The Toxic Fame of Jon and Kate | A Family Cursed by Reality TV
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
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Throughout the 2000s, the Gosselins unknowingly set the blueprint for UA-cam family vlogging with their TLC show Jon and Kate Plus 8. After nearly two decades in the public eye, we can now look back on their tumultuous history of fame and analyze what rampant exposure can do to the children caught in the middle.
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TIMESTAMPS:
intro - 00:00
before the cameras - 6:48
tlc publicity - 10:40
televising a crumbling marriage - 13:48
the court of public opinion - 22:48
kate plus 8 - 31:55
controversial aftermath - 37:17
collin gosselin - 42:36
the response - 48:49
kate's diary - 52:55
conclusion - 58:55
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@@Finassamm oh, you know his video on the Ballenger Saga is already cooking...
Jon was abused yet the media shamed him for leaving his abuser.
The media unfortunately doesn't acknowledge that women can be abusive.
If there's one thing that's been proven time and time again, it's that the media will do anything to demonize victims for leaving. No one cares about them until their dead.
Believe all women
@@sporkybutterzi believe all women who aren’t abusers
@@sporkybutterz not all women are victims. Implying otherwise is very sexist
"the mother of your children should never be criticized" ....? That's absolutely ridiculous, a bad mother is a bad mother, women are not untouchable simply because they are women
He also pointed out it's not fair. I think the guy was warning Jon he needed to be careful what he said publicly because it could be used against him in a custodial battle. Because it could be. It's called parental alienation. It doesn't matter how justified it is, a family court judge almost always looks down on a parent who says bad things about the other parent even if the bad things are all true.
Sexism
I think he meant specifically by their partners in public, not in general. It's ridiculous either way, though. And if anyone deserves criticism, it's Kate.
"The mother should never be criticized....."
Okay....
Susan Smith
Dianne Downs
Andrea Yates
The guy meant that he shouldn’t say that about their mother on tv where their kids would see it.
I agree with what you said but I think that’s what the interviewer meant. He was thinking about the kids.
The fact that people SEE Kate abusing Jon and still take her side proves how stupid people truly are.
I hope she marries a wife beater one day so no one believes her tbh
Literally NO one thinks Kate was a good wife. No one. People are smarter than you clearly think.
@@HereForTheComments990 Yeah, NOW. Clearly in the video, I was proven right.
no, it proves how strong white women tears are
Unfortunately society has a long way to go in addressing domestic violence done to men.
the fact that she shipped Collin off so some undisclosed place without telling Jon and he couldn't even get help from law enforcement or the courts to find his son is insanely disgusting, this woman needs to be jailed
get a grip...this happened years ago.
Get a grip, what Kate did to Collin is uncalled for and abusive that Kate isolated Collin from his father for three years so Collin wouldn't tell Jon he was being abused by his mother Kate knew if Jon had found out he would have probably pressed charges against Kate and filed for custody of Collin which would put Kate Plus 8 on hiatus no way was Kate going to allow that to happened emotional abused stay with the victim for a long time.
@@LaraCroftEyes1What she did to that little boy was sick and she should be ashamed of herself.
Totally 😢@@Anita_Backrub
I agree 1000 percent. I never heard that Kate did this but I cannot believe it was in any way legal to ship him off AND not tell his father??? How can that be true. It is absolutely disgusting, I feel so sorry for Jon, he has been trying to save his kids from their monster mother but to hear how she abused Colin makes me sick. She should be in jail with the outher mothers like Franke and Vander Ark!!! I reallly hate Kate more than I ever did.
_"The mother of your child is not supposed to be criticized"_ has to be the dumbest statement I've ever heard. There are and have been so many situations in which mothers have abused and even killed their children, but they're not to be criticized ? 🥴
I was thinking the same. Like who is this white knight and what business does he have assuming he knows all of the intimate details of another dude’s relationship
I had to pause the video and lean back in my chair staring at the ceiling in disbelief. I cant believe he said that.
It would've been so hard not to criticize her when 1) she'd say something in private than public and 2) she went on her own pr tour to humanize herself and demonize him.
I think some people say that due to the labor women go through to give birth to children. Which is even more sad to think about- just because a woman carried a child does not excuse her from criticism.
It's like people saying, "Don't treat your mother like that, she gave birth to you!"
So, mothers are allowed to abuse their offspring just because they had sex, and get away with it? We are supposed to sit back and take it?
Hearing Collin as a three year old crying and saying "He's my buddy" about his stuffed animal being thrown away absolutely broke me. That's a baby. He was just a baby. No baby deserved that.
It broke me as well. I’d never forgive my folks if they threw out my favourite toy. I feel bad for those kids, that mom is the definition of pure evil
For real...I sat through the rest but that poor sad toddler omg...how can you make your kid cry like that over something easily fixable.
Same… I broke at that point. That poor baby. A teddy bear is real to a three year old. It would feel like having a real animal torn away, like having your closest friend snatched from you. That poor poor baby, I can’t imagine what else he’s been through.
when i was around that age, i had my favorite stuffed animal cut up by my dad as punishment. It sounds stupid as shit, but that type of shit will stay with you because it shows how abusive parents can be from the literal start of your life. That kid's gonna remember that
@@_b_e_a_n_s_I would've lost my mind. I'm so sorry that was done to you and I hope you've found some peace.
picking a scapegoat child is typical of abusive parents, it happens in most households with parental abuse.
I'm so curious of the psychology behind that.. You're so right and I related it to every child abuse case i've read about, viewed in person or via shows. Why, what makes them choose one? It reminds me of the Simpsons when the bully could smell Lisa Simpson under the desk
@@tumble0weedToxic families often develop a "scapegoat" to serve as a single point of blame for the toxicity within the family. The scapegoat essentially allows the rest of the family to maintain plausible relationships with one another, because anything that goes wrong in their relationship can simply be blamed on the scapegoat. Children often join in on the targeting of the scapegoat as a protective mechanism, because if the scapegoat stops existing, they might become the scapegoat themselves. Additionally, children are often unaware of how toxic their family dynamic is, because they don't know anything else.
The choice of which child is the scapegoat is usually arbitrary, but your odds of becoming the scapegoat increase if you are different in any way from the rest of the family, i.e. if you're neurodivergent, if you're a different gender, if you have atypical gender expression (particularly if you're an effeminate boy/AMAB), or if you look different from your siblings (different hair color, eye color, etc. You're also extremely likely to become a scapegoat if you have different parentage from the other children, especially if the main adult abuser is not blood related to you.
oh you're right! the first I heard of this was when watching a deep dive on the Girl Defined sisters and the history and toxicity of their family dynamics. The oldest son in that family came out on reddit and revealed an abusive mother. he was her scapegoat too.
I was that child in my family.
Yeah me oldest of 6 mother constantly in my face
Kate's description of Collin's behavior at two was normal. Two year olds spill things, throw things, knock things over, and yell. They're learning physics, motor coordination, and how to speak by doing these things.
His behaviour is totally normal- her’s was not!!! (I know that’s what you meant) I hate to hear people say of a TWO year old’he knee what he was doing and he did it just to annoy me’ aarrgghh
Right. And the strange thing is how she singled him out. He literally wasn’t the only two year old in the home at that time. He was one of Six two year olds. I can’t help but think that he favored Jon more than the other kids. Every time she saw Collin she saw a 2 or 3 or 12 year old “mini Jon”.
That's why they call it "the terrible twos". She's horrible!
She had other 5 of them, they surely had their 2yo behavior also. She just hated this one.
@@seekwisdom5102 exactly. In the show intro (I remember from back in the day,) Alexis was the "wild" one, yet she singled out Collin. Collin looks the most like Jon and Kate clearly hated her husband. I have a feeling that's why she singled him out. Collin appeared to prefer his dad as well.
God, the big sister (who is not very big!) trying so hard to reason with her mother about the teddy bear because she wanted to protect her brother was just heartbreaking.
And Kate YELLS AT HER. Literally teaching her kids that they have no control over their lives, their feelings don’t matter, the things they love are liable to be taken and discarded at any time, and if they try to stick up for themselves or others they will be punished. What an awful mother
Reminds me of trying to stick up for my little brother growing up... I wish parents like Kate didn't exist but they're not uncommon
Also, treating your kids comfort object like nothing more than a dirty tissue just shows she doesn't care about her kids well being
@@sourgreendolly7685truly. i’m so glad none of my friends who are parents spank their kids. my younger sibling once stuffed pillows under their clothes and threw themselves between me and our mom when she was trying to “spank” (read: hit) me with a wooden spoon.
our parents to this day think that story is hilarious … but my sibling and i made a pact around that time that if either of us ever had kids, we’d never spank them *because we knew when it was happening to us that it was wrong*
so grateful for my sibling; i can’t imagine how much harder it’d be to have no allies at home
@@TheOtherBoobJustDroppedmy mom in a nutshell
Kate was the original Karen; she made that haircut a statement ruining it for all other women forever. What a legacy.
O o bobbin oñ0n no p.
An icon.
do you guys even know where the term Karen originated from? Because women like that existed before Kate was even born.
@@loserlesbutchI’m pretty sure it’s a joke
She reminds me of my own mother. I left home at seventeen and 10 years later I am no contact with her. I've never been happier.
The letter and the fact Collin SMUGGLED it out of the facility is actually the most terrifying thing ever. The boy was trapped and desperate to get out, i feel so bad for him.
Murderers in Fed Pen get to write letters.
And for two whole years! His mom just locked him up there, never visited and never let anyone know. So bizarre that she didn't get punished in any way for that
That seems like child abuse to me!
Where was he?
“They could barely support the two they had”.
Both unemployed they then PAID FOR IVF to conceive!?
Disgustingly irresponsible behavior even if they “only” had one more.
Right??? Literally my first thought
Tbh not really. Kids are precious and really don’t need much more than love and attention.
6 kids though, at once? wow.
They were unemployed after the birth of the six, six newborn children require multiple caretakers. Another note “They could barely support the two they had” could be in reference to low paying jobs, or only one parent working at the time, it was known that Kate had just finished nursing school and may have not found a job yet due to becoming pregnant so soon afterwards.
I could be wrong, but I bring this up as food for thought.
@@THNDERHDS you're a bit delusional
@@THNDERHDS You must be joking or dellusional. Kids need food, shelter, medicine, vaccines, doctor visits, cribs, clothing, diapers, etc. These are material needs, love is what motivates a parent to work their hardest at providing it, but love and attention aren't magic. It's not lack of love that makes these things expensive. Much like providing it isn't always evidence of love.
Let's call it what it really was- Kate wasn't just a Karen. She was mentally and emotionally abusing Jon on TV. And if Collin really did have violent tendencies, they came from Kate. She was blatantly abusing her husband and kids on TV and people tried to rehabilitate her instead of protect them.
Exactly. Jon was emotionally abused, and the scapegoat in the family until he left. Then Collin took that role when Jon left. It was already possibly developing when he was little, but really grew once their dad wasn't in the home. That poor kiddo. TLC assisted in the abuse, as they pushed the couple into breaking and then kept and protected the one who wanted fame.
Watching Collin’s big sister hold his hand and protect him absolutely broke my heart.
@@SavvyMuhon admittedly it made me cry watching that scene, it was horrifying. how could a person do that to any child let alone their own?
Exactly. It surprises me how often their relationship gets the “reality tv destroyed their marriage!!!” edit and even people agreeing they would still be together had they never done the show. Naw, the woman was abusive. The reality show exacerbated their problems, but the issues were there before the cameras even came.
I think she’s an abusive narcissist
It's REALLY hard to watch Kate criticize Jon for literally everything. The words he says, the way he delivers them, THE WAY HE BREATHES. She is literally micromanaging him down to his most basic human functions.
That’s just what she did ON camera…
I feel so exhausted for him.
That’s how an abuser breaks down your “sense of self” to make you focus instead on managing their ego and keeping them happy.
And you have NO idea how he behaves off camera.
But you juat gonna buy what tlc sells you, no questions asked
@@ghostoflazlo lol what makes you think theyre buying what tlc is selling? good chance they havent watched the show and only know about it from hearsay.
also why the aggressive tone? who hurt you? 😂
Kate walked so ruby franke could run 🥴 monetizing children is disgusting whether it's on TV or UA-cam.
That journal entry about a TWO YEAR OLD is asinine. And hitting a child small enough to sit in a high chair “as hard as she could” should constitute jail time. Kate is a monster.
This is why I hate that as a society we accept spanking as a punishment. My parents spanked me too and I'm convinced parents only use physical punishment on their child to blow off steam and let out their anger. When done to a dog it's animal abuse, when done to a spouse it's domestic abuse, but done to a child it's not child abuse but suddenly discipline
@@MikeTyson-sl6wr I am glad that there are laws in place in several countries now over it. Here in Brazil, it's plainly illegal to physically abuse your children.
It terrifies me that this woman is a nurse to be honest
No but you don’t understand, she did it bEcAuSe sHe LoVeS hiM sO mUcH 😭
separating your child from his seven siblings and putting him in an institution where he was isolated and alone is just evil
And without telling his father where he is.
Well, he did attack at least two of them with knives and try to kill their dogs on multiple occasions. And he DID kill multiple of the chickens they were raising for no reason. And camera people on the crew of the show with baseball bats, at least one time of which was not edited out.
@@rosebrown6381 Are you saying for those actions he should be locked up with no contact from his family members making him feeling like he's alone in the world because that's going to help him get better ? Why wouldn't she give him to his father who has more time for him instead of trying to hide him ? Drum roll because she's evil.
@@rosebrown6381Where did you hear this? I’ve never heard this before.
@@rosebrown6381if that's true, I'm not sure "for no reason" is an absolute.
If she was as abusive as it sounded, he may have been taking that pain out on anything smaller than him to give him a sense of control that he just didn't have.
Not saying it's right; only that it may have been a product of the abuse he was experiencing.
It is so embarrassing to be yelled at across from a public place. My mom does it and it makes my anxiety skyrocket because people stare at us.
I’m so sorry that she does that to you. 😢
@@itsbeebabywhy are u sorry youre not screaming at this person
you just need to remind yourself in those situations that everyone "staring" knows the exact same feeling your feeling and sympathize with you majority of the time.
I’m sorry that happens to you
yeah it sucks so bad. i still remember telling my therapist abt my mom doing similar stuff and she just paused and then asked, "... She embarrasses you in public?" that alone is mortifying and can be traumatizing, i can't imagine how awful it is to have that public humiliation on a national scale
Collin told a teacher about his mother’s abuse? Teachers are mandated reporters of child abuse and should have been held accountable for not helping Collin by reporting it.
Even if you report as a teacher is doesn't actually mean they always check
Sadly true.
The teddy bear thing broke my heart... I don't even like being around kids but I'd NEVER do that to a child. The way his sister was taking up for him too, a kinder heart than their mother will ever have.
Right I don't like kids but I'm not going to hurt one
cold and f.... up. how could you do that to a 3 year old? talk about heartless.
Yeah that broke my heart the poor kid😢
Any parent who can throw away a Teddy bear to punish a toddler while he begs to not lose his buddy is a sociopath. I would clean my childrens teddy a million times to save him that kind of heartbreak so young. That was heartbreaking to see.
I'm pretty sure I saw a jar of peanut butter RIGHT THERE, too. It's not that hard to get gum out of things
And his sister consoling him. Heartbreaking
His sisters standing up for him broke my heart. It seemed like they'd had to do it many times before, like they were used to his mom being cruel to him 😢
I STILL have my kids favorite childhood toys. Still. I can't part with them because they're memories for them AND me. I just can't fathom what these kids have gone through and suffered.
I was raised by TWO narcissists as parents and received abuse all across the board including CSA. When I had my son, I realized I had internalized their abuse and made it my number one goal to start therapy to give my child the life I didn’t have. You ALWAYS have a choice. I cut contact with them and am living my best life with my child. I applaud Jon for taking accountability and for doing better. Some people should NEVER have children.
Damn I feel so so bad for Jon, dude looked absolutely miserable. How can she not see how awful she's being when she yells at him for literally breathing?!
As a child watching this I didn’t register it but looking back now, yeah she was verbally abusive to him. It’s hard to watch
@melatoninqueen6914 Not to mention the kids! If she was willing to say that to him on live TV, what kind of things was she saying to them? (Especially Collin)
How later she didn't get it watching the show idk
@@melatoninqueen6914borderline?
I remember even as a kid watching those couple couch interviews was horribly uncomfortable. That she can't recognize it as a full on adult is mindblowing.
Kate spoke to Jon like he was her dog. _”Come. Sit, now.”_ It’s no way to treat your partner in public and in private. Great video ❤
he was younger than kate, she acted like his mother in some ways, she wanted him to be M AN AND LEADER.
@@janecoe9407 He’s only 2 years younger than her.
You left out a very important detail. Jon did not want to have more kids right away after the twins were born, Kate did. She basically forced him into it, and it was pretty much the beginning to the end of their relationship.
kate said she talked him into it. jon wasnt ready for mire kids but he gave in to her.
The fact that John wasn’t owed information about where his child was is so disheartening.
So messed up 😢
So wrong, he’s the father so should have equal rights as the mother.
While Kate had full legal custody, John was still coparenting too, it's INSANE that he wasn't owed information about the location of a child he still had the rights to see. Colin had to SMUGGLE a note to his FATHER. Even before hearing anything thing else, this is so heartbreaking
when she wasn't even wanting him in her own care, it's disgusting
The court actually ordered Kate to tell Jon where Collin was. Kate refused, she decided that paying a court fine was acceptable way to keep Collin from his father.
I genuinely started crying when baby Collin said "Teddy Bears my buddy". That is a baby. How can anyone be so cruel to a child.
because she is a narcissist and thinks he literally sets out with the goal of pissing off his mom at 3 years old.. he just wants his mom's attention. what a terrible woman..
It made me cry too! That bear was probably his safety, as a child in their small world, that could be soul crushing. I fucking hate her!
Literally traumatizing... I hate that woman
The older sisters trying to advocate for him, literally breaking my heart
Yeah I actually couldn’t take that I had to turn it off I was trying to cleanse my pallet from some even worse shit I watched and then they hit me with that
God being in a relationship with someone like Kate seeing those clips of her saying “stop breathing so loud.” Or him just excitedly talking and her going off saying “stop rambling.” Brought back some flashbacks
Her diary explains it all; she knew she went too far with her children and instead of facing that hard truth fully and becoming the mother they need, she chose to willfully ignore the parts of her that are emotionally destroying her kids.
man that interview with her two twins and how they weren’t sure what to say… that broke my heart.
They both looked terrified.
Yeah
actuallly hard to watch ngl, you can see their body language in every frame
It was terrifying. I've seen enough to recognize that kind of freeze response, where they don't want to say the wrong thing so they say nothing and look to Kate right away. It was really scary to me.
@@Toskrrit felt to me like their giggling was laughing instead of crying. They knew they couldn’t tell the truth but they didn’t want to lie either. What else could they do? Absolutely heartbreaking
The scene where she's throwing out Collin's bear is just so cruel. You can see his siblings sticking up for and comforting him.
She just wanted to make her son cry. You can at least try to get gum off of it or patch it. And if he's not supposed to have it at all, why is a 3 year old responsible for that and not the adult in charge?
Exactly! Bt narcissistic ppl are never at fault in their own minds.
“3 yo’s can’t chew gum” well how did he get it?
I cried when I saw this
It was truly heartbreaking to see
i remember one of my friends in my young childhood had to have a toy thrown out. her parents took her to the store to pick out a new one and they basically gave the old one a funeral? we were like 5, and she recounted the memory later, kind of embarrassed about it, and my response was like "i dont think a 5 year old would have loved seeing a beloved toy go in the garbage". her parents thought it was important for her to go through those steps because kids that young anthropomorphise their toys. having to throw out a toy when your kid is saying "teddy bear's my buddy" is sad, but doing it that deliberately when the toy could absolutely be fixed is cruel.
How does this woman keep having custody after those journals were exposed of her admitting to beating her kids???
she never admitted to beating her kids ,
The kids are all adults now. But unfortunately for the ones that haven’t gotten out they know no different and are being fed lies by Kate.
@@janecoe9407did you miss the part where she said she pulled her child by the hair and was hitting him as hard as she could? Using your full adult force on a 3 year old seems like beating to me
Do you see woman's privilege in our legal system?
Those twins staying absolutely silent on live national television are absolute heroes, I cheered for them audibly when they clammed up and made Kate put her foot in her mouth.
Watching Kate's antics is genuinely one of the most insufferable viewing experiences I've had in a very, very long time.
I couldn't stop laughing, it's like both of them have lost any, and all fucks they could give.
I would have thrown a party when she said she wants a divorce. She's like the fking tinnitus in my ears but worse.
@@Fleshdeficiency What do you guys mean by 'Kate's antics', because I'm not sure? You mean the old videos of Kate, back when the show was only launched, or what?
@@olexvndrv they mean the "honey can you stop breathing so loudly, LKRJVIOLWEHGWHHHH" things.
her condescending tone would drive me mad
During that interview with the twins, she was berating the twins for not answering. Even the host tried to jump in to defend their nervousness and silence as okay because it's a tough question, being on tv is hard, etc. Strangers are nicer to Kate's kids than Kate is. Classic narcissist.
she doesn't have kids, she has products that she has to sell
I can't believe people like this exist. And feel so entitled and brazen to display this behavior to the whole nation
and the girls are constantly looking to Kate for cues on what to say. it’s So sad. and then right at the end Maddie bashes Cara for not talking in the exact same way Kate had only minutes earlier.
@@Barbieinawheelchairmy question is... how did these 2 were able to afford fertility treatments if they were both unemployed? I think this was a disaster from the beginning while exacerbated by Kate's narcissistic personality
its not like they had never been on camera or on tv...it was just an akward interview...
The family scapegoat who's been abused since he was a toddler ended up displaying emotional and behavioral issues? How shocking.
I don't understand how in all of this there is no mention of the media's responsibility for the situation. The sole premise of making a reality show centred on toddlers is sick to me, to me it would be obvious from the start that such a reality show could only result in trauma for the children. Yet, it went on for many years and to this day the focus is only on the parents and, most horrifyingly, on the children, but almost no scrutiny is applied to the producers of the show and the media in general.
Treated like fodder to make money. No child actor rights applied there I’m sure.
The producers who admitted to continuing the show because the implosion of Jon and Kate's marriage made for high viewership should be barred from producing television ever again. That's some Nightcrawler levels of psychotic to knowingly profit off the destruction of a ten person large family. TLC should have to pay all the doctor, therapy, and legal fees having any and everything to do with Collin's upbringing because they are directly responsible for everything that happened to those children. A video hasn't made me this angry in a long time.
Because we all know they're evil. It's why he jokes about "yeah, cause just a little illegal child labor is ok."
The business is so obviously evil its redundant to mention it. But the individual mother? That's a much more nuanced question that clearly a lot of people were unaware of. People saw her as a hard working and struggling mom but behind the scenes she was actively hurting her own children for attention.
Kate stealing from their college funds when she ALWAYS claimed she was doing the show “for their college funds” is reprehensible. We always knew she was in it just for herself.
And of course she took from the two children that went to go live with their dad. She is horrible
Maybe it was for their college at first, but the money corrupted her.
That’s why dad ghosted 👻 them
How so?
@@geneverjohnson4677 nah she ghosted Kate. not the kids. he fought for them .
Jon being labeled a deadbeat by the media after he left a narcissistic, abusive woman is horrible. Which seems like an even more insane claim with the fact that he tried to find out where Kate sent Collin, but what essentially told “tough luck, you have no right to know where he is” by the courts.
The fact that as a child I could tell he left because of the way she acted, but all these adults just believed what the media came up with still astounds me
Yeah and it's gross how TLC took her side and made her look like the hero every time.
That's one of the most alarming facts, like the father has no right to know where his son is? Like why? That's his child too and while Kate has primary custody, that doesn't mean she can put him in an institution without telling him. It just boggles the mind, what is going on with Family Court in the USA?
@@AshleyWilliams-xq7lj TLC didn’t “take her side.” TLC CREATED her side. Jon stood no chance against the wealth and power of TLC. Jon was trying to stop the show. TLC was never going to let that happen.
Yeah most telling Jon spent a million bucks to fight her in court, and TLC paid all her legal bills including her divorce.
I want to point out Kate's dieary entry when she said she acted and resembled her father. This is why you don't start a family and have kids if you can't break the generational trauma!
I loved Jon's response to "the mother of your children should never be criticized" he's exactly right. Nor should the father
Agree
the idea of Kate being a nurse is actually terrifying
Especially as I imagine she might be enraged at having to return to the field after media stardom.
Unfortunately, jobs that put people in contact with vulnerable people attract abusers. I’m saying this as someone who’s in one of those careers.
Not every nurse is a mean girl, but every mean girl I knew is a nurse 😅
a lot of women with this personality end up in the nursing field for some reason. its incredibly common
@@friendformationbot not smart enough to be doctors, but egotistical enough to want the feeling of being a savior. with medical staff you either meet absolute dirtbags or great people, very little inbetween.
Hearing that Kate is working as a nurse now, actually gave me chills
Imagine waking from anesthesia and seeing Kate's face 😱
its always the narcissistic bully types who seem to end up in that job, right? terrifying.
Right. That Bully to Nurse pipeline is terrifying.
@@illogicalGhost You think that most nurses are "narcissistic bullies"?That is so far from the truth and a ridiculous statement to make. The majority of nurses are dedicated hard working professionals. I have been a nurse for 30 years, many of my family members and friends are nurses also. It's unfair to paint the nursing profession in such a negative light.
@@kittensanddaisies5615 i dont mean from my own medical experience, i mean from the amount of my school bullies going into the field. luckily i haven't run into a rude nurse in my experience. but i know people who have. certainly not every nurse fits this stereotype. i didn't mean to imply that.
As a victim of abusive parenting who had my parents divorce whilst I stayed with the abuser, often times you will be manipulated to be with the abuser
Honestly, I was never on Kate’s side. I always rooted for Jon and he had every right to despise Kate. She is emotionally abusive and manipulative. She has no right to be called a mother
Kate talks about shipping Colin away to a hidden location and smiles about it. She's talking like she's bragging about hiding a Christmas present. Sick.
I actually know someone who dated him recently, he definitely went through some disgusting stuff they all definitely did but he is doing well at least as of a few months ago!!
@@Kira-ev7chThat's really good to hear!! I'm glad he has a support system, and is healing after everything that's happened.
Kids are possessions to her . She can’t see them any other way .
@@Kira-ev7chThat is great to hear.
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Her being a former nurse does NOT surprise me 😭 the mean girl energy is real
Damn nurses must suck in USA
@@Danoviomost do
@@Danovioso weird, I've had great nurses the few times I've been in under their care
@@Blackatchaproduction its just so weird to me because "mean girl energy" is not really something i feel like we attribute to nurses here in sweden, every nurse i ever meet has been so super friendly, careing and nice.
@@Danovio Actually the majority of nurses do good for their communities but there's obviously an exception to the rule unfortunately.
Oh man that teddy bear clip had me sobbing. Horrific. That little girl has more empathy than their MOTHER.
"teddy bears my buddy" my god that broke my heart to pieces
Kate isn’t a Karen; she’s an abusive parent. I grew up hearing “but it’s your mother” (there’s a reason mandatory reporting had to become law). Thank you all for examining mothers like this.
Ya she's unbearable... And if she gets one more facelift shes gonna be farting out her nose.... Lol
She may not 100% a Karen, but there's vibes that way. One of the haircuts is close to the stereotypical Karen cut.
Ugh, I hate the "But it's your mother" thing. No one owes respect or anything else to an abuser, and distancing oneself from family, even an abusive one, is a very tough step to take. Shaming the victim for their decision to turn away from abuse is just adding cruelty to an already hard situation.
Family doesn't always end in blood
She was the original Karen
PTSD, in children especially, can manifest a lot like Autism symptoms so Colin having 'meltdowns' is pretty textbook especially for a kid who's been through that level of abuse
Wow thanks for that info! I’ve been suspecting I’m on the spectrum somewhere but I’ve always chalked it up to my ADHD. Now I know it also could be from my upbringing
@@funnycreep You're welcome 👍 Some of my siblings & I grew up on the spectrum with the usually add ons (social anxiety, ADD, Dyslexia etc) but very often kids from abusive or neglectful homes would end up at our support group only to "outgrow" the symptoms once they got professional help. Some of the studies are fascinating
@@Misshowzat This is really interesting to learn. Do you remember any of the study names? I would love to read a few
I wonder if he's on the spectrum? I was diagnosed as being on the spectrum in 08 myself.
Sad that she sent him to a facility instead of allowing him to live with his dad. Kate is truely a manipulative snake.
I can’t imagine the trauma incurred by just a sextuplet being removed from their siblings, let alone being placed alone in an institution.
Imagine being surprised that a willful toddler that you constantly meet with anger and violence then uses anger and violence to communicate *their* frustration? She’s an adult and expected better regulation from a baby than she had herself.
"You are 3, you should know every rule I have"
Kate really is the alpha Karen. Yelling at her husband and kids from across a store, belittling her husband for not being perfect, and turning her kids against their father and siblings.
Ya she's unbearable... And if she gets one more facelift shes gonna be farting out her nose.... Lol
One of the original Karen memes was “Karen took the kids” sometimes with the addition with “and wants me to pay more child support without visitation” And the moment Karen was given an avatar she was give a picture of Kate Gosselin. Truly the Alpha Karen.
She’s the original Karen
When I was a kid my mom and grandma watched this show. One moment I’ll never forget is when John was scratching his leg while they were on the couch together being interviewed and Kate just says “John stop scratching.” What?! He cant even scratch when he’s itchy? It’s crazy how much control she is.
To much restlessness for a white dude to want to entertain
No matter how Collin acts now Kate messed him up she abused him. He was surrounded by hate towards him no wonder he may have acted out
Him crying about the teddy bear she was throwing away made my heart drop. Especially when he said “Teddy bears my buddy”. Like holy shit woman what is wrong with you
@@distraughtdm8306 when he was talking abt how the bears “play together every morning” it just broke my heart. Kids need those kinds of rituals they can depend on, and ripping away a comforting game they play every morning because you don’t want to get gum out of a stuffed animals fur is just _heartless_ .
those m&ms werent helping either
@@averyspecificdragon8780 it’s one thing if a family dog eats a stuffed animal and you have to throw it away. That’s like a super common thing. But if your 4 year old kid gets it messy you don’t just say to him “well you shouldn’t have done that” and throw it away while he’s crying and saying that’s his friend then you frankly don’t deserve to have kids
Like i get it if the bear was discontinued or cant be bought again, but if that was even remotely the case BUY THAT BOY A NEW ONE OR 3?! 3 different new bear buddies. Or just fucking clean it or replace it. I feel like here weirdly insane hatred for Jon started pouring out into unfortunately Collin the most. Not just because he REALLY does look like young Jon, but....she sees the ability to lash out on him on things she doesn't want to step over the line (her line not the actual line shes FARRRR SURPASSED) and uses Collin as that cannon fodder. So sad and insane.
The fact that Jon was willing to spend all his money to fight for Collin and Hannah and Kate was willing to take money away from them for her personal gain tells me all I need to know about who’s the mature one who took accountability.
When my childhood stuffed animal bunny ripped some stitching, my mom sewed it back up for me. She even drove back to a grocery store to find it when she realized I had dropped it/lost it there! I cannot even fathom what it would feel like if she had just said “oh well” and thrown it away or left it at the store! Poor Collin, what a horrid mother Kate is!
Does anyone else wonder if part of Collin's poor treatment by Kate was because Collin looks so much like Jon?
Was my first thought. Reminded her the most of him.
He seems similar in temperament too. Quiet, maybe not the best with words, his feelings are displayed through his actions and body language. So fucking sad, and upsetting that even now jaubrey presents it the way people see it-- "a crumbling marriage caught on camera". There is absolutely nothing that man did to deserve that. Even if he had cheated! Even if he ran off and took zero responsibility! What a vile woman.
That literally crossed my mind as I was watching this. I was literally thinking about his resemblance to Jon compared to the other kids..
My mom admitted to me that she tends to stay away from me when I’m angry because I start to look and act like my sperm donor who abused her. I feel it could be the same case here ..
@eiosti i thought this same thing! Looks AND temperment. Him being one of the only kids to decide he didnt want to be on camera and avoiding it. Strong sense of self like his dad.
That was my thought too
Kids and fame do not mix. Period. We as a society need to stop allowing minors to be used for fame and fortune. Child stars, child actors, child singers, child UA-camrs, child reality stars…all of that nonsense has got to go.
Let kids be kids. Childhood is such a short time period yet makes the biggest impact on our lives.
But, what do we do ? People are allowed to have kids whenever they want, whether they actually want them or not. Child abuse in the home can barely be monitored, let alone in every home with children, and even when CPS get involved, they usually don't do anything, letting a large amount of abused children die. We can all speak out against this, but until CPS, the entertainment industry, and labor laws change, nothing else will.
@@Zeroshikiand with some states *reversing* child labor laws, it's becoming more difficult to protect children.
the exploitation of kids will never end. we can just only push for more protective laws and restrictions and making sure they are safe.
I am perfectly fine with kids being portrayed by random adults. Idc how weird it is. I'd rather have adults pretending to be a toddler or whatever than kids being subjected to fame. A tv show is not worth the damage it causes to numerous child stars.
Yes, he went off the deep end. However, rewind Kate yelling at and belittling him and think of living with her 24/7.
I had a friend from high school who had a wife like Kate....he used to tell me all the time that he envied my relationship with my wife....he asked how I did it....I told him....."It works because we love and respect each other." It's that simple.
"Can you stop breathing so loudly" is she joking 😂😂😂
Poor, poor, poor Collin. Stripped of a childhood first by reality TV and then stripped of childhood AND parents by institutionalization. I'm glad Jon actually cares about the well-being of his kids
What's sad is he didn't get custody. I think the only reason Kate wanted them was because they were her cash cow.
@@janejones7638 so she would become cow with cash...
"Stripped of a childhood first by reality TV"
No.
He was stripped of a childhood first by his parents, who knowingly and willingly chose to involve him in reality TV. Let's put the blame where it belongs. As for Jon caring about his kids' wellbeing, that's debatable since he also had to sign off on all of this. The company making the show didn't just swoop in and do this to Collin against his parents' will. They failed in their responsibility as parents.
This is like blaming McDonald's for making a kid morbidly obese instead of their parents for feeding it to them.
@@AngryReptileKeeper Kate was very controlling and verbally/emotionally abusive with Jon. I still blame him somewhat because this was the time to stand up to her. Eventually he realized it, but it was too late.
"the mother of your children should never be criticized" is so insane to hear out loud. Mothers can be held accountable for bad behavior.
Anything involving Andrew Coumo is aging like milk
Common Cuomo Siblings L
True Fredo
Exactly. Moms can be just as bad as dads.
100%
The passage where the mom describes her son as doing things "just to irritate [her]" is so horrifying. Children that young do not have a sense of anyone aside from themselves, or consequences for their actions. A child that small is incapable of acting maliciously. The fact that she feels personally attacked and that a BABY deserves retribution for it is awful awful awful, and proves she only thinks in terms of her own comfort. Everything about how she treated her family members had my skin crawling.
This reminds me of my late grandmother. She always thought we were out to get her when we were little. No love lost there.
Professional ballroom dancer Tony Dovolani makes a point of never speaking ill of his dance partners. Until he had to work with Kate Gosselin.
My jaw dropped to the floor when Chris Cuomo told Jon he was not to criticize the mother of his children.. Kate belittled and mocked Jon, and was unnessesarily cruel to Collin all in front of the cameras- also telling was how the girls didn't dare answering questions, possibly scared of being berated afterwards, by their mom.
good thing he got fired. what a hack
I'm so glad he responded to him the way he did "either should the father"
Big to have that coming from a sexual predator. Takes a manipulator and abuser to defend one.
@@emilyg7088 that was his brother fyi
He was white knighting. She is a psycho.
Who the hell stops talking to their family once they become famous.
Collin crying while saying “my teddy bears my buddy” broke my heart as a preschool teacher, and soon to be first time mom. How could you ever treat a sweet little boy with such little compassion?? He didn’t realize the gum would get stuck, and instead of loving him, and teaching him why we can’t put gum on things, she chose to belittle him and throw away his best friend. Insane.
My son is 18 months old, and seeing him in any distress breaks my heart. I couldn’t imagine being that malicious to my child, shame on her!
It's genuinely frightening. I cried watching that segment and just wanted to step in and snatch the bear from her and protect those little babies. The sisters trying desperately to save the bear for their brother absolutely broke my heart. Children should never have to beg for kindness. Insane, as you said.
yea my mom was like that and now im diagnosed with avoidant personality disorder... thanks mom :/
His sisters trying to stick up for him and reason with her too... I can't imagine seeing 3 of my kids upset like that and not caring at all
Not trying to defend her at all, but in that episode they showed her spending a long time removing the gum from the bear and she says she didn't have the heart to throw it out because he "howled" (her words)
I'm so glad I never watched any of these shows (19 kids, Honey BooBoo, Jon&Kate, etc). I found them uncomfortable as a teen (and boring); as I got older relized they were exploitive and voyeuristic.
Not surprised it turned out most of these adults are terrible monsters.
The people that were filming and enabling these abuses (produces, directors, etc.) should also be held accountable.
Kate’s head shaking no while she says “yes absolutely” at 53:45 while responding to “so the claims are all unfounded?” Is very telling
Watching this made me upset but the teddy bear scene absolutely broke me. Hes a BABY. You threw out a BABYS teddy bear while he sobbed. What an absolute monster of a person.
I genuinely started crying. Hearing that baby so sad hurt so bad.
The sight of the twins trying to comfort him and plead on his behalf broke my heart.
@@christinegovas-robert4378 seriously thats what killed me, several siblings rushing to parent and beg this unreasonable jerk that controls their lives. Their mother wasn't their comfort, and those poor twins were instantly slotted to be mini-parents....
Its so heartbreaking for each little one there, and you can see them hurting /panicked /pleading along with him... My god he's so little he barely has the words to beg! 😭🤬
"We don't chew gum when we're 3" is such an odd sentence. Like, 3 year olds will probably chew anything they can get their hands on, and gum is for chewing. Why would there even be gum in the house?
When he said that the bear was his buddy I was done. He’s a tiny TINY baby, that bear wasn’t just important he saw it as equal to a living breathing person that was his friend. How tf is a parent going to THROW AWAY something that means that much to their kid
honestly Kate being a nurse tracks with the kind of people who become nurses
Nurse TikTok is full of mean girls
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100%
Its a petty power position with little accountability. Very attractive to narcissist and abusers who only want to look good and not do good
@@liriodendronlasianthus I don't do that tiktok crap myself. I keft facebook behind when it essentially became "fakefok the tiktokwannabe".
“Teddy Bear’s my buddy” broke my fucking heart. I would never in a million years treat a child this way, and that was mild in comparison to the rest of the shit she did to him. truly disgusting, vile behavior.
The mother of your child is not supposed to be criticized?! That's a big load of BS.
The fact that John spent all his money trying to get the kids off of tv shows that he had a change of heart.
It seems he’s always had his kids best interests in mind, he just didn’t understand the impact reality TV would have on their lives. In the interview it sounded like he took the original offer because he wanted to be able to provide for his kids, which they were struggling to do beforehand.
And it makes complete sense that he wouldn't have been able to realize how bad it all was until after he left.
Shows that he has a heart and mind of his own.
Dr. Phil being more worried about their brand instead of their marriage and psychological well being is, in itself, very on brand.
He's not even licensed to be a counselor/therapist, but his show always made it seem like he had a full psychology degree & was licensed. I don't even like those kind of shows or pay attention to celebrity news except when seeing magazine & tabloid headlines in the grocery checkout. Still I managed to hear about several episodes where he handled kids & adults on his show so badly that if he had been licensed then the board would've had his revoked.
He is one of the most disgusting and creepy people I’ve ever seen on tv
It is likely that more was said but not relevant to the story as is often the case. Each person shared what was important to them. Dr. Phil has a doctorate in clinical psychology but stopped licensing renewal in 2006 as it would be a conflict of interest legally with his show. He likely realized that Kate wanted his name association and did not go to deep into anything for a reason and that is understandable on his part. He is smart enough to stay out of it legally. It would be interesting to get his opinion now, Kate is no longer in a position to sue him.
@@tamarasmith9060 He has a doctorate in clinical psychology and stopped licensing when the conflict of interest started to become an issue, voluntarily. This is not a hidden issue (Wikipedia for a start) he does not misrepresent that as if he does, he is liable for practicing without a license. His show is more like a mediator who then refers people to clinical support. He is able to say 'Dr. Phil' as in he holds a doctoral degree which is what many professionals do and once it is the name of a show that is a different issue.
I've never heard of this family as I'm from the UK but the part where the mum takes Collin's Teddy bear away and says she's going to throw it in the trash is absent heartbreaking. It says a lot about her as a mother. 😢
Oh, I know exactly what the twins were feeling. I recognize that nervous silence from anywhere, I've been there before. They really wanted to be truthful in that moment but were afraid of the repercussions.
But how is it that this instance didn't pit up red flags for everyone that would watch this?! I am just seeing this clip and can tell that both these girls are terrified. You can see that the show host sees it too and tries to diffuse the situation. Why wasn't this called out?!?!
I thought so too. I had a thought when she said "words" that after the show, they are in for it.
The saddest thing is that Colin had no contact with his dad or any of his siblings. I wouldn’t wanna see Kate on tv after what she did to Colin. If kate didn’t want to raise Colin anymore, then why didn’t she give Jon custody?! The reason was control. She can’t control him anymore. Plus I don’t even think she has said anything to Colin, since he got out. I wish Colin the best.
Say Colin again
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@@robjj5373Colan
Damn it I messed it up
It’s crazy to me that people think Jon was also at fault for their bad marriage, it was so obvious that Kate is verbally abusive
People don’t blame him for the marriage, they blame him for not being a functioning adult himself and having 8 kids anyway
They are both equally terrible people. John is a pitiful man child and NEVER should have reproduced. Kate is a STRONG personality who would eat any unknowing man up.
@@smalltiny I'd be really interested to know if they both were totally okay having that many kids. I think it was insanely irresponsible of both of them to have more kids when they couldn't afford trhe two awesome kids they had!
But its hard to be fully functional when you're constantly being snipped and capped at the knee. Told everything you do (even breathing ffs) is annoying & wrong. I think an overbearing personality lacking empathy totally took lead of his life and he was, for whatever reason, not fighting it. A softer "weaker" person getting bossed around by a controlling asshole.
@@smalltinyKate basically pushed him into it he didn’t even want more kids after the twins and boom he’s stuck with six infants and 2 toddlers with a camera crew filming his basically every criticism from his wife
@@brigade7678 not saying jon is as bad as kate, at all! however, he does have fault and kate being absolutely horrible does not excuse, imo, what jon lacked, especially considering how horrible kate was, he was needed a lot more! i do think he tried, it just wasn't enough at all... which sucks for the kids. also, i completely agree, they never should have had 8, they risked A LOT when they decided to keep the 6 fetuses and they put them in risk after birth too with having no jobs and no prospects in life.. anyway, that's why i think job gets flack even though yes, he is the better of the two but i mean, put anyone next to kate...
That poor boy was a scapegoat for a narcissist mother
What a monster. The institution part truly rips my heart out. This whole situation is awful. I feel so bad for kids of influencers of any kind
The way Kate talks, it’s so obvious she was a nurse.
Right? Imagine being in the hospital and seeing shes your nurse? I'd leave
@@taylorciot23 I’ve had more than a few nurses who she reminds me of. You have to grit your teeth and hope you also have a nice one to balance them out. She’s the kind who tells you to calm down and that you’re being dramatic as your appendix is minutes away from exploding.
Could you imagine having her a nurse?
@@MojiBeau I feel like a bunch of nurses were mean girls in highschool then they wanted a career where they have power over people and also get social status/admiration. it's like the female version of becoming a cop
it's giving mean girl to nurse pipeline 🤌
The amount of contempt this woman had towards her toddler is insanely psychotic
She's clearly a self centered narco.
Rivaled only by daddy o five
I’m sure it’s petty but I hope someone dropkicks her the way she beat up her children.. times ten.
And her ex husband
Jon seems like a chill guy I could have a beer with.
Kate reminds me of my father.
Yeah
It made me sad when Jon was talking about how he feels and what his struggles are. But it made me angry when Kate jumped in on his behalf saying/assuming what he struggles with. 16:40
Also, I felt embarrassed for Jon whenever Kate yelled at him from across the store. It’s like she enjoys belittling him
"We don't chew gum when we're three!" Why was he allowed to have it then? "Your bear can't go through the dryer again!" So AIR DRY IT. She is a horrible mother and you've always been able to see it if you actually know how to work with children.
She must be a horrible mother, considering that she got annoyed by Jon breathing, when she wrote about her son " he was awful to me, he does things just to iritate me" my question is what, did he look at her wrong? not pick up something? had a child tantrum? like what?!
She didn't even make an attempt to get it out.
Colin was the child who looked the most like Jon. I wonder if that played a part in Kate's treatment of him.
I bet it did. My dad hated that I was so much like my mom
Absolutely it did. My mother grew up in my grandmother's shadow, always hearing from everyone how gorgeous her mother was. Guys she went to school with used to ask her to introduce them to her mother. The first time I was compared to my grandmother was when I was two days old, still in the hospital. The comparisons never stopped, and I do look very much like her, although I'm more the blue jeans and minimal makeup type, as opposed to my grandma's high heels and signature red lipstick, so it's not as obvious as it would be otherwise. My mother has never forgiven me for this, and she made sure I suffered for it as a child.
10000%. My mom still to this day treats me like shit and calls me “sperm” because I look like my dad as in I only have the same eye color as my dad but because of that, it doesn’t matter to her. It’s absolutely absurd to me to have parents treat their children like shit just because they decided to have kids with their spouse. The children (me) did nothing wrong and didn’t ask to be born in such a shit household.
I told myself if I ever have kids, I would never treat my children how my parents treated me, but in all honesty I don’t want children because of them. I’m too afraid they’ll be just as fucked up mentally, physically, emotionally as I am.
@@dancexcrazier19I just want you to know that your introspection and empathy are impressive. There's no such thing as a perfect parent, but know that if you choose to have kids, you already have the core skills to connect with and understand them. I say this as someone who doesn't want kids so I'm not saying one choice is right.
@@cre-kate-ive thank you so much for this wonderful and thoughtful message! I really appreciate that! Oh and in no way I will ever force anyone to have kids, as it is all opinion so I understand where you’re coming from. I just really thank you for someone that understands my situation and isn’t a total bxtch about it!
I hope you have a fantastic day/night as you deserve it, you wonderful human! 🤍
I wonder how Kate treated him when the cameras weren’t there. That’s the scary thing, she probably toned down how she really was behind closed doors
Poor jon being kept away from the kids so they could film a show with a clearly toxic woman. Poor collin and that jon wasnt allowed to know where his child was!!!.
The crazy thing I learned a few months ago was Colin got in a car crash because he was so tired while driving, he was in high school working 40hrs a week, this is ridiculous thinking about how much money he helped rake in for tlc and his parents, especially since he was the focus of SO MANY plot points. So fucked up
It is messed up. Colin and John are struggling and working themselves to the bone just to make ends meet. Meanwhile Kate pockets all the TLC cash. Its so unfair
Jon isn't in IT anymore?
@@ebonylo. you got to remember that Jon paid for all of the lawyers and court cases himself. Those fees are no joke.
Jon lost all his money fighting for custody. 🥺
Not to mention Kate literally stealing 100K from his trust fund
I just can’t handle how many times she admitted to hitting her children. Two and three year old children being hit by a grown woman “as hard as she can” and thrown against their bedding. If your child doesn’t understand a verbal punishment, they will not understand WHY they are being physically hurt.
How can you expect kids to be well adjusted when they were going through that in their toddler years and then constantly in the public eye in their most formative developmental stages?
Kids that young are all ego. Everything that happens to them, happens BECAUSE of them. That's what makes the abuse so awful. If Mommy hurts me, it's not because she is abusive, it's because I deserved it. It's because I am bad. So damaging, and so sad. This is the kind of stuff that causes CPTSD.
@@CaraDoesThings exactly. Even the verbal taunting - when the clip was played where she throws out his teddy bear and she repeats it over and over like she wants him to feel bad, even when his sisters try to come to his defense - just seems so cruel. Of course, sometimes kids ruin toys and they can’t be cleaned. But most parents would discreetly get rid of it and maybe replace it if it’s very sentimental. She wanted him to feel bad, she knew he was attached to the stuffed animal and wanted him to know it was getting destroyed because somehow a toddler got chewing gum on it.
(Also… where did he get chewing gum… she acts like it’s his fault for having it but clearly he isn’t allowed so someone must’ve given it to him, where’d he get it?! She should be more upset that it’s a massive choking hazard and someone gave it to her kid)
@@CaraDoesThings This is so true. My parents were abusive, and I would often face severe punishments for doing normal kid things. The furthest back I can remember it happening was as young as 2 or 3. I don’t remember a single time I was beaten and even deserved to be in trouble in the first place. But I always thought I was just a really bad kid and couldn’t do anything right. I didn’t understand it was abuse until I became an adult. It truly changes the way your brain is wired, being abused like that
Exactly! Really makes me sick to my stomach. I will never understand adults putting their hands on children. That ish should be illegal everywhere.
Makes my blood boil when anyone talks about hitting their children and even make jokes about it. It makes me sick to my stomach and even more so as a mom to a 4 year old boy. How can you hit your child? I will never ever lay a hand on my child. It breaks my heart what pain those babies went through.
It's really sad how everyone treated Jon when he wanted to get away from Kate and the media. The clips here alone are telling. She interrupts him almost every time he speaks or immediately corrects anything he says that she doesn't approve of. Now she has poisoned the majority of their kids into believing he is the bad guy, so they won't speak to him.
Kate was so abusive and people still were like ‘you can’t criticize her’ that’s so fucking insane
I’m surprised everyone thought the twins just didn’t know what to say, I read that more as they didn’t want to say what they were COACHED to say by Kate. Do y’all not see how crazy that woman is???
You cute (dont make it weird)
@@axolotl1777If the shoe fits…
Yup. The way the girls looked at eachother.. I was like; that's a sibling-pact. They were being deliberately vague. They were not going to say what they were told to say. They decided to say absolutely nothing. I loved how Kate couldn't help but say:" they were very talkative this morning .."😂
I swear when one of the twins started talking more, felt like it was coached beforehand
Yeah that’s the vibe I got too, like she wanted them to say something they didn’t want to say
I can't believe how normalized it was (and kinda still is) for women to be abusive. No questions asked if it were a man being abusive, but a woman??? My mom was abusive to me up until her death and the amount of invalidation I've dealt with is insane. Yeah, she was my mom, but I WAS HER KID. Why isn't that more important?
Im sorry that happened to you
i had the same type of parents. ny dad was very abusive, my mom stood there and let it happen, and denies it happened. i've always been invalidated and blamed by my family, they're all brainwashed/controlled by my dad. i understand completely.
I feel you. Complete strangers will insist that I should undo the best decision of my life because "she's your mom"
First of all, she literally isn't even the person that raised me that was actually her mother doing that. Second of all, that's exactly why her behavior is completely unacceptable. I'm nearing 14 years no contact and I haven't regretted once.
I have a mom like that. I love her because she's my mom, and I've had years of therapy to help undo the damage she's done. I couldn't count the number of times I've imagined feeling relief when she dies, but the reality is, I will never have had a mother who loved me unconditionally and who made me feel safe and valued. Her death won't change the heartbreak for me. I know why she is the way she is, but it doesn't excuse the behavior. She's had years of opportunity to have healing for herself so that she could be a better person. That's on her. I feel awful for kids like us who had to endure mothers like ours. The deep pain never really goes away, but you can heal enough to do better for your own kids and you can learn more about why mothers like ours are the way they are. I have learned to have compassion for my mom and her deep rooted issues, but I will never understand why she didn't choose to overcome it for her own children. That's the part that hurts the most, just knowing they didn't want to deal with their own trauma in an effort to have better relationships with their own children going forward. They're just stuck in a world where they will always be a victim and everyone else is the reason they act the way they do. To all of you who have moms like this, I see you, and I'm so very sorry for the hurt you've endured. However, you ARE valued, and you ARE enough, and you ARE loved. You are not the cause of your mother's issues. Her issues were there long before she had you. You have the power to overcome and thrive. I believe in you.
my mom was abusive to me and my father so I understand. I'm sorry you went through that
I feel so complicit in tearing jon down. I thought he was the one who was slack, and that Kate was having to pick up the pieces on her own. I fell for TLC's lies. I hope Jon is healthy and happy now. He deserves to be and Kate ... Her children will judge her.
Team Colin! He. Speaks truth! He lived it! Team Jon we all saw her abuse him everywhere! Abuse can be verbal and demeaning a person.
"The mother of your child is not supposed to be criticized" ok? there are no bad mothers? is that what you mean? I'm sure the general public would disagree. being a mother does NOT make you immune to criticism.
I think it was more "shouldn't be criticized PUBLICLY" since the children might see it and it's classier for divorced parents to put up a united front. But it was phrased badly.
Did he say that?
I read it more as a warning that whatever he said publicly could be used in court as evidence against him -- kind of like a heads up. Custody battles are often more favourable for the mother (as they should be in a lot of cases!), so saying anything against her could make him appear argumentative and the cause of conflict between them
@@MarcLL
She reamed him on camera and in front of their kids.
They both needed to be pulled aside and told to get their sh*t together for their kids
Ya she's a monster inside and out. One more facelift and she's gonna be farting out her nose...
Being the child of a narcissistic parent is absolute torture. Once you don't serve a purpose for them anymore, they truly do not have an issue with removing you from their life.
and everything you do is a reminder of their greatness. your actions are a direct extension to how they will treat you.
U grow up n make something of urslef they take credit for what u are claiming u would’nt be where u are w/o them (talking from experience) their abuse was the reason why ur successful cuz u were a bad child n u needed help 💔@@AH-ph3cb
Frightening 😢
@@AH-ph3cband they always take responsibility for your accomplishments; even if their scapegoat becomes a success, they quickly claim their constant dehumanization of you as a child as ‘good, firm parenting that set you up for success’
It sounds like Jon was Kate’s scapegoat, and with him gone she used Colin to fill in the role.
"The mother of your child should not be criticized" is he smoking crack? If you're a bad person or parent you are not free and clear from any level of criticism