The Depraved World of the Duggars | A Biblical Scandal
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Join me as we delve down the rabbit hole of one of reality TV's most disgraced families, and explore the story that allowed Josh Duggar to evade the law for as long as he did.
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intro - 00:00
our wonderful sponsor - 3:09
meet the duggars - 4:38
belief system - 8:29
raising a tv family - 10:00
a "wholesome" brand - 14:38
the first josh incident - 18:59
institute in basic life principles - 21:47
the leak - 25:18
the fallout - 29:56
more secrets - 39:24
the trial of josh duggar - 44:59
conclusion - 51:51
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@UCeeOtOGvtgFnwGg0KYo61NQ yo is that actually saturn? like the gas planet??
saturn in da house
@@saturn9952 I'm a huge fan
'm sorry Bro but there was ZERO hateful language in that robocall. There is a case in court right now of a school covering up a rape where a boy wore a skirt and walked into the women's restroom and raped a 14 year old girl. The school covered it up and the boy was transferred to another school where he again went into the girls bathroom and raped a 13 year old . The school was afraid of trans-activist and at least one girls rape was completly preventable if not for this woke ass culture shift you people are pushing. The boy wasn't even presenting as a woman or anything he JUST PUT ON A SKIRT WALKED IN AND RAPED TWO GIRLS. NOW you've claimed there was hateful language in that call. You are going out of your way to bow down to these people by claiming that her very reasonable opinion was hateful speech aka hate speech. Cmon dude. I know your a lefty but you actually lied here and have hurt your credibility. Though most of slobbering masses wont catch this i and others certainly have. You're no longer to be trusted on the information you present. Which is sad because i always considered you a good journalist
SRA family .
12 years isn't a long enough sentence for his actions. Images of infant torture?! He should NEVER be let out.
So interesting. he loses his parents attention to infant after infant. surprise! now he is in to infant torture.
Indeed its absolutely disgusting 20 year minimum and counseling at LEAST
Here’s hoping he gets to know how the victims felt while he does his time
I don't think the sentence is based on the content of the illegal media, just that he was in possession of it, and since he did not create said media, he's only charged with possession of illegal media, not possession grossly offensive, heinous media.
12 years is nothing compared to an eternity in hell
I was sexually assaulted as a child. I unconsciously repressed the memory of that event until I was old enough to understand what had happened to me. For Jimbob to say that his daughters "won't even remember" makes me so angry, because they WILL even if they don't want to. Furthermore, they'll realize that their parents failed to do their job and protect them from an abuser. This whole family is so fucked up.
even before they fully realize what was done to them, they’re going to be confused & scared when they encounter triggers & have no idea why they make them feel scared. absolutely deplorable. sexual abuse is never excusable
I’m so sorry. You don’t deserve to be screamed at that.
I used to smoke meth, I used to be a lush’s
I only remember some of my sexual abuse but it didn't stop it from having an effect on me. I dealt with being hyper sexual at a young age and thinking I was just weird or dirty instead of knowing that it was a trauma response. Jim Bob is just as evil as Josh even if he didn't touch little kids he justified it and allowed his kids and grandkids to be in an unsafe situation.
Didn't ask
@@RandomFandom112okay bot
If someone wants to be a monster, religion sure seems to be one of the best tools to get away with it.
Some monsters use religion as a tool to do wickedness unto others, and call it righteousness.
That’s the truth
Man made religion that puts men over wombman is CORRUPT ON ALL LEVELS!
Religion in my book means = Re-alignment with Nature.
Male & Female on Equal standing fields with Strengths that compliment eachother
It's no coincidence that CSA is rampant in organized religion. That's the whole reason they organized, to make us slaves to their debauchery.
The IBLP cult is called FAKE Christianity! Using religion as an excuse to justify bad behavior is MUCH worse in cults!
Her anti trans voicemail she left on everyone’s phones is so disgusting when you consider her son literally molested her OWN children.
Right, they were taught to fear a trans person, when in fact it was their own brother who was unsafe
they are always always projecting when they are fervently calling lgbtq people those things. remember that.
It's disgusting on it's own. It's even more disgusting that we know what they and Josh has done.
Yet another example of right wing projection; just look at the entire Sound of Freedom debacle, the groomer panic shit, Qanon, Russell Brand, etc. The loudest voices crying "groomer" at trans people have been implicated in the worst crimes imaginable.
12 years? That’s all he got? This is a disgrace
The infants weren't assigned to "an older child" they were assigned to older SISTERS. The boys were encouraged to leave home to learn about the world, while the girls kept working as substitute mothers because their own mom won't stop her ego trip.
They had their childhoods stolen.
I doubt their mother was at fault. She was only there as a birthing canal. Jimbob was totally the one in charge of that.
THIS! I was coming here to say this. Plus the fact that these girls were forced to parent their siblings meant that they had even less time, energy, and brainpower to process their own trauma.
You are right about the sisters raising their younger siblings, but incorrect about the boys being encouraged to leave home. None of the Duggar boys were allowed to have regular jobs, join the military, or move out on their own until marriage. All but one or two are still reliant on JB for their livelihoods. Joseph was allowed to attend Crown College, a fundy college for one or two years, but no one else was allowed any real secondary education. JB stated on their series that he bought his 40 acres so that his kids could all build houses on his property and virtually never leave home. It didn't work out that way, but there are still some boys in the pipeline, so we'll see about them. What JB did not count on was one of the flaws in his plan. That by doctrine his daughters were "given" to their husbands who became the daughter's authority instead of JB, which means that the daughter now has to obey her husband. That's the only reason why Jill, Jinger, Joy and to some degree Jessa get to live a life free of JB's domination.
@@tomboyishtrainwreck both parents were equally at fault.
“My son is not technically a pedophile,” he says with a completely straight face.
Ikr disgusting 🤢🤮🤮
Don't you see that these people are also desperate . You have a seemingly perfect family and then out of nowhere you get involved in some controversy that can ruin your reputation and your image . People often forget that no one can be perfect and it is obvious that these people were egoistic and cared only about themselves and not their children . Can we stop pretending that the problem comes from the "individual" and start holding the groups that created such people accountable ?
@@jake9976 no. Pedophilia is never okay
@@jake9976 why do you want to excuse this pedo so bad?
@@jake9976 "nobody's perfect" does not apply to child exploitation lmfao, that's not a "little oopsie" you can be forgiven for
Forcing your kids into raising your other kids is awful. You chose to have them, it’s not any of your kids responsibility, just cause “they’re older.”
Not everyone chooses to have kids. Some happen by accident
@@matttzzz2that happens by having unprotected sex. They’re non-hormonal contraceptives such as condoms which they could’ve used. No one forced them to keep having so many kids.
@@matttzzz2 it is painfully obvious this family chose to have as many children as they could. It was a goal of theirs. We aren't talking about most people in this case. We are talking about two people who used their children and then blamed it on religion.
Nearly all families with more than 1 kid will get at least somehelp from the older children but it's often not something they're forced to do. Our oldest daughter definitely helped us with her younger sister, who was 8 years younger, in big part bc she wanted to and enjoyed how close their bond grew the more she did with/for her sister. The youngest is now 10 and they are so much closer than I ever was to my siblings but we didn't force or demand any of it and our oldest has confidence about raising her own children in the future that she couldn't have gotten any other way. And, no, we are not church going people.
@@bradblumhof6917 11:45 - you should watch this section. this wasn't the same case as yours, unfortunately. it wasn't just "some help" :( they didn't have a choice. these girls literally became parents. good for your daughters, but this is different.
Dugger Mom: I want to stop child molestation!
Interviewer: But not when it's your son doing it.
Dugger Dad: Well, technically a pedophile is defined as...
The absolute mental gymanstics.
The IBLP cult is called FAKE Christianity! It's patriarchal, and that's why girls and women are treated so badly! Jim Bob and Michelle love "Golden Boy" TOO MUCH, and that's why they defended him! It's absolutely disgusting!
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What the meaning of "is" is....
Neither Jim Bob nor Michelle could deal with reality! Jim Bob wanted child molesters to be executed, but NOT in the case of "Golden Boy!" Thankfully, he's now in prison where he belongs!
As an adult thats 18 years or more i think and does bad things to kids@@NiniM8154
If someone says they have the "perfect Christian family", something is not right.
Anyone claiming to be perfect, religious or otherwise, is anything but.
If a woman has given birth 19 times, her vag ain't right.
@@daelen.cclark Ehh, some really are just wholesome and happy with their lifes. The issue is the religious part.
Because religion, inheritly, by it's very nature, forces illogical rules upon someone to make them obey without questioning, otherwise they would face wildly unfitting punishment.
So they can be easily controlled and exploited. To give money to people who do nothing but talk to some cloud guy all day. Seriously that shouldn't be a job that makes you money, it should be a hobby at most. And that is the most harmless iteration of it.
That counts for every religion.
@@toolatetothestory if ya say you're perfect or happy or functional it's usually a lie. People who actually are don't boost about it.
To be brutally frank, the Christian part is the giveaway, because religion is a fantastic way to get people to do bad shit. You simply cherry pick and amplify all your petty biases and that's why the US in especially is dragging behind much of the rest of the western world in comparison.
The sooner better critical thinking and better education happens to the US, the better.
The fact that the children were ‘too young to know what was happening’ is WHY molestation is so horrible and straight up explains why children cannot consent. Literally my jaw dropped when she said that. They’re disgusting himans
As a person who was molested at a young age, by a family member, the real weight of the trauma didn't really hit me until I was in my early 20s. I'm a married woman who will sometimes cry in the middle of sex because of trauma. My husband is the kindest most gentle man in those moments. He holds me and he comforts me. Not once has he made me feel bad for stopping in the middle of things. Without his wonderful support I don't think I could have sex at this point because of the repressed trauma that didn't fully develop until I became an adult. It's not a victimless crime just because they can't remember it or didn't understand. It makes you feel things even if you can't articulate those feelings.
@@chloecalvincooper9467 I understand how you feel, and I applaud you for speaking about your pain. I often find that I can't bring myself to speak about what happened to me. So thank you for basically being my own, and many other's voice. I'm thankful to have a boyfriend like your husband, who is gentle and understanding, we need more men like them in this world. Thank you once again, Take care~!
@@aliceblack1565 stay strong! You're doing great and you've got this.
Does she think they won't figure it out? Does she think they're stupid?
Same thing happened to me by a brother it hit me in 2021 the worst I just had a break down inknew for years it was bad and happened right before puberty which made me so uncomfortable for my entire teen years
It's always insane to me how crazy transphobes get over trans people being "abusers" and then how they react to actual abusers.
Same. It's like you have the same people who criticize the LGBTQ+ community saying they're all this horrible things, promptly turning around and letting those around them or just others in general get away with those exact things your condemning this community for.
Statistically there has been more child a buse and SA in churches and amongst priests done to children than trans people have ever done to children.
It's funny that the religious folk point their fingers at trans people as if they don't have endless skeletons in their religion. There's literally a new article everyday about how youth pastors or priests were either caught a busing children or outright trafficking them *in America alone.*
Literally just just /lgbt/ or bother googling crime statistics for trans identifying men. TiMs are either gay with horribly internalized homophobia or straight men who are addicted to porn. Well, they're both addicted to porn but the "transbians" hurt women more.
It’s because they don’t want to face the fact that abusers can come from all walks of life.
@@codyconnor6981facts
Regarding the Megyn Kelly interview - Jill's memoir said Josh was sitting in the same room and staring at them while Jill and Jessa had to tell the world Josh's actions weren't that bad. Imagine having to talk about your victimization while the person who hurt you is staring you down. The Duggar parents are terrible, and so is Josh.
And Megan Kelly should have said he needs to get out. If he stays we go bye bye!!!
Agreed
It’s worth mentioning that even if you “don’t remember” being assaulted as a child, there’s overwhelming evidence pointing to the fact that your body DOES remember. I was molested in my sleep by a family member and didn’t find out until years later, but I still have always showed signs of being assaulted since that day. And finding out is a trauma in and of itself, realizing that someone you thought loved and cared about you has violated your trust and your body without your knowledge is painful enough even if you don’t believe that unaware victims can still show symptoms of trauma. Those girls were hurt. They were traumatized. Their parents can deny it all they want, but everyone else knows full well that they raised a monster.
took the words right out of my mouth, so sorry that happened to you by the way 🩶
It's also just BS they won't remember since one of them was aware enough to tell on him. They were just lying to downplay it and protect Josh. Because they don't care, and have never cared, about their female children.
I hope you're recovering. Sending love to you .
If it's too much don't worry about it, but if you don't mind me asking what were those symptoms of trauma? I ask for my own concerns about myself :,)
@@rainandhail67 if you're trying to work through that i recommend 'the body keeps the score', it's a core book for people trying to understand that kind of thing in their lives (and is worth reading for anyone)
The Duggars are a prime example of why having quality relationships with your kids is more important than having as many kids as possible
This really seems like it should be obvious to anyone with even half a brain. It makes me really sad that it isn't.
But keep in mind that Josh was the golden boy of the family. He probably had the most of a relationship with his parents due to being the first born and male. The family's culture teaches boys and men to fetishize purity, to expect access to sex, to assume they can't control their sexual urges, to have authority over women and children and that their sexual urges and mistakes are the fault of others. Is it really any wonder that men in these groups tend to be sexually abusive pedos? Their culture teaches them to be.
Being religious nut jobs doesn’t help matters either. It makes the situation worse because of the way that they think about the situation. They think their son is more important than their daughters.
You have to remember that the quiverfull people 1) believe that you should have as many kids as possible for the sake of "out breeding" non Christians hoping to overtake non religious and people of other religions. 2) that the quiverfull has an extremely high overlap with the brand of Christian fundamentalist that believes while you should TRY to follow Christ's teachings as long as you believe that christ is your savior that you are going to heaven without exception. You could be a child rapist serial killer but as long as you believe in Jesus you go to heaven in their eyes.
Quality not quantity
If the daughters were “too young to understand what happened” then why did they feel the need to tell their parents about it?
“They won’t remember” I have an extreme needle phobia. I panic every time I get an injection or my blood drawn even though I know it won’t hurt. Turns out I was given 7 injections back to back at once as a newborn and that is most likely the source of my permanent trauma.
They may never remember (they will now because it’s public news) but trauma stays with you
I think those injections are the source of your phobias. Even if you don't remember them your body does!
It's called Trypanophobia (fear of needles), and you need serious help, because needles are NOT as bad as they might seem! I never liked needles, either, but sometimes, it's the ONLY way to protect yourself and those around you! The COVID-19 Pandemic made things worse for people like you, and more than 1 million Americans died when they didn't have to!
@@LisaKoffler A Phobia isn't something you want it's a Mood disorder!
YES! It's a Mood Disorder, and it requires professional help!
just because it's been a constant thus far doesn't mean that it's "permanent," there are ways to work on almost any phobia.
to get a phobia from things like being inoculated is incredibly rare and tragic.
in any event, those children are 100% going to remember what he did to them, subconsciously or otherwise.
man needs to take a bath with an electronic.
Oh, so having 20 children is fine, basically not letting the children interact with the outside world is fine, telling them that if they get assaulted it's their fault is fine, forcing them to have one very specific world view is fine, but telling children that some people have two mommies is child abuse and/or grooming.
MAKE. IT. MAKE. SENSE.
Easy, they just hate gay people and transgender people for being such.
2 moms isn't child abuse. Lesbians that have a poly relationship, in which they have sex partners in their house daily, and then taking those children to a drag show...and having their children place dollar bills into a transsexual strippers thong...that is a different story.
Conservatives are child abusers and blame lesbians and trans people not to mention everyone else just to cover up their power
American Christians friendo, they don't have the capability to make sense.
THIS !!!! And letting parents support their kids gender identity is seen as abuse too like ??
and if anyone wants an update, josh duggar has recently been sent to solitary confinement because he was caught with contraband -- a smartphone with MORE CSA media. he will not change. he is an awful person.
Child rapers will never change.
Child Abusers never change.
i hope he goes insane in solitary and is tormented by his mind
I almost forgot to not be a Christian and not go to Church and not indoctrinate any Children, today. Who the hell ever Narrated this Video should be so kind as to forget to be an awful Narrator.
Hopefully when he's let out the other prisoners will show him what happens to sicko's like him. With many shanks. If you're in prison and still obtaining and delighting in such material, the only pedo that never reoffends is a dead one in this case.
Huge shout out to the producers at Oprah. Even though nothing directly came of it, they could’ve easily just cancelled and let it be. But the fact that they reached out to law enforcement at all is awesome
"Letting it be" is the WORST thing ANYONE can do! If it wasn't Oprah, sooner or later, it would have been someone else, since behavior like Josh's can't be hidden forever! He and his parents are already experiencing Karma as we speak!
They are required to. The information was sent to them and they reviewed it. Not reporting to law enforcement would’ve got them in trouble.
@@thefutureisnow7300 only if they are mandatory reporters like teachers, lifeguards, nurses, doctors, etc. but I don’t think tv producers fall into that category
oprah is herself involved in this kind of behavoir im afraid
They could see a story in it.
It's interesting to me that when Harpo Studios was told there's something not right that they actually alerted police. In so many cases, it seems like someone is warned that there's a predator, and it's hushed up. The fact that Harpo Studios ACTUALLY told the police? Good on them.
It's shocking knowing how connected to several pedophiles Oprah is
Oprah probably was his first molester.
Surprising yes
If they hadn't, the negative PR would have hurt the Oprah brand. That's all. No higher motive like protecting the children. It was all about preserving the brand and the money made by Oprah and company
I’m gonna say something extremely controversial and if you disagree, please don’t be mean in the comments. I don’t want to start a fight with anyone. I’m completely up to being corrected and I’ll stand down and delete this comment and/or edit it if I’m wrong.
Having that many children should be considered child abuse or at the very least child neglect. There’s no way you can offer emotional support and nurture to that many children at the same time living all under one roof. If you’re having a lot of children but it’s spaced out so you only have a few kids in the house to raise at a time, I don’t see anything wrong with that. But having something like 12-18 kids back to back and having them all under the same roof should be considered child neglect or child abuse. There is no way in hell only two people can bear the responsibility of offering individual support to each and every one of their children all at the same time. There’s no way. That’s simply incomprehensible.
Edit: I’ve read 205 comments so far and everyone’s been so nice! Thanks guys! Glad to see we all have common sense because I was doubting myself writing this comment lol
I don't think that's controversial at all! People who have that many children almost always do it because they expect the older ones to raise the youngest, and having to be responsible and parent their siblings so young gives the older siblings no childhood. And for the younger siblings, it would be basically impossible for their parents to give them any actual attention and care when they have that many children to look after. And I haven't even touched on the economic struggle involved...
I agree
I agree. I find it selfish to have this many kids without any thought as to who's going to care for them. Parentification is so harmful as it takes life experiences and time away from older children because they always need to tend to their younger ones.
I was parentified since I was 7 to my then four younger siblings and finally told everyone I won't continue it anymore when I was 17. I lost the chance to make friends and experience my life for myself; it made me antisocial and I am 20 and still struggling to make any friends in person. I still live at home (hopefully for not much longer) and don't go out because being at home makes me feel obligated to take on the parental role again and that I shouldn't be gone for more than work and errands....
Being parentified with 18 other siblings younger than you must be horrid.
@@Bleatjio (I don’t mean this in a rude way) You are the exact type of person I was thinking about when I made this comment. People who get stripped of the right to be their own people because they were forced to be a parent so young. It’s soooo awful to me. I cannot imagine the kind of identity crisis you had to go through.
Preach your truth loud. People in those faiths that have an obscene amount of children do it only for the purpose of indoctrination and bolstering the ranks of their churches. They don't do it for the children.
It's so odd that a woman who leaves the majority of childcare to her children received an award for mother of the year.
shouldve been birther tbh
Kinda like every dirty cop has an award of some sort?
Broodmare** of the year more like. I doubt she did any kind of mothering after her 3rd child.
@@alostbard so....
Almost every cop.
@@danubeisreallypeculiarrive7944 No some
It’s wild to think that, had that doctor not been misinformed (or outright lying) about birth control, they might not have ever gotten to this point
Misinformed how? BC prevents a fertilized egg from attaching. Thus the baby in its earliest stage dies. Plus BC in hormonal form is well-known to cause horrible side effects in women, which includes miscarriage of later planned pregnancies.
I remember reading her book and thinking "This woman sure likes to hear herself talk." There's so many places she dropped the ball as a "Christian" mother. She should have paid more attention to her children instead of telling people how to raise theirs.
Michelle: says she does not want predators to hurt children
Also Michelle: doesn't protect her daughters and any of the victims of Josh Duggar
Well according to their home schooling it’s the victims fault. Trash parents.
@@teatea1115 that's what I have saw too. I feel so bad for those girls, hearing them break down in that interview without their parents around broke my heart
It’s not just on michelle to protect the girls, it’s also on Jimbob. Why are women always getting blamed when men oppress women? It’s like we forget that Michelle wasn’t a single mom.
@@Breathefreemylove I know that he’s also to blame too. I was mocking how she spoke about the trans people should go in the bathroom that is right for them, and making it sound like that they are just child molesters given the golden opportunity to rape kids.
@@Breathefreemylove I suppose they could of put “J and M” but I feel they were specifically quoting her because she advocates against SA of young girls.
Guaranteed that Josh Duggar is not the only monster in that house. He's just the only one who's been outed so far
He was the stupid and entitled monster, who was just used to be protected. He thought he doesn't need to hide it that well, or he was too stupid to do so
Agreed
Yep. I'm betting every one of those boys is a predator who has hurt his sisters, and will hurt others. It's the Christian way, after all.
@@The_Serpent_of_EdenSpoken like true bigot and ignorance.
I dont believe that at all.Most of those boys are decent caring hard working young men....probably better than most young men these days.
Going back to this, JimBob forcing boys to fill out 30 page questionnaires to date the girls but waiting 3 incidents to do something about Josh’s degeneracy and then responding with a half-asses nothing burger solution makes my blood boil
My thoughts exactly
Why. If you had a son, you would certainly send him down the river..... sounds good to me..
If I got a fifty page questionnaire from the father I’d hand it to the girl and tell her “You’re on your own”.
I wouldn't blame you.
That was probably one of the points. Can't handle the questionnaire then she must not be that important to you
@@jennag3226
And I can just imagine your response on being handed the questionnaire.
@georgejones3526 What do imagine? And before you answer please realize I'm a girl
@@jennag3226 please realize what healthy relationship look like. This testing of your loved ones is fucked up
michelle making the robocall saying " we must protect our daughters" is VERY ironic
Right. Just goes to show that they could care less about protecting girls and women. They literally just hate trans ppl. sad
Too busy “protecting” hypothetical daughters to protect her own
She couldn’t even save her own daughters
I'm trans and this sort of thing has gone from making me feel like shit to making me feel a mix of pity and amusement. Like, yeah, *I'm* the one you need to worry about. Not your child-molesting son.
"All conservative accusations are confessions." Is becoming more accurate as time goes on.
It's painfully ironic, really. Personally I'd rather get hit with an anvil.
The audacity for her to be like “no man should be in a girl’s private space” and then for her to basically blame her daughters for what her son did and mark it up as them not remembering possibly 🤮
@@joedge6142 Yikes. I don't have the time to explain why that's a bad take, but I hope you realize what's wrong with your view
@@thatTesstyBish yikes, your take is pretty bad too. But I’m also not gonna explain why.
I think you're really confused
@@joedge6142 Trans women are women.
Talk about gaslightning
Child abuser. "blanket training" = hitting the INFANT when said infant reaches for a toy or for the caregiver. Justified as learning discipline? NO. It's must torture and creepy abuse.
Whoa.. I had heard about “blanket training” and I thought it was cruel enough when it was just toys the child was punished for reaching for. I had no idea that these babies weren’t allowed to do the most natural thing, reach out for their loved one, without being abused for it. How tragic :(
The icing on the cake.....when her eldest daughter got married the night before, her father MADE her sign a CONTRACT basically to where they the parents took ALL HER FUTURE INCOME no matter how MANY EPISODES/including FUTURE episodes she participated in!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 It SHOWS THEIR INSATIABLE GREED!!!
this is what happens when you treat abuse as a "sin issue" to be handled in the church. it's not a sin, it's a crime
Well, it’s still a sin.
It’s both. Should have been thrown out of church and into jail.
It’s both my friend. A sin and a crime. Like murder. And I agree should not be handled by the church. Nor should murder.
It’s both it’s both a physical crime and a spiritual sin when you injure others.
An LDS bishop, upon hearing a confession from a father who was molesting his children and wanted to stop, told him to pray on it...
Even if they weren't terrible parents, choosing to raise 19 kids is just deplorable. No way in hell they are getting the attention they need/deserve from the parents.
I couldn't agree more. I got my tubes tied after 2 simply because I only have two arms. They're 6 and 8 now, but I can hug them both at the same time when they need it ❤️
You'd never have any alone time, almost never have bonding time with your parents, and would be learning how to be a human from your siblings who are also children. It just seems like a recipe for bad development and depression.
Exactly
As kid #10 of 15, i completely agree. Anything more than 6 is ridiculous.
Having 19 kids is Horrible parenting
its insane how much fundamentalists in any religion will cover for each other. not for just any old thing but for the most degenerate, unforgivable crimes
For the men only, though. If there does happen to be some despicable female abůšer, she will be burned at the stake
Religion is the cause of so much previous deeds. Only accepting Jesus an following him not man rules not world rules. Well I guess God has an account of all of us an our sins . Willing to forgive us if we accept his Son Jesus an what he did on the cross oh my what a world
@@angeleyes9990 I'll be fine with the Lord forgiving chomos when it becomes normalized to send them to Him.
Does that religion also involve atheist, pagans and Satanists
Regardless of whether or not you agree with what “Mama Duggar” said in her voicemail, you cannot deny the fact that it is incredibly rich coming from her. Protecting women and girls? When she can’t protect her own? And won’t?? Practice what you preach.
I feel like anyone owning material like Daisy’s Destruction should never see the outside of a prison cell for the rest of their lives.
I'm not normally one for this, but anyone with that kind of material deserves to be in gen pop. Wonder how Joshy boy will handle that.
That is the most disturbing material that I’ve ever heard of, even for the dark web. Hurt 2 the Core explains it all
You are 100% absolutely correct
@@yelisabeth Is this person on ytb? Don't find a channel with that name
Mix of “I’m a pedo” and “I hated having so many babies around” yikes
My family has 9 kids. My brother Josh also did this kind of shit. My mom allowed him to come back to the house saying he was cured. He was not. He traumatized even more of my siblings when he came back. My mom takes 0 accountability for anything that he's done. I will always resent her for this.
I'mso sorry, went thru it too, the down playing so they can feel ok about it
Wow, that is so wrong, and so NOT Godly!! I feel so for you my friend. Please know that in spite of the brutal injustice you endured at your brother's hand, healing for you is possible. Keep telling the truth and seeking healing. "I am the way the truth and the life.." {John 14:6}
Go to the police and lock him away. He’s never going to stop.
I’m so sorry
I think this is more common then people realize. I know it is….
One thing that isn't spoken about enough...
They took photos of Josh's hands and feet.
CSAM sites run as an exchange, not a market. You have to buy in with your own material.
Anna Duggar won't let people talk to her kids. It's entirely possible he abused his kids, filmed it, and used it to get more material.
The photos of his hands and feet are going to be used to identify him in material in the future.
That's horrifying to realize. Damn.
I'm sick
I had no idea that's how that worked😢 so he had to of abused his own kids! That's disgusting
Josh abused Anna and ALL 7 kids! It's absolutely disgusting!
omg i wish more people saw this comment, that’s horrifying!
I don’t know where I heard of it, but I’ve heard of Daisy’s Destruction before. When I saw the title show up in the video, I recoiled and became nauseous. He doesn’t deserve 100+ months in prison. He deserves 100+ lifetimes in prison.
dude yeah I can't believe 12 years is the sentence for all that, literally how?
Idk if it's just me but the Duggars have always given me cult vibes, even the way Jim and Michelle talk, how monotone and empty they sound, and how lifeless and dead their eyes look. Reminds me a lot of Onion boy. They've always creeped me out.
Exactly. Even without the horrible scandal, having that many kids ALONE should be enough to signal these people are not sane.
They are their own small cult, why else would they keep having kids to indoctrinate
@@WinterReflections I feel anything past like 6 kids is when it gets to be a bit too much. 7-8? Bit Concerning. 9 or more? There’s something wrong here. 19 is just actual insanity. I can’t imagine pushing out that many babies.
I feel like it shouldn’t even be physically possible to have that many.. Just thinking of it makes me feel sick..
Just cutting in here to say, please don't base your assumptions on people by the WAY they talk, focus instead on what they're saying. As someone on the autism spectrum, assuming a monotone voice or 'dead eyes' means someone is 'bad' has actively affected neurodivergent people's lives for the worse (this is seen with how people who 'read body language' assume tics, stims and other 'not normal' ways of holding oneself is associated with deception or hiding something, which even comes down to stuff like people assuming you're lying because you can't make eye contact). I honestly don't want to pull attention away from dunking on these awful people, but I am asking you to maybe reconsider why you think a monotone voice means they are being insincere.
Ofc, any religion, taken seriously and literally to the book becomes a harmful cult.
He....he downloaded Daisy's Destruction and people STILL defend him...?! That clip is so indescribably horrific that even the most desensitized gore researchers can't stomach it. This demon needs to be kept in a cell for the rest of his natural life.
I googled what that is. Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Even just reading a single sentence about what that absolute horror is almost made me physically ill. Humanity is capable of some truly horrific things. For anyone else reading the above comment, do not search this out, or god forbid watch it, if thats even possible. You will regret what you find.
What's daisy's destruction? You don't have to answer if it's really bad
@@smiley6149 essentially, it's a terrible gore/cp film/video where i believe Daisy was a 2 month or year old
I only know what it is through youtube comments, and already feel worse for knowing it exist.
How can.... just how? I don't understand. How can people defend him?
"God lets SA happen due to immodest dress, being without parental protection, being with evil friends or indecent exposure."
So when some sicko SA's an infant, small child or an elderly woman (which are things that happen), which one of those things do these people think the victims are guilty of?
Those immodest 5 year olds. How could they seduce Josh!
There was a kid in my class in highschool who was one of 12 kids and counting. The mom had a new kid each year. The father had a prestigious job and eventually imigrated to Australia, leaving some of the middle kids, including the girl in my class, in the care of their then-adult siblings. Off course the parents could not afford to assist any of the kids to get any tertiary education or training, leaving them to fend for themselves in adulthood. It was sickening.
The fact that sexual abuse is apart of this “homeschooling curriculum” leads me to believe, that this is something that must happen quite often within this “church”. So sad.
Sexual abuse happens in all types of families. Always has and will continue to happen. Bad and good touch is taught in elementary school also.
The creator of the iblp church program was a serial sexual abuser. Probably thought to include this lesson for himself and fellow abusers. Nobody protects pedos like fellow pedos
@@b52270 it isn't taught in every elementary school. i never learned anything about it until after i was assaulted
Regarding this comment, it highlights a concerning aspect of the Duggars family allegations, namely the possibility that sexual abuse may have been a part of their homeschooling curriculum and that this could be indicative of a larger issue within their church community. The comment is well-written and effectively communicates the author's perspective on the matter. I would rate it a 4 out of 5.
@@commentreviewer9113 Thank you! That is exactly what I was getting at.
“Sexual assault doesn’t affect the soul and spirit”
YES IT DOES. OH MY GOD. Do they not know about trauma?
Sexual assault is soul murder.
Probably don't believe in the concept of trauma. They want to close their eyes and pretend it doesn't exist.
@@YourQueenJuan it’s called “soul murder”.
Proves their souls are twisted.
No, They don't believe in trauma/ mental health/ therapy.
37:02 so the mother thought by not telling their daughters they were sexually abused that they would be fine?! just because they didn't undertand what happened when they were children doesn't mean it won't mess them up when they work out what happened as adults. Shame on the parents.
I would have been utterly miserable in that family. I never wanted kids in the first place, and the thought of having to act as a mom before I was even a teenager....hell no
i was molested by my sibling as a child, and I really feel for those poor girls. I know EXACTLY what it feels like, where you have people saying "boys will be boys" and "it wasn't rape so it wasn't that bad" and "he was just curious". I heard those exact same things when my incident happened and I heard them from my own family members. It's disgusting that people are more willing to protect a predator than the victims who are suffering.
I'm so sorry that happened to you and thank you for sharing. Your voice helps to dismantle the harmful opinions people like the Duggars spew.
justifies their owns sins in their own minds,
Oh, Alex. I’m so so sorry for all you have been through. I wish someone protected you. Sending my love 😢
I am so sorry that happened to you. I hope that you got the actual support you needed outside of your family and outside of faith alone to help you with that. Talking to a professional and finding a way to work through those kinds of intense traumas is very important.
@@michellec9334 I can't speak for other situations, but in my family, my parents defend the sibling that did this same thing to me, and my father essentially ended up spelling out the why. I want to clarify first that there is a severe cognitive dissonance between "family crimes" and what literally anyone else outside the family has done. My father can listen to stories like this (the Duggars) and not see himself in it/be disgusted, he can watch SVU and agree with the fictional characters who haven't forgive their childhood abusers even when they're adults and agree with them, but when it comes to me or his sister? It's different. We're the problem.
The culture in my family seems to derive from my grandmother. She knew that her son, my uncle, did the same thing to my aunt, and she protected him, as did my dad and his brother. My aunt, instead, was left ignored. My grandma even bought this uncle a house, which she did not do for any of the other kids (and also, very clearly, not my aunt, a fucking victim. Favouritism much?). This idea of what could be "forgiven" in a family was kind of just instilled through one parents' lack of action. My aunt has been painted to me my whole life as an irrational, crazy woman, bc she has such a tumultuous relationship with my uncles/dad and my grandma. But when my dad decided to justify my brother's crimes in one of his many "get over it already" speeches, listing all the other crimes in our family (which, apparently, is many. yay.), he told me this about my uncle and aunt. And like, it changed everything.
My grandma ignored/dismissed my aunt's pain and then as she grew older, my aunt was demonized for having issues with grandmother, which the beloved boys of the family did not. (Well, they do have other genuine issues, but that's a whole other topic.) My grandmother built this atmosphere that things can be forgiven or downplayed if it's done by family, and that has transferred to my father and thus my own experience. I will say that in many ways, my parents continued defence of my sibling and annoyance (at best) with me wanting him out of my life, has been more traumatizing than what he did.
My sibling also victimized my cousin, who is my said aunt's daughter. They *hate* that my parents did nothing for me, never stopped my sibling. Because he wasn't just sexually abusive, but very physically too. And it's pretty sad to me that my aunt, who was implied to be irrational or whatever, who is mostly out of my life and the rest of that side of the family's lives, is the only adult in my family who said "That's fucked up."
So, was the abuse dismissed bc they were defending an adult predator first? I don't know. But the defence of these acts are very easily justified and instilled within families, even non-religious ones. My sibling and my uncle were also very young when they did those crimes. But it's forgiven, despite all the other fucked up shit my uncle's done since. And my sibling? The golden child? Well, he's got his own family, which of course no one but me seems to be concerned about, and they're all very sure that he's fixed, despite him being across the country and no one actually being able to know for sure. Many days I am worried I'll get news like what the media ended up getting with Josh.
Also, OP: it's so fucked that that happened to you, and I feel your pain so vividly. I hope you've been able to cut that piece of shit out of your life, and anyone else that defends this and harms your safety and health.
Josh is the golden child of his parents, and obviously, they favour him over their other kids. It is sickening that they don't see an issue with his disgusting and perverted behaviour.
Being the oldest boy, he's probably the only one they developed a relationship/bond with before they became overwhelmed by the numbers. He's a golden child solely because he's the only one that is really 'their' child. The others might as well be the children of their older siblings for all the care, affection or attention their bio parents paid to any of them.
@Tara I'd also say, on an unrelated note, Josie is a close second as well. Not only because she is the youngest, but because of her health complications from being a micro preemie (being born at 25 weeks), which is kind of understandable because I can imagine how stressful and concerning it would be to have a baby born that premature is scary as the risks and health complications can be significant.
@@animefangrl0902 I wouldn't say this. They pretty much dumped Josie on Jana
I heard they believe Josh is one of the chosen. I forgot exactly what they called it but that he is above sin😬
exactly, cause apparently it's only an issue to these people when lgbtq+ people do it.....which is sadly common.
My ex-girlfriend was in the same homeschool group as the Duggars and talked to me about them over a decade ago. I was not the least bit surprised when stuff came out, if anything, it was shocking how long it took things to come out.
How her mom could have kids and just neglect them of a true mother figure is heartbreaking.
"Daisy's Destruction" was so monstrous that the gore community believed it was just an urban legend up until the Australian child murderer who filmed it was arrested.
The FBI has also done a great job covering it up, making it nearly impossible to access the full thing. It makes me sick to my stomach that something like that exists
I'd like to point out that 'Daisy' (not her real name) was 18 months old.
A year and a half old.
That man is a fucking monster.
@@Mila-Rosa I´ve gone years thinking she was at least 10 and thinking that the suppossed urban legend couldn´t get worse, until now.
@@lemonpanda1137 she was left with permanent disabilities due to her abuse, she's absolutely going to "know" something bad happened to her, along with the trauma and life long mental health battles she will be left with
@@lemonpanda1137 It's a gore video if I'm not mistaken, she likely didn't survive it. And I get what you mean, but I don't think not remembering the reason behind the trauma is better or worse than being conscious of it, I think it's just a different type of suffering.
Wow good on Oprah's studio for taking that warning seriously and contacting the police... I could see any studio easily dismissing something like that
Oprah is known to "rub elbows" with child preditors!
They did the right thing. There's NO EXCUSE for such conduct.
What’s crazy is they could have brushed it off like I’m sure a lot of tv studios would have. But they did the right thing and who knows what would have happened if it never came out
@@harmc2301 yeah. But they contacted the authorities. Had they not done so there's no telling how bad things would had gotten. Oprah Winfrey did the right thing in this case.
I would rate this comment a 4 out of 5.
The comment is relevant to the context and provides an insightful perspective on the situation. It also acknowledges and praises Oprah's studio for their responsible action in contacting the police. However, the comment is relatively short and doesn't provide much additional information or analysis. Overall, it is a good and positive contribution to the discussion.
6:14 So the radical forgiveness doesn't extend to lgbtq+ family members, but does to someone who repeatedly has assaulted underage, vulnerable kids... got it.
Well yeah, drag queens reading books are obviously groomers, just ignore my kid and the shit he did.
And then went on to download one of the most disgusting and monstrous videos on the planet
Religion leads to some of the most evil shit I’ve heard in my life
The wildest thing to me is that josh told his parents what he did, knowing it was wrong and seeking help for it. Instead of giving him the professional help he needed they dismissed it basically telling him it's no big deal. They let a wound fester instead of doing something about it
Right? There was potential for him and the victims to get phycological help from the start. Fuck his parents. A monster of their own making. Makes me wish they got time in jail too.
they don't trust the secular world, help for them needs to always come from inside their church & group
That is really messed up.
@@vss1232 I'm wondering if they or their church ever touched a bible because then they should know what happened when Amon r* Tamar and King David did nothing about it.
The homeschool system they used is so fucked up. It has a section on insect that blames the victim every single time. That the person who abused you sexually is fine as long as they confess the sin to god. Not repent just confess. That the victim needs to beg forgiveness from their abuse!
Anyone who intentionally seeks out and gets pleasure from Daisy's destruction should be immediately put away and never released. That's the only proof needed to conclude that person has zero humanity in them and is nothing but a monster. End of story. Throw away the key.
i'll take skinned alive, honestly
I hope he gets WRECKED. Dude needs to be wiped up like snot on a rag and I have zero compassion for him.
Yep ......that sounds pretty fair enough 2me😁😳🤪
human behaves human, alien behaves alien,
those type of criminals are victims of "possession"
@@demonslayereren3970 it's sad that you don't see what human are capable of.
if my child sexually assaulted a child that would not be my kid anymore. plain and simple. I don't tolerate that shit, especially after being raped myself at the ripe old age of three.
I'm a Christian and very socially conservative, but the I've always took issue with Jim Bob defacto pimping out his family on Live TV for money. I couldn't fathom having a camera crew recording every little aspect of my personal life and broadcasting it all over. Plus it was clearly financially motivated from the start.
I'm no longer a Christian but I was when this show originally aired. I remember feeling the same way. They really put off the "look at how close we are to God" vibes. You could tell the loved the attention and praise they were getting within their community that agreed with their lifestyle. They definitely wanted money but Jim wanted influence. He had a lot of political asparations.
I was sexually abused as a baby, yes as a baby! . The people that say "they were so young they didn't realize" or "they won't remember " are completely and horrifically ignorant, to say they least. The abuse effected me greatly and it is subconsciously there no matter what!
And to anyone wondering I am doing great!
I have used my trauma to help and will continue to do help.
Good to hear you're doing well!
🙏I wish you well, I'm sorry that happened to you.
I am SO sorry that happened to you. And you're absolutely right. I would imagine there would be trauma no matter the age...I don't know you, but I'm very proud of you for pushing through, not to mention helping other people. You're awesome!!💕
THANK YOU SO MUCH for sharing your story, I commented that my abuse still affects me even though it is my earliest memory, and I KNOW that subconscious trauma is just as real if not more so, thank you for explaining further why this woman's opinion is fucking horrible. I hope you have a wonderful day
@@marialane5193 hope you have a good day too 😊 ☺ 💗
There's a family kinda like the Duggars in my hometown and they have, at the very least, 9 kids with the mom being pregnant seemingly every time you see her. The mom frequently told people the same excuse as the Duggars; that she was "giving her womb up to god." Each kid is about if not less than a year apart except for the eldest, who is two years older than the next and a year my junior. I had several classes with him in high school and I remember asking him if he liked having so many siblings and he vehemently told me no. He talked about how he felt more like a babysitter than an older brother and he was tired of having to spend his free time watching them. He even told me he once begged his parents to stop having children and they just laughed at him.
Him and his younger brother both played basketball and the only time their parents showed up to a game was the very last one of the season and they only managed to stay for the last five minutes before their kids got too rowdy.
I remember going on a school trip to a significantly larger town with him and asking what he wanted to eat and he confessed that he hadn't been out of town, outside of school functions, in years and didn't really know what was out there in the first place.
I was a lifeguard at a local pool and the whole family came in one day and within 3 minutes, the four oldest had been tasked with watching the younger ones and the oldest hadn't even gotten the chance to touch the water before his dad yelled for all of them to gather their stuff and get in the car.
I don't care if you want to have a ton of children, but you have to understand that you CANNOT let your children depend on OTHER children to get their developmental needs met. At that point you rob each child the chance to grow up and enjoy being just that, A CHILD
"Womb up to god"... I bet it's not god nailing her every night.
Just wow. That's absolutely horrible. Hopefully, he was able to move out when he came of age.
Ts, ts. Your comment displays far too much of logic and reality and too little of biblical patriarchy, misogyny, ignorance, cruelty, fake sanctity, fake love, gaslighting, victim blaming, religious depravity and christian sexual pathology in it.
In other words, you are NOT going to heaven and having many virgins to play with.
I remember watching an episode that contains their “friends” who have 17-18 children. Which means there’re bunch of these kind of people around.
This can happen in much smaller families as well--my husband spent his high school years basically raising his younger two sisters.
Just don't have kids unless you plan on taking care of them yourself. If you have too many to keep track of yourself, hire an au pair or a nanny. Kids aren't meant to parent.
"the victim was too young to know what was happening" makes it worse, actually. It makes it worse.
Josh's wife Anna ... continuing to stick with him and continuing to bear him babies ... I am speechless about that.
obviously any kind of child abuse material is horrendous but when you said he had downloaded daisy's destruction my jaw actually dropped. incase anyone is lucky enough to not know much about it its one of the worst things I've ever heard of, not just child sexual abuse but extreme torture and eventual murder of very young children. josh is a fucking monster and I truly hope he rots in jail
I haven't gotten that far into the video but my jaw dropped after reading your comment. The fact this psycho even had that.... Off with his nuts and head .
@@Piedhiper I couldn't remember the age of the child in this particular video but I just braved googling it and 'Daisy' was 18 MONTHS OLD. an actual baby and put through the worst things imaginable. like you said off with that monster's fucking head
@@bea9631 yup! You're she was 18 months. I've heard what they did to her poor girl 😔. People like josh deserve nothing but torture.
Me too I was so shocked, having heard of the video and the guy being arrested it's known that, that particular video is very hard to come by and that takes some real digging and or money to obtain. That man is disgusting, and hope he rots.
Seriously?! Fuck. This world is disgusting.
I grew up in a Christian house, I’m still a Christian to this day. I’ll never forget mentioning this show to my mom and saying “they’re Christian!” And her saying “they believe that women are nothing more then baby making machines. I can’t see how you can provide everything needed for all those kids at the same time” made me take a closer look at them, and even as a kid, I knew something wasn’t right (even from a Christian perspective)
I lived in AR for many years. Every AR Baptist I've ever met was a vile insidious creepy person. And sure didn't act like a real Christian
Your mother sounds like a smart woman.
I'm a Christian too, although admittedly one who has gone through a bit of a tough stretch with my former church. Faith is powerful and important to me, so it is hard and infuriating to see it exploited and abused by people who have a real, horrifying dark side underneath the surface
@@skippythealien9627 I know, right? Unfortunately, my friend who use to be my pastor had to go through the same thing because of church politics and other people in power. They mistreated him so badly, he's no longer a full time pastor anymore. He's a science teacher now.
I remember they were living in an2 bedroom home with like 10 kids before they got all the tv money and built the big , shiny , enormous home . I was disappointed the images and reality of their poverty and all those kids wasn’t included in the documentary : As it was mentioned Jim Bob grew up in poverty. He was still living in poverty- unable to fiscally provide for all his children before the tv money .
@@amyshew1151This explains why he was more concerned about his tv image than taking responsibilities for the monstrosity going on in his own home.
As someone who also grew up in a Christian home, my parents always thought they were too legalistic. I remember my mom told all of her friends who liked the show that something was off about them all and they shouldn't watch. Guess she was onto something lol
God dammit….I’m a trans woman what she said just angers me and worries me…I’m just trying to exist I didn’t do anything wrong and my life is hard enough as it is. Then just by the nature of being trans I’m automatically a predator and pedophile for whatever reason because people are uncomfortable with my existence and decide to attack me because they see me as a man and decide I’m evil for wanting a space to just exist and feel comfortable and accept…I know deep down I’ll never be accepted and it hurts even if people say they do and see me as a woman I know I’ll still be seen as different not really a woman. I wish I was I wish I didn’t have this body. I’m proud to be trans I’m proud to be myself and I’m happy to be who I am but this life can be hard especially because so many people are trying to attack my right to just exist with so many laws being passed to control everything I can do, to force me to live the way other people think I should. Anyway I’m sorry this is a rambly comment that’s not even really about this video I’m sorry just stuff like this worries me.
I hate when family steal their children’s childhoods by making them parent their siblings. It’s a real thing with real emotional and mental ramifications. It’s sickening. Don’t have kids you can’t parent them all.
I agree with this so much. While I think it's beautiful for older siblings to want to help their mom, that's all it is, help. They can babysit for a few hours every once it a while, help their mom prepare food, pass the diapers and wipes to mom, etc. What it shouldn't be is a personal daily responsibility. I liked helping my mom change diapers, babysitting, feeding, etc.
The one thing that scarred me was when my mom told me to prepare my sister's bottle. I refused because we were at a family party, and I was in the middle of playing with all of my cousins, and my parents were chatting with the adults. My mom sent me to bed early for that and I missed out playing with my cousins, the party, and the cake. I was 8 years old at that time, so a cake was a big deal. When I look at the family photos of this event, it makes me sad that I am not in them.
I know my one experience doesn't compare to other older siblings who literally had to raise their younger siblings. I was probably a brat and my parents did the best they could with the knowledge they had and experiences they lived while growing up themselves.
But this one experience affected me so much that now I am committed to not letting any of my kids miss out on any part of their childhood, while also teaching them to be caring and empathetic toward each other, and also willing to do things for each other.
Exactly
I also feel this way about people that have kids and want the grandparents to have them 24/7.
@@kt1pl2 True, A lot of grandparents today are raising thier grandkids. Grandparents day is in September and it doesn't get any recognition.
Right, what's worked since the dawn of time has clearly been a mistake. Obviously, the kids of this era are of the best quality.
One time my parents and older sister (mormon) and I (absolutely NOT mormon) were at the salt lake airport, and my mom and sister suddenly looked really excited and got up, and nearly ran over to talk to a man and a woman. And I was curious bc sometimes we have family I don't know about, so I went over there with them, and asked them who these people were. And they all looked really uncomfortable and my mom and sister tried to shoo me away, and I was like "What??? Who are they??? Should I know???"
Afterwards they came over and yelled at me bc the man and woman were the Duggar parents and I straight up told them to their face I had no idea who tf they were. That's my proudest moment tbh.
That's incredible lol
Good on you lol that's hilarious
That happened to me at the Dallas Airport when we got back from Australia. They were handing flyers and I was calling my mother to talk to her rather than run over there. I didn't know how they were either. I was 14 and coming down sick.
I never would've known who they were if it were not for their awful son. Everything I heard about them as a kid came in the form of their scandals on magazine covers. Absolutely disgusting that they took the path they did instead of doing literally anything else to help their poor daughters.
r/thathappened
Extremest beliefs lead to dangerous situations. Never trust anyone with an extremest mindset about anything.
I was raised independent Baptist, fundamental and HATED it. We had a narrow minded white man yelling hell fire and brimstone😮😮😮 it was horrific😢😢😢
As a sexual abuse survivor myself at age 7, it disgusts me that these parents DEFENDED AN ADMITTED ABUSER, basically dismissing the fact that some of their daughters were harmed by their eldest son, essentially by saying "boys will be boys". I'm not a parent, but if a couple decides to bear offspring, that couple has a legal and, more importantly, a MORAL obligation to protect their child(ren), even if it means sending one or more of their own to prison!
This is unfortunately very common in christian circles...
They have teached numerous girls & women, including their own daughters. That being abused by men is ok, normal & you should just let it happen & even be grateful..
How is this not a consern for the stupid censorship you have going on in the US..
@@ingridakerblom7577 I dont think its censorship but just blind negligence people see what they want to see aka a christian family but ignore whats behind that aka abuse, pedophilia and coverups
@@Nightsmith_After_Dark then why do we hear biiip all the time, when watching murican productions.. and if it's visual, it gets blurred out..
A autopsy documentary, where everything exept the Dr were blurred out..
That is what i menant..
It's somehow damaging to society to say f**k on TV, but not to expose & stop abuse & brainwashing..
@@ingridakerblom7577 i meant specifically in the case of people supporting this family... lol Im not american 1st of all. But censorship can be within the brain people ignore things that arent convenient or fit their narrative. That was more so what I was talking about. Also yeah thats just media being media
The transphobic tirade made by the mom is hilarious because it's always the case, whenever someone goes on about "We must protect our kids" from trans or just queer people exist it is 99% of the time a self report
comes across as very 'oh my gosh, look at THAT person, they're sooo bad, oh wow....' while trying to push their own skeletons back in their closet
If the finger is pointed away from you, it's not pointed towards you
The hypocrisy of her statements are astounding.
I was laughing out loud during that part really.
"Oh of course the parents are transphobic and homophobic, couldn't be more typical if they tried"
IT IS 😭
Religion breeds the biggest hypocrites.
My question is where did Josh learn how to cover his tracks like that? Somewhere in that community is a circle of monsters, and Josh was just the knucklehead that got caught first.
Probably that cop JimBob sent him to.
There is a person who worked with Josh in IT who I believe testified about Josh being present while he talked about how to create a partition for security purposes.
Josh was BORN "a bad seed," and he's one of the worst types of "knuckleheads!"
@@LisaKoffler That's just a lie that lets you pretend it's insignificant that they're like mormon freaks with a disgusting view of women and sex who raised him to be the predatory weirdo he is.
Churches are full of people like Josh, plenty of people to learn from, and he learnt to cover his tracks because he, like all predators, knew it was wrong. He knows the difference between right and wrong, but chooses to molest his sisters instead.
There’s a short clip on the Internet of Michelle screaming as she was unaware the cameras were in the house and rolling. As soon as she saw the camera, she immediately s(witch)ed into her ‘sweet talking - loving’ self.
It’s hilarious and scary.
Fake people, real lies.
I heard the kids were told they had to look happy all the time too. How long until holding in some feelings that weren't so happy results in an explosion...
Do you have a link for it?
@@priscilajaneth4695 unfortunately, I don’t. It is a short clip that was shown in a video about the Duggars. She was in a small hallway and looking left, and yelling then she looked towards the right, saw the cameras, went into character and sweet talked her was into the living room. That was all I needed to see. I hope you find it.
@@chakkakon I've seen it ,, think I remember it was Jill's husband recording it
@ Chakka Kon you got that right! Her voice makes me want to puke it reminds me of the FDL Mormon cult- keep sweet
Okay so I’ve been molested by a family member, and it infuriates me so much when I see other families react how mine did. My grandad molested me, and when I spoke up, they were convinced by him that he just had a diabetic episode (which A, doesn’t make a lot of sense, and B, wasn’t the case because of how he was speaking to me during and before). He was reacting perfectly fine, wasn’t tired or clammy or confused, he called me by my name during. He knew what he was doing, and whenever I tried to turn away, he would move with me. I just tried to pretend to be asleep and hope it stopped, because that’s all I could do.
He died very recently, and every single person around me calls him a saint. He single-handedly ruined my entire relationship with my sexuality that I still feel now, and no one acknowledges it. It’s why I’m not carrying his coffin, I’m not crying for him, I’m crying because the people around me are dealing with grief, and I will continue to be okay, knowing that everyone around me is safe from him, and that I don’t have to keep listening every night to make sure he stays asleep in bed and doesn’t come in to me or more importantly my sibling. I don’t hope he’s in hell if I’m the only instance of this happening, but I hope he isn’t in heaven or a good place. He doesn’t deserve it after the anguish he made me endure.
"Would your first instinct be having your child arrested?"
First of all, yes.
Second of all, if my possible future child hurt children, that's not my child anymore. I see crimes against children and animals the worst that can be committed, especially something as horrible as sexual crimes.
I hate to say it but do you know that?
Emotional bonds are a bitch
Most people on the internet are typically socially isolated....when a desperate person has their basic social needs met things get weird and "wacky"
This shit doesn't surprise me at all, like the video not you I don't know anything
Even still, the pain that realizing a family member would do such monstrous actions, cope would happen...anyway the psyche wants to
The fact that Jim Bob and Michelle weren't brought up on charges is amazing to me. Child neglect,child endangerment, etc. Just utterly disgusting. This family has always creeped me out. They are disgusting people who dare to call themselves Christians. They are definitely not
Then not only that but they used the blanket technique where they put a baby on a blanket and slap it with a ruler when it tries to crawl off. That’s sick. I understand they use corporal punishment (a rod and who knows what that means). My parents have used belts, paddles and wooden spoons on me but it was far from abuse. They didn’t beat me with a rod. That is creepy. No one sexually abused anyone in my family and I’m pretty sure my dad and grandpa’s would kill anyone who tried.
My parents believe in God but our family didn’t focus on that and my sisters are allowed to wear whatever they want and my brothers and I can wear shorts.
I mean, this family was/is very very odd and they should be investigated by child protective service.
User-ie, sounds like you were abused.
Thays because they were most likley good friends with tje cops. They tend to do that
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 ….are you talking to me? No, I’m not abused.
@@WyattRyeSway being hit as a child for acting like a child with belts and other objects does count as abuse, it's why they don't do it in schools anymore. You wouldn't hit an adult for behavior you saw as bad when you can explain what was wrong, so why would you hit a child
I just love how Jim Bob just gave up using a rubber. Like, they had a bad experience with pills and instead of not using pills anymore, they just swore off EVERYTHING contraception. Like yeah, the most sensible choice, definitely.
I bet if HE was the one who had to carry the babies for 9 months and birth them, he'd have been perfectly happy to continue using contraception.
He's a true American hero, you guys just don't understand. Your cat rapists.
He was being selfish. Condoms don’t feel as good. How Christian of him
He could've just snip them poms poms off. Safer that way rather than making the wife take contraceptives that are dangerous for her and baby.
Or pull out… a better chance of not getting her pregnant rather than not do anything at all.
“So he was a child preying on a child”
Oh right that makes sense and makes it so much better, sure.
Truth is, I know a lot of Muslims who don’t “date” but “court” and dress modestly. I also know these Muslims to be good people and empathetic to many, as I know there are Muslims who use holy text to excuse disrespectful behavior to women, the LGBT, poor people, etc. The Duggar parents and Josh, and those that tried to cover up this scandal, are evil people with or without Christianity. I pray that those victimized by Josh are at peace and healing, what they went through was not okay, and it isn’t their fault ❤ coming from a Muslim
This was worded so well! W take.
❤ From a Christian
my ex husband worked in 4 muslim country, little girls married to 60 year old men, husbands stone wives to death on the weekends, i also knew muslims, wives HAVE NO RIGHTS.
Prophet married aisha when she was like 8....dude who built the Taj mahal married his own daughter cause she looked just like her mother who passed away...Bacha boys have private intimate party meetings with groups of Muslim men and when they get to old they're then discarded..and to them 19 is too old......Muslims ain't no better...not at all.
@@shanesmith906 The guy who built the Taj Mahal didn't marry his daughter. He made her his 2nd in command at Court after his wife died.
Everything else, sure.
I get so mad at how dismissive the duggars are by saying “they’re so young they don’t understand/know”. I was sexually abused as a very young child and I assure, even though I didn’t really understand what was happening, I knew something wasn’t right and I didn’t feel comfortable. Luckily my parents believed me but I still have so much trauma and issues from that abuse and it really affects different aspects of your life. I was diagnosed with depression and anxiety, and I didn’t decide to do therapy until I was an adult and it was such a godsend
Exactly!
And if they weren't so hideously against basic sex Ed, they would have known ..
I am with you. I was sexulized at a very young age and the trauma and guilt will not be relieved no matter how many therapists telling me the pain will go away if I just forgive myself.
Peace be with you.
I agree. I was 7 the first time that happened to me and I knew it wasn't right!
I agree with you, M T A! The fact is is that for sexual abuse survivors like myself, not only does trauma never truly cease, but an attitude of 'boys-will-be-boys' dismissiveness is just as toxic for those afflicted as the actual trauma itself!
The second the title “Daisy’s Destruction” was mentioned, my jaw genuinely dropped. I haven’t seen the video (nor do I ever wish to see it), but by description alone, my heart stops beating. Only a heartless and sickening person would want to see it to gain gratification out of it.
Josh does not deserve 12 years in prison, he deserve a an entire lifetime. A sickening man like that does not change, they created new methods to not get caught.
What’s even more sickening to think about is that video was “exclusive”. For years, even on the deep and dark web, it was viewed as an urban legend of what could be out there on the internet.
Very few people actually viewed it in full. Meaning Josh more than likely purchased it or traded other videos/files for it, meaning he had exclusive access to some really extremely messed up stuff to even be able to get his hands on daisys destruction in it’s entirety. It also means he more than likely had a lot of really deep connections, which could also explain why he got so little time. He could’ve given up information on bigger players (like people who produce it).
And the investigators would know it was the actual daisys destruction in full, because in cases like this, even if it’s a well known piece of abuse material that’s been reviewed thousands of times for other cases, the investigators have to review every piece of media multiple times and manually in order to be able to testify and explain it in court to a jury.
I am suddenly very concerned for his kids……
@@dysmissme7343 honestly we should be. Who is to say he didn’t do something to his kids?
But at the same time, it might not be a big worry for it to happen now. He is going to be literally monitored with his own children even after he is released from prison. He will never be able to be alone even with his own children, let alone any child out side his family. And once he’s released, he will more than likely have no access to the internet.
@@artistvsworld419 Now connect the dots to what you hear constantly from conservative media and hardcore Republicans: there's an evil network of p*d*philes preying on children. That's actually true--it's the church, with help from law enforcement and certain politicians (like Matt Gaetz). So there really is an evil network of sin and suffering that preys on little kids. But it isn't the gays and the Democrats--and it's coming from the conservatives, the Christians. NOT the left. But that's not what the media screams about, is it?
Who circulates that sick content? Republicans. Conservatives. Christians. That's who has the content, that's who enjoys the content, that's who spreads the content. I wish we lefties would be stronger and face up to this fact, but we won't for some reason.
I agree completely. Nobody who would 👋🏻🍆 while he watches babies being tortured needs to be in public EVER.
12 years is absolutely TOO soft of a punishment. He shouldn’t ever step foot out of prison again.
Why didn't any interviewers ever ask them why their son's discomfort is more important to them than their daughter's "purity"? (Notice how they never refer to the victims as their daughters? It's always "the child".)
Oh, by the way, did you notice how they say no tattoos, no piercings, etc., because the bible says no - but the men STILL SHAVE? This is another condemnation just as strong as the one against tattoos, piercings, shellfish, wearing cloth made from mixed threads (no cotton/poly blend!). But somehow it's okay to violate one religious law but not another. Funny how these people think they can dictate what their god wants and doesn't want even to the point of openly DEFYING what he supposedly said he wanted, innit?
As much as I hate it myself, a lot of these interviewers have to treat these sick bastards with kid gloves to get anything out of them at all. These types are all narcissists with victim complexes, and they'll never admit to what they did unless you play into those complexes.
both of my parents came from quiverfull families of 10 & 12 respectively. there’s an inherent neglect that comes from having so many children & expecting them to parent their siblings. my parents are very much just now finding themselves & their interests because they didn’t have a childhood. thankfully they killed the cycle & i’m an only child, but it truly fucked them up to be one of so many that they never felt loved by their parents.
I'm proud that your parents stopped that cycle.
my mum has 9 kids yeah, but we are all spaced out enough that by the time my younger sibling was born (the 9th), my oldest sister already had had her own kid a year before. This is the only way in which large families can be not neglectful tbh, having kids in such close proximity in age is inherently neglectful
There should be nothing wrong with not having kids, and if you do, taking it one at a time to see how you can handle. There is too much pressure for people to a) have children in the first place and b) to then give the first child a sibling afterwards. People need to stop asking and pressuring for that.
truly hope ur parents continue to heal and find their joy
Let me guess, your parents are probably seen as the weird ones in their families because they have just one child? I hope that's not the case but we know what people like the Duggars would think if one of their sons or daughters had no interest in producing children like farm animals ...
Even though Jana being filmed while Josie having a seizure is insanely traumatic, the fact they were filming may have saved Josie's life. Legally, there has to be EMTs on filming sets and they HAVE to be close by in case something happens. So TLC being there that day was a blessing in disguise... in a very exploitative way.
The show must go on
Ironicly the Dougars who are so anti union have unions to thank for having EMTs on the set.
Seizures aren't typically life threatening unless you are withdrawing from ETOH. Ive seen hundreds of seizures and they are terrifying but Ive seen one where the patient actually turned blue and would have died had they not been in the ER. She could have choked on her vomit though.
What's with the trollish avatar? No, having exploiters in the house did not save josie. Her seizure would not have killed her.
@@crazycatlady8285 what is ETOH? Not all of us know.
The thing that kills me about some of the excuses for Josh’s behavior and actions are how many of these could have been avoided if they could’ve just been taught about consent in all its forms from a young age, and updated this as they grew older. But between their conservative “values” and how many kids were being popped out to manage, that was never going to properly happen. Hell, maybe had they had less kids, and ability to actually focus on and care for them, maybe Josh could’ve gotten help for any potential harmful urges and prevented this from happening.
Alas, we do not live in this timeline and he was enabled by that monstrous father and those monstrous church elders. I hope they all rot in hell.
People that do what he did should never get out of prison.
I was one of those kids who parented my younger brother (and parents...they were mentally ill). I feel bad for those kids who have to parent their siblings since it sucked having to put others needs before yourself
Been there. I'm sorry you went through the same.
well just dont, be selfish and fuck them lol
same i was a little kid parenting 3 toddlers and 1 newborn. im almost 20 now and still doing it. its hard and i cant imagine having 19 siblings
The body remembers what the mind doesn’t. I was sexually abused by my maternal grandfather when I was about 18 months old. I didn’t *know* it had happened until I was told about it, but I just felt “off”.
It’s so hard to describe, but then finding out something so terrible happened to me that I couldn’t even remember…that was a trauma in and of itself.
You like cats?
body remembers trauma so well it’s scary
I'm sorry to hear that, I hope you've gotten support since then
@@gogo_8807im borderline about to vomit. I had my own sexual abuse to the extreme by a family member… and you bringing that up is 100% right
That just gave me chills.
I was sexually harassed by an adult man when I was about fifteen. I buried it so hard that I basically forgot about it entirely but certain things men said to me made me queasy. I finally remembered it years later and felt sick
I can’t even imagine what that was like for you. I’m so sorry about what happened to you. I really hope you have the support you need
It is so unfair to rob kids of their childhood by making them spending all their time babysitting siblings. No wonder they want to marry young, they just want to get out of the house.
I knew a Quiverfull family, the oldest kids couldn't wait to move on. They had no real education, as they spent all their time taking care of kids, so getting married was the best way to exit.
They were incredibly irresponsible for doing what they did. Kids raising kids. So sad. Not to mention failing to protect their daughters and downplaying Josh molesting his sisters.
Im not a Christian, or religious by any means, let alone Mormon
But it pains me to know how the Duggar girls feel. I raised my little brother, who's only nineteen months my junior. We had mentally defect parents with an holier-than-thou attitudes. And Im a victim of csa.
It pains me to have a father/child dynamic with my barely little brother. It pains me to be blamed, tossed around and b€@t down by my parents because of how self righteous they are.
And it will haunt me about how my csa was handled. It blew up enormously in my face. My assailant was dragged before me crying and begging for mercy as her father yelled if I wanted him to hurt her. And my parents ignored and blamed me for what happened. Three years, and a lifetime of innocence gone. I was told I didn't fight hard enough, I should've said no louder. And worst of all, I was told it didn't matter because I'd forget.
And that was correct, my mother was right, I did forget. But I remembered. At seventeen it hit me like a truck. The night terrors, the ptsd. It all came at once. The moment I was safe, healthy and happy enough to bear that horror, my brain unflipped the forget switch.
Those poor duggar women deserve nothing but love, warmth and comfort. They always will
The Duggars aren't Mormon they belong to the Quiverfull cult
That's awful. I hope you're in a much safer place now and are getting the help you need to deal with that trauma. I can't imagine.
But just as a note, they're Baptist, not Mormon.
I root so hard for the Duggar girls to leave this abusive shitshow and be their own people.
The Duggars aren't Mormon. Although it's easy to see why you'd make that mistake, as Mormons are the ones known for cult-like large families that repress abuse.
The minimizing of child on child sexual abuse is so baffling to me. It can be JUST as damaging as sexual abuse from an adult.
Especially because the child committing it can be corrected if caught and punished early on. They saw their son ruining his own life alongside his victims and did NOTHING about it.
My parents sheltered me and it still happened to me by on other child… 3 times.
@@colbaltmind5696 And the audacity they had to make it seem like it was no big deal and people were "attacking" their family. They can keep acting like they did something about the behavior but they really didn't.
@@mvskyeseo they didn't because they want to use their "religion" as an excuse to why they are terrible people who do nothing right because they want to fill their egos and selfish wants. 🙄 they're ironically the first kinds of people Jesus wouldn't want in heaven alongside his son and others like him
@@colbaltmind5696 yep, they coulda done shit properly, made sure hw faced some real punishment for his actions and then got him some real counseling and therapy to help try and reform him. But instead they sent him to some religous mentor shit that dont help at all, especially in cases like this where the dude was showing clear signs of mental issues that would require trained professionals to address.
That thumbnail of Michelle is just as frightening as a monster from Silent Hill 😂
Bizarre. Parents didn't do their son and other children any favors.