H&N 177 Slugs Review
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2022
- This is a review of the new 177 slugs from H&N.
I am testing the slugs in 13 and 16 gr on 34m, 75m, and 100 m.
The settings of the Impact is 134 bar on the reg.
What I did not make perfectly clear in the video is that the groups shot on 75 and 100 m are the best of MANY attempts. The other attempts were mostly not even close to the ones that I chose for the video, and that is also a reason for my verdict.
The tuning of the gun while using the H&N slugs was very challenging and while other slugs can be tuned within one single mag, these took several tries, as mentioned in the video.
A 5 cm group at 100 m might seem ok for some, but when it is the best group of 8, it is uacceptabel.
All attempts with the 16 gr at 75 and 100 m are done at 907 fps. Higher velocities proved worse as you can see in the video.
So this also explains why I will not buy them again. The slug that I will compare the 16 gr H&N to is the 15 gr NSA and it can be shot at 980-990 fps. So why chose a slug that is performing its best at 907 fps over that???
Peter, as always, great video. Yes, you saved me the trouble of testing the H&Ns; too bad as I had high hopes :( Although I liked this format of short and to the point editing, I miss your in depth commentary from your previous videos- either way, very viewable. Thanks for your time and effort, much appreciated!
Hi Felix
I glad that you watched the video and that it saved you the trouble 😃
I know that I left out quite a few informations. I notice when I edited the video, so I wrote a few extra informations in the discription of the video 🙂
Have a great weekend mate 😎
Well timed in presenting this Peter. Thank you. I'm still working through those 18g Griffins that I purchased and while I'm generally happy with them ( they hit hard and do expand very well ) I do find that I'm still preferential to the 13.43 KO's. I haven't tried the zans yet. I'm not fx - RTI Prophet Performance with a short'ish 450mm barrel. The KO's- 980's. The 18g Griffins - low 900's.
You will love the 13 gr from ZAN! The KO's are still great but I like the idea of having different slugs in different weights to choose from.
Thinking about testing the 20,5 gr NSA in a very near future 😃
Hey Peter - another great video. I was really hoping for a different result because H&N are my all time favourite, but this means I'll carry on tuning to get my NSA's tighter with my Mk2 600mm. Looking forward to the next one !
I really hoped that the result would have been better but saddly the whole proces around using the slugs was hard and not that fun.
Im pretty sure that your NSA'S will do a much better job.
I might test the NSA's in one of my next videos. 12.5 - 15 and 20.5 gr. Really excited about the 20 gr since I never tried anything heavier than 16 gr 😃
Well done 👍.
I am grateful and thankful for your thoughts and honestly.
Thank you Gary 🙂
Very informative video Peter, as usual. You have saved me from buying these tests fir testing 😄. Have tested the Zans 13, 16 and 20 , loved the 13, liked the 16 and I am still struggling to like the 20 ! I shall send you my results when I am over testing them with my musled-up Crown when I finish, so that we can compare
Hi Andreas
It is nice to hear that we have similar results. And off cause I m very happy to hear that I have saved you the trouble - even if I had really hoped that the results had been different.
Im excited to hear about the results of the 20 gr! I have just recieved the 20,5 gr NSA and Im planning to test them in a near future - have one video to do first 😉
@@VikingAirgunner Looking forward to your bew tests Peter. I also applied for the fx 177 group in fb, I hope I will be accepted.
@@andreascharalambous6992 I just opened the door 😃
Welcome aboard 😎
@@VikingAirgunner Pleasure to be on board Peter
Thanks for doing this review. I kind of felt this would be the results coming from the FX. .177 are very picky. I have not been able to order these in the states as they do not even seem to be up for sale. Right now my favorite .177 slug is the 13grn JSB knockout for me. How about you ?
Almost the same here. I have been using the KO's 13.43 gr for a long time with great results, but since I tested the Zan 13 gr they have taken over.
Agree with the FX liners being picky 😃 Would love to have seen the 16 gr from both Zan and H&N perform well, so the closest well performing slug is the 15 grain NSA.
I know that H&N are focusing on the european market bcs of the situation right now, but I hope that they will be available in the rest of the world soon - and that they will perform well in other barrels 🤞
I saw a video yesterday on UA-cam with the South African Gherard guy shooting his Impact M3 700mm .177 cal hitting birds at 200 yards. He was using the H&N .177 cal .20 grain slugs at 930 fps. It would be nice to see you test those just to see if they are really that accurate at least 100 yards? Great video as always!
Hi Rob
Kinda funny you should mention it bcs I was just telling a guy in the comments on this video that my plan is to test the 20,5 gr NSA sometime in a very near future 😃
I saw the video from Gerhard and the results are really great 😎
In a thread on H&N'S FB he actually told me that the 16 gr are quite sensitive so the 20 gr could be an easier job.
FX has a 700 mm heavy slug liner commin in 177 so maybe that should be one to wait for 🤔
@@VikingAirgunner Hello Viking, yeah I have the 700mm .177 M3 barrel with slug probe and have had a little luck with the .13 gr Knock Outs. I haven’t pushed them 980 fps but probably is the ticket. I am definitely looking forward to the slug liner. Thanks!
@@robg.9832 Nice to hear that you get those results. My best group at 100 is in the same confuguration at 980-ish 🙂
Just also watched gerhald from south africa testing the 20gn h&n .177 slug and he is using a 1:18 twist linear barrel, maybe the new .177 slugs have a choice of barrel?
Hey Peter, am shooting my Crown Continiuum in 177 now. 700 liner stainless tube and carbon tension tube. Huma moderator.
Did change original spring guide, can fit 4 gr hammer weight now. Reg on 150. Stock FX transferport, changed to Huma V2 port soon.
Hammer maxed out, 2.5 mm free play spring system. Huma power spring
10 gr Zan at 1169 fps did very wel at 50 mtr……..yep I was surprised to. 13 gr Zan at same setting did 1077 fps did around 30 mm at 50 mrt
The 16 gr Zan did 1012 fps and at 50 mtr around 40 mm. The 20 gr zan at 929 did around 100 mm ……but there where little cloverleaf clusters with flyers till 100 mm. Shots where all at the same reg and hammer setting. Just had no more time. And as it was the first time with the Zan, I wanted a ‘ feel’ how the Crown did.
Like I said , am waiting for the Huma V2 port. Hope that the Crown will breathe better with a bigger port. And that it will perform better with a lower reg setting.
I have also the idea that my liner has a rather tight choke which has quite a ‘ breaking’ effect on the 20 gr which has quite a large ‘ bearing’ surface. Also the liner leads up a but more than I like. Specially in the choke area.
But I will test more seriously when I have the V2 ports. I realy like the 177 slugs and hope I find a good tune for the 20 gr.
Those are very high velocities - Im sure that your groups will tighten up if you lower it to under 1000 fps for them all 🤔
As for the dual hole transfer port be aware that your spread will increase quite a bit. With the 700 mm liner Im sure that you can get close to 950-980 fps with the 20 gr with the original transfer port 🙂
Did do the reg at 160 but with the 20 gr 929/930 was the limit with my Crown. Actualy I removed the hamer weight for a peek dummy and reduced the reg till 135 and the 20 did 910… with much less variation. The V2 ports do very well in my other FXs. Do not have more variation than with my original ports. We will see.
I like watching my uncle's videos, the unit is very good, greetings one barrel my uncle, nice to meet you.
Very nice 👌
Thanks for sharing 👍
In my FX i have problems getting the 16 grain H&N running good, but in my Vulcan 3 deal with them much better.
I am still going to pick up a tin or two of the 13 and 20 grainers too, but my hopes are not high.
I also very much wonder how that southafrican guy can get them to shoot as good as he do, i have tried the 16 gr ones in my maverick with a reg of 150 and down to 110 and have had little luck.
Also on my maverick shooting heavy stuff, i can get them to fly fast, but cant seem to get a proper flat shot string on the chrono, and i have tried a hammer a little heavier than the original one too, even another spring.
All i have left to try is the most heavy hammer i have, but really i do not think that is the problem at all.
A couple of days ago i got 5 more boxes of the 13 gr Zan from "GP" my storage suitcase are now filled predominantly with zan 13 grainers and 2 - 3 boxes of both the 16 and 20 gr, the H&N and KO slugs are stored in a kitchen cabinet and the Knockouts i of course also have quite a few tins off, also 3 boxes of 12.5 gr NSA.
The ALU storage suitcase are so heavy i do not dare to use its carry handle, if i drop it on my foot it will be crushed, 21 boxes of ammo do weigh a few kilos.
Pellets too, TBH that shelf i have them on in the kitchen, i better not put more tins on there :-) the ones i got from you are still in my car, i keep forgetting them, will have to try again today.
Going to work ( on model railway ) and shooting Sun / Mon though shooting will probably just be on Monday, and the next weekend also look promising, so we might have our July 4 celebration then with lots of BBQ and single malt,,,,, + shooting of course.
O ! And i have a new 0.,5 L CF tank on the way, it will be fitted with the valve from the FX alu tank, so all the tanks i use are 300 bar
I think that the short answer is - you got plenty of great ammo, so dont worry that the H&N'S are not performing well 😃
Have fun shooting mate 🙂
@@VikingAirgunner O i am buddy :-) now i just await that slug barrel to go to the next level on the FX rifle, and the AGT vulcan 3 pick up the pieces quite nicely.
I would also like to try a box or two of the 20 grain NSA, even if i like you will probably shoot 13 grain.
@@peashooter950 I just got my hands on a box of 20,5 gr NSA 😎
look like very happy bro
please make video 100 yard pin point shoot with m3 16&14 grain slug. if you find right tune so please inform me whats setting you tune m3 i have also m3 177 600mm barral but i dont know whats setting is right 16 gr slug for pin point shoot... if you have any information about tune pls pls inform me
Air Hunter Gerhard tune so good...... Mine also good but sometimes some liner dont like at all, one of my friend impact dont like at all and the old wildcat loves im very surprised
Basically I dont think that there is much difference between liners of one type, but between the the types of liners an lenghts there are big differences.
There might be a perfect tune for these slugs, but if I cant find it after so many shots with my experience I simply run out of patience when tuning a 13 gr ZAN takes half a mag.
Im planing to order a FX Impact on .177 soon and start the journey towards grouping at 100m=) I wonder what scope you are using and what scope you would recommend? In the beginning im just gonna use a cheap Leopold 3-9x40 i have as a loaner but i bet i have to invest in something more proper to reach 100m.
Hi 🙂
Sounds exciting with a much new gun! What model did u have in mind?
Im using the Element Titan on my Impact and the Element Helix 6-24 on the Wildcat. Both are great scope and they give a great view on 100 m. The Titan being the most expensive is a better scope for sure, but the Helix is defenately not bad.
I only have experience with these and a Hawke Sidewinder so I cant really claim to have enough knowledge about other scope.
For honest and prof reviews on many different scope I will recommended Cyclops - his chanel has a longer name that I dont remember, but it is the guy with the eye patch.
@@VikingAirgunner Thank you for replying=) The gun wil be a FX Impact M3 in the 4.5/177 caliber. I have not shot a rifle for 20 years now so i wil have to learn everything all over again, and i never shot with a scope, just iron sights. So i do not know what magnification thats needed for ~100m. Now that you have tested both the Helix and the Titan, would you pay the extra for a Titan over a Helix if you had to buy the scope again? I wil check out Cyclops channel, i found it and it sure has a long name:P
@@trulsvian Im really happy with the M3 after I returned all components to stock. So accurate and with a near non exciting spread in velocity!
The tuning of the gun can be a Challenge to learn, but there are a few videos explaining how to do it in a simple way. I will try to give my advice in a video soon on how to tune it, but untill then Ernest Rowe has a great video explaining it. Matt Dubber also explains it.
If money is not an issue I will take the Titan any day. But depending on what you will use it for. I shoot primarely at 34 m in my yard and even here it outperforms the Helix. Not bcs the Helix is bad, but bcs the Titan is so good 😎
Finally these are also available in Denmark or what? I would love to try them 😉 so excited
Im not sure if they are available in shops here. I got mine from Germany 🙂
But if you live close to Randers you can buy they rest of mine 😂
Oh, no I live in Østsjælland, but maybe you want to ship them with DAO or Post Denmark.
@@Laszlo858 Find me on FB - Peter Lind Pedersen and send me a message 🙂
They are listed in Huma, and i think it was Krale og Mundilar, but sold out both places.
They are listed as in stock in JSB Diabolos but they currently are holiday closed until the 17th this month.
.177 👍 not too bad !
Slugs it's good for a hatsan BT65 elite .177 (baril Lothar Walther &fac)? Thanks
I have never tried a LV barrel so I cant really say. But buy different weights and test 🙂
very good shooting... but this gun is want to right tune... if you exact tune of 16 grain slug form pallets prob so she can pin point shoot at 100 & more yard.
I tried several tunes and didnt find the spot. And I think Im pretty good at finding a tune. Example - after shooting these it took me 20 shots to be spot on with the 13 gr ZAN 😉
@@VikingAirgunner Which setting of tune m3 perfact zero at 100 yard... 1st reg? 2nd.reg?microµ?valve?
@@TechTrainerAbid I tried so many different tunes so I would not give you a good tune anyway 👍
Very informative, but also very surpricing as these slugs are co developed by Gerhard SA who is an FX fanatic and employed by FX.
I also had my eyes in these slugs but could only find them om JSB Diabolos and when i had gathered enough money for a decent order, they had suddenly holiday closed 😰. Im still going to order these as a test, but now maybe only one tin of each.
I dont own an Impact, yet, but shooting with a Air Venturi Avenger and some cheaper Snowpeak ones.
Maybe they Will perform different for me.
PS you should have retried the 13 grains with the 700 barrel once mounted, but i know one could try All different combinations, and NEVER finish the video 😂.
Thank you for a good video.
Greetings from Viking X, a Fellow danish shooter
Hey fellow Viking 😎
Yes there are so many combinations to try and different reg settings.
I actually tried the 13 gr in the 700 mm after the video and it was not a succes - at all!!
I would not be surprised if it works well in the Avenger 🙂
I Will order some from JSB Diabolos when they open shop again, and let you know later.
I can currently only shoot Short distances in my own garden though.
PS im also rebuilding a Hatsan AT44 Long 5,5 mm into a Street legal 4,5 mm with a conversion Kit
Hatsan claims that the 5,5 mm has 51 Joules of energi, unregulated, so ill also be testing some 20 grains later to see how they perform in the Hatsan 4,5 mm converted
@@Viking_X That sounds like a great match 😃
And interesting project 😎
@@VikingAirgunner if it sh00ts 0k, ill als0 get a regulat0r f0r the Hatsan.
4300 DKR didnt include a regula0r back in 2011 ;)
Peter ...I own Impact mk2 and vulcan 2 both in .177.. and in my opinion fx liners sucks..
I NEVER hed issue with AGT ..10 grain hn 10 grain ko mk3 13 grain ko jsb and 13 grain from hn works excellent.
With impact on another hand is guessing game and all power setings is just more confiusing... whatas the point to have it if barell sucks. I ve tester few liners all the same.
Fx is lack of consistancy...
My buddy used CZ barell in compact and is laser and almost no fussy to the pelets /slugs...
Hi Peter.
Do you have Slug liner in this test? 🤔 (Er det ok at skrive på dansk til dig? 🙏)
Hi Kion 🙂
Currently there is not a slug liner in 177, so Im using a standard STX Superior liner 🙂
I prefer english so that others can benefit from our conversation 🙂
In case of something more specific you are welcome to write me on FB 🙂
Just wondering why 177 for slugs ??? Iam not trying to be a jerk just curious. I run .30 and .25 I think Iam going to make the switch to 22 because of the selection of slugs ..
Hi Dough
I didnt see u as a jerk bcs of your comment 😃
Basically the same advantages as in other calibers. Only that pellets destabilize much quicker in 177. I did a test where I tested if JSB Beast (16.2 gr - and the heaviest pellet I know) could be a sub for slugs. Found out that they are doing ok untill like 65 m and after that not so well.
So to get a tight group at 100 m the slugs are a must 😎
Crazy, in .25 cal I’ll take the H&N slugs over the Zans every day of the week. Too bad the .177 isn’t the same case.
I was really hoping that they would perform well!
The thing speeds and groups.. is different from gun to gun. It's all harmonics
One slug on one gun may be perfect at 910 fps
Another gun similar setup 925fps may be the right speed 🤗
And when the temperarure changes. So many different factors.
Maybe you must test this slug with stx heavy barrel 700mm or 600mm
After installing the heavy liner in both 600 and 700 mm I did the test again - but saddly with the same result.
And from what I hear from others they have the same experiences 😐
muito muito bom parabéns muito este teste.
Muito obrigado meu amigo. Tenha um òtimo final de semana 😎
Can it be used with a break barrel
Good question!
I have not tested it myself, but I can only imagine that you can - IF you a 1/2 unf attachment on your barrel ☝️ If not Im sure that an adapter van be made 🤗
With 960-980 ft/sec muzzle velocity, much better groups are available, especially with the 16gn slug! /100m/
I tried but had no luck 🙄
My FX Maverick loves the H&N 13gr and the 13.43gr Knockout :) Mine is like a shotgun with ZAN 13gr.. no barrel is identical :)
You are right 😃
At wich velocity do you shoot the 13 gr H&N?
@@VikingAirgunner 980fps, same as the Knockout. 500mm barrel, stx superior liner. 170bar 1st reg, 135bar 2nd reg, hammer at 5.
@@VikingAirgunner UPDATE - tried the 16gr with the same setup, and it shoots 5 shots in one hole at 24 meters (garden shooting range 😂) at 924fps, same settings as above . Super impressed!! I joined your FB group yesterday, will post results later. My 600mm barreled hatsan and artemis hates H&N though.
@@ChristianoMoe nice that you got it working, but can you streach the distance? Many kinds of ammo will perform well at the shorter distances, but when you go to maybe 75 m it will be a different story.
@@VikingAirgunner never tried further than 50 meters with airguns and I have yet to test the H&N slugs at that distance. I'll try some 100m groups at the range this weekend if the weather permits it. I just started out with airguns after shooting centerfire and rimfire all my life. I actually participated in an ipsc match in København a few years ago 😀 I miss Danmark...
with slugs you will have more tuning rebarreling and luck if it will work.
You never know till you try them .
I really hope that people find them more consistant than I did 😳
The .177 caliber is very unpredictable and difficult to set up. Those 200-yard shots seem more like marketing than anything else. In addition, all shooters only show the good results and keep the ideal configuration secrets for ourselves. It is normal after a great effort firing 700 shots. Peter good job. I think it's very honest. And I like the .177 cal. THX!
The only time that I would attempt a 200 y shot was only for pure fun. The difference between 75 and 100 shows that there is a limit to the 177. I used to shoot 125 m but new I rarely do bcs it starts to feel too random. I dont know with the 20 gr in a well tuned gun but I intend to find out 😃
I share my settings on FB FX 177 Owners and you are welcome to join 🤗
Thanks for your comment and Best regards
Peter P 🙂
Este calibre .177 é o ponto x do esporte
Im entirely sure what you mean? 🤔
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Very nice 👌
Thanks for sharing 👍