3 reasons, 1. A lot of people felt that the first movie didn't need a sequel, 2. They announced that it was a musical, and 3. The word of mouth from critics and the general audience was bad
To put it shortly: Joker 1 was hit because it was a genuinely fantastic movie and Joker 2 flopped because it’s terrible and unnecessary. Simple as that
@@stevewhite6241 I mean lots fans do the same with The Last of Us Part II. They choose to believe that the entire second game is some fever dream and Ellie is still unconscious towards the end of the first game. The gameplay is fantastic, but the story is garbage. Since the second Joker movie does exist and it does suck horribly, people can view it was non-canon and all in Arthur's head if they want to.
Nobody wanted Joker 2 to be a musical, but a crazy idea it could have been interesting. Plenty of musicals, like you to see from Disney, are intended to motivate scenes or express what the characters are feeling. If this was all in the Joker's head and had original songs that gave insight into his mind, I can see this working okay. But instead, it's a jukebox musical with popular songs that tie into absolutely nothing, therefore it's pointless and goes from potentially interesting to boring because the story doesn't motivate anything either. And when you're basically Joker and Harley: The Musical with Lady Gaga, the last thing you should be is boring.
All the suffering arthur took in the first movie is what built the joker in arthur. Him denying hes joker at the end just because the police violated his hole is just awful.
If I had a nickle for everytime in 2024 a terrible release involving Joker came out I would have 2 nickles...which isn't lot but strange it happened twice right?
It proves financial success is not always a good thing. Joker was a perfect standalone story. Maybe Todd didn't want to make it and just decided to burn Arthur's world to the ground completely. At least I hope that was the intention.
I don't know why but I like this movie. Everyone who hits his peak has to come back. Aurther hits his peak as joker with madness and he comes back. And everyone who hits and fall back will suffer. And he suffered.
But there’s plenty of people in Hollywood who care way more about making movies for money and nothing more. Those people absolutely outnumber the ones who make movies because of their passion for cinema :/
I really liked Joker 2 but I totally agree with this take. I was expecting the same Joker from 1 as well. The twist wasn’t bad at all to me. Definitely surprised.
Definitely Mark Hamill. His portrayal of the Joker feels the most comic book accurate. Nobody else captures the essence and personality of Joker better than Mark Hamill
Oh man! I read it was a musical and ditched the idea of seeing it, thought I might be wrong, then I read what happens at the end, Batman’s not in it - Harley looks cool from what little I’ve seen - but that ending just, for me, was the final nail in the coffin of wanting to see it - such a waste. Now any movie about this character has been tainted for the future - it was like Batman and Robin in the 90s - bloody awful film which ruined Batman until The Dark Knight was made. What a shame
Let's all sing together : "Whyyyy, ooooooh, whyyyyyyyy did youuuuuuuuuuu doooooooo aaaa muuuusiiiicaaaaaal!!!!!!!?!?!?!" IGN & Warner : "Wuuuu dooon't understand... why... you didn't go see it!?" How disconnected do you have to be to still be asking yourselves why the public didn't care!? In French, we say : "Aveuglement volontaire (voluntary blinding). Do you get it or do we need to send you a drawing!?
Because the first joker was really well made and definitely captured Arthur’s fall into madness and becoming the joker. Meanwhile joker 2 is a poorly made unnecessary sequel that is little more than a huge cash grab
Lol, you're wrong, Joker 1 was successful because it was a good Joker movie, Heath's Joker was never my favorite, I never cared for the Joker that much until I saw Joaquin's performance.
I wish they'd re-edit Joker 2 by getting rid of all the musical scenes, reshooting some scenes and changing the ending. It might cost another $100 million but it might make a lot more if you give the audience what they want
When I first heard of a joker sequel, my initial reaction was......"why?" but was giving it a chance, but it didn't take long for me to give up the hope for it
The media and a bunch of critics hated it but if you look the score of the fans, they love the first movie, it has 90 on metacritic, 8.4 on IMDb, 89% on RT, It has universal acclaimed with the public, the first movie is very special, is one of those few movies that stays with you for a very long time after you watch it.
The critics didn't hate it they only hated it when it was just released and the only complain was that it was "Too Violent" but after they saw that the fans loved it the critics started to change their minds too.
It was just because. When they created Joker 1, many youtubers and viewers expected a bomb. The creators actually didn't expect much out of such a diverse film. They were hoping at least less then 300mil. And they said they had the same mindset, making Joker 2. They didn't expect a lot over such a diverse film, as long as they made some money back. I kind of respect Tod's Phillips going this route
You forgot the fifth reason why this movie failed. And that’s because it serves as nothing more than a lecture about why you shouldn’t have liked the first movie.
In my opinion. The original Joker was fantastic because it knew what it wanted to be, and it was what it wanted to be in an amazing way. Joker 2 did not know what it wanted to be. It considered multiple paths, but didn't choose any of them. Top it off with one of the worst endings in cinema history.
I liked Joker 2. Its good. 1st part is better of course, but 2nd is not bad either, its not to everybody's liking, but its different and I like that about it.
Musicals can be amazing (I personally love heathers and the Alex Brightman Beetlejuice musical) but there are movies and shows where that just doesn’t fit, and unfortunately that’s the case for most movies/shows :\
First of Joker is not a superhero movie coz man ain’t a superhero he’s a supervillain, Call em comic book movies! & finally someone said that Harley is the one who manipulated Arthur, not the opposite like in the comics.
Shame they had to go so far in the wrong direction. Doubt the sequel could have topped the first but a movie that focused on the Joker persona would have done well. Could have even led up to Joker being (directly or indirectly) behind the death of Bruce's parents thus spawning the beginning of the Batman character. Hell it even could have subverted expectations by having Bruce killed and showing a Gotham without Batman or someone else becoming. Betting many on here and elsewhere could have come up with even better ideas without much time or effort.
The first Joker movie was taken from two other movies with the character having mental issues. It got hyped up so most watched it already thinking it was good. Watching the first one without the hype the movie is drawn out boring and over the top. It is about a guy who is a victim even though he kills two people , stalks a girl an then end up killing a tv show host, all because he wanted to be loved by everyone. just for the end to suggest it never happen an it was all in his head. The second movie wasn't hyped and not needed , those who watched it watched it without the hype and they formed their own opinion and this is the outcome.
I really liked the second movie, but my problem is that it's supposed to be a joker movie. If it was just arthur, a mentally ill man, i think it would be much beter.
I thought the Joker 1 was already a movie nobody needed. It was boring, predictable and in the shadow of the Joker from the Dark knight. But yes, when you make the sequel a surprise musical and introduce a pop artist next to Joaquin Phoenix. Obviously it's going to bomb. Also, Joker 1 spoke to a certain kind of people. And those people are not musical fans. Joker 1 was criticised because it spoke to those people. And now in part two, they did their best to ridicule those fans. And pretty much everyone is tired of those kind off politics in movies.
Movie critics are the true evils they never tell their real opinions they either glaze the movie saying that it's the best thing ever or they hate on it saying that it's horrible. And some people hate on the movie cause of that
The whole reason it was bad was because the creator clearly said that he did NOT wanted a sequel but the people pressed him so much that he decided to make this as a "Fuck You" to us!!!!
not every movie needs a sequel
Fax and this goes out to Megamind
And the movies that do need sequels don’t need more sequels.
Sometimes we need to stop asking for sequels and be happy with what we got
Studios:hello I like money
@@ThrillerXeroMegamind has a sequel??
The whole Joker 2 was basically harley and the joker dancing and reminding us what happened in the last movie.
exactly
At this point Mr headcanon will make fun of Joker 2 until he get his ticket price back 😂
I don't blame him honestly, I feel like I wasted my money on Joker 2 as well😂
Bro made 184K Views from it. If he's still trying to make the Money back. Bro spent $800 on a ticket
Joker should have stayed a one and done.
AND. HOW.
3 reasons, 1. A lot of people felt that the first movie didn't need a sequel, 2. They announced that it was a musical, and 3. The word of mouth from critics and the general audience was bad
To put it shortly: Joker 1 was hit because it was a genuinely fantastic movie and Joker 2 flopped because it’s terrible and unnecessary. Simple as that
Well said.
I'm gonna say joker 2 is not canon it's all in Arthur's head and still in arkham asylum joker 1 will never get a sequel.
Nah. It's just bad writing.
@@stevewhite6241 I mean lots fans do the same with The Last of Us Part II. They choose to believe that the entire second game is some fever dream and Ellie is still unconscious towards the end of the first game. The gameplay is fantastic, but the story is garbage. Since the second Joker movie does exist and it does suck horribly, people can view it was non-canon and all in Arthur's head if they want to.
@@TheRealBaldEaglei like the last of us part 2, it grew on me after all these years
Nobody wanted Joker 2 to be a musical, but a crazy idea it could have been interesting.
Plenty of musicals, like you to see from Disney, are intended to motivate scenes or express what the characters are feeling. If this was all in the Joker's head and had original songs that gave insight into his mind, I can see this working okay. But instead, it's a jukebox musical with popular songs that tie into absolutely nothing, therefore it's pointless and goes from potentially interesting to boring because the story doesn't motivate anything either. And when you're basically Joker and Harley: The Musical with Lady Gaga, the last thing you should be is boring.
Todd Phillips - You think Star Wars the last Jedi subverted expectations? Wait till you get a load of Joker 2!
All the suffering arthur took in the first movie is what built the joker in arthur. Him denying hes joker at the end just because the police violated his hole is just awful.
If I had a nickle for everytime in 2024 a terrible release involving Joker came out I would have 2 nickles...which isn't lot but strange it happened twice right?
What was the other one?
yeah what was the other one i have 0 idea what you're talking about
@@editating_2614 Suicide Squad Kill The Justice League.
madame web of course
It proves financial success is not always a good thing. Joker was a perfect standalone story. Maybe Todd didn't want to make it and just decided to burn Arthur's world to the ground completely.
At least I hope that was the intention.
You talk about the last Jedi a minute after i was thinking if it comparing it to Joker 2 😂
I don't know why but I like this movie. Everyone who hits his peak has to come back. Aurther hits his peak as joker with madness and he comes back. And everyone who hits and fall back will suffer. And he suffered.
Insight on Joker 2 is why I subscribed to this channel & thus far I’m very happy with that decision.
Hopefully DC and WB has
learned what happens when you try to force something unnecessary.
Yeah , between many things they should've learned by now
That's the neat part, they won't.
Joker 2 never happened. No matter what the big studio said, it never happened.
I guess your right
True, the sequel doesn't exist
Joker never needed a sequel
I disagree that Hollywood wants to make money with movies. There have been to many artistic/financial failures lately.
But there’s plenty of people in Hollywood who care way more about making movies for money and nothing more. Those people absolutely outnumber the ones who make movies because of their passion for cinema :/
@@Howlingburd19 it’s a business at the end of the day sadly
I really liked Joker 2 but I totally agree with this take. I was expecting the same Joker from 1 as well. The twist wasn’t bad at all to me. Definitely surprised.
Who is your favorite version of Joker? Mine is either Arkhamvere or TAS. Either way it is Mark Hamill as Joker
Gotta be for the live action joker, heath ledger joker is forever be the G.O.A.T.
Definitely Mark Hamill. His portrayal of the Joker feels the most comic book accurate. Nobody else captures the essence and personality of Joker better than Mark Hamill
Joaquin version is still my favorite, followed by Jack
Oh man! I read it was a musical and ditched the idea of seeing it, thought I might be wrong, then I read what happens at the end, Batman’s not in it - Harley looks cool from what little I’ve seen - but that ending just, for me, was the final nail in the coffin of wanting to see it - such a waste. Now any movie about this character has been tainted for the future - it was like Batman and Robin in the 90s - bloody awful film which ruined Batman until The Dark Knight was made. What a shame
Still more narratively fulfilling than Deadpool and Wolverine
At least Deadpool and Wolverine is funny or at least entertaining
Deadpool and Wolverine’s story wasn’t the best but it was still entertaining
Joker Folly and Doo-Doo was nowhere near entertaining at all
Let's all sing together : "Whyyyy, ooooooh, whyyyyyyyy did youuuuuuuuuuu doooooooo aaaa muuuusiiiicaaaaaal!!!!!!!?!?!?!" IGN & Warner : "Wuuuu dooon't understand... why... you didn't go see it!?" How disconnected do you have to be to still be asking yourselves why the public didn't care!? In French, we say : "Aveuglement volontaire (voluntary blinding). Do you get it or do we need to send you a drawing!?
I demand a do-over!
Tbh it’s not uncommon for the joker to sing but fml why did Philips and WB destroy the first movie’s legacy
Because the first joker was really well made and definitely captured Arthur’s fall into madness and becoming the joker. Meanwhile joker 2 is a poorly made unnecessary sequel that is little more than a huge cash grab
Joker 1 owes part of its success to Heath's Joker in the Dark Knight.
Really? By that logic The Dark Knight owes part of its success to Jack Nicholson 😂
@@Howlingburd19
You are funny.
Lol, you're wrong, Joker 1 was successful because it was a good Joker movie, Heath's Joker was never my favorite, I never cared for the Joker that much until I saw Joaquin's performance.
making the sequel a musical was a very big mistake i wanted a sequel so badly after enjoying that first one but i didn’t want it to be like this.
You can't read my Joker face.
Will Spiderman and Deadpool movie gonna happen?
Idk I hope so
Hopefully not, Deadpool doesn’t belong in a PG-13 movie (as we’ve seen before) and Spider-Man doesn’t belong in a R movie lol
I wish they'd re-edit Joker 2 by getting rid of all the musical scenes, reshooting some scenes and changing the ending. It might cost another $100 million but it might make a lot more if you give the audience what they want
When I first heard of a joker sequel, my initial reaction was......"why?" but was giving it a chance, but it didn't take long for me to give up the hope for it
They know most people don't wanna see a musical by the very fact they try hide it, yet they still make them. 🤦
What the hell are you talking about?
The media kept shitting on the first movie.
The media and a bunch of critics hated it but if you look the score of the fans, they love the first movie, it has 90 on metacritic, 8.4 on IMDb, 89% on RT, It has universal acclaimed with the public, the first movie is very special, is one of those few movies that stays with you for a very long time after you watch it.
The critics didn't hate it they only hated it when it was just released and the only complain was that it was "Too Violent" but after they saw that the fans loved it the critics started to change their minds too.
It was just because.
When they created Joker 1, many youtubers and viewers expected a bomb. The creators actually didn't expect much out of such a diverse film. They were hoping at least less then 300mil.
And they said they had the same mindset, making Joker 2. They didn't expect a lot over such a diverse film, as long as they made some money back.
I kind of respect Tod's Phillips going this route
Joker 2 hates the fans
6:20 Vinland was a good example of subverting expectations if only Joker 2 was better executed aswell
The joker 2 was flashback former self with music
You forgot the fifth reason why this movie failed. And that’s because it serves as nothing more than a lecture about why you shouldn’t have liked the first movie.
Because the first JOKER was good and the sequel was shit...am i over-simplifying ? hehe ;)
As far as I am concerned I have seen Joker 2 and that movie doesn’t exist for me. Joker is the ONLY movie.
There is a reason they hid the movie being musical.
They didn’t hide it
I haven’t seen it but the only reason I would watch it is because of the musical aspect of it because I’m a music major
I will never watch J2 because J1 meant too much to me.
Not my favorite movies about the Joker?
The sound effects 💀
3:25 - people still like musicals. We just want them to be GOOD musicals.
Someday we'll get that joker and harley movie that we deserves...
I saw the movie in my local theater and God, it was more boring than Cats.
This makes Jared Leto's joker look good!😅
Joker 2 should have been a short film
I'm telling you, WB knew damn well that making a sequel was pointless, but decided to make one anyway purely for milking money.
If the really wanted to make money they wouldn't have let this sequel to be made, they knew it was risky, it feels like an anti sequel.
Movie kind of saved my life. I love it. Ugh i want to pay for everyones ticket who didnt like it but i dont have the money haha.
worse than madame web??? Warner must have IQ the size of ant-man when he's too small even for the greatest microscope ever to EXIST.
Joker 2 must also be Todd's accidental child.
In my opinion.
The original Joker was fantastic because it knew what it wanted to be, and it was what it wanted to be in an amazing way.
Joker 2 did not know what it wanted to be. It considered multiple paths, but didn't choose any of them. Top it off with one of the worst endings in cinema history.
like was the songs going on joker head or was it happening and affecting everyone
I think the word flop is suitable one instead of Bomb
7:42
No.
Short answer: greed found a way when no sequel was needed. Hopefully it ends here.
I liked Joker 2. Its good. 1st part is better of course, but 2nd is not bad either, its not to everybody's liking, but its different and I like that about it.
Musicals can be amazing (I personally love heathers and the Alex Brightman Beetlejuice musical) but there are movies and shows where that just doesn’t fit, and unfortunately that’s the case for most movies/shows :\
Superhero fatigue actually exists. For me at least
I am a big willy wonka fan but I didn't even finish Wonka
First of Joker is not a superhero movie coz man ain’t a superhero he’s a supervillain, Call em comic book movies! & finally someone said that Harley is the one who manipulated Arthur, not the opposite like in the comics.
Send in the frowns.
Shame they had to go so far in the wrong direction. Doubt the sequel could have topped the first but a movie that focused on the Joker persona would have done well. Could have even led up to Joker being (directly or indirectly) behind the death of Bruce's parents thus spawning the beginning of the Batman character. Hell it even could have subverted expectations by having Bruce killed and showing a Gotham without Batman or someone else becoming. Betting many on here and elsewhere could have come up with even better ideas without much time or effort.
Doctor strange 😂😂😂
i will not watch that movie ever even if someone pays me, i will not ruin my good memory of joker 1
The first Joker movie was taken from two other movies with the character having mental issues. It got hyped up so most watched it already thinking it was good. Watching the first one without the hype the movie is drawn out boring and over the top. It is about a guy who is a victim even though he kills two people , stalks a girl an then end up killing a tv show host, all because he wanted to be loved by everyone. just for the end to suggest it never happen an it was all in his head.
The second movie wasn't hyped and not needed , those who watched it watched it without the hype and they formed their own opinion and this is the outcome.
I like todd's joker but joker 2 was 💩poop
Why Did Warner Bros. Make This Horrible Sequel For?, WHY WARNER BROS.... JUST WHY!?!?!
I guess 1st movie is better then 2nd movie thats a smart answer
I really liked the second movie, but my problem is that it's supposed to be a joker movie. If it was just arthur, a mentally ill man, i think it would be much beter.
I liked Luke in TLJ
I thought the Joker 1 was already a movie nobody needed. It was boring, predictable and in the shadow of the Joker from the Dark knight.
But yes, when you make the sequel a surprise musical and introduce a pop artist next to Joaquin Phoenix. Obviously it's going to bomb.
Also, Joker 1 spoke to a certain kind of people. And those people are not musical fans. Joker 1 was criticised because it spoke to those people. And now in part two, they did their best to ridicule those fans. And pretty much everyone is tired of those kind off politics in movies.
They can NEVER bring up BvS second week drop🤣
In order to still keep my love for the original movie, I skipped this one
loved the 1 movie, havent watched the 2. affraid to ruin joker
They just got lazy.
Plus lady gaga is cringe
Joker 2: The Simp
Fans matter. They didn’t care about fans. Hollywood is over
Movie critics are the true evils they never tell their real opinions they either glaze the movie saying that it's the best thing ever or they hate on it saying that it's horrible. And some people hate on the movie cause of that
I haaaaaaate musicals.
I got it bc I get musicals
The Joker fantasied his life a different way than reality, his own special world than his terrible own world he had to face in the end
You don't give your opinion, but everybody's.
Go support Transformers One instead
Joker 1: HIT
Joker 2: sHIT
I'm in the minority here saying Joker2 is just as good as Joker1.
The whole reason it was bad was because the creator clearly said that he did NOT wanted a sequel but the people pressed him so much that he decided to make this as a "Fuck You" to us!!!!
but first movie was also pointless shit about nothing...
❤
I loved Joker 2
Omgpl
Since when was 2049 and Toy Story 4 good.
Since when was Blade Runner 2049 NOT amazing? 😂
Just go ahead and marry Deadpool and Wolverine already.
Bro please stop making videos about this shitty movie and get back to marvel content
He was never the joker