
@VikingAirgunner shame tho as they did look promising I've managed to accurately shoot 18 grain air arm up to 1000fps and retain decent accuracy 👌
Hei broder😎Kan du lage en video på gamo swarm magnum 10x gen3i 177, og forskjellige kuler?
Hvilke kuler og slugs anbefaler du til FX Crown 24 joule?
Og hvilken hastighet er best?
Hej Hans Petter
Umiddelbart tænker jeg ikke slugs, da min erfaring med slugs er omkring 40-42 J. Nogle har erfaring med slugs ved lavere hastigheder, men jeg har haft mine bedste resultater ved 950+ fps.
Så jeg ville vælge hagl. Og her er det klart JSB Heavy eller Monster Redesigned. Og dem kan du skyde omkring 885 fps som udgangspunkt, og så fintune herfra 🙂
Bedste hilsner
Peter P
Hvilke hagl skyder du med?
Og hvor mange bar har du regulatoren på?
@@VikingAirgunner Den er på litt under 150 bar. Jeg har bare skutt med Crosman Premier Ultra Magnum 10,5 gr.
@@hanspetterstensgard8022 Uden at kende Crown specielt godt vil jeg sige, at det er meget højt tryk på regulatoren.
Hvis jeg skulle skyde JSB Heavy, der vejer det samme, ville jeg have max 100 bar. Jeg tænker, at den er over powered 🤔
@@VikingAirgunner Takk for svaret. Det står i bruksanvisningen at man kan bruke opp til max150 bar.
Jeg vet ikke om dette er for 5,5mm ,6,35mm og 7,62mm. Jeg skal stille regulatoren ned til lavere trykk og forsøke igjen.
Jeg ser at CROWN MKII er kraftigere.
4,5 (.177): up to 38 J • 28 ft/lbs
5,5 (.22): up to 73 J • 54 ft/lbs
6,35 (.25): up to 88 J • 65 ft/lbs
7,62 (.30): up to 123 J • 75 ftlbs
I use these pellets…. The key is to keep the muzzle velocity below 879…. These “Beasts” spiral 🌀 easily…. Please try this again at 100m but make the muzzle velocity under 879 and be amazed! Your FPE will be about 27.8…
Lol! Thank goodness it was only the tripod leg!
It is the first time, that I have been seriously nervous for my equipment 😂😂😂 Not even when I have been testing at 125m 😀
I would up the fps to 960-980 for 14-17grain. 990-1010 for 18-20grain. Keeps them from tumbling and they go straighter. EDIT With my setup. Your results may differ.
Hi man 🙂
I have been in the range and it didnt help.
@@VikingAirgunner it works for my stock 700mm.
@@VikingAirgunner what is the spread u got? Also there is a limit to the range i found with these. Your videos show u shooting at longer ranges than me. I can see if i can rearrange the range i shoot at to see if i get the same result at over 25 meters. Currently im restricted due to snow.
@@reyalPRON As I say in the video I assume that the Beasts might be accurate up to 60-65 m, so 25 m shows them to be accurate, but above 65 m the results shows that they are not.
@@VikingAirgunner It seems so, sadly. I get tumblers from 880-920. They start to tumble at ca 47 meters, i usually shoot at 50 meter.. when upping to 960 i get normal ballistic behaviour. With the diabolos i find that they dont like long hammerstrokes. The shorter puff gives more stable flights. Less flyers. I broke my back a couple of months ago so i have not been so busy as usual. Getting better by the week though.👍 surely we will find the recipe for these too. We lust gotta put more down the range and not lock our selfs to one way of getting to rome. If u know what i mean?
923fps is very fast for any diabolo pellet. They tend to spiral at those speeds.
Its funny bcs I have had them shooting well at many different speeds. Highest was 980 fps, but for some reason I never managed to do it again. So its been everything between 885 and 980 fps 😃
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Jeg har brugt Beast ret meget, indtil der kom slugs som var til at betale, og som ikke var NSA slugs.
Beast, hvertfald i min Impact X mk2, da ville de have så meget power som muligt. Derfor skød jeg dem ved ca 1018fps, og de samlede fint på ca 90meter. Men der skal smæk på... lige i underkanten af 900, er simpelthen for lidt.
Men super gode hagl... hvis de ville ekspandere ligeså meget som slugs, ville de være perfekte.
Men umiddelbart er mit foretrukne, JSB knockout 13.43 skudt ved 1015fps. Ufattelig ødelæggelse de kan skabe, og super pålidelige på lange afstande.
Hej Morten
Jeg tror faktisk, at det var en post fra dig på ét eller andet forum, der inspirerede mig til skrue op for hastigheden generelt. Og efter det fik jeg de samme resultater, som du beskriver - så tak for inspiration 🙂
Jeg har dog lige kappet toppen af hastigheden og holder mig under de 1000 🙂
Hvad er dine erfaringer med Beast på afstande over de 35 m?
@@VikingAirgunner Det skal ikke være nogen hemmelighed, at jeg har tømt de første 20dåser med beast med min impact. Primært til rottejagt/regulering hos bønder i nærheden af hvor jeg bor.
Har nappet rotter på afstande omkring 110meter. -Så det kan sagtens lade sig gøre, hvis bare det hele er trimmet ordentligt ind.
Efterfølgende er jeg så gået over til slugs med kappe, da min kammerat skyder meget med FX Hybrid i .22. Og han laver indimellem nogle ret så vilde resultater.
Derfor, da JSB KO i 13.43 kom på markedet, så skulle de prøves, og de er bare fuldstændig fantastiske... men også de kræver noget power.
For en uge/14dage siden valgte jeg at sætte min ene impact til salg, for at prøve noget nyt. Har brug for noget andet at rode med.
Så lige pt er jeg igang med et eksperiment med en HW44, som jeg har fundet løsningen på til at kunne skrues op. Lige nu skyder den 10.03 slugs ved 920fps, og laver rigtig fine samlinger på de 35m. Har ikke lige haft mulighed for at teste på længere afstande her i stormene.
Men forestil dig lige en hw44 som skyder slugs relativ hårdt... det er enhver rottes værste fjende :D
@@fiskernissen4623 det lyder som en spændende test 🙂
Og interessant at de lette KO's er brugbare. Du har nok haft de samme katastrofale erfaringer med dem i FX som alle andre...
Og ret vildt at du har fået Beast til at virke på så lange afstande 😯 Så er der alligevel håb, hvis vi løber tør for 13.43 gr KO 😃
@@VikingAirgunner Ja... jeg bestilte en dåse af hver da de kom, og af aggression, så blev 10.03 slugs smidt ud af vinduet :D En værre gang lort i en Impact :D
Men skal da lige love for, at de får et helt andet liv, når de bliver skudt med mindre løb. Jeg ved at Søren Drost også er begyndt at finde dem frem igen til hans Ranger. -Og da skyder de vidst også helt godt.
lige mht Søren Drost, så har han også haft gode erfaringer med Beast på lange afstande... så det handler om power, jo mere jo bedre :D
@@fiskernissen4623 Jeg kunne være interesseret i, hvilke løb JSB har testet dem mon? 🤔
Der er flere typer hagl, som jeg har testet, der ikke har været sagen i FX løb, men så længe at jeg har både hagl og slugs, der virker, så er jeg tilfreds. Og så kan min lille hjerne også overskue situationen 😃
PT er KO 13,43 min go-to ammo. Den er billig og lige så præcis som NSA, der er en del dyrere. Og så var erfaringen med 500 mm lineren, at der skulle skrues nærmest urimeligt højt op for regulatoren for at få 15 gr op på 980 fps. Så må jeg indrømme, at der går Praktiske Gris i mig, så jeg holder mig til KO indtil videre. Og der er masser af testing at lave med dem endnu 🙂
If you can, please try some varmint knockers. He makes them in 13.5g, 15g, 15.5g, 16.5g, and 18.5g.
Do you know where to get them? 🤔
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You need very slow twist rate to shoot accurate.
Hi. Maybe decreasing the velocity or changing the moderator….maybe. On the other hand your compressed air has a lot of steam what do you use? Try a dry filters and the performance of your airgun increased. This are my thoughts. Thank for your work with small cals
Thanks for your comment 🙂
Those could be some interesting factors to take into consideration 🙂
My bottles are always filled at a diveshop, but I might wanna check it out.
Have a nice sunday 🙂
I get the same looking plume but it started happening with my Maverick .25 when I started lubing my slugs with silicone spray. I tried without and the exit plume disappeared. So the question is, are you lubing your pellets or slugs?
If you pass 880fps the risk of destabilizing is higher with any diablo style pellets.
I think that it is much dependant on the barrel. I have never had them grouping well at lower velocities. Only over 900 fps. Once I even had them pellet on pellet at 980 fps 😳
@@VikingAirgunner True, pellet design and weight forward plays a big part as well, I have found that say a h&n trophy doesn't like any fast speed but a h&n barracuda can be pushed hard. So any pellet with a high foc can been pushed harder but if as with most pellet that have an even weight balance then the 880 seems to be the limit.
@@michaelhunter3471 When I was shooting pellets my velocity aim for starters was always around 885, and many times it was very close 🙂
The only ones liking to be shot faster was jsb monster redesigned and the Beast.
Might be running them to fast causing them to destabilize.
too fast a not enough weight. yes. balance is the solution.
Pellets loose stability at distance When you shoot them too fast. Try turning the speed down a bit, and then do annother test 😵😉
You are absolutely right and with the lighter pellets I would never cross the 900 pfs, but I just never had the Beasts grouping under 920 pfs. I have tested them extensively from around 800 and all the way to 1000 fps. At one point I had them stacking on 34m at 980 fps, so in my gun they have loved the higher velocities.
In wich gun are u using them? Barrel? Cal?
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@Gainstrup Hehe I would very much like to see you blow pellets with a blowpipe 😀 I would be an instant UA-cam sensation 😀
Its really interesting to see that people have different experiences with the different models and ammo.
As Im always saying - there are many "right" velocities. and Im sure that its bcs of the vibrations of the gun. So there can be many right speeds - even in one gun. I remember having Redesigned stacking a both 840 fps and 915 fps in my MK2 STX 500 mm.
Best regards (and a late Happy New Year to you 🙂)
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@Gainstrup I was thimking the same, but then again, if we buy a new car we still have to Pay for upgrades 🤔 So I have started not to blame them 😃
@Gainstrup Winter tires are the smart upgrade 😃
You know the content of my garage, but my daily driver is a Peugeot 107 and I love it 😍
You need to try them at slower speeds 850-900
I tried that buddy but without any luck 🙄
Fps???
932 fps.
I could hit easily a small can with my standard HW100 30J using JSB monster 13.43 Gr on that distance..
Good for you 🙂
De resultater du får på 33m kan jeg kun få på 20-25m kommer jeg op på 30m så får jeg de samme resultater som du gør på 75m.
De er nærmest livsfarlige at skyde😅
Men tror det handler om hastighed, tror mange vil nok mene at 923fps er til den lave ende med jsb beast tror man skal op på 950-970fps
Jeg tror, at du har ret! Jeg har tidligere skudt dem med 980 fps, hvor de gik superb, men af én eller anden grund kunne jeg ikke få dem til at gå godt ved den hastighed til denne test. Men da jeg skød dem ved 980 var det også problemer ved længere distancer. Dog ikke testet så grundigt som her.
Dra dem ned i 860 ish heller. Pellets stabiliserer helt motsatt av slugs, og høy hastighet får dem til å miste stabilitet etter noen meter.
mis saludos siento mucho no escribirte en ingles ,me gustaria hagas una prueba a 1030 fps los 13.43 jsb .177 ,saludos un fuerte abrazo
Hi Luis
I found the translation function so no worries about language from here 🙂 And sorry for me not knowing this.
I actually tested the KnockOuts 13.43 at around 1020 fps before I started shooting Zans and they did a really good job. And maybe you are right - maybe I should make a video where I test the KnockOuts at high velocities 🤔🙂
@@VikingAirgunner ejemplo estos fueron unos tiros a 1058 más menos , a 103 metros con aire de 10-15 km/h te mando la foto fueron 6-7 disparos deja ver si puedo poner la foto aunque sea !!! Jejeje
Hi I think the speed is to high
Try tmem on 880 feet @ 75 m
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Ballistic coefficient says no.
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Welcome aboard 🙂
Don't know what to say about the group at long range. But, mate, a fat man's breathing? Are you kidding? I watched your free diving video and I'm sure you breathe better than most of us 😀 Even if it was 14 years ago.
You might be right 😃
But its not only many years ago - also a decent number of kilos 😂
Try 950 to 1000fps
Its kinda funny bcs I had them shooting extremely well at 980 fps in the STX, but I have not been able to make them work at that velocity in the superior liner 🙄
a 1030'1050 los vas a tirar a100m jejejeje prueba
With all the respect my NOVA VISTA LEVIATHAN make better groups at same distances you shot.
jsb 22 old monster are sucks, use jsb redisigned instead.
I could do better with ancient pcps and pellets for 80 yards. You need different sized slugs perhaps
Different barrel likes different ammo 🙂
Check out my channel for LOTS of slug testing 🤗
а зачем искать альтернативу если beast доступны?