Airgun Pellets vs. Slugs Tutorial - Which is right for you?
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- In this Insyder video, we’ll break down the differences between pellets and airgun slugs, the newest craze to be introduced to the shooting world. We’ll explore the pros and cons of each in a variety of different factors - such as expansion, price point, ballistic coefficient, penetration, and more. And, we'll discuss where each fits into your airgun arsenal whether you are a hunter, long-range shooter, or simply want to do some target practice.
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🔴 Predator Polymag .22 Cal, 16.0 Grains:
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🔴JSB Match Diabolo Hades .22 Cal, 15.89 Grain:
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🔴 H&N Slug HP, 23 Grains
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🔴 FX Hybrid Slug, .22 Cal, 22.0 Grains
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🔴 JSB KnockOut Slugs .217 Cal, 25.39gr
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Excellent video brother.
One important thing people need to consider. If you are hunting birds, or squirrels in trees. If you miss? And you will! A pellet will be loosing its energy very quickly. But a slug will be flying to somewhere with the ability to still kill. So you must be sure of what's behind your target for a very long ways. A powerful rifle with a heavy slug aimed at the tree tops will go for hundreds of yards, possibly more.
We see this every year when people shoot into the air on New Year's day. A flying bullet hits someone way away and kills them. As Tyler said, a slug is a bullet.
Unless I was in wide open terrain. I would keep my slugs confined to shooting at ground level targets.
God bless you all. 🎯
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There I was feeling all sluggish and Boom! a new video. Thanks Tyler this was very informative and needed.
I can't see the cost of the ammo being significant when your air weapon is $2K.
Not to mention you have eliminated the cost of powder, primers and brass.
Kinda adds up after slinging a few thousand rounds. Specifically for those of us who own $400-500 rifle. 😎
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@@manaz28jose Yeah, like my Diana Stormrider at $315, but it's my first. Which now afforded a 3-9x40 scope, red dot tube, and laser. Plus I'm shooting a LOT! (she'll get over it one day...)
@@tacticalant3841 air guns will be the ultimate weapons of the apocalypse ;)
I love pellets don’t get me wrong they have their place and always will. Slugs...my god I’ve shot nothing but slugs out of my .22 avenger. I use the xlhp Varmint Knockers. 22gr .217 right at 890. Love it. Slugs are king. Especially cause I can shoot out to 200 from my front porch. Great video.
What do you hope to nail at 200yds with an air rifle ?
@@MrAvant123 I don’t hope I said I shoot out to 200 from the porch that’s at silhouettes hot sauce bottles spray paint cans. Longest kill was a skunk at 130 yards.
Outstanding video. You explained differences/similarities/pros & cons, as best I have ever heard. Thank you, Tyler!
Thanks Tylor, that is the information I was looking for. Have a great Air Gun day.
Very good video really informative nice to see you back.
Top notch content, thanks for posting. Loved all the detailed measurements and the gel tests.
Thanks for keeping the sound up so us old guys don't miss a word of what you say. This video is just what I want to help the young folks learn shooting. Long life and a strong voice to you.
Thank you for making this video Tyler much appreciated
Well done! Miss your very informative videos!
Excellent video! Solid info! Thanks!
Yeah another great video and yeah know doubt slugs are here to stay and I truly hope not at the cost of constant pellet development. As we've seen over the past few years pellets have become more accurate and more expansion
I enjoy your videos, they are helpful. Thanks. Do you have, or would it be possible to do a video about the relative gains and losses between the calibers say 22 to 35?
Great video and information very understanding Tyler 👍
Tyler- Super educational. Well articulated. Glad I found this vid.
Fantastic breakdown on the pros and cons - love the visualization. Really helpful video - much appreciated!
Glad it was helpful! You're welcome! Please don't forget to like & share so more people can see this video
Great clip very informative.
Great video. I use both the pellets and slugs, but I shoot pellets more for my type of shooting. The FX Hybrids even expanded like crazy out of my Air Arms S510XS that wasn't able to shoot them fast. They are pretty tight in the barrel. They are accurrate though, and so were the H&N Slugs.
I was agree. Slugs were horrible out of my Air Venturi Avenger originally. I accidentally discovered shooting them slow (750fps) AND with zero hammer they shoot pretty accurate.
Very well done presentation.
Thanks for doing a cool video where you guys been glad to see you back stay safe
Turned out to be a much busier year than anticipated, but not to worry, some good things are coming!
@@tylerpatner6591 good to hear brother keep up the great work
Great information!. Thank you!.
I have been trying slugs out of a couple different airguns that I have one is the crosman multi pump pistol and I was surprised at the difference and I think a big thing is finding the weight slug that works right in your gun
Smoking awesome demonstration of the differences TP.
This video will be getting short cut linked as a standard response to the most asked question in the community.
Thanks for making it.
Thanks Haji! Much appreciated
thanks for the Video Tyler
Great video and Awesome job... Thanks to Share with US
Great video.. I use both....it depends on the application.
love the pellets for me they are accurate for plinking , now this is a great video on slugs and pellets thanks for the information . This really helps me out.
...Some slugs are accurate as pellets ... h&N slugs 27gr 218 @997fps and Javelin 26gr 218@995FPs i put at same Hole using FX impact mkll PP superior heavy liner.22
Well done tyler!!! I guess the only question despite the price is the fact that they are not always available and not all the brands under the same roof jeje!!! Which is i think harder to go on different stores and just try to get one brand
Well, we only showed slugs and pellets that we carry, so if you're looking for any of those, you can find them on our site.
Funny, I was just thinking it has been awhile since a video.
you should try the Javlin Slugs from South Africa, they have a huge HP and they expand like hell.
They are over priced,over hyped and there are other slugs that preform just as well
@@TheOverlyHackeled I agree .... there are many slugs that are very accurate ..... it depends on the barrel of the gun 😎
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Mostly it depends on me and that’s a risky bet🥴
Was playing with a Bulldog with pellets and Nosler and realized for close range situations like home defense pellets deform and quickly dump its energy so make more sense because less chance of pass through. The Nosler can easily pass through an intruder and possibly your neighbor too. They don't deform much going through flesh. Of course depending how far apart the homes are.
I was wondering about home defense use.
Great video you got another subscriber
i have a bull pup set up for nsa slugs,and my daystate regal tuned for 16 grain pellet.
Too me either work. But my Hatsan 135 .25 absolutely loves H&N Grizzly. I shoot the grizzlies under an inch easily at 30 yards freehand. The grizzlies are absolutely devastating on game. With a head shot I definitely think my 135 with the grizzlies would take a coyote with no issues within proper ranges. In my Hatsan 155 Torpedo .22, it absolutely loves the Crosman hollow points and they hit with authority as well. Definitely think even with the Crosman pellets in my 155 it would drop a coyote within proper ranges. The further I get into the airgunning, the more I realize how amazing they are and that a lot of game doesn’t need high fpe like people claim. So be safe and have fun!
the hatsan 135 carnivore .30 is a amazing springer ,i once tryed by experiment ,to shoot the hunters supply 30 cal 79 gr fp .sized to .299 several times ,the gun could shoot the slugs at 125 ms with a steel spring ,. its shoots accurat with the jsb pellets ,44 and 50 grain pellets. just build a gas ram in, set at max power
Good, useful comparison
Excellent video Tylor ! Pretty mich boils it down for ya... Quick question ... Would you have any idea about the possibility of being able to lighten the trigger pull weight on my Airforce Condor SS? Any help would be appreciated..👍👍
Thanks! There may be some aftermarket stuff available that will allow you to lighten it, but I haven't tested anything like that. I'd recommend getting in touch with Airforce directly to see if they have any suggestions for modifying or adjusting the trigger.
Great video.
Great info. staying with pellets for now . need to use up 4 tins if hades for hunting first I shoot job 14.3 have not tried Redesign yet
Yep, slugs are a specific tool in the toolbox, pellets it is for me as well.
I just started shooting Griffin slugs as they come in any weight you can think of and they are made very well compared to the JSB. They will give the FX a run for their money. Especially if you cant shoot the higher-weight slugs they have some super light ones. Will yall ever try them?
thankyou. amazing video.
Thank you!
I shoot condor SS 22 caliber, 18 Gr. JSB pellets, with effective range of 60 to 70 yards, squirrels and rock trucks in farm fields.(target rich). I have not been willing to try slugs at this point, still can’t find evidence that the barrel is suitable for that application. Would like to be able to shoot out to either side of 100 yards retaining enough energy for rock chucks. (5-7 lb animal). Thanks for the article, interesting read and will probably experiment with what’s on the market.
Hey there, slugs being 'barrel fussy' is a great point. Can you be more specific, probably in the barrel twist rate? This is a great subject. Can you help us out?
Hey great demonstration between pellets and slugs. If you could I would like to see you do an accuracy test with these three slugs in 25 caliber. I have an Airforce Condor SS chambered in .25 and im wanting to get the best slugs for it. Got some longer range pesting on some groundhogs in the country at the horse stable. They are doing alot of damage and I need to put a stop to it pretty quickly. I must protect the horses.
Yes. Yes. You must protect the horses. Blast them son's of bitches. Get . 30 fx and good scope. I had same problem. No more. Or as my neighbors say no mas. 😂
Great video...👍Can you do the samé with Texan 45 LSS? 🙂
Very informative been condescending trying slugs enjoy the video
*contemplating?
@@darrelmorehouse6965 🤣
I just bought 10 boxes of FX slugs and 12 tins (500 count) of JSB Hade for my FX impact mark 2.😊
Brother I feel you with the pellets. After all...isn’t that what airguns are all about. Slugs do extend the range but at what range do we normally use our air guns??? Nuff said. I’m with you....Pellets rock!!!!. Thanks bud God BlessZ
I'm staying with slugs with a hope that slug makers will use a softer lead for expansion.
There are these things called molds, you can buy them and make your own out of what ever lead or non-lead alloy (bismuth) you want
You don’t want too much expansion. The FX slugs, actually expand too much and produce less penetration. The JSB slugs expand still continue to penetrate, which is what you want.
@surreallife777 Yeah, your right.
An accuracy test would have been nice to go with this.
this was video was never about accuracy.
Good information Tyler. I have a stack of different slugs sitting here in both .22 and .25 and have yet to see one our guns will shoot. I have said more than once most people already know slugs work out of $3000 guns what many have never seen is how they don't work out of most pcp guns. I guess no one wants to show the downside which more people will run into. I think you and I have talked about it before.
I would still like to see someone pull a few Hatsan or Umarex or whatever brand of lower priced guns out and show them trying to shoot slugs.
Good to see you back hope everyone at PA is doing well.
There are less expensive guns that can shoot slugs well, the Air Venturi Avenger is definitely one of them. But as we said in the video, they definitely need the right barrel to perform well. This could certainly change in the future though. I now test slugs when caliber appropriate as part of our review process, but so far, only a few guns tested have shot them well enough to make it into the review.
At some point, we will probably do a .25 cal slug/pellet comparison video as well, and maybe we will include some different guns there to provide a more in depth look. We shall see.
All the best and thanks for tuning in
@@tylerpatner6591 I think you just mentioned my point, what guns don't like them. That is what no one is willing to show people. Showing the good side is great but it has been done so many times but never the opposite. You put out some of the best content and I think you and PA might be the only channel who might show the other side.
I was going to buy the Avenger but after seeing how many people were having problems I decided to wait.
Thanks for the reply.
@@FollowingGhostI can only speak for our stuff, but basically from this point forward if we are reviewing a gun in a caliber that has slugs available, and you don't see them in the review, that's because they didn't shoot well enough. But I get what you're saying.
@@tylerpatner6591 if you even mentioned it in future reviews you would be doing more to help than is being done now. I wish I could afford the high end guns and run whatever I wanted but like many I buy the best I can. I have been at it long enough to know what to expect but so many people don't have the knowledge yet and it isn't readily available because channels want to show the best not the worst. Okay I will leave you alone so you find more cool stuff to show us. Keep them coming we can always get get information when you post.
@@FollowingGhost I will keep that in mind when doing accuracy recaps, easy enough to at least mention it.
The JSB hades is a game changer very accurate and gets the job done.
It's a great pellet but on both my air rifles they start losing their accuracy when used beyond 65 mtrs.
I think the terminater pellet should have been used which may have shown surprising penitration and expansion. May only be good for 60-70 yrds. but still one of if not the best hollow point. Of course just my preference.
question for in the know shooters : there are some air gun video's that claim slugs wear on your barrel more because they have full contact where as a pellet just has a small part on the head, and the skirt.
As far as the video goes, loved it, I learned so much more about slugs VS pellets _ Thanks
It won't wear the barrel. Lead is way softer than steel.
Like has been said, lead is softer than steel.
Even still, air rifles do not require nearly as much bearing surface as firearms do in order to maintain a hold on the rifling (lower pressures), so you can design bullets with less bearing surface specifically for airguns (Truncated cone- Wasp waisted- boat tail, anyone?)
That might happen in a 5.56 not in a traditional air gun ..
Excellent. The next thing that would be interesting to look at is what kind of barrels respond better to slugs. Also, what exactly distance is the maximum distance in terms of hunting larger game like hogs using a 22 slug, as compared to a 25 slug.
Nice information T,
It would be awesome, and a great deal more informative and applicable, if you make another video and shoot the pellets at around 840 to 890 fps--the highest velocities at which the vast majority of people shoot them (and above which pellets tend to loose accuracy).
The expansion of the pellets relative to one another shot at more common velocities will be different from the results you obtained here. For example, the Polymags will not peel backwards onto themselves--making their final diameter larger--and the other two pellets will not expand as much at standard velocities. This will in turn significantly affect the cavitation and penetration of the pellets, individually and relative to one another.
Likewise the comparison between pellets shot 200 to 400 fps faster than most people shoot them and slugs at their ideal velocities is not relevant for most people.
Also, please provide the distance to the target and the approximate velocity on impact, since that is by far the most relevant velocity.
I see people in the UK talking rabbits at 80yards with a 177 sub 12ft pounds rifle.
They use 8gr. round nose pellets.
One shot kills are no problem. If you can accurately deliver the shot?
Hey Tyler, Thanks for the excellent review. At 9:05 you mention there arent a lot of slug options for springers. Does this mean that slugs generally dont perform well with springers vs igt?
Since 36 and 40 grn bullets are already made by cci is it possible to shoot cci bullets out of a pellet gun? Fps should be around 260-270ish?
Anyway, thanks again.
Stay safe, be well, and God Bless.
That's correct Ken. A lot of the issue with slugs for springers, is that slugs typically are very heavy (when we talk about standard ammo weights for springers/gas rams), and slugs like to be shot fast. Since most spring/gas rams cannot be adjusted greatly like a PCP can, you really get what you get in terms of performance, and often times that's simply too slow to get good consistent accuracy from a springer. Now, Predator/JSB did talk about a lead free slug project at SHOT Show in 2020, so that could offer a lighter weight option that may be doable for spring/gas ram guns, but only time will tell.
@@tylerpatner6591 Hey Tyler, I just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to reply.
Stay safe, be well, and God bless.
Could you put slugs threw the dragon fly 2 and what kind of effect do you think that would have
For my AEA HP SS .30 cal, I like the Hades pellets. I bought it for small game at 50 yards max. The Hades are extremely accurate out to that distance.
For my Hatsan Bully .25 cal, I use NSA slugs to reach out to 100+ yards. After watching this video, I think I'll get some FX Hybrids to try out. Even with slugs, shooting at 100 yards with 70 FPE, wind is still a pain in the butt.
I also have a Hatsan Bullboss .25 that hates slugs. It likes the Hades pellets just fine.
Hi. Can U do a video with a sub 12 gun ?? Would be nice ....before I order some slugs !
Im new to airguns and have not seen “cavitation” as an element in ballistics in the firearms world. Is cavitation an indication of “shock”?
Out standing shipmate. Press on.
You need 2 diff slug diameters and 4 different weights to test the compatibility.for that to happen you need externally adjustable reg and hst.
Not necessarily.
Look at the RAW he is testing. It shoos slugs fantastic. As does the Daystate.
Hi Tylor just what is the general lowest FPS for a slug to work well in both .22 and .25?
Depends on what your definition of "work well" is. I've shot them at 650 fps out of guns with good enough accuracy to take small game at 25-30 yards, but that's not going to be ideal for expansion. At the end of the day, you want to push them as fast as you can. In my experience so far, If you have a barrel that shoots them accurately, the faster the better. But above 850-870 fps range at a minimum is what I'd be looking for....but again, if your gun can send them faster than that, do it!
welldone and very informative on the subject, as You visely said its all depending onn application and what works for You. 👍🔫🇸🇪
I would like to try slugs in my AA S510T Tactical but not sure if I could use them.
amazing video
I’m having trouble getting down wild boars while shooting them in the head with my fx impact 22 and 25 cal. Using pellets !! What the best ammo for a better penetration ?? Thanks
I still use mostly pellets. Where I live if I require longer range and thus slugs I use the powder burners.
Same here. I like pellets for quite and safe shots at 100yards, or less. Usually inside 50yards.
id choose the one that does the job both near ad far, the slug. that said unless youre shooting something small and thin i dont think you have to worry about over penetration of a slug at just over 7 inches at best aint alot of concern.
I use both nice video
What, is the best slug I can use on a 10 pump crossman .177 cal. bb/pullet rifle/gun?
My talonp loves fx 25 cal hybrids😎
Will slugs work in a regular break barrel pellet gun?
Can I use a .22 slug for home and self defense?
Thanks this was very interesting but half of the story was left untold! How about ACCURACY at the same distance? Safe safe.
hi can anybody pls give some advise? i am planning to get an airgun rifle soon. but not for hunting, just for hobby shooting fun, on some hard targets like milk can, window glass, glass bottle, or something hard. i would like to have something that can break / penetrates these objects from probably 100 or 150m. what kind of airgun / calibre / pellets / slugs i should get ? is higher FPS necessary? thanks
I want to cast my own hollow point ammo.
I've seen slug molds but no pellets, they're mostly dome.
Is there such a pellet mold?
Can I make my own molds?
Please correct me if I am wrong. This is a summation.
I own the KERVAN Airboss K-1, 25 caliber. Barrel length is 58 cm. Muzzle velocity. Max. 1100 FPS. 335m/s.
I’m using the JSB exact King Heavy Diablo and JSB slug knockout.
- If i am target shooting/marksmanship from 50 to 100 yards then standard pellets should be fine?
- If I am going for long range target shooting/marksmanship, then I should be using slugs? For example, anything over a 100 yard distance you are going to get less of a trajectory curve fall off, thus in turn more accuracy at long distances?
- If you’re hunting small game at say 50 yards to 75 yards you should use pellets?
- If you are hunting larger game at say 50 to 100 yards, then use slugs because the impact of the slug will be greater than a pellet with more expansion?
@auntysocialist Thanks
What if they made slugs like the lead bullets for black powder rifles. The slugs have three points that touch the barrel. It looks like a tree . Cone pointed end a space then a ring that' touches the barrel, the end ring that goes next to the patch or charge.
How come no nsa slug or any other small manufacturers of slugs? The only slug i would consider here is fx and only pass 50 yards.
I'm currently using H&N slugz and can't fault them at all,,I'm even reluctant to use pellets again!!!
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Do any of the slugs work in a Marauder .25?
There are a variety of .25 cal slugs on the market now you'd have to try. I'd probably start with FX Hybrids and JSB Knockouts.
Nice & Thanks :)
Say Tyler , can the new FX VP MAVRICK 22CAL will be able to shoot slugs right out of the box without changing the barrel ???
The new "Superior" liner is made to shoot both pellets and slugs.
However. The slower twist rate of the pellet liner, or faster twist rate of the slug liner will be better for those individually.
The superior liner is a excellent compromise between the two.
@@heithwatkins thank you
@@heithwatkins Just got my new fx vp maverick 22cal last week deadly accurate pcp , what 22cal slugs would you recommend and diameter ??
You think the .22 Armada would do good with slugs? Not sure what barrel it has. Thanks. I am liking the Hades though.
The Crosman barrels I have tested slugs in will shoot them well out to 25-30 yards, but have a hard time at 40-50. To be fair, there are certainly more slugs available in the market than we showed in this video, so it's absolutely possible that there are slugs Crosman barrels shoot well at greater distances, but I have not found them yet.
@@tylerpatner6591 Whats the least expensive compressor to fill the benjamin 90c air tank? My little Hatsan Tactair..... I dont think that will fill my benjamin tank. Thanks again.
@@Blackscoutwinter That we currently offer, either the Benjamin Recharge or Air Venturi 4500 psi compressor.
@@Blackscoutwinter the China one just about everyone uses has been great for me put good oil in it check tip vids here on UA-cam buy the extended 40$ 3-4 yr warranty good to go
Slug had own benifits but pellet is winner this regar in budget wise also in accuracy wise but slug is good for windage only
This has probably been ask many many times, but why can’t some retailer put together a sample pack of slugs and pellets so I don’t have to have 250 or more of some ammo my gun doesn’t like or won’t fit in my mag or cylinder
It's not really practical to do so sadly. Would require a lot of time and labor on the retailers part. Now if the manufacturers did it, that would be much more realistic. H&N did this when they introduced their .22 slugs to the market. But they also offer considerably more variations (weight and size) than JSB or FX at this point in time. So it makes more sense for them to do it. I believe NSA also offers sample packs of their slugs that you can purchase individually.
Agora faz o teste em longas distâncias , aí e diferente ,
We want slugs for .177 available please! Especially for single action break barrels/pumps.
So do we! I know NSA makes some .177 slugs, check him out
@@tylerpatner6591 You should do a video on those for us for .177's.
I doubt Pyramid Air is going to do videos about a slug that they don't sell.
You have the new knock out jsb .177
I order 1 tin of jsb slugs from my local store they have 10gr or 13gr. I think they launch in this week.
@@heithwatkins Maybe Tyler can suggest to his superiors to sell them! There's definitely a market for it!
If I buy a advertised .22 " pellet pistol " will I blow it up and hurt myself trying to put slugs through it?
Yup, I've talked about this all last year. The idea of pellets going out just isn't real, they have their purpose.
Absolutely. They'll never go away
I’ve got both versions of the Umerex Fusion. Both shoot the 10grn H&N slugs great. Turns tweety birds eating all my chicken scratch into shredded tweet. 😈😁
Are slugs better for taking down big moles?.
I have a 36 Joule .177 IGT air rifle, and I didn't understand why slugs were only recommended for use in PCP's, since 36 Joule muzzle energy should be more than enough.
Then I bought an Acetech AC6000 BT Chronograph to test just how fast my H&N Rabbit Magnum II slugs exited the barrel. To my surprise, the ten shot average speed was less than 190 metres per second - and muzzle energy was around 18 Joule.
Now, my cronograph may not be very precise, and I haven't had the opportunity to test with pellets - and the slugs in my 27 Joule PCP - so I won't immediately make any conclusions, but it does look like the text on the lid of the tin tells the truth: for PCP rifles only.
In a few days I will know more ... and may return.
If you only had a .25 pellet rifle for home defense, which pellet here would be the best defense against a human?
Hades
I would go for slugs but it’s not available where I live
I’m sticking with my Red Ryder and BB’s
Try the copper coated lead BBs. 😁👍
@@heithwatkins is that real
@@charlesphilips2920H&N smart shot copper coated lead bbs. Very little ricochet.
Just wanted to mention that the typical pellet gun is exactly that: a PELLET gun and most don't have the power or the barrel needed for slugs - they are not designed for slugs anymore than the average family car is suited for a race track. Slugs and long range shooting are fun, challenging and expensive - not only the slugs themselves but the rifle and optics as well. IMHO, One of the advantages of shooting pellets is that they ARE short range projectiles; slugs carry a very long distance and retain a lot of energy which is something that you want to keep in mind if you are shooting in populated areas.
True, However a lot of pellet guns will shoot 2 hundred yards accurately.