More of superheroine fatigue like the marvels, madame web, wasp, female thor, ww 1984, ms marvel, she hulk, gaya, supergirl, i can go on and on and on.🤫
The Batman 2022, Suicide Squad 2021, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3, Peacemaker, Venom Let there be carnage, The Boys, Invincible and there's still more
I've loved superheroes since I was 5 years old (probably before that, but I don't remember). That was 44 years ago. And I'm going to love'm for the next 44 years.
The problem is not the superhero genre itself, but bad writing, bad visual effects, bad marketing, political messaging, and scandals that made superhero movies like Captain Marvel, The Flash, and Ant Man 3 flop.
Human beings will always be attracted towards a compelling story. The word "fatigue" does not apply to good stories. Disney just hasn't been telling any good stories since No Way Home. Even this story is more of a Ryan Reynolds project than a Disney project
I think the problem is not the multiverse itself, as much as the way it has been handled. Multiverse stories were born, in comics at leats, as a way to explore individual and unique storylines through variation, such as earth 2, batman vs dracula, gotham by gaslight, etc. THe problem is that the core of these stories is not the multiversem but the individual universes. If you focus purely on the multiverse as a concept, you end up with a slideshow of stories without major emotional impact or investment, and you slowly stop caring about individual projects. It works for rick and morty, but not quite for these movies.
One problem was who they got to develop the Multiverse stories- former Rick and Morty writers, since that show had something similar.Feige thought he was being clever, but he found out otherwise, lol. So almost every film or show that was coming out with that angle (Loki, She Hulk, Ant Man 3, Strange 2) was written by at least one of them. He finally wised up and fired them, which was good since 2 were working on the next two Avenger movies.
I wouldn’t even call it “Superhero Fatigue”, cause it if it was then what are we gonna be tired of reading comics? T.V. Shows? Movies? What people also forget to add in that phase is Superhero “Movie” Fatigue, personally I’m not tired of watching superheroes movies. I’m just tired of mediocre superhero movies who can be able to please us fans and do something right about it. I’m happy that Deadpool & Wolverine is doing great, plus I’m hoping that next year, Superman and The Fantastic Four are gonna be the successful movies that I can hope will save the genre along with a couple more I forgot to mention.
Ahem, comics are different. You don't have to put $100 million+ dollars into creating them. People don't have to spend $20-40 dollars (Atleast in India where tickst and popcorn cost a bomb) to watch. You can buy around 4 comics at the price of 1 movie ticket. Plus, Comics have more variety and readers often switch from one comic to other and they read a variety of stories. On the contrary, in films, you barely have 2-3 different franchices, you have the erstwhile Fox and Sony movies, you have the MCU and the now-dead DCU. Not so much to pick from. There is a reason why a dark show on superheroes such as The Boys was such a hit on Amazon. They strayed away from the script and stuck to storytelling/
You might not be but the casuals are tired of it. The casuals are what made Marvel their money. Comic book movies are just not central to the zeitgeist in the way they were prior to 2020.
I'm a science nerd and fell in love with the multiverse phase of hero movies. That's why when I heard of superhero fatigue, I was straight confused. We just got here!
I'd say it's more of... awful quality fatigue. The only reason ppl are getting tired of superhero movies (as evident in recent numbers) is not because of superhero movies itself. It's because they're tired of atrocious quality and repetitive storytelling. And it looks like Marvel is only succeeding with nostalgia, as explained by the numbers made by No Way Home and Deadpool & Wolverine. GOTG 3, you can argue it was a success despite not reaching a billion. So let's just say they're only succeeding through characters ppl care abt and/or nostalgia. I asked my cousin once on my vacation in India "Do you watch Marvel movies still?" and his response was "I've stopped watching because after No Way Home, it got less interesting for me and I stopped watching because of how bad they've got". So that proves the point that ppl aren't tired of superheroes in general because as evident in some projects, ppl seem to watch them for nostalgia and characters ppl care about. So in conclusion, it is not that people are tired of superheroes. They're just tired of terrible quality.
Oh but you dont get it my friend, that wasnt made for us and we are evil for not liking it, and then when they fail, we are also bad because we didnt watch them a support them.
It’s not black characters. Black panther was an absolute hit. Cyborg and John Stewart are as well. It’s just shitty characters. There’s so many amazing black characters, and they’re overshadowed and overlooked because they try to fit in lesser known characters w bad writing mf
Not the issue here. The issue is bad boring poorly-made disappointing movies. Whether a piece of media has a liberal or conservative slant to it is of no interest to me. There's good/bad examples of both. Good art is universal.
4:39 hey woah woah woah I LOVED WAKANDA FOREVER. It was a beautiful tribute to Chadwick. And it made over 800 million so... I don't think the lead was a problem.
The fact that Kevin Feigie owns up to the fact that there has been a lack of quality in marvel project the last couple of years a while back and Chris gems worth taking accountability for love and thunder proves fatigue wasn’t real
I agree - notice how Strange 2, Wakanda 2, and Thor 4 made big bucks even though it was already clear things were imploding in the MCU. But many in the massive fan base were willing to keep going for "the next Marvel movie". But by the time the obviously poorly made Ant Man 3 came out, when even the media was shocked at the unfinished CGI, people were starting to wise up.
According to me, Ratan Tata exemplifies a successful entrepreneur, and the three most important qualities that contributed to his success are: 1. Vision: The ability to foresee opportunities and challenges. Ratan Tata’s vision allowed the Tata Group to expand globally. 2. Creativity: Thinking outside the box to develop innovative solutions. His creativity led to products like the Tata Nano, meeting market needs effectively. 3. Resilience: The capacity to recover from setbacks. Tata's resilience helped navigate the company through challenges, ensuring stability and growth. These qualities are essential for entrepreneurial success, as shown by Ratan Tata's leadership.
GotG 3 was so good. It may be my favorite MCU movie. I'm just gonna say it, all movies up until that point were prequels to tell Rocket's story. That's the real protagonist of the MCU.
It’s a mixture of oversaturation + mid movies get released so often on streaming that nobody is paying to see them in theaters. If they want to release these big budget films in theaters they need to either be excellent films that demand to be seen on the big screen (Dune, The Batman) or crowd pleasers (Spiderman / Deadpool)
It's fine to once in awhile make movies to smaller characters like ant-man, and guardians So long as the story is worth telling and competently told just don't blow the budget out of the water.
@@17.ketansurana8A and B list characters, not ones like Agatha and Echo who no one's ever heard of. When you have Spider-Man, the Avengers, the X-Men, the Fantastic Four, and Doctor Doom at your disposal why are you making movies and series about characters like the Eternals and Shang Chi?
@@KillerKingTy23iron man was never a or b list prior to 2008. You seem to forget that studios like Sony, Fox, Universal, etc. bought characters from marvel that they KNEW were profitable. The MCU was BUILT on unwanted (unimportant) remains, that's a FACT.
@@17.ketansurana8 gotg is a fair comparison but not Iron Man. He definitely wasn't an A Lister before the movies but almost all the core avengers were at least C level. Either way though, the more obscure characters who got movies in phases 1-3 were peppered out between good movies of well established characters. Meanwhile it's been the complete opposite with this phase, we haven't even had an Avengers movie in almost six years despite the fact that those movies were what really brought together the broader universe of characters and pushed the main narrative forward. There's been zero direction this time around, and I think it's pretty fair to complain about the severely underwhelming cast of characters when they have access to more now than they ever have in the past.
The ones that are doing well now have built an audience up. You are talking about Batman, Wolverine and Spider-man. These characters were making big bucks at the box office long before the Marvel craze of the 2010s. Doctor Strange 2 benefitted from Spider-man's success. Guardians 3 was the last bit of left over classic Marvel era movies. Now let's see a studio try and introduce a character. Blue Beetle. Madame Web. The appetite for superhero stuff has dropped off by quite a bit. It's undeniable. Let's see how James Gunn does. I think he and Warner Bros are playing with fire to be honest. Superman is a crap character and if any of the big classic characters can fail it would be him. It might be good and it might make money but it's not a slam dunk. As for doing a whole universe thing that's just a bad idea these days.
I have to admit I myself have a bit of superhero fatigue. I love superheroes but even the good movies fail to live up to my expectations, and I enjoy seeing other genres trending. It would be nice to see steampunk action/adventure films set in the Victorian era become mainstream. Films of that nature exist, but they occupy a niche and don't get the love and attention they deserve from the casual film goer. Regarding cultural superhero fatigue, we are far from that. It is more likely we are experiencing bad movie fatigue. However, if we keep having bad films like Ant-Man 3 or Joker 2 outnumbering films like Deadpool & Wolverine then yes we will quickly enter superhero fatigue.
The only reason this movie hit 1.3B because it’s Deadpool, and there Hugh Jackman returning for the role, that is why people are excited, the same can not be said for other superhero movies, anyone excited for the Thunderbolts and Captain America 4?
We’re not tired. We’re tired of cooperation handling superhero’s and villains that can’t crossover because of legal contracts and character owning and how much long they can be on screen for. It defeats the purpose of characters of interacting with one and other in comic book stories.
Im not tired of superheroes. Im tired of Marvel when its bringing out new stuff every month and all the projects suck. It just doesnt make you want to check out the stuff anymore
If you look at a majority of the MCU most of there movies were pretty 5 out of 10 or lower. Were there more bangers? Yeah but the second we started getting one every 2 months it was easy to see that.
Avengers 5 & 6 are going to suffer with all the crap being produced If you’ll notice, the top 3 highest earning movies of Post phase 3(Spider-Man: No Way Home, Dr Strange 2, and Deadpool & Wolverine) largely benefited from promoting themselves on non MCU elements crossing over. Overall interest in MCU movies that feature exclusively MCU elements and don’t have to resort to non-MCU elements for nostalgia sake has fallen low. Black Panther 2, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Thor 4, Ant-Man 3 & Captain Marvel 2 made less than their previous film. We already know Captain America 4 won’t make more than its previous film. Black Widow & Eternals flopped and while Shang Chi did average, we haven’t see the character since and by the time Doomsday rolls around 5 years would’ve passed. That time period isn’t enough to sustain interest like it did in Infinity Saga where lead characters appeared multiple times every 1-2 years Marvel must know how dire this is since they’ve become so desperate as to pay $80M cast RDJ as Dr Doom because there’s very little ongoing interest into it. If MCU were doing well there’s no way in hell would they have payed that much for an actor. Not even Johnathan Majors would’ve received that amount and he at least had build up. There’s no other major non-MCU selling factor for Doomsday to rely on and what it does have to rely on are the middling appeal of all these overpriced and underperforming Phase 4, 5, & 6 projects
Deadpool and wolverine was the most enjoyable film I’ve seen for years, I’d gotten sick of marvel stuff but this, I went 3 times to see it then bought it as soon as it came out to buy. And the penguin series is excellent so far.
Actually I'll say it does kind of exist for me personally. I mean, I was really big into all the superhero stuff several years ago. my wife and I even cosplayed as Captain America and Black widow and visited with children and stuff. but now, I look at all this and I go... okay, all right, it's enough already... give it a break. I honestly think superhero movies and especially freaking Batman need to be put on a shelf for 5 to 10 years
as others have stated., we're not tired of superheroes movies, its just that their haven't been many good ones lately...(aside from deadpool and wolverine) that it is causing apathy among the fans/moviegoers who watch them. We're exhausted because we go to these movies, hoping this one will be better than the last (this is MCU specific) and it just ends up being downright bad (thor love and thunder) or just mediocre (looking at you quantum mania). Or just has gone in such a weird direction where it should be good its off putting still...ie Multiverse of Madness. when I don't care to buy the bluray, that's a problem.
People want superhero movies that wow us, we’ve seen generic. Movies like Across the Spider Verse, Vol 3, No Way Home, and D&W gave us things he haven’t see before or something incredible. THE BEST SPIDER-MAN MOVIE (fight me), an actual conclusion to a trilogy, All reboots of a single character and their villains coming together, finally Wolverine being Wolverine with Deadpool finally interacting with the larger cannon.
The next avengers movies are gonna flop to if all of their new trash characters that failed in the comics and have been failing in live action are apart of them lol Disneys “All New All Different Marvel” has never worked and never will
Counter argument: before endgame even mediocre superhero movies were successful at the box office (iron man 2, thor 2,..) so there exists some form of superhero fatigue
Exactly. To say that a Batman movie does well doesn't mean much. It's Batman. Everyone knows Batman whether they read comics or not. Most of the people who watched those Marvel movies in their heyday have never read a comic book in their life. Try introducing some new character now and see how well it does. Try roping people in again with another connected storyline. Oh wait. They've tried and failed when they did that post 2020. The problem with these type of movies is that they are spectacle heavy and need to make an ungodly sum to make back their budget. 500 million at the box office isn't enough. That is their undoing. Horror movies are where it's at for profitability. Terrifier 3 was made for 2 million and it's already pulled in 18 in North America. Horror movies demand to be seen in theatres as well. That's why they never go out of style. The second the next big genre is discovered the studios will all jump on it and comic book movies will be few and far between.
Thor The Dark World that was actually about Thor was leagues better than Thor Love and Blunder that was about Chris Hemsworth being an unfunny bafoon and Jane Foster stealing his identity for no apparent reason and a ten year old irrelevant unfunny meme about screaming goats
Bad and mediocre movie fatigue has always been a thing. Make more Thor Ragnarok, Winter Soldier, Infinity War, The Dark Knight, Iron Man, Guardians of the Galaxy etc....
The reduction of projects per year has definitely helped I think. Marvel Studios only had 1 movie and had/will have 3-4 TV shows this year and 3 are cartoons. DC will have 3 projects this year 2 are TV shows one live action and one animated and 1 bad movie, that even DC and James Gunn had no involvement so really only 2. Looking ahead Marvel and DC have a good amount of stuff next year DC has only one movie next year and Marvel has more stuff but a good gap between stuff.
Madame Web was poorly written (written by the same writer for Morbius) Eternals and Shang Chi were released in the midst of the pandemic The Marvels is an unnecessary sequel just to satisfy DEI The Flash main actor had controversies (felony charges) prior to the film being finished Quantumania introduced a Thanos replacement which did not sell well to the fans Aquaman 2 flopped because of Amber Heard Wakanda Forever, No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness were not flops
The Marvels wasn't a bad movie, it was a movie for teen or preteen girls. But they don't like super hero movies as much as boys the same age. And Ms. Marvel is incredibly underrated, she is so much fun (that's a show worth watching)
But didn’t they literally change her power from her real powers? I will never watch it tbh regardless as why would i watch it anyways i would rather binge watch ultimate spiderman instead
Super hero fatigue doesnt exist, people simply dont want to see shit movies with unlikeable and uninteresting characters. Take for example Agatha all along, who was that made for? For them oney that took, we could have had Punisher and Daredevil fighting mobsters.
I don't watch movies on release- I go if I hear they're good. And I'll usually just wait until they're out on streaming unless they're really amazing. Put out something good and I'll go see it, you know?
People aren't tired of superhero, we're tired of BAD/MID superhero
literally
More of superheroine fatigue like the marvels, madame web, wasp, female thor, ww 1984, ms marvel, she hulk, gaya, supergirl, i can go on and on and on.🤫
Let this man cook!!!
And the terrible writing
more like bad writing
I have bad storytelling fatigue. That’s about it.
I have Mary sue fatigue
It's like saying that people are tired of a good storytelling. They are just to arrogant to admit that they are wrong.
I think the "Superhero fatigue" is a way to shift blame
"We don't make bad movies, people just stoped watching our movies"
Superhero fatigue: I exist...
Really? Loki, Deadpool and the Wolverine, X-Men 97, No Way Home, Across the Spider verse... And there's still more...
The Batman 2022, Suicide Squad 2021, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3, Peacemaker, Venom Let there be carnage, The Boys, Invincible and there's still more
@@Hallowpool193 blud tried sneaking in Venom 2 😭😭😭
But in all seriousness, the rest of the projects you mentioned are hella good
@@edsoncastillo7357 Ok buy it made enough money to get a third film for Venom meaning people saw it proving superhero fatigue doesn't exist
@@Hallowpool193 that is true, it wasn’t a financial flop like Morbius or Madame Web
You really tried to sneak in spider verse
I've loved superheroes since I was 5 years old (probably before that, but I don't remember). That was 44 years ago. And I'm going to love'm for the next 44 years.
FACTS😂
ITS WEBIN TIME
Indeed, it doesn't. I'm so burned out on the MCU's boring/bad projects. But I've LOVED Spiderverse 2, The Batman, and Deadpool & Wolverine.
The problem is not the superhero genre itself, but bad writing, bad visual effects, bad marketing, political messaging, and scandals that made superhero movies like Captain Marvel, The Flash, and Ant Man 3 flop.
2019 Joker was the first Rated R movie to make a Billion dollars
Deadpool & Wolverine:
That's the 2nd rated R movie to make a billion dollars
🐨🧠
Sonic is for babies
🐵
1.3 billion. While Joker 2 most likely won't even make 500.
Human beings will always be attracted towards a compelling story. The word "fatigue" does not apply to good stories. Disney just hasn't been telling any good stories since No Way Home. Even this story is more of a Ryan Reynolds project than a Disney project
Dude...I'd never get tired of superhero movies, no matter how bored I am
Seriously, I love them a lot
The multiverse aspect kills the movie quality that's why we are tired of it, and I hope Marvel and DC will focus on Quality over Quantity next year.
Agreed😢
I think the problem is not the multiverse itself, as much as the way it has been handled. Multiverse stories were born, in comics at leats, as a way to explore individual and unique storylines through variation, such as earth 2, batman vs dracula, gotham by gaslight, etc. THe problem is that the core of these stories is not the multiversem but the individual universes. If you focus purely on the multiverse as a concept, you end up with a slideshow of stories without major emotional impact or investment, and you slowly stop caring about individual projects. It works for rick and morty, but not quite for these movies.
One problem was who they got to develop the Multiverse stories- former Rick and Morty writers, since that show had something similar.Feige thought he was being clever, but he found out otherwise, lol. So almost every film or show that was coming out with that angle (Loki, She Hulk, Ant Man 3, Strange 2) was written by at least one of them. He finally wised up and fired them, which was good since 2 were working on the next two Avenger movies.
People are not tired of superheroes 😢 they are just tired of bad writing and direction 😢
Most people dont see a bad movie from a genre and say "Action fatigue, romance fatigue, horror fatigue"
4:01 Spiderman and Deadpool carried the phase 4
@@bhanu2418 what carried phase 5?
@@tigerlancer phase 5 not yet started buddy
I’m tired of secret agent stuff movies😂
What do you think about moving like captain America winter soldier ?
@@nihalbhamrah4726 good
The movies and shows about kids with powers are the worst. I'm looking at you Stranger Things.
I wouldn’t even call it “Superhero Fatigue”, cause it if it was then what are we gonna be tired of reading comics? T.V. Shows? Movies? What people also forget to add in that phase is Superhero “Movie” Fatigue, personally I’m not tired of watching superheroes movies. I’m just tired of mediocre superhero movies who can be able to please us fans and do something right about it. I’m happy that Deadpool & Wolverine is doing great, plus I’m hoping that next year, Superman and The Fantastic Four are gonna be the successful movies that I can hope will save the genre along with a couple more I forgot to mention.
Ahem, comics are different. You don't have to put $100 million+ dollars into creating them. People don't have to spend $20-40 dollars (Atleast in India where tickst and popcorn cost a bomb) to watch. You can buy around 4 comics at the price of 1 movie ticket. Plus, Comics have more variety and readers often switch from one comic to other and they read a variety of stories. On the contrary, in films, you barely have 2-3 different franchices, you have the erstwhile Fox and Sony movies, you have the MCU and the now-dead DCU. Not so much to pick from. There is a reason why a dark show on superheroes such as The Boys was such a hit on Amazon. They strayed away from the script and stuck to storytelling/
You might not be but the casuals are tired of it. The casuals are what made Marvel their money. Comic book movies are just not central to the zeitgeist in the way they were prior to 2020.
I'm a science nerd and fell in love with the multiverse phase of hero movies. That's why when I heard of superhero fatigue, I was straight confused. We just got here!
ScreenCrush talked about this same topic last year, perhaps you two should collab in the near future.
Thank you for this explanation my friend.
I don't consider it Superhero Fatigue, I call it bad writing and directing in the guise of a superhero movie that's having everyone burned out.
The other movies were bad but I loved the Flash and Michael Keaton Batman
We love our super heros. We dont love bad writing, bad acting, actors with over inflated egos, and the use of DEI put above all else.
Love this channel bro keep going with these amazing content ❤
Super Hero Fatigue Was Made by Bad Movie/Show Directors
And infiltration within the industry
The football example was fire
It exists to a certain extent. We just need better quality films
I'd say it's more of... awful quality fatigue. The only reason ppl are getting tired of superhero movies (as evident in recent numbers) is not because of superhero movies itself. It's because they're tired of atrocious quality and repetitive storytelling. And it looks like Marvel is only succeeding with nostalgia, as explained by the numbers made by No Way Home and Deadpool & Wolverine. GOTG 3, you can argue it was a success despite not reaching a billion. So let's just say they're only succeeding through characters ppl care abt and/or nostalgia. I asked my cousin once on my vacation in India "Do you watch Marvel movies still?" and his response was "I've stopped watching because after No Way Home, it got less interesting for me and I stopped watching because of how bad they've got". So that proves the point that ppl aren't tired of superheroes in general because as evident in some projects, ppl seem to watch them for nostalgia and characters ppl care about. So in conclusion, it is not that people are tired of superheroes. They're just tired of terrible quality.
James Cameron's most talked about interview is the one where he called out the Titan submersible for being a death trap.
The only fatigue that exists is the one regarding DEI and *_"The Message (tm)"_* .
Oh but you dont get it my friend, that wasnt made for us and we are evil for not liking it, and then when they fail, we are also bad because we didnt watch them a support them.
It’s not black characters. Black panther was an absolute hit. Cyborg and John Stewart are as well. It’s just shitty characters. There’s so many amazing black characters, and they’re overshadowed and overlooked because they try to fit in lesser known characters w bad writing mf
Not the issue here. The issue is bad boring poorly-made disappointing movies. Whether a piece of media has a liberal or conservative slant to it is of no interest to me. There's good/bad examples of both. Good art is universal.
@@RacingSnails64every DEI “the message” project is bad and poorly made that is the issue lol
We love superhero not superheroine trying to be a hero instead of being a great heroine thats the biggest problem i think they are doing
4:39 hey woah woah woah I LOVED WAKANDA FOREVER.
It was a beautiful tribute to Chadwick. And it made over 800 million so... I don't think the lead was a problem.
The fact that Kevin Feigie owns up to the fact that there has been a lack of quality in marvel project the last couple of years a while back and Chris gems worth taking accountability for love and thunder proves fatigue wasn’t real
Quality over Quantity is what all it needs for Marvel and DC to get back in track.
I agree - notice how Strange 2, Wakanda 2, and Thor 4 made big bucks even though it was already clear things were imploding in the MCU. But many in the massive fan base were willing to keep going for "the next Marvel movie". But by the time the obviously poorly made Ant Man 3 came out, when even the media was shocked at the unfinished CGI, people were starting to wise up.
According to me, Ratan Tata exemplifies a successful entrepreneur, and the three most important qualities that contributed to his success are:
1. Vision: The ability to foresee opportunities and challenges. Ratan Tata’s vision allowed the Tata Group to expand globally.
2. Creativity: Thinking outside the box to develop innovative solutions. His creativity led to products like the Tata Nano, meeting market needs effectively.
3. Resilience: The capacity to recover from setbacks. Tata's resilience helped navigate the company through challenges, ensuring stability and growth.
These qualities are essential for entrepreneurial success, as shown by Ratan Tata's leadership.
Guardians 3, being the best of the trilogy, is pretty subjective.
GotG 3 was so good. It may be my favorite MCU movie. I'm just gonna say it, all movies up until that point were prequels to tell Rocket's story. That's the real protagonist of the MCU.
Welp captain marvel was pretty bad. It's just nobody expected it to be so bad, that's why a lot of people watched it.
Storytelling is everything, put Heart and Passion in your films, the people will come.
People aren't Tired of Super Hero movies, We are Tired of being Lectured to about *D.E.I.*
At this point it's more terrible movie fatigue
It’s a mixture of oversaturation + mid movies get released so often on streaming that nobody is paying to see them in theaters.
If they want to release these big budget films in theaters they need to either be excellent films that demand to be seen on the big screen (Dune, The Batman) or crowd pleasers (Spiderman / Deadpool)
It's BAD MOVIE fatigue. It's also crap B- list and c-list characters no one cares about.
I’ve campy comedy fatigue 🤷🏽♂️
I just watched Deadpool and Wolverine today and it was amazing!
Just make good projects unlike (Joker 2 , The Marvels and Antman 3) to important characters unlike (Agatha , Echo and Madame web) and we will be there
It's fine to once in awhile make movies to smaller characters like ant-man, and guardians
So long as the story is worth telling and competently told just don't blow the budget out of the water.
@@shinkaiatsuya950antman1 and guardians 1 were goated movies
@@17.ketansurana8A and B list characters, not ones like Agatha and Echo who no one's ever heard of. When you have Spider-Man, the Avengers, the X-Men, the Fantastic Four, and Doctor Doom at your disposal why are you making movies and series about characters like the Eternals and Shang Chi?
@@KillerKingTy23iron man was never a or b list prior to 2008. You seem to forget that studios like Sony, Fox, Universal, etc. bought characters from marvel that they KNEW were profitable. The MCU was BUILT on unwanted (unimportant) remains, that's a FACT.
@@17.ketansurana8 gotg is a fair comparison but not Iron Man. He definitely wasn't an A Lister before the movies but almost all the core avengers were at least C level. Either way though, the more obscure characters who got movies in phases 1-3 were peppered out between good movies of well established characters. Meanwhile it's been the complete opposite with this phase, we haven't even had an Avengers movie in almost six years despite the fact that those movies were what really brought together the broader universe of characters and pushed the main narrative forward. There's been zero direction this time around, and I think it's pretty fair to complain about the severely underwhelming cast of characters when they have access to more now than they ever have in the past.
I think people only want to watch the more famous super heroes. They don’t really care about those 3rd rate heroes like eternals.
The ones that are doing well now have built an audience up. You are talking about Batman, Wolverine and Spider-man. These characters were making big bucks at the box office long before the Marvel craze of the 2010s. Doctor Strange 2 benefitted from Spider-man's success. Guardians 3 was the last bit of left over classic Marvel era movies. Now let's see a studio try and introduce a character. Blue Beetle. Madame Web. The appetite for superhero stuff has dropped off by quite a bit. It's undeniable. Let's see how James Gunn does. I think he and Warner Bros are playing with fire to be honest. Superman is a crap character and if any of the big classic characters can fail it would be him. It might be good and it might make money but it's not a slam dunk. As for doing a whole universe thing that's just a bad idea these days.
Ant Man and Thor already had big fan bases and those movies were absolute Disney garbage
Love these videos
I have to admit I myself have a bit of superhero fatigue. I love superheroes but even the good movies fail to live up to my expectations, and I enjoy seeing other genres trending. It would be nice to see steampunk action/adventure films set in the Victorian era become mainstream. Films of that nature exist, but they occupy a niche and don't get the love and attention they deserve from the casual film goer. Regarding cultural superhero fatigue, we are far from that. It is more likely we are experiencing bad movie fatigue. However, if we keep having bad films like Ant-Man 3 or Joker 2 outnumbering films like Deadpool & Wolverine then yes we will quickly enter superhero fatigue.
The only reason this movie hit 1.3B because it’s Deadpool, and there Hugh Jackman returning for the role, that is why people are excited, the same can not be said for other superhero movies, anyone excited for the Thunderbolts and Captain America 4?
Lots of people are for your information
@@Spyalwayswins Thunderbols and Captain America 4? yeah right
@@MaxBraver555 how have you not seen people being excited? Especially Thunderbolts! You just seeing one side and probably watch nerdriotic
@@Spyalwayswins comment section does not equal to actual people going to see the movie, because it doesn't cost you money to comment on trailers
We’re not tired. We’re tired of cooperation handling superhero’s and villains that can’t crossover because of legal contracts and character owning and how much long they can be on screen for. It defeats the purpose of characters of interacting with one and other in comic book stories.
Im not tired of superheroes. Im tired of Marvel when its bringing out new stuff every month and all the projects suck. It just doesnt make you want to check out the stuff anymore
If you look at a majority of the MCU most of there movies were pretty 5 out of 10 or lower. Were there more bangers? Yeah but the second we started getting one every 2 months it was easy to see that.
2:24 hey you leave my chidhood out of this...im sure this movie is why i like so bad its good movies. 😅
Your childhood is Catwoman 💀
Avengers 5 & 6 are going to suffer with all the crap being produced
If you’ll notice, the top 3 highest earning movies of Post phase 3(Spider-Man: No Way Home, Dr Strange 2, and Deadpool & Wolverine) largely benefited from promoting themselves on non MCU elements crossing over.
Overall interest in MCU movies that feature exclusively MCU elements and don’t have to resort to non-MCU elements for nostalgia sake has fallen low.
Black Panther 2, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Thor 4, Ant-Man 3 & Captain Marvel 2 made less than their previous film. We already know Captain America 4 won’t make more than its previous film.
Black Widow & Eternals flopped and while Shang Chi did average, we haven’t see the character since and by the time Doomsday rolls around 5 years would’ve passed. That time period isn’t enough to sustain interest like it did in Infinity Saga where lead characters appeared multiple times every 1-2 years
Marvel must know how dire this is since they’ve become so desperate as to pay $80M cast RDJ as Dr Doom because there’s very little ongoing interest into it. If MCU were doing well there’s no way in hell would they have payed that much for an actor. Not even Johnathan Majors would’ve received that amount and he at least had build up. There’s no other major non-MCU selling factor for Doomsday to rely on and what it does have to rely on are the middling appeal of all these overpriced and underperforming Phase 4, 5, & 6 projects
Shang chi was not a flop
Marvel isn't aware of "less is more". 3 Marvel movies a year was more than enough, we got excited about it. Now there is too much
There is superhero fatigue. People only watched deadpool cause of the cameos
Yeah it does. 2019 had THREE separate $1+ billion dollar MCU movies alone. That era is done.
Superhero fatigue does exist, I have Batman fatigue
That’s just one hero, though. You’re not tired of the genre itself
I feel like they are gonna call me in as a character witness for having seen Bruce's parents get killed so many times lol
YES SPEAK THE TRUTH 🗣️
8:51 I love the fact that most people have actually regarded fast and furious as a superhero movie because of how ridiculous it's gotten 😂
Yeah superheros are awesome and they don't get old so easily. It's bad writing fatigue that sucks.
1:25 Pictured: DC Extended Univers
Deadpool and wolverine was the most enjoyable film I’ve seen for years, I’d gotten sick of marvel stuff but this, I went 3 times to see it then bought it as soon as it came out to buy. And the penguin series is excellent so far.
Nice content man, keep it up!! Subscribed
Funny how the movies people aren't going to see and are "fatigued" by are only the bad superhero movies. 🤣
Actually I'll say it does kind of exist for me personally. I mean, I was really big into all the superhero stuff several years ago. my wife and I even cosplayed as Captain America and Black widow and visited with children and stuff. but now, I look at all this and I go... okay, all right, it's enough already... give it a break. I honestly think superhero movies and especially freaking Batman need to be put on a shelf for 5 to 10 years
yea its bad writing that kills not superhero fatigue
as others have stated., we're not tired of superheroes movies, its just that their haven't been many good ones lately...(aside from deadpool and wolverine) that it is causing apathy among the fans/moviegoers who watch them. We're exhausted because we go to these movies, hoping this one will be better than the last (this is MCU specific) and it just ends up being downright bad (thor love and thunder) or just mediocre (looking at you quantum mania). Or just has gone in such a weird direction where it should be good its off putting still...ie Multiverse of Madness.
when I don't care to buy the bluray, that's a problem.
I loved Shang-chi since it seemed it was like a fish out of water story
People want superhero movies that wow us, we’ve seen generic. Movies like Across the Spider Verse, Vol 3, No Way Home, and D&W gave us things he haven’t see before or something incredible. THE BEST SPIDER-MAN MOVIE (fight me), an actual conclusion to a trilogy, All reboots of a single character and their villains coming together, finally Wolverine being Wolverine with Deadpool finally interacting with the larger cannon.
Ah yes *"maDAMN web."*
You know what also going to do well, The batman part 2, Spiderverse 3, Spider man 4, Avengers doomdays and Avengers Secrat war
The next avengers movies are gonna flop to if all of their new trash characters that failed in the comics and have been failing in live action are apart of them lol Disneys “All New All Different Marvel” has never worked and never will
This is clear Nostalgia bait which is worse than Superhero fatigue.
Nope, but haters do, unfortunately 😑 And strikes, and crime charges, and controversy, and politics.
Counter argument: before endgame even mediocre superhero movies were successful at the box office (iron man 2, thor 2,..) so there exists some form of superhero fatigue
Exactly. To say that a Batman movie does well doesn't mean much. It's Batman. Everyone knows Batman whether they read comics or not. Most of the people who watched those Marvel movies in their heyday have never read a comic book in their life. Try introducing some new character now and see how well it does. Try roping people in again with another connected storyline. Oh wait. They've tried and failed when they did that post 2020. The problem with these type of movies is that they are spectacle heavy and need to make an ungodly sum to make back their budget. 500 million at the box office isn't enough. That is their undoing. Horror movies are where it's at for profitability. Terrifier 3 was made for 2 million and it's already pulled in 18 in North America. Horror movies demand to be seen in theatres as well. That's why they never go out of style. The second the next big genre is discovered the studios will all jump on it and comic book movies will be few and far between.
Iron Man 2 and Thor 2 were and are 10 times better than every single marvel movie since 2019 other than NWH, GOTG3, and D&W
Thor The Dark World that was actually about Thor was leagues better than Thor Love and Blunder that was about Chris Hemsworth being an unfunny bafoon and Jane Foster stealing his identity for no apparent reason and a ten year old irrelevant unfunny meme about screaming goats
Bad and mediocre movie fatigue has always been a thing. Make more Thor Ragnarok, Winter Soldier, Infinity War, The Dark Knight, Iron Man, Guardians of the Galaxy etc....
There is no superhero fatigue
Its all about the actors popularity. We go to the movies to watch them.
No we don’t.
We miss you all star Superman
The reduction of projects per year has definitely helped I think. Marvel Studios only had 1 movie and had/will have 3-4 TV shows this year and 3 are cartoons. DC will have 3 projects this year 2 are TV shows one live action and one animated and 1 bad movie, that even DC and James Gunn had no involvement so really only 2. Looking ahead Marvel and DC have a good amount of stuff next year DC has only one movie next year and Marvel has more stuff but a good gap between stuff.
No live-action DC TV show is being released this year, though.
its not "superhero" fatigue, it's "bad movie" fatigue
More like bad writing fatigue
Madame Web was poorly written (written by the same writer for Morbius)
Eternals and Shang Chi were released in the midst of the pandemic
The Marvels is an unnecessary sequel just to satisfy DEI
The Flash main actor had controversies (felony charges) prior to the film being finished
Quantumania introduced a Thanos replacement which did not sell well to the fans
Aquaman 2 flopped because of Amber Heard
Wakanda Forever, No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness were not flops
There is no superhero fatigue there's only mediocre fatigue
Agreed
Shang chi was peak i stand on that
Black adam also made low money
Under a hour
The Marvels wasn't a bad movie, it was a movie for teen or preteen girls. But they don't like super hero movies as much as boys the same age. And Ms. Marvel is incredibly underrated, she is so much fun (that's a show worth watching)
But didn’t they literally change her power from her real powers? I will never watch it tbh regardless as why would i watch it anyways i would rather binge watch ultimate spiderman instead
Black Widow and Scarlet Witch were in movies made for everyone. I heard that over half tickets to Marvels were men.
The marvels was a pretty good movie and if it was led by 3 men it would have been liked way more.
Actually 2020 gave us the movie x men new mutants from the fox marvel universe which was a horror film in the world of the x men
We aren't tired of [insert franchise here], we are tired of mid/bad movies
Same with star wars
Same with The Mcu
Same with the Dceu
ישראלים, האם עוד מישהו ראה שהתמונה שהוא שם ב4:28 של שאנג צ'י ואגדת עשר הטבעות היא בעברית ולא באנגלית
Super hero fatigue doesnt exist, people simply dont want to see shit movies with unlikeable and uninteresting characters.
Take for example Agatha all along, who was that made for?
For them oney that took, we could have had Punisher and Daredevil fighting mobsters.
I don't watch movies on release- I go if I hear they're good. And I'll usually just wait until they're out on streaming unless they're really amazing. Put out something good and I'll go see it, you know?