TOP 5 3V MUSTANG (BOLT ON ENGINE MODS) DYNO TEST BEFORE AFTER 2005 to 2010 4.6L GT Part Guide PART 2
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Last year I released a detailed video of the 3V parts I suggest. Today you see them in action. We installed them on a stock 3V and you will see a stock dyno vs with the mods. 93 octane and manual transmission!
WATCH THE TOP 5 PART VIDEO! I GO INTO DETAIL ON HOW EACH PART WORKS. • TOP 5 3V MUSTANG (BOLT...
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JLT Series 3 Intake with SCT Tuner www.brenspeed....
Pypes Headers www.brenspeed....
Detroit Rocker Cams www.brenspeed....
FRPP Intake Manifold & Throttle body www.brenspeed....
Steeda Underdrive Pulleys www.brenspeed....
Thanks for watching!!! 574.594.9559 and www.brenspeed.com and watch that original video as well!
Thank you for keeping the 3V love alive! I look forward to 3V Wednesday every week. I'm saving up to do these exact mods to my '07 GT. Can't wait. :)
Awesome!
_Just coyote swap it and be done with it lmao not as expensive as people make it seem._
@@DoctorRickSanchez at least 10 grand for swap?
@@brandonrickbornponyexpress6574 _A gen 2 coyote with the parts k member, engine wire harness etc is under 8k._
thats the cheapest I can find an engine and trans dropout…
I have the same exact mods on my 06 GT except I don’t have the intake manifold because I didn’t want to lose the CMCV. It made 360 whp/ 323 wtrq on a Mustang dyno. Plenty of power for the street.
Awesome!
Yo bro what’s your Instagram just bought a 06 gt
Blowers and turbos have their place, but I love a powerful NA car!!!
Thanks for the comment
That’s great HP for the street in a manual car.
Great video
THANK YOU
Nice numbers, I have a similar setup but with kooks LT and hotrod cams only thing different and making 352rwhp / 322 tq
Nice!
Does the throttle body make any difference? Also pros and cons of charge deletes vs frpp intake? Thanks for the video. Love your channel!
Personally I’m going to replace my throttle body when I get a new air intake. It’s not a game changer by itself but those two parts with each other should make a difference
Thank you so much for all of these super cool 3V videos!
Glad you like them!
Love the channel. I see how you opened up the power to 6700 RPM. Are there any concerns (even longevity) in doing this on stock heads? Just curious and thanks again for all that you do!
Not that I have seen and been hitting that RPM since 2005 on these.
I have a different cam and tuner but ive put 84k miles on my setup with no issues its my daily driver.
You can’t go wrong either way. I had a bolt on NA before switching to Throwback. I have enjoyed it both ways.
AWESOME
How about, How to Supercharge a 4.6 3v F-150
Great video, as always
Thanks for watching!
Shoot i mean def an increase from stock but yeah forced induction is the way to see some serious jump in power 😮💨😮💨
Thanks for watching!
That's awesome power gains for a 3v NA. Love 3v Thursdays🙂! . I have an electricial company. I can hook u up with a Generator. If u are looking for one. Thanks for the content Brent!
Thanks for the info!
I have a 2006 mustang GT making 506 hp rear wheel, with a whipple sc with the pulleys and 10 lb boost and it handles it very well,lam still driving it .😎
Very nice!
How many miles boosted?
Thanks for this video and you job , i love 3v s 197 first generation 💓 🔥
No problem!
Good numbers, how much power would you get with those same mods running on 91, im planning on buying a sct w a tune from you guys since I cant find anyone that works and has knowledge on 3v mustangs like you guys do here in California everyone specializes in coyotes now a days... i want to have an idea lol before i put all my parts on
You might be down 10 on 91. Maybe a bit less.
Love the N/A 3 valve mustang videos! I got Detroit Rocker Cams my self and they do sound killer!💪🏽
Yep love the LOPE
How much horsepower would It make retaining the stock throttle body/intake manifold with delete plates and stock manifolds with BBK # 1770 - 2 3/4" catted X mid pipe? I have a 2005 manual with FRPP aluminum driveshaft and 4.10s. Thanks!
Do you need a tune when installing FBO’s? Like a tuner , like a BAMA or would you need a custom dyno tune to get it running
We have e-mail tunes for pretty much every single bolt on, no dyno needed. Here is al link. www.brenspeed.com/05-08-mustang-programmers.html
Help please! I have a strut brace but would love to have that intake manifold put on… what should I do anyone?
If it’s the ford racing manifold you want you have to get the ford racing brace
What clutch kit do u recommend for a stock 2006 mustang gt? Thats not a stiff pedal.
If you want a very light pedal we almost 100% of the time use Mcleod RST twin disk. Because its a twin disk the pedal is super light. Also in the future if you start doing mods it will support them. That is the only clutch I run in my own vehicles also. www.brenspeed.com/0510rst.html
@@BrenspeedEngineering thank u. I really appreciate it.
@Brenspeed what would be the best single disc complete kit. With a close to stock pedal feel for stock mustang gt?
That's over 3k i think id save up a little more and get a blower if i planned to drop good money at one time but i suppose if you got the mods over time it would make more sense and he fun.
Gotta be careful with 3vs they don’t handle but so much boost
@dburnslay9999 check out this video link on boost studio.ua-cam.com/users/videooe-TR6JKtvo/edit
@Dburnslay 999 they handle it fine as long as you don't push them too far. A setup like this could do 500 to the tires safely on 93 octane with a blower on it especially if it's a more efficient modern blower like a nice 2.3 tvs or something.
@@midnight347 yea that’s true it’s just very scary to do in my opinion I’m building a forged and stroked 3v motor to go in a new edge body rn so it will handle 6-700 whp
@dburnslay9999 they can handle 500 reliability. It's torque you gotta watch 460 rw max. That is plenty for the street .
Thank you, very interesting engine. How much more power could that setup gain from head porting? That engine needs to be kept alive just for tge awesome sound.
Unless you go to a very large camshaft you will not see big gains with porting. So if somebody wants to use porting we suggest something big like at least the Comp 127500 series or larger. Those are designed for top end gains with porting.
For a 3v making 350 to the wheels na is actually pretty impressive
Thanks for commenting!
How did you get the oil separator to fit on the driver side with the Ford Racing intake manifold?
You just shorten the plastic tube a bit. No big deal.
Usually with cams you see a lot of high end, but here you see so much torque everywhere low and up high! Of course power at 6.7k is a screamer now.
Yes we spent a lot of time and revisions on those cams to get to the point where you are good down low and up and high. Thanks!
Honestly this is the power it should have had from stock form, at least enough to put down 300 to the wheels.
Thats why Ford switched to Coyote.
I have a 2010 mustang gt. I know how they have an upgraded cold intake. I want to get an Airaid Race MXP series. Will that still make a difference?
Not much without a tune I would do JLT 3 and tune.
What about a recommended clutch, drive shaft and rear end gear upgrade?
This Clutch www.brenspeed.com/0510rst.html
This Shaft www.brenspeed.com/m-4602-mgta.html
This Rear End Build www.brenspeed.com/bren8-8package.html
So what prevents the stock motor from making power past 5200rpms? restrictive exhaust/intake/cam profile?
Stock they tend to flatten out above that or start to drop some. Still pulls good but sort of tapped out. That is due to cam profile and small induction... not so much the stock exhaust manifolds but they do play a small role in that.
Man I wish my coyote would lope like that. Not complaining cause it sounds great!
Yah sounds sweet
Can these mods be done on a 2010 F150 4.6 3v
If it is a 3V yes you can use detroit rocker cams as well as a cold air designed for your truck like a K&N or something.
Will a factory auto trans hold with these modifications?
Yes we have not had issues with mods like this on a stock trans.
OK, with 170K on the odometer, are these mods worth it for my stang?
As long as the engine has been taken car of it typically is not a problem.
that car sounds great... with a boosted application (v3 )what would be the best diameter header?
Stock heads and NSR cams 1 5/8. Stroker engine/bigger cams 1 3/4".
Do you have to get a new tune every time you make a change?
Pretty much except for underdrive pulleys.
Would these same mods work on a 3v Explorer?
Yes just not the headers we do not have a header option for that platform. But cams, intake manifold, etc.. we have installed on the explorer.
Why are you not increasing compression ratio of the na engine in usa?
Normally most all motor clients keep the stock engine and do bolt on parts if staying all motor. The only time they dig into the engine is to build it for high boost. Because of that, normally compression does not increased on the 3V for bolt on builds. The cost would be pretty high just to increase compression if the engine does not need rebuilt.
@@BrenspeedEngineering it can be done by shaving the heads and thinner head gaskets. How much compression can stand 3v 4.6?
That is a impressive horsepower gain.
Thanks for watching!
Always enjoy 3V content, that a serious jump in HP and still being NA, very impressive. Maybe you can start
doing 2V tuesday, for the lonely 2V owners. Love the cam lope!
😂😂😂 I suggested 2v Tuesday months ago. That would be more views
No love for the 2v i guess, but i've seen 2v Mustangs doing exactly these numbers with TFS top end n bolt ons.. My longer P71 2v did 309rwhp 321rwtrq with headers, TFS 38cc top end, MHS TFS stage 3 n/a cams n Marty Ochs remote dyno tune..lol
How would top end and low end change with the same mods here but with a stock intake manifold, and delete plates? would low end pick up a little? top end drop off sooner? and if so how much?
I can't say how much exactly because all mods do play a role but I think it would be safe to say delete plates would raise low end just a bit and high end would be a bit less. Basically because the FRPP intake has a different runner length vs having delete plates and that does play a role in where power comes in and falls off. THANKS
@@BrenspeedEngineering yeah that makes sense, I was just curious how common it was for you to do delete plates instead of the FRPP intake on a setup like this. But regardless the power overall is pretty good and I love having top end power to rev it out. And looks to have pretty much a flat torque curve from 3k to redline
What would a good set of heads done to it ?
If you ran CNC ported heads with a much larger cam prob 30 tire.
appreciate the content. We can base against custom fabbed mods we may attempt that are different.
NO PROBLEM
Strange there’s no torque loss with the long tubes and cams.
Why would there be !
@@totljag1 physics, there’s usually always a trade off down low.
Not when you go from 100% stock to all those mods. Yes a couple parts shift the power up but you also are adding several parts that increase the low vs stock.
@@wyattyeary8050 h the difference is without headers do a 100 yard dash with a apple 🍎 in ur mouth with headers no apple 🍏
@@totljag1 😆
What clutch and flywheel did you put on this one?😊👍🙏
Hey Brent getting ready to ditch 18 Focus ST. I have been Looking 2013-2016 Mustang GT’s but came across a supper clean 09 with 30,000 miles(stock) at a good price, under $23,000. I hesitated, considering it because of its age. But after watching this video, I think I will have to give it a test drive!
Sweet sounds like a clean low mile car!
In your opinion, is it worth it for me to run dual regulators on my fuel system I’m doing the full builds forced induction. I want to be able to regulate both banks.100%
👍 👌
For Sure!
Love my 3 valve,
08 manual better than my 2023 coyote, manual.
Thank you for keeping the love alive!!
Thanks!
Went with the Throw back package min 420 at the weels with less farting around with 5 separate mods ! Under my hood for a weekend install and be done ✅ with it !
Awesome!
These are one of the best values you can rip on a little bit. Everybody wants a coyote. to be honest 3v have enough power to have fun on. Truthfully the people that want coyotes probably don't know how to handle that much power.
We build a lot of 800-1000 rwhp coyotes that I assure you hardly get hammered on the street. Crazy for most people.
How much does something like this cost?
Like parts and labor in ur shop?
Parts links are in the description you can simply click on them to see current pricing. If you are serious about coming to Indiana for an install you can get the install price by emailing quote@brenspeed.com thanks!
When y’all installed the TCI high stall torque converter did y’all add a bigger transmission cooler? Also what kind if so? I would appreciate a response thank you.
The OEM trans cooling is not that bad. BUT on anything in the car world cooler is better. You could add most any stand alone trans cooler and it would help. Not really a preference. Most people do not, but some do. And any name brand will work.
Saving for my cams & etc now.
A lot of ppl will tell you it’s not worth it to mod a 3v just buy a coyote. But I can tell you I have an 08 gt premium 5 speed. Full bolt ons from jlt cold air, under drive pulleys, longtubes, cat/muffler delete, twin 60mm gt500 tb, ford racing manifold, 4.10 gears, rattler camshafts and a zex wet kit spraying 125-150 shot. I also have a 2019 gt pp1 10 speed and I still love the 3v. And with all my mods on the bottle it’ll run right there with a fbo e85 10 speed on a drag pack 50-140mph with in a fender. Beats the hell out of scat packs and 5th gen Camaros. I paid $6000 for the 3v almost 3 years ago and I’ve put about $5-6k into it but that’s everything suspension, tune, gauges, drag pack plus all the other I mentioned before. Car runs low 11’s on the bottle with a crappy 1.9-2.0 60ft. And deep into the 12’s on motor. For the $10-12k I have in the car I think it runs pretty good. Sounds awesome I still daily drive it rotating between it and the 10 speed.
@JustA3v Amazing. The thing is, I'm doing it for my 2007 Ford Explorer Sport Trac V8. The up charge on these new midsized trucks is too much.
@@GTfromAG that’s bada$$ never see any 3v trucks modded
Your 3V sounds fun!
When are we going to see a nitrous 3v?
I don't see those come through very often almost everybody goes boost anymore.
Brent, need your advice. I HAD an 06 3valav. Western Motor Sports Ram Air nestled under the hood directly behind the open inlets on Cervini Ram Air 4 Hood. New injectors, plugs, BBK shorty headers, MBPR axle backs. Tremec 5 speed and a Dyno tune - 330 RWHP ....oh and 4.10 gears with Hi-Po rear lower control arms and 315/35/17's MT Street comps. Ran it one time and with sick wheel spin still ran 13.0@105mph. It was a BLAST to drive and seldom if ever lost against anything on the street. It was was like being shot out of a cannon. Anyway some jerk pulled out into oncoming traffic and totalled it on Jan 18 2024. I found a 2011 GT with stock Coyote and 92,000 original miles. I have to say I wasn't all that impressed....the 3 valve FELT like it would have destroyed the stock Coyote. Long story short , before I could begin my build it over heated and a week later developed a KNOCK. Should I unload this Piece of Shit , we buy any car quoted me 10,995, and just go back to a tried and true 4.6 3 valve. Or should I try to fix this problem and soldier on? Nibiru317@gmail.com. ua-cam.com/video/aNZLaZQVXPM/v-deo.html
If you love 3V cars they are fun to mod so stick with them. The coyote is easier down the road to make more power than a 3V. For me its not all about the max power its more about enjoying what I have.
@@BrenspeedEngineering Thanks.
Thank You
AND thank you for watching!
What is the price
Check description, it gives links and info
nice wheels! does your shop sell those?
So does the 62mm BBK throttle body give any ho gains?
Not really on a stock car but it does help with cams and opened up induction.
Thanks Brent... With gas going up a lot up here in Canada, I am rethinking mods to avoid 25% - 30% increase in fuel costs going from regular 86 or 87 octane to 91 or 93 octane. It would be good to know if a larger throttle body, cold air intake, exhaust (are long tubes more fuel efficient than shorty's?), would maintain or improve fuel efficiency for my daily driver. Please let me know. Take care and all the best!
All those mods can be used with 87 octane. Long tubes are always better than a shorty header even on 87. I do not think MPG would be any different with a long tube vs. shorty and a more efficient engine often gets better MPG. Thanks for watching!
@@BrenspeedEngineering Thanks tons, this is what I thought - which I learned from you guys. Much appreciated and keep up the great videos! I will continue to watch your channel, particularly about 3 valves. All the best to all of you guys from Canada!
Im trying to get my 1995 grand marquis to do the same with an 01 swap
Sounds like a cool build
Would the ford racing cams be just as good as the Detroit rockers?
They have a lope, but do not make as much low end as the rockers. Thanks for watching!
How reliable are these mods compared to a blower , what would be more reliable for longevity ?
My opinion is both are very reliable. We do both a lot. I do not see an issue with one over the other. A blower of course makes more power but both are reliable.
Is it possible to get 400 on the wheels naturally aspirated?
Tough. Typically not on stock compression on a dynojet rated SAE. 350+ rear dynojet SAE is really good.
I have a 2007 Shelby gt350 4.6 3 valve with a vortech super charger,I am trying to install ford racing intake,but the thermostat housing is got me stuck,I watched your video about moding and did it but I can't turn the housing over the alternator bracket to keep hose off the pulley of the head unit..your bracket looked different is that a aftermarket bracket? I think mines the stock alternator bracket.. do you have a part number for it?
Assuming you have the normal vortech kit we just do what is in this video. You need to remove the spacer like in the video then clock it. Maybe yours has something different than normal not sure but here is the link. ua-cam.com/video/yc9SNam2zZ8/v-deo.html
@@BrenspeedEngineering yes sir I watched that video and after replying I was looking at the car and what you didn't show in the video is the black alternator bracket that bolts to the piece your using in the demonstration..I actually had to cut the black bracket where the long bolt goes,I cut half of the hole out to be able to clear the head unit..
How do these upgrades affect mpg? Decreases, remains the same, increases? Considering it will be daily driven in a city
Typically no change if you can keep your foot out of it. Some even report improved MPG.
@@BrenspeedEngineering thank you
Where can I get my 3v Dyno tuned in Texas??
I suggest googling that
Have you ever done mods like this on a Sport Trac with the 4.6 3 valve?
Yes many of the mods will work including the cams.
@@BrenspeedEngineering I figured, exhaust, intake, and cams would all be viable.
Any reason the intake & throttle body couldn't be used?
3 valve with SC always sound so good 👍
It does!
So wanting some extra power out of my 05 GT, would these mods here be better in the long run or just go with the Brenspeed Paxton 1200SL Throwback kit? Will be installing everything myself, and already have the JLT Series 3 on my car. Car is a fair weather daily too so driveability is one of my concerns also.
The parts price are very close buying every single bolt on parts or getting a non HO throwback kit. Of course all motor may be cheaper if you are doing the work yourself but if you are paying anybody to install everything the prices are almost identical and you get way more power with the paxton.
@@BrenspeedEngineering Absolutely.. When paying labor, ouch.. No labor, yippy..lol My TFS top end was $3k in labor alone, that included diff service too tho..
BONE STOCK!!! 😮 they still exist…? Basically the same setup except I’m running Ford Hot-Rod cams with Kooks long tubes with stock axles through a 3:73 and aluminum driveshaft. Thanks for the numbers I can expect after you update my tune! I also just scored a NOS Ford Racing head, looking for the passenger side now.. you will have to fly to Texas soon Brent!
Yah amazing how many stock cars come in here.
Just found out the Texas shop isn’t around anymore.. I’ll be out In Valpo later this summer. I’ll have to swing by the shop, strap her down and get the digits on the dyno!
Whats your opinion on doing this and the getting a pro charger or super charger
Go with pro charger man, N/A is a lot more expensive and you will have a lot less power, I went NA and I could have just put a pro charger and have 150 more hp.
Can you make it California legal?
Sorry pretty much none of that is CA legal.
Idk if the intake manifold and throttle bodies are really worth it i have a similar setup intake,cams, and headers and made 349 this car only makes 4 more hp eith throttle body plus intake manifold
I would not suggest trying to compare two different cars and dyno numbers. You might like this video link that explains the variables. THANKS FOR WATCHING! ua-cam.com/video/IklrZe20_Ao/v-deo.html
You can't compare different dynos and different days everyone knows this. There is too much of a variance.
@@midnight347 same car, same dyno, different day should be damn close right?
@@jackjack4412 Yes, if it's the same car, not a similar make n model.. Dyno computer settings have to do too, so ask before running it..
Can somebody explain to me what the certain appeal is here? No hate and if this is what you enjoy go for it and enjoy your build. Im just struggling to understand the appeal, a 15-19 year old car for 10-13k with probably very high miles so the expensive motor issues will soon come, and then on top of that 3-4k to go fbo and only to make these numbers? I just dont think i could do that when there are modern vehicles with smaller displacement that are almost faster stock and wouldnt take as much money to raise whp numbers to match but probably exceed this. Is it just for the v8 noises? And probably 1100-1400 if you want a modern interior. Again no hate and if this is what you enjoy go for it, but i think bang for your buck its just not a great decision. Im not much of a mustang guy anyway but man those 5.0’s are nice especially when paired with that 10speed. I just dont think the 3v’s were a good time for mustangs.
Some people just love the style of the 05-09. To many that look is more important than having a coyote.
We're old and stuck in our ways lol
I just like older cars and motorcycles lol, plus the aftermarket world is always really helpful with forums and facebook groups at your disposal
Some cars are just fun to drive. Think a guy driving around in 1969 mustang in 1999 was worried about his 0-60 compared to that years model probably not but the 05 mustang started a new generations of muscle car by bringing back the retro look. Everyone else followed suit soon after from dodge to Chevy etc.... I'm looking to drive around and throw my head back a little while shifting myself. I'm not looking to measure my wallet or my dick at the stoplight by showing off, not how good I am at anything but by how much I can overspend for something I can't and probably wouldn't use 99.9%of the time. I doubt half those fools even install themselves. They hire someone to. Not sure where your pride comes from haha. I'm just looking to have a little fun , listen to some exhaust pops under a bridge and try not to be a fool and kill myself....
The 3v is a great entry vehicle to get into the world of cars. I don’t think anyone would choose this platform as a major end all go all out kinda build. But if you’re wanting a cheap car that sounds great, fun on the street, and is easy to work on, it’s a great buy.
Hi, would this kit work for my 06 4.6 2v ?
The 3V parts do not fit a 2V if you are talking crown vic or something like that.
@@BrenspeedEngineering I am talking about my 2006 4.6 2v lincoln town car
WHAT RIMS ARE THOSE????
Sorry thats an older video not sure what wheels were on this car they were on it when it arrived.
awesome setup...what rims are those?
Center caps say Roush but can't say if they are actually older Roush wheels or a reproduction copy.
I should have gone Procharger.
Thanks for watching!
Procharger is gonna cost more money lol. Also you can do mods like this incrementally not everyone has a ton of money to drop on boost. You could also boost it later with these mods and make a reliable 500 rwhp on 93 you can't do that with boost on a stock long block and manifolds. You could run over 500 wheel with this setup and a centrifugal.
All mods that affect power in the video:
Ford racing manifold
(Should rev it out to 7k rpm otherwise this manifold hurts gains)
Intake
Throttle body
Stage 1 cams nsr
Pypes long tubes headers
Highflow cats
Underdrive pullies
Aluminum drive shaft
And obvsly a tune on 93 octane
7K maybe with a bit bigger cam. The NSR are normally done at about 6800. Thanks for watching!
I love my 3V! Just did a cam swap😊
Awesome!
How much power can a stock automatic handle? Already have similar mods the car your video and I’m considering adding boost
There is not really a rating on that. BUT most auto cars with stock engine just get a supercharger without issue. The hardest thing on an auto 3V is cruising in 5th and doing kick downs where it drops into 2nd. Upshifts are not the problem. It is just constant wide open big power downshifts that hurts it as it is almost like a neutral drop. So respect it... manually pull it down if you are on a highway and want to do kicks.
@@BrenspeedEngineering Hello Brent. Thanks for a ton of priceless info in your awesome videos! I've seen you still can find TCI ratchet style shifters for 5R55S transmission. How do you think from your experience, will it may help prolonging transmission's life? I mean you can manually downshift with it without using kick down.
Lol imagine spending 6k on mods for 90hp in a 3v mustang😂
Thats the 3V world
Imagine spending $24-42k on a Coyote Mustang for 350-380rwhp, hahaha!! Modding any car costs chunks of mula.. i spent $5k on my 2v n gained 60rwhp.. Pay to play!!
Oh damn he might be able to keep up with a stock civic now
Vroom
gud won lol
That’s unbelievable 😮, after I’m done with my 2v I really wanna get a 3v 👌🏻
Awesome thanks for watching