A lot of people seem to be missing the point of the video. Yes, most champions would do bad in modern VGC because theyre either outdated movsets or singles teams. Thats the point. Seeing how theyd do today in an offcial tournament.
Ok but vgc isn't the only league, Smogon does singles that fits closer to what these trainers rules are, I get the sentiment but there was still options
@@dorktriogamer2865that’s missing the point. We’re using VGC because it’s the Nintendo official format. These are also champions by Nintendo’s standards. Smogon is fan made. It’s more fair looking at them from a VGC standpoint to see who’s the best according to their creators
Deadass, no Intimidate, 3 moves, and the bias is atrocious. If we're ranking these teams on an IN GAME BASIS which is what clearly is the case given the discussion of Trace, which would make Lance's team actually amazing because, believe it or not, Gen 5 dragon spam WAS A LEGIT STRAT. And it wasn't UNCOMMON.
“Leon’s team is bad at doubles.” That actually adds a humorous flavor to Raihan’s bitter rivalry with Leon with the former running doubles exclusively in his gym.
"[Drayton's] team looks like someone who knows how to make a VGC team but refuses to run anything but their favorites and wants to build a mono-Dragon type team," is so very in character for him. Has great potential that he refuses to live up to.
"Has great potential that he refuses to live up to." Mans just like my burnt out neurodivergent ass who used to be called "gifted" but just got undiagnosed ADHD instead, he just like me fr fr
I don’t even have to watch the video to know Trace will be the champion of champions. Only a genius would have only 3 moves in every Pokémon as a champion.
A little fun fact about Kieran's Dragonite, though he never Terastallizes Dragonite in-game, in the game's code Kieran's Dragonite is coded to have Tera Normal for E-Epeed. It doesn't help Dragonite's set, but it's a neat little hidden detail.
"I'll be judging these teams by how well they suit a double battle format." *Puts the champion whose team was intended as a double battle in first place.* Wow, didn't see that coming. Is what I would have said if HAU DIDN'T ABSOLUTELY ANNIHILATE THE COMPETITION! HOT DAMN THAT DECIDUEYE IS INSANE
You have revealed to me the truth of Hau Champion Supremacy, I would have never thought that Power-Up Punch was actually that much of a gamechanger on Crabominable. Take this tribute as thanks for opening my eyes. May he reign eternal over the lesser champions.
I don't understand why everyone is underestimating, hau??? Like come on its not bias that he made it to s tier, his decidueye literally has smack down. The ultimate counterplay against super effective flying types
Yeah, decisions like that are what really made him deserve his spot in the top three. I don't know a single Flying type in this video that would survive a 50 BP Rock move strong as that, let alone outspeed its 70 Speed to one shot it.
I think he’s definitely top 3 I’m not underestimating him Hell I even had a hard time playing against him in my first run But I’m not gonna act like he’s the best one. That just doesn’t feel right when he doesn’t even fully load out his moves.
Fun fact on Pokémon black and white 2, there was a wifi distribution where you can fight the top 4 competitors of the 2012 Pokemon World Championships in each division. So if you really think about it, because the game itself classifies Ray Rizzo as a “champion” he could theoretically be on this list.
I remember before indigo disk dropped everyone and their mom was theorizing that kieran was possessed by pecharunt or some other evil force only for it to be revealed that he’s just kinda like that
I was pleasantly surprised with all of the fights in the DLC. I still beat it fairly easily because level 100 legendaries kinda do that, but it was way more interesting. I even almost lost once to one of the elite four, the one with trick room absolutely messed with my fast team. I really hope future games have difficult fights like that too.
@@bigpoggers6507tbh the moment it was revealed Kieran reacts violently to you bringing Ogerpon, bringing her for psychologcial warfare is a tradition Hell, I restarted my game just to get that satisfaction😅
Getting a bunch of poketubers together and having a champion theme teams tournament sounds like a really interesting idea. Hau has to EARN that number one spot.
Kieran’s Hydrapple being Tera Poison would’ve been a nice nod to the Loyal Three. It’d be like if he was so obsessed with becoming a worthy trainer, he’s become the very Type his beloved ogre fought against
I do see where they were going with Tera Fighting, though. It's the idea that Kieran can think of nothing but fighting and getting stronger. I also agree with you that Tera Poison is much more thematically fitting than Tera Fighting, and Tera Poison would have really fed into the "Kieran is being controlled by Pecharunt" theory.
@@GiveItARest I prefer the idea that Kieran is just that toxic that Pecharunt doesn't affect him at all similiar to how poison type usually don't get poisoned. It give him the agency and show that he choose to be this way.
Yea I think they should be judged on the landscape of their generation, obviously Iris’s team wouldn’t be good against Fairy types, because they literally didn’t exist back then
for each DLC i ran a completely new team with pokemon found in the DLC areas (except i kept Ogrepon for my Indigo Disk team) so getting to that final Kieran fight was genuinely such a delight. Yea, it wasnt IMPOSSIBLE or like a Radical Red or Kaizo style fight but to see such a challenging fight in a vanilla Pokemon game was a huge treat.
shoutouts to the time i went on a 7 win streak using kieran's team on the smogon doubles ou ladder, i was genuinely relieved when someone finally beat me
@@Gunther69420 No it's not, and besides I was making a joke about extreme speed sweep which non farigiraf users generally become victims of. Stop being 'um akshually'
When i saw the comments were about Hau I was like no way, then i heard the explanation and im still like no way, i guess that decidueye really did wonders for him
Yeah but if Ogerpon followed Kieran he wouldn't have had his joker arc where he studied competitive pokemon and made a god tier team. Sure the Ogerpon would be his ace, but the rest of his team would be Hydrapple, Yanmega, Poliwrath, Gliscor, and either Shiftry or Probopass
With Geeta's new lineup & the strategy tactics with each one of them, I'm not even sure Nemona's new team could even stand a chance against her team now as Keiran couldn't!!!!!!!!!!! Chesnaught would make its fellow bearded Grass type predecessor Gogoat proud by following its example with setting up defensive building & HP draining tactics!!!!!! And I have to say that Geeta's Dragapult might slightly impress me a bit more over Leon's Dragapult. Leon's fighting style has always felt like to me in being portrayed as hype-showy & wildly flashy battling; while Geeta's is calm, cool, & collected while fighting with holding nothing back. And honestly Dragapult's own species style does seem in a way to match with Geeta's style. Even the natural/standard moveset of Geeta's Dragapult might one up Leon's Dragapult: true both utilize Thunderbolt & Shadow Ball, but Geeta's Dragapult utilizes Dragon Darts a lot "earlier" than Leon's Dragapult; and I have to say that Geeta's knowing of Sucker Punch might put it over than Leon's with Flamethrower
No way Hau got in the top of S tier, I never thought about how good was his team, but thanks to this analysis I can understand his WILD strategy better, definitly the best champion of all time, no doubts.
24:27 tera poison on hydraple would be a really good double meaning tera competitively as you said good tera and lore wise amassing redhearing for people who though kerian was possessed by "dokutaro" better known as peaherunt
I’d argue that Steel is worse for Diantha. I recently did a Diantha run in Sword and her biggest issue was Steel type. Yes, Hawlucha can help counter it and Tyrantrum can learn Earthquake and Earth Power, but that doesn’t help. Especially against Hop’s team with either box legend.
@@PiercingObstagoon862I misread that as Hau and there’s something so funny about the bottom tier countering her. To be fair, she’s not ranked that high herself, but still.
I'm completely unsurprised that Hau, the best dancer known in Aloha with his signature item "Malasada" made top 1 onto the list and should be the main inspiration of all Pokémon teams in the VGC area if they wish to move forward.
Kieren was an absolute beast. He had an S tier rain setter in politoed (which also had helping hand), a dragonite with extreme speed, a porygon z holding a life orb, an incineroar with intimidate and fake out, a grimmsnarl to set up screens, and a hydrapple just to give him a good ace. Dude knocked out 3 of my mons, all of whom were properly EV trained, level 100, and each holding an item.
While Geeta does get a bit of a redemption in the DLC, I do want to note that her Chesnaught set hilariously gets hard countered by any Grass/Ghost type. So if you send one in against her Chesnaught, it'll be like one of those cowboy standoffs with the tumbleweeds blowing as nothing happens. And funnily enough her Chesnaught can't hit the tumbleweeds either.
I still love that in game Alder was a pseudo bug champion. Not the best but he was never meant to be the best, he is an older man dealing with loss and grief.
Kieran definitely deserves the title of "Best Champion", most of the times I've faced him it's been a troubling fight and one that's so satisfying to win, he also has a dope thing to go with it which I'd say it's hard to decide between that theme and his final theme from the Teal Mask as both are bangers.
Despite Hau only having three moves on incineroar, that decidueye set is definitely what got him to S tier. Tera grass decidueye running that set actually won the irl Pokemon VGC Mariana Trench Championship next week.
Trace making it all the way to S-tier was bloody wild. Marowak really pulled through against incineroar. Jokes aside, Geeta just raw-dogging her way to second place without items is awesome. Guess that’s what having two protect options and reaping the benefits of powercreep does to a team. If you want a topic, it would be cool if you went through every champion and competitively optimized all their teams by mixing and matching their best Pokémon and moves based on all their appearances(including masters) and ranked them.
Something I noticed. Especially when it’s been said that Nuzlocking BDSP can be a pain because of the crazy difficulty spike. It’s mostly the same team but the items and such are actually pretty tough. Even with cheesing and using Manaphy my first playthrough I remember it being actually pretty tough to win
As a Gen 4 Stan, I'm proud that my GOAT isn't down on B or below Also, what the hell was Hau doing at Tier S+? Like, I know he was hard, but not *THAT* hard
Honestly I feel like a good follow up video would be to rate the champions on their potential based on all the Pokémon in their roster. If they’re the strongest trainer in their region and they were told they were going to participate in a doubles tournament beforehand, then they should have the ability to prepare a strong doubles team with the Pokémon they have access to. They can change moves, abilities, stats, and items, but they can’t go out and catch a new Pokémon.
Tbh I don’t care about competitive Pokémon; whenever I think of strong champions, it’s either Kieran, Cynthia or Leon; because they’re the only champions I’ve ever had a challenge against. Kieran knocked out all my team except kingambit (so you can see how I won) Cynthia and Leon? Pure luck. I must have unintentionally did some IV training cuz I shouldn’t have won either of those on the first try.
Hey man, i love your videos. I would really like to see a video or even a series when you build the best competitive team for each gym leader or even for each type. Given that monotype it's a huge drawback it would be fun to see what a future more competitive driven game could do with their gym leaders
I mean considering this is a doubled video Kieran getting second makes sense. Hau getting first was surprising though, that Decideuye is insane tho Wouldn't count him tho because you're the first champ and he's your first challenger
It makes me sad that you forgot how broken Cynthia's BDSP Team is, Flame Orb Marvel Scale Milotic is VILE. Though Hau's Decidueye obviously makes him S Tier I 100% agree yep absolutely truly.
Paldea is flipping weird for this since they treat championship as just like... a rank multiple people can hold. Nemona *absolutely* is following the "is holding back" trend despite being a champion before the game even starts, and Geeta seems to just always be the top ranked champion no matter what.
@@MoxieBoosted I more meant the part where she's a champion before the game even starts, and decides to "start over" metaphorically and train up a new team to be your rival: She's still a champion, even when facing you with just a level 5 Sprigatito/Fuecoco/Quaxly. Yer right that her end-game team she's says she's not holding back anymore, but she *was* holding back for the vast majority of the game, despite being Champion rank herself, hence the weirdness.
A lot of people seem to be missing the point of the video.
Yes, most champions would do bad in modern VGC because theyre either outdated movsets or singles teams. Thats the point. Seeing how theyd do today in an offcial tournament.
Ok but vgc isn't the only league, Smogon does singles that fits closer to what these trainers rules are, I get the sentiment but there was still options
@dorktriogamer2865 not doing VGC defeats the purpose of the video. The purpose being "how good are they in official play?"
@@dorktriogamer2865that’s missing the point. We’re using VGC because it’s the Nintendo official format. These are also champions by Nintendo’s standards. Smogon is fan made. It’s more fair looking at them from a VGC standpoint to see who’s the best according to their creators
Me when my favorite VGC youtuber makes a team viability analysis video on the VGC format instead of Smogon LC: 😡😡😡
@@Dondozoisbeast1 I hate it when people don't play the game the same way as me 🤓
Hau being in S tier when he literally only has 3 moves on his incineroar:
What Incineroar does to a mf
Deadass, no Intimidate, 3 moves, and the bias is atrocious. If we're ranking these teams on an IN GAME BASIS which is what clearly is the case given the discussion of Trace, which would make Lance's team actually amazing because, believe it or not, Gen 5 dragon spam WAS A LEGIT STRAT. And it wasn't UNCOMMON.
...hau was in the bottom tier, what are you talking about
edit: my fault
@@theimprovedbore550☝️
@@theimprovedbore550no he is the top of SS+ tier did you even watch the video? 🫣
“Leon’s team is bad at doubles.”
That actually adds a humorous flavor to Raihan’s bitter rivalry with Leon with the former running doubles exclusively in his gym.
U sound like cilan now
fr😭😭
The fact that Geeta does the Galarian pseudo-legendary far better than Leon is just as amusing.
Kieran got done dirty so hard he done pulled up a competitive Pokemon team to beat your ass for stealing his funny green ogre
Nah nah nah fuck him. The orange achilles-esque cinnamol roll came with us fair and square😂😂😂
Sorry not sorry Kieran
Kieran: I loved her before either of us knew you existed
Player: well she loved me before she knew you existed
don't forget his AI automatically targets Ogerpon if u send it out so he has something against it. love that detail they added
@confuseddragonedits2294 *Use’s Fake Out. Then Parting Shots Into Urshifou*
That was so hard, he sent out incineroar and i freaked out
"[Drayton's] team looks like someone who knows how to make a VGC team but refuses to run anything but their favorites and wants to build a mono-Dragon type team," is so very in character for him. Has great potential that he refuses to live up to.
This made me like him a lot, just something about the vibe is adorable
Truly skilled trainers try to win with the Pokemon they love best.
"Has great potential that he refuses to live up to." Mans just like my burnt out neurodivergent ass who used to be called "gifted" but just got undiagnosed ADHD instead, he just like me fr fr
@@QueenofTNT You're preaching to the choir.
@@QueenofTNT real
I don’t even have to watch the video to know Trace will be the champion of champions. Only a genius would have only 3 moves in every Pokémon as a champion.
@thevoyagingcreator6 months old*
It's all he needs
You only need 3 moves if they're all just really good 💪🧠
And to show his dominance and strength, he doesn’t even need abilities
He’s so good, he doesn’t even need 4 moves.
is not that Leon can't afford the TM for dragon pulse...is because the dude got lost on the way to the shop and never get to buy thou.
I can't believe Hala was on top, truly the kahuna on the laguna
Me when the kahuna takes a stroll to the wrong laguna, specifically Laguna in the PH.
😂😭😭😭
@@BeulraekiPinoy ikaw ay pinoy ipakita sa mundo
@@forsusthings Ako hindi Filipino. Ako ay Koreano-Americano.
(I lived in the Philippines for like 9 years)
Before i watch: The answer is Kieran right?? Does he count? Because, yeah its got to be him.
After watching: Well holy crap...Hau did it.
wow i cant believe hau actually won this. yknow that decidueye really did wonders for him.
Yeah, the people who haven’t watched the full video are gonna be so confused.
thats true! I really didn't expect his team to come together at the end! truly a great team
Same same + Idk something stupid like that
The funny thing is that Hau isn't even a champion lol.
something like this
A little fun fact about Kieran's Dragonite, though he never Terastallizes Dragonite in-game, in the game's code Kieran's Dragonite is coded to have Tera Normal for E-Epeed. It doesn't help Dragonite's set, but it's a neat little hidden detail.
e epeed
"I'll be judging these teams by how well they suit a double battle format."
*Puts the champion whose team was intended as a double battle in first place.*
Wow, didn't see that coming.
Is what I would have said if HAU DIDN'T ABSOLUTELY ANNIHILATE THE COMPETITION!
HOT DAMN THAT DECIDUEYE IS INSANE
ikr hau was cooking with that decidueye fr fr
You have revealed to me the truth of Hau Champion Supremacy, I would have never thought that Power-Up Punch was actually that much of a gamechanger on Crabominable. Take this tribute as thanks for opening my eyes. May he reign eternal over the lesser champions.
Hau gang rise up
Ty!!!
Leon: I have an army!
Mustard: And I have an Urshifu
Hau: I have Deciduye
@@josephray459and an incineroar with 3 moves without intimidate
@@Car.rottt_hau: still wrecked your team in our fights
@@levievil9220in some alternate universe
@@levievil9220me: yeah sure buddy
I'm glad you showed the secret post-game Hau with Mega Incineroar. That guy is a BEAST.
I don't understand why everyone is underestimating, hau??? Like come on its not bias that he made it to s tier, his decidueye literally has smack down. The ultimate counterplay against super effective flying types
Yeah, decisions like that are what really made him deserve his spot in the top three. I don't know a single Flying type in this video that would survive a 50 BP Rock move strong as that, let alone outspeed its 70 Speed to one shot it.
Jokes aside, IT HAS 70 SPEEED WTF@@Nate3417
I think he’s definitely top 3
I’m not underestimating him
Hell I even had a hard time playing against him in my first run
But I’m not gonna act like he’s the best one. That just doesn’t feel right when he doesn’t even fully load out his moves.
@@Nate3417literal flying tank:
The Nemona chapter being titled, "Goku" is perfect. She is the FSG mascot after all
Fun fact on Pokémon black and white 2, there was a wifi distribution where you can fight the top 4 competitors of the 2012 Pokemon World Championships in each division. So if you really think about it, because the game itself classifies Ray Rizzo as a “champion” he could theoretically be on this list.
Champion rizzo
WolfeVGC might count if you stretch it for B2W2
you can actually still access the fights today by injecting them with pksm, if you've got a modded console that is
@@modestMismagius105 You don’t even need a modded console or anything like that, you can just use the DNS exploit.
I remember before indigo disk dropped everyone and their mom was theorizing that kieran was possessed by pecharunt or some other evil force only for it to be revealed that he’s just kinda like that
getting my shit absolutely rocked by kieren is something i hope all pokemon games going forward has
I got a LIL mad at Kieran and brought out the level 100 Mewtwo from the 7 star raids and Ogerpon, had to make sure he knew who the actual champion was
I was pleasantly surprised with all of the fights in the DLC. I still beat it fairly easily because level 100 legendaries kinda do that, but it was way more interesting. I even almost lost once to one of the elite four, the one with trick room absolutely messed with my fast team. I really hope future games have difficult fights like that too.
@@bigpoggers6507 bringing the ogre to kieren… salt to the wound
@@bigpoggers6507tbh the moment it was revealed Kieran reacts violently to you bringing Ogerpon, bringing her for psychologcial warfare is a tradition
Hell, I restarted my game just to get that satisfaction😅
@@bigpoggers6507 A little overkill, if you would have taken a proper VGC team you'd also win as he has a few suboptimal sets that can be exploited
Getting a bunch of poketubers together and having a champion theme teams tournament sounds like a really interesting idea. Hau has to EARN that number one spot.
Kieran’s Hydrapple being Tera Poison would’ve been a nice nod to the Loyal Three. It’d be like if he was so obsessed with becoming a worthy trainer, he’s become the very Type his beloved ogre fought against
I do see where they were going with Tera Fighting, though. It's the idea that Kieran can think of nothing but fighting and getting stronger. I also agree with you that Tera Poison is much more thematically fitting than Tera Fighting, and Tera Poison would have really fed into the "Kieran is being controlled by Pecharunt" theory.
Oh that would have been a fantastic choice for that purpose.
@@danielnelba8415 Fighting doesn't resist Ice
@@matthewroberts198 ops
@@GiveItARest I prefer the idea that Kieran is just that toxic that Pecharunt doesn't affect him at all similiar to how poison type usually don't get poisoned. It give him the agency and show that he choose to be this way.
7:40 C'mon. When Iris's team was formed, the fairy type didn't even exist yet.
Yea I think they should be judged on the landscape of their generation, obviously Iris’s team wouldn’t be good against Fairy types, because they literally didn’t exist back then
And no team was designer for double battles, your point? ☠️
This is just for fun and holds no significance to how hard these battles are
I got a strange feeling the two champions on the thumbnail are gonna be somewhere on here…
It's possible
Well it’s a ranking of all champions, so obviously
i think there might be an odd chance of that happening
@@holyelephantmg8838 no, but, its a possibility
16:31 Decidueye is the GOAT! Carrying Hau to S tier!!! Let’s go!
Hau was always the best
I knew he was my favorite for a reason, that decidueye is cracked
I'm so happy Kieran got to share spotlight with Cynthia in the thumbnail. I'm so proud of our little onion boy
Hau being S tier because of having incineroar is hilarious
I can't believe Hau made it to S tier! Truly a wonderful trainer
"Wallace's Long-Distance, Low Commitment Roommate"
Looks like someone's seen their pokémon masters dialog
My favorite part was when Hau said “Decidueye! Show these fools what happens when they steal my Malasadas!” and then proceeded to earn the top spot.
for each DLC i ran a completely new team with pokemon found in the DLC areas (except i kept Ogrepon for my Indigo Disk team) so getting to that final Kieran fight was genuinely such a delight. Yea, it wasnt IMPOSSIBLE or like a Radical Red or Kaizo style fight but to see such a challenging fight in a vanilla Pokemon game was a huge treat.
True, the DLC had surprisingly hard battles
shoutouts to the time i went on a 7 win streak using kieran's team on the smogon doubles ou ladder, i was genuinely relieved when someone finally beat me
you cant let me get away with this
I mean it's got incineroar and dragonite. Without a farigiraf, you just loose
@@Patrick_Bateman71 That is just completely wrong
@@Gunther69420 No it's not, and besides I was making a joke about extreme speed sweep which non farigiraf users generally become victims of. Stop being 'um akshually'
the Wallace / Steven “roommate” joke was craaaazyy 😭😭
When i saw the comments were about Hau I was like no way, then i heard the explanation and im still like no way, i guess that decidueye really did wonders for him
i was so sad to see my boy hau didnt make a surprise comeback. idc what the haters say, hau is my man
Fishing for flinches with that Waterfall King Rock combo is exactly the kind of strategy Blue would use
the 17:47 timestamp title not switching between blue and red implies they were both named Fart
I love How Nemona’s section is just labeled Goku
Tfw you realize if ogerpon decided to follow kieran and he uses it as his ace over hydrapple the team would be way stronger.
Oh look, Mr Koyanskaya man is here.....howdy :D
Yeah but if Ogerpon followed Kieran he wouldn't have had his joker arc where he studied competitive pokemon and made a god tier team. Sure the Ogerpon would be his ace, but the rest of his team would be Hydrapple, Yanmega, Poliwrath, Gliscor, and either Shiftry or Probopass
@m05513 yeah, he would want to have fun, not CRUSH
But that Hau team though
Ok but is Hydraple a worse main than CARmilla?
The most impressive thing is Hau Winning.
Literally I cannot Belive how good his team was
Wow I didn’t realize hau’s decidueye was so good! Surprised he made it into A tier.
That’s cap. He made it to top of S tier. Stop downplaying Hau
Are you the strongest because you are the champion or are you the champion because you are the strongest?
I am you.
Wow I can't believe Hau actually got that far. I should really replay Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon.
Yeah, I was expecting him to be bottom 3.
With Geeta's new lineup & the strategy tactics with each one of them, I'm not even sure Nemona's new team could even stand a chance against her team now as Keiran couldn't!!!!!!!!!!! Chesnaught would make its fellow bearded Grass type predecessor Gogoat proud by following its example with setting up defensive building & HP draining tactics!!!!!! And I have to say that Geeta's Dragapult might slightly impress me a bit more over Leon's Dragapult. Leon's fighting style has always felt like to me in being portrayed as hype-showy & wildly flashy battling; while Geeta's is calm, cool, & collected while fighting with holding nothing back. And honestly Dragapult's own species style does seem in a way to match with Geeta's style. Even the natural/standard moveset of Geeta's Dragapult might one up Leon's Dragapult: true both utilize Thunderbolt & Shadow Ball, but Geeta's Dragapult utilizes Dragon Darts a lot "earlier" than Leon's Dragapult; and I have to say that Geeta's knowing of Sucker Punch might put it over than Leon's with Flamethrower
No way Hau got in the top of S tier, I never thought about how good was his team, but thanks to this analysis I can understand his WILD strategy better, definitly the best champion of all time, no doubts.
24:27 tera poison on hydraple would be a really good double meaning tera competitively as you said good tera and lore wise amassing redhearing for people who though kerian was possessed by "dokutaro" better known as peaherunt
To be fair, there's NO WAY most of these guys would have expected Fairy Type to exist (except Diantha... She has no excuse).
Cant blame lance for being weak to a type that doesn't exist yet, let alone flutter mane
@@timovos5371he clearly should’ve prepared for a Pokemon that would come into existence 9 generations later
I’d argue that Steel is worse for Diantha. I recently did a Diantha run in Sword and her biggest issue was Steel type. Yes, Hawlucha can help counter it and Tyrantrum can learn Earthquake and Earth Power, but that doesn’t help. Especially against Hop’s team with either box legend.
@@PiercingObstagoon862I misread that as Hau and there’s something so funny about the bottom tier countering her.
To be fair, she’s not ranked that high herself, but still.
Wow not expecting Hau to literally beat two legendaries, that’s insane
Oh boy I love Pokémon
U do too I had no idea
IT'S SKRAW VGC OMG! I am a massive fan
Obviously Hau would be in S-tier. The dude has an Incineroar.
That thumbnail goes insanely hard. I love the Goku vs Frieza reference.
I'm completely unsurprised that Hau, the best dancer known in Aloha with his signature item "Malasada" made top 1 onto the list and should be the main inspiration of all Pokémon teams in the VGC area if they wish to move forward.
hau beats kieran???? holy shit, i didnt realize the primarina is that good
I totally agree! Kieran bring my favorite character form the Scarleta me Violet DLC’s, I’m so happy to see him at the top
wow i cant believe hau actually won this.
yknow that decidueye really did wonders for him.
idk something stupid like that.
The fact that Red cheated to get a Blastoise with Water Spout and still was surpassed by Hau is insane.
Kieren was an absolute beast. He had an S tier rain setter in politoed (which also had helping hand), a dragonite with extreme speed, a porygon z holding a life orb, an incineroar with intimidate and fake out, a grimmsnarl to set up screens, and a hydrapple just to give him a good ace.
Dude knocked out 3 of my mons, all of whom were properly EV trained, level 100, and each holding an item.
While Geeta does get a bit of a redemption in the DLC, I do want to note that her Chesnaught set hilariously gets hard countered by any Grass/Ghost type. So if you send one in against her Chesnaught, it'll be like one of those cowboy standoffs with the tumbleweeds blowing as nothing happens. And funnily enough her Chesnaught can't hit the tumbleweeds either.
Kahuna Hala being S tier without even being a champion is goat work good for him
I still love that in game Alder was a pseudo bug champion. Not the best but he was never meant to be the best, he is an older man dealing with loss and grief.
Shoutsout to Wally in the Maison, he's not a champ but lil bro was actually cookin
Kieran definitely deserves the title of "Best Champion", most of the times I've faced him it's been a troubling fight and one that's so satisfying to win, he also has a dope thing to go with it which I'd say it's hard to decide between that theme and his final theme from the Teal Mask as both are bangers.
Moxie trying to manifest rock type superpower is diabolical💀💀💀
Despite Hau only having three moves on incineroar, that decidueye set is definitely what got him to S tier. Tera grass decidueye running that set actually won the irl Pokemon VGC Mariana Trench Championship next week.
Spoiler:
Shocking how the only champion with Intimidate Incineroar was the top of the list
Trace making it all the way to S-tier was bloody wild. Marowak really pulled through against incineroar.
Jokes aside, Geeta just raw-dogging her way to second place without items is awesome. Guess that’s what having two protect options and reaping the benefits of powercreep does to a team.
If you want a topic, it would be cool if you went through every champion and competitively optimized all their teams by mixing and matching their best Pokémon and moves based on all their appearances(including masters) and ranked them.
i think you should have taken Cynthia's Team from one of her match in BDSP. Her teams are brutal (with held items !).
I feel Cynthia could've moved up alittle if you used her BDSP final team. They all have items, EV/IV trained, and with competitive natures
Something I noticed. Especially when it’s been said that Nuzlocking BDSP can be a pain because of the crazy difficulty spike. It’s mostly the same team but the items and such are actually pretty tough. Even with cheesing and using Manaphy my first playthrough I remember it being actually pretty tough to win
Nah, she's weak
As a Gen 4 Stan, I'm proud that my GOAT isn't down on B or below
Also, what the hell was Hau doing at Tier S+? Like, I know he was hard, but not *THAT* hard
Tbh i wasn't expecting Hau to be so high on the list, but the explanation actually kinda sold it forvme
Honestly I feel like a good follow up video would be to rate the champions on their potential based on all the Pokémon in their roster. If they’re the strongest trainer in their region and they were told they were going to participate in a doubles tournament beforehand, then they should have the ability to prepare a strong doubles team with the Pokémon they have access to. They can change moves, abilities, stats, and items, but they can’t go out and catch a new Pokémon.
So, what you're telling me is that we need an updated version of the World Tournament with doubles rules and newer Pokémon?
I mean i didn’t expect Hau to get any lower than B tier but S tier was absolutely crazy!
He had Goku as the time stamp for Nemona 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tbh you surprised me with hao being at the top of this list, that decidueye is really working wonders for his team
This got me curious, what evil team leader has the strongest comp team?
Episode RR Giovanni, probably.
Trace making it to A tier purely because of his Mega Pigeot's quick attack spam is super cool, goes to show just how strong he is.
holy cow I can't believe Hao won A rank
Where’s Ni and where’s Ichi?
(Ni Hao. Idk the pinyin)
(Ichi, Ni, … {Ni as in 2})
San shi go fuuuun
16:37 get it. Mustard has some sauce. get it
Kieran's gonna win because Incineroar
Wrong! Hau's Decidueye did!!!
@@michaelkarim57 Not just that Decidueye man! His Primarina and Incineroar teams absolutely walls Kieran's whole team
Dude, it didn't click until you said it. But that explains why I had so much fucn in the Blueberry academy dlc
Hau getting to a is crazy, incredibly underrated champion 😊
Personally, I would like to see where other generally strong trainers would rank in this tier list. Characters like volo, proff.Turo, proff.Sada, etc.
LET'S GOOOOO! S-TIER HAU! I ALWAYS KNEW HE HAD IT IN HIM!
HAU SWEEP!!!!
Tbh I don’t care about competitive Pokémon; whenever I think of strong champions, it’s either Kieran, Cynthia or Leon; because they’re the only champions I’ve ever had a challenge against. Kieran knocked out all my team except kingambit (so you can see how I won) Cynthia and Leon? Pure luck. I must have unintentionally did some IV training cuz I shouldn’t have won either of those on the first try.
Wow i cant believe hau actually won this. yknow that decidueye really did wonders for him 🙀🙀🙀
Hey man, i love your videos. I would really like to see a video or even a series when you build the best competitive team for each gym leader or even for each type. Given that monotype it's a huge drawback it would be fun to see what a future more competitive driven game could do with their gym leaders
I knew hau was goated
Not only does Tracr have a full team of fully powercrept gen 1 pokemon, but marowak is powercrept by sandslash, a pokemon *from the same gen*
Damn that decidueye from hau is supringly powerful and I think even better than all of cynthias teams combined
*(dies of very minor spelling mistake)*
Hau is not only in S tier for theme songs, but also as a champion! Incineroar is actually crazy
Wow I can't believe hau won this, that decidueye must have done wonders for him
I always knew Hau was one of the GOATS. His team is so good at dealing with opposing threats, especially with Primarina.
God i wish the games has an option you can toggle so gym fights, elite 4, and champion are turned into double battles
I mean considering this is a doubled video Kieran getting second makes sense. Hau getting first was surprising though, that Decideuye is insane tho
Wouldn't count him tho because you're the first champ and he's your first challenger
Volo: _Pathetic._
Hop (Zacian): Hello there
It makes me sad that you forgot how broken Cynthia's BDSP Team is, Flame Orb Marvel Scale Milotic is VILE. Though Hau's Decidueye obviously makes him S Tier I 100% agree yep absolutely truly.
Paldea is flipping weird for this since they treat championship as just like... a rank multiple people can hold.
Nemona *absolutely* is following the "is holding back" trend despite being a champion before the game even starts, and Geeta seems to just always be the top ranked champion no matter what.
She says in her dialogue she isn't holding back
@@MoxieBoosted I more meant the part where she's a champion before the game even starts, and decides to "start over" metaphorically and train up a new team to be your rival: She's still a champion, even when facing you with just a level 5 Sprigatito/Fuecoco/Quaxly.
Yer right that her end-game team she's says she's not holding back anymore, but she *was* holding back for the vast majority of the game, despite being Champion rank herself, hence the weirdness.
You know, I did *not* expect Hau's Primarina to be the one thing pushing him above the rest in S tier, good for him.
I need Cynthia to look at me like that ngl
Ong she can take all my pokedollars and I'll still feel like I made a good purchase 😭🙏
...You two are downbad.
Hau being in S tier when he literally only has 3 moves on his incineroar: