@@Mathematiqs If we go by this logic, then it also doesn't have a 100% usage since there are games that can be won before the winner's Snorlax is even revealed (it sounds silly, But Jolteon > Agility > BP > Marowak > SD can win you the game on the spot, yes it takes 3 turns, but in GSC that's definitely doable and if you manage well ....... good luck
@@Mathematiqs I know, hence why Snorlax also has a tendency to have a representation of less than 100% at tournaments because of what I said (and the fact sometimes when a player/team has enough points to pass and they still have a match going, they'll go troll mode and make a Snorlax less team just for the lol since they don't have anything to lose). But it's still nitpicking, the margin of error for Snorlax rarely goes above 1%, so saying that it has a 100% representation and 50% winrate is still accurate
Difference is in the year obviously as Pokemon were lot weaker in the old games until Gen 5 power crept the Pokemon so much that OU has been dominated by a Gen 5 Pokemon to this day...
Who would be stronger: a timeless living relic capable of towing entire landmasses across the seas to create continents, or doggo with big knife Trick question, doggo is stronger even without the knife.
@@loopygordo Mostly in the fact that Yu-gi-oh lacks an in game cost (like Mana or resources) for its cards. The only limiting factor is the number of cards in hand and the 1 normal summon per turn.
Reminder that there's a mode in Stadium 1 where you're asked to defeat ONE RBY Mewtwo with a team of UP TO SIX Pokemon of your choosing. And then there's a rematch where it actually has Amnesia in its moveset, unlike the first fight. RBY Mewtwo was powerful enough to basically be considered an endgame boss on its own.
Gen 2 they had you go 3 on 6 with the 3 680 Pokémon thus far. Gen 1 they had you go SIX on one with Mewtwo. Really says it all. According to GF Gen 1 Mewtwo is just as strong as Hooh, Lugia and Mewtwo COMBINED. And they aren’t wrong.
@@mikeclark7026 Yeah, well they nerfed Mewtwo and the Psychic type a lot in Gen II so it wouldn't have been much of a challenge to beat a Mewtwo with 6 Pokemon in Stadium 2. Also, Gen II has more strategies that allow Pokemon to beat Ubers like Mirror Coat, Perish Song, Destiny Bond, RestTalk and Counter, Explosion and all the OHKO moves were buffed too in Gen II, so a 6 vs. 3 Ubers wasn't too unfair. A challenge, but a normal kid would win eventually, at least in Round 1.
@@iss2075 Agreed. In gen 2, Mewtwo was beatable, but his best moveset had him beat entire teams still lol. Round 2 Rival was close to it. Pretty scary with the moveset of Recover, T bolt, Submission, and Psychic/Ice Beam
My favourite summary of Gen 2 Snorlax came from youtuber Big Yellow. "Playing a team without Snorlax isn't being creative or metabreaking. It's called losing"
Fun fact about gen 1 mewtwo. His stats were so broken that boosting them with perfect evs could cause an overflown and make his special stat the worse in the game.
@@HannibalKantter "I Want To See Mewtwo's Power First Hand...CHRONOMON!!!!"-Professor Haruhiko Kogure,Head Scientist Of The YMIR Project,And Tamer/Creator of Chronomon!"Here Goes...PREPARE YOURSELVES!!!!"Mewtwo VS Chronomon!BEGIN!PSYCHIC VS HOLY FLARE!HYPER BEAM VS CORONA!
@@HannibalKantter I'm Not Crazy Or Lying!I Have A Maxed Out ChronomonHM With 100% Evasion!And Many Powerful Moves Such As Corona,Holy Flare,Sourai,Iron Claws,Armageddon,Eternal Abyss,Absolute Healing,Force Of Life,Plus Many Many More!He Would Beat Mewtwo No Question!I Created Codes For Digimon World DS!I Am A True Tamer King!
Yeah, just seeing it in action, you just know you're dealing with the world's strongest Pokemon. Heck, even when you hit it, it looks like you only succeeding in making it mad, and it's about to rough you up.
what i remember most is that even if you pulled off a miracle and got him to faint, he merely dropped to one knee. every other pokemon has an over dramatic flail-about before falling unconscious, but mewtwo just looked slightly out of breath
well in singles. not in VGC where mewtwo isnt that used (though tbf there was no mewtwo before groudon ans kyogre were added which become more used than mewtwo)
@@wilhelmtan5301 Sure. But if duos existed in Gen 1 it would be the most broken VGC Pokémon of all time as well. A huge way to take out people in VGC has either been to explode on them, or have both attack at once with really powerful or super effective attacks. One Amnesia it’s still unkillable. Aerodactyl isn’t doing anything too it, and Jolteon or Electrode could paralyze it, and then instantly die to EQ. So you traded a Pokémon for paralyzing a Mewtwo who is now plus 2 in everything that matters, and is definitely about to rest. Literally the entire Gen 2 VGC would become which Mewtwo your or your opponents would be fully paralyzed when trying to rest. What an amazing meta game that would be.
I’d love to see a top 5 list of Pokémon that had turnarounds in competitive play. Whether from a new ability, mega-evolution, or typing change. Like Beedrill going from gunning for most useless Pokémon ever to being legitimately viable with its mega.
Ohhh I really like mega beedrill though in my current favorite natdex team I opted for mega pinsir with hyper cutter in base form (mainly for if I wanna play agressively and people have intimidate so it doesnt work before he mega's)
The fact that Pokemon Stadium 1 has a final battle (the rematch just gives Mewtwo Amnesia) which is a 6v1 against Mewtwo is a testament to just how powerful Mewtwo really is.
@@RandalfElVikingo I disagree. Given it’s 6v1 and they give you an electrode with Thunder wave (at least If I’m remembering correctly), it gives you a pretty decent start. You can just run OHKO moves (rentals give you several ) and pray for the 30% chance. If you’re doing it “legitimately” it can be tough for sure, as it involves whittling it down before going for a finishing blow as to not trigger rest. Personally I like to try and use some Flashes on the same electrode to add some RNG into the mix. I don’t know what it would be because most other fights you can over prepare for. My answer would probably be the final stadium of Round 2 Pokémon Battle Revolution if using rentals
@@Epzilon12 I beat it with Rental Jolteon and Electrode in Round 1. But Round 2 is just too hard with Rentals. I did not knew you could use OHKO, but accuracy in the Stadium games is harsh. I think the answer we were both looking for is the Elite Four in both Stadium Games or Spencer' Gold Symbol in Emerald. The Rival in R2 was not that hard for me, Wobuffet is broken in that fight.
@@RandalfElVikingo Gold Symbols is ludicrously hard, as are the cups in the PWT. However, the reason I specified Battle Revolution for Wii (I think you thought I meant Pokemon Stadium 2 for N64) is because if you can even make it through the powerful weather teams, the final battle contains multiple legendaries. Also, in Battle Revolution, you can only change rentals by winning the Gateway Colloseum and swapping out mons as you go forward, similar to that of the Battle Factory in gen 3. The reason I think that the battle palace (as luck based as it is) might be easier is because you can actively prepare for it by getting the right natures on your mons (despite the odds changing depending on their hp levels). I suppose if you factor in the time required to get good mons, unless you use RNG manip or a cheating program to get them, anything battle frontier related can take the cake. I do wish pokemon had more difficult fights as a whole though.
@@Epzilon12 Ohh, sorry. I have never played Battle Revolutions, I didn't knew you basically had to earn your rentals haha. A lot of Battle Frontier stuff can manageable, I earned Gold in everything in Emerald except Pyramid (nightmare) and Palace (I'm just too lazy to find natures and stuff) and Platinum Frontier is a bit easier (except the Battle Tower) if you know how to play the gimmicks. Pokémon is getting harder fights, the thing is that we are getting older and we don't have as much of a hard time as before (also, we have faced horrible unfair battles, based on our comments haha). Since Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon we're getting proper roided bosses.
You can definitely still find the weather wars on UA-cam poke battlers like pokeaim Haydunn and shofu still have all of there gen 5 battles on UA-cam (the weather wars)
I played a sun based team back then with ninetails, but i liked to include a choice band swampert to surprise and often kill the politoad thinking it had upper hand. Worked more often than you'd think.
I'm seconding the sentiment. Some weeks pokemons get featured that I don't care about, so I end up going without interesting content for a week (the monster episodes like on ferrothorn make up for it tho :) so it's nice to have a little bonus slapped on. Also love the format.
They really need to keep up with them, they still have so many topics they could cover that they've started but haven't continued with. Analysis of certain types and their attributes as a whole, the history of specific moves like Substitute and Taunt, etc. They'd be more work, but I'd love to see them.
Mewtwo was designed and meant to be an overpowered Pokemon for the player to get. Something stupidly strong to be the hardest obstacle to get the full Pokedex and to remark your status as strongest trainer, as you got the ultimate Pokemon Considering how ridicluously overpowered it was, I think they definitely succeeded at designing Mewtwo for this role
That fact alone will always make Mewtwo THE UBER. Modern box art legends just can't compare because they are mandatory encounters that the story feeds you. Not Mewtwo, not only do you have to beat the entire game first, you then also have to have both noticed and remembered that one obscure cave near Cerulean City. Even if you know where to look, you still have to delve to the bottom of the maziest maze in the game while fighting through a gauntlet of the highest-level wild Pokémon. Unless you packed enough repels and a lead actually high enough level to ward off encounters, you'd be battered and bruised before even getting the chance to catch Mewtwo... sure hope you saved that Master Ball.
@@EmeralBookwise The only reason they made zacian and rayquaza so powerful was so they could sell more games. One is a dog, and that is literally its entire gimmick, im a dog, buy me (had to sell the switch somehow), the second is the most popular dragon type besides arguably salamence. I am pretty confident they knew EXACTLY what they were doing when they made them so busted it would actually ruin mainline pokemon competitive. It was the same with mewtwo, after the movie, he was the single most popular pokemon (besides pikachu, but thats why he got his own game). Though gamefreak was not a fan of pikachu immediately, they just didn't argue with Japan. The only thing I have learned about gamefreak, is they have no idea what makes a good game, and they just happened to stumble into success on occasion. That and there's no real true competitor in the video game sphere.
@@goldenhate6649 Rayquaza is more popular than Salamence. And the Switch was selling well even without the Pokemon games. It's just that they want the Pokemon to feel special and for people to feel that they're awesome. While it's not the best for competitive balance.... it is fun as f***. If you play Sword, you get to enjoy using it to crush people... and if you play Shield, you can enjoy one of the best rival teams in the series...
had me thinking you'd leave off Mewtwo there haha. Yeah Zacian is the modern day broken menace but NOTHING compares to gen 1 Mewtwo. It literally takes advantage of and abuses every broken mechanic - the psychic typing, the crit chance tied to speed, amnesia...it's the most horrifying Pokemon to go up against.
That isn't even the end of the story. Imagine putting the mega evolutions on a 154 special defense Mewtwo and Mewtwo getting his full power Amnesia back.
Something I don't ever see mentioned about Zacian is how ridiculous its defensive abilities are. It is strictly bulkier than, and has the same absurd typing as MAGEARNA. Same defense and spdef, and higher HP while having the most insane offensive stats ever. I mean, it takes like 80% from specs Eternatus flamethrower. Like, what.
Same thing with Garchomp. Like, its defenses are on the same level as Corviknight. Its base HP is actually higher than its base Speed (108 vs 102). It can live non-STAB/uninvested Ice-type attacks, even without Yache
Whoever balanced Zacian was clearly high that day. What kind of game designer with any kind of experience would remotely have thought that Zacian would not completely break the game? In contrast, I heard Zamazenta is pretty trash. What the hell, Game Freak?
@@maxmercurythemm827 Heres the thing: The game showcases why its OP, it stopped a Pokemon that not only warped space time just by existing but also had *1125 bst*, be happy Emax Eter isnt obtainable. Even then, its movepool really isnt as great as everyone makes it out to be as it gets checked by the fiery bugs since it has no moves (outside of air slash) to do se dmg, Id argue that Mega Ray was infinitely more busted since it can hold a Roseli Berry to live its Play Miss and strike back hard. I definitely agreee that Zama got shafted though, seriously, why does it not get body press
I remember my first time learning about Mewtwo. Elementary schoolyard some kid was challenging everyone with their Gameboy (even brought his own connecting cables!). My god he blew everyone away just spamming psychic. Our minds couldn't comprehend what that thing was but we all wanted to know where he got it from.
Reminds me of the "How Good was Mewtwo actually?" video. Nothing less epic would fit Gen 1 Mewtwo's legendary status as the singular reason Ubers, and by extension, bans and tiers, exist.
@@alexmills9223 but he created the thing that created the thing that created the thing that turned into the thing that created Mewtwo. (Palkia made Xerneas, Xerneas made Mew, Mew turned into humans, humans created Mewtwo)
I was starting to get a bit mad that Zacian was 1 and Amnesia Mewtwo didn't even appear, but then you got it right at the end as the single most broken singles pokemon, a tittle that it truly deserves :]
All it is is genwunner bias, “mewtwo is better than zacian crowned.” Like good one I don’t remember mewtwo getting banned from Ubers. Funny how ray and zacian did though. It’s gen 1 bias and all that is to it, the list is a joke with that clown ass stunt
I'd love to see more "How good was this move actually?" Since some moves seem to completely shape the meta around them. So like "How good was Baton Pass/Spikes/Dragon Dance/Earthquake actually?"
For the Zacian entry, you forgot that Behemoth Blade doubled from 100 to 200 base power if the opponent decided to dynamax/gigantimax in order to try and beat it, which is double the reason why Zacian Crowned was banned. Regular Zacian got banned because it could viably run a choice band set and cleave stall teams as a free plus 2 in attack was not to be understated. The only true counter most of the time was choice scarf Ditto.
@@farhanakhtar02 Quagsire was forced into a lose lose situation of attrition where he could not come in as a direct switch in otherwise he’s already down to 51% health or god forbid lower, then two shot. That means you sack a Pokémon to bring him in which was not healthy for the meta at all
I would love to see "where are they now" reviews on interesting pokemon from your old videos that were a little OU focused and what not and see what happened to them. Any pokemon that had drastic tier shifting or just anything surprising happen, you know, reuse a bit of those older mons that didn't get the quality you now output videos with
@@jaschabull2365 again, those were entire remakes. I want to see what happened in Gen 8 with Pokemon that were covered when Gen 7 was still new. I don't need a rehash on their earlier gens unless something egregious was missed or something drastic has changed since the last time we checked in, I just want some short segments updating a few pokemon at a time
@@Mitjitsu sure those could wear off belly drum Snorlax, but there's only one option of entry hazard to complement fazing strats, and the entry hazard, Spikes, wasn't at its peak in gen 2 because you could only set up 1 layer, which a Snorlax with leftovers could recover from easily
@@Mitjitsu Yeah, and Skarm and Steelix are heavily stung by Fire Blast and Raikou fears EQ (and even without, Return or Double Edge are really not a fun sight), so depending on the set the phasing isn't really free, and unless you used Toxic on Snorlax, it takes a while to weather it down with just a layer of spikes, so I wouldn't consider it "shutting it down" in the slightest, if it were this easy to deal with it, it wouldn't be the best Pokemon in Uber
I feel like Gen 3 Kyogre deserves an honorable mention at least. It was about as dominant in ubers as Ttar was in OU. Unlike Ttar or its Uber competition Groudon it actually turned its weather into a massive attack boost to its STAB which was so dangerous that even Blissey couldn't switch into specs Water Spout. Every team had to be a rain team or counter a rain team, which were better than sun teams regardless of also having the dominant weather setter.
I feel like the meta adapted to it and had better ways to counterplay, since there were lots of swift swim users to give it a harder time, also water absorb - specially Quagsire, who could also take no damage from Thunder. It's still broken, but had at least some form of counterplay other than praying
Imagine gen 3 and choice specs 😂 if only lol. Kyogre was still strong I'm sure but there were plenty of counters for it. Quagsire of all things is a good one lol so was Ludicolo.
@@MrZahsome I guess I forgot specs didn't get added when band did and I was thinking of how dominant Kyogre still was in Gen 4. Still Kyogre was dominant to at least the same extent in Ubers as Ttar in OU and even without Specs few things wanted to switch into Water Spout, and you could run Calm Mind to make Water Spout or Surf do ridiculous damage. Quagsire was terrified of HP Grass if Kyogre bothered to run it, and neither Quagsire or Ludicolo appreciated Ice Beams off of 150 special attack. Both of them were only used in Ubers because of how little could deal with Kyogre, which kind of accentuates how much the metagame revolved around it.
When the vid mentioned Quagsire I was like "Oh I have to see the comments." I love how the derpy little mudfish is like "Tiers? lol" through all the generations but in particular 3 and 4 for walling Kyogre. I so very much want to see False Swipe come back and be like "So, uh, Quagsire's just been doing his thing and I'll commentate when I'm not confused."
@@Jauntie_J It was niche. It still somewhat feared Specs Kyogre (Ice Beam 3HKOs it and you could probably just slap HP Grass onto it if Quagsire became a significant enough threat) until it got access to Recover.
@@mrsuperheatran2794 still wouldn't be anywhere NEAR as OP since Body Press can definitely be predictable and is (I think) the only *attack* that uses the Defense stat instead of the Attack stat.
Note: When it comes to Gen 1 Tauros, that's only really true if you're playing on cartridge. If you're playing through Stadium crit rates were nerfed, rest was buffed, and Hyperbeam was fixed. This altogether dropped Tauros from being the the absolute mad lad MVP to to maybe only the third best behind Exeggutor and Chansey.
My Tauros v your Eggs and/or Chansey, let's go Though.... also..... You did mention crit rates being "nerfed" - ... yes. equally. ...across the board. ie functionally Tauros's crit rate is still equally proportionally above the rest of the pack. Sssssooooo....... Statistically speaking.............. Ya know.... Pretty simple maths..... When the proportion is exactly the same, ya know..................................... In gen 1 main series crit = 1/2 base speed. In stadium crit = 19 + 1/4 base speed. It's.... Yeh, that's a nerf, but the formula is still based on speed such that Tauros still holds a proportionally equal place above the rest. Sure that means fewer battles will feature as many crits, but it still means Tauros is crit'ing that much more than any others. Like... Tauros's crit rate was nerf'd, but only in exact proportion to everybody else's. The reason it matters in later gens is because the specific "nerf" means it no longer bases on speed, such that - .... I mean surely you get it by now, right........................................? ...please...?
Genuinely one of the best top 5 list videos without being click baity or bloated for real reason. High quality front to back, thank you guys for all the hard work you put into this
You probably haven’t seen the episode as it’s banned but it was UNlucky. He never once threw a ball at a Tauros they just kept getting in the way of what he was after.
@@Skullhawk13 i believe the first one was on purpose lol, then all the rest were him trying to hit like a rhydon or something and a bunch of tauros' kept running in the way as you said
Fun bit of trivia: There are a lot more Glitch Pokemon in Gen 1 than Missingno, and the best of them (particularly the ones named "P" and "C1") are *WAY* stronger than Mewtwo, at least by base stats. In modern generations (with Special being split into two stats) they'd push 900 base stat totals. Big Yellow has an amazing video on them (ua-cam.com/video/_2gOWnAcfeE/v-deo.html).
I mean by definition they are literally more broken than Mewtwo since the can use Glitch Attacks which have random chances of just crashing the bloody game.
Honestly what were they thinking in making Zacian? Amazing type combo, fantastic stab that gets stronger when the enemy is dynamaxed🙃(aka the main gimmick of the game), free attack boost on 170 ATK🫠, great coverage and literally the only thing that could wall it safely is unaware Quag and even then it has to recover🗿
@@grixan8012 If it had like a recover move, king shield, and 170 defense and 130 spdef or something like that then yeah. It had the potential to be the perfect wall
@@AuroraBoost If it’s pre nerf King’s Shield that would be a huge help, and Shield should honestly be way better everyone was gonna be buying Sword cause swords are cool
Okay so I was about to call bs on Zacian being the most broken ever. I was thinking, "I remember the How Good Was Mewtwo Actually" video and it convinced me that it was ridiculously broken. And you didn't disappoint. Gen 1 Mewtwo is one of the most broken characters across all video games. I've rarely seen something put the literal fear in so many people. That is what Gen 1 Mewtwo was. Snorlax getting #3 was fair too and it makes me mad that GameFreak gave Snorlax nothing.
snorlax still stayed a good mon! if you were familiar with VGC17 its belly drum set was amazing, taking advantage of the combination of pinch berries restoring 50% health at 25% health or lower (these include iapapa, figy, wiki, mago, and aguav) and its ability gluttony allowing it to consume pinch berries when it hit 50% health. it was one of the best mons for an entire year as well as being the reason why pinch berriess had to be nerfed in SwSh.
Here's to hoping for a glorious remake in the form of "How Great was Tyranitar actually?" From its origins in Gen 2, to it's undisputed achievement of being the greatest most tier defining Pokemon of the Advanced Generation, to its Gen 4 days of Stealth Rock, offense and defense with the sandstorm buff as well as competition with Hippowdon, to its role in the epic weather wars of BW where it fought as part of Sand Offense, to it's awesome Mega-Evolution in the sixth generation and more. Tyranitar deserves the chance to show its magnificence.
@@123495734 No. Only once - several years ago. It was a 13-minute video (one of the longest at the time), which covered Gens 2-6. Now, with much better quality of FSG's videos, two additional Gens, covering VGC, both normal and Mega being viable in OU, being an icon of Gen 3 and 5... It's gonna be at least 90 minutes, I think (As Arceus and Ferrothorn had around an hour)
@@Oscarus4250 arceus was only half an hour, ferrothorn was an hour, and those two only had 4 gens to show their stuff t-tar meanwhile has 7 generations of usage, along with vgc, so if it doesn't break 2 hours i will be shocked
@@mr.dudley3484 Yeah, VGC is a good shout - Tyranitar is an absolute titan in every VGC season it's allowed. That'll take quite some time to talk about.
The fact that they could have easily nerf'd Mega Rayquaza quite a lot just by stopping it from holding items tells you that they WANTED it to be broken...
Mega Ray>Zacian-C considering it competed in a harder metagame with megas, primals, and no dexit to remove threats like Arceus. It got removed from Ubers much quicker than Zacian, and set the precedent for Zacian to follow.
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@@Natesuo in Nat dex ag Zacian is strictly better than mega Ray. Primal Groudon is also ineffective as a check due to a lack of recovery. Sure the gen 6 and 7 metagames had more power creep than gen 8, but zacian is a better Pokemon than mega ray. Rays most spammable move causes it to swap out orbit dies to priority. Zacians most spammable move, while weaker, has no drawback and negates the concept of dynamax
Video ideas: - How GOOD was the Eviolite ACTUALLY? - What is the best item introduces in each generation? - STRONGEST Pokémon of each type - How GOOD was the ... type ACTUALLY?
Gen 1: N/A Gen 2: Leftovers Gen 3: Choice Band (or Soul Dew if we're talking specific Pokemon) Gen 4: Choice Scarf Gen 5: Eviolite? Pre Knock Off spam this made a lot of previously meh Pokemon much better. If not, Flying Gem/other specific Gem. Gen 6: Assault Vest (or Red Orb if we're talking specific Pokemon) Gen 7: Either a specific Z crystal or a specific 50% HP pinch berry (though they technically weren't introduced, just buffed) Gen 8: Heavy Duty Boots
If I had a penny for everytime Exeggutor was considered the fourth best Pokemon in a metagame for over 15 years then dropped in viability and lost this place in the last decade, I'd have two pennies. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird it's happened twice
I was about to be mad when it ended with Zacian because that's just nothing compared to the old 999 Special Mewtwo set but then justice was served. Great video!
mewtwo is still broken and banned competitively for a reason but just saying 999 was only impressive in gen 1 cause it was the limit, alot of legal mons now get way over that when stacking setup moves cause the game doesnt start to break past that point anymore
@@JubioHDX thats the point gen 1 mewtwo was the most overpowered pokemon of all time sd=sa best type in the game only type to resist its stab was psychic the only counter it had was itself plus gen 1 mechanics in gen 1 even if it was brought to new gens with the same mechanics in gen 1 hitting every type neutral except psychic, immune to ghost and neutral to dark bc it didnt exist, and double calm mind with equal sd and sa and yes would still be a little nerfed due to power creep and stronger bug moves plus high crit chance over 25% still would dominate now maybe not number 1 but still probably banned to ag even after the unadvoidable nerfs because of power creep think they need just need to bring it back as a new form of mewtwo bc it was severly nerfed starting in gen 2 and he never left ubers despite all the nerfs it recieved
I was getting ready to comment “where’s Mewtwo?” When I saw Zacian as number 1 with numbers 5-2 having no Mewtwo but I decided to wait till the end of the video. Then I saw Number 0 and it all come together Would love to see this for doubles too. Heading about the power of a certain Fairy Deer would certainly be a blast
It would be interesting to see how gen 1 mewtwo would do now if they made gen 1 amnesia like a signature move for it and raised its special defense back up and replaced its ability with something to 4x its crit chance.
Hear me out...give Mewtwo a Mega Mewtwo Z with Simple (so every Calm Mind _is_ 2 Calm Minds) that gives +64 Sp. Def to restore its RBY Special and +36 in Speed to return to constantly outspeeding, and a second signature move that's 90 but always crits, has 34% chance to drop Sp. Atk _and_ Sp. Def, and ignores Resistances and Immunities while still hitting Weaknesses.
@@autobotstarscream765 Still weak to Dark, Ghost (the only viable move back then was Lick, nothing Shadow Ball tier) and Bug (back then the best options were Twineedle Beedrill and Pin Missile Jolteon, nothing like Megahorn and Bug Buzz)
This was an unexpected but really GREAT video! Hope to see something similar in Doubles and an actual WORST fully evolved Pokémon TOP5 (or Bottom5, whatever works) Really cool video, and prayers for poor old Bastiodon
I like this kind of video format, also nice having a double upload today Oh yeah also if you were to put Gen 1 Mewtwo's stats into modern terms it'd have a higher base stat total than _Arceus_ because its Sp. Def would be the same as its high Sp. Atk
I'd like to see you continue your "How good was the [Type]" series, actually. I think a video on the Rock-type in particular can help shed some light on what makes Stealth Rock in particular so pernicious in comparison to its hazardous bretheren.
Stealth Rock is the best hazard because almost nothing is immune to it, unlike Spikes with all the Flying types and Levitate users in the game, and because of how wide a distribution it has compared to spikes, along with the fact that on average Stealth Rock will do more damage than a layer of Spikes because some things get hit for 25% or 50% of their hp. Spikes can only really compete with Stealth Rocks when you spend multiple turns setting it up.
"Tyranitar isn't perfect, it sometimes spends too much time volunteering, occasionally it'll hit someone with its car" - That reference came out of nowhere but had me rolling
With Mega Rayquaza, there's a significant part you didn't mention, which is extreme speed. With a single dragon dance, Rayquaza could outspeed *anything*. So even if someone is using priority moves, even other pokemon like Arceus using extreme speed, it could always hit first. This made it incredible at dealing with many of the most frustrating sweepers and a reliable way to beat out dangerous pokemon on low health. You could know that it would always hit first.
Dragon Ascent is Rayquaza's signature move but ExtremeSpeed is its greatest move. Dragon Ascent's drawback is the Defence and Special Defence drop, which can become problematic if it's used too many times. ExtremeSpeed's only drawback and that it can't hit Ghost types, something that isn't much of a problem because Rayquaza can crush Ghosts with its coverage moves anyway. Aside from that, ExtremeSpeed is a perfect attack. It has 80 base power, which makes it twice as powerful as all other priority moves apart from First Impression and Sucker Punch, and from Generation V onwards it also has +2 priority instead of +1, which means that Rayquaza can outspeed almost anything without using Dragon Dance and literally anything that isn't ExtremeSpeed Deoxys Speed after doing the Dance once.
Man y'all are really stepping your game up! I've always looked forward to Sundays specifically for new mons videos, but these double features are terrific!
Number 5 brings tears of pride to my eyes. Funny to see the king still making it on the list despite how hard he's been hit by power creep. He's still holding on baby.
I understand the workload would've been enormous but this could've been a top 10 list. However, I like this a lot more since my knowledge of comp mons is very "gen 5 and after" centric, around the time power creep stopped kicking in and just started hammering. So if given to me I would've just picked the dog, mega ray, drill, xerneas, extreme killer etc. That's why learning about how incredible Ttar is in ADV despite so many weaknesses was very interesting. Great video.
The only other real contenders that stand out are Garchomp in Gen 4, Primal Groudon, and, as you said, Xerneas. Extreme Killer was strong, but not that strong. In Gen 5 it was outclassed by Arceus-Ghost and Kyogre. In Gen 6 it was outclassed by Xerneas, Primal Groudon, and Mega Ray. In Gen 7 it didn't even reach A+ rank viability, falling behind Groudon, Necrozma-DM, Yveltal, Mega Gengar, Ultra Necrozma, Zygarde-C, Marshadow, Xerneas, and Arceus Ground.
I'd love to see more videos outside of the traditional format; I think getting to look at several Pokémon across multiple generations is a lot more interesting than just looking at one. Plus, it'd be great to see more analyses of competitive moves or formats (such as recoil moves or doubles) - just to expand the range of content on the channel. Great video as always!
My sincere kudos: I knew basically everything it was said in the video (bar some details about Snorlax), but it got me glued and eager to hear the next sentence throughout all of it. It was an epic narration, accompanied by fit music. Really really something!
I admit it surprised me too but that's probably because the Arceus we saw in Gen 4 wasn't “complete” due to the EV shenanigans and the other Pokemon have more well-known fame. Just my guess though.
Arceus had no such game breaking potential as the contenders on the list in their respective metagames. In same way as gen 4 Garchomp, gen 3 dew latis, gen 3 deoxys-a and what not didn't make the list. All absolute top contenders of their respective tiers? Absolutely! Tier breaking (in 3 cases literal) as the ones on FSG's list? I'm afraid not.
Arceus has actually been a really healthy member of ubers since its introduction. Yes, Arceus can do anything, and yes, Arceus was absolutely a threat, but you can only run 1 Arceus set in any given team (gonna ignore AG for now). No single Arceus set was a world beater, not even the fearsome E-Killer, but the raw utility of Arceus as a glue mon ensured that it can find a place on any team. It truly is the ultimate glue mon, but glue never broke anything.
Love the video! Love to see this, but with the lower tiers. It's always wild to see a mon completely dominate a lower tier, since without context hearing how Exploud had a chokehold on a tier is hilarious. One thing to hear about Rayquaza doing it, but really hits different when Linoone does it.
Hop in the postgame of Pokemon Shield is one of the toughest fights in the series. His other Pokemon aren't pushovers, and his Zacian just wrecks everything.
@@T.Hebert I didn't say they were threatening, I said they weren't pushovers. They have good coverage moves that require at least a little thought to beat.
Funfact about Mewtwo. It is the mon with the highest stats ever apart from megas. In gen 1 before the sped atk/def split it had an effective stat total of 744. Even after 28 years, it's still a monster.
I fear what they will end up doing with Koraidon, Miraidon, or some other legendary from the 9th Generation. Don't think it'll be NEARLY as broken and unanimous in both competitive formats as Zacian, but they'll definitely be at the very least outstanding.
@@RoseyPixels GameFreak:They get Speed Boost for an ability. Their Signature moves are a base 100 power and accuracy. The faster they are the more damage they deal.
Awesome special video. The section intros with the consoles were a blast and really kept me hooked. I think it'd be cool to see visual representations of different sets busted mons ran, like the ttar sets you mentioned. As for other video ideas... how about comparisons between members of trios or pairs, like fossil pokemon or the regis?
I really like these videos that focus on more of a concept and not one specific mon. I'd love to see the "How good was X Type" series continue. Heck, maybe a video about the top most impactful changes between generations. Gen 2 > 3 introduced Abilities, gen 4 introduced Stealth Rocks, gen 5 had more accessible weather abilities, gen 6 had Megas and Fairies. Gen 7 had the Tapus and Z moves. Gen 8 had Dexit and Dynamax.
Gen 4 also introduced the Physical / Special split, which was an INCREDIBLE change for mons like Gengar and Gyarados who could finally utilize their STAB efficiently.
Not going to lie, I was half-expecting to see Bidoof or Bibarel with Moody ability somewhere on this list. The time when Bidoof terrorized gen 5 Ubers was a sight to see. Great video once again, keep it coming!
I'd love to see a sequl with the top 5 most broken doubles pokemon, because while some entries might be similar (MRAY and Zacian were pretty good in doubles), many of the amazing doubles pokemon were lower tier in singles. I also think Landorus-therian deserves mention, because while it was never the most broken pokemon in any single generation, it's dominated OU for four straight gens.
I'd be interested in a video about power creep and how it's affected what kind of pokemon/moves are viable. It's often mentioned in your "how good" series that power creep resulted in tier drops and/or a drop in usability, so it would be neat to get some background information on it.
It was definitely centralizing, but not anywhere near the level of the aforementioned Pokemon Ttar Sandstorm in ADV is in itself a more centralizing thing than Garchomp ever was (and a big reason of why Garchomp was so good in DPP was because of Ttar sandstream allowing it to haxx even against what should KO it (like a Starmie Ice Beam or a Scarf Chomp Outrage). If this were a top ten list, it would probably have been included alongside things like gen 6 Xerneas or Aegislash (I would put it much lower on the list, but Aegislash's reign in OU was no fucking joke, such a pain to deal with) probably, but it is not a top 10 list
Now this video was incredibly unexpected and fun to watch. I would love to see extra videos like this in the future such as with the stealth rock and switch moves videos.
I'd love to see more Pokemon competitive top 5/10s, so here's a few ideas Best Untiered Pokemon (Untiered Pokemon that actually have uses in other tiers) Best lower-tier Pokemon in Ubers (stuff like Quagsire, Shedinja and Parasect switching in to Kyogre in Gen 4.) Best niche items Some of your favorite tournament games Etc. Etc. I've been watching since the Gen 1 videos, always love the content! Best Smogon Tour tournament sets.
Love the video!! And love expanding content as well As for lists id like to see a doubles version of this, but thatd be much much harder to make given the nature of it. But especially, I want to see more of the "how good was x type" like you did on ice type with Blunder so long ago!! That video was amazing and I've always wanted another since (I know how much work it must've been)
“Wow, Zacian was so overpowered that it got both of its forms banned from ubers. There probably won’t be something that OP again in a long time.” Calyrex-Shadow getting quick banned from Gen 9 Ubers in less than a day: *B O N J O U R*
quick fun fact for anyone watching this a year later: mewtwo's converted gen 1 BST(with special making it have both 154 special attack and special defense) is 744, which is stronger than even arceus, and in their mega Y form, that goes up to 854 in the gen 1 BST standards. it truly is the strongest pokemon of all time.
I've thought about this for awhile so its nice to finally see a video that touches base on it. Two questions though: First, do you thing Ubers Kyogre deserves a spot, especially in Gen 5 when weather wars were the thing. I feel like this was the defining ubers mon from gen 3 to 5, although it may have not have been as dominant as some of the others, bar maybe gen 5. Second, IF Arceus legend plate makes it into gen 9, does it end up on this list and if so, how high does it go? Does it actually contest Mewtwo?
“DoA was balanced out by making wet tissue paper look durable compared to its base defense and special defense stats” Truer words have almost been spoken
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Fun fact: Snorlax only has a 50% winrate in GSC OU. This is because it's on 100% of teams in GSC OU.
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
In fact, its winrate should be less than 50% because of the occasional draw
@@Mathematiqs If we go by this logic, then it also doesn't have a 100% usage since there are games that can be won before the winner's Snorlax is even revealed (it sounds silly, But Jolteon > Agility > BP > Marowak > SD can win you the game on the spot, yes it takes 3 turns, but in GSC that's definitely doable and if you manage well ....... good luck
@@sephikong8323 It is not a matter of logic, it's a matter of how winrate and usage are defined
@@Mathematiqs I know, hence why Snorlax also has a tendency to have a representation of less than 100% at tournaments because of what I said (and the fact sometimes when a player/team has enough points to pass and they still have a match going, they'll go troll mode and make a Snorlax less team just for the lol since they don't have anything to lose).
But it's still nitpicking, the margin of error for Snorlax rarely goes above 1%, so saying that it has a 100% representation and 50% winrate is still accurate
Regigigas: 160 Attack - - - 100 Speed - - - Normal Typing - - - 110 Defenses ---> Gets slow start
Zacian: 170 Attack - - - 148 Speed - - - Steel/Fairy Typing - - - 115 Defenses ---> Gets an attack boost on switch-in
Seems fair.
Zacian is balanced definitely
Regigigas got nerfed bc its to strong, yet they gave rayquaza a mega. A FUCKING MEGA FOR AN 680 POKEMON/P NO MEGA STONE
Difference is in the year obviously as Pokemon were lot weaker in the old games until Gen 5 power crept the Pokemon so much that OU has been dominated by a Gen 5 Pokemon to this day...
Slow Start is such bullshit, it should really only lower Speed, and not Attack too
Who would be stronger:
a timeless living relic capable of towing entire landmasses across the seas to create continents, or
doggo with big knife
Trick question, doggo is stronger even without the knife.
I loved the initial reaction to Mega Rayquaza getting its own tier. The collective, "how do you get banned from the ban list?!"
And then DPP players said "You can do that? Hell yes, let's move!" and immediately banned Arceus.
Rayquaza and zatian are the pot of greed and monster reborn of Pokemon
@@guineapork6830 Thing is...monster reborn is back at one copy.
@dannybeane2069 its still insane to me how obsurdly powerful a conditionless +1 is so stupidly broken in yugioh lol.
@@loopygordo Mostly in the fact that Yu-gi-oh lacks an in game cost (like Mana or resources) for its cards. The only limiting factor is the number of cards in hand and the 1 normal summon per turn.
Reminder that there's a mode in Stadium 1 where you're asked to defeat ONE RBY Mewtwo with a team of UP TO SIX Pokemon of your choosing. And then there's a rematch where it actually has Amnesia in its moveset, unlike the first fight. RBY Mewtwo was powerful enough to basically be considered an endgame boss on its own.
Gen 2 they had you go 3 on 6 with the 3 680 Pokémon thus far. Gen 1 they had you go SIX on one with Mewtwo. Really says it all. According to GF Gen 1 Mewtwo is just as strong as Hooh, Lugia and Mewtwo COMBINED. And they aren’t wrong.
I mean, he was Design to be. He follow the RPG arquetype of endgame Boss hidden in a optional postgame Dungeon.
He wasn't meant to be balance.
@@mikeclark7026 Yeah, well they nerfed Mewtwo and the Psychic type a lot in Gen II so it wouldn't have been much of a challenge to beat a Mewtwo with 6 Pokemon in Stadium 2. Also, Gen II has more strategies that allow Pokemon to beat Ubers like Mirror Coat, Perish Song, Destiny Bond, RestTalk and Counter, Explosion and all the OHKO moves were buffed too in Gen II, so a 6 vs. 3 Ubers wasn't too unfair. A challenge, but a normal kid would win eventually, at least in Round 1.
@@iss2075 Agreed. In gen 2, Mewtwo was beatable, but his best moveset had him beat entire teams still lol. Round 2 Rival was close to it. Pretty scary with the moveset of Recover, T bolt, Submission, and Psychic/Ice Beam
Also, if you only use rentals, the rematch Mewtwo even outspeeds Electrode.
My favourite summary of Gen 2 Snorlax came from youtuber Big Yellow. "Playing a team without Snorlax isn't being creative or metabreaking. It's called losing"
Lmao
Read that in his voice
Yeah, I loved that, also the smog on analysis is great too
What vid did he say this?
@@Radicaldudej1 creative strategies in Pokémon
Fun fact about gen 1 mewtwo.
His stats were so broken that boosting them with perfect evs could cause an overflown and make his special stat the worse in the game.
DJ Mewtwo
Suffering from success
Ye
I think gen 1 and 2 stats were limited to 999 so trying to boost up past that would cause you to have negative stats or reset you lol.
@@MrZahsome wasnt negative stats, it just resets back to 0. So the overflow makes it so you can have like 9 special attack💀
@@grixan8012 *and* since it's gen 1, you'd also have 9 speical defence, since speical attack and speical defence were the same thing in gen 1
"We dreamed of creating the world's strongest Pokemon.....and we succeeded."
-Dr. Fuji's last words
Truer words have not been said (though Dr. Fuji didn't wasn't killed by mewtwo.)
@@skeepodoop5197 Glad to hear Dr Fuji didn't hadn't weren't wasn't killed by Mewtwo
@@HannibalKantter "I Want To See Mewtwo's Power First Hand...CHRONOMON!!!!"-Professor Haruhiko Kogure,Head Scientist Of The YMIR Project,And Tamer/Creator of Chronomon!"Here Goes...PREPARE YOURSELVES!!!!"Mewtwo VS Chronomon!BEGIN!PSYCHIC VS HOLY FLARE!HYPER BEAM VS CORONA!
@@chimuoma390 Take your meds
@@HannibalKantter I'm Not Crazy Or Lying!I Have A Maxed Out ChronomonHM With 100% Evasion!And Many Powerful Moves Such As Corona,Holy Flare,Sourai,Iron Claws,Armageddon,Eternal Abyss,Absolute Healing,Force Of Life,Plus Many Many More!He Would Beat Mewtwo No Question!I Created Codes For Digimon World DS!I Am A True Tamer King!
Damn poor bastiodon, first having to share a tier with probopass, and now it has to share a Sunday with another video
Jobbertiodon.
Poor guy can never get the spotlight
@@TheBestFormOfHumor Especially since it was removed iirc
@Eminiem vevo I wish I could say “finally, these bots are no longer here” and delete that Cinnamon Roll video
@@albireo2990 I've just been reporting those religion spam videos as pornographic to piss the bot makers off.
There is something about Mewtwo's animations in stadium that describe his powers in gen 1 perfectly
it just screams "peak power" in it, really gives that "this battle is over and you know it" vibes
Yeah, just seeing it in action, you just know you're dealing with the world's strongest Pokemon.
Heck, even when you hit it, it looks like you only succeeding in making it mad, and it's about to rough you up.
what i remember most is that even if you pulled off a miracle and got him to faint, he merely dropped to one knee. every other pokemon has an over dramatic flail-about before falling unconscious, but mewtwo just looked slightly out of breath
Dude is literally doing Dragon Ball Z poses. Absolute Legend.
@@doctorreed_ I managed to freeze him in stadium 1, truly a miracle as items weren't usable in that game
"We dreamed of creating the world's strongest Pokémon...and we succeeded."
-Dr. Fuji
Man. As a kid… that line HIT.
man when heard that and battle one in rby with one of my friends that line hit different.😂😭
dr fuji poppin out straight banngers
well in singles. not in VGC where mewtwo isnt that used (though tbf there was no mewtwo before groudon ans kyogre were added which become more used than mewtwo)
@@wilhelmtan5301
Sure. But if duos existed in Gen 1 it would be the most broken VGC Pokémon of all time as well.
A huge way to take out people in VGC has either been to explode on them, or have both attack at once with really powerful or super effective attacks.
One Amnesia it’s still unkillable. Aerodactyl isn’t doing anything too it, and Jolteon or Electrode could paralyze it, and then instantly die to EQ. So you traded a Pokémon for paralyzing a Mewtwo who is now plus 2 in everything that matters, and is definitely about to rest.
Literally the entire Gen 2 VGC would become which Mewtwo your or your opponents would be fully paralyzed when trying to rest. What an amazing meta game that would be.
I’d love to see a top 5 list of Pokémon that had turnarounds in competitive play. Whether from a new ability, mega-evolution, or typing change. Like Beedrill going from gunning for most useless Pokémon ever to being legitimately viable with its mega.
Venomoth is 100% going on that vid
Pelipper would be in that vid 100%. Drizzle and Hurricane was the best thing to every happen to it.
Ohhh I really like mega beedrill though in my current favorite natdex team I opted for mega pinsir with hyper cutter in base form (mainly for if I wanna play agressively and people have intimidate so it doesnt work before he mega's)
And then the opposite, Pokémon that fell off HARD, such as Skuntank.
@@dejanbeep6293 i would say from sheer improvement alone, mega beedrill is probably the winner
The fact that Pokemon Stadium 1 has a final battle (the rematch just gives Mewtwo Amnesia) which is a 6v1 against Mewtwo is a testament to just how powerful Mewtwo really is.
Hardest boss battle in all Pokémon.
@@RandalfElVikingo I disagree. Given it’s 6v1 and they give you an electrode with Thunder wave (at least If I’m remembering correctly), it gives you a pretty decent start.
You can just run OHKO moves (rentals give you several ) and pray for the 30% chance. If you’re doing it “legitimately” it can be tough for sure, as it involves whittling it down before going for a finishing blow as to not trigger rest. Personally I like to try and use some Flashes on the same electrode to add some RNG into the mix.
I don’t know what it would be because most other fights you can over prepare for. My answer would probably be the final stadium of Round 2 Pokémon Battle Revolution if using rentals
@@Epzilon12 I beat it with Rental Jolteon and Electrode in Round 1. But Round 2 is just too hard with Rentals. I did not knew you could use OHKO, but accuracy in the Stadium games is harsh.
I think the answer we were both looking for is the Elite Four in both Stadium Games or Spencer' Gold Symbol in Emerald. The Rival in R2 was not that hard for me, Wobuffet is broken in that fight.
@@RandalfElVikingo Gold Symbols is ludicrously hard, as are the cups in the PWT. However, the reason I specified Battle Revolution for Wii (I think you thought I meant Pokemon Stadium 2 for N64) is because if you can even make it through the powerful weather teams, the final battle contains multiple legendaries. Also, in Battle Revolution, you can only change rentals by winning the Gateway Colloseum and swapping out mons as you go forward, similar to that of the Battle Factory in gen 3. The reason I think that the battle palace (as luck based as it is) might be easier is because you can actively prepare for it by getting the right natures on your mons (despite the odds changing depending on their hp levels). I suppose if you factor in the time required to get good mons, unless you use RNG manip or a cheating program to get them, anything battle frontier related can take the cake. I do wish pokemon had more difficult fights as a whole though.
@@Epzilon12 Ohh, sorry. I have never played Battle Revolutions, I didn't knew you basically had to earn your rentals haha.
A lot of Battle Frontier stuff can manageable, I earned Gold in everything in Emerald except Pyramid (nightmare) and Palace (I'm just too lazy to find natures and stuff) and Platinum Frontier is a bit easier (except the Battle Tower) if you know how to play the gimmicks.
Pokémon is getting harder fights, the thing is that we are getting older and we don't have as much of a hard time as before (also, we have faced horrible unfair battles, based on our comments haha). Since Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon we're getting proper roided bosses.
I like these special episodes. I'd still love to see "How WILD Were the Weather Wars ACTUALLY?"
They are still going on with gen 5 being a bit of a mess
The weather wars were fun. I think I just like seeing Gen 5 sprites tho
They where wild trust me
You can definitely still find the weather wars on UA-cam poke battlers like pokeaim Haydunn and shofu still have all of there gen 5 battles on UA-cam (the weather wars)
I played a sun based team back then with ninetails, but i liked to include a choice band swampert to surprise and often kill the politoad thinking it had upper hand. Worked more often than you'd think.
These special features are super cool, hope to see more content like this in the future :)
I'm seconding the sentiment. Some weeks pokemons get featured that I don't care about, so I end up going without interesting content for a week (the monster episodes like on ferrothorn make up for it tho :) so it's nice to have a little bonus slapped on. Also love the format.
They really need to keep up with them, they still have so many topics they could cover that they've started but haven't continued with. Analysis of certain types and their attributes as a whole, the history of specific moves like Substitute and Taunt, etc. They'd be more work, but I'd love to see them.
Here here!!
I just want him to do the dragon and psychic type history.
they have to give us top 5 worst now XD
Mewtwo was designed and meant to be an overpowered Pokemon for the player to get. Something stupidly strong to be the hardest obstacle to get the full Pokedex and to remark your status as strongest trainer, as you got the ultimate Pokemon
Considering how ridicluously overpowered it was, I think they definitely succeeded at designing Mewtwo for this role
That fact alone will always make Mewtwo THE UBER.
Modern box art legends just can't compare because they are mandatory encounters that the story feeds you. Not Mewtwo, not only do you have to beat the entire game first, you then also have to have both noticed and remembered that one obscure cave near Cerulean City. Even if you know where to look, you still have to delve to the bottom of the maziest maze in the game while fighting through a gauntlet of the highest-level wild Pokémon. Unless you packed enough repels and a lead actually high enough level to ward off encounters, you'd be battered and bruised before even getting the chance to catch Mewtwo... sure hope you saved that Master Ball.
@@EmeralBookwise The only reason they made zacian and rayquaza so powerful was so they could sell more games. One is a dog, and that is literally its entire gimmick, im a dog, buy me (had to sell the switch somehow), the second is the most popular dragon type besides arguably salamence. I am pretty confident they knew EXACTLY what they were doing when they made them so busted it would actually ruin mainline pokemon competitive. It was the same with mewtwo, after the movie, he was the single most popular pokemon (besides pikachu, but thats why he got his own game). Though gamefreak was not a fan of pikachu immediately, they just didn't argue with Japan.
The only thing I have learned about gamefreak, is they have no idea what makes a good game, and they just happened to stumble into success on occasion. That and there's no real true competitor in the video game sphere.
@@goldenhate6649 Rayquaza is more popular than Salamence.
And the Switch was selling well even without the Pokemon games.
It's just that they want the Pokemon to feel special and for people to feel that they're awesome. While it's not the best for competitive balance.... it is fun as f***.
If you play Sword, you get to enjoy using it to crush people... and if you play Shield, you can enjoy one of the best rival teams in the series...
Even in SV Mewtwo remains in Ubers, where most drop from/to OU.
Mewtwo really is perfect in every possible aspect.
@@TheDeathmail I’m pretty sure Garchomp and Dragonite are more popular than Salamence too.
had me thinking you'd leave off Mewtwo there haha. Yeah Zacian is the modern day broken menace but NOTHING compares to gen 1 Mewtwo. It literally takes advantage of and abuses every broken mechanic - the psychic typing, the crit chance tied to speed, amnesia...it's the most horrifying Pokemon to go up against.
Looking back the first movie where Mewtwo flawlessly rips apart a bunch of Pokémon makes a lot of sense
That isn't even the end of the story. Imagine putting the mega evolutions on a 154 special defense Mewtwo and Mewtwo getting his full power Amnesia back.
And the fact it can abuse Hyper beam and Body slam ;-;
@@Maaarrrrk and self destruct, I think
@@elpatoempatado2404 ye
Something I don't ever see mentioned about Zacian is how ridiculous its defensive abilities are. It is strictly bulkier than, and has the same absurd typing as MAGEARNA. Same defense and spdef, and higher HP while having the most insane offensive stats ever. I mean, it takes like 80% from specs Eternatus flamethrower. Like, what.
i dont like bulky zacian personally especially in vgc. But it has great natural bulk.
Same thing with Garchomp. Like, its defenses are on the same level as Corviknight. Its base HP is actually higher than its base Speed (108 vs 102). It can live non-STAB/uninvested Ice-type attacks, even without Yache
Exactly why they had to ban that mf in gen 4.
Whoever balanced Zacian was clearly high that day. What kind of game designer with any kind of experience would remotely have thought that Zacian would not completely break the game?
In contrast, I heard Zamazenta is pretty trash. What the hell, Game Freak?
@@maxmercurythemm827 Heres the thing:
The game showcases why its OP, it stopped a Pokemon that not only warped space time just by existing but also had *1125 bst*, be happy Emax Eter isnt obtainable. Even then, its movepool really isnt as great as everyone makes it out to be as it gets checked by the fiery bugs since it has no moves (outside of air slash) to do se dmg, Id argue that Mega Ray was infinitely more busted since it can hold a Roseli Berry to live its Play Miss and strike back hard.
I definitely agreee that Zama got shafted though, seriously, why does it not get body press
I remember my first time learning about Mewtwo. Elementary schoolyard some kid was challenging everyone with their Gameboy (even brought his own connecting cables!). My god he blew everyone away just spamming psychic. Our minds couldn't comprehend what that thing was but we all wanted to know where he got it from.
Lmao
Sounds like a very feisty kid,
OH...
I couldn't have waited to see his face when Gen 2 and Umbreon came out...🥴👻
@@AndrewGamer-tz6cc I played through gen2 as a kid and didn't know Umbreon existed until Colosseum!
@@nibblerdoo ...
But... ELITE FOUR'S KAREN HAS ONE...
Was lots of fun helping edit this one 😄 Hope we do more different style videos like this one in the future!
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The intro??? The cover of the colosseum battle theme???? I'm hard?????
You did a great job with the editing, especially displaying the console and game that will be used for the footage.
Way to get them impressions up son
I actually got chills when the final Pokemon was introduced. That was a very powerful scene you guys set up.
Instantly looked up the track they used as well haha
As a 90s kid, that was the most amazing thing I've ever seen since the battle Pikachu vs Raichu. I teared up
Me too!
yeah, it was super well done!
Reminds me of the "How Good was Mewtwo actually?" video. Nothing less epic would fit Gen 1 Mewtwo's legendary status as the singular reason Ubers, and by extension, bans and tiers, exist.
Regarding Mega Rayquaza, both Zacians, and Gen 1 Mewtwo: "Do you think Arceus stays in the Hall of Origin because he, too, fears what he's created?"
I don’t think so, he joined Rayquaza and was there to greet/stonewall/OHKO Zacian in Anything Goes
Technically, Arceus didn't create Mewtwo.
@@alexmills9223 but he created the thing that created the thing that created the thing that turned into the thing that created Mewtwo.
(Palkia made Xerneas, Xerneas made Mew, Mew turned into humans, humans created Mewtwo)
I wonder if gen 4 arceus was ever released/legal he would be on this vid
@@SoyFelipeCTM gen 4 arceus was infact a thing, it just couldn't unleash it's full potential due to how EVs worked.
I was starting to get a bit mad that Zacian was 1 and Amnesia Mewtwo didn't even appear, but then you got it right at the end as the single most broken singles pokemon, a tittle that it truly deserves :]
Fitting with how unpredictable Mewtwo is
So broken he broke the rankings.
@@ZorotheGallade that is actually a pretty ingenious logic lmao
true Most BROKEN Pokemon cannot be #1 must be #0 to be true Most BROKEN Pokemon all time
All it is is genwunner bias, “mewtwo is better than zacian crowned.” Like good one I don’t remember mewtwo getting banned from Ubers. Funny how ray and zacian did though. It’s gen 1 bias and all that is to it, the list is a joke with that clown ass stunt
I'd love to see more "How good was this move actually?" Since some moves seem to completely shape the meta around them. So like "How good was Baton Pass/Spikes/Dragon Dance/Earthquake actually?"
The fucking Stealth Rock episode would be a day long eulogy of pretty much all semi-viable fire and flying type.
@@MrMysteryreviewer There's already a Stealth Rock video. It's only 17 minutes long
Scald would prob be 20-30 mins long
dragon dance would just be “oh yeah it’s broken”
God I want a baton pass strategy so bad. I love that broken PoS
For the Zacian entry, you forgot that Behemoth Blade doubled from 100 to 200 base power if the opponent decided to dynamax/gigantimax in order to try and beat it, which is double the reason why Zacian Crowned was banned. Regular Zacian got banned because it could viably run a choice band set and cleave stall teams as a free plus 2 in attack was not to be understated. The only true counter most of the time was choice scarf Ditto.
And Quagsire
@@farhanakhtar02 Quagsire was forced into a lose lose situation of attrition where he could not come in as a direct switch in otherwise he’s already down to 51% health or god forbid lower, then two shot. That means you sack a Pokémon to bring him in which was not healthy for the meta at all
For the record it would be plus 2.25, band multiplies with stat stages
I would love to see "where are they now" reviews on interesting pokemon from your old videos that were a little OU focused and what not and see what happened to them. Any pokemon that had drastic tier shifting or just anything surprising happen, you know, reuse a bit of those older mons that didn't get the quality you now output videos with
Don't remakes do that while also refining the entire video
@@TheBestFormOfHumor they seem to be for fixing egregious mistake and I'm meaning more shorter segments in a single video
This is a decent idea
We've seen a few of those before, like tauros and dragonite, so it seems very possible there are more of such videos to come!
@@jaschabull2365 again, those were entire remakes. I want to see what happened in Gen 8 with Pokemon that were covered when Gen 7 was still new. I don't need a rehash on their earlier gens unless something egregious was missed or something drastic has changed since the last time we checked in, I just want some short segments updating a few pokemon at a time
“In gen 2, it’s not Snorlax and friends, it’s Snorlax and the few lucky enough to be spared from his wrath.”
-Big Yellow
“And no, a team without Snorlax is not being creative, it’s called losing”
-Also Big Yellow
You can use phasers to shut down Snorlax in Gen 2. By running Pokémon like Skarmory, Raikou and Steelix.
@@Mitjitsu sure those could wear off belly drum Snorlax, but there's only one option of entry hazard to complement fazing strats, and the entry hazard, Spikes, wasn't at its peak in gen 2 because you could only set up 1 layer, which a Snorlax with leftovers could recover from easily
@@Mitjitsu Yeah, and Skarm and Steelix are heavily stung by Fire Blast and Raikou fears EQ (and even without, Return or Double Edge are really not a fun sight), so depending on the set the phasing isn't really free, and unless you used Toxic on Snorlax, it takes a while to weather it down with just a layer of spikes, so I wouldn't consider it "shutting it down" in the slightest, if it were this easy to deal with it, it wouldn't be the best Pokemon in Uber
@@Mitjitsu you cant shut down snorlax in gen 2, you can just slow it down from devouring every bit of your soul
I feel like Gen 3 Kyogre deserves an honorable mention at least. It was about as dominant in ubers as Ttar was in OU. Unlike Ttar or its Uber competition Groudon it actually turned its weather into a massive attack boost to its STAB which was so dangerous that even Blissey couldn't switch into specs Water Spout. Every team had to be a rain team or counter a rain team, which were better than sun teams regardless of also having the dominant weather setter.
I feel like the meta adapted to it and had better ways to counterplay, since there were lots of swift swim users to give it a harder time, also water absorb - specially Quagsire, who could also take no damage from Thunder. It's still broken, but had at least some form of counterplay other than praying
Weather was already busted in the format and he is the best rain setter ever
Since you mentioned Specs, Gen 3 should be omitted.
Imagine gen 3 and choice specs 😂 if only lol. Kyogre was still strong I'm sure but there were plenty of counters for it. Quagsire of all things is a good one lol so was Ludicolo.
@@MrZahsome I guess I forgot specs didn't get added when band did and I was thinking of how dominant Kyogre still was in Gen 4. Still Kyogre was dominant to at least the same extent in Ubers as Ttar in OU and even without Specs few things wanted to switch into Water Spout, and you could run Calm Mind to make Water Spout or Surf do ridiculous damage. Quagsire was terrified of HP Grass if Kyogre bothered to run it, and neither Quagsire or Ludicolo appreciated Ice Beams off of 150 special attack. Both of them were only used in Ubers because of how little could deal with Kyogre, which kind of accentuates how much the metagame revolved around it.
I like how Quagsire existing makes it so that Zacian is less broken than Mewtwo, at least within the context of their respective metagames.
quagsire's power level is beyond comprehension
@@ozzone719 he is the -1 pokemon of the list
Thank you for mentioning my favorite Pokemon.
When the vid mentioned Quagsire I was like "Oh I have to see the comments." I love how the derpy little mudfish is like "Tiers? lol" through all the generations but in particular 3 and 4 for walling Kyogre. I so very much want to see False Swipe come back and be like "So, uh, Quagsire's just been doing his thing and I'll commentate when I'm not confused."
@@Jauntie_J It was niche. It still somewhat feared Specs Kyogre (Ice Beam 3HKOs it and you could probably just slap HP Grass onto it if Quagsire became a significant enough threat) until it got access to Recover.
Gamefreak: “we aren’t including most of the Pokemon because uhh, balancing reasons”
Also Gamefreak: *adds crowned Zacian and added back most Ubers*
Well, if the mascot legendaries weren't OP in their debut generations why even bother putting them on the box?
@@verylostdoommarauder Counterpoint: Zamazenta. Compared to Zacian, it's nowhere near OP.
@@peardude8979 If Zamazenta actually had Body Press it'd definitely be a lot better.
@@mrsuperheatran2794 still wouldn't be anywhere NEAR as OP since Body Press can definitely be predictable and is (I think) the only *attack* that uses the Defense stat instead of the Attack stat.
Just add back the orbs and zacian is can be much easier to check. I still stand that overall the gen 7 is just a stronger metagame then gen 8.
Note: When it comes to Gen 1 Tauros, that's only really true if you're playing on cartridge. If you're playing through Stadium crit rates were nerfed, rest was buffed, and Hyperbeam was fixed. This altogether dropped Tauros from being the the absolute mad lad MVP to to maybe only the third best behind Exeggutor and Chansey.
My Tauros v your Eggs and/or Chansey, let's go
Though.... also..... You did mention crit rates being "nerfed" - ... yes. equally. ...across the board. ie functionally Tauros's crit rate is still equally proportionally above the rest of the pack. Sssssooooo....... Statistically speaking.............. Ya know.... Pretty simple maths..... When the proportion is exactly the same, ya know..................................... In gen 1 main series crit = 1/2 base speed. In stadium crit = 19 + 1/4 base speed. It's.... Yeh, that's a nerf, but the formula is still based on speed such that Tauros still holds a proportionally equal place above the rest. Sure that means fewer battles will feature as many crits, but it still means Tauros is crit'ing that much more than any others. Like... Tauros's crit rate was nerf'd, but only in exact proportion to everybody else's. The reason it matters in later gens is because the specific "nerf" means it no longer bases on speed, such that - .... I mean surely you get it by now, right........................................? ...please...?
Grammar
Yeah Hyper Beam was fixed in Stadium, that's why even Kingler can't abuse it
Genuinely one of the best top 5 list videos without being click baity or bloated for real reason. High quality front to back, thank you guys for all the hard work you put into this
The most intetesting thing about these videos, are that they differ alot from the main games. Keep up the good work!
@scale Quit spamming.
hollow knight is reddit the game
@@Quix0tic707 It's a bot. It's not going to listen to you.
@@kageakiminato8536don’t care that this is late but this is the furthest from the truth statement I’ve heard
@@personexisting123 i only speak uncomfortable truths
Imagine that Tauros was this powerful on gen 1 and really rare and hard to capture, makes you think Ash is really damn lucky to have 30 of these lol.
You probably haven’t seen the episode as it’s banned but it was UNlucky. He never once threw a ball at a Tauros they just kept getting in the way of what he was after.
and yet he sticks with pikachu\
@@Skullhawk13 i believe the first one was on purpose lol, then all the rest were him trying to hit like a rhydon or something and a bunch of tauros' kept running in the way as you said
@@JubioHDX I’ve never seen the episode either, I just read about it. So cannot confirm if he caught 1 on purpose
It also helped carry Ash in his pokemon league challenges too lol.
Fun bit of trivia: There are a lot more Glitch Pokemon in Gen 1 than Missingno, and the best of them (particularly the ones named "P" and "C1") are *WAY* stronger than Mewtwo, at least by base stats. In modern generations (with Special being split into two stats) they'd push 900 base stat totals.
Big Yellow has an amazing video on them (ua-cam.com/video/_2gOWnAcfeE/v-deo.html).
@scale bot
94 was also VERY op
I mean by definition they are literally more broken than Mewtwo since the can use Glitch Attacks which have random chances of just crashing the bloody game.
A Big Yellow fan?
@@fawfulmark2 those moves would be banned for being what they are
Honestly what were they thinking in making Zacian? Amazing type combo, fantastic stab that gets stronger when the enemy is dynamaxed🙃(aka the main gimmick of the game), free attack boost on 170 ATK🫠, great coverage and literally the only thing that could wall it safely is unaware Quag and even then it has to recover🗿
The pokemon was literally made to destroy everything on sight
@@AuroraBoost a part of me wants Zamazenta to be the wall of all walls, something to somewhat mitigate Zacian but yea💀
@@grixan8012 If it had like a recover move, king shield, and 170 defense and 130 spdef or something like that then yeah. It had the potential to be the perfect wall
@@AuroraBoost If it’s pre nerf King’s Shield that would be a huge help, and Shield should honestly be way better everyone was gonna be buying Sword cause swords are cool
@@AuroraBoost when you come to it, you cant go through it and you cant knock it down, you'll know that you found, *the wall, The Wall, THE WALL*
Fun fact: Gen1 Mewtwo had the BST equivalent of over 750
Okay so I was about to call bs on Zacian being the most broken ever. I was thinking, "I remember the How Good Was Mewtwo Actually" video and it convinced me that it was ridiculously broken. And you didn't disappoint. Gen 1 Mewtwo is one of the most broken characters across all video games. I've rarely seen something put the literal fear in so many people. That is what Gen 1 Mewtwo was. Snorlax getting #3 was fair too and it makes me mad that GameFreak gave Snorlax nothing.
Snorlax upgrade: It now gets slackoff and comatose
snorlax still stayed a good mon! if you were familiar with VGC17 its belly drum set was amazing, taking advantage of the combination of pinch berries restoring 50% health at 25% health or lower (these include iapapa, figy, wiki, mago, and aguav) and its ability gluttony allowing it to consume pinch berries when it hit 50% health. it was one of the best mons for an entire year as well as being the reason why pinch berriess had to be nerfed in SwSh.
I'd say Zacian isn't even better than Mega Ray. It has less utility and has a lot more unwinnable matchups than Mega Ray.
@@kstiemsma In which way where berries nerfed tho?
@@wertyxq3468 it got nerfed from restoring 1/2 to only restoring 1/3 of the total HP
Here's to hoping for a glorious remake in the form of "How Great was Tyranitar actually?" From its origins in Gen 2, to it's undisputed achievement of being the greatest most tier defining Pokemon of the Advanced Generation, to its Gen 4 days of Stealth Rock, offense and defense with the sandstorm buff as well as competition with Hippowdon, to its role in the epic weather wars of BW where it fought as part of Sand Offense, to it's awesome Mega-Evolution in the sixth generation and more.
Tyranitar deserves the chance to show its magnificence.
@@123495734 No. Only once - several years ago.
It was a 13-minute video (one of the longest at the time), which covered Gens 2-6.
Now, with much better quality of FSG's videos, two additional Gens, covering VGC, both normal and Mega being viable in OU, being an icon of Gen 3 and 5...
It's gonna be at least 90 minutes, I think (As Arceus and Ferrothorn had around an hour)
@@Oscarus4250 arceus was only half an hour, ferrothorn was an hour, and those two only had 4 gens to show their stuff
t-tar meanwhile has 7 generations of usage, along with vgc, so if it doesn't break 2 hours i will be shocked
@@mr.dudley3484 Yeah, VGC is a good shout - Tyranitar is an absolute titan in every VGC season it's allowed. That'll take quite some time to talk about.
Ttar is the King of ADV, and the Hero we need in BW OU, basically the only mon making the tier playable
How CONSISTENTLY META DEFINING was Tyranitar actually ? will be a 1:30:00 video. I can't wait for the day it comes.
"Everything about the meta game revolves around sand!"
*Heavy breathing and lightsaber ignition sounds*
I guess repeating "Bastiodon was outclassed by Probopass" a few times would be kind of anticlimactic for a video on Sunday...
Yay a second upload today! I was sad that bastiodon was so bad so this is perfect. Thanks for all your hard work :D
@yo Depp Stop self promoting trash
@yo Depp yeah this ratio is finally here
The fact that they could have easily nerf'd Mega Rayquaza quite a lot just by stopping it from holding items tells you that they WANTED it to be broken...
Even the Pokémon company loves rayquaza
I think it’s pretty disappointing that basically no major trainer uses Tauros in RBY or even GSC
Professor oak’s battle if you hack the game contains tauros!
@@rubadub15 you don't need to hack . Trainer fly glitch gets you there
@@rubadub15 Professor Oak was 5 paralel universes ahead of everyone else lmao
Bruno having Taurus instead of onix would have been pretty sick
I use a Tauros. Take advantage of his anger point ability and hit em with frost breath for guaranteed crit. And proceed to dominate. 😁
The part about Tyranitar makes me want a remake for it's analysis so much more
Mega Ray>Zacian-C considering it competed in a harder metagame with megas, primals, and no dexit to remove threats like Arceus. It got removed from Ubers much quicker than Zacian, and set the precedent for Zacian to follow.
I agree
Primal groudon seems like a great check to zacian.
Mega ray had no checks to its different sets.
@@Natesuo Chronomon Holy Mode Beats Both In My Opinion!Have You Played Digimon World DS,Dawn,And Dusk?!?!?Holy Flare!Corona Blast!Chrono DSR!Mega Ray Died!Zacian Died!
@@chimuoma390 my brother in Christ what in heavens name are you talking about?
@@KittyCatViolet379 I Love The Digimon Games!I Am A Hacker Of Digimon World DS/Dawn/Dusk And The Battle Spirit Games!My ChronomonHM Team Is Hacked To Be Omnipotent!I Have Move Mods,Trait Mods,And 100% Evasion!No One Can Beat Them!
@@Natesuo in Nat dex ag Zacian is strictly better than mega Ray. Primal Groudon is also ineffective as a check due to a lack of recovery. Sure the gen 6 and 7 metagames had more power creep than gen 8, but zacian is a better Pokemon than mega ray. Rays most spammable move causes it to swap out orbit dies to priority. Zacians most spammable move, while weaker, has no drawback and negates the concept of dynamax
Video ideas:
- How GOOD was the Eviolite ACTUALLY?
- What is the best item introduces in each generation?
- STRONGEST Pokémon of each type
- How GOOD was the ... type ACTUALLY?
Gen 1: N/A
Gen 2: Leftovers
Gen 3: Choice Band (or Soul Dew if we're talking specific Pokemon)
Gen 4: Choice Scarf
Gen 5: Eviolite? Pre Knock Off spam this made a lot of previously meh Pokemon much better. If not, Flying Gem/other specific Gem.
Gen 6: Assault Vest (or Red Orb if we're talking specific Pokemon)
Gen 7: Either a specific Z crystal or a specific 50% HP pinch berry (though they technically weren't introduced, just buffed)
Gen 8: Heavy Duty Boots
@@long_john Gen 1: Bike, Master Ball, Rare Candy, Max Repel.
Exeggutor is no longer on the Elite 4 in RBY. It has fallen to A tier, so now it is on par with Starmie and Alakazam.
Hes talking about the ideology back then, not necessarily what is current i think.
If I had a penny for everytime Exeggutor was considered the fourth best Pokemon in a metagame for over 15 years then dropped in viability and lost this place in the last decade, I'd have two pennies.
Which isn't a lot, but it's weird it's happened twice
@@sephikong8323 Golem left the top 10 in RBY before making his way into the top 10 in GSC. Coincidence? I think not!
I was about to be mad when it ended with Zacian because that's just nothing compared to the old 999 Special Mewtwo set but then justice was served. Great video!
mewtwo is still broken and banned competitively for a reason but just saying 999 was only impressive in gen 1 cause it was the limit, alot of legal mons now get way over that when stacking setup moves cause the game doesnt start to break past that point anymore
@@JubioHDX thats the point gen 1 mewtwo was the most overpowered pokemon of all time sd=sa best type in the game only type to resist its stab was psychic the only counter it had was itself plus gen 1 mechanics in gen 1 even if it was brought to new gens with the same mechanics in gen 1 hitting every type neutral except psychic, immune to ghost and neutral to dark bc it didnt exist, and double calm mind with equal sd and sa and yes would still be a little nerfed due to power creep and stronger bug moves plus high crit chance over 25% still would dominate now maybe not number 1 but still probably banned to ag even after the unadvoidable nerfs because of power creep think they need just need to bring it back as a new form of mewtwo bc it was severly nerfed starting in gen 2 and he never left ubers despite all the nerfs it recieved
I was getting ready to comment “where’s Mewtwo?” When I saw Zacian as number 1 with numbers 5-2 having no Mewtwo but I decided to wait till the end of the video. Then I saw Number 0 and it all come together
Would love to see this for doubles too. Heading about the power of a certain Fairy Deer would certainly be a blast
We need that "how good was ice type part:2" but for now this will suffice
nICE pun
How good was Ice type in Gen 8 AG?
"dog"
It would be interesting to see how gen 1 mewtwo would do now if they made gen 1 amnesia like a signature move for it and raised its special defense back up and replaced its ability with something to 4x its crit chance.
Mewtwo will always reign supreme! All hail!
Hear me out...give Mewtwo a Mega Mewtwo Z with Simple (so every Calm Mind _is_ 2 Calm Minds) that gives +64 Sp. Def to restore its RBY Special and +36 in Speed to return to constantly outspeeding, and a second signature move that's 90 but always crits, has 34% chance to drop Sp. Atk _and_ Sp. Def, and ignores Resistances and Immunities while still hitting Weaknesses.
@@autobotstarscream765 Still weak to Dark, Ghost (the only viable move back then was Lick, nothing Shadow Ball tier) and Bug (back then the best options were Twineedle Beedrill and Pin Missile Jolteon, nothing like Megahorn and Bug Buzz)
@@BluWartortle have the type as true psychic which have the gen 1 psychic type chart
@@ZAPRST8879 OK maybe give it Dark immunity too. Still weak to Shadow Ball, Megahorn etc.
This was an unexpected but really GREAT video! Hope to see something similar in Doubles and an actual WORST fully evolved Pokémon TOP5 (or Bottom5, whatever works)
Really cool video, and prayers for poor old Bastiodon
I like this kind of video format, also nice having a double upload today
Oh yeah also if you were to put Gen 1 Mewtwo's stats into modern terms it'd have a higher base stat total than _Arceus_ because its Sp. Def would be the same as its high Sp. Atk
Zacian: It’s good to be Number 1!
Also Zacian: Why do I hear boss music?!
I'd like to see you continue your "How good was the [Type]" series, actually. I think a video on the Rock-type in particular can help shed some light on what makes Stealth Rock in particular so pernicious in comparison to its hazardous bretheren.
There’s a video on this channel that lists how important Stealth Rock is.
He had review Stealth Rock years ago.
stealth rock being better than other hazards is more mechanical than type based. imagine if spikes did 50% to heatran and 25% to ttar on the switch
This is true, but for some reason, I don't think it would have been nearly as impactful if it were based in a lesser offensive type, such as Grass.
Stealth Rock is the best hazard because almost nothing is immune to it, unlike Spikes with all the Flying types and Levitate users in the game, and because of how wide a distribution it has compared to spikes, along with the fact that on average Stealth Rock will do more damage than a layer of Spikes because some things get hit for 25% or 50% of their hp. Spikes can only really compete with Stealth Rocks when you spend multiple turns setting it up.
"Tyranitar isn't perfect. Sometimes it hits someone with its car."
Tyrani-Car.
I believe the old joke goes something like: "With Amnesia, Mewtwo forgets how to lose."
Love this type of content, I think another list with the most broken synergies in doubles would be cool.
"Tyranitar isn't perfect, it sometimes spends too much time volunteering, occasionally it'll hit someone with its car" - That reference came out of nowhere but had me rolling
With Mega Rayquaza, there's a significant part you didn't mention, which is extreme speed. With a single dragon dance, Rayquaza could outspeed *anything*. So even if someone is using priority moves, even other pokemon like Arceus using extreme speed, it could always hit first. This made it incredible at dealing with many of the most frustrating sweepers and a reliable way to beat out dangerous pokemon on low health. You could know that it would always hit first.
Dragon Ascent is Rayquaza's signature move but ExtremeSpeed is its greatest move. Dragon Ascent's drawback is the Defence and Special Defence drop, which can become problematic if it's used too many times. ExtremeSpeed's only drawback and that it can't hit Ghost types, something that isn't much of a problem because Rayquaza can crush Ghosts with its coverage moves anyway. Aside from that, ExtremeSpeed is a perfect attack. It has 80 base power, which makes it twice as powerful as all other priority moves apart from First Impression and Sucker Punch, and from Generation V onwards it also has +2 priority instead of +1, which means that Rayquaza can outspeed almost anything without using Dragon Dance and literally anything that isn't ExtremeSpeed Deoxys Speed after doing the Dance once.
also if v-create isn't the first OR second best attack pokemon gets, that pokemon is probably overpowered.
New type of video format? Crazy stuff!! Can't wait to watch :)
@yo Depp stop self promoting trash
Man y'all are really stepping your game up! I've always looked forward to Sundays specifically for new mons videos, but these double features are terrific!
Number 5 brings tears of pride to my eyes. Funny to see the king still making it on the list despite how hard he's been hit by power creep. He's still holding on baby.
"Sometimes it hits people with its car" had me dying
I understand the workload would've been enormous but this could've been a top 10 list. However, I like this a lot more since my knowledge of comp mons is very "gen 5 and after" centric, around the time power creep stopped kicking in and just started hammering. So if given to me I would've just picked the dog, mega ray, drill, xerneas, extreme killer etc. That's why learning about how incredible Ttar is in ADV despite so many weaknesses was very interesting. Great video.
The only other real contenders that stand out are Garchomp in Gen 4, Primal Groudon, and, as you said, Xerneas. Extreme Killer was strong, but not that strong. In Gen 5 it was outclassed by Arceus-Ghost and Kyogre. In Gen 6 it was outclassed by Xerneas, Primal Groudon, and Mega Ray. In Gen 7 it didn't even reach A+ rank viability, falling behind Groudon, Necrozma-DM, Yveltal, Mega Gengar, Ultra Necrozma, Zygarde-C, Marshadow, Xerneas, and Arceus Ground.
@@Skeloperch ever heard of GEN5 OU dominating Speed boost Chicken
@@Skeloperch i think gen 5 arceus in general could have been thereif one of the 2 that outclass extremekiller is another arceus
"In short, everything about the metagame revolves around sand"
Anakin: *sweats profusely*
“Status, with either paralysis or freeze, combined with prayer.” Probably the best line in the video lol.
Thanks for having me featured in the video guys! This was so much fun to be part of!
I'd love to see more videos outside of the traditional format; I think getting to look at several Pokémon across multiple generations is a lot more interesting than just looking at one. Plus, it'd be great to see more analyses of competitive moves or formats (such as recoil moves or doubles) - just to expand the range of content on the channel. Great video as always!
This is my favourite video you’ve ever made. Would love to see more like this (most broken doubles Pokémon, most broken abilities, etc.)
Bastiodon was so bad that Kellen had to release a real video a half hour later.
My sincere kudos: I knew basically everything it was said in the video (bar some details about Snorlax), but it got me glued and eager to hear the next sentence throughout all of it. It was an epic narration, accompanied by fit music. Really really something!
I love these non-standard videos, more type overviews and generation overviews would be amazing
Gen 4 Arceus also deserves to be on this list IMO. Am a bit shocked Arceus didn’t appear at all. Either way, great video as always FSG
I admit it surprised me too but that's probably because the Arceus we saw in Gen 4 wasn't “complete” due to the EV shenanigans and the other Pokemon have more well-known fame. Just my guess though.
Arceus had no such game breaking potential as the contenders on the list in their respective metagames. In same way as gen 4 Garchomp, gen 3 dew latis, gen 3 deoxys-a and what not didn't make the list. All absolute top contenders of their respective tiers? Absolutely! Tier breaking (in 3 cases literal) as the ones on FSG's list? I'm afraid not.
It wouldn’t be gen 4. Since it wasn’t allowed for the until the end of the meta. It’s true introduction was in gen 5 competitive
For an Pokemon that's supposed to be an god, u would think it's the most broken thing in the world.
Arceus has actually been a really healthy member of ubers since its introduction. Yes, Arceus can do anything, and yes, Arceus was absolutely a threat, but you can only run 1 Arceus set in any given team (gonna ignore AG for now). No single Arceus set was a world beater, not even the fearsome E-Killer, but the raw utility of Arceus as a glue mon ensured that it can find a place on any team. It truly is the ultimate glue mon, but glue never broke anything.
Love the video! Love to see this, but with the lower tiers. It's always wild to see a mon completely dominate a lower tier, since without context hearing how Exploud had a chokehold on a tier is hilarious. One thing to hear about Rayquaza doing it, but really hits different when Linoone does it.
Hop in the postgame of Pokemon Shield is one of the toughest fights in the series. His other Pokemon aren't pushovers, and his Zacian just wrecks everything.
Up there with Red's Snorlax in GSC
i am so glad i bought sword
His only threatening Pokémon is Zacian
@@T.Hebert I didn't say they were threatening, I said they weren't pushovers. They have good coverage moves that require at least a little thought to beat.
@@phyllotaxis What makes Red’s Snorlax in Gen 2 so tough?
I LOVE THE INTERMISSION SEGMENTS.
The CRT and lighting set the mood perfectly.
Funfact about Mewtwo. It is the mon with the highest stats ever apart from megas. In gen 1 before the sped atk/def split it had an effective stat total of 744. Even after 28 years, it's still a monster.
Gamefreak: "We removed some Pokémon for balance!"
Also Gamefreak: *creates Zacian*
I fear what they will end up doing with Koraidon, Miraidon, or some other legendary from the 9th Generation. Don't think it'll be NEARLY as broken and unanimous in both competitive formats as Zacian, but they'll definitely be at the very least outstanding.
@@RoseyPixels GameFreak:They get Speed Boost for an ability. Their Signature moves are a base 100 power and accuracy. The faster they are the more damage they deal.
My brother in christ, she's on the box
@@verylostdoommarauder We know that.
@@Nosretep look out i think there’s a joke flying over you
Awesome special video. The section intros with the consoles were a blast and really kept me hooked. I think it'd be cool to see visual representations of different sets busted mons ran, like the ttar sets you mentioned. As for other video ideas... how about comparisons between members of trios or pairs, like fossil pokemon or the regis?
I really like these videos that focus on more of a concept and not one specific mon. I'd love to see the "How good was X Type" series continue.
Heck, maybe a video about the top most impactful changes between generations. Gen 2 > 3 introduced Abilities, gen 4 introduced Stealth Rocks, gen 5 had more accessible weather abilities, gen 6 had Megas and Fairies. Gen 7 had the Tapus and Z moves. Gen 8 had Dexit and Dynamax.
Gen 4 also introduced the Physical / Special split, which was an INCREDIBLE change for mons like Gengar and Gyarados who could finally utilize their STAB efficiently.
Not going to lie, I was half-expecting to see Bidoof or Bibarel with Moody ability somewhere on this list. The time when Bidoof terrorized gen 5 Ubers was a sight to see.
Great video once again, keep it coming!
God Bidoof is above all of these so it can't be grouped with them
Mewtwo doesnt need RNG to dominate
I'd love to see a sequl with the top 5 most broken doubles pokemon, because while some entries might be similar (MRAY and Zacian were pretty good in doubles), many of the amazing doubles pokemon were lower tier in singles.
I also think Landorus-therian deserves mention, because while it was never the most broken pokemon in any single generation, it's dominated OU for four straight gens.
If they do it, I'm gonna predict Incineroar as one of them.
Would love to see the starters ranked based on singles performance.
I'm kinda surprised that Arceus didn't make the list in any way. Great video all the same!
Arceus was always good but it was never super dominating. Even extreme killer during its hay days was outshined by other mons in the tier
I love the "How Good/Bad" series
But please, keep giving us stuff like that too.
I'd be interested in a video about power creep and how it's affected what kind of pokemon/moves are viable. It's often mentioned in your "how good" series that power creep resulted in tier drops and/or a drop in usability, so it would be neat to get some background information on it.
very cool to see you guys switching up the format every once in a while. great stuff as always!
I’m surprised that DPPt Garchomp wasn’t included, considering it was near snorlax levels of dominant in OU before it was banned
Maybe it's /because/ it was banned.
@@TheRealGigachad1848 if they exclude banned pokemon then these pokemon that they featured were not broken at all.
@@TheRealGigachad1848 they literally featured rayquaza and zacian, two Pokémon that are banned from every single tier lol
if was a top 10 it prolyl wouldve made it, but top 5 (or 6 kinda), it just doesnt quite match up there
It was definitely centralizing, but not anywhere near the level of the aforementioned Pokemon
Ttar Sandstorm in ADV is in itself a more centralizing thing than Garchomp ever was (and a big reason of why Garchomp was so good in DPP was because of Ttar sandstream allowing it to haxx even against what should KO it (like a Starmie Ice Beam or a Scarf Chomp Outrage). If this were a top ten list, it would probably have been included alongside things like gen 6 Xerneas or Aegislash (I would put it much lower on the list, but Aegislash's reign in OU was no fucking joke, such a pain to deal with) probably, but it is not a top 10 list
I've never played Pokemon competitively, but I love that you give a competitive-level analysis that helps me learn about the meta.
Now this video was incredibly unexpected and fun to watch. I would love to see extra videos like this in the future such as with the stealth rock and switch moves videos.
Tauros used to piss me off SOOOOO much man... I nearly broke my n64 in frustration in 2001 cause of that damn bull
You are everywhere on UA-cam huh
I'd love to see more Pokemon competitive top 5/10s, so here's a few ideas
Best Untiered Pokemon (Untiered Pokemon that actually have uses in other tiers)
Best lower-tier Pokemon in Ubers (stuff like Quagsire, Shedinja and Parasect switching in to Kyogre in Gen 4.)
Best niche items
Some of your favorite tournament games
Etc. Etc. I've been watching since the Gen 1 videos, always love the content!
Best Smogon Tour tournament sets.
Love the video!! And love expanding content as well
As for lists id like to see a doubles version of this, but thatd be much much harder to make given the nature of it. But especially, I want to see more of the "how good was x type" like you did on ice type with Blunder so long ago!! That video was amazing and I've always wanted another since (I know how much work it must've been)
“Wow, Zacian was so overpowered that it got both of its forms banned from ubers. There probably won’t be something that OP again in a long time.”
Calyrex-Shadow getting quick banned from Gen 9 Ubers in less than a day: *B O N J O U R*
As it turns out, giving Calyrex better coverage and removing Yveltal was a bad idea.
But it wasn't in ubers for a long time like zacian or mega rayquaza, so...
quick fun fact for anyone watching this a year later:
mewtwo's converted gen 1 BST(with special making it have both 154 special attack and special defense) is 744, which is stronger than even arceus, and in their mega Y form, that goes up to 854 in the gen 1 BST standards. it truly is the strongest pokemon of all time.
In gen 1, Amnesia Mewtwo forgets the concepts of fairness and mercy
Not if you use your own Mewtwo alongside other Bulky Psychics and Fat Normals :)
I've thought about this for awhile so its nice to finally see a video that touches base on it. Two questions though:
First, do you thing Ubers Kyogre deserves a spot, especially in Gen 5 when weather wars were the thing. I feel like this was the defining ubers mon from gen 3 to 5, although it may have not have been as dominant as some of the others, bar maybe gen 5.
Second, IF Arceus legend plate makes it into gen 9, does it end up on this list and if so, how high does it go? Does it actually contest Mewtwo?
storm drain go brrrr
“DoA was balanced out by making wet tissue paper look durable compared to its base defense and special defense stats”
Truer words have almost been spoken
This was an interesting and unexpected video, it’d be cool to get more stuff like this in the future