It got Knock off, Trailblaze, Solar Blade, Zen Headbutt, Body Press, Grassy Glide, Encore and Endeavor in the DLC now. Won't mend it's stats but movepool-Wise it's much, much better now. It has Swords Dance already, maybe it's not as garbage in lower tiers now.
After years of ridicule, Meganium just needs a broken Hidden Ability or Signature move that turns things around for it. There's still a lot of broken Pokemon after 9 generations. I wouldn't mind them buffing Meganium to an extreme extent. Mons like Pidgeot and Meganium look so cool but are so insanely average that it's almost disheartening.
Typhlosion is an incredible cleaner who gets to spam Eruption and even got a new Hisuian form Feraligatr presses Swords Dance once and destroys everything with Sheer Force Liquidation, second only to Crawdaunt as a physical Water destroyer And Meganium… was on the box art of New Pokémon Snap
@@bomoose tô make the game harder right? I love the guy but it's matchs up into the major fights is by far the worst match up spread a starter has had in any main line pokemon game. Grass is so bad in gen 2 it is just sad
Infernape (and then Speed Boost) was basically Game Freak going "Man, we should have given Blaziken a higher speed". I still don't know what they were thinking with Emboar. Everybody was so shocked when we found out about it.
I don't. So many people thought it was an insta win PKMN they didn't knew how to use it properly and barely did any damage despite being an "Uber" threat.
@@iss2075The fire-fighting starters were almost certainly about the first gyms always being Rock type. Charmander was given metal claw in FR/LG for a similar reason. And for Gen V specifically, I would wager a lot of money that the team designing the pokemon were assuming the rock gym when Emboar was designed.
I didn’t know he was that good until this video! I knew it was in Ubers but damn! I don’t even have a switch to play gen 9 on and Dirge is becoming one of my favourite starters; killer design both looks and mechanics!
Incineroar in singles: Normal Pokémon in NU, even moved up to PU. Incineroar in doubles: Has won every format they’ve been allowed in, insane usage numbers. Arguably the best VGC Pokémon ever. Incineroar is like the US military of doubles
The other week I was imagining if Hyper Beam retained its Gen 1 mechanics and as a result, the elemental variants exclusive to the starters would have been scary competitive options. There's a hint of that alternate timeline in Eruption Typhlosion.
@@jjgriffiniv1307 The problem is that it’s a mega. Mega Sceptile would be incredible if it could use held items and learn Draco Meteor but it unfortunately can’t
And Hisui-Eye gets the upperhand in the lower tiers against Krook, Wo-Chien, and, uh, Tyranitar, which even gets Knock Off now. 😅 (If you think I'm fucking about on this one, just look at the OU list. Great Tusk, IVal, Ting-Lu and friends with zero Pursuit. He's become shockingly adept at inviting the opponent to win, so now he's a feather in the cap of E-tiers among E-tiers. :/)
@@insertnamehere658 Agren would end up banned instead of just staying in OU mate, since iirc reg gren is mostly used as a cleaner on rain. Agren can use rain cleaner sets but in Gen 9 if it wanted to it could SD Tera electric and smoke its usual checks. People forget this is as strong as Lando T. Reg gren can't pull that off even with battle bond.
seeing clips from various gens back to back really highlights how much better the sprites of g4 and g5 were than the 3d stuff we've been stuck with ever since.
Mudkip was the Pokemon I picked in the my first Pokemon game (Ruby Version). I’m glad to see Swampert placed high on the list. I’ve always loved how reliable it is.
Poor Meganium. It looks like they at least gave it Body Press as something interesting but as far as I can tell so far, the only way it can raise its defense is with Curse or an uncommon random boost from Ancient Power.
Encore is another funny move it got. That plus Tera Fighting Body Press make it a (really bad) check to Kingambit. I wish my baby had gotten a new HA as well but it didn’t.
Eviolite Bayleef is surprisingly tanky. With the 50% boost it has 120 base in both defences and it has an okay base 60hp. It can stall pretty well with leech seed, protect and synthesis. Plus you can catch alot of super effective hits off guard now with tera rock.
That's why it's a battle tower. You're allowed to use degenerate stuff that smogon ban ages ago. But then again, you're also up against a CPU that knows which move you click, and luck is always on their side.
@@shawnli4746 +6 252 SpA Latios Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Meganium: 377-444 (103.5 - 121.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO It only needs to hit once which will come . It’s only a matter of time and yea it’s not like meganium can break Latios subs
Honest to God, I just saw that Meganium didn't get any significant boost in Indigo disk and I am SO mad about it. Like, really? How is it possible that Gamefreak keeps on mistreating it? Gosh, GF better put their sh¨t together.
But wait! It got…. Uh… hmmm… knockoff, surely that’s a rare move that not over a hundred mons better than meganium learn. (Clueless) Oh oh oh ! I got you! It got body press! Now it can deal with those pesky steel types! Please ignore the fact that it already knows earthquake and that it’s best defense boosting move is… curse…
I know it's not official, but I feel like Mega-Blastoise being banned in Gen 9 NatDex should be mentioned. It's a shame that it gained Shell Smash as it lost its Mega.
It's not just an unofficial tier, it's a make believe meta that only can exist on simulations. Smogon OU singles and even all of the lower unofficial tiers like ZU or UUbers can be replicated in the actual games themselves, you can't do that at all with NatDex, because certain moves no longer exist, Pokemon are missing, AND multiple different generational mechanics are allowed. It's about as real as Almost Any Ability, STABmons, or any of the other OMs that exist on Smogon, which is why it's not worth mentioning when talking strictly official formats.
@@Forged4War206 not really , its basically a meta where all pokemon are allowed including z moves and Megas ofcourse theres a banned list and although tera is an awful mechanic that disrupted the natdex format gen 8 national dex is a competitive tear at the high ladder. If Blastoise can be banned in a meta like that it means that if megas come back once it shell smashes it becomes monster
Swampert had a very significant niche in previous gen as a specially defensive wall that could set p rocks, spread toxic/threaten what it walls, utilise flip turn for momentum, and just spam earthquake or scald, so it was actually quite decent quite recently (nothng game breaking but the niche it fitted was quite significant)
I still to this day, play ruby & Sapphire on my Gameboy SP Swampert is my undisputed favorite starter of all time! I'm soo dedicated to Swampert (even before the physical/special split) that I don't care using an over-leveled mixed attacking starter during playthroughs (hydro pump/surf; ice beam; earthquake; brick break). I even trade every Swampert I've ever played with to another game before restarting my gen 3 games!
@@t.j.helming5534 Mixed Swampert was pretty much the standard in Gens 3 and 4. It usually packed Ice Beam and Earthquake for damage dealing moves while the other 2 slots were for utility (Roar for PHazing and either Stealth Rock or Water STAB for more coverage). Ice Beam despite running off its lower attacking stat was more effective than Ice Punch in Gen 4.
Calling Serperiors movepool "Devilish" was a good callback. For the unaware, Contrary used to be called "Devil's Advocate" prior to BW being released in English.
Primarina is so good in UU for gens 7 and 8 and I hope that continues. Highest special attack AND highest special defense of all starters not counting Eeveelutions
@@Goldenblade14 Rampardos theorem is overstating it considering Primarina has good special bulk and a good defensive typing. Think it's just the speed holding it back.
Well Rampardos Theorem says that "power isn't everything," and it doesn't necessarily specify the issue as poor bulk or typing. Primarina having the Highest starter Special Attack and being considered a C Tier fits the mold imo.@@teddyhaines6613
@@cheyanne2001 if you think that's bad think of VGC. Incineroar just got Helping Hand 😂. I don't know why the thought Meowscarada, Quaquaval or most of all Incineroar needed buffs.
GameFreak: How do we buff Meganium? Sensible employee 1: Give it new moves? GameFreak: Nah. Sensible employee 2: Give it a new ability which compliments its wall status? GameFreak: Nah. Dumbass employee: Make it the mascot for the new Pokemon Snap game and call it a day? GameFreak: BRILLIANT!!!
It did just got 3 new moves recently in S/V Knock Off, Body Press, and Encore It’s HA is still the infamous Leaf Guard, it lost Aromatherapy (deleted) with no Heal Bell to take it’s place, and still no Sleep Powder, Calm Mind, Earth Power, or the new Alluring Voice, not even Pollen Puff
Blaziken has been my favorite pokemon since it's beginning to see it ascend so high competitively has always put a smile on my face if only it was also amazing in VGC
I have the same with greninja. Even with battle bond no longer making it’s base stats mewtwo level. It’s still an insanely good mon, despite that it doesn’t have a niece in the among the highest offensive stat department. It’s still an all around S tier Pokemon.
Chesnaught is my favourite pokemon to find early one in any Rom. Its essentially Swampert but double weak to Flying. Which is generally rare to see in competitive and on difficult game.
Actually im pretty sure the protean/libero change was due to Tera. Like you said Gren had it or 3 gens and they left it alone. Im sure there would have been bugs or terablast would be absurd on them, also if keckleon stays gone that would make sense as a reason. (Not that keckleon was used a lot lol)
It definitely was because it was broken or that they thought it was distracting. Bugs would have been simple to fix, thats really not an issue. This is coming from a dev.
I'm fairly confident because it was Cinderace wrecking stuff in Battle Stadium Singles (BSS). With Bounce, Bulk Up/HJK, Sucker Punch, Pyro Ball, and Gigantamax it could go for a Max Airstream then pick and choose its counters, deftly avoiding any priority with Protean that could dent it.
@@aaajeear8654 All jokes aside, yes, gamefreak is quite adept at making games without bugs, if you dont count graphical errors. When was the last time we had a real significant bug related to the type chart or abilities? They are amazingly rare.
Typhlosion is my favorite starter and one of my favorite pokemon if all time. Its both ferocious but also cuddly. Could you imagine being out in the wilds and juat cuddling with it late at night to go to sleep?
I think the biggest reason they have changed Protean/Libero is the interaction with terastalization. However, I think this change will stay even in future gens.
It'ld be nice if they gave Kelceon a variant of the original version. Being able to swap between types freely makes it really fun. With it's stats keep it from being overwhelming. (Very high sp.def, average hp, defense attack, and low speed) It also gets priority Dark/Ghost/Normal attacks, giving it a lot of fun immunity play.
Yea. If it remained the same in gen 9, Meow would totally outclass the other 2 especially now that it gets triple axel. Its faster than the other 2 or in fact any starter and it hits harder than greninja and also has a broken signature move
Blaziken has been my fave mon since I got introduced to Pokemon, which was with the release of Emerald. It does me so well to see my boy top the list of the tierlist because he was too broken to deal with for like 3 whole gens.
@@Amelia4111 Since Blaziken has a gender ratio of 87.5% male and 12.5% female and I only ever got male Torchics, I am very confident to call him my boy and dont think you should critize this topic to even begin with
i think specs serperior is one of the worse serp sets tbh. sub leech glare leaf storm (you could swap a move for coverage such as hidden power/tera blast). the ability to spread paralysis as a mon that fast + being able to take advantage of paralysis to setup is crazy good. serp isn’t as scary if it’s just clicking leaf storm and, for example, if someone switches in a heatran your stuck with a specs leaf storm instead of being able to snipe it with coverage like hidden power/ tera blast ground or, even better, paralyze it.
@@NasJuiced You make a very good point however Serp's many weaknesses may mean to use at least 2 moves it needs a sash. Sashing it ain't a bad move or anything but it takes away the use of another item. Honestly your opinion is clever and probably better than how I like to use Serp however I like brute force!
@@mangosteak Just because a type is trash offensively, doesn't mean a Pokemon that has that type is. And Grass is probably worse defensively due to its many weaknesses! Its honestly up to you how to play with it and I respect your opinion as that is how Serp is usually played! I just like trying to take mons out quickly before they can set up entry hazards and status conditions.
@@AlectricEelthe idea is more than grass isn't great offensively, so you don't want to lock yourself into it. Using Leaf Storm to get the +2 and using that to break your normal switchins with something like Tera Blast Fire is a lot more effective than being forced out yourself. Alternatively, grabbing a substitute can let you spam Leaf Storm forever and eventually break everything that used to wall you
It already have it infernape just needs a better hidden ability or a boost to iron fist (which is super weak 20%) it should get the same boost as strong jaw The fact that it stayed OU/UU stable for 16 years with even blaze is impressive same goes with swampert in fact most of his sets are not used with iron fist
I was taken aback while watching the video when I noticed Incineroar in the C-Tier. I paused the video and checked the title to see "-Singles", then it all makes sense
My favorite and chosen starters for each gen: Gen 1: Bulbasaur Gen 2: Totodile Gen 3: Treecko Gen 4: Turtwig Gen 5: Snivy Gen 6: Froakie Gen 7: Rowlet Gen 8: Sobble Gen 9: Fuecoco Looking at the list, I think I've picked rather well. I tend towards reptile/amphibian Pokémon, with a bias towards Grass and the resulting choices haven't been bad.
Besides the first two I also have the same favorites (gen 3 to gen 9), but My fav of all starter is by far far far far margin Squirtle (I have a Blastoise tattoo on my back). 2nd gen is Chikorita (but is more by a nostalgic factor than competitive or any other way)
Yeah, I always knew my boy would be in first, like he is supposed to be. But in all seriousness, I think Hisuian Sammurott, Skeliderge and Meowscarada will be seen in A tier next gen, specially the former 2, since I just can’t see Skeliderge losing it’s niche in ubers without a legendary unaware pokemon being released. Ubers is currently way too powerful and it’s in need of an unaware user, and he is just the best one.
It'll lose tera next gen so it wont be nearly as viable as it is now. It has wayy too many common weaknesses for a slow pokemon to be good without tera next gen. Meowscarada got tripple axel and is now actually one of the most used mon on ou according to the usage chart finchinator tweeted
@@what.are.you.doing.stepbro he is not good even with tera. He has just been power crept. But he is still decent, it’s slow but speed boost can fix this, and he will probably have the best history of any starter forever. I just can’t see any starter having 3 generations in ubers. He was even considered good in gen 5, that’s just how goated his run was.
It really goes to show, despite Grass having the reputation of one of the worst offensive typing, their support capabilities and resistances to some key types. Grass serves to be one of the most balanced types (in terms of starters) From my view and counting, using the number of Mons above and below C-Tier (which i consider as the middle ground) - Grass is well-balanced - Fire, even counting regional forms is POWERFUL as well as popular, it helps that many games have a sparce diversity of fire types. - Water while favouring average towards above average. As a whole, to me, it's reliable. Squirtle was my first ever Pokémon, Gatr was my first ever shiny. I tend to lean towards the Water type. -
That’s what makes Meganium extra bad. It manages to be a grass type without all those good grass support moves and good abilities that grass types tend to have. Also grass is frequently a good secondary typing on defensive mons (see ferrothorn or Amoonguss) but Meganium is monotype. Bro never stood a chance. 😢
@@brain_tonicblame power creep and the existance of better Pokémon Just use Tangrowth , it’s just much better than most things Meganium can do Offensive Grass types ; Ferrothorn , Ogerpon-Hearthflame, Waterpon and Rockpon exist now, even Kartana and Mega Venusaur Venusaur nowadays is a lot better since Poison typing helps it with Fairies
@@bryanc1772 it should also be noted that Meganium has access to the Grass staples of Leech Seed, Powders and self-healing as well as dual screens. Then Serperior came along.
@@sebarsht12 It actually only has poison powder, which is a terrible move... meanwhile Venusaur has sleep powder and toxic. Also hundreds of mons have screens, pretty irrelevant to mention. Leech seed is on every defensive grass pretty much, so Meganium isn't really standing out with that either.
Honestly, I'd argue chesnaught deserves to be moved up a tier. It's been a solid uu mon for 2 of 3 gens its been in, while everything else in the same tier was ru or below
Turtwig was my first ever starter, and i can say confidently that the phrase "Shell Smash Torterra" gives me goosebumps. he might not be one of the most ridiculous mons out there but good gods above is he a tanky mf. add shell smash to that and you have a cannonball of a pokemon
I like how you make a lot of pokemon sound strong despite their tiers like with decidueye and emboar. I'm not into competitive so I can't tell how true this is, it just sounds really nice :)
I did have fun mopping the floor with Zacian & Cinderace in doubles. "Oh, you have a bulky water type? Well Libero energy ball should deal with that fine."
I wonder how much this list will change with their full return in Teal Mask/Indigo Disk SV DLC? Sadly it will be quite while since it usually takes several testing and actual tourneys to fully test out a complete list in regards to the full changes.
Not surprised Empoleon was ranked so high. Only two weaknesses in Gens 4 and 5 and tough enough to withstand a STAB Close Combat/Earthquake from Infernape/Torterra while OHKOing them in return.
On gen gen 4 and onwards he always have : 3 Weaknees Thunder, Ground and Fighting this never had been changed. in gen 6 steel lose Dark and Ghost as a resistant only...
I think Meganium could be quite good with Regenerator (especially in metagames with really strong Ground-types, which is most of them lol). And it wouldn't need to use Assault Vest like Tangrowth. And it's faster and stronger than Amoongus.
Floral healing would make a lot of sense considering it has a giant flower around its neck. Also, give my girl Meganium Sleep Powder and Stun Spore and maybe Pollen Puff.
I know people like Charizard, but I gotta say I would put it in B. While it’s had OU nichés, I can’t put it above infernape for how good it was in gen 4, 5, and 6 to an extent.
Zard has been OU in 3 gens, UUBL in Gen 2 with a great niche in OU if you can pull it off, while also having a good niche in OU in gen 8 with its base form. Infernape was OU for 2 gens and hasn't had a niche in OU since Gen 5. Zard has had lower lows than infernape but it has had higher highs too.
@@Alastordadeer only in gen 8 during Isle of armor. Solar power zard is strong but historically hasn't been enough to have a solid niche until gen 8 Isle of armor
If we took F tier to be worth 0 points, E tier to be worth 1 point, and so on until the S tier is worth 6, here's how the types stack up placement wise: Fire: 34 points Water: 34 points Grass: 28 points Pretty wild how well Gamefreak did ensuring that the starter types were generally balanced. Shame that grass type is a bit weaker, but if they ever decide to make Meganium uber-worthy through insane buffs then everything would be perfectly balanced!
@@lorenzotosi7872 Honestly they could be S and Incin could just jump straight into S++ Gigachad buff cat is singlehandedly the best doubles Pkmn to have ever existed and the others will never compare
ever no, consider landorus-t, meta since its introduction, gastrodon, groudon, and smeargle ludicolo metagrross the early days, at the end the title of best goes to none other than king kyogre itself@@pekorisa
Great video as always: of course I'd make a few changes though Samurott down to E: It might have been good in NU but it's still always NU, similar to Typhlosion's frequent NU excursions Chesnaught up to C: The OU niche in XY does a fair bit for me here even if it ead RU by usage Skeledirge to A: Only one generation but it's literally checking the most broken pokemon conceived. Definitely higher than Meow
Some fun Cinderace tech Since Ace is mono type instead of dual type like its Protean starter counterparts, using a fire type move as your first move will not trigger Libero. You can use Pyro Ball or Will o Wisp turn 1, then use Iron Head turn 2 and you'll change to steel type. I believe the reason Meowscarada and Greninja cant do this is because of their dual typing specifically, making Cinderace all the more unique compared to the other two
Charizard is wayyyyyy too high. After gen 3 its unusable in ou. If just talking about its base form. I get because of its mega but... A tier just seems too high because of its base form
Ikr. Like bro was good in gen 6, decent in 7 then every other gen aside from 3 was mid or literally bad. I’m sure someone used it in gen 8 ou, but fsg acts like it was a sun staple, it was not
@@spinceiling7442 nah, Venu is good placed, is One of the best sweeper on sun teams ever, Good against water, super fast, Ground Special attack, stab solar beam and meteorball
Its interesting to think about how different this list is now. Of course blaziken earns a top spot for so many years of dominance but he has definitely been power crept quite a bit.
Along with this I think H. Samurott deserved A tier bare minimum. Getting free spikes up is insane. It forces crazy progress and has massive sweeping ability with a swords dance sucker punch tera set.
I'm glad that Torterra finally got Shell Smash and other moves in Gen 9. (It should've gotten Shell Smash in BDSP) Though on BDSP, there must've been tiers for it right? I remember when Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee had its own playable tiers.
Meganium should get a buff like a HUGE amount to its Grass-Type moves and offensive stats, under Sunlight/Grassy Terrain, which I would call Herbal Boost, which would boost its Attack & Special Attack by 50% (100% if both Sunlight & Grassy Terrain are each set up) respectively.
Yay! My favorite starter, Swampert, ever made it to A tier, I'm so proud of him. I don't care if he isn't S tier (Which honestly it's a very tough spot to reach), as long as he is still ze best and still is.
Me too. I also have thad bad habit, this gen lost Aromatherapy and got Body Press, Knock Off and Zen Headbutt. The problem is that stil with shitty Leaf Guard and no signature move that gives a specif niche.
The problem with Meganium isn’t even that it’s bad. It’s not. It’s that it’s just exceptionally average. Some decent defensive bulk, but overall average stats, no great recovery, no great ability, average moveset. And in modern Pokémon, that just doesn’t really hold up anymore.
Let me freshen up your knowledge. Gen2 fire starter has same bst. And yet we talk less about it then the grass type which is ironic considering its almost non-existing fanbase
For those wondering, judging the starter placement, with F having 1 point and S having 7, the gen list is: Gen1 - 16 Gen2 - 7 Gen3 - 17 Gen4 - 13 Gen5 - 12 Gen6 - 13 Gen7 - 10 Gen8 - 15 LA - 9 Gen9 - 14
I am 7 minutes in and it just dawned on me. Blaziken was my favourite Pokémon for over a decade, and I am predicting now he’s gonna be #1 based on all of his Ubers showings. The only mon that I can think would challenge would be protean greninja in it’s prime. Can’t wait to see if I’m right!! I’ve been a long time watcher but rarely comment ❤❤ love your channel yall, your voice is iconic. Edit: I KNEW IT!! My freaking BOY! I got the greninja runner up right too 😂😂 Edit edit: also like story time for y’all. I was following Smogon from late gen 3/early 4. Watching Blaziken fall in popularity to infernape was absolutely heartbreaking for me. Tore me up to watch him just get totally eclipsed like that… so when gen 5 came along and I watched my boy rise to Ubers it was just like i was watching a true underdog story unfold in front of me. Absolutely wild time to be alive; I’m so grateful I got to experience it as a Blaziken fan.
Tbf, I heavily doubt blaziken would've been op in gen 7 OU, but it might've made the metagame too centralizing. Toxapex doesn't need another stall victim, and ash greninja doesn't need another water shuriken victim.
10:00 the way he introduces the beginning of C rank and above, and immediately hts you with the blastoise facing back pose. False Swipe Gaming you didn't need to go this hard 🔥🔥
I love how people are mentioning VGC as if FSG forgot about it, when in fact the video wasn't supposed to be about VGC in the first place. FSG is gonna do another tier list that is centered around VGC lol.
As a meganium fan, I can honestly tell you I saw that placement from a mile away. Meganium will get its day sooner or later.
Call it Mr. Stake and it cant be killed in a nuzlock
Chikorita is pretty good in Mystery Dungeon at least.
This won’t stop us from using Meganium in game while building a strong team to support
It got Knock off, Trailblaze, Solar Blade, Zen Headbutt, Body Press, Grassy Glide, Encore and Endeavor in the DLC now. Won't mend it's stats but movepool-Wise it's much, much better now.
It has Swords Dance already, maybe it's not as garbage in lower tiers now.
In the fanfare Radical Red its great, with an ability giving priority to healing moves like giga Drain and the Fairy typing
My personal buff for meganium would be to change it to a fire fighting type, give it the speed boost ability, and change its name to Blaziken
Cool, now you got a Blaziken with Meganium's move pool.
no just switch its special defense stat with its HP and give meganium spore, sleep powder or thunder wave
"Cool, now you got a blaziken with meganium's movepool"-🤓@@zkdelta8014
After years of ridicule, Meganium just needs a broken Hidden Ability or Signature move that turns things around for it. There's still a lot of broken Pokemon after 9 generations. I wouldn't mind them buffing Meganium to an extreme extent. Mons like Pidgeot and Meganium look so cool but are so insanely average that it's almost disheartening.
@@saikatkar4452I feel you, I’m a typhlosion fan😅
If this was on doubles, incineroar would need its own tier
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@@stylevstar253*feature-length film
@@theschnozzler *12 40 min long episodes series
The VGC westling cat tier
two tiers above any other starter
Typhlosion is an incredible cleaner who gets to spam Eruption and even got a new Hisuian form
Feraligatr presses Swords Dance once and destroys everything with Sheer Force Liquidation, second only to Crawdaunt as a physical Water destroyer
And Meganium… was on the box art of New Pokémon Snap
game freak hate meganium, he's also the best starter in hgss nuzlockes
@@bomoose tô make the game harder right? I love the guy but it's matchs up into the major fights is by far the worst match up spread a starter has had in any main line pokemon game. Grass is so bad in gen 2 it is just sad
@bomoose most incorrect thing ever stated, meganuim is garbage every time it appears in the series
It has dat! Been in a cover is Nice 😂
@@bomoosethe only thing it has going is being good at post game IN pokemon Mystery dungeon game so there's that
Never forget the leader of an entire archetype of starters. Blaziken we salute you.
Infernape (and then Speed Boost) was basically Game Freak going "Man, we should have given Blaziken a higher speed". I still don't know what they were thinking with Emboar. Everybody was so shocked when we found out about it.
Uber tier starters?
It was the first fire/fighting 😂
I don't. So many people thought it was an insta win PKMN they didn't knew how to use it properly and barely did any damage despite being an "Uber" threat.
@@iss2075The fire-fighting starters were almost certainly about the first gyms always being Rock type. Charmander was given metal claw in FR/LG for a similar reason.
And for Gen V specifically, I would wager a lot of money that the team designing the pokemon were assuming the rock gym when Emboar was designed.
Guys, Incineroar gained Helping Hand in Gen 9.
Doubles is just as dead as Singles.
Oh no..
ALOLA PRIDE BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Hahaha yes, anything to make people rage even further. Heel cat gonna drink them tears and keep on trucking in VGC
HELL YEAH!!!
LMAO
Let the record show that Skeledirge is currently in OU again!
Skeledirge is easily A tier in a future version of this video and likely S tier.
Skeledirge is definetely one of the most interesting starters, because it was a top 10 ubers pokemon while sitting in a UU tier@@banriswirl6414
@@banriswirl6414bro top 10 Ubers
I didn’t know he was that good until this video! I knew it was in Ubers but damn! I don’t even have a switch to play gen 9 on and Dirge is becoming one of my favourite starters; killer design both looks and mechanics!
@@mimmikyute dirge also just got some great fairy coverage and scorching sands with the new dlc!
I know Incineroar ain’t gonna be at the top since this is singles focused, but I expect a full video to go into is VGC dominance one day🔥
I’ve been mostly following doubles and vgc lately so even though I was expecting Roar’s placement here it still somehow surprised me :P
Incineroar in singles: Normal Pokémon in NU, even moved up to PU.
Incineroar in doubles: Has won every format they’ve been allowed in, insane usage numbers. Arguably the best VGC Pokémon ever. Incineroar is like the US military of doubles
I predict a VGC version of this video may have for S-rank
Incinaroar; Rilaboom and Charizard
@@sebarsht12 Zard is prob A tier
@@angle2703 Like, he was number 1 in usage in a generation with legal Zacian!
The other week I was imagining if Hyper Beam retained its Gen 1 mechanics and as a result, the elemental variants exclusive to the starters would have been scary competitive options. There's a hint of that alternate timeline in Eruption Typhlosion.
Picturing Sub Sunny Day Peteya Berry Blast Burn Charizard being able to keep pushing the button after OHKOing Swampert
Bkc (writer for this channel) actually made a video about it if you're interested
@@TheWizardMusNow that's a cool scenario. Why do I imagine Alain doing this?
@@theserpent8667 it happened it Jimothy Cool's Gen 3 OU ADV Revival tournament and it was so cool
It really should work that way. Otherwise why use it at all
I'm just glad that my boy Sceptile got to C tier, and I'm pretty sure everybody saw Meganium's placement coming a mile away
My boy Sceptile deserves at least B, boy is a dragon type too she. In mega form!
@@jjgriffiniv1307 The problem is that it’s a mega. Mega Sceptile would be incredible if it could use held items and learn Draco Meteor but it unfortunately can’t
I don’t really care that much about Sceptile, but I do like Meganium
Being Meganium stan is take a L in every tier list about grass or starters pokemon's... I am tired of it, Gamefreak isn't
I forgot meganium was a starter
Alright guys lets remember, +1 on 103 base special attack and 122 speed is shockingly broken with insane STAB types and life orb
And Hisui-Eye gets the upperhand in the lower tiers against Krook, Wo-Chien, and, uh, Tyranitar, which even gets Knock Off now. 😅 (If you think I'm fucking about on this one, just look at the OU list. Great Tusk, IVal, Ting-Lu and friends with zero Pursuit. He's become shockingly adept at inviting the opponent to win, so now he's a feather in the cap of E-tiers among E-tiers. :/)
@@SJtheMFZB Gen 9 competitive is interesting but in all the wrong ways
and it's still markedly worse than Agren since +1 103 with a life orb is barely stronger than specs 153
@@1peidu if it's strong enough to stay in teal mask ou, it's still doing something right.
@@insertnamehere658 Agren would end up banned instead of just staying in OU mate, since iirc reg gren is mostly used as a cleaner on rain. Agren can use rain cleaner sets but in Gen 9 if it wanted to it could SD Tera electric and smoke its usual checks. People forget this is as strong as Lando T. Reg gren can't pull that off even with battle bond.
Gotta love how from Gen 4 to 5 Blaziken when from worse infernape to better infernape
I mean that was just due to speed boost if it didn't get that ability the powercreep would have dropped it to mid tier RU
@@laxusstrauss5945 yep, but the point still stands
@@rubiconprime1429yeah until it’s mega came in
Better STARTER, period xD
@@NightmareZerogbs until Cinderace appears :(
seeing clips from various gens back to back really highlights how much better the sprites of g4 and g5 were than the 3d stuff we've been stuck with ever since.
Gen 5 especially. God, those animated sprites were just gorgeous.
Oras had the best ones wym
Mudkip was the Pokemon I picked in the my first Pokemon game (Ruby Version). I’m glad to see Swampert placed high on the list. I’ve always loved how reliable it is.
Swear… I tested this… but it’s the only Hoenn Starter to make gen 3 battle frontier a bit easier
@@dramaticScar one weakness, high bulk, amazing offensive typings go brrrrr
Poor Meganium. It looks like they at least gave it Body Press as something interesting but as far as I can tell so far, the only way it can raise its defense is with Curse or an uncommon random boost from Ancient Power.
It also has knock off so it can also force progress which is a pretty nice thing to have
Encore is another funny move it got. That plus Tera Fighting Body Press make it a (really bad) check to Kingambit. I wish my baby had gotten a new HA as well but it didn’t.
@@Cobalt957 nice thing to have if u live a hit , yeah not happening with that miserable speed stat and grass typing..
Eviolite Bayleef is surprisingly tanky. With the 50% boost it has 120 base in both defences and it has an okay base 60hp. It can stall pretty well with leech seed, protect and synthesis. Plus you can catch alot of super effective hits off guard now with tera rock.
Fella, some Pokémon are just never meant for the Fight. Leave it be and let it continue with World Pollination.
So glad my boy Serperior is in A tier. Spamming contrary leaf storm is so much fun
Agreed
After whole Gen 8 absence, Serperior returned stronger than ever with Stellar Contrary Tera Blast
Really wish he had Draco Meteor too as a bona-fide special Move Tutor. He does look a _bit_ like a Dragon, like a Grassy Dragonair.
It’s also a good sub leech seed user
We do not refer to Pokemon as a boy or a girl.
Quaquaval having triple axel now will give it a shot at OU again imo. Triple Axel destroys its previous counters
That axel doing a fat 13% to pex with 3 hits and a fat 5% to dozo with 3 crit hits
@@1peidu he said dragonite and dragapult were counters, reason why I said it lol
@@spamgoose6447 Meowscarda gets it too and it can get STAB off of it unlike Quav, so probably not.
@@sonic5993Ydk it can tera, right? But then again, why waste a tera to be an ice type
@@MisterSleep1123Regiekeki:
Ill never forget somehow being swept by an evasive/sleep meganium in the gen 3 battle tower. Boy what an introduction to gimick strategies lol
That's why it's a battle tower. You're allowed to use degenerate stuff that smogon ban ages ago.
But then again, you're also up against a CPU that knows which move you click, and luck is always on their side.
I don't remember ever facing that, but my fire punch alakazam may have just crushed it every time. I'm not really sure.
This is why u use Mono dragon Latios with sub calm and recover
@@bryanc1772 to quote a certain other video: none of that matters when you can't *hit* them
@@shawnli4746 +6 252 SpA Latios Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Meganium: 377-444 (103.5 - 121.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
It only needs to hit once which will come . It’s only a matter of time and yea it’s not like meganium can break Latios subs
Honest to God, I just saw that Meganium didn't get any significant boost in Indigo disk and I am SO mad about it. Like, really? How is it possible that Gamefreak keeps on mistreating it? Gosh, GF better put their sh¨t together.
But wait! It got…. Uh… hmmm… knockoff, surely that’s a rare move that not over a hundred mons better than meganium learn. (Clueless)
Oh oh oh ! I got you! It got body press! Now it can deal with those pesky steel types! Please ignore the fact that it already knows earthquake and that it’s best defense boosting move is… curse…
Give it a Fire/Grass regional form and then we can talk
I know it's not official, but I feel like Mega-Blastoise being banned in Gen 9 NatDex should be mentioned. It's a shame that it gained Shell Smash as it lost its Mega.
Free my boy Blastoise
It's not just an unofficial tier, it's a make believe meta that only can exist on simulations. Smogon OU singles and even all of the lower unofficial tiers like ZU or UUbers can be replicated in the actual games themselves, you can't do that at all with NatDex, because certain moves no longer exist, Pokemon are missing, AND multiple different generational mechanics are allowed. It's about as real as Almost Any Ability, STABmons, or any of the other OMs that exist on Smogon, which is why it's not worth mentioning when talking strictly official formats.
We don't use a hyphen between the word mega and the Pokemon's name.
good news, he's coming back officially.
@@Forged4War206 not really , its basically a meta where all pokemon are allowed including z moves and Megas ofcourse theres a banned list and although tera is an awful mechanic that disrupted the natdex format gen 8 national dex is a competitive tear at the high ladder. If Blastoise can be banned in a meta like that it means that if megas come back once it shell smashes it becomes monster
I've been a HUGE Swampert fan for majority of its existence. Glad to see that the competitive scene loves it too!!
Swampert had a very significant niche in previous gen as a specially defensive wall that could set p rocks, spread toxic/threaten what it walls, utilise flip turn for momentum, and just spam earthquake or scald, so it was actually quite decent quite recently (nothng game breaking but the niche it fitted was quite significant)
I still to this day, play ruby & Sapphire on my Gameboy SP
Swampert is my undisputed favorite starter of all time!
I'm soo dedicated to Swampert (even before the physical/special split) that I don't care using an over-leveled mixed attacking starter during playthroughs (hydro pump/surf; ice beam; earthquake; brick break).
I even trade every Swampert I've ever played with to another game before restarting my gen 3 games!
@@t.j.helming5534 Mixed Swampert was pretty much the standard in Gens 3 and 4. It usually packed Ice Beam and Earthquake for damage dealing moves while the other 2 slots were for utility (Roar for PHazing and either Stealth Rock or Water STAB for more coverage). Ice Beam despite running off its lower attacking stat was more effective than Ice Punch in Gen 4.
Calling Serperiors movepool "Devilish" was a good callback. For the unaware, Contrary used to be called "Devil's Advocate" prior to BW being released in English.
30:49 not even gliscore can tank it
Primarina is so good in UU for gens 7 and 8 and I hope that continues. Highest special attack AND highest special defense of all starters not counting Eeveelutions
It kind of astounds me how Prima isn't at least BL, but then again, I look to the Rampardos theorem.
@@Goldenblade14 Rampardos theorem is overstating it considering Primarina has good special bulk and a good defensive typing. Think it's just the speed holding it back.
Well Rampardos Theorem says that "power isn't everything," and it doesn't necessarily specify the issue as poor bulk or typing. Primarina having the Highest starter Special Attack and being considered a C Tier fits the mold imo.@@teddyhaines6613
Yea I was hoping Primarina would get maybe quiver dance and or boomburst this gen. But alas my girl is just gonna have to wait for her time
@@Rawla2 Boomburst I would love, but dear gods if this thing gets Quiver Dance it's skyrocketing right up to OU and never coming back down
Keep in mind both Meowscarada and Quaquaval got Triple Axel this dlc so they're gonna be even better than at the time this tier list was made.
They *both* got Triple Axel??? What was Game Freak cooking lol
@@cheyanne2001 if you think that's bad think of VGC. Incineroar just got Helping Hand 😂. I don't know why the thought Meowscarada, Quaquaval or most of all Incineroar needed buffs.
@@weesticles650 they did *what* to Incin
@@cheyanne2001 it got Helping Hand. Plus it got the new move Temper Flare so if it hits into Protect it'll have a 150 BP move the next turn.
@@weesticles650 OH WHY. It's not like Incin was a top VGC Mon already, yup. It needed more buffs apparently 😭
GameFreak: How do we buff Meganium?
Sensible employee 1: Give it new moves?
GameFreak: Nah.
Sensible employee 2: Give it a new ability which compliments its wall status?
GameFreak: Nah.
Dumbass employee: Make it the mascot for the new Pokemon Snap game and call it a day?
GameFreak: BRILLIANT!!!
It did just got 3 new moves recently in S/V
Knock Off, Body Press, and Encore
It’s HA is still the infamous Leaf Guard, it lost Aromatherapy (deleted) with no Heal Bell to take it’s place, and still no Sleep Powder, Calm Mind, Earth Power, or the new Alluring Voice, not even Pollen Puff
Give it regenerator, synthesis, calm mind, earth power & sleep powder and it would probably be decent in RU.
I still want my Mega Meganium. Grass/Fairy, Pixilate, Hypervoice, 100 Base Speed. done
Yeah... It's something, I can work with that...
But a regional form would be...👌
Saw Meganium coming a mile away. It basically exists to get dunked on. It's also the poster child of "overshadowed by its own middle stage."
Charizard: Hey look at that guys ! I’m placed in PU as in “Perfectly Usable”
Blastoise: Should we tell him?
Venusaur: Nah let it sink in.
I mean
Blastoise probably should avoid casting stones, or really doing anything to draw attention to itself. Or its forehead
Blaziken has been my favorite pokemon since it's beginning
to see it ascend so high competitively has always put a smile on my face
if only it was also amazing in VGC
I have the same with greninja. Even with battle bond no longer making it’s base stats mewtwo level. It’s still an insanely good mon, despite that it doesn’t have a niece in the among the highest offensive stat department. It’s still an all around S tier Pokemon.
greninja trash lol@@Alastordadeer
@@SarcasticBeingYes Yea lol Greninja trash
I feel like Dirge is at least A rank. Being viable in Ubers should surely be worth some brownie points.
It's held back by the fact it's only been around for 1 generation.
Seeing meganimun one of my favorite starters always so low always breaks my heart.
Only if meganium get a new ability like thick fat or technician
Or megic bounce, or even Triage
@@majesticgothitelle1802 that would be such a cool hidden ability. Or just a boost in stats
Just remember that this is only with competitive Pokémon, comp stuff isn't all there is
It even ties with Ash’s Bulbasaur in a League battle lol
Chesnaught is my favourite pokemon to find early one in any Rom.
Its essentially Swampert but double weak to Flying. Which is generally rare to see in competitive and on difficult game.
Flying is absolutely not uncommon to see in competitive.
incineroar in singles, C tier, middle of the middle. In doubles, SSS+
God tier fr
Actually im pretty sure the protean/libero change was due to Tera. Like you said Gren had it or 3 gens and they left it alone. Im sure there would have been bugs or terablast would be absurd on them, also if keckleon stays gone that would make sense as a reason. (Not that keckleon was used a lot lol)
It definitely was because it was broken or that they thought it was distracting.
Bugs would have been simple to fix, thats really not an issue. This is coming from a dev.
I'm fairly confident because it was Cinderace wrecking stuff in Battle Stadium Singles (BSS). With Bounce, Bulk Up/HJK, Sucker Punch, Pyro Ball, and Gigantamax it could go for a Max Airstream then pick and choose its counters, deftly avoiding any priority with Protean that could dent it.
@@BrendonCap Gamefreak having an easy time fixing bugs? ha, that's funny.
That doesn't seem particularly likely, since Tera just disables those abilities, so they could've done the same thing with the previous version.
@@aaajeear8654 All jokes aside, yes, gamefreak is quite adept at making games without bugs, if you dont count graphical errors. When was the last time we had a real significant bug related to the type chart or abilities? They are amazingly rare.
If this was doubles then incineroar would’ve been S tier
Z Tier actually…
Incineroar tier, more like
venusaur truly is the goat. so glad to see it this high on the list where it deserves to be 💕
Wish it was on the s tier, though…but whatever…
Typhlosion is my favorite starter and one of my favorite pokemon if all time.
Its both ferocious but also cuddly. Could you imagine being out in the wilds and juat cuddling with it late at night to go to sleep?
and it burning you to death?
@@bomooseit can take its flames off
Blaziken who is the archetype of Fire & Fighting for 3 generations and gained speed boost: Bawk Bawk motherf*cker
I think skeledirge is back in OU now by usage, it's still quite great
Even Greninja Got Nerfed in Battle Bond and Protean,He’s still Grow Strong,Well done.
Shouldn't there be a space after every comma?
I think the biggest reason they have changed Protean/Libero is the interaction with terastalization. However, I think this change will stay even in future gens.
It'ld be nice if they gave Kelceon a variant of the original version. Being able to swap between types freely makes it really fun. With it's stats keep it from being overwhelming. (Very high sp.def, average hp, defense attack, and low speed)
It also gets priority Dark/Ghost/Normal attacks, giving it a lot of fun immunity play.
Yeah I thought the same thing when they nerfed it.
Yea. If it remained the same in gen 9, Meow would totally outclass the other 2 especially now that it gets triple axel. Its faster than the other 2 or in fact any starter and it hits harder than greninja and also has a broken signature move
@@what.are.you.doing.stepbroImagine they bring back Ash Greninja
Blaziken has been my fave mon since I got introduced to Pokemon, which was with the release of Emerald. It does me so well to see my boy top the list of the tierlist because he was too broken to deal with for like 3 whole gens.
We do not refer to Pokemon as a boy or a girl.
@@Amelia4111 Since Blaziken has a gender ratio of 87.5% male and 12.5% female and I only ever got male Torchics, I am very confident to call him my boy and dont think you should critize this topic to even begin with
@@Amelia4111 Why? There's clearly genders there.
@@Amelia4111okay bro
Contrary Serperior with leaf storm and choice specs plus maxed out speed is way too deadly.
i think specs serperior is one of the worse serp sets tbh. sub leech glare leaf storm (you could swap a move for coverage such as hidden power/tera blast). the ability to spread paralysis as a mon that fast + being able to take advantage of paralysis to setup is crazy good. serp isn’t as scary if it’s just clicking leaf storm and, for example, if someone switches in a heatran your stuck with a specs leaf storm instead of being able to snipe it with coverage like hidden power/ tera blast ground or, even better, paralyze it.
specs serp is Bad
Grass is a trash offensive typing.
Serp loves spamming its aupport moves like glare, leechseed and defog
Or screens
@@NasJuiced You make a very good point however Serp's many weaknesses may mean to use at least 2 moves it needs a sash. Sashing it ain't a bad move or anything but it takes away the use of another item. Honestly your opinion is clever and probably better than how I like to use Serp however I like brute force!
@@mangosteak Just because a type is trash offensively, doesn't mean a Pokemon that has that type is. And Grass is probably worse defensively due to its many weaknesses! Its honestly up to you how to play with it and I respect your opinion as that is how Serp is usually played! I just like trying to take mons out quickly before they can set up entry hazards and status conditions.
@@AlectricEelthe idea is more than grass isn't great offensively, so you don't want to lock yourself into it. Using Leaf Storm to get the +2 and using that to break your normal switchins with something like Tera Blast Fire is a lot more effective than being forced out yourself. Alternatively, grabbing a substitute can let you spam Leaf Storm forever and eventually break everything that used to wall you
Imfernape needs a strong special Fighting Type move like Aura Sphere!
It's weird and fascinating how infernape can have a second chance if it obtains a bettee special movepool
It already have it
infernape just needs a better hidden ability or a boost to iron fist (which is super weak 20%) it should get the same boost as strong jaw
The fact that it stayed OU/UU stable for 16 years with even blaze is impressive same goes with swampert in fact most of his sets are not used with iron fist
But it does have such a move...
...70% of the time.
It learns Aura Sphere btw
@@qwilliams1539call it what it is; focus miss
I was taken aback while watching the video when I noticed Incineroar in the C-Tier.
I paused the video and checked the title to see "-Singles", then it all makes sense
My favorite and chosen starters for each gen:
Gen 1: Bulbasaur
Gen 2: Totodile
Gen 3: Treecko
Gen 4: Turtwig
Gen 5: Snivy
Gen 6: Froakie
Gen 7: Rowlet
Gen 8: Sobble
Gen 9: Fuecoco
Looking at the list, I think I've picked rather well. I tend towards reptile/amphibian Pokémon, with a bias towards Grass and the resulting choices haven't been bad.
Besides the first two I also have the same favorites (gen 3 to gen 9), but My fav of all starter is by far far far far margin Squirtle (I have a Blastoise tattoo on my back). 2nd gen is Chikorita (but is more by a nostalgic factor than competitive or any other way)
Yeah, I always knew my boy would be in first, like he is supposed to be. But in all seriousness, I think Hisuian Sammurott, Skeliderge and Meowscarada will be seen in A tier next gen, specially the former 2, since I just can’t see Skeliderge losing it’s niche in ubers without a legendary unaware pokemon being released. Ubers is currently way too powerful and it’s in need of an unaware user, and he is just the best one.
It'll lose tera next gen so it wont be nearly as viable as it is now. It has wayy too many common weaknesses for a slow pokemon to be good without tera next gen. Meowscarada got tripple axel and is now actually one of the most used mon on ou according to the usage chart finchinator tweeted
We don't use the word its as a pronoun if there's an apostrophe in it.
@@what.are.you.doing.stepbro he is not good even with tera. He has just been power crept. But he is still decent, it’s slow but speed boost can fix this, and he will probably have the best history of any starter forever. I just can’t see any starter having 3 generations in ubers. He was even considered good in gen 5, that’s just how goated his run was.
Blaziken has always been my favorite starter, other than personal bias I'm happy to see there is a reason why I liked it so much.
It really goes to show, despite Grass having the reputation of one of the worst offensive typing, their support capabilities and resistances to some key types. Grass serves to be one of the most balanced types (in terms of starters)
From my view and counting, using the number of Mons above and below C-Tier (which i consider as the middle ground)
- Grass is well-balanced
- Fire, even counting regional forms is POWERFUL as well as popular, it helps that many games have a sparce diversity of fire types.
- Water while favouring average towards above average. As a whole, to me, it's reliable. Squirtle was my first ever Pokémon, Gatr was my first ever shiny. I tend to lean towards the Water type.
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That’s what makes Meganium extra bad. It manages to be a grass type without all those good grass support moves and good abilities that grass types tend to have. Also grass is frequently a good secondary typing on defensive mons (see ferrothorn or Amoonguss) but Meganium is monotype. Bro never stood a chance. 😢
@@brain_tonicblame power creep and the existance of better Pokémon
Just use Tangrowth , it’s just much better than most things Meganium can do
Offensive Grass types ; Ferrothorn , Ogerpon-Hearthflame, Waterpon and Rockpon exist now, even Kartana and Mega Venusaur
Venusaur nowadays is a lot better since Poison typing helps it with Fairies
@@bryanc1772 it should also be noted that Meganium has access to the Grass staples of Leech Seed, Powders and self-healing as well as dual screens.
Then Serperior came along.
@@sebarsht12 It actually only has poison powder, which is a terrible move... meanwhile Venusaur has sleep powder and toxic. Also hundreds of mons have screens, pretty irrelevant to mention. Leech seed is on every defensive grass pretty much, so Meganium isn't really standing out with that either.
Swampert is my favorite final evolution of the starters but infernape isn't that far away
Man of culture
Same here
Same,their my favorite water and fire starters respectively
(Meowscarada is my favorite grass)
@deanoor9391 the fact we have the same favorite mon and name is wild lol
Honestly, I'd argue chesnaught deserves to be moved up a tier.
It's been a solid uu mon for 2 of 3 gens its been in, while everything else in the same tier was ru or below
Can’t wait to see meganium also come in last in the doubles version of this video. Incineroar being #1 is also inevitable.
Turtwig was my first ever starter, and i can say confidently that the phrase "Shell Smash Torterra" gives me goosebumps. he might not be one of the most ridiculous mons out there but good gods above is he a tanky mf. add shell smash to that and you have a cannonball of a pokemon
I would LOVE seeing a similar video going over pseudo legendaries!
Meganium wouldn't be so lonely if you had counted Pikachu
At least the lets go starters have coverage
Meganium should get a signature move that sets up sun and grassy terrain simultaneously
Meganium fans: GF please buff
GF: What? You want us to give Charizard ANOTHER new form?
No matter if some of the starters were strong or not, they still are iconic and memorable, and we will remember them for a long time to come.
I like how you make a lot of pokemon sound strong despite their tiers like with decidueye and emboar. I'm not into competitive so I can't tell how true this is, it just sounds really nice :)
"Please buff Meganium"
GF with the Indigo Disk: "Nerf Meganium? Alright!"
I did have fun mopping the floor with Zacian & Cinderace in doubles.
"Oh, you have a bulky water type? Well Libero energy ball should deal with that fine."
I wonder how much this list will change with their full return in Teal Mask/Indigo Disk SV DLC? Sadly it will be quite while since it usually takes several testing and actual tourneys to fully test out a complete list in regards to the full changes.
Not surprised Empoleon was ranked so high. Only two weaknesses in Gens 4 and 5 and tough enough to withstand a STAB Close Combat/Earthquake from Infernape/Torterra while OHKOing them in return.
On gen gen 4 and onwards he always have : 3 Weaknees Thunder, Ground and Fighting this never had been changed. in gen 6 steel lose Dark and Ghost as a resistant only...
I think Meganium could be quite good with Regenerator (especially in metagames with really strong Ground-types, which is most of them lol). And it wouldn't need to use Assault Vest like Tangrowth. And it's faster and stronger than Amoongus.
I also think Swampert should get Slack Off, Recover or Regenerator.
Would fit because it's based off a mud fish/amphibian
Triage would be my pick.
Hell, give it Regenerator and Strength Sap. That would make it a tank physical sweepers actually fear facing instead of thinking it's setup fodder.
@@teddyhaines6613 Imagine Triage Strength Sap, though. That could go pretty wild.
Floral healing would make a lot of sense considering it has a giant flower around its neck. Also, give my girl Meganium Sleep Powder and Stun Spore and maybe Pollen Puff.
Great video, please do legendaries in the same video format
I know people like Charizard, but I gotta say I would put it in B. While it’s had OU nichés, I can’t put it above infernape for how good it was in gen 4, 5, and 6 to an extent.
Infernape has always been good in UU
Fair but solar power charizard is a menace. Almost nothing can come in on an overheat from this thing. And it’s mega’s have always been goated
Zard has been OU in 3 gens, UUBL in Gen 2 with a great niche in OU if you can pull it off, while also having a good niche in OU in gen 8 with its base form. Infernape was OU for 2 gens and hasn't had a niche in OU since Gen 5. Zard has had lower lows than infernape but it has had higher highs too.
@@supercrazy843 solar power charizard is a menace tho
@@Alastordadeer only in gen 8 during Isle of armor. Solar power zard is strong but historically hasn't been enough to have a solid niche until gen 8 Isle of armor
If we took F tier to be worth 0 points, E tier to be worth 1 point, and so on until the S tier is worth 6, here's how the types stack up placement wise:
Fire: 34 points
Water: 34 points
Grass: 28 points
Pretty wild how well Gamefreak did ensuring that the starter types were generally balanced. Shame that grass type is a bit weaker, but if they ever decide to make Meganium uber-worthy through insane buffs then everything would be perfectly balanced!
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Quaquaval in the past few months has also gained Knock Off and Triple Axel. Its honestly a really cool pokemon
Wow. I love Venusaur, but did not expect it to be ranked this high. And right next to its “cooler” sibling no less.
Great video, FSG!
Very well made!
Can’t wait for the Doubles Version of this video, though I think we all know who the best starter is there! 😂
Incineroar:
Greninja also or venusaur rillaboom mega Charizard y serperior can be S tier maybe incineroar is S+
@@lorenzotosi7872 Honestly they could be S and Incin could just jump straight into S++
Gigachad buff cat is singlehandedly the best doubles Pkmn to have ever existed and the others will never compare
ever no, consider landorus-t, meta since its introduction, gastrodon, groudon, and smeargle ludicolo metagrross the early days, at the end the title of best goes to none other than king kyogre itself@@pekorisa
@@lorenzotosi7872Yeah, but Incineroar is way more consistent. Kyogre can be easily shut down by Groudon with Solar Beam.
Great video as always: of course I'd make a few changes though
Samurott down to E: It might have been good in NU but it's still always NU, similar to Typhlosion's frequent NU excursions
Chesnaught up to C: The OU niche in XY does a fair bit for me here even if it ead RU by usage
Skeledirge to A: Only one generation but it's literally checking the most broken pokemon conceived. Definitely higher than Meow
Zard atleast a tier lower as well? been badge if you exclude the bias and 2 megas it got, B tops but C even
False Swipe always posts BANGERS.
Some fun Cinderace tech
Since Ace is mono type instead of dual type like its Protean starter counterparts, using a fire type move as your first move will not trigger Libero.
You can use Pyro Ball or Will o Wisp turn 1, then use Iron Head turn 2 and you'll change to steel type.
I believe the reason Meowscarada and Greninja cant do this is because of their dual typing specifically, making Cinderace all the more unique compared to the other two
fun fact: charizard is NU in gen 1, but is one of the top 20 most used pokémon in OU because new players don’t know any better
I'm starting a cult dedicated to Seismitoad so that you make a video on it
Charizard is wayyyyyy too high. After gen 3 its unusable in ou. If just talking about its base form. I get because of its mega but... A tier just seems too high because of its base form
Ikr. Like bro was good in gen 6, decent in 7 then every other gen aside from 3 was mid or literally bad. I’m sure someone used it in gen 8 ou, but fsg acts like it was a sun staple, it was not
@@danka1167For a short time, it was (Isle of Armour).
Yeah the zard (and arguably venusaur) placements are a little off to me
@@spinceiling7442 nah, Venu is good placed, is One of the best sweeper on sun teams ever, Good against water, super fast, Ground Special attack, stab solar beam and meteorball
I couldn't stop thinking of terminal montage's animation while watching this
Serperior is my favorite starter and I liked its high place.
Its interesting to think about how different this list is now. Of course blaziken earns a top spot for so many years of dominance but he has definitely been power crept quite a bit.
Imagine releasing this the day Sceptile gets shed tail
VGC fans seeing incineroar in c tier must be like what singles fans feel seeing toxapex in f tier
Skeledirge is definitely an A-tier in my book. Top 10 pokemon in Uber and UU, and now its back in OU. Very good boy!
Along with this I think H. Samurott deserved A tier bare minimum. Getting free spikes up is insane. It forces crazy progress and has massive sweeping ability with a swords dance sucker punch tera set.
We do not refer to Pokemon as a boy or a girl. WHY?
As a player that started with Venusaur, im so happy for its placement. Bulbasaur was my very favorite out of all the gen 1 starters.
I'm glad that Torterra finally got Shell Smash and other moves in Gen 9. (It should've gotten Shell Smash in BDSP) Though on BDSP, there must've been tiers for it right? I remember when Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee had its own playable tiers.
Meganium should get a buff like a HUGE amount to its Grass-Type moves and offensive stats, under Sunlight/Grassy Terrain, which I would call Herbal Boost, which would boost its Attack & Special Attack by 50% (100% if both Sunlight & Grassy Terrain are each set up) respectively.
Quaquaval should be B tier as it was ranked OU for half a year. Great video!!
My favorite two starters are Inciniroar and Blaziken so no matter what format I’m in I’m always having a great time
The third I in Incineroar is supposed to be an E!
Hey man, love you guys and your videos. I appreciate the passion. Happy holidays! (Also, Venosaur will always be #1*)
Pokédex depending on
As someone who had chikorita as their first starter
I still wait for the day it will be good
Yay! My favorite starter, Swampert, ever made it to A tier, I'm so proud of him. I don't care if he isn't S tier (Which honestly it's a very tough spot to reach), as long as he is still ze best and still is.
Sceptile & Infernape: Who are you?
Meowscarada & Cinderace: i am you but better.
Meganium has always been the pokemon I first look for new moveset changes in every new release since gen 6
Me too. I also have thad bad habit, this gen lost Aromatherapy and got Body Press, Knock Off and Zen Headbutt. The problem is that stil with shitty Leaf Guard and no signature move that gives a specif niche.
The problem with Meganium isn’t even that it’s bad. It’s not. It’s that it’s just exceptionally average. Some decent defensive bulk, but overall average stats, no great recovery, no great ability, average moveset. And in modern Pokémon, that just doesn’t really hold up anymore.
Charizard: The best and worst starter of ALL TIME
Except you are incorrect about Charizard being the worst starter of all time
@@andytaker3073true but he has been top tier and bottom tier multiple times
@@mragabiou5478the only time it’s bottom tier is gen 1 arguably. Gen 2 it’s good and gen 3 onwards, Meganium exists
Let me freshen up your knowledge.
Gen2 fire starter has same bst. And yet we talk less about it then the grass type which is ironic considering its almost non-existing fanbase
without megas its D at best
For those wondering, judging the starter placement, with F having 1 point and S having 7, the gen list is:
Gen1 - 16
Gen2 - 7
Gen3 - 17
Gen4 - 13
Gen5 - 12
Gen6 - 13
Gen7 - 10
Gen8 - 15
LA - 9
Gen9 - 14
I am 7 minutes in and it just dawned on me. Blaziken was my favourite Pokémon for over a decade, and I am predicting now he’s gonna be #1 based on all of his Ubers showings. The only mon that I can think would challenge would be protean greninja in it’s prime. Can’t wait to see if I’m right!! I’ve been a long time watcher but rarely comment ❤❤ love your channel yall, your voice is iconic.
Edit: I KNEW IT!! My freaking BOY! I got the greninja runner up right too 😂😂
Edit edit: also like story time for y’all.
I was following Smogon from late gen 3/early 4. Watching Blaziken fall in popularity to infernape was absolutely heartbreaking for me. Tore me up to watch him just get totally eclipsed like that… so when gen 5 came along and I watched my boy rise to Ubers it was just like i was watching a true underdog story unfold in front of me. Absolutely wild time to be alive; I’m so grateful I got to experience it as a Blaziken fan.
Tbf, I heavily doubt blaziken would've been op in gen 7 OU, but it might've made the metagame too centralizing. Toxapex doesn't need another stall victim, and ash greninja doesn't need another water shuriken victim.
10:00 the way he introduces the beginning of C rank and above, and immediately hts you with the blastoise facing back pose. False Swipe Gaming you didn't need to go this hard 🔥🔥
Meganium casually crowning themself the cream of the crap
Nobody does it worse!
I love how people are mentioning VGC as if FSG forgot about it, when in fact the video wasn't supposed to be about VGC in the first place. FSG is gonna do another tier list that is centered around VGC lol.
I like mudkips
Me too. Mudkip is my spirit animal
7:37 “the terrifying Durant”
I mean. Ahhh. Run. It’s… an ant. 😂